Imagine the horary chart.

[Guest guest]

Dear Members,

 

Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

 

Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners.

 

In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage.

 

Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations.

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

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Dear Visharam ji,

 

For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8,badhaka) from 7th.  7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

 

KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

 

Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners.

 

In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage.

 

Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations.

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Punit ji,

 

Thanks for your immediate guidance. Now what I am saying is not opposing you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you & I know you as a great astrologer.

 

In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between "not fructifying" & "immediate death of wife" from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us for this ?

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.

 

Dear Visharam ji,

 

For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th.. 7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

 

KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

 

Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners.

 

In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage.

 

Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations.

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

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Dear Punit ji,

 

Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is lagna of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

 

Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some other rule is there ?

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

 

 

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not opposing you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you & I know you as a great astrologer.

 

In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between "not fructifying" & "immediate death of wife" from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us for this ?

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.

 

 

Dear Visharam ji,

 

For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

 

KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

 

Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners.

 

In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage.

 

Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations..

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

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Dear Vishram ji,

 

I am not a great astrologer. I still struggle to see the future with clarity and trying to learn.

 

Coming back to the discussion, first of all, 8th house is neither conductive nor detrimental according to KP. conductive houses are 2, 7, and 11 and detrimental houses are 1, 6, 10, 12. If sub lord of 7th house signifies both conductive and detrimental houses for marriage, it will give marriage in the conjoined period of significators of 2, 7 and 11 and give separation in the conjoined period of significators of 1, 6, 10, 12. 7th CSL signifying both conductive and detrimental houses doesn't mean " no chances of fructifying the marriage " .

 

So in this case, the native will be running dasa of conjoined period of marriage (2, 7, 11) and death (8 [2nd to 7th - first maraka], 1st [7th from 7th - second maraka] and badhaka considered from the 7th house). I included 8th because death happened because of an accident. When I said 8th, I meant 8th from 7th and not the 8th house of the chart.

 

[this is answer to your other email -]

I do not take 5th and 8th house as house of marriage and Sunil ji only can comment on it. I said in the past that technically speaking, all houses contributes to an event, and we should restrict ourselves to primary houses only. For example, 12th house is the house of bed pleasure, 4th house is a house of family happiness, 5th is love, 8th is sex, 3rd and 9th are for mutual agreement etc. etc. That is the reason I do not take 8th house as primary house of marriage which creates unnecessary confusion.

 

Having said all this, I must add that it is important that we discuss on charts. Theoretical discussions are not much useful. If possible, please find a chart of death of partner immediately after marriage and we will talk about it. Real charts are always better for learning.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

Thanks for your immediate guidance. Now what I am saying is not opposing you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you & I know you as a great astrologer.

 

In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not fructifying " & " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us for this ?

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande 

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp

Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.

 

 

Dear Visharam ji,

 

For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th..  7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

 

KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

 

Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners.

 

In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage.

 

Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations.

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande 

 

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Dear Vishram ji,

 

In 80% of the cases

you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord during marriage are also significators

of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

 

To answer to your

question, the 8th house will support marriage if and only if 5th

house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will be

11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any

danger. Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for

the wife.

 

I am not clear with

the question of the child. If the child is born, how will that be abortion?

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

Saturday, September 26, 2009

11:53 AM

 

Re: Imagine

the horary chart.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

 

 

 

 

Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil

Gondhalekar ji, he has said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good

to indicate marriage. 5th house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd

from 7 th. 7 th house is lagna of a person with whom one wants to marry. In

such a case, how can we determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or

killing the wife ?

 

 

 

 

 

Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as

abortion or some other rule is there ?

 

 

 

 

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vishram

Deshpande <vishram_deshpande (AT) (DOT) co.in>

 

Saturday, 26 September, 2009

11:36:07 AM

Re: Imagine

the horary chart.

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying

is not opposing you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking

studies done by you & I know you as a great astrologer.

 

 

 

 

 

In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is

signifificator of 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is

strong significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly &

there are no chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha

or bhukti or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not

fructifying " & " immediate death of wife " from the

significators ? Is it RP who guides us for this ?

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks & regards.

 

 

 

 

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Punit Pandey

<punitp >

 

Saturday, 26 September, 2009

10:45:45 AM

Re: Imagine

the horary chart.

 

 

 

Dear Visharam ji,

 

 

 

 

 

For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11)

are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from

7th. 7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

 

 

 

 

 

KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

 

 

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>

wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

 

 

 

 

Few days back, in a local news

paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have

caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy

got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the

girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she

came below the tyre.

 

 

 

 

 

Now just

imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage

was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the

situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely

opposite manners.

 

 

 

 

 

In most of the books what we see

as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted

ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii)

Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere

we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely

opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good

astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married

as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after

marriage.

 

 

 

 

 

Similarly, for child birth, there

are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are

no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within

one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of

significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

 

 

 

 

I request all experienced

astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such

situations..

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks & regards.

 

 

 

 

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Punitji,

I am taking your point further. When Shani happens to be the significator marriage and it is signifying 6 and 7 by starlord as well as by lord shop.and both the houses are unoccupied. Then where it comes of DBAs of detrimental houses will separate or negative results can be had. ?

So many astrologers have written books or articles on every subject. Any astrologers project new dimensions of thinking and using 5 and 8 is in line with them.

It is said that when Shani happens to be the 7th cuspal sublord when any jataka comes to astrologer, it is presumed that his answer/predictions given by astrologer will be only by delay. Astrologer will met such a situation as to why he could not take that query in time and the matter will delayed.

Thus, for jataka's horoscope 7th house will be of his/her would be wife/husband. As in Marriage, Married life and Children, reader, it has been given the procedure how to identify characteristics of the proposed husband/wife. There it has ben said that if the 7th cusp happens to be planet X and that planet X is in the sign of Aries to Pisces the physical charactersistics have been given. Thus like, if 11th from 7th means 5th house and 2nd from 7th means 8th house will have its impact on the query.

Here I am to point out that without reading original KP readers and literature from Krishman Publication and Krishnamurti Publication or like, local regional language translations may or may not upto the par. As there is the sentence in everywhere in translated literature. For any further clarafication see the English Vergion.

This is 100% right towards KP readers and KP literature from Madras, Gujrat.

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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:59:24 +0530 wrote

> Dear Vishram ji, I am not a great astrologer. I still struggle to see the future with clarity and trying to learn.  Coming back to the discussion, first of all, 8th house is neither conductive nor detrimental according to KP. conductive houses are 2, 7, and 11 and detrimental houses are 1, 6, 10, 12. If sub lord of 7th house signifies both conductive and detrimental houses for marriage, it will give marriage in the conjoined period of significators of 2, 7 and 11 and give separation in the conjoined period of significators of 1, 6, 10, 12. 7th CSL signifying both conductive and detrimental houses doesn't mean "no chances of fructifying the marriage".  So in this case, the native will be running dasa of conjoined period of marriage (2, 7, 11) and death (8 [2nd to 7th - first maraka], 1st [7th from 7th - second maraka] and badhaka considered from the 7th house). I included 8th because death happened because of an accident. When I said 8th, I meant 8th from 7th and not the 8th house of the chart.  [this is answer to your other email -]I do not take 5th and 8th house as house of marriage and Sunil ji only can comment on it. I said in the past that technically speaking, all houses contributes to an event, and we should restrict ourselves to primary houses only. For example, 12th house is the house of bed pleasure, 4th house is a house of family happiness, 5th is love, 8th is sex, 3rd and 9th are for mutual agreement etc. etc. That is the reason I do not take 8th house as primary house of marriage which creates unnecessary confusion.  Having said all this, I must add that it is important that we discuss on charts. Theoretical discussions are not much useful. If possible, please find a chart of death of partner immediately after marriage and we will talk about it. Real charts are always better for learning. Thanks Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Vishram Deshpande wrote:  Dear Punit ji,  Thanks for your immediate guidance. Now what I am saying is not opposing you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you I know you as a great astrologer. In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly there are no chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between "not fructifyingimmediate death of wife" from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us for this ? Thanks regards. Vishram Deshpande Punit Pandey : Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.  Dear Visharam ji, For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th..  7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.  KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.  Thanks Regards,Punit PandeyOn Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande wrote:  Dear Members, Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse she came below the tyre. Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners. In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this we cant say the boy got married as I predicted I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage. Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners. I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations. Thanks regards. Vishram Deshpande From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Try the new India Homepage.

