Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

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Dear yogesh,

 

As per your reply, whenever one gets an accidental cut and it bleeds,the RPs at the time will be reflecting the sublords of the IVth,VIth & Xth houses.

 

Can you please explain in details how the 4,6,10 is selected to connect the above said event.

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmiRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Cc: "K.P.Naidu" <konathalanMonday, October 5, 2009, 6:58 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Naidu,

One definitely can find out the exact Time of Birth in atleast 85 to 90% of cases by using the methods described in the excellent book "Astrosecrets & K.P." Part II,kindly peruse the chapters Ascendant(Lagna) ,Lagna determination, A method to set a correct Lagna using K.P.,Birth Time Verification. , by the late Shri M.P.Shanmugham and edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. ..

Pl. try them out and then form an opinion...(only a lawyer can make the statement like the one you've made...surely not a K.P. Astrologer).

Even so,there are methods available in K.P., to rectify a given Birth Time...and if one has a well-developed intuitive power,his success-rate can increase further... !

Allow me to give you an example of the accuracy of K.P.,and through this also one can correct his TOB to the exact one...note the exact time whenever one gets an accidental cut and it bleeds,the RPs at the time will be reflecting the sublords of the IVth,VIth & Xth houses...Also it has been proved by K.P. Scholars sny number of times that accidents take place during the D/B/A/S periods of the significators of houses IV,VIII & XII...! !

Why don't you test this out whenever you get a minor cut and blood oozes oit...note the time and at your leisure calculate the RPs at that time...you will be more than surprised...

If one works with a devoted mind one can achieve an enviable success-rate. ..with K.P. Horary or Natal...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comMonday, October 5, 2009, 4:32 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear sri Yogesh Ji,PROVED CORRECT means what may kindly be clarified.Correct Time of Birth is not known to many, because by the time is recorded whether it is 1st or 2nd or 3rd breath who knows ? God only knows correct Birth Time. Whether the rectified Birth Time tallies all the past life events of the native, as per KP rules?Thanks & Regards,Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sun, 4/10/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comCc: "tw853" <tw853 >Sunday, 4 October, 2009, 10:12 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was confirmed by Mr. Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have proved correct,except perhaps a single exception...

Yogesh Lajmi.

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comSunday, October 4, 2009, 1:40 PM

Dear BTR practising Friends,1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect 3. Major events are as given under.1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third

time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.. Early marriage and late> marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> and Mercury. I got the answer what I was

looking for from Adith ji's email.> 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain> non-reliable.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > study in this

regard.> > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > the forum.> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied..> > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart,

BV> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > walking out.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Thanks Tw ji..I> > >> > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > 3. Technically there is no

Punarphoo (> > > http://logy. . astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > discussion,> > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > uploaded in> > > > the File section.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > >

@gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > Punit> >> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > very> > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > quite> > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > nature> > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > delay.> > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > >

possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > details> > > > have> > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > and> > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > >> > > > >

> But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > seems> > > > to> > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > 7th> > > > CSL> > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > have> > > > to> > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > also. But> > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > we> > > > have to> > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > >> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1> > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery)..> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > ji,> > > > I> > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > marriage/> > > > happy> > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>

Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > are> > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.> > > > > >>> retro planets

effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > >>> 7th

sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> >> > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > >> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as

all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > of> > > > 12 is> > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > and> > > > sat> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > is> > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > Jupiter (> > > > > >>> R)> > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > present,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > marraige> > >

> is> > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > study,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > cases.> > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > which> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > charts> > > > > >>> which I> > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > >

> > >>> > Female:> > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > crossed> > > > 11th> > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > signfies> > > > > >>>

6.*> > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > in 11> > > > in> > > > > >>> its> > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > your> > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > signfications> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>>

> 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > of> > > > 5> > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > married> > > > to> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > marital> > > > > >>> life> > > > > >>> > with children..> > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > >>> > Adith> >

> > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > >wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > experieced> > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > >

>>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > stability> > > > in> > > > > >>> job> > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > Neptune> > > > > >>> > > Pluto

effect.> > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > signifies> > > > any of> > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > >

(which> > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > with> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > effect> > > > on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > understood> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > experienced> > > > by> > > > > >>> him in> > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > >

> promised> > > > > >>> due to> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > his> > > > > >>> personal> > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > He> > > > has> > > > > >>> given many> > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > Dene"> > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > articles.> > > >

> >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > If> > > > you> > > > > >>> can> > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > marriage I> > > > > >>> will be> > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > >

>>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > View> > > > from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your

post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > aspected> > > > > >>> planet> > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > aspected> > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > well> > > > as> > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by> > > > pluto,> > > > > >>> then> > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > that> > > > when> > > > > >>> these> > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > considerable> > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > not> > > > having> > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > case,> > > > pluto> > > > > >>> is not> > > > > >>> > >>

supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> has> > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > an> > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > with> > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > 7th> > > > cusp.> > > > > >>> So not> > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > reasons> > > > which> > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > >>>

> >> identify now..> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > SCientific> > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > >>> > >> >> > >

> > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat> > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > of> > > > DBA> > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > principle> > > > > >>> is even> > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > the> > > > > >>> result is> > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #> > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > Sunil> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... .......... .......... ......... .......but pluto> > gives> > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > we> > > > say> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > based> > > > on> > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it

was observed that Pluto has> > negative> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > should be> > > > > >>> studied> > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > as> > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > Uranus> > > > > >>> which have> > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > This> > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved

by> > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > -> > > > View> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > lord> > > > > >>> theory> > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > (there> > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > instead> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > has> > > > > >>> found any> > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > Pluto> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > in KP> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the

rationale of such a small> > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > is> > > > not> > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups..com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > confirms> > > > >

>>> that> > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > Subject:

Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16123> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16114> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 14157> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > --- In

@gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > effects of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > appropriate> > > > > >>> to> > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > >>> studying its>

> > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > to> > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > 27> > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing> > its> > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > TW ji> > > > > >>> says> > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > Shiva,> > > > the> > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > deep> > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > destruction> > > > > >>>

of> > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... . ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > This> > > > > >>> shows> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > are> > > > not> > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > such> > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > >>> > >>

many> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > Pluto's> > > > (or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > research> > > > > >>> data> > > > > >>> > >> available. Further> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > Dasha> > > > > >>> System.> > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > conjunction> > > > or> > > > > >>> >

>> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > orb). I> > > > > >>> would> > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > correct> > > > or> > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > come> > > > > >>> across> > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted

I would like to offer my services> > for> > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > from> > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > 2009)> > > > > >>> Western> > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > daughter> > > > > >>>

Deva> > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > Pluto> > > > is> > > > > >>> known as> > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > Green> > > > > >>> said that> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > of> > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > side of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > profession is> > > > > >>> >

>> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > page> > > > 46)> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > >>> > >> > > 14.. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > Pluto> > > > > >>> and> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > are> > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> > > > > >>> > >> > >

1.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >

15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > the> > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > appearance is> > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > 8> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > cause> > > > > >>> of no> > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > Hence> > >

> > >>> Pluto or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > in> > > > the> > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > or> > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > wholly> > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > >

aspects.> > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > procedure> > > > > >>> followed> > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > magnify> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > planet> > > > > >>> always for> > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > carries> > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > >

wealth.> > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > benefic.> > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > struggle> > > > > >>> between> > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > 7th is> > > > not> > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > relinquish> > > > > >>> them>

> > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > charts> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > effects,> > > > > >>> which> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > hundred> > > > > >>> > >>

carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > Hill> > > > in> > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58..> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > horoscope> > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto.

I also remember a couple of> > > > write> > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > effect> > > > of> > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > had> > > > > >>> almost> > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > from> > > > his> > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as

below :> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > extra> > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > these> > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > considered.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and

Jupiter also aspecting> > Pluto> > > > @4> > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > results> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > effects> > > > and> > > > > >>> when> > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given

in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > have> > > > got> > > > > >>> many> > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43

AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > Out of> > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > cojunction> > > > > >>> with the> > > > > >>> > >> Badaka

Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > 8.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > its> > > > > >>> star).> > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > Mercury> > > > being> > > > > >>> in> > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > 5(12> > > > to> > > > > >>> 6) ,8> >

> > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > it> > > > is> > > > > >>> being> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > .> > > > But> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > may> > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > countries.> > > > But> > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > amitbs2002@> > > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > shot in> > > > the> > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > cusp> > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of

Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > ),11 & 10.> > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > also> > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5

shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > will> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > economic> > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > bad> > > > .> > > > > >>> We see> > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > signification> > > > > >>> are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > sub> > > > > >>> should> > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >>>

signified. Then> > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit

Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST..> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > time,usingK. P.> > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > your> > > > > >>> analysis>

> > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > as> > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > and> > > > the> > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr..Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > TOB...you> > > > > >>> will> > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > horoscope> > > > of a> > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > issues> > > > > >>> . I> > >

> > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > i> > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > wrong on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > how> > > > he> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > >> doing financially (

say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> >

>>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> <> > >

> > >>>> > > >> > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > ?> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>>

>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

 

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Dear Amitji,

 

My intention was to know that for BTR Lajmiji have given a rule here and i apply

it upto Sub-Sub-Sub level,is correct or wrong.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

, Amit Soman <amitbs2002 wrote:

>

> Dear Bohraji

>

> Its not always the same figure . I am pretty sure abouth this. The value

varies between 21 & 23 secs, depends on what year you are looking for. Offcourse

i am always matching the astrosage / Mykundali value.

>

> Regards

> Amit

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Sudan <msbohra62

>

> Mon, October 5, 2009 10:45:56 AM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

>  

> Dear Amit ji,

>

> If we ,in setting of Jhora,add 23.5188 Seconds to KPA of JHora it will give as

NKPA,you can try it.Where in the forum Tiwinji have compared some software and

JHora is giving perfectly result.

>

> Once we clear the doubts than we can use confidently any software.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohraji

> >

> > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This

worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they

are as good as anbody in the group.

> >

> > Regards

> > Amit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> >

> >  

> > Dear Sudan,

> >                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa

used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for

best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> >                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much

of a difference 

> >                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> >                  Yogesh Lajmi

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >@gro ups.com

> > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > >

> > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > >

> > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord

of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively.

...! "

> > >

> > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is

10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > >

> > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > >

> > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >

> > >M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth

time.

> > >>

> > >> G. Singh

> > >>

> > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > >> >

> > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > >> >

> > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > >> >

> > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

> > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary

gain;

> > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > >> >

> > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > >> >

> > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > >> > TW

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > >> > >

> > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage

and late

> > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from

Adith

> > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In

her

> > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true

for some

> > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by

Moon

> > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's

email.

> > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring

my email

> > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that

give

> > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only

bring

> > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do

this

> > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the

source as

> > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain

> > >> > > non-reliable.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It

has

> > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj,

aspt or opp

> > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p

205 (Old

> > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay

but

> > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let

us know to

> > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to

6th and

> > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the

result to

> > >> > > > the forum.

> > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To

get a

> > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma

Gandhi

> > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16),

King of

> > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

having a

> > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the

dasa of

> > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from

his grand

> > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter

for death.

> > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > >> > > > walking out.

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > >> > > > TW

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > >> > > > discussion,

> > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > >> > > > uploaded in

> > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > >> > > > > > TW

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com>,

> > >> > > > Punit

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. "

seems

> > >> > > > very

> > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > >> > > > quite

> > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > >> > > > > > nature

> > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > >> > > > > > delay.

> > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the

birth

> > >> > > > details

> > >> > > > > > have

> > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said

point

> > >> > > > seems

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat

being

> > >> > > > 7th

> > >> > > > > > CSL

> > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

points

> > >> > > > have

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in

sat sign

> > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > >> > > > > > also. But

> > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay.

may be

> > >> > > > we

> > >> > > > > > have to

> > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1

> > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out

by Sunil

> > >> > > > ji,

> > >> > > > > > I

> > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/

love

> > >> > > > marriage/

> > >> > > > > > happy

> > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many

charts who

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on

pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question

of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun

is lord

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > sat

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star

level

> > >> > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is

again in

> > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord

> > >> > > > > > present,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10,

the

> > >> > > > marraige

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few

cases

> > >> > > > > > study,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in

many

> > >> > > > cases.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's

star*

> > >> > > > which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's

study

> > >> > > > charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with

Rahu.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just

9mts

> > >> > > > crossed

> > >> > > > > > 11th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > >> > > > > > signfies

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > >> > > > in 11

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > >> > > > > > your

> > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present,

the

> > >> > > > > > signfications

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and

the lord

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she

got

> > >> > > > married

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy

> > >> > > > marital

> > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have

many

> > >> > > > experieced

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > >> > > > stability

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during

the dasa

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star..

again a

> > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > >> > > > signifies

> > >> > > > > > any of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However

this 7CSL

> > >> > > > > > (which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > >> > > > with

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have

some

> > >> > > > effect

> > >> > > > > > on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative).

What I

> > >> > > > > > understood

> > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > >> > > > experienced

> > >> > > > > > by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may

not be

> > >> > > > > > promised

> > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am

wrong.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally

and get

> > >> > > > his

> > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same

even now.

> > >> > > > He

> > >> > > > > > has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > >> > > > articles.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > >> > > > If

> > >> > > > > > you

> > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization

of

> > >> > > > marriage I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@

>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > >> > > > View

> > >> > > > > > from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord

shani

> > >> > > > > > aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > >> > > > > > aspected

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if

7csl is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet

then

> > >> > > > aspected

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > >> > > > well

> > >> > > > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As

we see

> > >> > > > that

> > >> > > > > > when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to

a

> > >> > > > > > considerable

> > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as

it is

> > >> > > > not

> > >> > > > > > having

> > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in

this

> > >> > > > case,

> > >> > > > > > pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

Though,

> > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto,

As I had

> > >> > > > an

> > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > >> > > > with

> > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to

> > >> > > > 7th

> > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > >> > > > reasons

> > >> > > > > > which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision,

The

> > >> > > > SCientific

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr

a, India

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > >> > > > aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > DBA

> > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil

ji's

> > >> > > > > > principle

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords

aspect Pluto

> > >> > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage

also Mr.

> > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is

not yet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > >> > > > gives

> > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > >> > > > we

> > >> > > > > > say

> > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale?

This is

> > >> > > > based

> > >> > > > > > on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto

has

> > >> > > > negative

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

cases

> > >> > > > > > should be

> > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > >> > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > >> > > > This

> > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September

27,

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > >> > > > -

> > >> > > > > > View

> > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA

or star

> > >> > > > > > lord

> > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16123

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto

to deny

> > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16114

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for

the house

> > >> > > > > > (there

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > >> > > > > > instead

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

14157

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether

Sunil ji

> > >> > > > has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations

of

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not

found

> > >> > > > in KP

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such

a small

> > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind

of idea

> > >> > > > is

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation.

This

> > >> > > > > > confirms

> > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects

of DBAS

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials -

View from

> > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 16123

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 16114

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 14157

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > >> > > > > > effects of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be

more

> > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248

years

> > >> > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9

out of

> > >> > > > 27

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > >> > > > its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > >> > > > TW ji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu

God

> > >> > > > Shiva,

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins

to bring

> > >> > > > deep

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step

is

> > >> > > > > > destruction

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit

Page 477). "

> > >> > > > > > This

> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and

Neptune

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > >> > > > such

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based

on

> > >> > > > Pluto's

> > >> > > > > > (or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is

no

> > >> > > > research

> > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > >> > > > Dasha

> > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > >> > > > conjunction

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > >> > > > orb). I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > >> > > > correct

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji

that he has

> > >> > > > > > come

> > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > >> > > > for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials -

View

> > >> > > > from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green,

his

> > >> > > > > > daughter

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > >> > > > Green

> > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > >> > > > > > side of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > >> > > > > > profession is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > >> > > > page

> > >> > > > > > 46)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=)

8%. The

> > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different

from

> > >> > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the

2, 7 and

> > >> > > > 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below

to be the

> > >> > > > > > cause

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

houses.

> > >> > > > Hence

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > >> > > > in

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > >> > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is

not

> > >> > > > wholly

> > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > >> > > > > > procedure

> > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > >> > > > > > magnify

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of

that

> > >> > > > planet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > >> > > > > > carries

> > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic

or

> > >> > > > benefic.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates

power

> > >> > > > > > struggle

> > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune

in the

> > >> > > > 7th is

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by

karma to

> > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of

the AA

> > >> > > > > > charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of

no

> > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > >> > > > > > effects,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > >> > > > > > hundred

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

Judith

> > >> > > > Hill

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > >> > > > horoscope

> > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a

couple of

> > >> > > > > > write

> > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue

)on

> > >> > > > effect

> > >> > > > > > of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> > >> > > > had

> > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > >> > > > from

> > >> > > > > > his

> > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects "

the

> > >> > > > extra

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > >> > > > these

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > >> > > > considered.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within

3 deg.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > @4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > >> > > > > > results

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about

pluto

> > >> > > > effects

> > >> > > > > > and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue

and i

> > >> > > > have

> > >> > > > > > got

> > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.

> > >> > > > Out of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in

close

> > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the

lord of

> > >> > > > 8.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

planet in

> > >> > > > its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > >> > > > Mercury

> > >> > > > > > being

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of

6,10, the

> > >> > > > 5(12

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > >> > > > it

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in

its star)

> > >> > > > .

> > >> > > > > > But

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as

bad, as it

> > >> > > > may

> > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > >> > > > countries.

> > >> > > > > > But

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included

below]

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a

screen

> > >> > > > shot in

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> > >> > > > cusp

> > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa.

Its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > >> > > > also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > >> > > > will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason

for bad

> > >> > > > > > economic

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After

that it is

> > >> > > > bad

> > >> > > > > > .

> > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > >> > > > > > signification

> > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra

)=

> > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say

that 10th

> > >> > > > sub

> > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > >> > > > > > your

> > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord

of II

> > >> > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart

for this

> > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on

a

> > >> > > > horoscope

> > >> > > > > > of a

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

couple of

> > >> > > > > > issues

> > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his

life. When

> > >> > > > i

> > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i

was 100%

> > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find

any

> > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can

point out

> > >> > > > how

> > >> > > > > > he

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What

are the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sudan,

The sub-sub lords levels of ALL the cusps are not the same...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Sudan <msbohra62 wrote:

Sudan <msbohra62 Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 10:50 AM

Dear Amitji,My intention was to know that for BTR Lajmiji have given a rule here and i apply it upto Sub-Sub-Sub level,is correct or wrong.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bohraji> > Its not always the same figure . I am pretty sure abouth this. The value varies between 21 & 23 secs, depends on what year you are looking for. Offcourse i am always matching the astrosage / Mykundali value.> > Regards> Amit> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sudan <msbohra62@. ..>> @gro ups.com> Mon, October 5, 2009 10:45:56 AM> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > Dear Amit ji,> > If we ,in setting of Jhora,add 23.5188 Seconds to KPA of JHora it will give as NKPA,you can try it.Where in the forum Tiwinji have compared some software and JHora is giving perfectly result.> > Once we clear the doubts than we can use confidently any software.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bohraji> > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the

group.> > > > Regards> > Amit > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Sudan,> > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K..P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be

too much of a difference > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >@gro ups.com> > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >Dear G.Singh ji,> > >> > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as

:-> > >> > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> > >> > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?> > >> > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> > >> > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> > >> > >Thanks,> > >> > >M.S.Bohra> > >> > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> > >>> > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > >> > > >> G. Singh> > >> > > >> @gro

ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > >> > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > >> > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > >> > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) >

> >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > >> > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > >> > > > >> > Thanks and regards,> > >> > TW > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > >> >

>> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > >> > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > >> > > do

that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If

an> > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > >> > > non-reliable.> > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >> > > >> > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > >> >

> > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > >> > > > study in this regard.> > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > >> > > > the forum.> > >> > >

> 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr.. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > >> >

> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > >> > > > walking out.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > > TW> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > >> > > >

>> > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > >> > > > discussion,> > >> > > > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> >

>> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > >> > > > uploaded in> > >> > > > > > the File section.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Regards,> > >> > > > > > TW> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com>,> > >> > > > Punit> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > >> > > > very> > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > >> > > > quite> > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > >> > > > > > nature> > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> >

>> > > > > > delay.> > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > >> > > > details> > >> > > > > > have> > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > >> > > > seems> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to

such conclusion. Sat being> > >> > > > 7th> > >> > > > > > CSL> > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > >> > > > have> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > >> > > > > > also. But> > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > >> > > > we> > >> > > > > > have to> > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > >>

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > >> > > > ji,> > >> > > > > > I> > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > >> > > > marriage/> > >> > > > > > happy> > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > >> > >

> > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question

of> > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > >> > > >> >

>> > > >> > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g..k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > 12 is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > sat> > >> >

> > > > > >>> is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > >> > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > >> > > > > > Jupiter (> > >> > > > > > > >>> R)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > >> > > > > > present,> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > >> > > >

marraige> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > >> > > > > > study,> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > >> > > > cases.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > >> > > > which> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > >> >

> > charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> which I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > >> > > > > > > >>>

>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > >> > > > crossed> > >> > > > > > 11th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > >> > > > > > signfies> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > >> > >

> in 11> > >> > > > > > in> > >> > > > > > > >>> its> > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > >> > > > > > your> > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10

signfications present, the> > >> > > > > > signfications> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > >> > > > married> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > >> > > > marital> > >> > > > > > > >>> life> > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@> > >> > > > > > >wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > >> > > > experieced> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM;

Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > >> > > > stability> > >> > > > > > in> > >> > > > > > > >>> job> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > >> > > > > > Neptune> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > >> > > > signifies> > >> > > > > > any of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > >> > > > > > (which> > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > >> > > >

with> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > >> > > > effect> > >> > > > > > on> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > >> > > > > > understood> > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > >> > > > experienced> > >> > > > > > by> > >> > > > > > > >>> him in> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > >> > > > > > promised> > >> > > > > > > >>> due to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong..> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > >> > > > his> > >> > > > > > > >>> personal> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > >> > > > He> > >> > > > > > has> > >> > >

> > > > >>> given many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > >> > > > > > Dene"> > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > >> > > > articles.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > >> > > > If> > >> > > > > > you> > >> > > > > > > >>> can> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other

reason for non-materialization of> > >> > > > marriage I> > >> > > > > > > >>> will be> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com

<%> > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > >> > > > View> > >> > > > > > from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > >> > > > > > aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > >> > > > > > aspected> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > >> > > >

aspected> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > >> > > > well> > >> > > > > > as> > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > >> > > > > > pluto,> > >> > > > > > > >>> then> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > >> > > > that> > >> > > > > > when> > >> > > > > > > >>> these>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > >> > > > > > considerable> > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > >> > > > not> > >> > > > > > having> > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > >> > > > case,> > >> > > > > > pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to

abstain from giving results. Though,> > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > >> > > > > > > >>> has> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > >> > > > an> > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > >> > > > with> > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > >> > > > 7th> > >> > > > > > cusp.> > >> > > > > > >

>>> So not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > >> > > > reasons> > >> > > > > > which> > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > >> > > > SCientific> > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL

Sat> > >> > > > aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > DBA> > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > >> > > > > > principle> > >> > > > > > > >>> is even> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> result is> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative.. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > >> > > > > > Sunil> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > >> > > > gives> > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > >> >

> > we> > >> > > > > > say> > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > >> > > > based> > >> > > > > > on> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > >> > > > negative> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > >> > > > > > should be> > >> > > > > > > >>> studied> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > >> > > > as> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > >> > > > > > Uranus> > >> > > > > > > >>> which have> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > >> > > > This> > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > -> > >> > > > > > View> > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am

sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > >> > > > > > lord> > >> > > > > > > >>> theory> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > >> > > > > > (there> > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > >> > > > > > instead> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > >> > > > has> > >> > > > > > > >>> found any> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > >> > > > in KP> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even

Vedic.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > >> > > > is> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> --- In

@gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > >> > > > > > confirms> > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > >> > > > > > Sunilji> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 16123> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 16114> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 14157>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > >> > > > > > effects of> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow

principle of KP. It would be more> > >> > > > > > appropriate> > >> > > > > > > >>> to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > >> > > > to> >

>> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > >> > > > 27> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > >> > > > its> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > >> > > > TW ji> > >> > > > > > > >>> says> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > >> > > > Shiva,> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > >> > > > deep> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > >> > > > > > destruction> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > >> > > > > > This> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us

know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > >> > > > such> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > >> > > > Pluto's> > >> > > > > > (or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > >> > > > research> > >> > > > > > > >>> data> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > >> > > > Dasha> > >> > > > > > > >>> System..> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > >> > > > conjunction> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

aspects of the DBAS> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > >> > > > orb). I> > >> > > > > > > >>> would> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > >> > > > correct> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr.

Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > >> > > > > > come> > >> > > > > > > >>> across> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > >> > > > for> > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > >>

> > > from> > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > >> > > > > > 2009)> > >> > > > > > > >>> Western> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > >> > > > > > daughter> > >> > > > > >

> >>> Deva> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> known as> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > >> > > > Green> > >> > > > > > > >>> said that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive> > >> > > > > > side of> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > >> > > > > > profession is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > >> > > > page> > >> > > > > > 46)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > >> > > > > > Pluto>

> >> > > > > > > >>> and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10... 4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > >> > > > > > appearance is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > >> > > > 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > >> > > > > > cause> > >> > > > > > > >>> of no> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > >> > > > Hence> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > >> > > > in> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > >> > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > >> > > > wholly> > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > >> > > > > > aspects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given

an important role in eight points specific> > >> > > > > > procedure> > >> > > > > > > >>> followed> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > >> > > > > > magnify> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > >> > > > planet> > >> > > > > > > >>> always for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > >> > > > > > carries> > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > >> > > > > > wealth.> > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > >> > > > benefic.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > >> > > > > > struggle> > >> > > > > > > >>> between> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > >> > > > 7th is> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > >> > > > > > relinquish> > >> > > > > > > >>> them> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > >> > > > > > charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > >> > > >

> > marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > >> > > > > > effects,> > >> > > > > > > >>> which> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > >> > > > > > hundred> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > >> > > >

Hill> > >> > > > > > in> > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups..com, Amit Soman wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this> > >> > > > horoscope> > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > >> > > > > > write> > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > >> > > > effect> > >> > > > > > of> > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > >> > > > had> > >> > > > > > > >>> almost> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > >> > > > from> > >> > > > > > his> > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto

Effects" the> > >> > > > extra> > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > >> > > > these> > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > >> > > > considered.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting>

> >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > @4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > >> > > > > > results> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > >> > > > effects> > >> > > > > > and> > >> > > > > > >

>>> when> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > >> > > > have> > >> > > > > > got> > >> > > > > > > >>> many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > >> > > > Out of> > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > >> > > > > > cojunction> > >> > > > > > > >>> with the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected

by satrun the lord of> > >> > > > 8.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > >> > > > its> > >> > > > > > > >>> star).> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > >> > > > Mercury> > >> > > > > > being> > >> > > > > > > >>> in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in

11.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > >> > > > 5(12> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > >> > > > it> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> being> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > >> > > > .> > >> > > > > > But> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > >> > > > may> > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > >> > > > countries.> > >> > > > > > But> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > >> > > > amitbs2002@> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > >> > > > shot in> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > >> > > > cusp> > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per

4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations

of 1,7,8( inheritance> > >> > > > ),11 & 10.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > >> > > > also> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > >> > > > will> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > >> > > > > > economic> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > >> > > > bad> > >> > > > > > .> > >> > > > > > > >>> We see> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > >> > > > > > signification> > >> > > > > > > >>> are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >Ra : - -> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > >> > > > sub> > >> > > > > > > >>> should> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Subject:

Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > >> > > > time,usingK. P.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > >> > > > > > your> > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > >> > > > as> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter....> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman

please erect the Birth chart for this> > >> > > > > > TOB...you> > >> > > > > > > >>> will> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > >> > > > horoscope> > >> > > > > > of a> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > >> > > > > > issues> > >> > > > > > > >>> . I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain

opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > >> > > > i> > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > >> > > > > > wrong on> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody

in the group can point out> > >> > > > how> > >> > > > > > he> > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

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Dear TWji,

 

Very nicely explained about the KPNA and the necessary adjustment to be done for novice like us using various softwares. Certainly, Punitji's KPNA calculator is of great use to find the KPNA values to be incorporated. Appreciate the effort taken by Seniors to explain to the beginners like me. Thanks

Warm Regards, Devbrato Sarkar

"Wealth is not just about making the money BUT making the MAN while he is making money".--- On Mon, 10/5/09, TW <tw853 wrote:

TW <tw853 Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 7:11 PM

Dear Friends,1. As demonstrated many times, any commonly used SW like AstroSage or MyKundli, JHora, KPStarOne, Astraura etc generally provides more or less the same output up to the sub level, which is used in the KP analysis, except in the border line case.2. If the SW is not incorporated with the KP New Ayanamsa (KPNA), an easy and sure way is to get the KPNA from the following link as per courtesy of Panit ji: www.astrosage. com then to-- KP System KP System Homeand there isKP New Ayanamsa CalculatorFor the DOB 03-02-1962, the KPNA is 023-14-14.Only one second difference from 23-14-15 doesn't matter at all.3. What matters is to directly enter this KPNA before calculation as far as possible to get the accurate output. In JHora 3.3, go to the preference option --> Ayanamsa --> Tropical and there enter 23-14-15 as addition to tropical. [it is much easier than going to the preference option -->

Ayanamsa --> KP Ayanamsa, then adjusting the KPA 23-13-51.48 to KPNA 23-14-15 by adding the difference of these two ayanamsa values (23-14-15 minus 23-13-51.48= ) 23.52 seconds.] In the free Astraura, it is to calculate by the given KPA, and after that to adjust the output by the difference of two ayanamsa values. With a small amount of donation, in the extended version of Astraura the KPNA can be directly entered.4. The AstroSage or MyKundli, the KPStarOne, KPAstro 3.5, JDeepika, and Smart Horary (KP) Astrology etc are ncorporated with the KPNA.Regards,TW @gro ups.com, "Sudan" <msbohra62@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Amit ji,> > If we ,in setting of Jhora,add 23.5188 Seconds to KPA of JHora it will give as NKPA,you can try

it.Where in the forum Tiwinji have compared some software and JHora is giving perfectly result.> > Once we clear the doubts than we can use confidently any software.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Bohraji> > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > > > Regards> > Amit > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >>

> @gro ups.com> > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Sudan,> > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > >

Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >@gro ups.com> > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >Dear G.Singh ji,> > >> > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-> > >> > >"

Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> > >> > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?> > >> > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> > >> > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> > >> > >Thanks,> > >> > >M.S.Bohra> > >> > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> > >>> > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > >> > > >> G. Singh> > >> > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:>

> >> >> > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > >> > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > >> > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > >> > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992

(Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > >> > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > >> > > > >> > Thanks and regards,> > >> > TW > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> >

>> > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > >> > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the

same.> > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > >> > > astrologer

can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > >> > > non-reliable.> > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >> > > >> > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do

you have more such cases?>>>It has> > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > >> > > > study in this regard.> > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > >> > > > the forum.> > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP

as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star

lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > >> > > > walking out.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > > TW> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >

These are the points we are discussing -> > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > >> > > > discussion,> > >> > > > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > >> > >>

> > > >> > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > >> > > > uploaded in> > >> > > > > > the File section.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Regards,> > >> > > > > > TW> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > >> > > > Punit>

> >> > > >> > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > >> > > > very> > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > >> > > > quite> > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > >> > > > > > nature> > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > >> > > > > > delay.> > >>

> > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > >> > > > details> > >> > > > > > have> > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > On

Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > >> > > > seems> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > >> > > >

7th> > >> > > > > > CSL> > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > >> > > > have> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > >> > > > > > also. But> > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > >> > > > we> > >> > > > > > have to> > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally?

