APPLYING WESTERN ASPECTS,PROGRESSION IN KP

September 10, 2009

R/s Sir,

As I have already said that the authors or the eminent astrologers sometimes, when they had no signification of the concerned bhavas i.e. primary and secondary bhavas, but the event was at that time already happened, then what would be the cause of happening the event, and thus they would have checked and they found that Ketu/rahu was having aspect to concerned prime bhava and they have taken. In general rule, it is not supposed to take always aspects of Rahu and Ketu.

But in specific manner if any planet is having approx.120degrees and 210 degrees distance from any cusp/other planet, then this accurate aspect will give the results. As Krishnamurtiji had also solved many exaples. Shri KSK has also advise us to use progression for confirmation of the things. It has been given in Predictive Stellar Astrology Third Reader. As KSK has added that what the answer comes that must be corelated to other systems i.e. Progression, and other theories alike. All other theories are complementary. And due to the grace of God, they will never fail. KSK wanted to publish the book on progression in respect to KP, but due to his death that work could not materialised. K. Hariharin, son of KSK has writtenso many books in KP and in some of the articles, he used progression method i.e. YEAR A DAY METHOD. As in western astrology, planets in kendra yoga, Shadashtak yoga are considered evil. But the yoga must be correct. i.e. applying aspects and separating aspect.

In my opinion, all the systems including Progression, must be tried by every KP astrologer and then only come to the conclusion. Then the accuracy of the things and also the authenticity of the predictions will increased. Not only this, but we should go a step forward and include new celestial bodies i.e. juno, cerus, etc. which have been used in Magiastrology, where they consider heliocentric planetory setups and as per applying and separating aspects of the planet and to the cusp,

Here I am to point out that whatever the Ayanamashs anyone selects for casting horoscope the difference from a planet to other planets will not vary. It will be the same in all ayanamshas. And this angles in the planets will definately give results. But we have to know it in very scientific manner. This is the main reason why all different methods of astrology, their planetory longitudes are totally different from other systems, yet they predict the things upto 100%. For ex. Raman Ayanamsha, Chitra Paksha Ayanamash, in Western astrology they dont take Ayanamsha i.e. 0 ayanamasha. But their results are correct in certain cases. It is to be taken into consideration.

We should not close our minds to the new things that may help in enriching KP. This is not I am saying but it is the Saying of Shri KSK.

New KP learners are advised to visit "www.magiastrology.com" and download so many examples with their philosophy of Western Astrology which general readers are not aware of in depth. There are LEARNERS' COURSE ALSO with free download of books in pdf format. They consider these aspects as compared to natal horoscope as well as progressed horoscope and also transit. As also, what we presume is Sun is at the centre. But this is not the case. So whether there isneed to take Heliocentric astrology to reach the correct predictions? Stalwarts in astronomy may guide us.

With regards,

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur

Cell No. +91 9422582853/9673746303

meet me at : astrophysics

On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:53:51 +0530 wrote

>

Dear Vijayanand Patil ji,

Thanks. Here to make it clear whether the author means to consider Rahu/Ketu's aspects or not.

Regards,

tw

, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:

>

> Respected TWJi

> I will translate all said in the forum as I am having speed in Marathi/Hindi/English Typewriting @ 100 w.p.m. and I have already translated all the KP material in English including Astrosecrets 1, 2, Further lights on Nakshatra Chintamani, Transit by KSK.

> Yours

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur 416 008

> Cell No. +91 9693746303/+91 9422582853

> Visit me at : physics

>

> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:02:34 +0530 wrote

> >

>

> Dear Friends,

> 1. Could someone kindly translate what is siad here into Forum's language of English to be understandable for all.

> 2. Another thing that it is obliged to give the reference if quoted, otherwise it looks like misuse of one's name.

> Thanks and regards,

> tw

>

> , "SONALI.ME.2009" wrote:

> >

> > The point under discussion is not whether Hasbe Guruji used aspects of Rahu

> > and Ketu but whether Shri Shahasane used those aspects.