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Respected Mr. Deshpandeji,

Sir,

I am not an expert on KP but only a hobby-student and so my approach is that of

a novice.

Had the concerned youth gone to a good KP astrologer , what could have been his

specific question?

As far as I know, the horary gives only specific answer to a specific querry.

In my openion the most probble question would have been " Shall I be happy with

this marriage,sir? "

Now, this is the very area wherein veterans like Punitji, Lajmiji and Sunilji

can explain to us whether the life-span of the bride or the groom could be

predicted from this horary or not.

If we are presented with the birth charts for matching, our first duty is to

ascertain the life-spans of the both.

Though houses 2,7 and 11 are the same for marriage and death, the sub-lord nto

be checked differs.

regards,

sujat karambelkar.

 

, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande

wrote:

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

> Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has said

that some times house 5  & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th house is 11

th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is lagna of a person

with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we determine  whether 8 is

supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

>

> Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some

other rule is there ?

>

> Vishram Deshpande

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande

>

> Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

> Thanks for your immediate guidance. Now what I am saying is not opposing you

but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you & I

know you as a great astrologer.

>

> In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of 2

or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong significator

of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no chances of

fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti or antara of

that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is signifying 8 strongly

how can we differentiate between " not fructifying " & " immediate death of wife "

from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us for this ?

>

> Thanks & regards.

>

> Vishram Deshpande 

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Punit Pandey <punitp

>

> Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>  

> Dear Visharam ji,

>

> For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are

also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th.  7th sublord

is also signifying marriage as well as death.

>

> KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@

.co. in> wrote:

>

>  

> >Dear Members,

> >

> >Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about

the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The

news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few

hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was

coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

> >

> >Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before

the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have

been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely

opposite manners.

> > 

> >In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage

predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible &

didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as

predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the

marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do

happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the

boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour

after marriage.

> >

> >Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not

having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a

baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What

could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely

opposite manners.

> >

> >I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they

have come across such situations.

> >

> >Thanks & regards..

> >

> >Vishram Deshpande 

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dear Ajoy,

thanks for the feedback..

but this is not my invention..i remember our Guruji

told in one seminar in pune during 1992..

he said " KSK says that 8th house is always present

in everyone's chart during marriage "

unfortunately he has not mentioned this rule in his books

nor it is found in reader

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

 

 

 

, " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless wrote:

>

> Dear Vishram ji,

>

>

>

> In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord

> during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by

> Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

>

>

>

> To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and only

> if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will be

> 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any danger.

> Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife.

>

>

>

> I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born, how

> will that be abortion?

>

>

>

> _____

>

> On

> Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

>

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

>

>

> Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has

> said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th

> house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is lagna

> of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we

> determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

>

>

>

> Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some

> other rule is there ?

>

>

>

> Vishram Deshpande

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande

>

> Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

>

>

> Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not opposing

> you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you

> & I know you as a great astrologer.

>

>

>

> In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of

> 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong

> significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no

> chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti

> or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

> signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not fructifying " &

> " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us

> for this ?

>

>

>

> Thanks & regards.

>

>

>

> Vishram Deshpande

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp

>

> Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

> Dear Visharam ji,

>

>

>

> For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are

> also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th

> sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

>

>

>

> KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

> predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for

> discussion.

>

>

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@

> .co. in <vishram_deshpande > wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

>

>

> Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about

> the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way.

> The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately,

> just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a

> tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

>

>

>

> Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the

> marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have

> been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

> astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely

> opposite manners.

>

>

>

> In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage

> predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible &

> didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled

> as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the

> marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do

> happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say

> the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within

> an hour after marriage.

>

>

>

> Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not

> having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth

> to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day.

> What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two

> extremely opposite manners.

>

>

>

> I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they

> have come across such situations..

>

>

>

> Thanks & regards.

>

>

>

> Vishram Deshpande

>

>

>

> _____

>

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Dears,Ajoy,Vishram,

The VIIIth house also denoted Maangalyasthana...isn't it ?

Yogesh Lajmi

 

 

 

sunilalaka <sunilalaka Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 6:16:34 PM Re: Imagine the horary chart.

dear Ajoy,thanks for the feedback..but this is not my invention..i remember our Gurujitold in one seminar in pune during 1992..he said"KSK says that 8th house is always presentin everyone's chart during marriage"unfortunately he has not mentioned this rule in his booksnor it is found in reader-sunil gondhalekar@gro ups.com, "ajoy" <ajoy_matchless@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Vishram ji,> > > > In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord> during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by> Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.> > > > To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and only> if 5th house also

features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will be> 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any danger.> Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife. > > > > I am not clear with the question of the child.. If the child is born, how> will that be abortion?> > > > _____ > > @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On> Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande> Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM> @gro ups.com> Re: Imagine the horary chart.> > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> > > > Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has> said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th> house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is lagna> of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we> determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?> > > > Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some> other rule is there ?> > > > Vishram Deshpande> > > > _____ > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ ...>> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM> Re: Imagine the horary chart.> > Dear Punit ji, > > > > Thanks for your immediate guidance... Now what I am saying is not opposing> you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you> & I know you as a great astrologer.> > > > In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of> 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong> significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no> chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti> or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp

lord is> signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between "not fructifying" & > "immediate death of wife" from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us> for this ?> > > > Thanks & regards.> > > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > _____ > > Punit Pandey <punitp> @gro ups.com> Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM> Re: Imagine the horary chart.> > > > Dear Visharam ji,> > > > For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are> also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th> sublord is also signifying

marriage as well as death. > > > > KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for> predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for> discussion. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@> .co. in <vishram_ deshpande@ ....> > wrote:> > > > Dear Members,> > > > Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about> the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way.> The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately,> just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a> tempo was

coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.> > > > Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the> marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have> been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the> astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely> opposite manners.> > > > In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage> predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & > didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled> as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the> marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do> happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant

say> the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within> an hour after marriage.> > > > Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not> having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth> to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day.> What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two> extremely opposite manners.> > > > I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they> have come across such situations..> > > > Thanks & regards.> > > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > _____ > > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage!> <http://in.rd. / tagline_metro_ 4/*http:/ in.. com/trynew> > > > > > > _____ > > Try the new India Homepage. Click here> <http://in.rd. ..com/ tagline_metro_ 1/*http:/ in.. com/trynew> .> > > > > > _____ > > > Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how> <http://in.rd. / tagline_galaxy_ 1/*http:/ in.overview. mail.. com/c> onnectmore> .>

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Dear sir

 

I am writting this just to clear the ideas about abortion and delivery just to avoid confusion.

 

1. Abortion- Clinically, termination of pregnancy before the age of viability ie 28th wk of pregnancy is called as abortion.( WHO takes this period  of viability as 20wks, as child can be survived by intensive intranatal care beyond 20 wks. Its a legal issue but here we are not concerned with this)

 

2.Still birth- Dead child born after the age of viability ie 28 completed wks of pregnancy (No sign of viability at birth)

Here it can be either macerated still born or fresh still born.

 

(A)-Macerated still born child is one whicn died in uterus during pregnacy after 28 wks of pregnancy but before labour pains starts.

(B)- Fresh still born child is one which  died during the process of delivery ie after start of labour pains but no signs of viability at birth.

 

3. Perinatal death- It means still births ( both macerated and fresh)+ child death during 1st wk life.

 

4. Premature delivery- Delivery of viable child between 28 to 37 wks of pregnancy.

 

5. Full term delivery- Delivery of viable child after 37 wks of pregnancy.

 

Here we are concerened with 2 terminologies only which are written below. I have written all definations above as many will have again so many quries in their mind, so they can read in detail

 

1.abortions ie before 28wk of pregnacy.

2.Deliveries after the age of viability ie 28 wks.( whether dead or alive )

It includes all ie full term babies, premature babies, still births both fresh and macerated and babies who  died in early period of their life.

 

thanks and regards

Dr Sheetal

 

 

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:06 PM, ajoy <ajoy_matchless wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Vishram ji,

 

In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

 

To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and only if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will be 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any danger. Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife.

 

I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born, how will that be abortion?

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

 

 

Re: Imagine the horary chart.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

 

 

Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has said that some times house 5  & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is lagna of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we determine  whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

 

 

 

 

Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some other rule is there ?

 

 

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande

Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

Re: Imagine the horary chart.

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

 

 

Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not opposing you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you & I know you as a great astrologer.

 

 

 

 

In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not fructifying " & " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us for this ?

 

 

 

 

Thanks & regards.

 

 

 

Vishram Deshpande 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp

Sent: Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

Re: Imagine the horary chart. 

