Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

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Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude:82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir only ?

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

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Dear Misra ji,

 

1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

2. This is not a place to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you have mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you will find that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka once again.

3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable.

4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that we need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in 6,8,12. This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts. Do we have such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude:82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir only ?  

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

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Mr Dhirendra Nath Mishra JiBy Birth you are a Brahman and you have lot of interest on Astrology, Astrology is occult science,so this is alive subject, like atomic structure First Bohr came and then Luise and they amened ed the theory on experimental ground , so knowledge always must upgrade, so who were our old Gurus work on this subject, we should choose words keeping their contribution in mind.They are always respectable for us.RegardsDr Mishra--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby Received: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 6:45 PM

 

 

Dear Misra ji,

 

1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

2. This is not a place to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you have mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you will find that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka once again.

3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable.

4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that we need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in 6,8,12. This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts. Do we have such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is illegitimate baby.. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude: 82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir only ?

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Respected Punit Pandey Ji ,First of all thanks very much for approving my query.I put this question because regarding the above subject I could not find any K.P Rules for cross checking.But when ever I see chart of many querist I do not find that there is any aspect of Jupiter as mentioned by great sage Varahmihir.I don't dare comment upon the verse written by great sage Varahmihir rather what to do with charts of querist.This rule could not be seen applicable in 40 % of charts of Indian natives and I mean to say Jupiter does not qualifies neither lagna nor Moon in these 40% charts.So in this situation what inference should be drawn regarding this matter.Although it is not the fault of the native and native wants his reply only yet the verse rings the bell.That is why I asked as to whether there is any great significance of it while making predictions or not.With your permission I can mention birth details of natives sent

to me in which legitimacy does not apply on the basis of rules as laid down by great sage Varahmihir but I could not make any firm opinion because I could not check these charts with K.P Rules.With regards & thanks,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 12:15:57 AMRe: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

 

Dear Misra ji,

 

1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

2. This is not a place to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you have mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you will find that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka once again.

3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable.

4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that we need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in 6,8,12. This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts. Do we have such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude: 82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir only ?

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

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Respected Punit Ji & Senior Members,Is there any K.P Rules regarding legitimacy of baby as great sage Vara Mihir has written in sloka 6 of chapter 5 in Brihad Jatakam.Does there any K.P Rule Apply regarding legitimacy in the Following Chart:-

(1) S.Gupta-DOB 13.06.1963,TOB-5:33AM,Bulanshar,U.P

(2) H.Prasad-DOB 28-9-1970,TOB-01:10AM,Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh

(3)Murli-DOB-9-2-1975,TOB-5:45PM,Chennai,Tamil Nadu

(4)Bijnauri Father-DOB-1-6-1936 ,TOB-8:10AM,Bijnor,U.P

(5) R.Patel-DOB-12-5-1957,TOB-4:25AM,Aden,Yemen

(6) Babu-DOB-6-9-1960,TOB-03:09AM,POB-Cochin,Kerla

(7)Sravanan Friend-DOB-31-1-1974,TOB-3:35AM,IPOH,Malasiya

(8) I.Kapoor-DOB27-9-1982,TOB-11:25PM,Belgrade,Serbia

(9)Rijiv -DOBDOB-29-4-1963,TOB-10AM,Barsi,Maharastra

(10) Sravanan Friend-DOB-26-6-1973,TOB-3:20AM,Muar,Malasiya

These are few examples in which I could not prove regarding legitimacy with K.P Rules.Please Senior members of forum guide me.With regards & thanks

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 12:15:57 AMRe: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

 

Dear Misra ji,

 

1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

2. This is not a place to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you have mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you will find that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka once again.

3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable.

4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that we need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in 6,8,12. This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts. Do we have such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude: 82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir only ?

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

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Respected Mr. Mishraji and Mr. Pandeyji,

Sir,

Sorry for intervening in the discussion between two giant-astrologers, but I

think we should first find out as to who were considered Illegitimate-babies in

the days of the great Varah Mihir.