> > Also, Sonaliji and Sujatji have written that they have come across the use

> > of such aspects by Shri Shahasane in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish

> > Rahasya'; whereas I have been saying that I have been referring to that book

> > for several years and I have not come across a single instance, not even a

> > passing reference, where Shri Shahasane has used aspects of Rahu and Ketu in

> > that particular book.

> > I have requested both, Sonaliji and Sujatji to quote page number and topic

> > where Shri Shahasane has used such aspects and I am awaiting their reply. If

> > they cannot come up with that reference then that means that Shri Shahasane

> > has not used aspects of Rahu and Ketu.

> >

> > KRISHNAMURTHY JYOTISH RAHASYA VOL I-PAGE 175-COLUMN (5)-HEADING-BHAV PAR

> > DRUSHTI RAKHNE WALA GRUH,

> >

> > ROW 2- MANGAL,SHANI,RAHU

> >

> > ROW 8- KETU

> >

> > THIS ALL IS GIVEN UNDER THE HEADING - BHAVO KE KARYESH GRUH( SIG OF EACH

> > HOUSE)-BASIC CONCEPTS.

> >

> > JUST ONE OF THE EXAMPLE TO QUOTE.

> >

> > HAVE U READ THIS HEADING???

> >

> > Thanks Regards,

> >

> > Sonali

> >

> > On

> > Behalf Of sujatkaram

> > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:17 PM

> >

> > Re: MAHADASHA NOT YILEDING DESIRED RESULTS

> >

> > Respected Mr.Sandeep,

> > Sir,

> > Some of my books are at Dapoli and some at Kalyan. At present I am at Kalyan

> > and have to remain here for about a month or so. Unfortunately the book in

> > question is at Dapoli. Therefore I am unable to furnish any reference now.

> > regards,

> > sujatkaram.

> > , sandeep patel

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunilji,

> > > The point under discussion is not whether Hasbe Guruji used aspects of

> > Rahu and Ketu but whether Shri Shahasane used those aspects.

> > > Also, Sonaliji and Sujatji have written that they have come across the use

> > of such aspects by Shri Shahasane in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish

> > Rahasya'; whereas I have been saying that I have been referring to that book

> > for several years and I have not come across a single instance, not even a

> > passing reference, where Shri Shahasane has used aspects of Rahu and Ketu in

> > that particular book.

> > > I have requested both, Sonaliji and Sujatji to quote page number and topic

> > where Shri Shahasane has used such aspects and I am awaiting their reply. If

> > they cannot come up with that reference then that means that Shri Shahasane

> > has not used aspects of Rahu and Ketu.

> > > As you have so rightly pointed out, Shri Shahasane learned KP from Hasbe

> > Guruji but at the same time he was constantly reading and re-reading the KP

> > readers in the initial years and he has mentioned this fact a number of

> > times in various fora. And it is from these KP Readers that he drew the

> > most.

> > > If you have come across such an instance where Shri Shahasane has used

> > aspects of Rahu and Ketu in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya' I would

> > appreciate if you can let the members know.

> > > Aspects of Rahu and Ketu are not KP as pointed out by Shri Tinwinji and I

> > am certain Shri Shahasane has never used them.

> > > Regards,

> > > Sandeep

> > >

> >

>

September 10, 2009

Dear Patilji,

You have rightly said that all astrologers should have a clear cut idea about the Heleocentic solar system. Although the Geocentric one is the primary one as we visualise all planets going around us, Heleocentricity is the truth. The knowledge of heleocentric system will no doubt help us in many ways if we learn how to apply. Knowledge on Heleocentric System is a must and prediction basing on Geocentric System is mandatory with assistance of heleocentricity. This is my personal view.