 

 

Dear Visharam ji,

 

 

 

For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th.  7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

 

 

 

 

KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

 

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

 

 

Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

 

 

 

 

Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners.

 

 

 

 

 

In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage.

 

 

 

 

Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

 

 

 

I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations..

 

 

 

 

Thanks & regards.

 

 

 

Vishram Deshpande 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Ajoy ji,

 

To make it clear about 80%, could you kindly verify the following points,

please.

 

1. On how many charts study is 80%?

2. All charts are Indian or not?

3. In the case of Indian charts how many percent of charts under study are

female?

4. Is the study is as per KP rule or 4 step rule?

5. Does " Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct. " mean " marriage is

promised if 7CSL primarily signifies any of 2,7,11,5,8 houses? and marriage will

happen during the DBA when each of DBA primarily signifiies three different

houses out of 2,7,11,5,8 by each DBA to complete the chain, 2,7,11 or 2 11,5 or

2,5,8 etc? otherwise? "

6. What is Sunil ji's rationale of considering 8th house for marriage?

7. Which house is for 2nd spouse as per Sunil ji?

8. What is Sunil ji's 2nd marriage rule?

 

Hope to discuss theoretically and practically as per 4 step and as per KP

separately according to their different rules.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

 

, " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless wrote:

>

> Dear Vishram ji,

>

>

>

> In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord

> during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by

> Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

>

>

>

> To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and only

> if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will be

> 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any danger.

> Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife.

>

>

>

> I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born, how

> will that be abortion?

>

>

>

> _____

>

> On

> Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

>

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

>

>

> Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has

> said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th

> house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is lagna

> of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we

> determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

>

>

>

> Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some

> other rule is there ?

>

>

>

> Vishram Deshpande

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande

>

> Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

>

>

> Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not opposing

> you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you

> & I know you as a great astrologer.

>

>

>

> In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of

> 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong

> significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no

> chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti

> or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

> signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not fructifying " &

> " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us

> for this ?

>

>

>

> Thanks & regards.

>

>

>

> Vishram Deshpande

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp

>

> Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

> Dear Visharam ji,

>

>

>

> For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are

> also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th

> sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

>

>

>

> KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

> predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for

> discussion.

>

>

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@

> .co. in <vishram_deshpande > wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

>

>

> Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about

> the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way.

> The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately,

> just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a

> tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

>

>

>

> Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the

> marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have

> been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

> astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely

> opposite manners.

>

>

>

> In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage

> predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible &

> didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled

> as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the

> marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do

> happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say

> the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within

> an hour after marriage.

>

>

>

> Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not

> having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth

> to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day.

> What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two

> extremely opposite manners.

>

>

>

> I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they

> have come across such situations..

>

>

>

> Thanks & regards.

>

>

>

> Vishram Deshpande

>

>

>

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Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,

 

1. I am sorry to say that " KSK says that 8th house is always present > in

everyone's chart during marriage " seems to be not consistent and reasonable

because Guruji KSK has clearly said in the KP Readers that 8th house for

quarrel, Maangalyasthana, finalisation of divorce etc not in support of

marriage.

 

2. Similarly, having Rahu as his 4CSL himself, how could Guruji KSK say to your

Guruji, as mentioned in your 4 step lecture notes, that one cannot own a house

in one's life, if one's 4CSL is Rahu, which does not own any house, since

Guruji KSK had his own house? Tony Blair, David Beckham, Whitney Houston, Valery

Giscard D'estaing, Christie Hefner, Henry Kissinger, Joseph Patrick Kennedy,

Juliana (Queen of Netherland), Nicky Hilton, James A. Garfield, John F. Kennedy,

King George VI, Prince Arthur (son/Victoria), Bruno Mussolini with 4CSL RAHU had

or has one more than one own house.

 

3. Could you kindly tell us what is the rationale of considering 8th house for

marriage? Which house is considered for 2nd spouse? Any rule for 2nd marriage

other than 6th and 7th cuspal sub lord to be the same as mentioned in 4 step

lecture notes?

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

 

 

, " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka wrote:

>

> dear Ajoy,

> thanks for the feedback..

> but this is not my invention..i remember our Guruji

> told in one seminar in pune during 1992..

> he said " KSK says that 8th house is always present

> in everyone's chart during marriage "

> unfortunately he has not mentioned this rule in his books

> nor it is found in reader

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

>

>

>

>

> , " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vishram ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord

> > during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by

> > Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

> >

> >

> >

> > To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and only

> > if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will be

> > 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any danger.

> > Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born, how

> > will that be abortion?

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > On

> > Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> > Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

> >

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has

> > said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th

> > house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is lagna

> > of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we

> > determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some

> > other rule is there ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@>

> >

> > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not opposing

> > you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you

> > & I know you as a great astrologer.

> >

> >

> >

> > In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of

> > 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong

> > significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no

> > chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti

> > or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

> > signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not fructifying " &

> > " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us

> > for this ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks & regards.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> >

> > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Visharam ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are

> > also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th

> > sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

> >

> >

> >

> > KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

> > predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for

> > discussion.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@

> > .co. in <vishram_deshpande@> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> >

> >

> > Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about

> > the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way.

> > The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately,

> > just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a

> > tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the

> > marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have

> > been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

> > astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely

> > opposite manners.

> >

> >

> >

> > In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage

> > predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible &

> > didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled

> > as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the

> > marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do

> > happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say

> > the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within

> > an hour after marriage.

> >

> >

> >

> > Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not

> > having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth

> > to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day.

> > What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two

> > extremely opposite manners.

> >

> >

> >

> > I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they

> > have come across such situations..

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks & regards.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Vishramji,

Will you please provide the birth details of the groom or bride or of both?

According to KP the significators of marriage and death are same if the Ascendant is in movable or common sign. If you search for the significators of marriage for the other party the planets will differ,and the cusps also will differ. Now, for accident to any one of them his/her significators for marriage are to be examined if they also signify his/ her 8th and 12th house and associated with Mars. The sub lord of 8th cusp be associated with Mars or 8th or 12th house. Well it can be clear if we see the birth chart. For marriage matching there are two criteria, one is Tara and the other is Nadi. These two are matched for health and physical compatibility and widow-hood and adversity respectively. In KP the things are different. So then, we, KP followers should examine a horoscope for these points while counseling or advising on marriage issues. I don't know if we can alter the fate of one but we may warn before hand. So we have to find out the means

for such predictions by studying few charts. It is very important.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:45:45 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.

 

Dear Visharam ji,

 

For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

 

KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

 

Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners.

 

In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage.

 

Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations.

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

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Dear Vishramji and Punitji,

What I think is Punit ji has not given a ruling about significance of 8th house. 8th house in fact does not deny marriage in all cases, rather it is a supporting house for marriage. Association of 8th cusp or house with Mars or significators of Badhakasthana either 7 or 9 or 11 depending on the Ascendant may be important for consideration. I beg excuse Punitji for touching your point. I may be corrected if I am wrong.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:36:07 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

Thanks for your immediate guidance. Now what I am saying is not opposing you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you & I know you as a great astrologer.

 

In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between "not fructifying" & "immediate death of wife" from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us for this ?

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.

 

Dear Visharam ji,

 

For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th.. 7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

 

KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

 

Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners.

 

In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage.

 

Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations.

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

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Dear Dr Rath ji,In the initial mail only I have clearly stated that I read this event in a news paper. I don't have birth details of these two persons.Vishram Deshpande--- On Sun, 27/9/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Imagine the horary chart. Date: Sunday, 27 September, 2009, 9:53 AM

 

 

Dear Vishramji,

Will you please provide the birth details of the groom or bride or of both?

According to KP the significators of marriage and death are same if the Ascendant is in movable or common sign. If you search for the significators of marriage for the other party the planets will differ,and the cusps also will differ. Now, for accident to any one of them his/her significators for marriage are to be examined if they also signify his/ her 8th and 12th house and associated with Mars. The sub lord of 8th cusp be associated with Mars or 8th or 12th house. Well it can be clear if we see the birth chart. For marriage matching there are two criteria, one is Tara and the other is Nadi. These two are matched for health and physical compatibility and widow-hood and adversity respectively.. In KP the things are different. So then, we, KP followers should examine a horoscope for these points while counseling or advising on marriage issues. I don't know if we can alter the fate of one but we may warn before hand.. So we have to find out the means

for such predictions by studying few charts. It is very important.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comSaturday, September 26, 2009 10:45:45 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.