The problem I am pondering over for the last one week is, in a way, connected

with this topic--at least I think so.

One of my close acquaintances has an adopted child in their family.Adopted from

an orphanage. No details except possible POB is known. Is it possible to prepare

a chart with the help of RPs? One such method is described in the book by late

Mr. Shahasane but I hesitate to proceed with it for some unknown doubts. How to

verify correctness of the chart thus arrived at?

Regards,

sujatkaram , Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Misra ji,

>

> 1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

> 2. This is not a place to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP

> readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you have

> mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you will

> find that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka

> once again.

> 3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and

> choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable.

>

> 4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the

> verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that

> we need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in

> 6,8,12. This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts.

> Do we have such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <

> dhirendranathmisra wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to

> > birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5

> > written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect

> > either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is

> > illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB

> > 08:15AM,Longitude:82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and

> > aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to

> > prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir

> > only ?

> >

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >

> > **

> >

> >

> >

>

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This method is useful to fix the ASC of native before approaching to last resort of Nashta Jataka.

 

 

 

Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra Cc: punitpSent: Fri, 9 October, 2009 8:58:18 AMRe: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

 

 

 

Respected Punit Ji & Senior Members,Is there any K.P Rules regarding legitimacy of baby as great sage Vara Mihir has written in sloka 6 of chapter 5 in Brihad Jatakam.Does there any K.P Rule Apply regarding legitimacy in the Following Chart:-

(1) S.Gupta-DOB 13.06.1963,TOB- 5:33AM,Bulanshar ,U.P

(2) H.Prasad-DOB 28-9-1970,TOB- 01:10AM,Hyderaba d, Andhra Pradesh

(3)Murli-DOB- 9-2-1975, TOB-5:45PM, Chennai,Tamil Nadu

(4)Bijnauri Father-DOB-1- 6-1936 ,TOB-8:10AM, Bijnor,U. P

(5) R.Patel-DOB- 12-5-1957, TOB-4:25AM, Aden,Yemen

(6) Babu-DOB-6-9- 1960,TOB- 03:09AM,POB- Cochin,Kerla

(7)Sravanan Friend-DOB-31- 1-1974,TOB- 3:35AM,IPOH, Malasiya

(8) I.Kapoor-DOB27- 9-1982,TOB- 11:25PM,Belgrade ,Serbia

(9)Rijiv -DOBDOB-29-4- 1963,TOB- 10AM,Barsi, Maharastra

(10) Sravanan Friend-DOB-26- 6-1973,TOB- 3:20AM,Muar, Malasiya

These are few examples in which I could not prove regarding legitimacy with K.P Rules.Please Senior members of forum guide me.With regards & thanks

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comFri, October 9, 2009 12:15:57 AMRe: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

 

Dear Misra ji,

 

1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

2. This is not a place to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you have mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you will find that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka once again.

3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable.

4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that we need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in 6,8,12. This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts. Do we have such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude: 82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir only ?

Dhirendra Nath Misra

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Friends,

1. It appears very strange for an Indian astrologer to ask whether the sloka for

a bastard birth in the Brihat Jatak is only the nonsense thought of

Varahamihira, who is highly praised as father of the Hindu astrology we are

discussing.

2. A bastard birth is not available in KP, and no KP astrologer has been found

studied in this regard.

3. The Brihat Jatak and Jataka Chadrika were memorized in young BV Raman's study

of astrology. (My Experiences in Astroogy by BV Raman)

4. The nature of a bastard birth is the same all the time but its tricky

legality has been changed by time and country. The DNA test shows who is the

biological father of the child out of many guys who claimed to be the father in

the case of late Anna Nicole Smith's last child in US. Anther thing is that the

guy is legally obliged to pay the monthly child alimony whether married or not,

if the DNA test shows he is the biological father of the child.