Dr. Rath

VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand Cc: tw853; rathlutherSent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:10:56 AM APPLYING WESTERN ASPECTS,PROGRESSION IN KP

R/s Sir,As I have already said that the authors or the eminent astrologers sometimes, when they had no signification of the concerned bhavas i.e. primary and secondary bhavas, but the event was at that time already happened, then what would be the cause of happening the event, and thus they would have checked and they found that Ketu/rahu was having aspect to concerned prime bhava and they have taken. In general rule, it is not supposed to take always aspects of Rahu and Ketu. But in specific manner if any planet is having approx.120degrees and 210 degrees distance from any cusp/other planet, then this accurate aspect will give the results. As Krishnamurtiji had also solved many exaples. Shri KSK has also advise us to use progression for confirmation of the things. It has been given in Predictive Stellar Astrology Third Reader. As KSK has added that what the answer comes that must be corelated to other systems i.e. Progression, and other

theories alike. All other theories are complementary. And due to the grace of God, they will never fail. KSK wanted to publish the book on progression in respect to KP, but due to his death that work could not materialised. K. Hariharin, son of KSK has writtenso many books in KP and in some of the articles, he used progression method i.e. YEAR A DAY METHOD. As in western astrology, planets in kendra yoga, Shadashtak yoga are considered evil. But the yoga must be correct. i.e. applying aspects and separating aspect. In my opinion, all the systems including Progression, must be tried by every KP astrologer and then only come to the conclusion. Then the accuracy of the things and also the authenticity of the predictions will increased. Not only this, but we should go a step forward and include new celestial bodies i.e. juno, cerus, etc. which have been used in Magiastrology, where they consider heliocentric planetory setups and as per applying and

separating aspects of the planet and to the cusp, Here I am to point out that whatever the Ayanamashs anyone selects for casting horoscope the difference from a planet to other planets will not vary. It will be the same in all ayanamshas. And this angles in the planets will definately give results. But we have to know it in very scientific manner. This is the main reason why all different methods of astrology, their planetory longitudes are totally different from other systems, yet they predict the things upto 100%. For ex. Raman Ayanamsha, Chitra Paksha Ayanamash, in Western astrology they dont take Ayanamsha i.e. 0 ayanamasha. But their results are correct in certain cases. It is to be taken into consideration.We should not close our minds to the new things that may help in enriching KP. This is not I am saying but it is the Saying of Shri KSK. New KP learners are advised to visit "www.magiastrology. com" and download so many examples with

their philosophy of Western Astrology which general readers are not aware of in depth. There are LEARNERS' COURSE ALSO with free download of books in pdf format. They consider these aspects as compared to natal horoscope as well as progressed horoscope and also transit. As also, what we presume is Sun is at the centre. But this is not the case. So whether there isneed to take Heliocentric astrology to reach the correct predictions? Stalwarts in astronomy may guide us. With regards,Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurCell No. +91 9422582853/96737463 03meet me at : astrophysics@ . co.inOn Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:53:51 +0530 wrote>Dear Vijayanand Patil ji,Thanks. Here to make it clear whether the author means to consider Rahu/Ketu's aspects or not.Regards,tw@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:>> > Respected TWJi> I will

translate all said in the forum as I am having speed in Marathi/Hindi/ English Typewriting @ 100 w.p.m. and I have already translated all the KP material in English including Astrosecrets 1, 2, Further lights on Nakshatra Chintamani, Transit by KSK. > Yours> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur 416 008> Cell No. +91 9693746303/+ 91 9422582853> Visit me at : physics@ ...> > On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:02:34 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> 1. Could someone kindly translate what is siad here into Forum's language of English to be understandable for all.> 2. Another thing that it is obliged to give the reference if quoted, otherwise it looks like misuse of one's name.> Thanks and regards,> tw> > @gro ups.com,

"SONALI.ME.2009" wrote:> >> > The point under discussion is not whether Hasbe Guruji used aspects of Rahu> > and Ketu but whether Shri Shahasane used those aspects.> > Also, Sonaliji and Sujatji have written that they have come across the use> > of such aspects by Shri Shahasane in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish> > Rahasya'; whereas I have been saying that I have been referring to that book> > for several years and I have not come across a single instance, not even a> > passing reference, where Shri Shahasane has used aspects of Rahu and Ketu in> > that particular book.> > I have requested both, Sonaliji and Sujatji to quote page number and topic> > where Shri Shahasane has used such aspects and I am awaiting their reply. If> > they cannot come up with that reference then that means that Shri Shahasane> > has not used aspects