 

Dear Visharam ji,

 

For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

 

KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

 

Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners.

 

In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen.. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage.

 

Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations.

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

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Dear TW Ji

 

Let me TRY to answer to your satisfaction.

 

1) I have not counted

on how many charts. This is my experience. To check whether this is correct,

you may select some 10 charts randomly from your database and confirm the

authenticity. I would appreciate if you could then give the conclusion.

2) Yes all the charts in

consideration are Indian

3) The gender is not noted

since it is an observation.

4) It is an

observation and not a rule.

 

For queries

from no.5 to no.8 , I am too small a person in front of Shri Gondhalekar ji to

answer this. Any case I feel these questions seem to be directed towards him.

 

Sir, I would like

to conclude that I have put my observation in the forum. Whether it can be made

a rule is for stalwarts like you and other senior members to decide.

 

Regards,

Ajoy

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of TW

Sunday, September 27, 2009

7:58 AM

 

Re: Imagine

the horary chart.

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ajoy ji,

 

To make it clear about 80%, could you kindly verify the following points,

please.

 

1. On how many charts study is 80%?

2. All charts are Indian or not?

3. In the case of Indian charts how many percent of charts under study are

female?

4. Is the study is as per KP rule or 4 step rule?

5. Does " Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct. " mean

" marriage is promised if 7CSL primarily signifies any of 2,7,11,5,8

houses? and marriage will happen during the DBA when each of DBA primarily

signifiies three different houses out of 2,7,11,5,8 by each DBA to complete the

chain, 2,7,11 or 2 11,5 or 2,5,8 etc? otherwise? "

6. What is Sunil ji's rationale of considering 8th house for marriage?

7. Which house is for 2nd spouse as per Sunil ji?

8. What is Sunil ji's 2nd marriage rule?

 

Hope to discuss theoretically and practically as per 4 step and as per KP

separately according to their different rules.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

,

" ajoy " <ajoy_matchless wrote:

>

> Dear Vishram ji,

>

>

>

> In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord

> during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by

> Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

>

>

>

> To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and

only

> if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will

be

> 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any danger.

> Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife.

>

>

>

> I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born, how

> will that be abortion?

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

 

On

> Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

>

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

>

>

> Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has

> said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage.

5th

> house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is

lagna

> of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we

> determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

>

>

>

> Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some

> other rule is there ?

>

>

>

> Vishram Deshpande

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande

>

> Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>

>

>

> Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not opposing

> you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by

you

> & I know you as a great astrologer.

>

>

>

> In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator

of

> 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong

> significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there

are no

> chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti

> or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

> signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not

fructifying " &

> " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who

guides us

> for this ?

>

>

>

> Thanks & regards.

>

>

>

> Vishram Deshpande

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp

>

> Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

> Dear Visharam ji,

>

>

>

> For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11)

are

> also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th

> sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

>

>

>

> KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

> predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for

> discussion.

>

>

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@

> .co. in <vishram_deshpande > wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Members,

>

>

>

> Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think

about

> the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way.

> The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately,

> just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when

a

> tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

>

>

>

> Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the

> marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could

have

> been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

> astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely

> opposite manners.

>

>

>

> In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage

> predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as

impossible &

> didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got

postponed/cancelled

> as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of

the

> marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do

> happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we

cant say

> the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died

within

> an hour after marriage.

>

>

>

> Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not

> having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth

> to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same

day.

> What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two

> extremely opposite manners.

>

>

>

> I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they

> have come across such situations..

>

>

>

> Thanks & regards.

>

>

>

> Vishram Deshpande

>

>

>

> _____

>

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dear TW ji,

1.i have already stated that it is not found in reader.

2.regarding cuspal sub of 4th cusp is rahu--the incident was

told by hasbe guruji himself to us and knows everyone in maharashtra

now about your cases... i am confident that in chart 4th cuspal sub must be

Jupiter and not Rahu.this can be checked by current RP as follows:

The RPs are for 9/27/2009 1:42:39 PM Standard Time GMT: +5:30 DST: 0:00

72E58 0 19N12 0

 

Lagna: Sagittarius 18 ° 56 ' 50 '' Moon: Sagittarius 22 ° 52 ' 43 ''

 

LS: Venus , L: Jupiter , S: Venus , R: Jupiter , D: Sun

Jupiter appears twice in RP and No RAHU in RP

3.8th house also indicates sexual life which starts after marriage

in india..so i cosider 8th house in predicting marriage period.

4.2nd sub is considered for second marriage in 4 step theory

thanks

-sunil gondhalekar

 

 

 

 

 

, " TW " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,

>

> 1. I am sorry to say that " KSK says that 8th house is always present > in

everyone's chart during marriage " seems to be not consistent and reasonable

because Guruji KSK has clearly said in the KP Readers that 8th house for

quarrel, Maangalyasthana, finalisation of divorce etc not in support of

marriage.

>

> 2. Similarly, having Rahu as his 4CSL himself, how could Guruji KSK say to

your Guruji, as mentioned in your 4 step lecture notes, that one cannot own a

house in one's life, if one's 4CSL is Rahu, which does not own any house, since

Guruji KSK had his own house? Tony Blair, David Beckham, Whitney Houston, Valery

Giscard D'estaing, Christie Hefner, Henry Kissinger, Joseph Patrick Kennedy,

Juliana (Queen of Netherland), Nicky Hilton, James A. Garfield, John F. Kennedy,

King George VI, Prince Arthur (son/Victoria), Bruno Mussolini with 4CSL RAHU had

or has one more than one own house.

>

> 3. Could you kindly tell us what is the rationale of considering 8th house for

marriage? Which house is considered for 2nd spouse? Any rule for 2nd marriage

other than 6th and 7th cuspal sub lord to be the same as mentioned in 4 step

lecture notes?

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

>

>

> , " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> >

> > dear Ajoy,

> > thanks for the feedback..

> > but this is not my invention..i remember our Guruji

> > told in one seminar in pune during 1992..

> > he said " KSK says that 8th house is always present

> > in everyone's chart during marriage "

> > unfortunately he has not mentioned this rule in his books

> > nor it is found in reader

> > -sunil gondhalekar

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vishram ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord

> > > during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by

> > > Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and

only

> > > if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will

be

> > > 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any danger.

> > > Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born, how

> > > will that be abortion?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > On

> > > Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

> > >

> > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has

> > > said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th

> > > house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is

lagna

> > > of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we

> > > determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some

> > > other rule is there ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@>

> > >

> > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not opposing

> > > you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by

you

> > > & I know you as a great astrologer.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator

of

> > > 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong

> > > significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are

no

> > > chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti

> > > or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

> > > signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not fructifying " &

> > > " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us

> > > for this ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > >

> > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Visharam ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11)

are

> > > also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th

> > > sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

> > > predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for

> > > discussion.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@

> > > .co. in <vishram_deshpande@> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think

about

> > > the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way.

> > > The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately,

> > > just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when

a

> > > tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the

> > > marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have

> > > been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

> > > astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely

> > > opposite manners.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage

> > > predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible &

> > > didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled

> > > as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of

the

> > > marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do

> > > happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant

say

> > > the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within

> > > an hour after marriage.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not

> > > having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving

birth

> > > to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same

day.

> > > What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two

> > > extremely opposite manners.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they

> > > have come across such situations..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage!

> > > <http://in.rd./tagline_metro_4/*http:/in./trynew>

> > >

> > >

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Dear Ajoy ji,

 

1. Without sufficient evidence your saying seems not creditable and no comment.

2. The burden of proof is on yuor side for what you've said to be reliable.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

 

, " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless wrote:

>

> Dear TW Ji

>

>

>

> Let me TRY to answer to your satisfaction.

>

>

>

> 1) I have not counted on how many charts. This is my experience. To

> check whether this is correct, you may select some 10 charts randomly from

> your database and confirm the authenticity. I would appreciate if you could

> then give the conclusion.

>

> 2) Yes all the charts in consideration are Indian

>

> 3) The gender is not noted since it is an observation.

>

> 4) It is an observation and not a rule.

>

>

>

> For queries from no.5 to no.8 , I am too small a person in front of Shri

> Gondhalekar ji to answer this. Any case I feel these questions seem to be

> directed towards him.

>

>

>

> Sir, I would like to conclude that I have put my observation in the forum.

> Whether it can be made a rule is for stalwarts like you and other senior

> members to decide.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ajoy

>

>

>

> _____

>

> On

> Behalf Of TW

> Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:58 AM

>

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Ajoy ji,

>

> To make it clear about 80%, could you kindly verify the following points,

> please.