5. Prof. PS Sastri had shared his experience in support of the above mentioned

sloka in the commentary of his translated Brihat Jatak that a Jupiter under

heavy affliction could not prevent a bastard birth by giving an example birth

chart of a boy born from a man other than the legitimate husband of mother.

(Brihat Jatak translated by Sastri page 58)

6. A planetary position for a bastard birth is not only the nonsense thought of

Varahamihira but in the Saravali also the different planetary position for

kchsetraja child birth to one's own wife from an outsider or to one's own

husband from a different woman was given by Kalyana Varma, as also explained in

the Text Book of Scientific Hindu Astrology by Prof. PS Sastri, pages 870-871.

Another planetary position from classical text is given for birth of children

outside wedlock in the Practical Vedic Astrology by GS Agarwal, page 174. In the

following link, bastard is governed by Saturn.

http://www.keralaastrology.com/basics.htm

Saturn: ----(38)exertion(39)born of a very low mother (40)bastard

7. There is a good selling book entitled:

How to Spot a Bastard by His Star Sign : The Ultimate Horroscope

by Adele Rajah Susi Lang et al - Paperback (St Martins Pr; Feb 1 2002)

http://www.amazon.com/How-Spot-Bastard-Star-Sign/product-reviews/0312284861/ref=\

cm_rdp_hist_hdr_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8 & showViewpoints=1

8. It is said in the West that astrology had its ups and downs in the Christian

era… but Ptolemy's bastard child wouldn't die so easily.

http://www.rotten.com/library/occult/astrology/

Regards,

TW

 

 

 

, Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal wrote:

>

> This method is useful to fix the ASC of native before approaching to last

resort of Nashta Jataka.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra

>

> Cc: punitp

> Fri, 9 October, 2009 8:58:18 AM

> Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

>

>  

> Respected Punit Ji & Senior Members,Is there any K.P Rules regarding

legitimacy of baby as great sage Vara Mihir has written in sloka 6 of chapter 5

in Brihad Jatakam.Does there any K.P Rule Apply regarding legitimacy in the

Following Chart:-

> (1) S.Gupta-DOB 13.06.1963,TOB- 5:33AM,Bulanshar ,U.P

> (2) H.Prasad-DOB 28-9-1970,TOB- 01:10AM,Hyderaba d, Andhra Pradesh

> (3)Murli-DOB- 9-2-1975, TOB-5:45PM, Chennai,Tamil Nadu

> (4)Bijnauri Father-DOB-1- 6-1936 ,TOB-8:10AM, Bijnor,U. P

> (5) R.Patel-DOB- 12-5-1957, TOB-4:25AM, Aden,Yemen

> (6) Babu-DOB-6-9- 1960,TOB- 03:09AM,POB- Cochin,Kerla

> (7)Sravanan Friend-DOB-31- 1-1974,TOB- 3:35AM,IPOH, Malasiya

> (8) I.Kapoor-DOB27- 9-1982,TOB- 11:25PM,Belgrade ,Serbia

> (9)Rijiv -DOBDOB-29-4- 1963,TOB- 10AM,Barsi, Maharastra

> (10) Sravanan Friend-DOB-26- 6-1973,TOB- 3:20AM,Muar, Malasiya

>                         These are few examples in which I could not prove

regarding legitimacy with K.P Rules.Please Senior members of forum guide me.With

regards & thanks 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra

>  

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> @gro ups.com

> Fri, October 9, 2009 12:15:57 AM

> Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

>

>  

> Dear Misra ji,

>

> 1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

> 2. This is not a place to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP

readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you have

mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you will find

that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka once again.

> 3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and

choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable.

> 4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the

verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that we

need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in 6,8,12.

This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts. Do we have

such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@

ymail.com> wrote:

>

>  

> >Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to birth

of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by

Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect either Lagna or

Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is illegitimate baby. For

example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude: 82E44,Latitude

26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of

great significance with regard to prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought

of great sage Varah Mihir only ?  