of Rahu and Ketu.> > > > > > > > KRISHNAMURTHY JYOTISH RAHASYA VOL I-PAGE 175-COLUMN (5)-HEADING- BHAV PAR> > DRUSHTI RAKHNE WALA GRUH,> > > > ROW 2- MANGAL,SHANI, RAHU > > > > ROW 8- KETU> > > > > > THIS ALL IS GIVEN UNDER THE HEADING - BHAVO KE KARYESH GRUH( SIG OF EACH> > HOUSE)-BASIC CONCEPTS.> > > > JUST ONE OF THE EXAMPLE TO QUOTE.> > > > HAVE U READ THIS HEADING???> > > > Thanks Regards,> > > > Sonali> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On> > Behalf Of sujatkaram> > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:17 PM> > @gro ups.com> > Re: MAHADASHA NOT YILEDING DESIRED

RESULTS> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mr.Sandeep,> > Sir,> > Some of my books are at Dapoli and some at Kalyan. At present I am at Kalyan> > and have to remain here for about a month or so. Unfortunately the book in> > question is at Dapoli. Therefore I am unable to furnish any reference now.> > regards,> > sujatkaram. @gro ups.com> > , sandeep patel > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunilji,> > > The point under discussion is not whether Hasbe Guruji used aspects of> > Rahu and Ketu but whether Shri Shahasane used those aspects.> > > Also, Sonaliji and Sujatji have written that they have come across the use> > of such aspects by Shri Shahasane in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish> > Rahasya'; whereas I have been saying

that I have been referring to that book> > for several years and I have not come across a single instance, not even a> > passing reference, where Shri Shahasane has used aspects of Rahu and Ketu in> > that particular book.> > > I have requested both, Sonaliji and Sujatji to quote page number and topic> > where Shri Shahasane has used such aspects and I am awaiting their reply. If> > they cannot come up with that reference then that means that Shri Shahasane> > has not used aspects of Rahu and Ketu.> > > As you have so rightly pointed out, Shri Shahasane learned KP from Hasbe> > Guruji but at the same time he was constantly reading and re-reading the KP> > readers in the initial years and he has mentioned this fact a number of> > times in various fora. And it is from these KP Readers that he drew the> > most.> > > If

you have come across such an instance where Shri Shahasane has used> > aspects of Rahu and Ketu in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya' I would> > appreciate if you can let the members know.> > > Aspects of Rahu and Ketu are not KP as pointed out by Shri Tinwinji and I> > am certain Shri Shahasane has never used them.> > > Regards,> > > Sandeep> > >> >>

September 11, 2009

Dear Friends,

1. Could someone kindly explain what Lajmi ji asked as below:

/message/5770

2. What would be the specific reasons and benefits for KP to learn the

Heleocentic system?

Thanks and regards,

tw

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Dear Patilji,

> You have rightly said that all astrologers should have a clear cut idea about

the Heleocentic solar system. Although the Geocentric one is the primary one as

we visualise all planets going around us, Heleocentricity is the truth. The

knowledge of heleocentric system will no doubt help us in many ways if we learn

how to apply. Knowledge on Heleocentric System is a must and prediction basing

on Geocentric System is mandatory with assistance of heleocentricity. This is my

personal view.

> Dr. Rath

>

> ________________________________

> VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand

>

> Cc: tw853; rathluther

> Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:10:56 AM

> APPLYING WESTERN ASPECTS,PROGRESSION IN KP

>

> R/s Sir,

> As I have already said that the authors or the eminent astrologers sometimes,

when they had no signification of the concerned bhavas i.e. primary and

secondary bhavas, but the event was at that time already happened, then what

would be the cause of happening the event, and thus they would have checked and

they found that Ketu/rahu was having aspect to concerned prime bhava and they

have taken. In general rule, it is not supposed to take always aspects of Rahu

and Ketu.

> But in specific manner if any planet is having approx.120degrees and 210

degrees distance from any cusp/other planet, then this accurate aspect will give

the results. As Krishnamurtiji had also solved many exaples. Shri KSK has also

advise us to use progression for confirmation of the things. It has been given

in Predictive Stellar Astrology Third Reader. As KSK has added that what the

answer comes that must be corelated to other systems i.e. Progression, and other

theories alike. All other theories are complementary. And due to the grace of

God, they will never fail. KSK wanted to publish the book on progression in

respect to KP, but due to his death that work could not materialised. K.