>

> 1. On how many charts study is 80%?

> 2. All charts are Indian or not?

> 3. In the case of Indian charts how many percent of charts under study are

> female?

> 4. Is the study is as per KP rule or 4 step rule?

> 5. Does " Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct. " mean " marriage is

> promised if 7CSL primarily signifies any of 2,7,11,5,8 houses? and marriage

> will happen during the DBA when each of DBA primarily signifiies three

> different houses out of 2,7,11,5,8 by each DBA to complete the chain, 2,7,11

> or 2 11,5 or 2,5,8 etc? otherwise? "

> 6. What is Sunil ji's rationale of considering 8th house for marriage?

> 7. Which house is for 2nd spouse as per Sunil ji?

> 8. What is Sunil ji's 2nd marriage rule?

>

> Hope to discuss theoretically and practically as per 4 step and as per KP

> separately according to their different rules.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro <%40> ups.com,

> " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vishram ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord

> > during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by

> > Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

> >

> >

> >

> > To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and

> only

> > if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will

> be

> > 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any danger.

> > Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born, how

> > will that be abortion?

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > @gro <%40> ups.com

> [@gro <%40> ups.com]

> On

> > Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> > Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

> > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has

> > said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th

> > house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is

> lagna

> > of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we

> > determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some

> > other rule is there ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@>

> > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not opposing

> > you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by

> you

> > & I know you as a great astrologer.

> >

> >

> >

> > In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator

> of

> > 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong

> > significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are

> no

> > chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti

> > or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

> > signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not fructifying " &

> > " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us

> > for this ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks & regards.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Visharam ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11)

> are

> > also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th

> > sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

> >

> >

> >

> > KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

> > predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for

> > discussion.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@

> > .co. in <vishram_deshpande@> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> >

> >

> > Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think

> about

> > the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way.

> > The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately,

> > just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when

> a

> > tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the

> > marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have

> > been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

> > astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely

> > opposite manners.

> >

> >

> >

> > In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage

> > predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible &

> > didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled

> > as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of

> the

> > marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do

> > happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant

> say

> > the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within

> > an hour after marriage.

> >

> >

> >

> > Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not

> > having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving

> birth

> > to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same

> day.

> > What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two

> > extremely opposite manners.

> >

> >

> >

> > I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they

> > have come across such situations..

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks & regards.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage!

> > <http://in.rd.

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[Guest guest]

Dear TW Ji,

 

If I submit 10 charts to illustrate, would

that be taken as evidence?

I have no burden on me since I have not

insisted anyone to rely on my observation.

I have not made a point to take any

credits.

 

Regards,

Ajoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of TW

Sunday, September 27, 2009

5:08 PM

 

Re: Imagine

the horary chart.

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ajoy ji,

 

1. Without sufficient evidence your saying seems not creditable and no comment.

2. The burden of proof is on yuor side for what you've said to be reliable.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

,

" ajoy " <ajoy_matchless wrote:

>

> Dear TW Ji

>

>

>

> Let me TRY to answer to your satisfaction.

>

>

>

> 1) I have not counted on how many charts. This is my experience. To

> check whether this is correct, you may select some 10 charts randomly from

> your database and confirm the authenticity. I would appreciate if you

could

> then give the conclusion.

>

> 2) Yes all the charts in consideration are Indian

>

> 3) The gender is not noted since it is an observation.

>

> 4) It is an observation and not a rule.

>

>

>

> For queries from no.5 to no.8 , I am too small a person in front of Shri

> Gondhalekar ji to answer this. Any case I feel these questions seem to be

> directed towards him.

>

>

>

> Sir, I would like to conclude that I have put my observation in the forum.

> Whether it can be made a rule is for stalwarts like you and other senior

> members to decide.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ajoy

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

 

On

> Behalf Of TW

> Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:58 AM

>

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Ajoy ji,

>

> To make it clear about 80%, could you kindly verify the following points,

> please.

>

> 1. On how many charts study is 80%?

> 2. All charts are Indian or not?

> 3. In the case of Indian charts how many percent of charts under study are

> female?

> 4. Is the study is as per KP rule or 4 step rule?

> 5. Does " Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct. " mean

" marriage is

> promised if 7CSL primarily signifies any of 2,7,11,5,8 houses? and

marriage

> will happen during the DBA when each of DBA primarily signifiies three

> different houses out of 2,7,11,5,8 by each DBA to complete the chain,

2,7,11

> or 2 11,5 or 2,5,8 etc? otherwise? "

> 6. What is Sunil ji's rationale of considering 8th house for marriage?

> 7. Which house is for 2nd spouse as per Sunil ji?

> 8. What is Sunil ji's 2nd marriage rule?

>

> Hope to discuss theoretically and practically as per 4 step and as per KP

> separately according to their different rules.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro <%40>

ups.com,

> " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vishram ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara

lord

> > during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned

by

> > Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

> >

> >

> >

> > To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if

and

> only

> > if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house

will

> be

> > 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any

danger.

> > Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the

wife.

> >

> >

> >

> > I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born,

how

> > will that be abortion?

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > @gro <%40>

ups.com

> [@gro <%40>

ups.com]

> On

> > Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> > Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

> > @gro <%40>

ups.com

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he

has

> > said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate

marriage. 5th

> > house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th

house is

> lagna

> > of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we

> > determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or

some

> > other rule is there ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@>

> > @gro <%40>

ups.com

> > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not

opposing

> > you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done

by

> you

> > & I know you as a great astrologer.

> >

> >

> >

> > In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is

signifificator

> of

> > 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong

> > significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly &

there are

> no

> > chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or

bhukti

> > or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

> > signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not

fructifying " &

> > " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP

who guides us

> > for this ?

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks & regards.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > @gro <%40>

ups.com

> > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Visharam ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage

(2,7,11)

> are

> > also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th.

7th

> > sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

> >

> >

> >

> > KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

> > predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for

> > discussion.

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande

<vishram_deshpande@

> > .co. in <vishram_deshpande@> > wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Members,

> >

> >

> >

> > Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me

think

> about

> > the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a

way.

> > The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl.

Unfortunately,

> > just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident

when

> a

> > tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before

the

> > marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what

could have

> > been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

> > astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two

extremely

> > opposite manners.

> >

> >

> >

> > In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i)

Marriage

> > predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as

impossible &

> > didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got

postponed/cancelled

> > as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification

of

> the

> > marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things

do

> > happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this &

we cant

> say

> > the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife

died within

> > an hour after marriage.

> >

> >

> >

> > Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child,

not

> > having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving

> birth

> > to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the

same

> day.

> > What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in

two

> > extremely opposite manners.

> >

> >

> >

> > I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if

they

> > have come across such situations..

> >

> >

> >

> > Thanks & regards.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vishram Deshpande

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,

 

1. Thank you for your kind clarification.

 

2. It is not only written in the Readers but also unconsistent what is written

in the KP Readers. So it could not be said by Guruji KSK. Also any capable KP

astrolger other than the inventor and promoter of 4 step theory has not been

found using 8th house for marriage.

 

3. KP is what is written by Guruji KSK and what is not consistent with his

writing is not KP and it is jsut speculative saying.

 

4. Anyone can use the 8th house for marriage if it is the best fit for him or

her but one is supposed not to say Guruji KSK has said so, which is

unconsistent with his writng, without sufficient evidence. In the free society

it needs proof if someone is saying something about a person which can damage

that person's name.

 

5. You have changed this time Guruji KSK's 4th cuspal sublord from Rahu given by

Guruji KSK himself to Jupiter. What will be the other times as you said the RPs

cannot help every body every time depending on time and space etc? How reliable

is chaging Guruji KSK's 4th cuspal sublord like this? How can you change it for

Guruji KSK what is given by Guruji KSK himself?

 

6. Does it not need to change the 4th cuspal sublords of mostly AA charts of

Tony Blair, David Beckham, Whitney Houston, Valery Giscard D'estaing, Christie

Hefner, Henry Kissinger, Joseph Patrick Kennedy, Juliana (Queen of Netherland),

Nicky Hilton, James A. Garfield, John F. Kennedy, King George VI, Prince Arthur

(son/Victoria), Bruno Mussolini?

 

7. As the RPs can change depending on time and space etc, they are not used in

the 4 steo theory for selection of fruitful DBA but the RPs are used to change

the cuspal sublord. How is it consistent?