As pointed out by Sunil> > >> > > > ji,> > >> > > > > > I> > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > >> > > > marriage/> > >> > > > > > happy> > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > >> > > > > > > >>> retro

planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > >> > > > >

> > >>> pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >>

> > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > 12 is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > sat> > >> > > > > > > >>> is>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > >> > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > >> > > > > > Jupiter (> > >> > > > > > > >>> R)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > >> > > > > > present,> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > >> > > > marraige> > >> > > >

> > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > >> > > > > > study,> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > >> > > > cases.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > >> > > > which> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > >> > > > charts> > >> > >

> > > > >>> which I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > >> > > > crossed> > >> > > > > > 11th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > >> > > > > > signfies> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > >> > > > in 11> > >> > > > > >

in> > >> > > > > > > >>> its> > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > >> > > > > > your> > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > >> > > >

> > signfications> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > >> > > > married> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy> > >> > > > marital> > >> > > > > > > >>> life> > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > >> > > > > > >wrote:> >

>> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > >> > > > experieced> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > >> > > > stability> > >> > > > > > in> > >> > > > > > > >>> job> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > >> > > > > > Neptune> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > >> > > > signifies> > >> > > > > > any of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > >> > > > > > (which> > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > >> > > > with> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > >> > > > effect> > >> > > > > > on> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > >> > > > > > understood> > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > >> > > > experienced> > >> > > > > > by> > >> > > > > > > >>> him in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such

circumstances marriage may not be> > >> > > > > > promised> > >> > > > > > > >>> due to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > >> > > > his> > >> > > > > > > >>> personal> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > >> > > > He> > >> > > > > > has> > >> > > > > > > >>> given many> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > >> > > > > > Dene"> > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > >> > > > articles.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > >> > > > If> > >> > > > > > you> > >> > > > > > > >>> can> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > >> > > >

marriage I> > >> > > > > > > >>> will be> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_

system%> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > >> > > > View> > >> > > > > > from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > >> > > > > > aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > >> > > > > > aspected> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > >> > > > aspected> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > >> > > > well> > >> > > > > > as> > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > >> > > > > > pluto,> > >> > > > > > > >>> then> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > >> > > > that> > >> > > > > > when> > >> > > > > > > >>> these> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by

Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > >> > > > > > considerable> > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > >> > > > not> > >> > > > > > having> > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > >> > > > case,> > >> > > > > > pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > >> > > > > >

Sunilji> > >> > > > > > > >>> has> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > >> > > > an> > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > >> > > > with> > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > >> > > > 7th> > >> > > > > > cusp.> > >> > > > > > > >>> So not> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > >> > > > reasons> > >> > > > > > which> > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > >> > > > SCientific> > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > >> > > > aspects> > >> > > > > > >

>>> Pluto to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > DBA> > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > >> > > > > > principle> > >> > > > > > > >>> is even> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> result is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #> > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > >> > > > > > Sunil> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > >> > > > gives> > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > >> > > > we> > >> > > > > > say> > >> > > > >

> > >>> that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > >> > > > based> > >> > > > > > on> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > >> > > > negative> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > >> > > > > > should be> > >> > > > > > > >>> studied> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > >> > > > as>

> >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > >> > > > > > Uranus> > >> > > > > > > >>> which have> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > >> > > > This> > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > >> >

> > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > -> > >> > > > > > View> > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > >> > > > > >

lord> > >> > > > > > > >>> theory> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > >> > > > > > (there> > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > >> > > > > > instead> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > >> > > > has> > >> > > > > > > >>> found any> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > >> > > > in KP> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > >> > > > is> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > >> > > > > > confirms> > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 16123> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 16114> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 14157> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > >> > > > > > effects of> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > >> > > > > > appropriate> > >> >

> > > > > >>> to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > >> > > > to> > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > >> > > > 27> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > >> > > > its> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > >> > > > TW ji> > >> > > > > > > >>> says> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > >> > > > Shiva,> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > >> > > > deep> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > >> >

> > > > destruction> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > >> > > > > > This> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > >> > > > are> > >> > >

> > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > >> > > > such> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > >> > > > Pluto's> > >> > > > > > (or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > >> >

> > research> > >> > > > > > > >>> data> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > >> > > > Dasha> > >> > > > > > > >>> System..> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > >> > > > conjunction> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords

with these plants (of course within prescribed> > >> > > > orb). I> > >> > > > > > > >>> would> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > >> > > > correct> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > >> > > > > > come> > >> > >

> > > > >>> across> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > >> > > > for> > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > >> > > > from> > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > >> > > > > > 2009)> > >> > > > > > > >>> Western> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > >> > > > > > daughter> > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> known as> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > >> > > > Green> > >> > > > > > > >>> said that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > >> > > > > > side of> > >> > > > >

> > >>> Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > >> > > > > > profession is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > >> > > > page> > >> > > > > > 46)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > >> > > > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> and> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average

appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > >> > > > > > appearance is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > >> > > > 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be

the> > >> > > > > > cause> > >> > > > > > > >>> of no> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > >> > > > Hence> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > >> > > > in> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

Findings> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > >> > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > >> > > > wholly> > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > >> > > > > > aspects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > >> > > >

> > procedure> > >> > > > > > > >>> followed> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > >> > > > > > magnify> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > >> > > > planet> > >> > > > > > > >>> always for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > >> > > > > > carries> > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and

the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > >> > > > > > wealth.> > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > >> > > > benefic.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > >> > > > > > struggle> > >> > > > > > > >>> between> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all.

Similarly Neptune in the> > >> > > > 7th is> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > >> > > > > > relinquish> > >> > > > > > > >>> them> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > >> > > > > > charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > >> > > > > > marriage.> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > >> > > > > > effects,> > >> > > > > > > >>> which> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > >> > > > > > hundred> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > >> > > > Hill> > >> > > > > > in> >

>> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > >> > > > horoscope> >

>> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > >> > > > > > write> > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > >> > > > effect> > >> > > > > > of> > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > >> > > > had> > >> > > > > > > >>> almost> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > >> > > > from> > >> > > > > > his> > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > >> > > > extra>

> >> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > >> > > > these> > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > >> > > > considered.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > >

> > > @4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > >> > > > > > results> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > >> > > > effects> > >> > > > > > and> > >> > > > > > > >>> when> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > >> > > > have> > >> > > > > > got> > >> > > > > > > >>> many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > >> > > > Out of> > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > >> > > > > > cojunction> > >> > > > > > > >>> with the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > >> > > >

8.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > >> > > > its> > >> > > > > > > >>> star).> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > >> > > > Mercury> > >> > > > > > being> > >> > > > > > > >>> in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > >> > > > 5(12> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > >> > > > it> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> being> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > >> > > > .> > >> > > > > > But> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10

can not be taken as bad, as it> > >> > > > may> > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > >> > > > countries.> > >> > > > > > But> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > >> > > > amitbs2002@> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>Dear Lajmiji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > >> > > > shot in> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > >> > > > cusp> > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> step are :> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > >> > >

> ),11 & 10.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > >> > > > also> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > >> > > > will> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for

bad> > >> > > > > > economic> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > >> > > > bad> > >> > > > > > .> > >> > > > > > > >>> We see> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > >> > > > > > signification> > >> > > > > > > >>> are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good

professional earning we say that 10th> > >> > > > sub> > >> > > > > > > >>> should> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > >> > > > time,usingK. P.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > >> > > > > > your> > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong

because you were getting the sublord of II> > >> > > > as> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > >> > >

> > > TOB...you> > >> > > > > > > >>> will> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > >> > > > horoscope> > >> > > > > > of a> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > >> > > > > > issues> > >> > > > > > > >>> . I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> >

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Dear Senthil,

I have already replied to this query on thhis site...it was a typographical error...it should have been IV,VI & XII...and is the acid test,as prescribed in the excellent book Astrosecrets & K.P.,Part II,by the late Shri M.P.Shanmugham and edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. Kindly refer the Chapters on Lagna determination and how to set the correct Lagna,as well as Rectifiation of Birth Time...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

--- On Tue, 10/6/09, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

Senthil <athi_ramRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar Cc: "Yogesh Lajmi" <yogeshlajmiTuesday, October 6, 2009, 7:24 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear yogesh,

 

As per your reply, whenever one gets an accidental cut and it bleeds,the RPs at the time will be reflecting the sublords of the IVth,VIth & Xth houses.

 

Can you please explain in details how the 4,6,10 is selected to connect the above said event.

 

Thanks

 

D.Senthil

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comCc: "K.P.Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>Monday, October 5, 2009, 6:58 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr.Naidu,

One definitely can find out the exact Time of Birth in atleast 85 to 90% of cases by using the methods described in the excellent book "Astrosecrets & K.P." Part II,kindly peruse the chapters Ascendant(Lagna) ,Lagna determination, A method to set a correct Lagna using K.P.,Birth Time Verification. , by the late Shri M.P.Shanmugham and edited by Mr.K.Subramaniam. ..

Pl. try them out and then form an opinion...(only a lawyer can make the statement like the one you've made...surely not a K.P. Astrologer).

Even so,there are methods available in K.P., to rectify a given Birth Time...and if one has a well-developed intuitive power,his success-rate can increase further... !

Allow me to give you an example of the accuracy of K.P.,and through this also one can correct his TOB to the exact one...note the exact time whenever one gets an accidental cut and it bleeds,the RPs at the time will be reflecting the sublords of the IVth,VIth & Xth houses...Also it has been proved by K.P. Scholars sny number of times that accidents take place during the D/B/A/S periods of the significators of houses IV,VIII & XII...! !

Why don't you test this out whenever you get a minor cut and blood oozes oit...note the time and at your leisure calculate the RPs at that time...you will be more than surprised...

If one works with a devoted mind one can achieve an enviable success-rate. ..with K.P. Horary or Natal...

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

K. P. Naidu <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comMonday, October 5, 2009, 4:32 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear sri Yogesh Ji,PROVED CORRECT means what may kindly be clarified.Correct Time of Birth is not known to many, because by the time is recorded whether it is 1st or 2nd or 3rd breath who knows ? God only knows correct Birth Time. Whether the rectified Birth Time tallies all the past life events of the native, as per KP rules?Thanks & Regards,Naidu KP K. P. Naidu,Flat E-1, Prince Aptmts.,Nowroji Road,Maharanipeta,VISAKHAPATNAM 530002.Phone Resi: 0891-2712591.--- On Sun, 4/10/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ > wrote:

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comCc: "tw853" <tw853 >Sunday, 4 October, 2009, 10:12 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TW,

I am pleased to inform you that the TOB rectified by me was confirmed by Mr. Gurmeet Singh...10-14-30 AM. IST at Ludhiana...

I have sent many a BTRs through this site...ALL of them have proved correct,except perhaps a single exception...

Yogesh Lajmi.

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, TW <tw853 > wrote:

TW <tw853 > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comSunday, October 4, 2009, 1:40 PM

Dear BTR practising Friends,1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect 3. Major events are as given under.1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third

time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:>> Dear Tw ji,> > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.. Early marriage and late> marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> and Mercury. I got the answer what I was

looking for from Adith ji's email.> 2. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain> non-reliable.> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853 wrote:> > >> >> > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > study in this

regard.> > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > the forum.> > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied..> > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart,

BV> > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > walking out.> >> > Thanks and regards,> > TW> >> >> >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Thanks Tw ji..I> > >> > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > 3. Technically there is no

Punarphoo (> > > http://logy. . astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > discussion,> > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > Punit Pandey> > >> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > uploaded in> > > > the File section.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > >

@gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > Punit> >> > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > >> > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > very> > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > quite> > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > nature> > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > delay.> > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > >

possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > details> > > > have> > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > and> > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > >> > > > >

> But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > seems> > > > to> > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > 7th> > > > CSL> > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > have> > > > to> > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > also. But> > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > we> > > > have to> > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > >> > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1> > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery)...> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Adith> > > > > >> > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > ji,> > > > I> > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > marriage/> > > > happy> > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > >>> > > > > >>

Thanks & Regards,> > > > > >>> > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > are> > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period.> > > > > >>> retro planets

effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > >>> 7th

sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> >> > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > >> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as

all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > of> > > > 12 is> > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > and> > > > sat> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > is> > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > Jupiter (> > > > > >>> R)> > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > present,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > marraige> > >

> is> > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > study,> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > cases.> > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > which> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > charts> > > > > >>> which I> > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > >

> > >>> > Female:> > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > crossed> > > > 11th> > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > signfies> > > > > >>>

6.*> > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > in 11> > > > in> > > > > >>> its> > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > your> > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > signfications> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>>

> 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > of> > > > 5> > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > married> > > > to> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > marital> > > > > >>> life> > > > > >>> > with children..> > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > >>> > Adith> >

> > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > >wrote:> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > experieced> > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > >

>>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ...Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > stability> > > > in> > > > > >>> job> > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > Neptune> > > > > >>> > > Pluto

effect.> > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > signifies> > > > any of> > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > >

(which> > > > > >>> is Shani> > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > with> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > effect> > > > on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > understood> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > experienced> > > > by> > > > > >>> him in> > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > >

> promised> > > > > >>> due to> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > his> > > > > >>> personal> > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > He> > > > has> > > > > >>> given many> > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > Dene"> > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > articles.> > > >

> >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > If> > > > you> > > > > >>> can> > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > marriage I> > > > > >>> will be> > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > >

>>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > View> > > > from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your

post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > aspected> > > > > >>> planet> > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > aspected> > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > well> > > > as> > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by> > > > pluto,> > > > > >>> then> > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > that> > > > when> > > > > >>> these> > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > considerable> > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > not> > > > having> > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > case,> > > > pluto> > > > > >>> is not> > > > > >>> > >>

supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> has> > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > an> > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > with> > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > 7th> > > > cusp.> > > > > >>> So not> > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > reasons> > > > which> > > > > >>> we canot> > > > > >>>

> >> identify now..> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > SCientific> > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > >>> > >> >> > >

> > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 .......7CSL Sat> > aspects> > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > of> > > > DBA> > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise.My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > principle> > > > > >>> is even> > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > the> > > > > >>> result is> > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #> > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > Sunil> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... .......... .......... ......... .......but pluto> > gives> > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > we> > > > say> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > based> > > > on> > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it

was observed that Pluto has> > negative> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > should be> > > > > >>> studied> > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > as> > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > Uranus> > > > > >>> which have> > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > This> > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved

by> > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > -> > > > View> > > > > >>> from> > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > lord> > > > > >>> theory> > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > (there> > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > instead> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > has> > > > > >>> found any> > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > Pluto> > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > in KP> > > > or> > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the

rationale of such a small> > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > is> > > > not> > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups..com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > confirms> > > > >

>>> that> > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > Subject:

Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16123> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 16114> > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > 14157> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > --- In

@gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > effects of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > appropriate> > > > > >>> to> > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > >>> studying its>

> > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > to> > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > 27> > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing> > its> > > > > >>> effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > TW ji> > > > > >>> says> > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > Shiva,> > > > the> > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > deep> > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > > destruction> > > > > >>>

of> > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it........... . ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > This> > > > > >>> shows> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > are> > > > not> > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > such> > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > >>> > >>

many> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > Pluto's> > > > (or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > research> > > > > >>> data> > > > > >>> > >> available. Further> > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > Dasha> > > > > >>> System.> > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > conjunction> > > > or> > > > > >>> >

>> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > orb). I> > > > > >>> would> > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > correct> > > > or> > > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > come> > > > > >>> across> > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted

I would like to offer my services> > for> > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > from> > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > 2009)> > > > > >>> Western> > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > daughter> > > > > >>>

Deva> > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > Pluto> > > > is> > > > > >>> known as> > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > Green> > > > > >>> said that> > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > of> > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > side of> > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > profession is> > > > > >>> >

>> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > page> > > > 46)> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > >>> > >> > > 14.. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > Pluto> > > > > >>> and> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > are> > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > > > >>> > >> > > H.. Ne.. Pl> > > > > >>> > >> > >

1.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >

15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > the> > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > appearance is> > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > 8> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > cause> > > > > >>> of no> > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > Hence> > >

> > >>> Pluto or> > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > in> > > > the> > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > or> > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > wholly> > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > >

aspects.> > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > procedure> > > > > >>> followed> > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > magnify> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > planet> > > > > >>> always for> > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > carries> > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > >

wealth.> > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > benefic.> > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > struggle> > > > > >>> between> > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > 7th is> > > > not> > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > relinquish> > > > > >>> them>

> > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > charts> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > marriage.> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > effects,> > > > > >>> which> > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > hundred> > > > > >>> > >>

carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > Hill> > > > in> > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58...> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > horoscope> > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto.

I also remember a couple of> > > > write> > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > effect> > > > of> > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > had> > > > > >>> almost> > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > from> > > > his> > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as

below :> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > extra> > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > these> > > > > >>> planets and> > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > considered.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and

Jupiter also aspecting> > Pluto> > > > @4> > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > results> > > > > >>> of> > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > effects> > > > and> > > > > >>> when> > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given

in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > have> > > > got> > > > > >>> many> > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43

AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > Out of> > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > cojunction> > > > > >>> with the> > > > > >>> > >> Badaka

Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > 8.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > its> > > > > >>> star).> > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > Mercury> > > > being> > > > > >>> in> > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > 5(12> > > > to> > > > > >>> 6) ,8> >

> > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > it> > > > is> > > > > >>> being> > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > .> > > > But> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > may> > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > countries.> > > > But> > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > amitbs2002@> > > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > shot in> > > > the> > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > cusp> > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of

Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > ),11 & 10.> > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > also> > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5

shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > will> > > > > >>> also> > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > economic> > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > bad> > > > .> > > > > >>> We see> > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > signification> > > > > >>> are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > sub> > > > > >>> should> > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > >>>

signified. Then> > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit

Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST..> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > time,usingK. P.> > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > your> > > > > >>> analysis>

> > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > as> > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > and> > > > the> > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr..Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > TOB...you> > > > > >>> will> > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > >

>>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > horoscope> > > > of a> > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > issues> > > > > >>> . I> > >

> > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > i> > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > wrong on> > > > > >>> the> > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > how> > > > he> > > > > >>> is> > > > > >>> > >> doing financially (

say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> >

>>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> <> > >

> > >>>> > > >> > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > ?> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>>

>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

 

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Dear Lajmiji,

 

In other word if we tuneup the Moon's Star lord,Sub Lord and Sub-Sub lord with

Ascendant's Sub lord,Sub-Sub lord and Sub-Sub-Sub lord respectively than we may

be wrong ?

 

We must stop at Sub-Sub lord of Ascendant.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

M.S.Bohra

, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

>

> Dear Sudan,

>                   The sub-sub lords levels of ALL the cusps are not the

same...

>                   With best wishes,

>                   Yogesh Lajmi.

>

> --- On Tue, 10/6/09, Sudan <msbohra62 wrote:

>

>

> Sudan <msbohra62

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

> Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 10:50 AM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Amitji,

>

> My intention was to know that for BTR Lajmiji have given a rule here and i

apply it upto Sub-Sub-Sub level,is correct or wrong.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohraji

> >

> > Its not always the same figure . I am pretty sure abouth this. The value

varies between 21 & 23 secs, depends on what year you are looking for. Offcourse

i am always matching the astrosage / Mykundali value.

> >

> > Regards

> > Amit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Mon, October 5, 2009 10:45:56 AM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> >  

> > Dear Amit ji,

> >

> > If we ,in setting of Jhora,add 23.5188 Seconds to KPA of JHora it will give

as NKPA,you can try it.Where in the forum Tiwinji have compared some software

and JHora is giving perfectly result.

> >

> > Once we clear the doubts than we can use confidently any software.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohraji

> > >

> > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali.

This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW &

they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Amit

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Sudan,

> > >                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

SW...for best results...I use the late Mr..A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P.

New Ayanamsa...

> > >                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too

much of a difference 

> > >                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

arrived at by him and me were tha same....and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > >                  Yogesh Lajmi

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > >

> > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > >

> > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord

of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively.

...! "

> > > >

> > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant

,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > >

> > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > >

> > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my

birth time.

> > > >>

> > > >> G. Singh

> > > >>

> > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

> > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary

gain;

> > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > TW

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage

and late

> > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see

from Adith

> > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In

her

> > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true

for some

> > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated

by Moon

> > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith

ji's email.

> > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that

give

> > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only

bring

> > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should

do this

> > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the

source as

> > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will

always remain

> > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded

in

> > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj,

aspt or opp

> > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III

p 205 (Old

> > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay

but

> > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let

us know to

> > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to

6th and

> > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present

the result to

> > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic.

To get a

> > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma

Gandhi

> > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16),

King of

> > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

having a

> > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the

dasa of

> > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned

from his grand

> > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter

for death.

> > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > TW

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart

under

> > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage "

is

> > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > >> > > > Punit

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > >> > > > very

> > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > > >> > > > quite

> > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt

on delaying

> > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which

shows

> > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the

birth

> > > >> > > > details

> > > >> > > > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the

said point

> > > >> > > > seems

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion.

Sat being

> > > >> > > > 7th

> > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are

many points

> > > >> > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in

sat sign

> > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > >> > > > we

> > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1

> > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out

by Sunil

> > > >> > > > ji,

> > > >> > > > > > I

> > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/

love

> > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many

charts who

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on

pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question

of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved

when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL

Sun is lord

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the

star level

> > > >> > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is

again in

> > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord

> > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10,

the

> > > >> > > > marraige

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on

few cases

> > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable

in many

> > > >> > > > cases.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > >> > > > which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's

study

> > > >> > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with

Rahu.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just

9mts

> > > >> > > > crossed

> > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > > >> > > > in 11

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > > >> > > > > > your

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present,

the

> > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn

and the lord

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present),

she got

> > > >> > > > married

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy

> > > >> > > > marital

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have

many

> > > >> > > > experieced

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects

the native..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so

no

> > > >> > > > stability

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during

the dasa

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter

star.. again a

> > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL

> > > >> > > > signifies

> > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However

this 7CSL

> > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > > >> > > > with

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will

have some

> > > >> > > > effect

> > > >> > > > > > on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative).

What I

> > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect,

as

> > > >> > > > experienced

> > > >> > > > > > by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may

not be

> > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am

wrong.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally

and get

> > > >> > > > his

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same

even now.

> > > >> > > > He

> > > >> > > > > > has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those

> > > >> > > > articles.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > > >> > > > If

> > > >> > > > > > you

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization

of

> > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > >> > > > View

> > > >> > > > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub

lord shani

> > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means

if 7csl is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet

then

> > > >> > > > aspected

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > > >> > > > well

> > > >> > > > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage..

As we see

> > > >> > > > that

> > > >> > > > > > when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay

to a

> > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well

as it is

> > > >> > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > having

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in

this

> > > >> > > > case,

> > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > >> > > > an

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > >> > > > with

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to

> > > >> > > > 7th

> > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > > >> > > > reasons

> > > >> > > > > > which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision,

The

> > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

..........7CSL Sat

> > > >> > > > aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of

Sunil ji's

> > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords

aspect Pluto

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune

is not yet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

.........but pluto

> > > >> > > > gives

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > > >> > > > we

> > > >> > > > > > say

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale?

This is

> > > >> > > > based

> > > >> > > > > > on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that

Pluto has

> > > >> > > > negative

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number

of cases

> > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > > >> > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > > >> > > > This

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved

by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September

27,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > -

> > > >> > > > > > View

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about

DBA or star

> > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on

Pluto to deny

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for

the house

> > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether

Sunil ji

> > > >> > > > has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is

not found

> > > >> > > > in KP

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of

such a small

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such

kind of idea

> > > >> > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials -

View from

> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 16123

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 16114

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 14157

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be

more

> > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about

248 years

> > > >> > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only

9 out of

> > > >> > > > 27

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > > >> > > > its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of

Hindu God

> > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins

to bring

> > > >> > > > deep

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first

step is

> > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit

Page 477). "

> > > >> > > > > > This

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto

and Neptune

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > >> > > > such

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not

based on

> > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there

is no

> > > >> > > > research

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of

is

> > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > > >> > > > correct

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji

that he has

> > > >> > > > > > come

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > > >> > > > for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials

- View

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey

Green, his

> > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > > >> > > > Green

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange

the mystery

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution.

A positive

> > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > >> > > > page

> > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for

the 2, 7 and

> > > >> > > > 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below

to be the

> > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

houses.

> > > >> > > > Hence

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > >> > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > >> > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto

is not

> > > >> > > > wholly

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results

of that

> > > >> > > > planet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates

power

> > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune

in the

> > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by

karma to

> > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation

of the AA

> > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause

of no

> > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

Judith

> > > >> > > > Hill

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this

> > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a

couple of

> > > >> > > > > > write

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik

issue )on

> > > >> > > > effect

> > > >> > > > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> > > >> > > > had

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > his

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > >> > > > extra

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > >> > > > these

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects

are

> > > >> > > > considered.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > > >> > > > > > results

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about

pluto

> > > >> > > > effects

> > > >> > > > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008

issue and i

> > > >> > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > got

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@

....

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43

AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.

> > > >> > > > Out of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in

close

> > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the

lord of

> > > >> > > > 8.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

planet in

> > > >> > > > its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > >> > > > > > being

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in

11.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of

6,10, the

> > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > >> > > > it

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in

its star)

> > > >> > > > .

> > > >> > > > > > But

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as

bad, as it

> > > >> > > > may

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > > >> > > > countries.

> > > >> > > > > > But

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included

below]

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a

screen

> > > >> > > > shot in

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> > > >> > > > cusp

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa.

Its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > >> > > > also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > > >> > > > will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason

for bad

> > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After

that it is

> > > >> > > > bad

> > > >> > > > > > .

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra

)=

> > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say

that 10th

> > > >> > > > sub

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09

AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > >> > > > > > your

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > >> > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart

for this

> > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working

on a

> > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

couple of

> > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his

life. When

> > > >> > > > i

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i

was 100%

> > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to

find any

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can

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> > > >> > > > how

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> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

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Dear Friends,

 

1. Adding a constant difference of 6min-05sec from Lahiri to KP Old

Ayanamsa to get the KPOA or adding a constant difference of 23.5188 sec

from KP Old Ayanamsa to KP New Ayanamsa to get the KPNA does not give

the correct ayanamsa value because these two differences are not

constant depending on year and date due to the different formulas and

annual precession rate and annual precession rate adjustment. (A REVIEW

OF KP AYANAMSAS.doc , REVISIT OF KPA.doc in File section) .

2. The correct way is, as posted earlier, to get the KPNA each and every

time from the Punit ji's http://www.astrosage.com/ and apply it

appropriately.

/message/28094

Regards,

TW

, Amit Soman <amitbs2002 wrote:

>

> Dear Bohraji

>

> Its not always the same figure . I am pretty sure abouth this. The

value varies between 21 & 23 secs, depends on what year you are looking

for. Offcourse i am always matching the astrosage / Mykundali value.

>

> Regards

> Amit

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Sudan msbohra62

>

> Mon, October 5, 2009 10:45:56 AM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

>

>

> Dear Amit ji,

>

> If we ,in setting of Jhora,add 23.5188 Seconds to KPA of JHora it will

give as NKPA,you can try it.Where in the forum Tiwinji have compared

some software and JHora is giving perfectly result.

>

> Once we clear the doubts than we can use confidently any software.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohraji

> >

> > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage /

Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with

almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> >

> > Regards

> > Amit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ ...>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> >

> > Dear Sudan,

> > I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use

Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur'

s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be

too much of a difference

> > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that

the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's

correctness. ..

> > Yogesh Lajmi

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >Sudan msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >@gro ups.com

> > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > >

> > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > >

> > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the

sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and

sub-lord respectively. ..! "

> > >

> > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of

Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > >

> > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > >

> > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >

> > >M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified

my birth time.

> > >>

> > >> G. Singh

> > >>

> > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > >> >

> > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the

very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn

something practically by discussion in the forum.

> > >> >

> > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > >> >

> > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage

and seperation

> > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status

(possibly by lottery gain?)

> > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got

big money

> > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time

monetary gain;

> > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very

passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while

studying abroad getting schorlarship;

> > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start

of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > >> >

> > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > >> >

> > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > >> > TW

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > >> > >

> > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early

marriage and late

> > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can

see from Adith

> > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that

early. In her

> > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is

not true for some

> > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well

negated by Moon

> > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from

Adith ji's email.

> > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the

planet that give

> > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well

as KP.

> > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth

details before

> > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not

only bring

> > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer

should do this

> > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information

with the source as

> > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that.

If an

> > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions

will always remain

> > >> > > non-reliable.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

uploaded in

> > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do

not really

> > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by

conj, aspt or opp

> > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP

Reader III p 205 (Old

> > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for

delay but

> > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference,

pl let us know to

> > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji,

due to 6th and

> > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and

present the result to

> > >> > > > the forum.

> > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in

Vedic. To get a

> > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12),

Mahatma Gandhi

> > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis

(16), King of

> > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of

any native,

> > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification

other than having a

> > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in

the dasa of

> > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in

the chart, BV

> > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as

learned from his grand

> > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.

> > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies

6th of partner's

> > >> > > > walking out.

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > >> > > > TW

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the

chart under

> > >> > > > discussion,

> > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in

Marriage " is

> > >> > > > uploaded in

> > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > >> > > > > > TW

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > >> > > > Punit

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > >> > > > very

> > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo

is something

> > >> > > > quite

> > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any

doubt on delaying

> > >> > > > > > nature

> > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor

of the marriage

> > >> > > > > > delay.

> > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results

which shows

> > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either

the birth

> > >> > > > details

> > >> > > > > > have

> > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even

with post-mortem

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your

doubts.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of

the said point

> > >> > > > seems

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

conclusion. Sat being

> > >> > > > 7th

> > >> > > > > > CSL

> > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there

are many points

> > >> > > > have

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and

Moon in sat sign

> > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo

> > >> > > > > > also. But

> > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > >> > > > we

> > >> > > > > > have to

> > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she

is our Quiz # 1

> > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey

punitp@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As

pointed out by Sunil

> > >> > > > ji,

> > >> > > > > > I

> > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early

marriage/ love

> > >> > > > marriage/

> > >> > > > > > happy

> > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level

signify

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in

many charts who

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not

in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line

of thinking

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect

on pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto

aspect diff.is more

> > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no

question of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she

loved when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn

gives

> > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th

CSL Sun is lord

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6

(no planet in 6)

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > sat

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by

the star level

> > >> > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2)

who is again in

> > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7

signfications by sublord

> > >> > > > > > present,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to

6,10, the

> > >> > > > marraige

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr.

Rath on few cases

> > >> > > > > > study,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not

favorable in many

> > >> > > > cases.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > >> > > > which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the

Dr.Rath's study

> > >> > > > charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for

moe analysis.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2)

along with Rahu.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12

(just 9mts

> > >> > > > crossed

> > >> > > > > > 11th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn.

*so strongly

> > >> > > > > > signfies

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2

and 11 posited

> > >> > > > in 11

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the

star of Jupiter (as

> > >> > > > > > your

> > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications

present, the

> > >> > > > > > signfications

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7

Saturn and the lord

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is

present), she got

> > >> > > > married

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is

running a happy

> > >> > > > marital

> > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil

gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i

have many

> > >> > > > experieced

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune

effects the native..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9

houses so no

> > >> > > > stability

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss

during the dasa

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is

still unmarried.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in

Jupiter star.. again a

> > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash

Ektare <

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised

if 7CSL

> > >> > > > signifies

> > >> > > > > > any of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8.

However this 7CSL

> > >> > > > > > (which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL

is connected

> > >> > > > with

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely

will have some

> > >> > > > effect

> > >> > > > > > on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or

negative). What I

> > >> > > > > > understood

> > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative

effect, as

> > >> > > > experienced

> > >> > > > > > by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances

marriage may not be

> > >> > > > > > promised

> > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I

am wrong.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji

personally and get

> > >> > > > his

> > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the

same even now.

> > >> > > > He

> > >> > > > > > has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the

magazine " Nakshatrache

> > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have

read those

> > >> > > > articles.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be

found in archive.

> > >> > > > If

> > >> > > > > > you

> > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

non-materialization of

> > >> > > > marriage I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com

<%

> > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > >> > > > View

> > >> > > > > > from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal

sub lord shani

> > >> > > > > > aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by

other planet,

> > >> > > > > > aspected

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets.

Means if 7csl is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other

planet then

> > >> > > > aspected

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp

or primary as

> > >> > > > well

> > >> > > > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by

> > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of

marriage. As we see

> > >> > > > that

> > >> > > > > > when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause

delay to a

> > >> > > > > > considerable

> > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as

well as it is

> > >> > > > not

> > >> > > > > > having

> > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL

saturn, in this

> > >> > > > case,

> > >> > > > > > pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > >> > > > an

> > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli

and I delighted

> > >> > > > with

> > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no

connecton of pluto to

> > >> > > > 7th

> > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will

be another

> > >> > > > reasons

> > >> > > > > > which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

Astrovision, The

> > >> > > > SCientific

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > >> > > > aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > DBA

> > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding

of Sunil ji's

> > >> > > > > > principle

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA

lords aspect Pluto

> > >> > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of

neptune is not yet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > >> > > > gives

> > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this

point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > >> > > > we

> > >> > > > > > say

> > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the

rationale? This is

> > >> > > > based

> > >> > > > > > on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed

that Pluto has

> > >> > > > negative

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient

number of cases

> > >> > > > > > should be

> > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When

shadow planets such

> > >> > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets

Pluto, Neptune,

> > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to

alter/reverse the effects.

> > >> > > > This

> > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if

proved by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday,

September 27,

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re:

Query on financials

> > >> > > > -

> > >> > > > > > View

> > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing

about DBA or star

> > >> > > > > > lord

> > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect

on Pluto to deny

> > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite

result for the house

> > >> > > > > > (there

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to

give no marriage

> > >> > > > > > instead

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not

give marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify

whether Sunil ji

> > >> > > > has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely

malefic is not found

> > >> > > > in KP

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale

of such a small

> > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets.

Such kind of idea

> > >> > > > is

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > >> > > > > > confirms

> > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11

AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on

financials - View from

> > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 16123

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 16114

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 14157

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com,

Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > >> > > > > > effects of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It

would be more

> > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every

constellation rather than

> > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes

about 248 years

> > >> > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed

only 9 out of

> > >> > > > 27

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough

data for analyzing

> > >> > > > its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August

2009 Honorable

> > >> > > > TW ji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that

of Hindu God

> > >> > > > Shiva,

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it

begins to bring

> > >> > > > deep

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the

first step is

> > >> > > > > > destruction

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in

Transit Page 477). "

> > >> > > > > > This

> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of

Pluto and Neptune

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar

has experienced

> > >> > > > such

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is

not based on

> > >> > > > Pluto's

> > >> > > > > > (or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as

there is no

> > >> > > > research

> > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place

in Vimshottari

> > >> > > > Dasha

> > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can

think of is

> > >> > > > conjunction

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course

within prescribed

> > >> > > > orb). I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether

my concept is

> > >> > > > correct

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil

Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > >> > > > > > come

> > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to

offer my services

> > >> > > > for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009

12:10:05 PM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on

financials - View

> > >> > > > from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always

Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of

Jeffrey Green, his

> > >> > > > > > daughter

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor,

Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological

chart. Jeffrey

> > >> > > > Green

> > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to

mange the mystery

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive

> > >> > > > > > side of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > >> > > > > > profession is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays

on Astrology,

> > >> > > > page

> > >> > > > > > 46)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus

house-wise appearance of

> > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > >> > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8%

for the 2, 7 and

> > >> > > > 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far

below to be the

> > >> > > > > > cause

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7

and 8 houses.

> > >> > > > Hence

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by

mere appearance

> > >> > > > in

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto

and Relationships

> > >> > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references,

Pluto is not

> > >> > > > wholly

> > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight

points specific

> > >> > > > > > procedure

> > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239.

Pluto is supposed to

> > >> > > > > > magnify

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the

results of that

> > >> > > > planet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the

Pluto-Saturn connection

> > >> > > > > > carries

> > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection

provides success and

> > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > >> > > > benefic.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally

indicates power

> > >> > > > > > struggle

> > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with

possible undesirable

> > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly

Neptune in the

> > >> > > > 7th is

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not

condemned by karma to

> > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An

observation of the AA

> > >> > > > > > charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the

cause of no

> > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with

Pluto's adverse

> > >> > > > > > effects,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring

a minimum of one

> > >> > > > > > hundred

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as

mentioned by Judith

> > >> > > > Hill

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji

on this

> > >> > > > horoscope

> > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also

remember a couple of

> > >> > > > > > write

> > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009

Vasantik issue )on

> > >> > > > effect

> > >> > > > > > of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely

-ve effects . I

> > >> > > > had

> > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for

reminding.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am

pasting the contents

> > >> > > > from

> > >> > > > > > his

> > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > >> > > > extra

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but

i am following

> > >> > > > these

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there

effects are

> > >> > > > considered.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter

also aspecting

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > @4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are

not offering good

> > >> > > > > > results

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive

results

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure

about pluto

> > >> > > > effects

> > >> > > > > > and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali

2008 issue and i

> > >> > > > have

> > >> > > > > > got

> > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k

gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009

2:33:43 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the

lord of 7,8,9.

> > >> > > > Out of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who

is in close

> > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by

satrun the lord of

> > >> > > > 8.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in

> > >> > > > its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12

Mercury. Further

> > >> > > > Mercury

> > >> > > > > > being

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12

in 11.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable

signficators of 6,10, the

> > >> > > > 5(12

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are

not favorable and

> > >> > > > it

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no

planet in its star)

> > >> > > > .

> > >> > > > > > But

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be

taken as bad, as it

> > >> > > > may

> > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related

to foreign

> > >> > > > countries.

> > >> > > > > > But

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman

> > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman

included below]

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am

attaching a screen

> > >> > > > shot in

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33

( i prepare the

> > >> > > > cusp

> > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub

is Sa. Its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > >> > > > also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if

partner is gaining he

> > >> > > > will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the

reason for bad

> > >> > > > > > economic

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09.

After that it is

> > >> > > > bad

> > >> > > > > > .

> > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > >> > > > > > signification

> > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect

(4)(8)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB (

Sat + Ra )=

> > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning

we say that 10th

> > >> > > > sub

> > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we

find 6,10,11 are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

11:05:09 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for

this

> > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > >> > > > > > your

> > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > >> > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT

TOB,the sublord

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the

Moon's starlord and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth

chart for this

> > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 (AT) (DOT)

com>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

6:44:11 PM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on

financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was

working on a

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> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation

for a couple of

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his life. When

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> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable

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> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the

group can point out

> > >> > > > how

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> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

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J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.

Dr. Rath.

 

 

 

Amit Soman <amitbs2002 Sent: Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PMRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

 

 

Dear Bohraji

 

I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

 

Regards

Amit

 

 

 

Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comMon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AMRe: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sudan,

I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference

Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

Yogesh Lajmi--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar@gro ups.comSunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

Dear G.Singh ji,As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-SaMoon : Ve-Me-SaSw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.Thanks,M.S.Bohra@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:>> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > G. Singh> > @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > > > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > > > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > > > 3. Major events are as given under.> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second

time monetary gain;> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > > > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > > > Thanks and regards,> > TW > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > > > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > > > > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and

late> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well

as KP.> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > > non-reliable.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >

>> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > > > study in this regard.> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and

present the result to> > > > the forum.> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of

Jupiter as learned from his grand> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > > > walking out.> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > TW> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is

Saturn> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > > > discussion,> > > > > only sign exchange.> > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >

> > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > > > uploaded in> > > > > > the File section.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > TW> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > > > Punit> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > > > very> > > > > >

> strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > > > quite> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > > > > nature> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > > > > delay.> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > > > details> > > > > > have> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > > > and> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > > > seems> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

conclusion. Sat being> > > > 7th> > > > > > CSL> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > > > have> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > > > > also. But> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > > > we> > > > > > have to> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > > > > > >

also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Adith> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > > > ji,> > > > > > I> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > > > marriage/> > > > > > happy> > > > > > >

>> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > > > are> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > > > > > >>> is not considered..

..also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > >> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > > > of> > > > > > 12 is> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > > > and> > > > > > sat> > > > > > > >>> is> > > >

> > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > > > is> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > > > > Jupiter (> > > > > > > >>> R)> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > > > > present,> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > > > marraige> > > > > > is> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > > > > study,> >

> > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > > > cases.> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > > > which> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > > > charts> > > > > > > >>> which I> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > > > > >

>>> > Female:> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > > > crossed> > > > > > 11th> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in

6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > > > > signfies> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > > > in 11> > > > > > in> > > > > > > >>> its> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > > > > your> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > > >

> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > > > > signfications> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > > > of> > > > > > 5> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > > > married> > > > > > to> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy> > > > marital> > > > > > > >>> life> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > > > > >wrote:> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > > > experieced> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus

Neptune effects the native..> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > > > stability> > > > > > in> > > > > > > >>> job> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > > > > Neptune> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > > > signifies> > > > > > any of> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > > > > (which> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > >

> > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > > > with> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > > > effect> > > > > > on> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > > > > > understood> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > > > experienced> > > > > > by> > > > > > > >>> him in> > > > > > > >>> > >>

many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > > > > promised> > > > > > > >>> due to> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > > > his> > > > > > > >>> personal> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > > > He> > > > > > has> > > > > > > >>> given many> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > > > >

Dene"> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > > > articles.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > > > If> > > > > > you> > > > > > > >>> can> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > > > marriage I> > > > > > > >>> will be> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday,

October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > > > View> > > > > > from> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > >>> planet> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer

the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > > > aspected> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > > > well> > > > > > as> > > > > > > >>> secondary> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > > > > pluto,> > > > > > > >>> then> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > > > that> > >

> > > when> > > > > > > >>> these> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > > > > > considerable> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > > > not> > > > > > having> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > > > case,> > > > > > pluto> > > > > > > >>> is not> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > > > >

Sunilji> > > > > > > >>> has> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > > > an> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > > > with> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > > > 7th> > > > > > cusp.> > > > > > > >>> So not> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > > > reasons> > > > > > which> > > > > > >

>>> we canot> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > > > SCientific> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit :

physics@> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > > > aspects> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > > > of> > > > > > DBA> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > > > > principle> > >

> > > > >>> is even> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > > > the> > > > > > > >>> result is> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > > > > Sunil> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > > > gives> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I>

> > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > > > we> > > > > > say> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > > > based> > > > > > on> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > > > negative> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > > > > should be> > > > > > > >>> studied> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When

shadow planets such> > > > as> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > > > > Uranus> > > > > > > >>> which have> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > > > This> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> >

>> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > > > -> > > > > > View> > > > > > > >>> from> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > >>> theory> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > > > > (there> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > > > > > instead> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would

be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > > > has> > > > > > > >>> found any> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > > > Pluto> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > > > in KP> > > > > > or>

> > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > > > is> > > > > > not> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > >

>>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > > > > confirms> > > > > > > >>> that> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > > > > Sunilji> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups.

/ group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > 16123> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > 16114> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > > 14157> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > > > > effects of> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > > > > appropriate> > > > > > > >>> to> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > > > to> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > > > 27> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > > > its> > > > >

> > >>> effects.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > > > TW ji> > > > > > > >>> says> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > > > Shiva,> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > > > deep> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is>

> > > > > destruction> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > > > > This> > > > > > > >>> shows> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > > > are> > > > > > not> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > > > such> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > > > Pluto's> > > > > > (or> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > > > research> > > > > > > >>> data> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari> > > > Dasha> > > > > > > >>> System..> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > > > conjunction> > > > > > or> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > > > orb). I> > > > > > > >>> would> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > > > correct> > > > > > or> > >

> > > > >>> wrong.> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > > > > come> > > > > > > >>> across> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > > > for> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View>

> > > from> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > > > > 2009)> > > > > > > >>> Western> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > > > > daughter> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,>

> > > Pluto> > > > > > is> > > > > > > >>> known as> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > > > Green> > > > > > > >>> said that> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > > > of> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > > > > side of> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > > > > profession is> > > > > >

> >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > > > page> > > > > > 46)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > > > > Pluto> > > > > > > >>> and> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > > > are> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in

Houses> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> > > > the> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > > > > appearance is> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > > > 8> >

> > > > > >>> houses by> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > > > > cause> > > > > > > >>> of no> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > > > Hence> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > > > in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

Findings> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > > > or> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > > > wholly> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > > > > aspects.> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > > > > procedure> > > > > > > >>> followed> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff

Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > > > > magnify> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > > > planet> > > > > > > >>> always for> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > > > > carries> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > > > > > wealth.> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > > > benefic.>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > > > > struggle> > > > > > > >>> between> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > > > 7th is> > > > > > not> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > > > > relinquish> > > > > > > >>> them> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz

Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > > > > charts> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > > > > marriage.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > > > > effects,> > > > > > > >>> which> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > > > >

hundred> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > > > Hill> > > > > > in> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply

from sunilji on this> > > > horoscope> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > > > > write> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > > > effect> > > > > > of> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > > > had> > > > > > > >>> almost> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > > > from> > > > > > his> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > > > extra> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > > > these> > > > > > >

>>> planets and> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > > > considered.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > > > Pluto> > > > > > @4> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > > > > results> > > > > > > >>> of> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11

bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > > > effects> > > > > > and> > > > > > > >>> when> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > > > have> > > > > > got> > > > > > > >>> many> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > > > Out of> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > > > > cojunction> > > > > > > >>> with the> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord

of> > > > 8.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > > > its> > > > > > > >>> star).> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > > > Mercury> > > > > > being> > > > > > > >>> in> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > > > 5(12>

> > > > > to> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > > > it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > >>> being> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > > > .> > > > > > But> > > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > > > may> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > > > countries.> > > > >

> But> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > > > amitbs2002@> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> > > > shot in> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > > > cusp> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > > > > >

> >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > > > ),11 & 10.> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > > > also> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > > > will> > > > > > > >>> also> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > > > >

economic> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > > > bad> > > > > > .> > > > > > > >>> We see> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > > > > signification> > > > > > > >>> are> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju :

(11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > > > sub> > > > > > > >>> should> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > > > > > >>> signified.

Then> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro

ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > > > time,usingK. P.> > >

> > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > > > > your> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > > > as> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > > > and> > > > > > the> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > > > > TOB...you> > > > > > > >>> will> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > > > horoscope> > > > > > of a> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > > > > > issues> > > > > > > >>> . I> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > > > i> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > > > > wrong on>

> > > > > > >>> the> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > > > how> > > > > > he> > > > > > > >>> is> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > >

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> > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >> <> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > > > ?> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to

get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own

preference.

> Dr. Rath.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Amit Soman <amitbs2002

>

> Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

>

>  

> Dear Bohraji

>

> I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This

worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they

are as good as anbody in the group.

>

> Regards

> Amit

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> @gro ups.com

> Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

>

>  

> Dear Sudan,

>                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa

used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for

best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

>                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of

a difference 

>                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

>                  Yogesh Lajmi

>

> --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

>

>

> >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >@gro ups.com

> >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> >Dear G.Singh ji,

> >

> >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> >

> > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of

the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..! "

> >

> >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is

10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> >

> >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> >

> >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >M.S.Bohra

> >

> >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> >>

> >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth

time.

> >>

> >> G. Singh

> >>

> >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> >> >

> >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> >> >

> >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> >> >

> >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary

gain;

> >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> >> >

> >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks and regards,

> >> > TW

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> >> > >

> >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> >> > >

> >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and

late

> >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from

Adith

> >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for

some

> >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by

Moon

> >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's

email.

> >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my

email

> >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that

give

> >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do

this

> >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the

source as

> >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain

> >> > > non-reliable.

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> >> > >

> >> > > Punit Pandey

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It

has

> >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt

or opp

> >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p

205 (Old

> >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us

know to

> >> > > > study in this regard.

> >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th

and

> >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the

result to

> >> > > > the forum.

> >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To

get a

> >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma

Gandhi

> >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King

of

> >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

having a

> >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa

of

> >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart,

BV

> >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from

his grand

> >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for

death.

> >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation

and

> >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> >> > > > walking out.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> >> > > > TW

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> >> > > > discussion,

> >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> >> > > > uploaded in

> >> > > > > > the File section.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Regards,

> >> > > > > > TW

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com>,

> >> > > > Punit

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. "

seems

> >> > > > very

> >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> >> > > > quite

> >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> >> > > > > > nature

> >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> >> > > > > > delay.

> >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> >> > > > details

> >> > > > > > have

> >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> >> > > > and

> >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said

point

> >> > > > seems

> >> > > > > > to

> >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat

being

> >> > > > 7th

> >> > > > > > CSL

> >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

points

> >> > > > have

> >> > > > > > to

> >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat

sign

> >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> >> > > > > > also. But

> >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay.

may be

> >> > > > we

> >> > > > > > have to

> >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1

> >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Regards

> >> > > > > > > > Adith

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by

Sunil

> >> > > > ji,

> >> > > > > > I

> >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> >> > > > marriage/

> >> > > > > > happy

> >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts

who

> >> > > > are

> >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is

more

> >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> >> > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is

lord

> >> > > > of

> >> > > > > > 12 is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet

in 6)

> >> > > > and

> >> > > > > > sat

> >> > > > > > > >>> is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star

level

> >> > > > is

> >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is

again in

> >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord

> >> > > > > > present,

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> >> > > > marraige

> >> > > > > > is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few

cases

> >> > > > > > study,

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in

many

> >> > > > cases.

> >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's

star*

> >> > > > which

> >> > > > > > > >>> also

> >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's

study

> >> > > > charts

> >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with

Rahu.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> >> > > > crossed

> >> > > > > > 11th

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> >> > > > > > signfies

> >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> >> > > > in 11

> >> > > > > > in

> >> > > > > > > >>> its

> >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> >> > > > > > your

> >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> >> > > > > > signfications

> >> > > > > > > >>> of

> >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and

the lord

> >> > > > of

> >> > > > > > 5

> >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she

got

> >> > > > married

> >> > > > > > to

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy

> >> > > > marital

> >> > > > > > > >>> life

> >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> >> > > > > > >wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> >> > > > experieced

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> >> > > > stability

> >> > > > > > in

> >> > > > > > > >>> job

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the

dasa

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star..

again a

> >> > > > > > Neptune

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> >> > > > signifies

> >> > > > > > any of

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However

this 7CSL

> >> > > > > > (which

> >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> >> > > > with

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have

some

> >> > > > effect

> >> > > > > > on

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What

I

> >> > > > > > understood

> >> > > > > > > >>> from

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> >> > > > experienced

> >> > > > > > by

> >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not

be

> >> > > > > > promised

> >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and

get

> >> > > > his

> >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even

now.

> >> > > > He

> >> > > > > > has

> >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> >> > > > > > Dene "

> >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> >> > > > articles.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> >> > > > If

> >> > > > > > you

> >> > > > > > > >>> can

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> >> > > > marriage I

> >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> >> > > >

> >> > > > > > 40. com>

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> >> > > > View

> >> > > > > > from

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord

shani

> >> > > > > > aspects

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> >> > > > > > aspected

> >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if

7csl is

> >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet

then

> >> > > > aspected

> >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary

as

> >> > > > well

> >> > > > > > as

> >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> >> > > > > > pluto,

> >> > > > > > > >>> then

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we

see

> >> > > > that

> >> > > > > > when

> >> > > > > > > >>> these

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> >> > > > > > considerable

> >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it

is

> >> > > > not

> >> > > > > > having

> >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in

this

> >> > > > case,

> >> > > > > > pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

Though,

> >> > > > > > Sunilji

> >> > > > > > > >>> has

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As

I had

> >> > > > an

> >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> >> > > > with

> >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto

to

> >> > > > 7th

> >> > > > > > cusp.

> >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> >> > > > reasons

> >> > > > > > which

> >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> >> > > > SCientific

> >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,

India

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL

Sat

> >> > > > aspects

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> >> > > > of

> >> > > > > > DBA

> >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil

ji's

> >> > > > > > principle

> >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #

> >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage

also Mr.

> >> > > > > > Sunil

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is

not yet

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but

pluto

> >> > > > gives

> >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> >> > > > we

> >> > > > > > say

> >> > > > > > > >>> that

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This

is

> >> > > > based

> >> > > > > > on

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto

has

> >> > > > negative

> >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

cases

> >> > > > > > should be

> >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets

such

> >> > > > as

> >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> >> > > > > > Uranus

> >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> >> > > > This

> >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> >> > > > -

> >> > > > > > View

> >> > > > > > > >>> from

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA

or star

> >> > > > > > lord

> >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16123

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny

> >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16114

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the

house

> >> > > > > > (there

> >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> >> > > > > > instead

> >> > > > > > > >>> of

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

14157

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether

Sunil ji

> >> > > > has

> >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations

of

> >> > > > Pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not

found

> >> > > > in KP

> >> > > > > > or

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a

small

> >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind

of idea

> >> > > > is

> >> > > > > > not

> >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation.

This

> >> > > > > > confirms

> >> > > > > > > >>> that

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects

of DBAS

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View

from

> >> > > > > > Sunilji

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> >> > > > 16123

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> >> > > > 16114

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> >> > > > 14157

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying

the

> >> > > > > > effects of

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be

more

> >> > > > > > appropriate

> >> > > > > > > >>> to

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248

years

> >> > > > to

> >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses

each

> >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9

out of

> >> > > > 27

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> >> > > > its

> >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> >> > > > TW ji

> >> > > > > > > >>> says

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu

God

> >> > > > Shiva,

> >> > > > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to

bring

> >> > > > deep

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step

is

> >> > > > > > destruction

> >> > > > > > > >>> of

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page

477). "

> >> > > > > > This

> >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and

Neptune

> >> > > > are

> >> > > > > > not

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> >> > > > such

> >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> >> > > > Pluto's

> >> > > > > > (or

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is

no

> >> > > > research

> >> > > > > > > >>> data

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> >> > > > Dasha

> >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> >> > > > conjunction

> >> > > > > > or

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> >> > > > orb). I

> >> > > > > > > >>> would

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept

is

> >> > > > correct

> >> > > > > > or

> >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that

he has

> >> > > > > > come

> >> > > > > > > >>> across

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> >> > > > for

> >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials -

View

> >> > > > from

> >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> >> > > > > > 2009)

> >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green,

his

> >> > > > > > daughter

> >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> >> > > > Pluto

> >> > > > > > is

> >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> >> > > > Green

> >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> >> > > > of

> >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> >> > > > > > side of

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> >> > > > > > profession is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> >> > > > page

> >> > > > > > 46)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> >> > > > > > Pluto

> >> > > > > > > >>> and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> >> > > > are

> >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=)

8%. The

> >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different

from

> >> > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> >> > > > > > appearance is

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2,

7 and

> >> > > > 8

> >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to

be the

> >> > > > > > cause

> >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

houses.

> >> > > > Hence

> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> >> > > > in

> >> > > > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> >> > > > or

> >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is

not

> >> > > > wholly

> >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> >> > > > > > aspects.

> >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> >> > > > > > procedure

> >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> >> > > > > > magnify

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of

that

> >> > > > planet

> >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> >> > > > > > carries

> >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success

and

> >> > > > > > wealth.

> >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic

or

> >> > > > benefic.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates

power

> >> > > > > > struggle

> >> > > > > > > >>> between

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in

the

> >> > > > 7th is

> >> > > > > > not

> >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma

to

> >> > > > > > relinquish

> >> > > > > > > >>> them

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of

the AA

> >> > > > > > charts

> >> > > > > > > >>> also

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of

no

> >> > > > > > marriage.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> >> > > > > > effects,

> >> > > > > > > >>> which

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum

of one

> >> > > > > > hundred

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

Judith

> >> > > > Hill

> >> > > > > > in

> >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> >> > > > horoscope

> >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a

couple of

> >> > > > > > write

> >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue

)on

> >> > > > effect

> >> > > > > > of

> >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> >> > > > had

> >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> >> > > > from

> >> > > > > > his

> >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects "

the

> >> > > > extra

> >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> >> > > > these

> >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> >> > > > considered.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3

deg.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> >> > > > Pluto

> >> > > > > > @4

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> >> > > > > > results

> >> > > > > > > >>> of

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about

pluto

> >> > > > effects

> >> > > > > > and

> >> > > > > > > >>> when

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue

and i

> >> > > > have

> >> > > > > > got

> >> > > > > > > >>> many

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.

> >> > > > Out of

> >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> >> > > > > > cojunction

> >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the

lord of

> >> > > > 8.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

planet in

> >> > > > its

> >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> >> > > > Mercury

> >> > > > > > being

> >> > > > > > > >>> in

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of

6,10, the

> >> > > > 5(12

> >> > > > > > to

> >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> >> > > > it

> >> > > > > > is

> >> > > > > > > >>> being

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its

star)

> >> > > > .

> >> > > > > > But

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad,

as it

> >> > > > may

> >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> >> > > > countries.

> >> > > > > > But

> >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> >> > > > amitbs2002@

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a

screen

> >> > > > shot in

> >> > > > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> >> > > > cusp

> >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession

but

> >> > > > also

> >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> >> > > > will

> >> > > > > > > >>> also

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for

bad

> >> > > > > > economic

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that

it is

> >> > > > bad

> >> > > > > > .

> >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> >> > > > > > signification

> >> > > > > > > >>> are

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that

10th

> >> > > > sub

> >> > > > > > > >>> should

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11

are

> >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> >> > > > > > your

> >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord

of II

> >> > > > as

> >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> >> > > > and

> >> > > > > > the

> >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for

this

> >> > > > > > TOB...you

> >> > > > > > > >>> will

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> >> > > > horoscope

> >> > > > > > of a

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

couple of

> >> > > > > > issues

> >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life.

When

> >> > > > i

> >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was

100%

> >> > > > > > wrong on

> >> > > > > > > >>> the

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find

any

> >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can

point out

> >> > > > how

> >> > > > > > he

> >> > > > > > > >>> is

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Respected Sir,

The following are the steps: -

1. Click on 'Preferences'.

2.Go to 'Related to calculations'.

3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

4.Select 'Tropical(sayana)" ayanamsa.

5. In 'customize further' box-

a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

b) Select 'Add'.

c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

6. Finally click OK.

It is done.