Hariharin, son of KSK has writtenso many books in KP and in some of the

articles, he used progression method i.e. YEAR A DAY METHOD. As in western

astrology, planets in kendra yoga, Shadashtak yoga are considered evil. But the

yoga must be correct. i.e. applying aspects

> and separating aspect.

> In my opinion, all the systems including Progression, must be tried by every

KP astrologer and then only come to the conclusion. Then the accuracy of the

things and also the authenticity of the predictions will increased. Not only

this, but we should go a step forward and include new celestial bodies i.e.

juno, cerus, etc. which have been used in Magiastrology, where they consider

heliocentric planetory setups and as per applying and separating aspects of the

planet and to the cusp,

> Here I am to point out that whatever the Ayanamashs anyone selects for casting

horoscope the difference from a planet to other planets will not vary. It will

be the same in all ayanamshas. And this angles in the planets will definately

give results. But we have to know it in very scientific manner. This is the main

reason why all different methods of astrology, their planetory longitudes are

totally different from other systems, yet they predict the things upto 100%. For

ex. Raman Ayanamsha, Chitra Paksha Ayanamash, in Western astrology they dont

take Ayanamsha i.e. 0 ayanamasha. But their results are correct in certain

cases. It is to be taken into consideration.

> We should not close our minds to the new things that may help in enriching KP.

This is not I am saying but it is the Saying of Shri KSK.

> New KP learners are advised to visit " www.magiastrology. com " and download so

many examples with their philosophy of Western Astrology which general readers

are not aware of in depth. There are LEARNERS' COURSE ALSO with free download of

books in pdf format. They consider these aspects as compared to natal horoscope

as well as progressed horoscope and also transit. As also, what we presume is

Sun is at the centre. But this is not the case. So whether there isneed to take

Heliocentric astrology to reach the correct predictions? Stalwarts in astronomy

may guide us.

> With regards,

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/96737463 03

> meet me at : astrophysics@ . co.in

> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:53:51 +0530 wrote

> >

> Dear Vijayanand Patil ji,

>

> Thanks. Here to make it clear whether the author means to consider Rahu/Ketu's

aspects or not.

>

> Regards,

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:

> >

> > Respected TWJi

> > I will translate all said in the forum as I am having speed in

Marathi/Hindi/ English Typewriting @ 100 w.p.m. and I have already translated

all the KP material in English including Astrosecrets 1, 2, Further lights on

Nakshatra Chintamani, Transit by KSK.

> > Yours

> > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for

Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur 416 008

> > Cell No. +91 9693746303/+ 91 9422582853

> > Visit me at : physics@ ...

> >

> > On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:02:34 +0530 wrote

> > >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > 1. Could someone kindly translate what is siad here into Forum's language of

English to be understandable for all.

> > 2. Another thing that it is obliged to give the reference if quoted,

otherwise it looks like misuse of one's name.

> > Thanks and regards,

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " SONALI.ME.2009 " wrote:

> > >

> > > The point under discussion is not whether Hasbe Guruji used aspects of

Rahu

> > > and Ketu but whether Shri Shahasane used those aspects.

> > > Also, Sonaliji and Sujatji have written that they have come across the use

> > > of such aspects by Shri Shahasane in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish

> > > Rahasya'; whereas I have been saying that I have been referring to that

book

> > > for several years and I have not come across a single instance, not even a

> > > passing reference, where Shri Shahasane has used aspects of Rahu and Ketu

in

> > > that particular book.

> > > I have requested both, Sonaliji and Sujatji to quote page number and topic

> > > where Shri Shahasane has used such aspects and I am awaiting their reply.

If

> > > they cannot come up with that reference then that means that Shri

Shahasane

> > > has not used aspects of Rahu and Ketu.

> > >

> > > KRISHNAMURTHY JYOTISH RAHASYA VOL I-PAGE 175-COLUMN (5)-HEADING- BHAV PAR

> > > DRUSHTI RAKHNE WALA GRUH,

> > >

> > > ROW 2- MANGAL,SHANI, RAHU

> > >

> > > ROW 8- KETU

> > >

> > > THIS ALL IS GIVEN UNDER THE HEADING - BHAVO KE KARYESH GRUH( SIG OF EACH

> > > HOUSE)-BASIC CONCEPTS.