 

8. The dowry system and Indian farther's huge expenditure for her daughter's

wedding other than sex live seem to be the reason of 8th appearance at the time

of marriage. Only in the System Analysis it is found 8th house to be considered

as one of many significators for marriage.

/message/2298

 

9. If the 2nd sub is considered for second marriage in the 4 step theory as in

KP, it would be difficult to give the rationale of 8th for marriage because of

Maangalyasthana, for instance in the cuspal interlinks theory 2nd house is not

considered for marriage as it is Maraka for the partner and the same is 8th in

turn.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

 

, " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka wrote:

>

> dear TW ji,

> 1.i have already stated that it is not found in reader.

> 2.regarding cuspal sub of 4th cusp is rahu--the incident was

> told by hasbe guruji himself to us and knows everyone in maharashtra

> now about your cases... i am confident that in chart 4th cuspal sub must be

Jupiter and not Rahu.this can be checked by current RP as follows:

> The RPs are for 9/27/2009 1:42:39 PM Standard Time GMT: +5:30 DST: 0:00

> 72E58 0 19N12 0

>

> Lagna: Sagittarius 18 ° 56 ' 50 '' Moon: Sagittarius 22 ° 52 ' 43 ''

>

> LS: Venus , L: Jupiter , S: Venus , R: Jupiter , D: Sun

> Jupiter appears twice in RP and No RAHU in RP

> 3.8th house also indicates sexual life which starts after marriage

> in india..so i cosider 8th house in predicting marriage period.

> 4.2nd sub is considered for second marriage in 4 step theory

> thanks

> -sunil gondhalekar

>

>

>

>

>

> , " TW " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Gondhalekar ji,

> >

> > 1. I am sorry to say that " KSK says that 8th house is always present > in

everyone's chart during marriage " seems to be not consistent and reasonable

because Guruji KSK has clearly said in the KP Readers that 8th house for

quarrel, Maangalyasthana, finalisation of divorce etc not in support of

marriage.

> >

> > 2. Similarly, having Rahu as his 4CSL himself, how could Guruji KSK say to

your Guruji, as mentioned in your 4 step lecture notes, that one cannot own a

house in one's life, if one's 4CSL is Rahu, which does not own any house, since

Guruji KSK had his own house? Tony Blair, David Beckham, Whitney Houston, Valery

Giscard D'estaing, Christie Hefner, Henry Kissinger, Joseph Patrick Kennedy,

Juliana (Queen of Netherland), Nicky Hilton, James A. Garfield, John F. Kennedy,

King George VI, Prince Arthur (son/Victoria), Bruno Mussolini with 4CSL RAHU had

or has one more than one own house.

> >

> > 3. Could you kindly tell us what is the rationale of considering 8th house

for marriage? Which house is considered for 2nd spouse? Any rule for 2nd

marriage other than 6th and 7th cuspal sub lord to be the same as mentioned in 4

step lecture notes?

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sunilalaka " <sunilalaka@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear Ajoy,

> > > thanks for the feedback..

> > > but this is not my invention..i remember our Guruji

> > > told in one seminar in pune during 1992..

> > > he said " KSK says that 8th house is always present

> > > in everyone's chart during marriage "

> > > unfortunately he has not mentioned this rule in his books

> > > nor it is found in reader

> > > -sunil gondhalekar

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vishram ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord

> > > > during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by

> > > > Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and

only

> > > > if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will

be

> > > > 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any danger.

> > > > Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born, how

> > > > will that be abortion?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > On

> > > > Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

> > > >

> > > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has

> > > > said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th

> > > > house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is

lagna

> > > > of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we

> > > > determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or

some

> > > > other rule is there ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vishram Deshpande

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@>

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> > > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not

opposing

> > > > you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by

you

> > > > & I know you as a great astrologer.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator

of

> > > > 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong

> > > > significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there

are no

> > > > chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or

bhukti

> > > > or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

> > > > signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not fructifying "

&

> > > > " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who guides

us

> > > > for this ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & regards.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vishram Deshpande

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > >

> > > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> > > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visharam ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11)

are

> > > > also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th

> > > > sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

> > > > predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for

> > > > discussion.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@

> > > > .co. in <vishram_deshpande@> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think

about

> > > > the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a

way.

> > > > The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl.

Unfortunately,

> > > > just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident

when a

> > > > tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the

> > > > marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have

> > > > been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

> > > > astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two

extremely

> > > > opposite manners.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage

> > > > predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible

&

> > > > didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got

postponed/cancelled

> > > > as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of

the

> > > > marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do

> > > > happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant

say

> > > > the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died

within

> > > > an hour after marriage.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not

> > > > having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving

birth

> > > > to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same

day.

> > > > What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two

> > > > extremely opposite manners.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if

they

> > > > have come across such situations..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & regards.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vishram Deshpande

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Ajoy ji,

 

To make a creditable saying, it needs sufficient evidence, otherwise it is just

speculative saying. It is not yet even clear whether the said correctness is as

per 4 step or KP. Any evedence is helpful and to make or break a rule minimum

standard requirement is 100 cases.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

 

, " Ajoy " <ajoy_matchless wrote:

>

> Dear TW Ji,

>

>

>

> If I submit 10 charts to illustrate, would that be taken as evidence?

>

> I have no burden on me since I have not insisted anyone to rely on my

> observation.

>

> I have not made a point to take any credits.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ajoy

>

_____

>

> On

> Behalf Of TW

> Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:08 PM

>

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Ajoy ji,

>

> 1. Without sufficient evidence your saying seems not creditable and no

> comment.

> 2. The burden of proof is on yuor side for what you've said to be reliable.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro <%40> ups.com,

> " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear TW Ji

> >

> >

> >

> > Let me TRY to answer to your satisfaction.

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) I have not counted on how many charts. This is my experience. To

> > check whether this is correct, you may select some 10 charts randomly from

> > your database and confirm the authenticity. I would appreciate if you

> could

> > then give the conclusion.

> >

> > 2) Yes all the charts in consideration are Indian

> >

> > 3) The gender is not noted since it is an observation.

> >

> > 4) It is an observation and not a rule.

> >

> >

> >

> > For queries from no.5 to no.8 , I am too small a person in front of Shri

> > Gondhalekar ji to answer this. Any case I feel these questions seem to be

> > directed towards him.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sir, I would like to conclude that I have put my observation in the forum.

> > Whether it can be made a rule is for stalwarts like you and other senior

> > members to decide.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ajoy

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > @gro <%40> ups.com

> [@gro <%40> ups.com]

> On

> > Behalf Of TW

> > Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:58 AM

> > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ajoy ji,

> >

> > To make it clear about 80%, could you kindly verify the following points,

> > please.

> >

> > 1. On how many charts study is 80%?

> > 2. All charts are Indian or not?

> > 3. In the case of Indian charts how many percent of charts under study are

> > female?

> > 4. Is the study is as per KP rule or 4 step rule?

> > 5. Does " Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct. " mean " marriage is

> > promised if 7CSL primarily signifies any of 2,7,11,5,8 houses? and

> marriage

> > will happen during the DBA when each of DBA primarily signifiies three

> > different houses out of 2,7,11,5,8 by each DBA to complete the chain,

> 2,7,11

> > or 2 11,5 or 2,5,8 etc? otherwise? "

> > 6. What is Sunil ji's rationale of considering 8th house for marriage?

> > 7. Which house is for 2nd spouse as per Sunil ji?

> > 8. What is Sunil ji's 2nd marriage rule?

> >

> > Hope to discuss theoretically and practically as per 4 step and as per KP

> > separately according to their different rules.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > @gro <%40> ups.com,

> > " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vishram ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara lord

> > > during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned by

> > > Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and

> > only

> > > if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house will

> > be

> > > 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any danger.

> > > Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born, how

> > > will that be abortion?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > [@gro <%40> ups.com]

> > On

> > > Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

> > > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has

> > > said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th

> > > house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is

> > lagna

> > > of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we

> > > determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or

> some

> > > other rule is there ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@>

> > > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not

> opposing

> > > you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by

> > you

> > > & I know you as a great astrologer.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator

> > of

> > > 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong

> > > significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there

> are

> > no

> > > chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or

> bhukti

> > > or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

> > > signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not fructifying "

> &

> > > " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who guides

> us

> > > for this ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Visharam ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11)

> > are

> > > also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th

> > > sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

> > > predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for

> > > discussion.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@

> > > .co. in <vishram_deshpande@> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think

> > about

> > > the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a

> way.