 

Due regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

 

TW <tw853 Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Friend,Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.Thanks and regards,TW @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.> Dr. Rath.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM> Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar>

> > Dear Bohraji> > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > Regards> Amit > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> @gro ups.com> Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > Dear Sudan,> I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...> Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> Yogesh Lajmi> > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> >@gro ups.com> >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> >> >> > > >>

>Dear G.Singh ji,> >> >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-> >> >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> >> >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?> >> >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> >> >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> >> >Thanks,> >> >M.S.Bohra> >> >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> >>> >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> >> > >> G. Singh> >> > >> @gro ups.com, "TW"

<tw853@> wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> >> > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> >> > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > >> > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money> >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > >> > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> >> > > >> > Thanks and regards,> >> > TW > >> > > >> > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > >> >> > > Dear Tw ji,> >> > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> >>

> > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late> >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> >> > > only when you said Sunil

ji in point no. 3.> >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> >> > > non-reliable.> >> > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> >> > >

> >> > > Punit Pandey> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> >> > > > >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > > >> >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> >> > > >

Edition Practical Part p 49.> >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> >> > > > study in this regard.> >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> >> > > > the forum.> >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King

of> >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> >> >

> > walking out.> >> > > >> >> > > > Thanks and regards,> >> > > > TW> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> >> > > > >> >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> >> > > >

discussion,> >> > > > > only sign exchange.> >> > > > >> >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> >> > > > >> >> > > > > Punit Pandey> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> >> > > > uploaded in> >> > > > > >

the File section.> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Regards,> >> > > > > > TW> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> >> > > > Punit> >> > > >> >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> >> > > > very> >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> >> > > > quite> >> > > > > > > tested by

this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> >> > > > > > nature> >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> >> > > > > > delay.> >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> >> > > > details> >> > > > > > have> >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> >> > > > and> >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> >> >

> > > > >> >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> >> > > > seems> >> > > >

> > to> >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> >> > > > 7th> >> > > > > > CSL> >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> >> > > > have> >> > > > > > to> >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> >> > > > > > also. But> >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> >> > > > we> >> > > > > > have to> >> > > > > > > > study the

other factors also.> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Regards> >> > > > > > > > Adith> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> Do you

know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> >> > > > ji,> >> > > > > > I> >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> >> > > > marriage/> >> > > > > > happy> >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> >> > > >

> > > >>> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,> >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> >> > > > are> >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> >> > > > > > > >>>

natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > >

>>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ >

wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> >> > > > of> >> > > > > > 12 is> >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> >> > > > and> >> > > > > > sat> >> > > > > > > >>> is> >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> >> > > > is> >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> >> > > >

> > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> >> > > > > > Jupiter (> >> > > > > > > >>> R)> >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> >> > > > > > present,> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> >> > > > marraige> >> > > > > > is> >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> >> > > > > > study,> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> >

signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> >> > > > cases.> >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> >> > > > which> >> > > > > > > >>> also> >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> >> > > > charts> >> > > > > > > >>> which I> >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> >> > > > > >

> >>> > Female:> >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> >> > > > crossed>

>> > > > > > 11th> >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> >> > > > > > signfies> >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> >> > > > in 11> >> > > > > > in> >> > > > > > > >>> its> >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> >> > > > > > your> >> > > > > > >

>>> case)*> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> >> > > > > > signfications> >> > > > > > > >>> of> >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> >> > > > of> >> > > > > > 5> >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> >> > > >

married> >> > > > > > to> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> >> > > > marital> >> > > > > > > >>> life> >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> >> > > > > > > >>>

>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> >> > > > > > >wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> >> > > > experieced> >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> >> > >

> > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> >> > > > stability> >> > > > > > in> >> > > > > > > >>> job> >> > > > >

> > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> >> > > > > > Neptune> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> >> > > > signifies> >> > > > > > any of> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> >> > > > > > (which> >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected> >> > > > with> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> >> > > > effect> >> > > > > > on> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> >> > > > > > understood> >> > > > > > > >>> from> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> >> > > > experienced> >> > > > > > by> >> > > > > > > >>> him in> >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> >> > > > > > promised> >> > > > > > > >>> due to> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> >> > > > his> >> > > > > > > >>> personal> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> >> > > > He> >> > > > > > has> >> > > > > > > >>> given many> >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> >> > > > > > Dene"> >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> >> > > > articles.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> >> > > > If> >> > > > > > you> >> > > > > > > >>> can> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> >> > > > marriage I> >> > > > > > >

>>> will be> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> >> > > >> >> > > > > > 40.

com>> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> >> > > > View> >> > > > > > from> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> >> > > > > > aspects> >>

> > > > > > >>> Pluto.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> >> > > > > > aspected> >> > > > > > > >>> planet> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> >> > > > aspected> >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> >> > > > well> >> > > > > >

as> >> > > > > > > >>> secondary> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> >> > > > > > pluto,> >> > > > > > > >>> then> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> >> > > > that> >> > > > > > when> >> > > > > > > >>> these> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> >> > > > > > considerable> >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its

own as well as it is> >> > > > not> >> > > > > > having> >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> >> > > > case,> >> > > > > > pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> is not> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> >> > > > > > Sunilji> >> > > > > > > >>> has> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> >> > > > an> >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> >> > > > with> >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> >> > > > 7th> >> > > > > > cusp.> >> > > > > > > >>> So not> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> >> > > > reasons> >> > > > > > which> >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> >> > > > SCientific> >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08

+0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> >> > > > aspects> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> >> > > > of> >> > > > > > DBA> >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> >> > > > > > principle> >>

> > > > > > >>> is even> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> >> > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> result is> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> >> > > > > > Sunil> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto>

>> > > > gives> >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> >> > > > we> >> > > > > > say> >> > > > > > > >>> that> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> >> > > > based> >> > > > > > on> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> >> > > > negative> >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

cases> >> > > > > > should be> >> > > > > > > >>> studied> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> >> > > > as> >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> >> > > > > > Uranus> >> > > > > > > >>> which have> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> >> > > > This> >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea

part of KP if proved by> >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> >> > > > -> >> > > > > > View> >> > > > > > > >>> from> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>>

>> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> >> > > > > > lord> >> > > > > > > >>> theory> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> >> > > > > > (there> >> > > > > > > >>> 11th> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> >> > > > > > instead> >> > > > > > > >>> of> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> >> > > > > > > >>> >

>>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> >> > > > has> >> > > > > > > >>> found any> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> >> > > > Pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> >> > > > in KP> >> > > > > > or> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> >> > > > is> >> > > > > > not> >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> >> > > > > > confirms> >> > > > > > > >>> that> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> >> > > > > > Sunilji> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> >> > > > 16123> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> >> > > > 16114> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> >> > > > 14157> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> >> > > > > > effects of> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> >> > > > > > appropriate> >> > > > > > > >>> to> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than> >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> >> > > > to> >> > > > > > > >>> complete one> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> >> > > > 27> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> >> > > > its> >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> >> > > > TW ji> >> > > > > > > >>> says> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> >> > > >

Shiva,> >> > > > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> >> > > > deep> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> >> > > > > > destruction> >> > > > > > > >>> of> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> >> > > > > > This> >> > > >

> > > >>> shows> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> >> > > > are> >> > > > > > not> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> >> > > > such> >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> >> > > > Pluto's> >> > > > > > (or> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> >> > > > research> >> > > > > > > >>> data> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> >> > > > Dasha> >> > > > > > > >>> System..> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how>

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> >> > > > conjunction> >> > > > > > or> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> >> > > > orb). I> >> > > > > > > >>> would> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> >> > > > correct> >> > > > > > or> >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> >> > > > >

> > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> >> > > > > > come> >> > > > > > > >>> across> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> >> > > > for> >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> >> > > > from> >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> >> > > > > > 2009)> >> > > > > > > >>> Western> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> >> >

> > > > daughter> >> > > > > > > >>> Deva> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> >> > > > Pluto> >> > > > > > is> >> > > > > > > >>> known as> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> >> > > > Green> >> > > > > > > >>> said that> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> >> > > > of> >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive> >> > > > > > side of> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> >> > > > > > profession is> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> >> > > > page> >> > > > > > 46)> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> >> > > > > > Pluto> >> > > > > > >

>>> and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> >> > > > are> >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The>

>> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> >> > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> >> > > > > > appearance is> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> >> > > > 8> >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> >> > > > > > cause> >> > > > > > >

>>> of no> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> >> > > > Hence> >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> >> > > > in> >> > > > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> >>

> > > or> >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> >> > > > wholly> >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> >> > > > > > aspects.> >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> >> > > > > > procedure> >> > > > > > > >>> followed> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed

to> >> > > > > > magnify> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> >> > > > planet> >> > > > > > > >>> always for> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> >> > > > > > carries> >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> >> > > > > > wealth.> >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is

wholly malefic or> >> > > > benefic.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> >> > > > > > struggle> >> > > > > > > >>> between> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> >> > > > 7th is> >> > > > > > not> >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> >> > >

> > > relinquish> >> > > > > > > >>> them> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> >> > > > > > charts> >> > > > > > > >>> also> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> >> > > > > > marriage.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> >>

> > > > > effects,> >> > > > > > > >>> which> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> >> > > > > > hundred> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> >> > > > Hill> >> > > > > > in> >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> >> > > > horoscope> >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> >> > > > > > write> >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> >> > > > effect> >>

> > > > > of> >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> >> > > > had> >> > > > > > > >>> almost> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> >> > > > from> >> > > > > > his> >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> >> > > > extra> >> > > > > > > >>> planetary> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> >> > > > these> >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> >> > > > considered.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> >> > > > Pluto> >> > > > > > @4> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> >> > > > > > results> >> > > > > > > >>> of> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i

seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> >> > > > effects> >> > > > > > and> >> > > > > > > >>> when> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> >> > > > have> >> > > > > > got> >> > > > > > > >>> many> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> >> > > > Out of> >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> >> > > > > > cojunction> >> > > > > > > >>> with the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> >> > > > 8.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> >> > > > its> >> > > > > > > >>> star).> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> >> > > > Mercury> >> > > > > > being> >> > > > > > > >>> in> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.>

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> >> > > > 5(12> >> > > > > > to> >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> >> > > > it> >> > > > > > is> >> > > > > > > >>> being> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> >> > > > .> >> > > > > > But> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as

bad, as it> >> > > > may> >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> >> > > > countries.> >> > > > > > But> >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23,

2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> >> > > > amitbs2002@> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen> >> > > > shot in> >> > > > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> >> > > > cusp> >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> >> > > > ),11 & 10.> >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but>

>> > > > also> >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> >> > > > will> >> > > > > > > >>> also> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> >> > > > > > economic> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> >> > > > bad> >> > > > > > .> >> > > > > > > >>> We see> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> >> > > > > > signification> >> > > > > > > >>> are> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of

Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> >> > > > sub> >> > > > > > > >>> should> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > >@gro ups.com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> >> > > > time,usingK. P.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> >> > > > > > your> >> > > > > > > >>> analysis> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> >> > > > as> >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> >> > > > and> >> > > > > > the> >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> >> > > > > > TOB...you> >> > > > > > > >>> will> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM>

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> >> > > > horoscope> >> > > > > > of a> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple

of> >> > > > > > issues> >> > > > > > > >>> . I> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> >> > > > i> >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> >> > > > > > wrong on> >> > > > > > > >>> the> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> >> > > > how> >> > > > > > he> >> > > > > > > >>> is> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> >

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> > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > > > > > >>> >> >> > > > > > > >>>> >> > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Friend,

Thank you for the step by step explanation.

What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Respected Sir,

> The following are the steps: -

> 1. Click on 'Preferences'.

> 2.Go to 'Related to calculations'.

> 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> 5. In 'customize further' box-

>     a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

>     b) Select 'Add'.

>     c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> 6. Finally click OK.

>                 It is done.

>

> Due regards.

> Dr. Rath

>

>  

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> TW <tw853

>

> Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

>  

> Dear Friend,

> Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions

to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own

preference.

> > Dr. Rath.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> >

> >  

> > Dear Bohraji

> >

> > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This

worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they

are as good as anbody in the group.

> >

> > Regards

> > Amit

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > @gro ups.com

> > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> >

> >  

> > Dear Sudan,

> >                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa

used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for

best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> >                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much

of a difference 

> >                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> >                  Yogesh Lajmi

> >

> > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> >

> >

> > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >@gro ups.com

> > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > >

> > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > >

> > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord

of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively.

...! "

> > >

> > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is

10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > >

> > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > >

> > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > >

> > >Thanks,

> > >

> > >M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > >>

> > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth

time.

> > >>

> > >> G. Singh

> > >>

> > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > >> >

> > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > >> >

> > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > >> >

> > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

> > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary

gain;

> > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > >> >

> > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > >> >

> > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > >> > TW

> > >> >

> > >> >

> > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > >> > >

> > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage

and late

> > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from

Adith

> > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In

her

> > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true

for some

> > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by

Moon

> > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's

email.

> > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring

my email

> > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that

give

> > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only

bring

> > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do

this

> > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the

source as

> > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always

remain

> > >> > > non-reliable.

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > >> > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded in

> > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It

has

> > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj,

aspt or opp

> > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III p

205 (Old

> > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay

but

> > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let

us know to

> > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to

6th and

> > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the

result to

> > >> > > > the forum.

> > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To

get a

> > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma

Gandhi

> > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16),

King of

> > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

having a

> > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the

dasa of

> > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from

his grand

> > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter

for death.

> > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > >> > > > walking out.

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > >> > > > TW

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > >> > > > discussion,

> > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

> > >> > > > uploaded in

> > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > >> > > > > > TW

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40.

com>,

> > >> > > > Punit

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. "

seems

> > >> > > > very

> > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > >> > > > quite

> > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on

delaying

> > >> > > > > > nature

> > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > >> > > > > > delay.

> > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the

birth

> > >> > > > details

> > >> > > > > > have

> > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said

point

> > >> > > > seems

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat

being

> > >> > > > 7th

> > >> > > > > > CSL

> > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many

points

> > >> > > > have

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in

sat sign

> > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > >> > > > > > also. But

> > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay.

may be

> > >> > > > we

> > >> > > > > > have to

> > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1

> > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out

by Sunil

> > >> > > > ji,

> > >> > > > > > I

> > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/

love

> > >> > > > marriage/

> > >> > > > > > happy

> > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many

charts who

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on

pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question

of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun

is lord

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > sat

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star

level

> > >> > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is

again in

> > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord

> > >> > > > > > present,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10,

the

> > >> > > > marraige

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few

cases

> > >> > > > > > study,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in

many

> > >> > > > cases.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's

star*

> > >> > > > which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's

study

> > >> > > > charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with

Rahu.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just

9mts

> > >> > > > crossed

> > >> > > > > > 11th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > >> > > > > > signfies

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > >> > > > in 11

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > >> > > > > > your

> > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present,

the

> > >> > > > > > signfications

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and

the lord

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she

got

> > >> > > > married

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy

> > >> > > > marital

> > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have

many

> > >> > > > experieced

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects

Neptune

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the

native..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > >> > > > stability

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during

the dasa

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star..

again a

> > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > >> > > > signifies

> > >> > > > > > any of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However

this 7CSL

> > >> > > > > > (which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > >> > > > with

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have

some

> > >> > > > effect

> > >> > > > > > on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative).

What I

> > >> > > > > > understood

> > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > >> > > > experienced

> > >> > > > > > by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may

not be

> > >> > > > > > promised

> > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am

wrong.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally

and get

> > >> > > > his

> > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same

even now.

> > >> > > > He

> > >> > > > > > has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > >> > > > articles.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > >> > > > If

> > >> > > > > > you

> > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization

of

> > >> > > > marriage I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@

>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > >> > > > View

> > >> > > > > > from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord

shani

> > >> > > > > > aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > >> > > > > > aspected

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if

7csl is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet

then

> > >> > > > aspected

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > >> > > > well

> > >> > > > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As

we see

> > >> > > > that

> > >> > > > > > when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to

a

> > >> > > > > > considerable

> > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as

it is

> > >> > > > not

> > >> > > > > > having

> > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in

this

> > >> > > > case,

> > >> > > > > > pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results.

Though,

> > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto,

As I had

> > >> > > > an

> > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > >> > > > with

> > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to

> > >> > > > 7th

> > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > >> > > > reasons

> > >> > > > > > which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision,

The

> > >> > > > SCientific

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr

a, India

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > >> > > > aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage

question

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > DBA

> > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil

ji's

> > >> > > > > > principle

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords

aspect Pluto

> > >> > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage

also Mr.

> > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune is

not yet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > >> > > > gives

> > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > >> > > > we

> > >> > > > > > say

> > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale?

This is

> > >> > > > based

> > >> > > > > > on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto

has

> > >> > > > negative

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of

cases

> > >> > > > > > should be

> > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > >> > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > >> > > > This

> > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September

27,

> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > >> > > > -

> > >> > > > > > View

> > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA

or star

> > >> > > > > > lord

> > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16123

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto

to deny

> > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

16114

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for

the house

> > >> > > > > > (there

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > >> > > > > > instead

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

14157

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether

Sunil ji

> > >> > > > has

> > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations

of

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not

found

> > >> > > > in KP

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such

a small

> > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind

of idea

> > >> > > > is

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation.

This

> > >> > > > > > confirms

> > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects

of DBAS

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials -

View from

> > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 16123

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 16114

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > >> > > > 14157

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > >> > > > > > effects of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be

more

> > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248

years

> > >> > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9

out of

> > >> > > > 27

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > >> > > > its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > >> > > > TW ji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu

God

> > >> > > > Shiva,

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins

to bring

> > >> > > > deep

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step

is

> > >> > > > > > destruction

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit

Page 477). "

> > >> > > > > > This

> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and

Neptune

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > >> > > > such

> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based

on

> > >> > > > Pluto's

> > >> > > > > > (or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is

no

> > >> > > > research

> > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > >> > > > Dasha

> > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > >> > > > conjunction

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > >> > > > orb). I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > >> > > > correct

> > >> > > > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji

that he has

> > >> > > > > > come

> > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > >> > > > for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials -

View

> > >> > > > from

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green,

his

> > >> > > > > > daughter

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > >> > > > Green

> > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the

mystery

> > >> > > > of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A

positive

> > >> > > > > > side of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > >> > > > > > profession is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > >> > > > page

> > >> > > > > > 46)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > >> > > > are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=)

8%. The

> > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different

from

> > >> > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the

2, 7 and

> > >> > > > 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below

to be the

> > >> > > > > > cause

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

houses.

> > >> > > > Hence

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > >> > > > in

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > >> > > > or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is

not

> > >> > > > wholly

> > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > >> > > > > > procedure

> > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > >> > > > > > magnify

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of

that

> > >> > > > planet

> > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > >> > > > > > carries

> > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic

or

> > >> > > > benefic.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates

power

> > >> > > > > > struggle

> > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune

in the

> > >> > > > 7th is

> > >> > > > > > not

> > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by

karma to

> > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of

the AA

> > >> > > > > > charts

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of

no

> > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > >> > > > > > effects,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > >> > > > > > hundred

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

Judith

> > >> > > > Hill

> > >> > > > > > in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > >> > > > horoscope

> > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a

couple of

> > >> > > > > > write

> > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue

)on

> > >> > > > effect

> > >> > > > > > of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> > >> > > > had

> > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > >> > > > from

> > >> > > > > > his

> > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto Effects "

the

> > >> > > > extra

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > >> > > > these

> > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > >> > > > considered.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within

3 deg.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > >> > > > Pluto

> > >> > > > > > @4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > >> > > > > > results

> > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about

pluto

> > >> > > > effects

> > >> > > > > > and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue

and i

> > >> > > > have

> > >> > > > > > got

> > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.

> > >> > > > Out of

> > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in

close

> > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the

lord of

> > >> > > > 8.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

planet in

> > >> > > > its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > >> > > > Mercury

> > >> > > > > > being

> > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of

6,10, the

> > >> > > > 5(12

> > >> > > > > > to

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > >> > > > it

> > >> > > > > > is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in

its star)

> > >> > > > .

> > >> > > > > > But

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as

bad, as it

> > >> > > > may

> > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > >> > > > countries.

> > >> > > > > > But

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included

below]

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a

screen

> > >> > > > shot in

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> > >> > > > cusp

> > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa.

Its

> > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > >> > > > also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > >> > > > will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason

for bad

> > >> > > > > > economic

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After

that it is

> > >> > > > bad

> > >> > > > > > .

> > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > >> > > > > > signification

> > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra

)=

> > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say

that 10th

> > >> > > > sub

> > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > >> > > > > > your

> > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord

of II

> > >> > > > as

> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > >> > > > and

> > >> > > > > > the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart

for this

> > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on

a

> > >> > > > horoscope

> > >> > > > > > of a

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

couple of

> > >> > > > > > issues

> > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his

life. When

> > >> > > > i

> > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i

was 100%

> > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find

any

> > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can

point out

> > >> > > > how

> > >> > > > > > he

> > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What

are the

> > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, My Friends, it's JHora 7.33 latest version.

Regards,

TW

 

, " TW " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Friend,

> Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > The following are the steps: -

> > 1. Click on 'Preferences'.

> > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations'.

> > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> >     a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> >     b) Select 'Add'.

> >     c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > 6. Finally click OK.

> >                 It is done.

> >

> > Due regards.

> > Dr. Rath

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > TW <tw853@>

> >

> > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> >  

> > Dear Friend,

> > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions

to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own

preference.

> > > Dr. Rath.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Bohraji

> > >

> > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali.

This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW &

they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Amit

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Sudan,

> > >                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> > >                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too

much of a difference 

> > >                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > >                  Yogesh Lajmi

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > >

> > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > >

> > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord

of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively.

...! "

> > > >

> > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant

,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > >

> > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > >

> > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my

birth time.

> > > >>

> > > >> G. Singh

> > > >>

> > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

> > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary

gain;

> > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > TW

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage

and late

> > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see

from Adith

> > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In

her

> > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true

for some

> > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated

by Moon

> > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith

ji's email.

> > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that

give

> > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only

bring

> > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should

do this

> > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the

source as

> > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will

always remain

> > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded

in

> > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj,

aspt or opp

> > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III

p 205 (Old

> > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay

but

> > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let

us know to

> > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to

6th and

> > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present

the result to

> > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic.

To get a

> > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma

Gandhi

> > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16),

King of

> > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

having a

> > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the

dasa of

> > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned

from his grand

> > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter

for death.

> > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > TW

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart

under

> > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage "

is

> > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > >> > > > Punit

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > >> > > > very

> > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > > >> > > > quite

> > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt

on delaying

> > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which

shows

> > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the

birth

> > > >> > > > details

> > > >> > > > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the

said point

> > > >> > > > seems

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion.

Sat being

> > > >> > > > 7th

> > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are

many points

> > > >> > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in

sat sign

> > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > >> > > > we

> > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1

> > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out

by Sunil

> > > >> > > > ji,

> > > >> > > > > > I

> > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/

love

> > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many

charts who

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on

pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question

of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved

when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL

Sun is lord

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the

star level

> > > >> > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is

again in

> > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord

> > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10,

the

> > > >> > > > marraige

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on

few cases

> > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable

in many

> > > >> > > > cases.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > >> > > > which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's

study

> > > >> > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with

Rahu.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just

9mts

> > > >> > > > crossed

> > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > > >> > > > in 11

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > > >> > > > > > your

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present,

the

> > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn

and the lord

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present),

she got

> > > >> > > > married

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy

> > > >> > > > marital

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have

many

> > > >> > > > experieced

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects

the native..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so

no

> > > >> > > > stability

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during

the dasa

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter

star.. again a

> > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL

> > > >> > > > signifies

> > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However

this 7CSL

> > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > > >> > > > with

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will

have some

> > > >> > > > effect

> > > >> > > > > > on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative).

What I

> > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect,

as

> > > >> > > > experienced

> > > >> > > > > > by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may

not be

> > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am

wrong.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally

and get

> > > >> > > > his

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same

even now.

> > > >> > > > He

> > > >> > > > > > has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those

> > > >> > > > articles.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > > >> > > > If

> > > >> > > > > > you

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization

of

> > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > >> > > > View

> > > >> > > > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub

lord shani

> > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means

if 7csl is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet

then

> > > >> > > > aspected

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > > >> > > > well

> > > >> > > > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage.

As we see

> > > >> > > > that

> > > >> > > > > > when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay

to a

> > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well

as it is

> > > >> > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > having

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in

this

> > > >> > > > case,

> > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > >> > > > an

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > >> > > > with

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to

> > > >> > > > 7th

> > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > > >> > > > reasons

> > > >> > > > > > which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision,

The

> > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > >> > > > aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of

Sunil ji's

> > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords

aspect Pluto

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune

is not yet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > >> > > > gives

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > > >> > > > we

> > > >> > > > > > say

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale?

This is

> > > >> > > > based

> > > >> > > > > > on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that

Pluto has

> > > >> > > > negative

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number

of cases

> > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > > >> > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > > >> > > > This

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved

by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September

27,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > -

> > > >> > > > > > View

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about

DBA or star

> > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on

Pluto to deny

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for

the house

> > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether

Sunil ji

> > > >> > > > has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is

not found

> > > >> > > > in KP

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of

such a small

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such

kind of idea

> > > >> > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials -

View from

> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 16123

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 16114

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 14157

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be

more

> > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about

248 years

> > > >> > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only

9 out of

> > > >> > > > 27

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > > >> > > > its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of

Hindu God

> > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins

to bring

> > > >> > > > deep

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first

step is

> > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit

Page 477). "

> > > >> > > > > > This

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto

and Neptune

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > >> > > > such

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not

based on

> > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there

is no

> > > >> > > > research

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of

is

> > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > > >> > > > correct

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji

that he has

> > > >> > > > > > come

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > > >> > > > for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials

- View

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey

Green, his

> > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > > >> > > > Green

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange

the mystery

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution.

A positive

> > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > >> > > > page

> > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for

the 2, 7 and

> > > >> > > > 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below

to be the

> > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

houses.

> > > >> > > > Hence

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > >> > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > >> > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto

is not

> > > >> > > > wholly

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results

of that

> > > >> > > > planet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates

power

> > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune

in the

> > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by

karma to

> > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation

of the AA

> > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause

of no

> > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

Judith

> > > >> > > > Hill

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this

> > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a

couple of

> > > >> > > > > > write

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik

issue )on

> > > >> > > > effect

> > > >> > > > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> > > >> > > > had

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > his

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > >> > > > extra

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > >> > > > these

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects

are

> > > >> > > > considered.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > > >> > > > > > results

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about

pluto

> > > >> > > > effects

> > > >> > > > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008

issue and i

> > > >> > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > got

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@

....

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43

AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.

> > > >> > > > Out of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in

close

> > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the

lord of

> > > >> > > > 8.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

planet in

> > > >> > > > its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > >> > > > > > being

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in

11.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of

6,10, the

> > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > >> > > > it

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in

its star)

> > > >> > > > .

> > > >> > > > > > But

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as

bad, as it

> > > >> > > > may

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > > >> > > > countries.

> > > >> > > > > > But

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included

below]

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a

screen

> > > >> > > > shot in

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> > > >> > > > cusp

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa.

Its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > >> > > > also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > > >> > > > will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason

for bad

> > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After

that it is

> > > >> > > > bad

> > > >> > > > > > .

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra

)=

> > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say

that 10th

> > > >> > > > sub

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09

AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > >> > > > > > your

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > >> > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart

for this

> > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working

on a

> > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

couple of

> > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his

life. When

> > > >> > > > i

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i

was 100%

> > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to

find any

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can

point out

> > > >> > > > how

> > > >> > > > > > he

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs?

What are the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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[Guest guest]

Dear TWji,

 

Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds

section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as " Preferences " than you

will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

 

Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get right

KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

 

Hope it will helpful.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

, " TW " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Friend,

> Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > The following are the steps: -

> > 1. Click on 'Preferences'.

> > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations'.

> > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> >     a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> >     b) Select 'Add'.

> >     c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > 6. Finally click OK.

> >                 It is done.

> >

> > Due regards.

> > Dr. Rath

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > TW <tw853@>

> >

> > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> >  

> > Dear Friend,

> > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions

to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own

preference.

> > > Dr. Rath.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Bohraji

> > >

> > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali.

This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW &

they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Amit

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Sudan,

> > >                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> > >                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too

much of a difference 

> > >                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > >                  Yogesh Lajmi

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > >

> > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > >

> > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord

of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively.

...! "

> > > >

> > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant

,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > >

> > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > >

> > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my

birth time.

> > > >>

> > > >> G. Singh

> > > >>

> > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

> > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary

gain;

> > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > TW

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage

and late

> > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see

from Adith

> > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In

her

> > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true

for some

> > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated

by Moon

> > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith

ji's email.

> > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that

give

> > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only

bring

> > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should

do this

> > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the

source as

> > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will

always remain

> > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded

in

> > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj,

aspt or opp

> > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III

p 205 (Old

> > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay

but

> > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let

us know to

> > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to

6th and

> > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present

the result to

> > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic.

To get a

> > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma

Gandhi

> > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16),

King of

> > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

having a

> > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the

dasa of

> > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned

from his grand

> > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter

for death.

> > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > TW

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart

under

> > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage "

is

> > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > >> > > > Punit

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > >> > > > very

> > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > > >> > > > quite

> > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt

on delaying

> > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which

shows

> > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the

birth

> > > >> > > > details

> > > >> > > > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the

said point

> > > >> > > > seems

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion.

Sat being

> > > >> > > > 7th

> > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are

many points

> > > >> > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in

sat sign

> > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > >> > > > we

> > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1

> > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out

by Sunil

> > > >> > > > ji,

> > > >> > > > > > I

> > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/

love

> > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many

charts who

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on

pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question

of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved

when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL

Sun is lord

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the

star level

> > > >> > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is

again in

> > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord

> > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10,

the

> > > >> > > > marraige

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on

few cases

> > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable

in many

> > > >> > > > cases.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > >> > > > which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's

study

> > > >> > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with

Rahu.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just

9mts

> > > >> > > > crossed

> > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > > >> > > > in 11

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > > >> > > > > > your

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present,

the

> > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn

and the lord

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present),

she got

> > > >> > > > married

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy

> > > >> > > > marital

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have

many

> > > >> > > > experieced

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects

the native..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so

no

> > > >> > > > stability

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during

the dasa

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter

star.. again a

> > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL

> > > >> > > > signifies

> > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However

this 7CSL

> > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > > >> > > > with

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will

have some

> > > >> > > > effect

> > > >> > > > > > on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative).

What I

> > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect,

as

> > > >> > > > experienced

> > > >> > > > > > by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may

not be

> > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am

wrong.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally

and get

> > > >> > > > his

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same

even now.

> > > >> > > > He

> > > >> > > > > > has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those

> > > >> > > > articles.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > > >> > > > If

> > > >> > > > > > you

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization

of

> > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > >> > > > View

> > > >> > > > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub

lord shani

> > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means

if 7csl is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet

then

> > > >> > > > aspected

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > > >> > > > well

> > > >> > > > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage.

As we see

> > > >> > > > that

> > > >> > > > > > when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay

to a

> > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well

as it is

> > > >> > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > having

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in

this

> > > >> > > > case,

> > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > >> > > > an

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > >> > > > with

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to

> > > >> > > > 7th

> > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > > >> > > > reasons

> > > >> > > > > > which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision,

The

> > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > >> > > > aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of

Sunil ji's

> > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords

aspect Pluto

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune

is not yet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > >> > > > gives

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > > >> > > > we

> > > >> > > > > > say

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale?

This is

> > > >> > > > based

> > > >> > > > > > on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that

Pluto has

> > > >> > > > negative

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number

of cases

> > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > > >> > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > > >> > > > This

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved

by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September

27,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > -

> > > >> > > > > > View

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about

DBA or star

> > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on

Pluto to deny

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for

the house

> > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether

Sunil ji

> > > >> > > > has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is

not found

> > > >> > > > in KP

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of

such a small

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such

kind of idea

> > > >> > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials -

View from

> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 16123

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 16114

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 14157

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be

more

> > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about

248 years

> > > >> > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only

9 out of

> > > >> > > > 27

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > > >> > > > its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of

Hindu God

> > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins

to bring

> > > >> > > > deep

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first

step is

> > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit

Page 477). "

> > > >> > > > > > This

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto

and Neptune

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > >> > > > such

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not

based on

> > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there

is no

> > > >> > > > research

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of

is

> > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > > >> > > > correct

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji

that he has

> > > >> > > > > > come

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > > >> > > > for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials

- View

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey

Green, his

> > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > > >> > > > Green

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange

the mystery

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution.