> > >

> > > JUST ONE OF THE EXAMPLE TO QUOTE.

> > >

> > > HAVE U READ THIS HEADING???

> > >

> > > Thanks Regards,

> > >

> > > Sonali

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On

> > > Behalf Of sujatkaram

> > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:17 PM

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Re: MAHADASHA NOT YILEDING DESIRED RESULTS

> > >

> > > Respected Mr.Sandeep,

> > > Sir,

> > > Some of my books are at Dapoli and some at Kalyan. At present I am at

Kalyan

> > > and have to remain here for about a month or so. Unfortunately the book in

> > > question is at Dapoli. Therefore I am unable to furnish any reference now.

> > > regards,

> > > sujatkaram. @gro ups.com

> > > , sandeep patel

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunilji,

> > > > The point under discussion is not whether Hasbe Guruji used aspects of

> > > Rahu and Ketu but whether Shri Shahasane used those aspects.

> > > > Also, Sonaliji and Sujatji have written that they have come across the

use

> > > of such aspects by Shri Shahasane in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish

> > > Rahasya'; whereas I have been saying that I have been referring to that

book

> > > for several years and I have not come across a single instance, not even a

> > > passing reference, where Shri Shahasane has used aspects of Rahu and Ketu

in

> > > that particular book.

> > > > I have requested both, Sonaliji and Sujatji to quote page number and

topic

> > > where Shri Shahasane has used such aspects and I am awaiting their reply.

If

> > > they cannot come up with that reference then that means that Shri

Shahasane

> > > has not used aspects of Rahu and Ketu.

> > > > As you have so rightly pointed out, Shri Shahasane learned KP from Hasbe

> > > Guruji but at the same time he was constantly reading and re-reading the

KP

> > > readers in the initial years and he has mentioned this fact a number of

> > > times in various fora. And it is from these KP Readers that he drew the

> > > most.

> > > > If you have come across such an instance where Shri Shahasane has used

> > > aspects of Rahu and Ketu in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya' I

would

> > > appreciate if you can let the members know.

> > > > Aspects of Rahu and Ketu are not KP as pointed out by Shri Tinwinji and

I

> > > am certain Shri Shahasane has never used them.

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Sandeep

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 11, 2009

Because Heliocentricity is the Truth. Geocentricity is apparent. No loss in learning the Truth.

Dr. Rath

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:08:08 AM Re: APPLYING WESTERN ASPECTS,PROGRESSION IN KP

Dear Friends,1. Could someone kindly explain what Lajmi ji asked as below:http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 57702. What would be the specific reasons and benefits for KP to learn the Heleocentic system?Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Patilji,> You have rightly said that all astrologers should have a clear cut idea about the Heleocentic solar system. Although the Geocentric one is the primary one as we visualise all planets going around us, Heleocentricity is the truth. The knowledge of heleocentric system will no doubt help us in many ways if we learn how to apply. Knowledge on Heleocentric System

is a must and prediction basing on Geocentric System is mandatory with assistance of heleocentricity. This is my personal view.> Dr. Rath> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Cc: tw853; rathluther@. ..> Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:10:56 AM> APPLYING WESTERN ASPECTS,PROGRESSION IN KP> > > R/s Sir,> As I have already said that the authors or the eminent astrologers sometimes, when they had no signification of the concerned bhavas i.e. primary and secondary bhavas, but the event was at that time already happened, then what would be the cause of happening the event, and thus they would

have checked and they found that Ketu/rahu was having aspect to concerned prime bhava and they have taken. In general rule, it is not supposed to take always aspects of Rahu and Ketu. > But in specific manner if any planet is having approx.120degrees and 210 degrees distance from any cusp/other planet, then this accurate aspect will give the results. As Krishnamurtiji had also solved many exaples. Shri KSK has also advise us to use progression for confirmation of the things. It has been given in Predictive Stellar Astrology Third Reader. As KSK has added that what the answer comes that must be corelated to other systems i.e. Progression, and other theories alike. All other theories are complementary. And due to the grace of God, they will never fail. KSK wanted to publish the book on progression in respect to KP, but due to his death that work could not materialised. K. Hariharin, son of KSK has writtenso many books in KP and in some of the