> > > The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl.

> Unfortunately,

> > > just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident

> when

> > a

> > > tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the

> > > marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have

> > > been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

> > > astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two

> extremely

> > > opposite manners.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage

> > > predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible

> &

> > > didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got

> postponed/cancelled

> > > as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of

> > the

> > > marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do

> > > happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant

> > say

> > > the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died

> within

> > > an hour after marriage.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not

> > > having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving

> > birth

> > > to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same

> > day.

> > > What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two

> > > extremely opposite manners.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if

> they

> > > have come across such situations..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Vishram,

 

Here to differentiate the matters represented by the same house one must use Karaka planet to break the bhava matters. For 8th house to indicate money/Dowry one must study Dhana karaka (JUP) & For 8th house to indicate death/longevity one must study karaka planet (SAT).

 

Hope i have clarified your doubts.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

 

 

 

--- On Fri, 9/25/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote:

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpandeRe: Imagine the horary chart. Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 11:23 PM

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he has said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage. 5th house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is lagna of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

 

Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or some other rule is there ?

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

 

 

Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>@gro ups.comSaturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not opposing you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done by you & I know you as a great astrologer.

 

In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator of 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there are no chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or bhukti or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between "not fructifying" & "immediate death of wife" from the significators ? Is it RP who guides us for this ?

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comSaturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AMRe: Imagine the horary chart.

 

Dear Visharam ji,

 

For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage (2,7,11) are also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

 

KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for discussion.

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Members,

 

Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think about the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a way. The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl. Unfortunately, just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident when a tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

 

Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before the marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could have been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners.

 

In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i) Marriage predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as impossible & didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got postponed/cancelled as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification of the marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we cant say the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died within an hour after marriage.

 

Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child, not having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving birth to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same day. What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two extremely opposite manners.

 

I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if they have come across such situations..

 

Thanks & regards.

 

Vishram Deshpande

 

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Dear TW Ji,

 

What I conclude from your thoughts is that

anyone who makes a statement or presents his experience or point of view on any

matter has to either give the reference from the KP Readers or support his

observation with 100 charts. I really doubt whether that would be possible. Its

one of the rarest of rare times that I had made a statement. I normally abstain

myself from discussions and only participate in quiz for my own learning and

experience.

 

My apologies for having taken this so far.

 

Regards,

Ajoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of TW

Sunday, September 27, 2009

6:47 PM

 

Re: Imagine

the horary chart.

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ajoy ji,

 

To make a creditable saying, it needs sufficient evidence, otherwise it is just

speculative saying. It is not yet even clear whether the said correctness is as

per 4 step or KP. Any evedence is helpful and to make or break a rule minimum

standard requirement is 100 cases.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

,

" Ajoy " <ajoy_matchless wrote:

>

> Dear TW Ji,

>

>

>

> If I submit 10 charts to illustrate, would that be taken as evidence?

>

> I have no burden on me since I have not insisted anyone to rely on my

> observation.

>

> I have not made a point to take any credits.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ajoy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

 

On

> Behalf Of TW

> Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:08 PM

>

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Ajoy ji,

>

> 1. Without sufficient evidence your saying seems not creditable and no

> comment.

> 2. The burden of proof is on yuor side for what you've said to be

reliable.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro <%40>

ups.com,

> " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear TW Ji

> >

> >

> >

> > Let me TRY to answer to your satisfaction.

> >

> >

> >

> > 1) I have not counted on how many charts. This is my experience. To

> > check whether this is correct, you may select some 10 charts randomly

from

> > your database and confirm the authenticity. I would appreciate if you

> could

> > then give the conclusion.

> >

> > 2) Yes all the charts in consideration are Indian

> >

> > 3) The gender is not noted since it is an observation.

> >

> > 4) It is an observation and not a rule.

> >

> >

> >

> > For queries from no.5 to no.8 , I am too small a person in front of

Shri

> > Gondhalekar ji to answer this. Any case I feel these questions seem

to be

> > directed towards him.

> >

> >

> >

> > Sir, I would like to conclude that I have put my observation in the

forum.

> > Whether it can be made a rule is for stalwarts like you and other

senior

> > members to decide.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ajoy

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > @gro <%40>

ups.com

> [@gro <%40>

ups.com]

> On

> > Behalf Of TW

> > Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:58 AM

> > @gro <%40>

ups.com

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ajoy ji,

> >

> > To make it clear about 80%, could you kindly verify the following

points,

> > please.

> >

> > 1. On how many charts study is 80%?

> > 2. All charts are Indian or not?

> > 3. In the case of Indian charts how many percent of charts under study

are

> > female?

> > 4. Is the study is as per KP rule or 4 step rule?

> > 5. Does " Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct. " mean

" marriage is

> > promised if 7CSL primarily signifies any of 2,7,11,5,8 houses? and

> marriage

> > will happen during the DBA when each of DBA primarily signifiies

three

> > different houses out of 2,7,11,5,8 by each DBA to complete the chain,

> 2,7,11

> > or 2 11,5 or 2,5,8 etc? otherwise? "

> > 6. What is Sunil ji's rationale of considering 8th house for

marriage?

> > 7. Which house is for 2nd spouse as per Sunil ji?

> > 8. What is Sunil ji's 2nd marriage rule?

> >

> > Hope to discuss theoretically and practically as per 4 step and as

per KP

> > separately according to their different rules.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > @gro <%40>

ups.com,

> > " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vishram ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and

antara lord

> > > during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule

mentioned by

> > > Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage

if and

> > only

> > > if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th

house will

> > be

> > > 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any

danger.

> > > Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the

wife.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is

born, how

> > > will that be abortion?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > @gro <%40>

ups.com

> > [@gro <%40>

ups.com]

> > On

> > > Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

> > > @gro <%40>

ups.com

> > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar

ji, he has

> > > said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate

marriage. 5th

> > > house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7

th house is

> > lagna

> > > of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how

can we

> > > determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as

abortion or

> some

> > > other rule is there ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@>

> > > @gro <%40>

ups.com

> > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > >

> > > Dear Punit ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not

> opposing

> > > you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies

done by

> > you

> > > & I know you as a great astrologer.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is signifificator

> > of

> > > 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is

strong

> > > significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly

& there

> are

> > no

> > > chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha

or

> bhukti

> > > or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp

lord is

> > > signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not

fructifying "

> &

> > > " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is

it RP who guides

> us

> > > for this ?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > @gro <%40>

ups.com

> > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Visharam ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage

(2,7,11)

> > are

> > > also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from

7th. 7th

> > > sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning

for

> > > predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here

for

> > > discussion.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande

<vishram_deshpande@

> > > .co. in <vishram_deshpande@> >

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me

think

> > about

> > > the significators which must have caused the things happen in

such a

> way.

> > > The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl.

> Unfortunately,

> > > just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an

accident

> when

> > a

> > > tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer

before the

> > > marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage,

what could have

> > > been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by

the

> > > astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two

> extremely

> > > opposite manners.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i)

Marriage

> > > predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted

as impossible

> &

> > > didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got

> postponed/cancelled

> > > as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like

fructification of

> > the

> > > marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the

things do

> > > happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this

& we cant

> > say

> > > the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his

wife died

> within

> > > an hour after marriage.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a

child, not

> > > having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman

giving

> > birth

> > > to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or

sometimes the same

> > day.

> > > What could be the positioning of significators which fructified

in two

> > > extremely opposite manners.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on

this if

> they

> > > have come across such situations..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & regards.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vishram Deshpande

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India

Homepage!

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> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ajoy ji,

 

1. I am also sorry to have to take the issue thus so far as it is very important

for true KP, otherwise no comment at all. Here let me clear my view.

 

2. In this free forum any member can present his experience or point of view on

any matter within the charter of the forum posted by the moderator and owner

Punit ji but preferrable KP and astrology related matters for the benefit of

members to learn KP.

 

3. However, if it is against the true KP (Krishanmurti Padhdhati)what had been

written by Guruji KSK by his hand and printed in the KP orignal 2 volumes of

1965, KP Readers I-VI, old A & A, one is supposed to have sufficient evidence to

erase what is written by Guruji KSK's hand by any mean or to say against it,

otherwise it can make confusion that Guruji KSK had made unconsistent views in

writing and saying or anything can be said to be KP or anything written by

Guruji KSK can be changed.