A positive

> > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > >> > > > page

> > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for

the 2, 7 and

> > > >> > > > 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below

to be the

> > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

houses.

> > > >> > > > Hence

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > >> > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > >> > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto

is not

> > > >> > > > wholly

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results

of that

> > > >> > > > planet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates

power

> > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune

in the

> > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by

karma to

> > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation

of the AA

> > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause

of no

> > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

Judith

> > > >> > > > Hill

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this

> > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a

couple of

> > > >> > > > > > write

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik

issue )on

> > > >> > > > effect

> > > >> > > > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> > > >> > > > had

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > his

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > >> > > > extra

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > >> > > > these

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects

are

> > > >> > > > considered.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > > >> > > > > > results

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about

pluto

> > > >> > > > effects

> > > >> > > > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008

issue and i

> > > >> > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > got

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@

....

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43

AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.

> > > >> > > > Out of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in

close

> > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the

lord of

> > > >> > > > 8.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

planet in

> > > >> > > > its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > >> > > > > > being

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in

11.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of

6,10, the

> > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > >> > > > it

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in

its star)

> > > >> > > > .

> > > >> > > > > > But

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as

bad, as it

> > > >> > > > may

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > > >> > > > countries.

> > > >> > > > > > But

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included

below]

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a

screen

> > > >> > > > shot in

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> > > >> > > > cusp

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa.

Its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > >> > > > also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > > >> > > > will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason

for bad

> > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After

that it is

> > > >> > > > bad

> > > >> > > > > > .

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra

)=

> > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say

that 10th

> > > >> > > > sub

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09

AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > >> > > > > > your

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > >> > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart

for this

> > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working

on a

> > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

couple of

> > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his

life. When

> > > >> > > > i

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i

was 100%

> > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to

find any

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can

point out

> > > >> > > > how

> > > >> > > > > > he

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs?

What are the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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Respected Sir,

Thank you.

There is a file for NKPA in the file section. I kept it on my desk top. The table gives yearwise and date wise. One has to add these two, that gives the ayanamsa of the day.

Regards.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

TW <tw853 Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 6:05:37 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Friend,Thank you for the step by step explanation.What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sir,> The following are the steps: -> 1. Click on 'Preferences' .> 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .> 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.> 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.> 5. In 'customize further' box-> a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'> b) Select 'Add'.> c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.> 6. Finally click OK.>

It is done.> > Due regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> TW <tw853> @gro ups.com> Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > Dear Friend,> Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.> Thanks and regards,> TW > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own

preference.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Bohraji> > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > > > Regards> > Amit > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> > @gro ups.com> > Mon, October

5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Sudan,> > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> >

Yogesh Lajmi> > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >@gro ups.com> > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >Dear G.Singh ji,> > >> > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-> > >> > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> > >> > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub

level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?> > >> > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> > >> > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> > >> > >Thanks,> > >> > >M.S.Bohra> > >> > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> > >>> > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > >> > > >> G. Singh> > >> > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > >> > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis

to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > >> > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > >> > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > >> > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > >> > > > >> > Thanks and regards,> > >> > TW > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > >> > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late>

> >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet

and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > >> > > non-reliable.> > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > >>

> > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >> > > >> > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP

Reader III p 205 (Old> > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > >> > > > study in this regard.> > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > >> > > > the forum.> > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar> > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who

used to seek separation and> > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > >> > > > walking out.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > > TW> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > >> > > > >

3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > >> > > > discussion,> > >> > > > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >

> >> > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > >> > > > uploaded in> > >> > > > > > the File section.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Regards,> > >> > > > > > TW> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > >> > > > Punit> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > >>

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > >> > > > very> > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > >> > > > quite> > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > >> > > > > > nature> > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > >> > > > > > delay.> > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > >> > >

> details> > >> > > > > > have> > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >

>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > >> > > > seems> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > >> > > > 7th> > >> > > > > > CSL> > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > >> > > > have> >

>> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > >> > > > > > also. But> > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > >> > > > we> > >> > > > > > have to> > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > >> > > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > >> > > > ji,> > >> > > > > > I> > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/

love> > >> > > > marriage/> > >> > > > > > happy> > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > >

> > >>> dear adith,> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per

kp.> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > >> >

> > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > >> > > >

> > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > 12 is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > sat> > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > >> > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > >> > > > > > Jupiter (> > >> > > > > > > >>> R)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > >> > > > > > present,> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > >> > > > marraige> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > >> > > > > > study,> > >> > > > > > >

>>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > >> > > > cases.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > >> > > > which> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > >> > > > charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> which I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > >> > > > > > >

>>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > >> > > > crossed> > >> > > > > > 11th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > >> > > > > > signfies> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > >> > > > in 11> > >> > > > > > in> > >> > > > > > > >>> its> > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects

Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > >> > > > > > your> > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > >> > > > > > signfications> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> >

>> > > > of> > >> > > > > > 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > >> > > > married> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > >> > > > marital> > >> > > > > > > >>> life> > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > >> > > > > > >wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > >> > > > experieced> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter

till Oct.2012> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > >> > > > stability> > >> > > > > > in> > >> > > > > > > >>> job> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > >> > > > > > Neptune> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > > Pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > >> > > > signifies> > >> > > > > > any of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > >> > > > > > (which> > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > >> > > > with> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > >> > > > effect> > >> > > > > > on> > >> >

> > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > >> > > > > > understood> > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > >> > > > experienced> > >> > > > > > by> > >> > > > > > > >>> him in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > >> > > > > > promised> > >> > > > > > > >>> due to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative

effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > >> > > > his> > >> > > > > > > >>> personal> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > >> > > > He> > >> > > > > > has> > >> > > > > > > >>> given many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > >> > > > > > Dene"> > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > >> > > > articles.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > >> > > > If> > >> > > > > > you> > >> > > > > > > >>> can> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > >> > > > marriage I> > >> > > > > > > >>> will be> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:*

subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > >> > > > View> > >> > > > > > from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > >> > > > > > aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > >> > > > > > aspected> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > >> > > > aspected> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > >> > > > well> > >> > > > > > as> > >> > >

> > > > >>> secondary> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > >> > > > > > pluto,> > >> > > > > > > >>> then> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > >> > > > that> > >> > > > > > when> > >> > > > > > > >>> these> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > >> > > > > > considerable> > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is

not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > >> > > > not> > >> > > > > > having> > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > >> > > > case,> > >> > > > > > pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > >> > > > > > > >>> has> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > >> > > >

an> > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > >> > > > with> > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > >> > > > 7th> > >> > > > > > cusp.> > >> > > > > > > >>> So not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > >> > > > reasons> > >> > > > > > which> > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > >> > > > SCientific> > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

vijayanand_astrogui de@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > >> > > > aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > >

> DBA> > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > >> > > > > > principle> > >> > > > > > > >>> is even> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> result is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

Mr.> > >> > > > > > Sunil> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > >> > > > gives> > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > >> > > > we> > >> > > > > > say> > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > >> > > > based> > >> >

> > > > on> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > >> > > > negative> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > >> > > > > > should be> > >> > > > > > > >>> studied> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > >> > > > as> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > >> >

> > > > Uranus> > >> > > > > > > >>> which have> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > >> > > > This> > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > -> >

>> > > > > > View> > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > >> > > > > > lord> > >> > > > > > > >>> theory> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > >> > > > > > (there> > >> > > > > > > >>>

11th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > >> > > > > > instead> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > >> > > > has> > >> > > > > > > >>> found any> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > >> > > > in KP> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > >> > > > is> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > >> > > > > > confirms> > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 16123> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 16114> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 14157> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > >> > > > > > effects of> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > >> > > > > > appropriate> > >> > > > > > > >>> to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > >> > > > to> > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> in about> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > >> > > > 27> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > >> > > > its> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > >> > > > TW ji> > >> > > > > > > >>> says> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > >> > > > Shiva,> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > >> > > > deep> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > >> > > > > > destruction> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > >> > > > > > This> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that

Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > >> > > > such> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > >> > > > Pluto's> > >> > > > > > (or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > >> > > > research> > >> > > > > > > >>> data> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > >> > > > Dasha> > >> > > > > > > >>> System..> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > >> > > > conjunction> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > >> > > > orb). I> > >> > > > > > > >>> would> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> like to request> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > >> > > > correct> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > >> > > > > > come> > >> > > > > > > >>> across> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > >> > > > for> > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > >> > > > from> > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > >> > > > > > 2009)> > >> > > > > > > >>> Western> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > >> > > > > > daughter> > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> known as>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > >> > > > Green> > >> > > > > > > >>> said that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > >> > > > > > side of> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > >> > > > > > profession is>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > >> > > > page> > >> > > > > > 46)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > >> > > > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not

significantly different from> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > >> > > > > > appearance is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > >> > > > 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > >> > > > > > cause> > >> > > > > > > >>> of no> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's

placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > >> > > > Hence> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > >> > > > in> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > >> > > > or> > >> > > > >

> > >>> Synastry> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > >> > > > wholly> > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > >> > > > > > aspects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > >> > > > > > procedure> > >> > > > > > > >>> followed> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed

to> > >> > > > > > magnify> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > >> > > > planet> > >> > > > > > > >>> always for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > >> > > > > > carries> > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > >> > > > > > wealth.> > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > >> > > > benefic.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > >> > > > > > struggle> > >> > > > > > > >>> between> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > >> > > > 7th is> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > >> > > > > > relinquish> > >> > > > > > > >>> them> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > >> > > > > > charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > >> > > > > > marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > >> > > > > > >

>>> senselessly> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > >> > > > > > effects,> > >> > > > > > > >>> which> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > >> > > > > > hundred> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > >> > > > Hill> > >> > > > > > in> > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > >> > > > horoscope> > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > >> > > >

> > write> > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > >> > > > effect> > >> > > > > > of> > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > >> > > > had> > >> > > > > > > >>> almost> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For

the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > >> > > > from> > >> > > > > > his> > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > >> > > > extra> > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > >> > > >

these> > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > >> > > > considered.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > @4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good> > >> > > > > > results> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > >> > > > effects> > >> > > > > > and> > >> > > > > > > >>> when> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > >> > > > have> > >> > > > > > got> > >> > > > > > > >>> many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect

from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > >> > > > Out of> > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > >> > > > > > cojunction> > >> > > > > > > >>> with the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > >> > > > 8.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet

in> > >> > > > its> > >> > > > > > > >>> star).> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > >> > > > Mercury> > >> > > > > > being> > >> > > > > > > >>> in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > >> > > > 5(12> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > >

>>> 6) ,8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > >> > > > it> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> being> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > >> > > > .> > >> > > > > > But> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > >> > > > may> > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in

profession or profession related to foreign> > >> > > > countries.> > >> > > > > > But> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > >> > > > amitbs2002@> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope.

I am attaching a screen> > >> > > > shot in> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > >> > > > cusp> > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > >> > > > ),11 & 10.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> >

>> > > > also> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > >> > > > will> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > >> > > > > > economic> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > >> > > > bad> > >> > > > > > .> > >> > > > > > > >>> We see> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > >> > > > > > signification> > >> > > > > > > >>> are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect

(4)(8)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > >> > > > sub> > >> > > > > > > >>> should> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > >> > > > time,usingK. P.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > >> > > > > > your> > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > >> > > > as> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > >> > > > > > TOB...you> > >> > > > > > > >>> will> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > >> > > > horoscope> > >> > > > > > of a> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > >> > > > > > issues> > >> > > > > > > >>> . I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > >> > > > i> > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i

was 100%> > >> > > > > > wrong on> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > >> > > > how> > >> > > > > > he> > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the

past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> >

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>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> >

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Sir.

KPNA 2003 is available in the file section you must be well aware. I use that for all practical purposes.

I have also set in my Excel sheet a calculation for Ayanamsa. It differs by only few seconds. Members may not accept this as it may be little more cumbersome.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

TW <tw853 Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 6:05:37 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Dear Friend,Thank you for the step by step explanation.What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sir,> The following are the steps: -> 1. Click on 'Preferences' .> 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .> 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.> 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.> 5. In 'customize further' box-> a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'> b) Select 'Add'.> c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.> 6. Finally click OK.>

It is done.> > Due regards.> Dr. Rath> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> TW <tw853> @gro ups.com> Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > Dear Friend,> Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.> Thanks and regards,> TW > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> >> > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own

preference.> > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>> > @gro ups.com> > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Bohraji> > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > > > Regards> > Amit > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> > @gro ups.com> > Mon, October

5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > Dear Sudan,> > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> >

Yogesh Lajmi> > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >@gro ups.com> > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> > >> > >> > > > > >> > >Dear G.Singh ji,> > >> > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-> > >> > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> > >> > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub

level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?> > >> > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> > >> > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> > >> > >Thanks,> > >> > >M.S.Bohra> > >> > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> > >>> > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > >> > > >> G. Singh> > >> > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> >> > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > >> > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis

to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > >> > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > >> > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > >> > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > >> > > > >> > Thanks and regards,> > >> > TW > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > >> > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > >> > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late>

> >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.> > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet

and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > >> > > non-reliable.> > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > >>

> > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >> > > >> > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has> > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP

Reader III p 205 (Old> > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > >> > > > study in this regard.> > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > >> > > > the forum.> > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar> > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who

used to seek separation and> > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > >> > > > walking out.> > >> > > >> > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > >> > > > TW> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > >> > > > >

3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > >> > > > discussion,> > >> > > > > only sign exchange.> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > >

> >> > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > >> > > > uploaded in> > >> > > > > > the File section.> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Regards,> > >> > > > > > TW> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > >> > > > Punit> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > >>

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > >> > > > very> > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > >> > > > quite> > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > >> > > > > > nature> > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > >> > > > > > delay.> > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > >> > >

> details> > >> > > > > > have> > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >

>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > >> > > > seems> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > >> > > > 7th> > >> > > > > > CSL> > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > >> > > > have> >

>> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > >> > > > > > also. But> > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > >> > > > we> > >> > > > > > have to> > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > >> > > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > >> > > > ji,> > >> > > > > > I> > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/

love> > >> > > > marriage/> > >> > > > > > happy> > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > >

> > >>> dear adith,> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per

kp.> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when> > >> >

> > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > >> > > >

> > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > 12 is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > sat> > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > >> > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > >> > > > > > Jupiter (> > >> > > > > > > >>> R)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > >> > > > > > present,> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > >> > > > marraige> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > >> > > > > > study,> > >> > > > > > >

>>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > >> > > > cases.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > >> > > > which> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > >> > > > charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> which I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > >> > > > > > >

>>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > >> > > > crossed> > >> > > > > > 11th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > >> > > > > > signfies> > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > >> > > > in 11> > >> > > > > > in> > >> > > > > > > >>> its> > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects

Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > >> > > > > > your> > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > >> > > > > > signfications> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> >

>> > > > of> > >> > > > > > 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > >> > > > married> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > >> > > > marital> > >> > > > > > > >>> life> > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > >> > > > > > >wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > >> > > > experieced> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter

till Oct.2012> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > >> > > > stability> > >> > > > > > in> > >> > > > > > > >>> job> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > >> > > > > > Neptune> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > > Pluto effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > >> > > > signifies> > >> > > > > > any of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > >> > > > > > (which> > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > >> > > > with> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > >> > > > effect> > >> > > > > > on> > >> >

> > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I> > >> > > > > > understood> > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > >> > > > experienced> > >> > > > > > by> > >> > > > > > > >>> him in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > >> > > > > > promised> > >> > > > > > > >>> due to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative

effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > >> > > > his> > >> > > > > > > >>> personal> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > >> > > > He> > >> > > > > > has> > >> > > > > > > >>> given many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > >> > > > > > Dene"> > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > >> > > > articles.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > >> > > > If> > >> > > > > > you> > >> > > > > > > >>> can> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > >> > > > marriage I> > >> > > > > > > >>> will be> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:*

subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > >> > > > View> > >> > > > > > from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > >> > > > > > aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > >> > > > > > aspected> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > >> > > > aspected> > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > >> > > > well> > >> > > > > > as> > >> > >

> > > > >>> secondary> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > >> > > > > > pluto,> > >> > > > > > > >>> then> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > >> > > > that> > >> > > > > > when> > >> > > > > > > >>> these> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a> > >> > > > > > considerable> > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is

not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > >> > > > not> > >> > > > > > having> > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > >> > > > case,> > >> > > > > > pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> is not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > >> > > > > > > >>> has> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > >> > > >

an> > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > >> > > > with> > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > >> > > > 7th> > >> > > > > > cusp.> > >> > > > > > > >>> So not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > >> > > > reasons> > >> > > > > > which> > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > >>

> > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > >> > > > SCientific> > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

vijayanand_astrogui de@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > >> > > > aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > >

> DBA> > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > >> > > > > > principle> > >> > > > > > > >>> is even> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> result is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also

Mr.> > >> > > > > > Sunil> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > >> > > > gives> > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > >> > > > we> > >> > > > > > say> > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > >> > > > based> > >> >

> > > > on> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > >> > > > negative> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > >> > > > > > should be> > >> > > > > > > >>> studied> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > >> > > > as> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > >> >

> > > > Uranus> > >> > > > > > > >>> which have> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > >> > > > This> > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > -> >

>> > > > > > View> > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > >> > > > > > lord> > >> > > > > > > >>> theory> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > >> > > > > > (there> > >> > > > > > > >>>

11th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage> > >> > > > > > instead> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > >> > > > has> > >> > > > > > > >>> found any> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > >> > > > in KP> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > >> > > > is> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > >> > > > > > confirms> > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 16123> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 16114> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > >> > > > 14157> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > >> > > > > > effects of> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > >> > > > > > appropriate> > >> > > > > > > >>> to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > >> > > > to> > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> in about> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > >> > > > 27> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > >> > > > its> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > >> > > > TW ji> > >> > > > > > > >>> says> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > >> > > > Shiva,> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > >> > > > deep> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > >> > > > > > destruction> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > >> > > > > > This> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that

Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > >> > > > such> > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > >> > > > Pluto's> > >> > > > > > (or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > >> > > > research> > >> > > > > > > >>> data> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > >> > > > Dasha> > >> > > > > > > >>> System..> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > >> > > > conjunction> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > >> > > > orb). I> > >> > > > > > > >>> would> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> like to request> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > >> > > > correct> > >> > > > > > or> > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > >> > > > > > come> > >> > > > > > > >>> across> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > >> > > > for> > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > >> > > > from> > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > >> > > > > > 2009)> > >> > > > > > > >>> Western> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > >> > > > > > daughter> > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> known as>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > >> > > > Green> > >> > > > > > > >>> said that> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > >> > > > of> > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > >> > > > > > side of> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > >> > > > > > profession is>

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > >> > > > page> > >> > > > > > 46)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > >> > > > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > > >>> and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > >> > > > are> > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not

significantly different from> > >> > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > >> > > > > > appearance is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > >> > > > 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > >> > > > > > cause> > >> > > > > > > >>> of no> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's

placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > >> > > > Hence> > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > >> > > > in> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > >> > > > or> > >> > > > >

> > >>> Synastry> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > >> > > > wholly> > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > >> > > > > > aspects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > >> > > > > > procedure> > >> > > > > > > >>> followed> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed

to> > >> > > > > > magnify> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > >> > > > planet> > >> > > > > > > >>> always for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > >> > > > > > carries> > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> > >> > > > > > wealth.> > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > >> > > > benefic.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > >> > > > > > struggle> > >> > > > > > > >>> between> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the> > >> > > > 7th is> > >> > > > > > not> > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > >> > > > > > relinquish> > >> > > > > > > >>> them> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > >> > > > > > charts> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > >> > > > > > marriage.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > >> > > > > > >

>>> senselessly> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > >> > > > > > effects,> > >> > > > > > > >>> which> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > >> > > > > > hundred> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > >> > > > Hill> > >> > > > > > in> > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > >> > > > horoscope> > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > >> > > >

> > write> > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > >> > > > effect> > >> > > > > > of> > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I> > >> > > > had> > >> > > > > > > >>> almost> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For

the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > >> > > > from> > >> > > > > > his> > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > >> > > > extra> > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > >> > > >

these> > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > >> > > > considered.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > >> > > > Pluto> > >> > > > > > @4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good> > >> > > > > > results> > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > >> > > > effects> > >> > > > > > and> > >> > > > > > > >>> when> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > >> > > > have> > >> > > > > > got> > >> > > > > > > >>> many> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect

from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > >> > > > Out of> > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > >> > > > > > cojunction> > >> > > > > > > >>> with the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > >> > > > 8.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet

in> > >> > > > its> > >> > > > > > > >>> star).> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > >> > > > Mercury> > >> > > > > > being> > >> > > > > > > >>> in> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > >> > > > 5(12> > >> > > > > > to> > >> > > > > > >

>>> 6) ,8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and> > >> > > > it> > >> > > > > > is> > >> > > > > > > >>> being> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > >> > > > .> > >> > > > > > But> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > >> > > > may> > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in

profession or profession related to foreign> > >> > > > countries.> > >> > > > > > But> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > >> > > > amitbs2002@> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope.

I am attaching a screen> > >> > > > shot in> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > >> > > > cusp> > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > >> > > > ),11 & 10.> > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> >

>> > > > also> > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > >> > > > will> > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > >> > > > > > economic> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > >> > > > bad> > >> > > > > > .> > >> > > > > > > >>> We see> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > >> > > > > > signification> > >> > > > > > > >>> are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect

(4)(8)> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th> > >> > > > sub> > >> > > > > > > >>> should> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

____________ _________ _________ __> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > >> > > > time,usingK. P.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > >> > > > > > your> > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > >> > > > as> > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > >> > > > and> > >> > > > > > the> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > >> > > > > > TOB...you> > >> > > > > > > >>> will> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > >> > > > horoscope> > >> > > > > > of a> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of> > >> > > > > > issues> > >> > > > > > > >>> . I> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > >> > > > i> > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i

was 100%> > >> > > > > > wrong on> > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > >> > > > how> > >> > > > > > he> > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the

past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > >> > > > ?> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > >> > > > > > > >>>> > >> > > > > > > >>>> >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >>> > >> > >> >>

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Sir, mine is Jagannath Hora, Version 7.2.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

TW <tw853 Sent: Mon, October 12, 2009 6:56:30 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

Sorry, My Friends, it's JHora 7.33 latest version.Regards,TW@gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Friend,> Thank you for the step by step explanation.> What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?> Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.> Thanks and regards,> TW> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:> >> > Respected Sir,> > The following are the steps: -> > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .> > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .> > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.> > 4.Select

'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.> > 5. In 'customize further' box-> > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'> > b) Select 'Add'.> > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.> > 6. Finally click OK.> > It is done.> > > > Due regards.> > Dr. Rath> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > TW <tw853@>> > @gro ups.com> > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar>

> > > > > Dear Friend,> > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.> > Thanks and regards,> > TW > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.> > > Dr. Rath.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > >

> > > Dear Bohraji> > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.> > > > > > Regards> > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >> > > @gro ups.com> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > > > > > > > Dear Sudan,> > > I have already mentioned in these

columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...> > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..> > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT)

co.in>> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > >@gro ups.com> > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >Dear G.Singh ji,> > > >> > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-> > > >> > > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"> > > >> > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?> > > >> > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa> > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa> > > >>

> > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.> > > >> > > >Thanks,> > > >> > > >M.S.Bohra> > > >> > > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.> > > >> > > > >> G. Singh> > > >> > > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> >> > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,> > > >> > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.> > > >> > > >

> >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:> > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab> > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect > > > >> > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.> > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation> > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?) > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money> > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;> > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke

up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;> > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit > > > >> > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.> > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > TW > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > >> > >> > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,> > > >> > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -> > > >> > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear.

Early marriage and late> > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith> > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her> > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some> > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon> > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.> > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who> > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.> > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email> > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji

in point no. 3.> > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give> > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.> > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before> > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring> > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this> > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as> > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an> > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain> > > >> > > non-reliable.> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in> > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really> > > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It

has> > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp> > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old> > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.> > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but> > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to> > > >> > > > study in this regard.> > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and> > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to> > > >> > > > the forum.> > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not

available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a> > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi> > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar> > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of> > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.> > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,> > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a> > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of> > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV> > >

>> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand> > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.> > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and> > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's> > > >> > > > walking out.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > TW> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > >

>> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -> > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn> > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th> > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (> > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under> > > >> > > > discussion,> > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >

> Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is> > > >> > > > uploaded in> > > >> > > > > > the File section.> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > Regards,>

> > >> > > > > > TW> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,> > > >> > > > Punit> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems> > > >> > > > very> > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something> > > >> > > > quite> > > >> > > > >

> > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying> > > >> > > > > > nature> > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage> > > >> > > > > > delay.> > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows> > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth> > > >> > > > details> > > >> > > > > > have> > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem> > > >> > > > and> > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.> > >

>> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <> > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to

Sunil ji on your doubts.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point> > > >> > > > seems> > > >> > > > > > to> > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being> > > >> > > > 7th> > > >> > > > > > CSL> > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points> > > >> > > > have> > > >> > > > > > to> > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign> > > >> > > > > > > >

(Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo> > > >> > > > > > also. But> > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be> > > >> > > > we> > > >> > > > > > have to> > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1> > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > > > > Adith> > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil> > > >> > > > ji,> > > >> > > > > > I> > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love> > > >> > > > marriage/> > > >> > > > > >

happy> > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear

adith,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who> > > >> > > > are> > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..> > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in> > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

is not as per kp.> > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more> > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.> > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she

married to one who she loved when> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives> > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks> > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> >

> > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord> > > >> > > > of> > > >> > > > > > 12 is> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)> > > >> > > > and> > > >> > > > > > sat> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in

10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level> > > >> > > > is> > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in> > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (> > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord> > > >> > > > > > present,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the> > > >> > > > marraige> > > >> > > > > > is>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases> > > >> > > > > > study,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many> > > >> > > > cases.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*> > > >> > > > which> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study> > > >> > > >

charts> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53> > > >> >

> > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts> > > >> > > > crossed> > > >> > > > > > 11th> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly> > > >> > > > > > signfies> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn

is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited> > > >> > > > in 11> > > >> > > > > > in> > > >> > > > > > > >>> its> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as> > > >> > > > > > your> > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.> > > >> > >

> > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the> > > >> > > > > > signfications> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord> > > >> > > > of> > > >> > > > > > 5> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got> > > >> > > > married> > > >> > > > > > to> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > >>

> > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy> > > >> > > > marital> > > >> > > > > > > >>> life> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > >

> > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@> > > >> > > > > > >wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many> > > >> > > > experieced> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no> > > >> > >

> stability> > > >> > > > > > in> > > >> > > > > > > >>> job> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a> > > >> > > > > > Neptune> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL> > > >> > > > signifies> > > >> > > > > > any of> > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL> > > >> > > > > > (which> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected> > > >> > > > with> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some> > > >> > > > effect> > > >> > > > > > on> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be

positive or negative). What I> > > >> > > > > > understood> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as> > > >> > > > experienced> > > >> > > > > > by> > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be> > > >> > > > > > promised> > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get> > > >> > > > his> > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.> > > >> > > > He> > > >> > > > > > has> > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache> > > >> > > > > > Dene"> > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those> > > >> > > > articles.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.> > > >> > > > If> > > >> > > > > > you> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of> > > >> > > > marriage I> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%> > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>> > > >> > > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -> > > >> > > > View> > > >> > > > > > from> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani> > > >> > > > >

> aspects> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,> > > >> > > > > > aspected> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then> > > >> > > > aspected> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the

results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as> > > >> > > > well> > > >> > > > > > as> > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by> > > >> > > > > > pluto,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> then> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see> > > >> > > > that> > > >> > > > > > when> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to

a> > > >> > > > > > considerable> > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is> > > >> > > > not> > > >> > > > > > having> > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this> > > >> > > > case,> > > >> > > > > > pluto> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,> > > >> >

> > > > Sunilji> > > >> > > > > > > >>> has> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had> > > >> > > > an> > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted> > > >> > > > with> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to> > > >> > > > 7th> > > >> > > > > > cusp.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> So

not> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another> > > >> > > > reasons> > > >> > > > > > which> > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The> > > >> > > > SCientific> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat> > > >> > > > aspects> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question> > > >> > > > of> > > >> > > > > > DBA> > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's> > > >> > > > > > principle> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect

Pluto> > > >> > > > the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.> > > >> > > > > > Sunil> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto> > > >> > > > gives> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> negation"2. I> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When> > > >> > > > we> > > >> > > > > > say> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is> > > >> > > > based> > > >> > > > > > on> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has> > > >> > > > negative> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with

TW ji that sufficient number of cases> > > >> > > > > > should be> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such> > > >> > > > as> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,> > > >> > > > > > Uranus> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.> > > >> > > > This> > > >> > > >

> > > >>> idea may> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by> > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,> > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials> > > >> > > > -> > > >> > > > > > View> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star> > > >> > > > > > lord> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny> > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house> > > >> > > > > > (there> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage> > > >> > > > > > instead> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji> > > >> > > > has> > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of> > > >> > > > Pluto> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found> > > >> > > > in KP> > > >> > > > > > or> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea> > > >> > > > is> > > >> > > > > > not> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This> > > >> > > > > > confirms> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > >> > > > 16123> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > >> > > > 16114> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/> > > >> > > > 14157> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the> > > >> > > > > > effects of> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more> > > >> > > > > > appropriate> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> to> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years> > > >> > > > to> > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one> > > >> > > >

> > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each> > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of> > > >> > > > 27> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing> > > >> > > > its> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >>

> > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable> > > >> > > > TW ji> > > >> > > > > > > >>> says> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God> > > >> > > > Shiva,> > > >> > > > > > the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring> > > >> > > > deep> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is> > > >> > > > > > destruction> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."> > > >> > > > > > This> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune> > > >> > > > are> > > >> > > > > > not> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced> > > >> > > > such> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on> > > >> > > > Pluto's> > > >> > > > > > (or> > > >> > > > > >

> >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no> > > >> > > > research> > > >> > > > > > > >>> data> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari> > > >> > > > Dasha> > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is> > > >>

> > > conjunction> > > >> > > > > > or> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed> > > >> > > > orb). I> > > >> > > > > > > >>> would> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is> > > >> > > > correct> > > >> > > > > > or> > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has> > > >> > > > > > come> > > >> > > > > > > >>> across> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services> > > >> > > > for> > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the

findings under his guidance.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro

ups.com> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View> > > >> > > > from> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug> > > >> > > > > > 2009)> > > >> > > > > >

> >>> Western> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his> > > >> > > > > > daughter> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,> > > >> > > > Pluto> > > >> > > > > > is> > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey> > > >> > > > Green> > > >> > > > >

> > >>> said that> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery> > > >> > > > of> > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive> > > >> > > > > > side of> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian> > > >> > > > > > profession is> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,> > > >> > > >

page> > > >> > > > > > 46)> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of> > > >> > > > > > Pluto> > > >> > > > > > > >>> and> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0> > > >> > > > are> > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.> > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15> > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The> > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from> >

> >> > > > the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise> > > >> > > > > > appearance is> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and> > > >> > > > 8> > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the> > > >> > > > > > cause> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by

Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.> > > >> > > > Hence> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance> > > >> > > > in> > > >> > > > > > the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships> > >

>> > > > or> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not> > > >> > > > wholly> > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological> > > >> > > > > > aspects.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific> > > >> > > > > > procedure> > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed> > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to> > > >> > > > > > magnify> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that> > > >> > > > planet> > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection> > > >> > > > > > carries> > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and> >

> >> > > > > > wealth.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or> > > >> > > > benefic.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power> > > >> > > > > > struggle> > > >> > > > > > > >>> between> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable> > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in

the> > > >> > > > 7th is> > > >> > > > > > not> > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to> > > >> > > > > > relinquish> > > >> > > > > > > >>> them> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA> > > >> > > > > > charts> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no> > > >> > > > > > marriage.> > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to> > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse> > > >> > > > > > effects,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one> > > >> > > > > > hundred> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith> > > >> >

> > Hill> > > >> > > > > > in> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this> > > >> > > > horoscope> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of> > > >> > > > > > write> > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on> > > >> > > > effect> > > >> > > > > > of> > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I>

> > >> > > > had> > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents> > > >> > > > from> > > >> > > > > > his> > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > dear amit,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the> > > >> > > > extra> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following> > > >> > > > these> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are> > > >> > > > considered.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting> > > >> > > > Pluto> > > >> > > > > > @4> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good> > > >> > > > > > results> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto> > > >> > > > effects> > > >> > > > > > and> > > >> > > > > > > >>> when> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i> > > >> > > > have> > > >> > > > > > got> > > >> > > > > > > >>> many> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23,

2009 2:33:43 AM> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.> > > >> > > > Out of> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for

profession.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close> > > >> > > > > > cojunction> > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of> > > >> > > > 8.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in> > > >> > > > its> > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11

is Badaka house.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further> > > >> > > > Mercury> > > >> > > > > > being> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the> > > >> > > > 5(12> > > >> > > > > > to> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and>

> > >> > > > it> > > >> > > > > > is> > > >> > > > > > > >>> being> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)> > > >> > > > .> > > >> > > > > > But> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it> > > >> > > > may> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign> > > >> > > > countries.> > >

>> > > > > > But> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman> > > >> > > > amitbs2002@> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am

attaching a screen> > > >> > > > shot in> > > >> > > > > > the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the> > > >> > > > cusp> > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its> > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9> > > >> > > > >

> > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance> > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8> > > >> > > > > > >

>>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but> > > >> > > > also> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he> > > >> > > > will> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad> > > >> > > > > > economic> > > >> > >

> > > > >>> > >> situation?> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is> > > >> > > > bad> > > >> > > > > > .> > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.> > > >> > > > > > signification> > > >> > > > > > > >>> are> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=> > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good

professional earning we say that 10th> > > >> > > > sub> > > >> > > > > > > >>> should> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> >Re: Query on financials> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this> > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier> > > >> > > > > > your> > > >> > > >

> > > >>> analysis> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II> > > >> > > > as> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord> > > >> > > > and> > > >> > > > > > the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively.