articles, he used progression method i.e. YEAR A DAY METHOD. As in western astrology, planets in kendra yoga, Shadashtak yoga are considered evil. But the yoga must be correct. i.e. applying aspects> and separating aspect. > In my opinion, all the systems including Progression, must be tried by every KP astrologer and then only come to the conclusion. Then the accuracy of the things and also the authenticity of the predictions will increased. Not only this, but we should go a step forward and include new celestial bodies i.e. juno, cerus, etc. which have been used in Magiastrology, where they consider heliocentric planetory setups and as per applying and separating aspects of the planet and to the cusp, > Here I am to point out that whatever the Ayanamashs anyone selects for casting horoscope the difference from a planet to other planets will not vary. It will be the same in all ayanamshas. And this angles in the planets will

definately give results. But we have to know it in very scientific manner. This is the main reason why all different methods of astrology, their planetory longitudes are totally different from other systems, yet they predict the things upto 100%. For ex. Raman Ayanamsha, Chitra Paksha Ayanamash, in Western astrology they dont take Ayanamsha i.e. 0 ayanamasha. But their results are correct in certain cases. It is to be taken into consideration.> We should not close our minds to the new things that may help in enriching KP. This is not I am saying but it is the Saying of Shri KSK. > New KP learners are advised to visit "www.magiastrology. com" and download so many examples with their philosophy of Western Astrology which general readers are not aware of in depth. There are LEARNERS' COURSE ALSO with free download of books in pdf format. They consider these aspects as compared to natal horoscope as well as progressed horoscope and also

transit. As also, what we presume is Sun is at the centre. But this is not the case. So whether there isneed to take Heliocentric astrology to reach the correct predictions? Stalwarts in astronomy may guide us. > With regards,> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur> Cell No. +91 9422582853/96737463 03> meet me at : astrophysics@ . co.in> On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:53:51 +0530 wrote> >> Dear Vijayanand Patil ji,> > Thanks. Here to make it clear whether the author means to consider Rahu/Ketu's aspects or not.> > Regards,> tw> > @gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:> >> > > > Respected TWJi> > I will translate all said in the forum as I am having speed in Marathi/Hindi/ English Typewriting

@ 100 w.p.m. and I have already translated all the KP material in English including Astrosecrets 1, 2, Further lights on Nakshatra Chintamani, Transit by KSK. > > Yours> > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur 416 008> > Cell No. +91 9693746303/+ 91 9422582853> > Visit me at : physics@ ...> > > > On Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:02:34 +0530 wrote> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > 1. Could someone kindly translate what is siad here into Forum's language of English to be understandable for all.> > 2. Another thing that it is obliged to give the reference if quoted, otherwise it looks like misuse of one's name.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > > > @gro

ups.com, "SONALI.ME.2009" wrote:> > >> > > The point under discussion is not whether Hasbe Guruji used aspects of Rahu> > > and Ketu but whether Shri Shahasane used those aspects.> > > Also, Sonaliji and Sujatji have written that they have come across the use> > > of such aspects by Shri Shahasane in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish> > > Rahasya'; whereas I have been saying that I have been referring to that book> > > for several years and I have not come across a single instance, not even a> > > passing reference, where Shri Shahasane has used aspects of Rahu and Ketu in> > > that particular book.> > > I have requested both, Sonaliji and Sujatji to quote page number and topic> > > where Shri Shahasane has used such aspects and I am awaiting their reply. If> > > they cannot come up with that reference