> >Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > 

> Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now!

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Dear Tw ji,

 

Such a comprehensive compilation. Thanks.

 

I checked the TOC of the book " How to Spot a Bastard by His Star Sign " and seems that this is not a book about illegitimate child that we are discussing here. It seems that the word 'basterd' is used just as a word of negative connotation in the book. I guess you meant that same when you had posted it.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:37 AM, TW <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,1. It appears very strange for an Indian astrologer to ask whether the sloka for a bastard birth in the Brihat Jatak is only the nonsense thought of Varahamihira, who is highly praised as father of the Hindu astrology we are discussing.

2. A bastard birth is not available in KP, and no KP astrologer has been found studied in this regard.3. The Brihat Jatak and Jataka Chadrika were memorized in young BV Raman's study of astrology. (My Experiences in Astroogy by BV Raman)

4. The nature of a bastard birth is the same all the time but its tricky legality has been changed by time and country. The DNA test shows who is the biological father of the child out of many guys who claimed to be the father in the case of late Anna Nicole Smith's last child in US. Anther thing is that the guy is legally obliged to pay the monthly child alimony whether married or not, if the DNA test shows he is the biological father of the child.

5. Prof. PS Sastri had shared his experience in support of the above mentioned sloka in the commentary of his translated Brihat Jatak that a Jupiter under heavy affliction could not prevent a bastard birth by giving an example birth chart of a boy born from a man other than the legitimate husband of mother. (Brihat Jatak translated by Sastri page 58)

6. A planetary position for a bastard birth is not only the nonsense thought of Varahamihira but in the Saravali also the different planetary position for kchsetraja child birth to one's own wife from an outsider or to one's own husband from a different woman was given by Kalyana Varma, as also explained in the Text Book of Scientific Hindu Astrology by Prof. PS Sastri, pages 870-871. Another planetary position from classical text is given for birth of children outside wedlock in the Practical Vedic Astrology by GS Agarwal, page 174. In the following link, bastard is governed by Saturn.

http://www.keralaastrology.com/basics.htmSaturn: ----(38)exertion(39)born of a very low mother (40)bastard7. There is a good selling book entitled:

How to Spot a Bastard by His Star Sign : The Ultimate Horroscope by Adele Rajah Susi Lang et al - Paperback (St Martins Pr; Feb 1 2002) http://www.amazon.com/How-Spot-Bastard-Star-Sign/product-reviews/0312284861/ref=cm_rdp_hist_hdr_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8 & showViewpoints=1

8. It is said in the West that astrology had its ups and downs in the Christian era… but Ptolemy's bastard child wouldn't die so easily.http://www.rotten.com/library/occult/astrology/

Regards,TW , Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal wrote:>> This method is useful to fix the ASC of native before approaching to last resort of Nashta Jataka.

> > > > > ________________________________> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra > > Cc: punitp

 

> Fri, 9 October, 2009 8:58:18 AM> Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby> >   > Respected Punit Ji & Senior Members,Is there any K.P Rules regarding legitimacy of baby as great sage Vara Mihir has written in sloka 6 of chapter 5 in Brihad Jatakam.Does there any K.P Rule Apply regarding legitimacy in the Following Chart:-

> (1) S.Gupta-DOB 13.06.1963,TOB- 5:33AM,Bulanshar ,U.P> (2) H.Prasad-DOB 28-9-1970,TOB- 01:10AM,Hyderaba d, Andhra Pradesh> (3)Murli-DOB- 9-2-1975, TOB-5:45PM, Chennai,Tamil Nadu> (4)Bijnauri Father-DOB-1- 6-1936 ,TOB-8:10AM, Bijnor,U. P