...!> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this> > > >> > > > > > TOB...you> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

>> > > > > Query on financials> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a> > > >> > > > horoscope> > > >> > > > > > of a> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for

consultation for a couple of> > > >> > > > > > issues> > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When> > > >> > > > i> > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%> > > >> > > > > > wrong on> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP> > >

>> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out> > > >> > > > how> > > >> > > > > > he> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the> > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >

> >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > >

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>>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> <> > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > > http://sigads. rediff.com/ RealMedia/ ads/click_ nx.ads/www. rediffmail. com/signaturelin e.htm@Middle> > > >> > > > ?> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > --> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >> > > >> > > > > > > >>>> > > >> > > >

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Dear Bohra Ji,Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an example.Thanks and RegardsKalyanSudan <msbohra62 Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM Re: Query on financials - View from

Sunilji Gondhelkar

 

 

Dear TWji,

 

Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as "Preferences" than you will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

 

Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

 

Hope it will helpful.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

@gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Friend,

> Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > The following are the steps: -

> > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > b) Select 'Add'.

> > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > 6. Finally click OK.

> > It is done.

> >

> > Due regards.

> > Dr. Rath

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > TW <tw853@>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> >

> > Dear Friend,

> > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.

> > > Dr. Rath.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Bohraji

> > >

> > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Amit

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sudan,

> > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference

> > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > >

> > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > >

> > > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"

> > > >

> > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > >

> > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > >

> > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.

> > > >>

> > > >> G. Singh

> > > >>

> > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > TW

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late

> > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some

> > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.

> > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who

> > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email

> > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as

> > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in

> > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp

> > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to

> > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to

> > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a

> > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand

> > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.

> > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and

> > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's

> > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > TW

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is

> > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,

> > > >> > > > Punit

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems

> > > >> > > > very

> > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > >> > > > quite

> > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying

> > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage

> > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > >> > > > details

> > > >> > > > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point

> > > >> > > > seems

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > >> > > > 7th

> > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points

> > > >> > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > > >> > > > we

> > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > > >> > > > ji,

> > > >> > > > > > I

> > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level

> > > >> > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > >> > > > marraige

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > >> > > > cases.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*

> > > >> > > > which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > >> > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > >> > > > crossed

> > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > >> > > > in 11

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as

> > > >> > > > > > your

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > >> > > > married

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > >> > > > marital

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > >> > > > experieced

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > >> > > > stability

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a

> > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > >> > > > signifies

> > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL

> > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > >> > > > with

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > >> > > > effect

> > > >> > > > > > on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > >> > > > experienced

> > > >> > > > > > by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > >> > > > his

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.

> > > >> > > > He

> > > >> > > > > > has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache

> > > >> > > > > > Dene"

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > >> > > > articles.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.

> > > >> > > > If

> > > >> > > > > > you

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > >> > > > View

> > > >> > > > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > >> > > > aspected

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > >> > > > well

> > > >> > > > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by

> > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see

> > > >> > > > that

> > > >> > > > > > when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > >> > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > having

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > >> > > > case,

> > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,

> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had

> > > >> > > > an

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted

> > > >> > > > with

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > >> > > > 7th

> > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > >> > > > reasons

> > > >> > > > > > which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat

> > > >> > > > aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.

> > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto

> > > >> > > > gives

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > > >> > > > we

> > > >> > > > > > say

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > >> > > > based

> > > >> > > > > > on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > >> > > > negative

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such

> > > >> > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > > >> > > > This

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials

> > > >> > > > -

> > > >> > > > > > View

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star

> > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house

> > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > >> > > > has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found

> > > >> > > > in KP

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea

> > > >> > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > >> > > > 16123

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > >> > > > 16114

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > >> > > > 14157

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years

> > > >> > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > > >> > > > 27

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing

> > > >> > > > its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring

> > > >> > > > deep

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."

> > > >> > > > > > This

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > >> > > > such

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > >> > > > research

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > >> > > > correct

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > >> > > > > > come

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > >> > > > for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > >> > > > Green

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive

> > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > >> > > > page

> > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of

> > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and

> > > >> > > > 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the

> > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > >> > > > Hence

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance

> > > >> > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships

> > > >> > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > >> > > > wholly

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to

> > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > >> > > > planet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA

> > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one

> > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > >> > > > Hill

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of

> > > >> > > > > > write

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > >> > > > effect

> > > >> > > > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I

> > > >> > > > had

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > his

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the

> > > >> > > > extra

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following

> > > >> > > > these

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > >> > > > considered.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good

> > > >> > > > > > results

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > >> > > > effects

> > > >> > > > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > >> > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > got

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > >> > > > Out of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of

> > > >> > > > 8.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in

> > > >> > > > its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > >> > > > > > being

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the

> > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and

> > > >> > > > it

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)

> > > >> > > > .

> > > >> > > > > > But

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it

> > > >> > > > may

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > >> > > > countries.

> > > >> > > > > > But

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > >> > > > shot in

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > >> > > > cusp

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but

> > > >> > > > also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he

> > > >> > > > will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad

> > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is

> > > >> > > > bad

> > > >> > > > > > .

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > > >> > > > sub

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier

> > > >> > > > > > your

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II

> > > >> > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this

> > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of

> > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When

> > > >> > > > i

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out

> > > >> > > > how

> > > >> > > > > > he

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

It's meant for the version which is possible to enter the KPNA directly.

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Sir, mine is Jagannath Hora, Version 7.2.

> Dr. Rath

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> TW <tw853

>

> Mon, October 12, 2009 6:56:30 PM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

>  

> Sorry, My Friends, it's JHora 7.33 latest version.

> Regards,

> TW

>

> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend,

> > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > > The following are the steps: -

> > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > >     a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > >     b) Select 'Add'.

> > >     c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > >                 It is done.

> > >

> > > Due regards.

> > > Dr. Rath

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > TW <tw853@>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Friend,

> > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora

positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using

members.

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to

own preference.

> > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > >

> > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali.

This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW &

they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Amit

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > >                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> > > >                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too

much of a difference 

> > > >                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the

TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > >                  Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > >

> > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub

lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

respectively. ..! "

> > > > >

> > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant

,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > >

> > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > >

> > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my

birth time.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > >>

> > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly

by lottery gain?)

> > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

> > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time

monetary gain;

> > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very

passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying

abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > TW

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early

marriage and late

> > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see

from Adith

> > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early.

In her

> > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not

true for some

> > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well

negated by Moon

> > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith

ji's email.

> > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet

that give

> > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as

KP.

> > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only

bring

> > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer

should do this

> > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with

the source as

> > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If

an

> > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will

always remain

> > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded

in

> > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by

conj, aspt or opp

> > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader

III p 205 (Old

> > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for

delay but

> > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl

let us know to

> > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due

to 6th and

> > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present

the result to

> > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in

Vedic. To get a

> > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12),

Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16),

King of

> > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other

than having a

> > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the

dasa of

> > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned

from his grand

> > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.

> > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart

under

> > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in

Marriage " is

> > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > > >> > > > very

> > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt

on delaying

> > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of

the marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which

shows

> > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the

birth

> > > > >> > > > details

> > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the

said point

> > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion.

Sat being

> > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are

many points

> > > > >> > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon

in sat sign

> > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo

> > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > > >> > > > we

> > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is

our Quiz # 1

> > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@

wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed

out by Sunil

> > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early

marriage/ love

> > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many

charts who

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on

pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no

question of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved

when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn

gives

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL

Sun is lord

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the

star level

> > > > >> > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who

is again in

> > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications

by sublord

> > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to

6,10, the

> > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on

few cases

> > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not

favorable in many

> > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > > >> > > > which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the

Dr.Rath's study

> > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along

with Rahu.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12

(just 9mts

> > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and

11 posited

> > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications

present, the

> > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn

and the lord

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present),

she got

> > > > >> > > > married

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running

a happy

> > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have

many

> > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects

the native..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses

so no

> > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss

during the dasa

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is

still unmarried.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter

star.. again a

> > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL

> > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8.

However this 7CSL

> > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > > > >> > > > with

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will

have some

> > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or

negative). What I

> > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect,

as

> > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage

may not be

> > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am

wrong.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji

personally and get

> > > > >> > > > his

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same

even now.

> > > > >> > > > He

> > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those

> > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found

in archive.

> > > > >> > > > If

> > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

non-materialization of

> > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > > >> > > > View

> > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub

lord shani

> > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by

other planet,

> > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets.

Means if 7csl is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other

planet then

> > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > > > >> > > > well

> > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage.

As we see

> > > > >> > > > that

> > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay

to a

> > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well

as it is

> > > > >> > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn,

in this

> > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > > >> > > > an

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > > >> > > > with

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to

> > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

Astrovision, The

> > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of

Sunil ji's

> > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords

aspect Pluto

> > > > >> > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune

is not yet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > > > >> > > > we

> > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the

rationale? This is

> > > > >> > > > based

> > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that

Pluto has

> > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient

number of cases

> > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > > > >> > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets

Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse

the effects.

> > > > >> > > > This

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if

proved by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday,

September 27,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query

on financials

> > > > >> > > > -

> > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about

DBA or star

> > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on

Pluto to deny

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result

for the house

> > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give

no marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify

whether Sunil ji

> > > > >> > > > has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is

not found

> > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of

such a small

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such

kind of idea

> > > > >> > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials

- View from

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would

be more

> > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about

248 years

> > > > >> > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed

only 9 out of

> > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing

> > > > >> > > > its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of

Hindu God

> > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it

begins to bring

> > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first

step is

> > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit

Page 477). "

> > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto

and Neptune

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > > >> > > > such

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not

based on

> > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as

there is no

> > > > >> > > > research

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think

of is

> > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji

that he has

> > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > > > >> > > > for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05

PM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on

financials - View

> > > > >> > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey

Green, his

> > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological

chart. Jeffrey

> > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange

the mystery

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive

> > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > > >> > > > page

> > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > > >> > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for

the 2, 7 and

> > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far

below to be the

> > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and

8 houses.

> > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > > >> > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > > >> > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references,

Pluto is not

> > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results

of that

> > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally

indicates power

> > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly

Neptune in the

> > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by

karma to

> > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An

observation of the AA

> > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the

cause of no

> > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with

Pluto's adverse

> > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned

by Judith

> > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this

> > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember

a couple of

> > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik

issue )on

> > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> > > > >> > > > had

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting

the contents

> > > > >> > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > > >> > > > these

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects

are

> > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure

about pluto

> > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008

issue and i

> > > > >> > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@

....

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009

2:33:43 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord

of 7,8,9.

> > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in

close

> > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun

the lord of

> > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in

> > > > >> > > > its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in

11.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators

of 6,10, the

> > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > > >> > > > it

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet

in its star)

> > > > >> > > > .

> > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken

as bad, as it

> > > > >> > > > may

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman

> > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included

below]

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching

a screen

> > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is

Sa. Its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > > >> > > > also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > > > >> > > > will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the

reason for bad

> > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09.

After that it is

> > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat +

Ra )=

> > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we

say that 10th

> > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09

AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > > >> > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT

TOB,the sublord

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth

chart for this

> > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11

PM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working

on a

> > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for

a couple of

> > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his

life. When

> > > > >> > > > i

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT

i was 100%

> > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to

find any

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group

can point out

> > > > >> > > > how

> > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs?

What are the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Nice to hear that the KPNA tables uploaded by me are helpful. It may be a little

bit easier to calculate the KPNA from the Punit ji's KPNA calclator in the

AstroSage.

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Thank you Sir.

> KPNA 2003 is available in the file section you must be well aware. I use that

for all practical purposes.

> I have also set in my Excel sheet a calculation for Ayanamsa. It differs by

only few seconds. Members may not accept this as it may be little more

cumbersome.

> Dr. Rath

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> TW <tw853

>

> Mon, October 12, 2009 6:05:37 PM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

>  

> Dear Friend,

> Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sir,

> > The following are the steps: -

> > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> >     a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> >     b) Select 'Add'.

> >     c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > 6. Finally click OK.

> >                 It is done.

> >

> > Due regards.

> > Dr. Rath

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > TW <tw853@>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> >  

> > Dear Friend,

> > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions

to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own

preference.

> > > Dr. Rath.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Bohraji

> > >

> > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali.

This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW &

they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Amit

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Sudan,

> > >                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> > >                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too

much of a difference 

> > >                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB

arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > >                  Yogesh Lajmi

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > >

> > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > >

> > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord

of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively.

...! "

> > > >

> > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant

,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > >

> > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > >

> > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > >

> > > >Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my

birth time.

> > > >>

> > > >> G. Singh

> > > >>

> > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > >> >

> > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by

lottery gain?)

> > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

> > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary

gain;

> > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate

relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting

schorlarship;

> > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > TW

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage

and late

> > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see

from Adith

> > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In

her

> > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true

for some

> > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated

by Moon

> > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith

ji's email.

> > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that

give

> > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only

bring

> > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should

do this

> > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the

source as

> > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will

always remain

> > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded

in

> > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj,

aspt or opp

> > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader III

p 205 (Old

> > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay

but

> > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let

us know to

> > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to

6th and

> > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present

the result to

> > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic.

To get a

> > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma

Gandhi

> > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16),

King of

> > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than

having a

> > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the

dasa of

> > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned

from his grand

> > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter

for death.

> > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > TW

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart

under

> > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage "

is

> > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > >> > > > Punit

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > >> > > > very

> > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > > >> > > > quite

> > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt

on delaying

> > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the

marriage

> > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which

shows

> > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the

birth

> > > >> > > > details

> > > >> > > > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the

said point

> > > >> > > > seems

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion.

Sat being

> > > >> > > > 7th

> > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are

many points

> > > >> > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in

sat sign

> > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause

Punarpoo

> > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > >> > > > we

> > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our

Quiz # 1

> > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out

by Sunil

> > > >> > > > ji,

> > > >> > > > > > I

> > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/

love

> > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many

charts who

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on

pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question

of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved

when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL

Sun is lord

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the

star level

> > > >> > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is

again in

> > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by

sublord

> > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10,

the

> > > >> > > > marraige

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on

few cases

> > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable

in many

> > > >> > > > cases.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > >> > > > which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's

study

> > > >> > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with

Rahu.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just

9mts

> > > >> > > > crossed

> > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11

posited

> > > >> > > > in 11

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > > >> > > > > > your

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present,

the

> > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn

and the lord

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present),

she got

> > > >> > > > married

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a

happy

> > > >> > > > marital

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have

many

> > > >> > > > experieced

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects

the native..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so

no

> > > >> > > > stability

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during

the dasa

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still

unmarried.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter

star.. again a

> > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL

> > > >> > > > signifies

> > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However

this 7CSL

> > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > > >> > > > with

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will

have some

> > > >> > > > effect

> > > >> > > > > > on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative).

What I

> > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect,

as

> > > >> > > > experienced

> > > >> > > > > > by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may

not be

> > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am

wrong.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally

and get

> > > >> > > > his

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same

even now.

> > > >> > > > He

> > > >> > > > > > has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those

> > > >> > > > articles.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in

archive.

> > > >> > > > If

> > > >> > > > > > you

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization

of

> > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > >> > > > View

> > > >> > > > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub

lord shani

> > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other

planet,

> > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means

if 7csl is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet

then

> > > >> > > > aspected

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > > >> > > > well

> > > >> > > > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage.

As we see

> > > >> > > > that

> > > >> > > > > > when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay

to a

> > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well

as it is

> > > >> > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > having

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in

this

> > > >> > > > case,

> > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > >> > > > an

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > >> > > > with

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to

> > > >> > > > 7th

> > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > > >> > > > reasons

> > > >> > > > > > which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision,

The

> > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > >> > > > aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of

Sunil ji's

> > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords

aspect Pluto

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In

message #

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune

is not yet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > >> > > > gives

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > > >> > > > we

> > > >> > > > > > say

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale?

This is

> > > >> > > > based

> > > >> > > > > > on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that

Pluto has

> > > >> > > > negative

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number

of cases

> > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > > >> > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto,

Neptune,

> > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the

effects.

> > > >> > > > This

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved

by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September

27,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > -

> > > >> > > > > > View

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about

DBA or star

> > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on

Pluto to deny

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for

the house

> > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no

marriage

> > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether

Sunil ji

> > > >> > > > has

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is

not found

> > > >> > > > in KP

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of

such a small

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such

kind of idea

> > > >> > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials -

View from

> > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 16123

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 16114

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > >> > > > 14157

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be

more

> > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about

248 years

> > > >> > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only

9 out of

> > > >> > > > 27

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for

analyzing

> > > >> > > > its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of

Hindu God

> > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins

to bring

> > > >> > > > deep

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first

step is

> > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit

Page 477). "

> > > >> > > > > > This

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto

and Neptune

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > >> > > > such

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not

based on

> > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there

is no

> > > >> > > > research

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of

is

> > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > > >> > > > correct

> > > >> > > > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji

that he has

> > > >> > > > > > come

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > > >> > > > for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials

- View

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey

Green, his

> > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart.

Jeffrey

> > > >> > > > Green

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange

the mystery

> > > >> > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution.

A positive

> > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > >> > > > page

> > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > >> > > > are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > >> > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for

the 2, 7 and

> > > >> > > > 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below

to be the

> > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8

houses.

> > > >> > > > Hence

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > >> > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > >> > > > or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto

is not

> > > >> > > > wholly

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results

of that

> > > >> > > > planet

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates

power

> > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune

in the

> > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > >> > > > > > not

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by

karma to

> > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation

of the AA

> > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause

of no

> > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's

adverse

> > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by

Judith

> > > >> > > > Hill

> > > >> > > > > > in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this

> > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a

couple of

> > > >> > > > > > write

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik

issue )on

> > > >> > > > effect

> > > >> > > > > > of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> > > >> > > > had

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the

contents

> > > >> > > > from

> > > >> > > > > > his

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > >> > > > extra

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > >> > > > these

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects

are

> > > >> > > > considered.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > > >> > > > > > results

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about

pluto

> > > >> > > > effects

> > > >> > > > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008

issue and i

> > > >> > > > have

> > > >> > > > > > got

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@

....

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43

AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of

7,8,9.

> > > >> > > > Out of

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in

close

> > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the

lord of

> > > >> > > > 8.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no

planet in

> > > >> > > > its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > >> > > > > > being

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in

11.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of

6,10, the

> > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > >> > > > > > to

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > >> > > > it

> > > >> > > > > > is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in

its star)

> > > >> > > > .

> > > >> > > > > > But

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as

bad, as it

> > > >> > > > may

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > > >> > > > countries.

> > > >> > > > > > But

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included

below]

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a

screen

> > > >> > > > shot in

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> > > >> > > > cusp

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa.

Its

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > >> > > > also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > > >> > > > will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason

for bad

> > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After

that it is

> > > >> > > > bad

> > > >> > > > > > .

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra

)=

> > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say

that 10th

> > > >> > > > sub

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09

AM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > >> > > > > > your

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > >> > > > as

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the

sublord

> > > >> > > > and

> > > >> > > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart

for this

> > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working

on a

> > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a

couple of

> > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his

life. When

> > > >> > > > i

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i

was 100%

> > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to

find any

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can

point out

> > > >> > > > how

> > > >> > > > > > he

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs?

What are the

> > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

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[Guest guest]

Sorry, Dear Friends, as mentioned alredy many times, one cannot get the correct

KPNA by this way.

Regards,

TW

 

, " Sudan " <msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear TWji,

>

> Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds

section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as " Preferences " than you

will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

>

> Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get

right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

>

> Hope it will helpful.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> , " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend,

> > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > , Luther Rath <rathluther@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > > The following are the steps: -

> > > 1. Click on 'Preferences'.

> > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations'.

> > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > >     a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > >     b) Select 'Add'.

> > >     c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > >                 It is done.

> > >

> > > Due regards.

> > > Dr. Rath

> > >

> > >  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > TW <tw853@>

> > >

> > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >  

> > > Dear Friend,

> > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora

positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using

members.

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to

own preference.

> > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > >

> > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali.

This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW &

they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Amit

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > >                  I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> > > >                  Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too

much of a difference 

> > > >                  Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the

TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > >                  Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > >

> > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub

lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

respectively. ..! "

> > > > >

> > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant

,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > >

> > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > >

> > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my

birth time.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > >>

> > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly

by lottery gain?)

> > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

> > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time

monetary gain;

> > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very

passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying

abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > TW

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early

marriage and late

> > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see

from Adith

> > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early.

In her

> > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not

true for some

> > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well

negated by Moon

> > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith

ji's email.

> > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet

that give

> > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as

KP.

> > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only

bring

> > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer

should do this

> > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with

the source as

> > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If

an

> > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will

always remain

> > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded

in

> > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by

conj, aspt or opp

> > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader

III p 205 (Old

> > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for

delay but

> > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl

let us know to

> > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due

to 6th and

> > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present

the result to

> > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in

Vedic. To get a

> > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12),

Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16),

King of

> > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other

than having a

> > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the

dasa of

> > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned

from his grand

> > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.

> > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart

under

> > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in

Marriage " is

> > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > > >> > > > very

> > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt

on delaying

> > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of

the marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which

shows

> > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the

birth

> > > > >> > > > details

> > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the

said point

> > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion.

Sat being

> > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are

many points

> > > > >> > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon

in sat sign

> > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo

> > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > > >> > > > we

> > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is

our Quiz # 1

> > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@

wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed

out by Sunil

> > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early

marriage/ love

> > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many

charts who

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on

pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no

question of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved

when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn

gives

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL

Sun is lord

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the

star level

> > > > >> > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who

is again in

> > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications

by sublord

> > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to

6,10, the

> > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on

few cases

> > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not

favorable in many

> > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > > >> > > > which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the

Dr.Rath's study

> > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along

with Rahu.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12

(just 9mts

> > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and

11 posited

> > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications

present, the

> > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn

and the lord

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present),

she got

> > > > >> > > > married

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running

a happy

> > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have

many

> > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects

the native..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses

so no

> > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss

during the dasa

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is

still unmarried.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter

star.. again a

> > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL

> > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8.

However this 7CSL

> > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > > > >> > > > with

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will

have some

> > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or

negative). What I

> > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect,

as

> > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage

may not be

> > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am

wrong.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji

personally and get

> > > > >> > > > his

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same

even now.

> > > > >> > > > He

> > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those

> > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found

in archive.

> > > > >> > > > If

> > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

non-materialization of

> > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > > >> > > > View

> > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub

lord shani

> > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by

other planet,

> > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets.

Means if 7csl is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other

planet then

> > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > > > >> > > > well

> > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage.

As we see

> > > > >> > > > that

> > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay

to a

> > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well

as it is

> > > > >> > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn,

in this

> > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > > >> > > > an

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > > >> > > > with

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to

> > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

Astrovision, The

> > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of

Sunil ji's

> > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords

aspect Pluto

> > > > >> > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune

is not yet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > > > >> > > > we

> > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the

rationale? This is

> > > > >> > > > based

> > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that

Pluto has

> > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient

number of cases

> > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > > > >> > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets

Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse

the effects.

> > > > >> > > > This

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if

proved by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday,

September 27,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query

on financials

> > > > >> > > > -

> > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about

DBA or star

> > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on

Pluto to deny

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result

for the house

> > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give

no marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify

whether Sunil ji

> > > > >> > > > has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is

not found

> > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of

such a small

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such

kind of idea

> > > > >> > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials

- View from

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would

be more

> > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about

248 years

> > > > >> > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed

only 9 out of

> > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing

> > > > >> > > > its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of

Hindu God

> > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it

begins to bring

> > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first

step is

> > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit

Page 477). "

> > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto

and Neptune

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > > >> > > > such

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not

based on

> > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as

there is no

> > > > >> > > > research

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think

of is

> > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji

that he has

> > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > > > >> > > > for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05

PM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on

financials - View

> > > > >> > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey

Green, his

> > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological

chart. Jeffrey

> > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange

the mystery

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive

> > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > > >> > > > page

> > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > > >> > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for

the 2, 7 and

> > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far

below to be the

> > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and

8 houses.

> > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > > >> > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > > >> > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references,

Pluto is not

> > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results

of that

> > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally

indicates power

> > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly

Neptune in the

> > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by

karma to

> > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An

observation of the AA

> > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the

cause of no

> > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with

Pluto's adverse

> > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned

by Judith

> > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this

> > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember

a couple of

> > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik

issue )on

> > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> > > > >> > > > had

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting

the contents

> > > > >> > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > > >> > > > these

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects

are

> > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure

about pluto

> > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008

issue and i

> > > > >> > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@

....

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009

2:33:43 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord

of 7,8,9.

> > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in

close

> > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun

the lord of

> > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in

> > > > >> > > > its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in

11.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators

of 6,10, the

> > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > > >> > > > it

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet

in its star)

> > > > >> > > > .

> > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken

as bad, as it

> > > > >> > > > may

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman

> > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included

below]

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching

a screen

> > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is

Sa. Its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > > >> > > > also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > > > >> > > > will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the

reason for bad

> > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09.

After that it is

> > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat +

Ra )=

> > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we

say that 10th

> > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09

AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > > >> > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT

TOB,the sublord

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth

chart for this

> > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11

PM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working

on a

> > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for

a couple of

> > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his

life. When

> > > > >> > > > i

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT

i was 100%

> > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to

find any

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group

can point out

> > > > >> > > > how

> > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs?

What are the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sunaparanthaji,

 

Set JHora as below :-

 

In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and

coordinates and place of your place.

 

Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will

find Add Tab. select " Apply the correction " than below it in " Second " add

22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA

is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

 

Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now

your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

 

Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have in

your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per KPNA.

 

In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for that

year by correcting at " Second " level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for that

year.

 

Hope it will helpful.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

 

 

 

, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra Ji,

>

> Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an

example.

>

> Thanks and Regards

>

> Kalyan

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Sudan <msbohra62

>

> Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

>

> Dear TWji,

>

> Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds

section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as " Preferences " than you

will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

>

> Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get

right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

>

> Hope it will helpful.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend,

> > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > > The following are the steps: -

> > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > It is done.

> > >

> > > Due regards.

> > > Dr. Rath

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > TW <tw853@>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friend,

> > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora

positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using

members.

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to

own preference.

> > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > >

> > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali.

This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW &

they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Amit

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too

much of a difference

> > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the

TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > >

> > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub

lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

respectively. ..! "

> > > > >

> > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant

,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > >

> > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > >

> > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my

birth time.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > >>

> > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly

by lottery gain?)

> > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big

money

> > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time

monetary gain;

> > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very

passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying

abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of

illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > TW

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early

marriage and late

> > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see

from Adith

> > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early.

In her

> > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not

true for some

> > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well

negated by Moon

> > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith

ji's email.

> > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet

that give

> > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as

KP.

> > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details

before

> > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only

bring

> > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer

should do this

> > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with

the source as

> > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If

an

> > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will

always remain

> > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is uploaded

in

> > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by

conj, aspt or opp

> > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader

III p 205 (Old

> > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for

delay but

> > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl

let us know to

> > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due

to 6th and

> > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present

the result to

> > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in

Vedic. To get a

> > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12),

Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16),

King of

> > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any

native,

> > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other

than having a

> > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the

dasa of

> > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned

from his grand

> > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.

> > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of

partner's

> > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart

under

> > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in

Marriage " is

> > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > > >> > > > very

> > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is

something

> > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt

on delaying

> > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of

the marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which

shows

> > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the

birth

> > > > >> > > > details

> > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the

said point

> > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion.

Sat being

> > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are

many points

> > > > >> > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon

in sat sign

> > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo

> > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > > >> > > > we

> > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is

our Quiz # 1

> > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@

wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed

out by Sunil

> > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early

marriage/ love

> > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many

charts who

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of

thinking

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on

pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no

question of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved

when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn

gives

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL

Sun is lord

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the

star level

> > > > >> > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who

is again in

> > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications

by sublord

> > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to

6,10, the

> > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on

few cases

> > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not

favorable in many

> > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > > >> > > > which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the

Dr.Rath's study

> > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe

analysis.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along

with Rahu.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12

(just 9mts

> > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so

strongly

> > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and

11 posited

> > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of

Jupiter (as

> > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications

present, the

> > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn

and the lord

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present),

she got

> > > > >> > > > married

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running

a happy

> > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar

<sunilalaka@

> > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have

many

> > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects

the native..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses

so no

> > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss

during the dasa

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is

still unmarried.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter

star.. again a

> > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL

> > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8.

However this 7CSL

> > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is

connected

> > > > >> > > > with

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will

have some

> > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or

negative). What I

> > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect,

as

> > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage

may not be

> > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am

wrong.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji

personally and get

> > > > >> > > > his

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same

even now.

> > > > >> > > > He

> > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those

> > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found

in archive.

> > > > >> > > > If

> > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

non-materialization of

> > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > > >> > > > View

> > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub

lord shani

> > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by

other planet,

> > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets.

Means if 7csl is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other

planet then

> > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > > > >> > > > well

> > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being

aspected by

> > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage.

As we see

> > > > >> > > > that

> > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay

to a

> > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well

as it is

> > > > >> > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn,

in this

> > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > > >> > > > an

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I

delighted

> > > > >> > > > with

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of

pluto to

> > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

Astrovision, The

> > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of

Sunil ji's

> > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords

aspect Pluto

> > > > >> > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of neptune

is not yet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > > > >> > > > we

> > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the

rationale? This is

> > > > >> > > > based

> > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that

Pluto has

> > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient

number of cases

> > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > > > >> > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets

Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse

the effects.

> > > > >> > > > This

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if

proved by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday,

September 27,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query

on financials

> > > > >> > > > -

> > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about

DBA or star

> > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on

Pluto to deny

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result

for the house

> > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give

no marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify

whether Sunil ji

> > > > >> > > > has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is

not found

> > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of

such a small

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such

kind of idea

> > > > >> > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials

- View from

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would

be more

> > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation

rather than

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about

248 years

> > > > >> > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed

only 9 out of

> > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing

> > > > >> > > > its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009

Honorable

> > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of

Hindu God

> > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it

begins to bring

> > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first

step is

> > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit

Page 477). "

> > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto

and Neptune

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > > >> > > > such

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not

based on

> > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as

there is no

> > > > >> > > > research

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think

of is

> > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji

that he has

> > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my

services

> > > > >> > > > for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05

PM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on

financials - View

> > > > >> > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey

Green, his

> > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological

chart. Jeffrey

> > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange

the mystery

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive

> > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > > >> > > > page

> > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > > >> > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for

the 2, 7 and

> > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far

below to be the

> > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and

8 houses.

> > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere

appearance

> > > > >> > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > > >> > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references,

Pluto is not

> > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points

specific

> > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is

supposed to

> > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results

of that

> > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn

connection

> > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally

indicates power

> > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly

Neptune in the

> > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by

karma to

> > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An

observation of the AA

> > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the

cause of no

> > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with

Pluto's adverse

> > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned

by Judith

> > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this

> > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember

a couple of

> > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik

issue )on

> > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve

effects . I

> > > > >> > > > had

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting

the contents

> > > > >> > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am

following

> > > > >> > > > these

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects

are

> > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also

aspecting

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure

about pluto

> > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008

issue and i

> > > > >> > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@

....

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009

2:33:43 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord

of 7,8,9.

> > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in

close

> > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun

the lord of

> > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in

> > > > >> > > > its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in

11.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators

of 6,10, the

> > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > > >> > > > it

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet

in its star)

> > > > >> > > > .

> > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken

as bad, as it

> > > > >> > > > may

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman

> > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included

below]

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching

a screen

> > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i

prepare the

> > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is

Sa. Its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > > >> > > > also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is

gaining he

> > > > >> > > > will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the

reason for bad

> > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09.

After that it is

> > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat +

Ra )=

> > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we

say that 10th

> > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09

AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > > >> > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT

TOB,the sublord

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's

starlord and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth

chart for this

> > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11

PM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working

on a

> > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for

a couple of

> > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his

life. When

> > > > >> > > > i

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT

i was 100%

> > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to

find any

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group

can point out

> > > > >> > > > how

> > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs?

What are the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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Dear Bhora ji,Thank you very very much for your detailed replyWish you all the best.KalyanSudan <msbohra62 Sent: Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

 

 

Dear Sunaparanthaji,

 

Set JHora as below :-

 

In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and coordinates and place of your place.

 

Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will find Add Tab. select "Apply the correction" than below it in "Second" add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

 

Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

 

Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per KPNA.

 

In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for that year by correcting at "Second" level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for that year.

 

Hope it will helpful.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra Ji,

>

> Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an example.

>

> Thanks and Regards

>

> Kalyan

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sudan <msbohra62@. ..>

> @gro ups.com

> Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

>

> Dear TWji,

>

> Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as "Preferences" than you will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

>

> Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

>

> Hope it will helpful.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friend,

> > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sir,

> > > The following are the steps: -

> > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > It is done.

> > >

> > > Due regards.

> > > Dr. Rath

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > TW <tw853@>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friend,

> > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.

> > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > >

> > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Amit

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference

> > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > >

> > > > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"

> > > > >

> > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > >

> > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > >

> > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > >Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >>

> > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.

> > > > >>

> > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > >>

> > > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > TW

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late

> > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some

> > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.

> > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who

> > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email

> > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as

> > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in

> > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp

> > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to

> > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to

> > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a

> > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand

> > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.

> > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and

> > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's

> > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is

> > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,

> > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems

> > > > >> > > > very

> > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying

> > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > >> > > > details

> > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point

> > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points

> > > > >> > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > > > >> > > > we

> > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level

> > > > >> > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*

> > > > >> > > > which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as

> > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > > >> > > > married

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL

> > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > > >> > > > with

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > > >> > > > his

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.

> > > > >> > > > He

> > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache

> > > > >> > > > > > Dene"

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.

> > > > >> > > > If

> > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > > >> > > > View

> > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > > >> > > > well

> > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by

> > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see

> > > > >> > > > that

> > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > > >> > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had

> > > > >> > > > an

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted

> > > > >> > > > with

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat

> > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto

> > > > >> > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto

> > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > > > >> > > > we

> > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > > >> > > > based

> > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such

> > > > >> > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > > > >> > > > This

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials

> > > > >> > > > -

> > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star

> > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house

> > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > > >> > > > has

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found

> > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea

> > > > >> > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years

> > > > >> > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing

> > > > >> > > > its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring

> > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."

> > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > > >> > > > such

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > > >> > > > research

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > > >> > > > for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > > >> > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery

> > > > >> > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive

> > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > > >> > > > page

> > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of

> > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > >> > > > are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > > >> > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and

> > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the

> > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance

> > > > >> > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships

> > > > >> > > > or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to

> > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA

> > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one

> > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of

> > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I

> > > > >> > > > had

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents

> > > > >> > > > from

> > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the

> > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following

> > > > >> > > > these

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting

> > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good

> > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > > >> > > > have

> > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of

> > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in

> > > > >> > > > its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the

> > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and

> > > > >> > > > it

> > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)

> > > > >> > > > .

> > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it

> > > > >> > > > may

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but

> > > > >> > > > also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he

> > > > >> > > > will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad

> > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is

> > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier

> > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II

> > > > >> > > > as

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > > >> > > > and

> > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this

> > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of

> > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When

> > > > >> > > > i

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out

> > > > >> > > > how

> > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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Dear Sunaji,

 

Basically JHora change per day 0.14 Seconds where as TWji have submitted the

KPNA file in file sections it shows every year it should be 50 second more

moments,which comes every day speed is 0.1369863 changes.And it is not in

similarity as per day speed in KPNA as in that file.What is the reason i could

not understand.

 

So these software shows some differences but within one year it very minutely

difference so can be negligible.We can use it to adjust every year in setting

for daily use for Horary.

 

 

Thanks & regards,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote:

>

> Dear Bhora ji,

>

> Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

>

> Wish you all the best.

>

> Kalyan

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Sudan <msbohra62

>

> Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

>

> Dear Sunaparanthaji,

>

> Set JHora as below :-

>

> In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and

coordinates and place of your place.

>

> Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will

find Add Tab. select " Apply the correction " than below it in " Second " add

22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA

is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

>

> Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now

your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

>

> Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have

in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per

KPNA.

>

> In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for

that year by correcting at " Second " level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for

that year.

>

> Hope it will helpful.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra Ji,

> >

> > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an

example.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > Kalyan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> >

> > Dear TWji,

> >

> > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds

section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as " Preferences " than you

will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

> >

> > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get

right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

> >

> > Hope it will helpful.

> >

> > Thanks & regards,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friend,

> > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > It is done.

> > > >

> > > > Due regards.

> > > > Dr. Rath

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora

positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using

members.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to

own preference.

> > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > >

> > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage /

Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all

the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Amit

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too

much of a difference

> > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the

TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub

lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

respectively. ..! "

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of

Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

> > > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my

birth time.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very

interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically

by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and

seperation

> > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status

(possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got

big money

> > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time

monetary gain;

> > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very

passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying

abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start

of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early

marriage and late

> > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can

see from Adith

> > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early.

In her

> > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not

true for some

> > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well

negated by Moon

> > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith

ji's email.

> > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet

that give

> > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as

KP.

> > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth

details before

> > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not

only bring

> > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer

should do this

> > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with

the source as

> > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that.

If an

> > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will

always remain

> > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

uploaded in

> > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not

really

> > > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by

conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP Reader

III p 205 (Old

> > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for

delay but

> > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl

let us know to

> > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due

to 6th and

> > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and

present the result to

> > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in

Vedic. To get a

> > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12),

Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis

(16), King of

> > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of

any native,

> > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other

than having a

> > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in

the dasa of

> > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the

chart, BV

> > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned

from his grand

> > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.

> > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th

of partner's

> > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart

under

> > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in

Marriage " is

> > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo

is something

> > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any

doubt on delaying

> > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of

the marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which

shows

> > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either

the birth

> > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with

post-mortem

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of

the said point

> > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there

are many points

> > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon

in sat sign

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo

> > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is

our Quiz # 1

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@

wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed

out by Sunil

> > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early

marriage/ love

> > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in

many charts who

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not

in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line

of thinking

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect

on pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect

diff.is more

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no

question of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she

loved when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn

gives

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th

CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no

planet in 6)

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by

the star level

> > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who

is again in

> > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications

by sublord

> > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to

6,10, the

> > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath

on few cases

> > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not

favorable in many

> > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the

Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for

moe analysis.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along

with Rahu.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12

(just 9mts

> > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn.

*so strongly

> > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2

and 11 posited

> > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star

of Jupiter (as

> > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications

present, the

> > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7

Saturn and the lord

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is

present), she got

> > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is

running a happy

> > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil

gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i

have many

> > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune

effects the native..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses

so no

> > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss

during the dasa

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is

still unmarried.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter

star.. again a

> > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare

<

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if

7CSL

> > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8.

However this 7CSL

> > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL

is connected

> > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely

will have some

> > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or

negative). What I

> > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative

effect, as

> > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage

may not be

> > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I

am wrong.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji

personally and get

> > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the

same even now.

> > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine

" Nakshatrache

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read

those

> > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be

found in archive.

> > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

non-materialization of

> > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub

lord shani

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by

other planet,

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets.

Means if 7csl is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other

planet then

> > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or

primary as

> > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by

> > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of

marriage. As we see

> > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause

delay to a

> > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as

well as it is

> > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL

saturn, in this

> > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and

I delighted

> > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton

of pluto to

> > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be

another

> > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

Astrovision, The

> > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of

Sunil ji's

> > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA

lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of

neptune is not yet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3.

Agreed.4. When

> > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the

rationale? This is

> > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that

Pluto has

> > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient

number of cases

> > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow

planets such

> > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets

Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse

the effects.

> > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if

proved by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday,

September 27,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query

on financials

> > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing

about DBA or star

> > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on

Pluto to deny

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result

for the house

> > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to

give no marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give

marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify

whether Sunil ji

> > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic

is not found

> > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale

of such a small

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets.

Such kind of idea

> > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on

financials - View from

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It

would be more

> > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every

constellation rather than

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes

about 248 years

> > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed

only 9 out of

> > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data

for analyzing

> > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August

2009 Honorable

> > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that of

Hindu God

> > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it

begins to bring

> > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the

first step is

> > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in

Transit Page 477). "

> > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of

Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has

experienced

> > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not

based on

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as

there is no

> > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in

Vimshottari

> > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think

of is

> > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within

prescribed

> > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my

concept is

> > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar

ji that he has

> > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer

my services

> > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009

12:10:05 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on

financials - View

> > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic.

(KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey

Green, his

> > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa

Yogananda,

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological

chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to

mange the mystery

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive

> > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on

Astrology,

> > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise

appearance of

> > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8%

for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far

below to be the

> > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7

and 8 houses.

> > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by

mere appearance

> > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and

Relationships

> > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references,

Pluto is not

> > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight

points specific

> > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto

is supposed to

> > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the

results of that

> > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the

Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides

success and

> > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally

indicates power

> > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible

undesirable

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly

Neptune in the

> > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned

by karma to

> > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An

observation of the AA

> > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the

cause of no

> > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with

Pluto's adverse

> > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a

minimum of one

> > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as

mentioned by Judith

> > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on

this

> > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also

remember a couple of

> > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik

issue )on

> > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely

-ve effects . I

> > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting

the contents

> > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i

am following

> > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there

effects are

> > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter

also aspecting

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not

offering good

> > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive

results

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure

about pluto

> > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008

issue and i

> > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k

gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009

2:33:43 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the

lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is

in close

> > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun

the lord of

> > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in

> > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury.

Further

> > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12

in 11.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators

of 6,10, the

> > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not

favorable and

> > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet

in its star)

> > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken

as bad, as it

> > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to

foreign

> > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman

> > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman

included below]

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am

attaching a screen

> > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 (

i prepare the

> > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is

Sa. Its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner

is gaining he

> > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the

reason for bad

> > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09.

After that it is

> > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat

+ Ra )=

> > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we

say that 10th

> > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find

6,10,11 are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

11:05:09 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for

this

> > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT

TOB,the sublord

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the

Moon's starlord and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth

chart for this

> > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

6:44:11 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on

financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was

working on a

> > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation

for a couple of

> > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of

his life. When

> > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not.

BUT i was 100%

> > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable

to find any

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group

can point out

> > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10

yrs? What are the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Sunil Gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > www.astrologyask. com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

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> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> >

> >

> > http://mail.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes my Dear Bhora ji,Even by following the method you explained, there is a little difference in KPNA. when tally with the Punit's calculator.So I again adjusted the difference.But this is a difficult task of checking the correctness with some other SW, each time we need to erect a new chart from JHL.Hence there should be a permanent theory for the same.Is n't it?I can remember when there was a discussion on Ayanamsa, My Hon Guruji TW sir has given various ways and ideas in making correct KPNA. I hope my Guruji TW, will appear with his formulative solution for this very soon.Kalyan Sudan <msbohra62 Sent: Wed, October 14, 2009 8:35:38 AM Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

 

 

Dear Sunaji,

 

Basically JHora change per day 0.14 Seconds where as TWji have submitted the KPNA file in file sections it shows every year it should be 50 second more moments,which comes every day speed is 0.1369863 changes.And it is not in similarity as per day speed in KPNA as in that file.What is the reason i could not understand.

 

So these software shows some differences but within one year it very minutely difference so can be negligible.We can use it to adjust every year in setting for daily use for Horary.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

@gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Bhora ji,

>

> Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

>

> Wish you all the best.

>

> Kalyan

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sudan <msbohra62@. ..>

> @gro ups.com

> Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

>

> Dear Sunaparanthaji,

>

> Set JHora as below :-

>

> In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and coordinates and place of your place.

>

> Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you will find Add Tab. select "Apply the correction" than below it in "Second" add 22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

>

> Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

>

> Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per KPNA.

>

> In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for that year by correcting at "Second" level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for that year.

>

> Hope it will helpful.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra Ji,

> >

> > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an example.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards

> >

> > Kalyan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> >

> > Dear TWji,

> >

> > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as "Preferences" than you will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

> >

> > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

> >

> > Hope it will helpful.

> >

> > Thanks & regards,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friend,

> > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > It is done.

> > > >

> > > > Due regards.

> > > > Dr. Rath

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using members.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according to own preference.

> > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > >

> > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage / Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Amit

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New Ayanamsa...

> > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be too much of a difference

> > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness. ..

> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > >

> > > > > >" Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord respectively. ..!"

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

> > > > > >@gro ups.com, "G" <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified my birth time.

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > >>

> > > > > >> @gro ups.com, "TW" <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something practically by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage and seperation

> > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status (possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got big money

> > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time monetary gain;

> > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early marriage and late

> > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can see from Adith

> > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that early. In her

> > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is not true for some

> > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well negated by Moon

> > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from Adith ji's email.

> > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP astrologers who

> > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were referring my email

> > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the planet that give

> > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well as KP.

> > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth details before

> > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not only bring

> > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer should do this

> > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information with the source as

> > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that. If an

> > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions will always remain

> > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > 1. The "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is uploaded in

> > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really

> > > > > >> > > > delay." seems very strange to me. Do you have more such cases?>>>It has

> > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of "association" meaning in KP Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for delay but

> > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference, pl let us know to

> > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji, due to 6th and

> > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and present the result to

> > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in Vedic. To get a

> > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12), Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali Zulflikar

> > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis (16), King of

> > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of any native,

> > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification other than having a

> > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in the dasa of

> > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in the chart, BV

> > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as learned from his grand

> > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of Jupiter for death.

> > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek separation and

> > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies 6th of partner's

> > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@> wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the chart under

> > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > For information "Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage" is

> > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <% 40. com>,

> > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement "And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay." seems

> > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo is something

> > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any doubt on delaying

> > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor of the marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results which shows

> > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either the birth

> > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even with post-mortem

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your doubts.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of the said point

> > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there are many points

> > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and Moon in sat sign

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All cause Punarpoo

> > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really delay. may be

> > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As pointed out by Sunil

> > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early marriage/ love

> > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level signify

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7 signification.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in many charts who

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line of thinking

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th also.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect on pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto aspect diff.is more

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no question of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she loved when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn gives

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <% 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, "adith

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k" <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6 (no planet in 6)

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by the star level

> > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2) who is again in

> > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7 signfications by sublord

> > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to 6,10, the

> > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr. Rath on few cases

> > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not favorable in many

> > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro planets's star*

> > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for moe analysis.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2) along with Rahu.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12 (just 9mts

> > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn. *so strongly

> > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2 and 11 posited

> > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the star of Jupiter (as

> > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications present, the

> > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7 Saturn and the lord

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is present), she got

> > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is running a happy

> > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i have many

> > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad, 19N53,75E20

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and aspects Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune effects the native..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9 houses so no

> > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss during the dasa

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is still unmarried.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash Ektare <

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised if 7CSL

> > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8. However this 7CSL

> > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL is connected

> > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely will have some

> > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or negative). What I

> > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative effect, as

> > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances marriage may not be

> > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I am wrong.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji personally and get

> > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the same even now.

> > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the magazine "Nakshatrache

> > > > > >> > > > > > Dene"

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have read those

> > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be found in archive.

> > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for non-materialization of

> > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com <%

> > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on financials -

> > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal sub lord shani

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by other planet,

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets. Means if 7csl is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other planet then

> > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp or primary as

> > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8 being aspected by

> > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of marriage. As we see

> > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause delay to a

> > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as well as it is

> > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL saturn, in this

> > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving results. Though,

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding Pluto, As I had

> > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli and I delighted

> > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no connecton of pluto to

> > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will be another

> > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President, Astrovision, The

> > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114 ........7CSL Sat

> > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise marriage question

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding of Sunil ji's

> > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am wrong.In message #

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned:"results of neptune is not yet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... ......... .......but pluto

> > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation"2. I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the rationale? This is

> > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed that Pluto has

> > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient number of cases

> > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When shadow planets such

> > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to alter/reverse the effects.

> > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if proved by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday, September 27,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re: Query on financials

> > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing about DBA or star

> > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16123

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to deny

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16114

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite result for the house

> > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to give no marriage

> > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not give marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 14157

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify whether Sunil ji

> > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his presentations of

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely malefic is not found

> > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale of such a small

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets. Such kind of idea

> > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's interpretation. This

> > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through aspects of DBAS

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on financials - View from

> > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

> > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com, Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While studying the

> > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It would be more

> > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every constellation rather than

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes about 248 years

> > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it traverses each

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed only 9 out of

> > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough data for analyzing

> > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August 2009 Honorable

> > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > "The nature of Pluto is similar to that of Hindu God

> > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it begins to bring

> > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the first step is

> > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in Transit Page 477)."

> > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar has experienced

> > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is not based on

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as there is no

> > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place in Vimshottari

> > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can think of is

> > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course within prescribed

> > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether my concept is

> > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to offer my services

> > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his guidance.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:10:05 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on financials - View

> > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor, Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to mange the mystery

> > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within evolution. A positive

> > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common Plutonian

> > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays on Astrology,

> > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus house-wise appearance of

> > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is (1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly different from

> > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the house-wise

> > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8% for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far below to be the

> > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7 and 8 houses.

> > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by mere appearance

> > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto and Relationships

> > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references, Pluto is not

> > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and astrological

> > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight points specific

> > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239. Pluto is supposed to

> > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the results of that

> > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection provides success and

> > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly malefic or

> > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally indicates power

> > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with possible undesirable

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly Neptune in the

> > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not condemned by karma to

> > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An observation of the AA

> > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the cause of no

> > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore undesirable to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with Pluto's adverse

> > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring a minimum of one

> > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as mentioned by Judith

> > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit Soman wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji on this

> > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also remember a couple of

> > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009 Vasantik issue )on

> > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely -ve effects . I

> > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for reminding.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am pasting the contents

> > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of "Pluto Effects" the

> > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but i am following

> > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there effects are

> > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto within 3 deg.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter also aspecting

> > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are not offering good

> > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive results

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure about pluto

> > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali 2008 issue and i

> > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto effects.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:33:43 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who is in close

> > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by satrun the lord of

> > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies 11(no planet in

> > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12 Mercury. Further

> > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12 in 11.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable signficators of 6,10, the

> > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are not favorable and

> > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no planet in its star)

> > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be taken as bad, as it

> > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related to foreign

> > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit Soman

> > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman included below]

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am attaching a screen

> > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33 ( i prepare the

> > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub is Sa. Its

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to 8-11-2014

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8( inheritance

> > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in profession but

> > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if partner is gaining he

> > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the reason for bad

> > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09. After that it is

> > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to 23-04-2012.

> > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect (4)(8)

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB ( Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning we say that 10th

> > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 11:05:09 AM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for this

> > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as Saturn...earlier

> > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the sublord of II

> > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord

> > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth chart for this

> > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009 6:44:11 PM

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on financials

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was working on a

> > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation for a couple of

> > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of his life. When

> > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not. BUT i was 100%

> > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable to find any

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the group can point out

> > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10 yrs? What are the

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sunaji,

 

I will also wants to know making of KPNA by TWji for my learning.

 

1 or 2 Second difference in Ayanamsa makes any differences in Sub level or

Sub-Sub level ? I think there is no any differences at that level,so it hardly

effects the predication by KP system.

 

Better can be well explained by TWji,Wait for his comments.

 

Thanks & regards,

 

M.S/Bohra

 

, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha wrote:

>

> Yes my Dear Bhora ji,

>

> Even by following the method you explained, there is a little difference in

KPNA. when tally with the Punit's calculator.

> So I again adjusted the difference.

>

> But this is a difficult task of checking the correctness with some other SW,

each time we need to erect a new chart from JHL.

> Hence there should be a permanent theory for the same.

> Is n't it?

>

> I can remember when there was a discussion on Ayanamsa, My Hon Guruji TW sir

has given various ways and ideas in making correct KPNA. I hope my Guruji TW,

will appear with his formulative solution for this very soon.

>

> Kalyan

>

>

> ________________________________

> Sudan <msbohra62

>

> Wed, October 14, 2009 8:35:38 AM

> Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

>

>

> Dear Sunaji,

>

> Basically JHora change per day 0.14 Seconds where as TWji have submitted the

KPNA file in file sections it shows every year it should be 50 second more

moments,which comes every day speed is 0.1369863 changes.And it is not in

similarity as per day speed in KPNA as in that file.What is the reason i could

not understand.

>

> So these software shows some differences but within one year it very minutely

difference so can be negligible.We can use it to adjust every year in setting

for daily use for Horary.

>

> Thanks & regards,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

> @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhora ji,

> >

> > Thank you very very much for your detailed reply

> >

> > Wish you all the best.

> >

> > Kalyan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Tue, October 13, 2009 6:31:32 PM

> > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji Gondhelkar

> >

> >

> > Dear Sunaparanthaji,

> >

> > Set JHora as below :-

> >

> > In Birth data you select the date 1st Jan,2009 and time 00:00:00. and

coordinates and place of your place.

> >

> > Open Preference >Ayanamsa > select Krishnamurti (KP)> in same window you

will find Add Tab. select " Apply the correction " than below it in " Second " add

22.7000 and click OK. You have done now see the Ayanamsa you will get what KPNA

is ,23-53-33,for 1st Jan;2009.

> >

> > Now click again on Preference Tab,you will find Save Preference select

it.Now your JHora is set for you on KPNA for this year.

> >

> > Now close the programme and reopen it and see on today what Ayanamsa you

have in your JHora and tally it with other software whom you find correct as per

KPNA.

> >

> > In so many year it shows some differences so we can use it with setting for

that year by correcting at " Second " level in Add Tab to get desire KPPNA for

that year.

> >

> > Hope it will helpful.

> >

> > Thanks & regards,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra Ji,

> > >

> > > Can you kindly give more explanation for adjusting KPNA in JHL, with an

example.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > >

> > > Kalyan

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Sudan <msbohra62@ ..>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tue, October 13, 2009 8:16:58 AM

> > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear TWji,

> > >

> > > Every 1st Jan of new year if you set KPNA by correcting to add in seconds

section with choosing Krishnamurti Ayanamsa than set as " Preferences " than you

will get KPNA for full year without any correction every time.

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa > Krishnamurti > Add (Between 22 to 25 second)>second as you get

right KPNA on 1st Jan in software of JHora than > Preference > Save Preference.

> > >

> > > Hope it will helpful.

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > Thank you for the step by step explanation.

> > > > What would be the easy and safe way to get the KPNA(2003)?

> > > > Of course, this procedure is for JHora 3.3 version.

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > TW

> > > >

> > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sir,

> > > > > The following are the steps: -

> > > > > 1. Click on 'Preferences' .

> > > > > 2.Go to 'Related to calculations' .

> > > > > 3.Select 'Ayanamsa'.

> > > > > 4.Select 'Tropical(sayana) " ayanamsa.

> > > > > 5. In 'customize further' box-

> > > > > a) Tick mark on 'Apply the correction specified below----'

> > > > > b) Select 'Add'.

> > > > > c) Fill in the KPNA(2003) in Deg-Min-Sec.

> > > > > 6. Finally click OK.

> > > > > It is done.

> > > > >

> > > > > Due regards.

> > > > > Dr. Rath

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > TW <tw853@>

> > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > Thu, October 8, 2009 7:15:11 PM

> > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > Could you kindly share your way of prefence in adjusting the JHora

positions to get them as per the KPNA (2003) for the benefit of JHora using

members.

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > TW

> > > > >

> > > > > @gro ups.com, Luther Rath <rathluther@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > J Hora is quite good enough. The Ayanamsa can be adjusted according

to own preference.

> > > > > > Dr. Rath.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Amit Soman <amitbs2002@ ...>

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 4:39:00 PM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bohraji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also use Jhora, but i always use the NKPA from Astrosage /

Mykundali. This worksfine. I have tallied the results from Jhora with almost all

the SW & they are as good as anbody in the group.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Amit

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >

> > > > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > Mon, October 5, 2009 1:34:57 AM

> > > > > > Re: Re: Query on financials - View from

Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sudan,

> > > > > > I have already mentioned in these columns that the

Ayanamsa used by J.Hora is not the New K.P. Ayanamsa...pl use Mr..Rangarajan' s

SW...for best results...I use the late Mr.A.R.Raichur' s SW... both use K.P. New

Ayanamsa...

> > > > > > Also,I suggest you rework it as there seems to be

too much of a difference

> > > > > > Mr.G.Singh has himself e-mailed,(see above),that

the TOB arrived at by him and me were tha same...and confirmed it's correctness.

...

> > > > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 10/4/09, Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Sudan <msbohra62 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

> > > > > > > Re: Query on financials - View from Sunilji

Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >Sunday, October 4, 2009, 7:04 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Dear G.Singh ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >As Lajmi ji have given the rule for BTR as :-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > " Remember,for arriving at the EXACT TOB,the sublord and the

sub-sub lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the Moon's starlord and sub-lord

respectively. ..! "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >I am getting your right birth time up to Sub-Sub-Sub level of

Ascendant ,is 10:15:05 than which one is correct as per rule ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Ascendant : Me-Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > >Moon : Ve-Me-Sa

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Sw : JHora 7.33 with KP Ayanamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >@gro ups.com, " G " <hbk1hbk_2100@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> The correct birth time is 10:14:30 AM. Lajmi ji and I rectified

my birth time.

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> G. Singh

> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> @gro ups.com, " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Dear BTR practising Friends,

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 1. Could you kindly help me to provide the BRT-ed TOB of the

very interesting chart for my presentation of analysis to learn something

practically by discussion in the forum.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 2. Three rectified TOBs have been posted as given under:

> > > > > > >> > 1) 10:05:00 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > >> > 2) 10:13:35 AM, Ludhiana, Punjab

> > > > > > >> > 3) 10:14:30 AM, Ludhiana, Punjabcorrect

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > 3. Major events are as given under.