then that means that Shri Shahasane> > > has not used aspects of Rahu and Ketu.> > > > > > > > > > > > KRISHNAMURTHY JYOTISH RAHASYA VOL I-PAGE 175-COLUMN (5)-HEADING- BHAV PAR> > > DRUSHTI RAKHNE WALA GRUH,> > > > > > ROW 2- MANGAL,SHANI, RAHU > > > > > > ROW 8- KETU> > > > > > > > > THIS ALL IS GIVEN UNDER THE HEADING - BHAVO KE KARYESH GRUH( SIG OF EACH> > > HOUSE)-BASIC CONCEPTS.> > > > > > JUST ONE OF THE EXAMPLE TO QUOTE.> > > > > > HAVE U READ THIS HEADING???> > > > > > Thanks Regards,> > > > > > Sonali> > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On> > > Behalf Of sujatkaram> > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:17 PM> > > @gro ups.com> > > Re: MAHADASHA NOT YILEDING DESIRED RESULTS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mr.Sandeep,> > > Sir,> > > Some of my books are at Dapoli and some at Kalyan. At present I am at Kalyan> > > and have to remain here for about a month or so. Unfortunately the book in> > > question is at Dapoli. Therefore I am unable to furnish any reference now.> > > regards,> > > sujatkaram. @gro ups.com> > > , sandeep patel > > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunilji,> > > > The point under discussion is

not whether Hasbe Guruji used aspects of> > > Rahu and Ketu but whether Shri Shahasane used those aspects.> > > > Also, Sonaliji and Sujatji have written that they have come across the use> > > of such aspects by Shri Shahasane in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish> > > Rahasya'; whereas I have been saying that I have been referring to that book> > > for several years and I have not come across a single instance, not even a> > > passing reference, where Shri Shahasane has used aspects of Rahu and Ketu in> > > that particular book.> > > > I have requested both, Sonaliji and Sujatji to quote page number and topic> > > where Shri Shahasane has used such aspects and I am awaiting their reply. If> > > they cannot come up with that reference then that means that Shri Shahasane> > > has not used aspects of Rahu and

Ketu.> > > > As you have so rightly pointed out, Shri Shahasane learned KP from Hasbe> > > Guruji but at the same time he was constantly reading and re-reading the KP> > > readers in the initial years and he has mentioned this fact a number of> > > times in various fora. And it is from these KP Readers that he drew the> > > most.> > > > If you have come across such an instance where Shri Shahasane has used> > > aspects of Rahu and Ketu in his book 'Krishnamurti Jyotish Rahasya' I would> > > appreciate if you can let the members know.> > > > Aspects of Rahu and Ketu are not KP as pointed out by Shri Tinwinji and I> > > am certain Shri Shahasane has never used them.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sandeep> > > >> > >>

>>

September 11, 2009

What kind of truth?

How it is practically applicable in KP?

How it is useful for KP?

Regards,

tw

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Because Heliocentricity is the Truth. Geocentricity is apparent. No loss in

learning the Truth.

> Dr. Rath

>

> ________________________________

> tw853 <tw853

>

> Friday, September 11, 2009 7:08:08 AM

> Re: APPLYING WESTERN ASPECTS,PROGRESSION IN KP

>

> Dear Friends,

> 1. Could someone kindly explain what Lajmi ji asked as below:

> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 5770

> 2. What would be the specific reasons and benefits for KP to learn the

Heleocentic system?

> Thanks and regards,

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Patilji,

> > You have rightly said that all astrologers should have a clear cut idea

about the Heleocentic solar system. Although the Geocentric one is the primary

one as we visualise all planets going around us, Heleocentricity is the truth.

The knowledge of heleocentric system will no doubt help us in many ways if we

learn how to apply. Knowledge on Heleocentric System is a must and prediction

basing on Geocentric System is mandatory with assistance of heleocentricity.

This is my personal view.

> > Dr. Rath

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ ...>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Cc: tw853@; rathluther@ ..

> > Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:10:56 AM

> > APPLYING WESTERN ASPECTS,PROGRESSION IN KP

> >

> > R/s Sir,

> > As I have already said that the authors or the eminent astrologers

sometimes, when they had no signification of the concerned bhavas i.e. primary

and secondary bhavas, but the event was at that time already happened, then what

would be the cause of happening the event, and thus they would have checked and

they found that Ketu/rahu was having aspect to concerned prime bhava and they

have taken. In general rule, it is not supposed to take always aspects of Rahu

and Ketu.

> > But in specific manner if any planet is having approx.120degrees and 210