> (5) R.Patel-DOB- 12-5-1957, TOB-4:25AM, Aden,Yemen> (6) Babu-DOB-6-9- 1960,TOB- 03:09AM,POB- Cochin,Kerla> (7)Sravanan Friend-DOB-31- 1-1974,TOB- 3:35AM,IPOH, Malasiya> (8) I.Kapoor-DOB27- 9-1982,TOB- 11:25PM,Belgrade ,Serbia

> (9)Rijiv -DOBDOB-29-4- 1963,TOB- 10AM,Barsi, Maharastra> (10) Sravanan Friend-DOB-26- 6-1973,TOB- 3:20AM,Muar, Malasiya>                         These are few examples in which I could not prove regarding legitimacy with K.P Rules.Please Senior members of forum guide me.With regards & thanks 

> Dhirendra Nath Misra>  > > > > > ________________________________> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com

> Fri, October 9, 2009 12:15:57 AM> Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby> >   > Dear Misra ji,> > 1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

> 2. This is not a place to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you have mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you will find that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka once again.

> 3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable. > 4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that we need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in 6,8,12. This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts. Do we have such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same.

> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> wrote:

> >   > >Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude: 82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir only ?  

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dear friendsI think this issue of legitmate baby has been discussed in forum before two three years ..can u check old message archives...in grouprajiv bokariyawww.bokaariya.comPunit Pandey <punitp Sent: Sat, 10

October, 2009 12:21:50 PMRe: Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

 

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

Such a comprehensive compilation. Thanks.

 

I checked the TOC of the book "How to Spot a Bastard by His Star Sign" and seems that this is not a book about illegitimate child that we are discussing here. It seems that the word 'basterd' is used just as a word of negative connotation in the book. I guess you meant that same when you had posted it.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:37 AM, TW <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Friends,1. It appears very strange for an Indian astrologer to ask whether the sloka for a bastard birth in the Brihat Jatak is only the nonsense thought of Varahamihira, who is highly praised as father of the Hindu astrology we are discussing.

2. A bastard birth is not available in KP, and no KP astrologer has been found studied in this regard.3. The Brihat Jatak and Jataka Chadrika were memorized in young BV Raman's study of astrology. (My Experiences in Astroogy by BV Raman)

4. The nature of a bastard birth is the same all the time but its tricky legality has been changed by time and country. The DNA test shows who is the biological father of the child out of many guys who claimed to be the father in the case of late Anna Nicole Smith's last child in US. Anther thing is that the guy is legally obliged to pay the monthly child alimony whether married or not, if the DNA test shows he is the biological father of the child.

5. Prof. PS Sastri had shared his experience in support of the above mentioned sloka in the commentary of his translated Brihat Jatak that a Jupiter under heavy affliction could not prevent a bastard birth by giving an example birth chart of a boy born from a man other than the legitimate husband of mother. (Brihat Jatak translated by Sastri page 58)

6. A planetary position for a bastard birth is not only the nonsense thought of Varahamihira but in the Saravali also the different planetary position for kchsetraja child birth to one's own wife from an outsider or to one's own husband from a different woman was given by Kalyana Varma, as also explained in the Text Book of Scientific Hindu Astrology by Prof. PS Sastri, pages 870-871. Another planetary position from classical text is given for birth of children outside wedlock in the Practical Vedic Astrology by GS Agarwal, page 174. In the following link, bastard is governed by Saturn.

http://www.keralaas trology.com/ basics.htmSaturn: ----(38)exertion( 39)born of a very low mother (40)bastard7. There is a good selling book entitled:

How to Spot a Bastard by His Star Sign : The Ultimate Horroscope by Adele Rajah Susi Lang et al - Paperback (St Martins Pr; Feb 1 2002) http://www.amazon. com/How-Spot- Bastard-Star- Sign/product- reviews/03122848 61/ref=cm_ rdp_hist_ hdr_cm_cr_ acr_txt?ie= UTF8 & showViewpoints= 1

8. It is said in the West that astrology had its ups and downs in the Christian era… but Ptolemy's bastard child wouldn't die so easily.http://www.rotten. com/library/ occult/astrology /

Regards,TW @gro ups.com, Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ ...> wrote:>> This method is useful to fix the ASC of native before approaching to last resort of Nashta Jataka.