 

4. It is a common understanding that if something is said to be correct or wrong

by percentage numbers, it is usually based on the number of cases to calculate

thar percentage, for instance 80% out of 10 cases or 20 or 30 or ... minimum

standard of 100 cases, which is reasonably required to make or break a rule. The

reliability of the pecentage number depends on the number of cases studied.

 

Also my apology to all for going so far for the true KP.

 

Thanks and regards,

TW

 

 

, " Ajoy " <ajoy_matchless wrote:

>

> Dear TW Ji,

>

>

>

> What I conclude from your thoughts is that anyone who makes a statement or

> presents his experience or point of view on any matter has to either give

> the reference from the KP Readers or support his observation with 100

> charts. I really doubt whether that would be possible. Its one of the rarest

> of rare times that I had made a statement. I normally abstain myself from

> discussions and only participate in quiz for my own learning and experience.

>

>

>

> My apologies for having taken this so far.

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

> Ajoy

>

>

>

> _____

>

> On

> Behalf Of TW

> Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:47 PM

>

> Re: Imagine the horary chart.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Ajoy ji,

>

> To make a creditable saying, it needs sufficient evidence, otherwise it is

> just speculative saying. It is not yet even clear whether the said

> correctness is as per 4 step or KP. Any evedence is helpful and to make or

> break a rule minimum standard requirement is 100 cases.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> TW

>

> @gro <%40> ups.com,

> " Ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear TW Ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > If I submit 10 charts to illustrate, would that be taken as evidence?

> >

> > I have no burden on me since I have not insisted anyone to rely on my

> > observation.

> >

> > I have not made a point to take any credits.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ajoy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > @gro <%40> ups.com

> [@gro <%40> ups.com]

> On

> > Behalf Of TW

> > Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:08 PM

> > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Ajoy ji,

> >

> > 1. Without sufficient evidence your saying seems not creditable and no

> > comment.

> > 2. The burden of proof is on yuor side for what you've said to be

> reliable.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > TW

> >

> > @gro <%40> ups.com,

> > " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear TW Ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Let me TRY to answer to your satisfaction.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 1) I have not counted on how many charts. This is my experience. To

> > > check whether this is correct, you may select some 10 charts randomly

> from

> > > your database and confirm the authenticity. I would appreciate if you

> > could

> > > then give the conclusion.

> > >

> > > 2) Yes all the charts in consideration are Indian

> > >

> > > 3) The gender is not noted since it is an observation.

> > >

> > > 4) It is an observation and not a rule.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For queries from no.5 to no.8 , I am too small a person in front of Shri

> > > Gondhalekar ji to answer this. Any case I feel these questions seem to

> be

> > > directed towards him.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sir, I would like to conclude that I have put my observation in the

> forum.

> > > Whether it can be made a rule is for stalwarts like you and other senior

> > > members to decide.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ajoy

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > [@gro <%40> ups.com]

> > On

> > > Behalf Of TW

> > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:58 AM

> > > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Ajoy ji,

> > >

> > > To make it clear about 80%, could you kindly verify the following

> points,

> > > please.

> > >

> > > 1. On how many charts study is 80%?

> > > 2. All charts are Indian or not?

> > > 3. In the case of Indian charts how many percent of charts under study

> are

> > > female?

> > > 4. Is the study is as per KP rule or 4 step rule?

> > > 5. Does " Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct. " mean " marriage is

> > > promised if 7CSL primarily signifies any of 2,7,11,5,8 houses? and

> > marriage

> > > will happen during the DBA when each of DBA primarily signifiies three

> > > different houses out of 2,7,11,5,8 by each DBA to complete the chain,

> > 2,7,11

> > > or 2 11,5 or 2,5,8 etc? otherwise? "

> > > 6. What is Sunil ji's rationale of considering 8th house for marriage?

> > > 7. Which house is for 2nd spouse as per Sunil ji?

> > > 8. What is Sunil ji's 2nd marriage rule?

> > >

> > > Hope to discuss theoretically and practically as per 4 step and as per

> KP

> > > separately according to their different rules.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > TW

> > >

> > > @gro <%40>

> ups.com,

> > > " ajoy " <ajoy_matchless@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vishram ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In 80% of the cases you will find the the dasha, bhukti and antara

> lord

> > > > during marriage are also significators of 8 and 5. The rule mentioned

> by

> > > > Shri Sunil Gondhalekar ji is indeed correct.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To answer to your question, the 8th house will support marriage if and

> > > only

> > > > if 5th house also features in the conjoined period, since 5th house

> will

> > > be

> > > > 11th to the wife hence supporting marriage and also negating any

> danger.

> > > > Caution has to be taken if the 5th house becomes badhaka for the wife.

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I am not clear with the question of the child. If the child is born,

> how

> > > > will that be abortion?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > @gro <%40>

> ups.com

> > > [@gro <%40>

> ups.com]

> > > On

> > > > Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

> > > > Saturday, September 26, 2009 11:53 AM

> > > > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Again there is one more doubt. In a book by Sunil Gondhalekar ji, he

> has

> > > > said that some times house 5 & 8 are also good to indicate marriage.

> 5th

> > > > house is 11 th from 7 th & 8 th house is 2 nd from 7 th. 7 th house is

> > > lagna

> > > > of a person with whom one wants to marry. In such a case, how can we

> > > > determine whether 8 is supporting marriage or killing the wife ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Can a death of a child within one or two days be taken as abortion or

> > some

> > > > other rule is there ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vishram Deshpande

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@>

> > > > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 11:36:07 AM

> > > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Punit ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your immediate guidance.. Now what I am saying is not

> > opposing

> > > > you but its again a doubt. I have seen many pains taking studies done

> by

> > > you

> > > > & I know you as a great astrologer.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In some books it is said that if sub lord of 7th house is

> signifificator

> > > of

> > > > 2 or 7 or 11 it gives marriage but at the same time if it is strong

> > > > significator of 6 or 8 or 12 it opposes the marriage strongly & there

> > are

> > > no

> > > > chances of fructifying the marriage. We have to reject the dasha or

> > bhukti

> > > > or antara of that particular planet. As you said if 7th cusp lord is

> > > > signifying 8 strongly how can we differentiate between " not

> fructifying "

> > &

> > > > " immediate death of wife " from the significators ? Is it RP who guides

> > us

> > > > for this ?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & regards.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vishram Deshpande

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > _____

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp@>

> > > > @gro <%40> ups.com

> > > > Saturday, 26 September, 2009 10:45:45 AM

> > > > Re: Imagine the horary chart.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Visharam ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > For death immediately after marriage, significator or marriage

> (2,7,11)

> > > are

> > > > also significator of accident and death (2,7,8, badhaka) from 7th. 7th

> > > > sublord is also signifying marriage as well as death.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > KP clearly laid out the rules. Now we need to use our reasoning for

> > > > predictions. In case you have birth details, please post here for

> > > > discussion.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Vishram Deshpande

> <vishram_deshpande@

> > > > .co. in <vishram_deshpande@> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Few days back, in a local news paper I read a news which made me think

> > > about

> > > > the significators which must have caused the things happen in such a

> > way.

> > > > The news was, in some village, a boy got married to a girl.

> > Unfortunately,

> > > > just few hours after the marriage the girl got killed in an accident

> > when

> > > a

> > > > tempo was coming in reverse & she came below the tyre.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Now just imagine if the boy had gone to a good KP astrologer before

> the

> > > > marriage was fixed & if he had asked about his marriage, what could

> have

> > > > been the situation of significators in the horary chart made by the

> > > > astrologer, which caused such a happening of the marriage in two

> > extremely

> > > > opposite manners.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In most of the books what we see as examples are like this- i)

> Marriage

> > > > predicted & fructified as predicted ii) Marriage predicted as

> impossible

> > &

> > > > didn't fructify as predicted iii) Marriage fixed & got

> > postponed/cancelled

> > > > as predicted. Though nowhere we see some examples like fructification

> of

> > > the

> > > > marriage in two extremely opposite manners, in real life the things do

> > > > happen. We being good astrologers must have reasoning for this & we

> cant

> > > say

> > > > the boy got married as I predicted & I don't know why his wife died

> > within

> > > > an hour after marriage.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Similarly, for child birth, there are examples like having a child,

> not

> > > > having a child, abortion, but there are no examples of a woman giving

> > > birth

> > > > to a baby & the baby dies within one or two days or sometimes the same

> > > day.

> > > > What could be the positioning of significators which fructified in two

> > > > extremely opposite manners.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this if

> > they

> > > > have come across such situations..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & regards.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vishram Deshpande

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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