> > > > > > >> > 1) Feb 1987 to Jan 1990 (Ra-Ra-Ju-Sa to Ra-Ju-Sa-Ra) marriage

and seperation

> > > > > > >> > 2) 20 Aug 1991 (Ra/Ju/Ra/Me) achieved a very high status

(possibly by lottery gain?)

> > > > > > >> > 3) last week of august 1992 (Rahu/Sat/Ketu/ Venus) suddenly got

big money

> > > > > > >> > 4) Sept 2000 to Apr 2001 (Ra/Ve/Me to Ra/Su/Mo) second time

monetary gain;

> > > > > > >> > 5) May 2003 to July 2008 (Ra-Mo-Ra to Ju-Sa-Ma) had a very

passionate relationship but lost money and finally broke up while studying

abroad getting schorlarship;

> > > > > > >> > 6) 13 Oct 2009 (Ju/Me/Ke/Sa) third time monetary gain and start

of illegal relationship is predicted by dasa of natal and only transit

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Note: Sookshmas may be different depending the TOB taken.

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > TW

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Dear Tw ji,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Please note my views on each mentioned point -

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > 1. Shri KSK's definition of Punarphoo is very clear. Early

marriage and late

> > > > > > >> > > marriage always depends upon the place and custom. If we can

see from Adith

> > > > > > >> > > ji's reply that the mentioned early marraige is not that

early. In her

> > > > > > >> > > place, it seems that 15 years is marriageable age which is

not true for some

> > > > > > >> > > of the other places of India. Saturn's impact is very well

negated by Moon

> > > > > > >> > > and Mercury. I got the answer what I was looking for from

Adith ji's email.

> > > > > > >> > > 2.. I also do not treat 6 and 12 for delay. But there are KP

astrologers who

> > > > > > >> > > do that. You can see the forum archive for the same.

> > > > > > >> > > 3. I mentioned Adith ji and not Sunil ji. I guess you were

referring my email

> > > > > > >> > > only when you said Sunil ji in point no. 3.

> > > > > > >> > > 4. Saturn is delaying planet and Moon & Mercury are the

planet that give

> > > > > > >> > > early results. Clues are already available in Vedic as well

as KP.

> > > > > > >> > > 5. It is astrologer's duty to ensure correctness of birth

details before

> > > > > > >> > > proceeding to analysis. If he will not do that, he will not

only bring

> > > > > > >> > > disgrace to himself but to astrology as well. An astrologer

should do this

> > > > > > >> > > by all means possible including verifying the information

with the source as

> > > > > > >> > > well as applying astrological principles and tally with that.

If an

> > > > > > >> > > astrologer can not verify past events, future predictions

will always remain

> > > > > > >> > > non-reliable.

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:11 PM, TW <tw853@> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > 1. The " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in Marriage " is

uploaded in

> > > > > > >> > > > response to >>> Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do

not really

> > > > > > >> > > > delay. " seems very strange to me. Do you have more such

cases?>>>It has

> > > > > > >> > > > been extended up to 24 years of age with Punarphoo only by

conj, aspt or opp

> > > > > > >> > > > of Saturn on the basis of " association " meaning in KP

Reader III p 205 (Old

> > > > > > >> > > > Edition Practical Part p 49.

> > > > > > >> > > > 2. In KP as far as my study goes, 6th and 12th are not for

delay but

> > > > > > >> > > > separation leading to marriage. If there is any reference,

pl let us know to

> > > > > > >> > > > study in this regard.

> > > > > > >> > > > 3. If there are many cases of delay, as said by Sunil ji,

due to 6th and

> > > > > > >> > > > 12th, pl provide them and I'll run on the computer and

present the result to

> > > > > > >> > > > the forum.

> > > > > > >> > > > 4. Early marriage is not available in KP as emphasized in

Vedic. To get a

> > > > > > >> > > > clue, early marriage charts of Dr. Rajendra Prasad (12),

Mahatma Gandhi

> > > > > > >> > > > (13), Queen Mother Chretienne (13), Mao Tse Tung (14), Ali

Zulflikar

> > > > > > >> > > > Bhutto (15), Adith ji's client chart (15), Lorraine Davis

(16), King of

> > > > > > >> > > > England Edward II (16), Marti Cane (16) etc can be studied.

> > > > > > >> > > > 5. Any astrological rule cannot fit each and every event of

any native,

> > > > > > >> > > > and in the Vedic priority is to find the justification

other than having a

> > > > > > >> > > > doubt in TOB, for instance in the case of Tagore's death in

the dasa of

> > > > > > >> > > > Jupiter, not only natural benefic but also well placed in

the chart, BV

> > > > > > >> > > > Raman had easily opted deadly star lord of Jupiter as

learned from his grand

> > > > > > >> > > > father and Sanjay Rath had found the star lord Gulika of

Jupiter for death.

> > > > > > >> > > > Another example chart is Elizabeth Taylor who used to seek

separation and

> > > > > > >> > > > divorce with her initiation al though her 7CSL signifies

6th of partner's

> > > > > > >> > > > walking out.

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Punit Pandey <punitp@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks Tw ji.I

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > These are the points we are discussing -

> > > > > > >> > > > > 1. 7th lord and 7th CSL is Saturn

> > > > > > >> > > > > 2. Saturn owns 6th and posited in 12th

> > > > > > >> > > > > 3. Technically there is no Punarphoo (

> > > > > > >> > > > > http://logy. astrosage. com/punarphoo) in the

chart under

> > > > > > >> > > > discussion,

> > > > > > >> > > > > only sign exchange.

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > What in this chart shows early marriage at the age of 15?

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 9:38 AM, TW tw853@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Punit ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > For information " Punarphoo Charts Without Delay in

Marriage " is

> > > > > > >> > > > uploaded in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the File section.

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > @gro ups.com <%

40. com>,

> > > > > > >> > > > Punit

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pandey punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your statement " And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. " seems

> > > > > > >> > > > very

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > strange to me. Do you have more such cases? Punarphoo

is something

> > > > > > >> > > > quite

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > tested by this time and I do not think there is any

doubt on delaying

> > > > > > >> > > > > > nature

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > of Punarphoo. In KP, Punarphoo is the primary factor

of the marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > delay.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case we are seeing just opposite results

which shows

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > possibility that something is wrong somewhere. Either

the birth

> > > > > > >> > > > details

> > > > > > >> > > > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > error or KP rules doesn't work in this case. Even

with post-mortem

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > justification, early marriage is hard to justify.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:50 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > gkadithkasinath@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have replied in detail to Sunil ji on your

doubts.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But you doubt on the birth details just becasue of

the said point

> > > > > > >> > > > seems

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be incorrect. We can not just jump to such

conclusion. Sat being

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > will not give early marriage is not a rule . there

are many points

> > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > be lookedinto. even here Sat is in Moon sign and

Moon in sat sign

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > (Parivarthana) also. Sat is in the sub of Moon. All

cause Punarpoo

> > > > > > >> > > > > > also. But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > did not delay. And all Punarpoo cases do not really

delay. may be

> > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > >> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > study the other factors also.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As I have said, she is very close to mine. And she

is our Quiz # 1

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also, (the Cystic ovary surgery).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Punit Pandey

punitp@ wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Dear Adith ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Do you know the quoted female personally? As

pointed out by Sunil

> > > > > > >> > > > ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> also do not see indication of that much early

marriage/ love

> > > > > > >> > > > marriage/

> > > > > > >> > > > > > happy

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> marriage. Birth details seems doubtful to me.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Punit Pandey

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:13 PM, sunilalaka

sunilalaka@wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> dear adith,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks for the quick reply.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in my case as you mentioned that star level

signify

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6-10-12 strongly and sub level gives 2-7

signification.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> you may notice that such positions are found in

many charts who

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> married at proper or delayed period..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> retro planets effects are taken in horary and not

in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> natal..is what i understand from kp..so your line

of thinking

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not as per kp.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> now about your presented case of marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is saturn who is in 12th and lord of 6th

also.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> there are planets in star of saturn so its aspect

on pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not considered.. .also jupiter and pluto

aspect diff.is more

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> than orb level of 3-20..it is 9 degrees..so no

question of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can you clarify?why she married to one who she

loved when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th sub is not connected with 5th..and how saturn

gives

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> a early marriage?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> thanks

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> @gro ups.com <%

40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>, " adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> kasinath.g.k " <gkadithkasinath@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > In the chart given by you, as all know the 7th

CSL Sun is lord

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 12 is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in the star of sat ( R) the lord of 6

(no planet in 6)

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > sat

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > posited in 10. *These 6,10,12 signfications by

the star level

> > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> detrimental

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > for the marraige.* The sublord is Rahu (in 2)

who is again in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter (

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> R)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star the lord of 7 in 7. Though 2,7

signfications by sublord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > present,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > star level signfications strongly connected to

6,10, the

> > > > > > >> > > > marraige

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > delayed. Further as already analysed by Dr.

Rath on few cases

> > > > > > >> > > > > > study,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > signfications of *10 along with 7* are not

favorable in many

> > > > > > >> > > > cases.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Moreover

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > the sublord and its sublord are in the *Retro

planets's star*

> > > > > > >> > > > which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > agrrevate the impact which I noticed in the

Dr.Rath's study

> > > > > > >> > > > charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > conveyed then. This also can be considered for

moe analysis.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *if you analyse the below chart :*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Female:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 6/7/1977

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 10.25 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Jalagandapuram, Near Salem, Tamil Nadu,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 11n42

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 77e53

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > She has Pluto in Virgo in Moon star (in 2)

along with Rahu.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupiter is in Taurus in 10 and aspects Pluto*.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *7th CSL is Saturn* (the lord of 6 and 7)in 12

(just 9mts

> > > > > > >> > > > crossed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 11th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Cusp). No planet in 6 and no planet in saturn.

*so strongly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfies

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6.*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Saturn is in the star of Mercury the lord of 2

and 11 posited

> > > > > > >> > > > in 11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > own sign.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn also aspects Pluto by 3rd aspect*.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Saturn is in the sub of Moon who is in the

star of Jupiter (as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> case)*

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Jupietr the lord of 5 in 10 and aspects Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *But no Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > *Though there are strong 6,10 signfications

present, the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signfications

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > 5,2,11 and the aspect of Both the lord of 7

Saturn and the lord

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupietr

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > on the 2nd house (actually where pluto is

present), she got

> > > > > > >> > > > married

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > one who she loved. *

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > DoYou know at what age? at her *15.* She is

running a happy

> > > > > > >> > > > marital

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> life

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > with children.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Hence we have all the reasons within KP itself.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:04 PM, sunil

gondhalekar <sunilalaka@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > dear subhash,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > in my articles i have mentioned that still i

have many

> > > > > > >> > > > experieced

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > cases about Pluto and Neptune.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > today a gentleman visited me.his details are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Prashant:30th Nov.1975;2-15AM; Aurangabad,

19N53,75E20

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Mercury conj.Neptune. ..Jupiter opp.Pluto and

aspects Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > current dasa of Jupiter till Oct.2012

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Jupiter in Mercury star and thus Neptune

effects the native..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > as per 4 step Jupiter signify only 1-3 9

houses so no

> > > > > > >> > > > stability

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> job

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > brother cheated him and huge financial loss

during the dasa

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > and one more important point...the native is

still unmarried.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > 7th sub is Sun in Rahu sub and Rahu in

Jupiter star.. again a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > Pluto effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > thanks

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Subhash

Ektare <

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > > subhash_ektare@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Patil ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As far as I know, that marriage is promised

if 7CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > signifies

> > > > > > >> > > > > > any of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses 2, 7, 11 or supporting houses 5, 8.

However this 7CSL

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is Shani

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in this case) is aspecting Pluto. Thus 7 CSL

is connected

> > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Therefore, in my opinion, Pluto definitely

will have some

> > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> matter of marriage (may be positive or

negative). What I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > understood

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunil ji is Pluto generally has negative

effect, as

> > > > > > >> > > > experienced

> > > > > > >> > > > > > by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> him in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many cases. Under such circumstances

marriage may not be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > promised

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> due to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's negative effect. Please correct if I

am wrong.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> I am fortunate enough to know Sunil ji

personally and get

> > > > > > >> > > > his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> personal

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> guidance for past few years and getting the

same even now.

> > > > > > >> > > > He

> > > > > > >> > > > > > has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> given many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases concerning Pluto Effect in the

magazine " Nakshatrache

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dene "

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> edited and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> published by him. Probably you might have

read those

> > > > > > >> > > > articles.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Birth data of this particular case can be

found in archive.

> > > > > > >> > > > If

> > > > > > >> > > > > > you

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify some other reason for

non-materialization of

> > > > > > >> > > > marriage I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> glad to know it.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ------------ --------- ---------

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> ** VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

vijayanand@ >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *To:* @gro ups.com

<%

> > > > > > >> > > > 40. com><k_p_ system%

> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 40. com>

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Cc:* subhash_ektare@ ; guide_

vijayanand@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 1, 2009 7:16:50 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: Query on

financials -

> > > > > > >> > > > View

> > > > > > >> > > > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear subhashji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> As is known from your post that 7th cuspal

sub lord shani

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Whenever any planet who is being aspected by

other planet,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspected

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> will offer the results of apecting planets.

Means if 7csl is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sigifying

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage and 7th csl is aspecting any other

planet then

> > > > > > >> > > > aspected

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planet will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> offer the results of 7th house. If 7th cusp

or primary as

> > > > > > >> > > > well

> > > > > > >> > > > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> secondary

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> houses for marriage i.e. 7, 2, 11 and 5, 8

being aspected by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> then

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there will be disturbance or denial of

marriage. As we see

> > > > > > >> > > > that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cusps are aspecte by Saturn, it will cause

delay to a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > considerable

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> time. As

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto is not having any signs of its own as

well as it is

> > > > > > >> > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > having

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> DBAs,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> when Pluto has been aspected by 7th CSL

saturn, in this

> > > > > > >> > > > case,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> supposed to give or to abstain from giving

results. Though,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> discovered certain good principles regarding

Pluto, As I had

> > > > > > >> > > > an

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> occasion to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> attend his one of 4 step seminar at Sangli

and I delighted

> > > > > > >> > > > with

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theknowledge

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> of it. But in this case there is no

connecton of pluto to

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cusp.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> So not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> materialising marriage, there may and will

be another

> > > > > > >> > > > reasons

> > > > > > >> > > > > > which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> we canot

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> identify now.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> With regards.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Vijayanand Ranakar Patil, President,

Astrovision, The

> > > > > > >> > > > SCientific

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Socy.for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Research and Devt. inAstrology,

Kolhapur,Maharashtr a, India

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> email : guide_ vijayanand@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> vijayanand_astrogui de@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> visit : physics@

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0530 wrote

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Members,In messages #16123, # 16114

.........7CSL Sat

> > > > > > >> > > > aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> denymarriage. Since 7 CSL does not promise

marriage question

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > DBA

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> orstar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord theory did not arise..My understanding

of Sunil ji's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > principle

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is even

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> if 7 CSL promises themarriage, but if DBA

lords aspect Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> result is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> negative. Sunil jimay correct me if I am

wrong.In message #

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 14157.....It was

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Nep occupying 11th house, not Pluto. In

thismessage also Mr.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhalekar ji has mentioned: " results of

neptune is not yet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> confirmed... ......... ......... .........

........but pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > gives

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> negation " 2. I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> think only Sunil ji can clarify this

point.3. Agreed.4. When

> > > > > > >> > > > we

> > > > > > >> > > > > > say

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn is delaying planet, what is the

rationale? This is

> > > > > > >> > > > based

> > > > > > >> > > > > > on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> observations. Similarly, it was observed

that Pluto has

> > > > > > >> > > > negative

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> However I agree with TW ji that sufficient

number of cases

> > > > > > >> > > > > > should be

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studied

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and presented to prove the point. When

shadow planets such

> > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu/Ketu can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> alter/reverse the effects of other planets

Pluto, Neptune,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Uranus

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> some mass can also have power to

alter/reverse the effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> idea may

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not be in KP, but it can bea part of KP if

proved by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> research.Subhash

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> EktareTW @: Sunday,

September 27,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2009 5:32:19 AM Re:

Query on financials

> > > > > > >> > > > -

> > > > > > >> > > > > > View

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Sunilji Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Dear Subhash Ektare ji and Friends,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1. I am sorry to say that there is nothing

about DBA or star

> > > > > > >> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> theory

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in the following messages posted before.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 1) Below it is 7CSL Sa's aspect on Pluto to

deny marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16123

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2) Under is the same that 7CSL Sa's aspect

on Pluto to deny

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 16114

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3) Below is Pluto to give the opposite

result for the house

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (there

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 11th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> house/ gain)which it occupied, ie. 11th to

give no marriage

> > > > > > >> > > > > > instead

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage. It would be the same in 7th not

give marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 14157

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 2. Could anyone or Sunil ji kindly clarify

whether Sunil ji

> > > > > > >> > > > has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> found any

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> positive result of Pluto in any of his

presentations of

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effect.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 3. The idea of a planet to be wholely

malefic is not found

> > > > > > >> > > > in KP

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Western or even Vedic.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 4. Could anyone kindly explain the rationale

of such a small

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satellite can

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reverse the effects of other real planets.

Such kind of idea

> > > > > > >> > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in KP.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> @gro ups.com, Subhash

Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Respected TW ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Thanks for reference to Sunil ji's

interpretation. This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > confirms

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Pluto activates houses in question through

aspects of DBAS

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > lords. Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Friday, September 25, 2009 4:17:11

AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > Re: Query on

financials - View from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 16123

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 16114

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/

> > > > > > >> > > > 14157

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > @gro ups.com,

Subhash Ektare wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Friends and Members

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > KP is basically Steller Astrology. While

studying the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > we have to follow principle of KP. It

would be more

> > > > > > >> > > > > > appropriate

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > the transits of Pluto in every

constellation rather than

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> studying its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in any particular house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto was discovered in 1930. It takes

about 248 years

> > > > > > >> > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> complete one

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > revolution around the Sun. This means it

traverses each

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> constellation

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> in about

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9 years. So till today, it has traversed

only 9 out of

> > > > > > >> > > > 27

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> constellations. Therefore

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > it is not possible to collect enough

data for analyzing

> > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > In page 30 para 5 of KP Ezine of August

2009 Honorable

> > > > > > >> > > > TW ji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> says

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > " The nature of Pluto is similar to that

of Hindu God

> > > > > > >> > > > Shiva,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> creator and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > destroyer. As Pluto transits a house it

begins to bring

> > > > > > >> > > > deep

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> transformation

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to that house and it's issues and the

first step is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > destruction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> anything that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > needs it.......... ......(Planets in

Transit Page 477). "

> > > > > > >> > > > > > This

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > nature as observed.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > As all of us know that the effects of

Pluto and Neptune

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> considered in KP.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It appears that Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar

has experienced

> > > > > > >> > > > such

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> effects in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. But as far as I can see, it is

not based on

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto's

> > > > > > >> > > > > > (or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune's) appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > in particular Bhava or constellation as

there is no

> > > > > > >> > > > research

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> data

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> available.. Further

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Pluto or Neptune do not find any place

in Vimshottari

> > > > > > >> > > > Dasha

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> System..

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Then how

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > to find their effect? Only way I can

think of is

> > > > > > >> > > > conjunction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of the DBAS

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > lords with these plants (of course

within prescribed

> > > > > > >> > > > orb). I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> would

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> like to request

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Mr. Sunil Gondhalekar to guide whether

my concept is

> > > > > > >> > > > correct

> > > > > > >> > > > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> wrong.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > It was mentioned by Mr. Sunil

Gondhalekar ji that he has

> > > > > > >> > > > > > come

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> across

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> many such

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > cases. If permitted I would like to

offer my services

> > > > > > >> > > > for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> systematic

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> study and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > compilation of the findings under his

guidance.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Subhash Ektare

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > TW

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Thursday, September 24, 2009

12:10:05 PM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Re: Query on

financials - View

> > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Sunilji

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Gondhelkar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Extract from Pluto is Not Always

Malefic. (KPE-zine Aug

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 2009)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Western

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Experience

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4. Largely thanks to the books of

Jeffrey Green, his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > daughter

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Deva

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Green and their spiritual mentor,

Paramahansa Yogananda,

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> known as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the evolutionary engine in the astrological

chart. Jeffrey

> > > > > > >> > > > Green

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> said that

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Pluto was where astrologers could begin to

mange the mystery

> > > > > > >> > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> soul,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appreciate the sense of journey within

evolution. A positive

> > > > > > >> > > > > > side of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found by Robert Hand is that a fairly common

Plutonian

> > > > > > >> > > > > > profession is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> physical therapy or psychotherapy. (Essays

on Astrology,

> > > > > > >> > > > page

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 46)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Observation of AA Charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 14. First of all, the Placidus

house-wise appearance of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune in the 100 unmarried AA charts of

AstroDatabank 4.0

> > > > > > >> > > > are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> checked and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found as given under.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Appearance of Ne and Pl in Houses

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > H... Ne.. Pl

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 1.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 2.. 12.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 3.. 8.. 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 4.. 10.. 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 5.. 6.. 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 6.. 4.. 2

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 7.. 7.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 8.. 6.. 15

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 9.. 11.. 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 10.. 10.. 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 11 6 5

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 12 9 9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 15. The average appearance in a house is

(1/12=) 8%. The

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> house-wise

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearance of Neptune is not significantly

different from

> > > > > > >> > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> average of 8%,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> except 12% in the 2nd house. For Pluto, the

house-wise

> > > > > > >> > > > > > appearance is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significantly higher than the average of 8%

for the 2, 7 and

> > > > > > >> > > > 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> houses by

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> appearing 15% each. However, it is still far

below to be the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cause

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of no

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> marriage by Pluto's placement in any of 2,7

and 8 houses.

> > > > > > >> > > > Hence

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Pluto or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Neptune cannot be a cause of no marriage by

mere appearance

> > > > > > >> > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 7th

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (marriage) house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > Findings

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 18. In the Western literature on Pluto

and Relationships

> > > > > > >> > > > or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Synastry

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (Eastern Matching) given in the references,

Pluto is not

> > > > > > >> > > > wholly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> malefic or

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> benefic depending Pluto's sign, position and

astrological

> > > > > > >> > > > > > aspects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Rahu and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ketu are given an important role in eight

points specific

> > > > > > >> > > > > > procedure

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> followed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by Jeff Green in Pluto Vol I, page 239.

Pluto is supposed to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > magnify

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> planet it contacts but not to change the

results of that

> > > > > > >> > > > planet

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> always for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> bad. In Noel Tyl's experience, the

Pluto-Saturn connection

> > > > > > >> > > > > > carries

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> heavy

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> loss and the Pluto-Jupiter connection

provides success and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wealth.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> (Noel

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Tyl, pages 92-93) In KP, no planet is wholly

malefic or

> > > > > > >> > > > benefic.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 19. Moreover, Pluto in 7th generally

indicates power

> > > > > > >> > > > > > struggle

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> between

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> the native and the other person with

possible undesirable

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> consequences, but

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> not outright no marriage at all. Similarly

Neptune in the

> > > > > > >> > > > 7th is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > not

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> doomed

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> to disappointing relationships, not

condemned by karma to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > relinquish

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> them

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> altogether. (Liz Greene, page 386) An

observation of the AA

> > > > > > >> > > > > > charts

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> shows that Pluto in 7th house cannot be the

cause of no

> > > > > > >> > > > > > marriage.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > 20. The bottom line that it is therefore

undesirable to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> senselessly

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> make a client or hapless friend upset with

Pluto's adverse

> > > > > > >> > > > > > effects,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> which

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are not backed by cited research, requiring

a minimum of one

> > > > > > >> > > > > > hundred

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> carefully documented case studies, as

mentioned by Judith

> > > > > > >> > > > Hill

> > > > > > >> > > > > > in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Medical

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Astrology, page 58.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Amit

Soman wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Hi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > I got a intresting reply from sunilji

on this

> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> pointing to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> aspects of Dasha Lord on Pluto. I also

remember a couple of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > write

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> ups( in a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Marathi Magzine Nakshtrache Dene 2009

Vasantik issue )on

> > > > > > >> > > > effect

> > > > > > >> > > > > > of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> aspects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> on Pluto, Uranus & Neptune giving extremely

-ve effects . I

> > > > > > >> > > > had

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> almost

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> forgot about it. Sunilji thnks for

reminding.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > For the benefit of members i am

pasting the contents

> > > > > > >> > > > from

> > > > > > >> > > > > > his

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> mail(

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with his permission ) as below :

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > dear amit,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > this is a very typical case of " Pluto

Effects " the

> > > > > > >> > > > extra

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planetary

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> effects are not considered by kp system,but

i am following

> > > > > > >> > > > these

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> planets and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> found to give a correct result if there

effects are

> > > > > > >> > > > considered.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > in the case chart Saturn aspects Pluto

within 3 deg.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Mars opp.Hershal( Uranus) and Jupiter

also aspecting

> > > > > > >> > > > Pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > > > @4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> degrees.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > and thats why Saturn and planets are

not offering good

> > > > > > >> > > > > > results

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> 10-11 bhavas. pluto gives a desctructive

results

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > when i seen your mail,i was very sure

about pluto

> > > > > > >> > > > effects

> > > > > > >> > > > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> when

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> seen on SW it was confirmed.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > pluto cases are given in my diwali

2008 issue and i

> > > > > > >> > > > have

> > > > > > >> > > > > > got

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> many

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> cases about it.now be caution about pluto

effects.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > adith kasinath.g.k

gkadithkasinath@ ...

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Wednesday, September 23, 2009

2:33:43 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Dear Amit Soman ji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu receives aspect from Saturn the

lord of 7,8,9.

> > > > > > >> > > > Out of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> these 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> and 9 are detrimental for profession.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is in Mars star (lord of 5) who

is in close

> > > > > > >> > > > > > cojunction

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> with the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Badaka Lord Venus. Both are aspected by

satrun the lord of

> > > > > > >> > > > 8.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Rahu is Jup sub. Jup strongly signfies

11(no planet in

> > > > > > >> > > > its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> star).

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> For this Asc. 11 is Badaka house.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Jupiter is cojoined lord of 12

Mercury. Further

> > > > > > >> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > >> > > > > > being

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Virgo also represents Mercury the lord of 12

in 11.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Thorugh there are favorable

signficators of 6,10, the

> > > > > > >> > > > 5(12

> > > > > > >> > > > > > to

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 6) ,8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> (obstacles, strugles) ,9 (12 to 10),12 are

not favorable and

> > > > > > >> > > > it

> > > > > > >> > > > > > is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> being

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Saturn casues the obstacles (Sat has no

planet in its star)

> > > > > > >> > > > .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> indication of 9 along with 10 can not be

taken as bad, as it

> > > > > > >> > > > may

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signfy the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> change in profession or profession related

to foreign

> > > > > > >> > > > countries.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > But

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5,8,12

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> are detrimental.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Adith

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Amit

Soman

> > > > > > >> > > > amitbs2002@

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> wrote:

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >[Attachment( s) from Amit Soman

included below]

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Lajmiji,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I prepared the horoscope. I am

attaching a screen

> > > > > > >> > > > shot in

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> .doc

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> file & the actual horoscope from Jhora 7.33

( i prepare the

> > > > > > >> > > > cusp

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> chart +

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> significations manually ). The 2,7 & 10th sub

is Sa. Its

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> significations per 4

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> step are :

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sa : (1)(7)(8)9

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Sa-Me: (11)12(4)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Sa-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >star of Ve-Ve : (10)11Conj Ma(10)(5)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The Dasha is also of Sa 8-11-1995 to

8-11-2014

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > I see +ve significations of 1,7,8(

inheritance

> > > > > > >> > > > ),11 & 10.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Though 8

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> is there i guess it will create problems in

profession but

> > > > > > >> > > > also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> shows gain

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> by inheritance as 8 & 11 are operating.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >5 shows gain to partner. So if

partner is gaining he

> > > > > > >> > > > will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> also

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gain. This is also not bad. The what is the

reason for bad

> > > > > > >> > > > > > economic

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> situation?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >The business was ok upto mid Aug 09.

After that it is

> > > > > > >> > > > bad

> > > > > > >> > > > > > .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> We see

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> there is a Bhukti of Ra from 18-06-2009 to

23-04-2012.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > signification

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Ra : - -

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ra-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Sub of Ra-Ju : (11)(6)10 Aspect

(4)(8)

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Star of Ju-Ma : (10)(5)Conj Ve(10)11

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Togather the signification of DB (

Sat + Ra )=

> > > > > > >> > > > > > 1,7,8,11,4,10,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> 5 + 6

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >To have a good professional earning

we say that 10th

> > > > > > >> > > > sub

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> should

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> signify 2,6,10,11. We do not see 2 but we

find 6,10,11 are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> signified. Then

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> why he is not doing professionally good?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Yogesh Lajmi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Cc: Amit Soman amitbs2002 >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

11:05:09 AM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Re: Query on

financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Dear Mr.Soman,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > The Exact TOB is 08-18-00. AM IST.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now if you cast the Birth Chart for

this

> > > > > > >> > > > time,usingK. P.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> Ayanamsa,you will get the sub-lord of II as

Saturn...earlier

> > > > > > >> > > > > > your

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> analysis

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> was going wrong because you were getting the

sublord of II

> > > > > > >> > > > as

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Jupiter...

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Remember,for arriving at the EXACT

TOB,the sublord

> > > > > > >> > > > and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-sub

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> lord of the Ascendant,must appear as the

Moon's starlord and

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> sub-lord

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> respectively. ..!

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Now Mr.Soman please erect the Birth

chart for this

> > > > > > >> > > > > > TOB...you

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> will

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> get it right this time....

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > With the very best wishes,

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Yogesh Lajmi.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > GOOD LUCK !

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > Amit Soman amitbs2002 (AT) (DOT)

com>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >@gro ups.com

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Monday, September 21, 2009

6:44:11 PM

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > Query on

financials

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Hi

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Here is a interesting case. I was

working on a

> > > > > > >> > > > horoscope

> > > > > > >> > > > > > of a

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> gentleman who approached me for consultation

for a couple of

> > > > > > >> > > > > > issues

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> . I

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> formed certain opinion about past aspects of

his life. When

> > > > > > >> > > > i

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> discussed this

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> with him Some things matched & some did not.

BUT i was 100%

> > > > > > >> > > > > > wrong on

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> financial aspect of his life, AND was unable

to find any

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> satisfactory KP

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> reason for it.

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >I want to check if anybody in the

group can point out

> > > > > > >> > > > how

> > > > > > >> > > > > > he

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> is

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> doing financially ( say for the past 8 -10

yrs? What are the

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> prospects for

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> him in next 5 yrs?

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >His birth details are

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >18-06-1977

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >8:15 am

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Mumbai

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Regards

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > >Amit Soman

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