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ...> > @gro ups.com> Cc: punitp

 

> Fri, 9 October, 2009 8:58:18 AM> Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby> > > Respected Punit Ji & Senior Members, Is there any K.P Rules regarding legitimacy of baby as great sage Vara Mihir has written in sloka 6 of chapter 5 in Brihad Jatakam.Does there any K.P Rule Apply regarding legitimacy in the Following Chart:-

> (1) S.Gupta-DOB 13.06.1963,TOB- 5:33AM,Bulanshar ,U.P> (2) H.Prasad-DOB 28-9-1970,TOB- 01:10AM,Hyderaba d, Andhra Pradesh> (3)Murli-DOB- 9-2-1975, TOB-5:45PM, Chennai,Tamil Nadu> (4)Bijnauri Father-DOB-1- 6-1936 ,TOB-8:10AM, Bijnor,U. P

> (5) R.Patel-DOB- 12-5-1957, TOB-4:25AM, Aden,Yemen> (6) Babu-DOB-6-9- 1960,TOB- 03:09AM,POB- Cochin,Kerla> (7)Sravanan Friend-DOB-31- 1-1974,TOB- 3:35AM,IPOH, Malasiya> (8) I.Kapoor-DOB27- 9-1982,TOB- 11:25PM,Belgrade ,Serbia

> (9)Rijiv -DOBDOB-29-4- 1963,TOB- 10AM,Barsi, Maharastra> (10) Sravanan Friend-DOB-26- 6-1973,TOB- 3:20AM,Muar, Malasiya> These are few examples in which I could not prove regarding legitimacy with K.P Rules.Please Senior members of forum guide me.With regards & thanks

> Dhirendra Nath Misra> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com

> Fri, October 9, 2009 12:15:57 AM> Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby> > > Dear Misra ji,> > 1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

> 2. This is not a place to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you have mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you will find that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka once again.

> 3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable. > 4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that we need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in 6,8,12. This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts. Do we have such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same.

> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> wrote:

> > > >Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude: 82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir only ?

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Dear Punit ji,

You're right, it is not about the illegitimate child.

Regards,

TW

 

, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>

> Such a comprehensive compilation. Thanks.

>

> I checked the TOC of the book " How to Spot a Bastard by His Star Sign " and

> seems that this is not a book about illegitimate child that we are

> discussing here. It seems that the word 'basterd' is used just as a word of

> negative connotation in the book. I guess you meant that same when you had

> posted it.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:37 AM, TW <tw853 wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > 1. It appears very strange for an Indian astrologer to ask whether the

> > sloka for a bastard birth in the Brihat Jatak is only the nonsense thought

> > of Varahamihira, who is highly praised as father of the Hindu astrology we

> > are discussing.

> > 2. A bastard birth is not available in KP, and no KP astrologer has been

> > found studied in this regard.

> > 3. The Brihat Jatak and Jataka Chadrika were memorized in young BV Raman's

> > study of astrology. (My Experiences in Astroogy by BV Raman)

> > 4. The nature of a bastard birth is the same all the time but its tricky

> > legality has been changed by time and country. The DNA test shows who is the

> > biological father of the child out of many guys who claimed to be the father

> > in the case of late Anna Nicole Smith's last child in US. Anther thing is

> > that the guy is legally obliged to pay the monthly child alimony whether

> > married or not, if the DNA test shows he is the biological father of the

> > child.

> > 5. Prof. PS Sastri had shared his experience in support of the above

> > mentioned sloka in the commentary of his translated Brihat Jatak that a

> > Jupiter under heavy affliction could not prevent a bastard birth by giving

> > an example birth chart of a boy born from a man other than the legitimate

> > husband of mother. (Brihat Jatak translated by Sastri page 58)

> > 6. A planetary position for a bastard birth is not only the nonsense

> > thought of Varahamihira but in the Saravali also the different planetary

> > position for kchsetraja child birth to one's own wife from an outsider or to

> > one's own husband from a different woman was given by Kalyana Varma, as also

> > explained in the Text Book of Scientific Hindu Astrology by Prof. PS Sastri,

> > pages 870-871. Another planetary position from classical text is given for

> > birth of children outside wedlock in the Practical Vedic Astrology by GS

> > Agarwal, page 174. In the following link, bastard is governed by Saturn.

> > http://www.keralaastrology.com/basics.htm

> > Saturn: ----(38)exertion(39)born of a very low mother (40)bastard

> > 7. There is a good selling book entitled:

> > How to Spot a Bastard by His Star Sign : The Ultimate Horroscope

> > by Adele Rajah Susi Lang et al - Paperback (St Martins Pr; Feb 1 2002)

> >

> >

http://www.amazon.com/How-Spot-Bastard-Star-Sign/product-reviews/0312284861/ref=\

cm_rdp_hist_hdr_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8 & showViewpoints=1

> > 8. It is said in the West that astrology had its ups and downs in the

> > Christian era… but Ptolemy's bastard child wouldn't die so easily.

> > http://www.rotten.com/library/occult/astrology/

> > Regards,

> > TW

> >

> >

> > <%40>, Bhuwan

> > Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@> wrote:

> > >

> > > This method is useful to fix the ASC of native before approaching to last

> > resort of Nashta Jataka.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@>

> > > <%40>

> > > Cc: punitp@

> >

> > > Fri, 9 October, 2009 8:58:18 AM

> > > Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Punit Ji & Senior Members,Is there any K.P Rules regarding

> > legitimacy of baby as great sage Vara Mihir has written in sloka 6 of

> > chapter 5 in Brihad Jatakam.Does there any K.P Rule Apply regarding

> > legitimacy in the Following Chart:-

> > > (1) S.Gupta-DOB 13.06.1963,TOB- 5:33AM,Bulanshar ,U.P

> > > (2) H.Prasad-DOB 28-9-1970,TOB- 01:10AM,Hyderaba d, Andhra Pradesh

> > > (3)Murli-DOB- 9-2-1975, TOB-5:45PM, Chennai,Tamil Nadu

> > > (4)Bijnauri Father-DOB-1- 6-1936 ,TOB-8:10AM, Bijnor,U. P

> > > (5) R.Patel-DOB- 12-5-1957, TOB-4:25AM, Aden,Yemen

> > > (6) Babu-DOB-6-9- 1960,TOB- 03:09AM,POB- Cochin,Kerla

> > > (7)Sravanan Friend-DOB-31- 1-1974,TOB- 3:35AM,IPOH, Malasiya

> > > (8) I.Kapoor-DOB27- 9-1982,TOB- 11:25PM,Belgrade ,Serbia

> > > (9)Rijiv -DOBDOB-29-4- 1963,TOB- 10AM,Barsi, Maharastra

> > > (10) Sravanan Friend-DOB-26- 6-1973,TOB- 3:20AM,Muar, Malasiya

> > > These are few examples in which I could not prove

> > regarding legitimacy with K.P Rules.Please Senior members of forum guide

> > me.With regards & thanks

> > > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Fri, October 9, 2009 12:15:57 AM

> > > Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Misra ji,

> > >

> > > 1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

> > > 2. This is not a place to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk

> > KP readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you

> > have mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you

> > will find that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat

> > Jataka once again.

> > > 3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and

> > choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable.

> >

> > > 4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the

> > verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that

> > we need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in

> > 6,8,12. This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts.

> > Do we have such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > >Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to

> > birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5

> > written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect

> > either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is

> > illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB

> > 08:15AM,Longitude: 82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and

> > aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to

> > prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir

> > only ?

> > > >Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now!

> > http://in./trynew

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>