Guest guest Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Dear Xavier, Can you please furnish the time zone and degree of planets from KAS2005 program please. Thanks, Cheers !!! Ash , Xavier Murer <murerx> wrote: > > Sorry I wrote to fast wrote a mistake, please forget my last mail and see my correction > > > Dear All, > > I am testing the timing for the up and D own of career for employee, businessman, politician, etc... > Generally speaking, the resulta t s are very statisfying with KAS and I have no problem to justify a new job or the win of a election, etc... > For a few case, I can not find the solution. > For a person ( born on 28th of december of 1946 at 5:08 PM) , 47N29 6E55 AS 23°52 GEMINI). > She got a first job, stable on the 1rst of october 1964. She was in sub of Mercury, lord of the 1rst and the 4th and occupying the 6th. > Mercury is NOT the Lord of III and XI ( D and E of the 6th) and not samdharmi to lord of IIIrd and XI. The use of the VI (as B house) is more useful than the X in my research. > If somebody can explain to me to justify the first job with the 6th ( I may have forgot something), thank you > Regards > Xavier > > > > > > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Messenger > Téléchargez le ici ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Dear Members,I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned..."In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........" but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is -"One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce.I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions.Vishram Deshpande From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Sir, In page 146 the statement is given in reference to the ability of a PLANET to give result. The meaning thereby is if any of the significators for an event is in retrograde motion but is posited in a constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacles and delay the matter will materialize. If the planet rules the DBAS and is retrograde at the time of judgment one has to offer prediction as above. In page 192 the statement is referred to the sub-lord of the 5th cusp and not the planet. If the sub lord is retrograde at the time of judgment progeny is denied. Thus one statement points to a planet and the second points to the sub-lord of the 5th cusp. Dr. Rath Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpandeKP System Forum Sat, October 10, 2009 11:47:53 PM Correction Dear Members,I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned..."In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........" but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is -"One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce.I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions.Vishram Deshpande From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Friends,1. The KP Reader VI new editions are the reprint of 1970 edition and nothing is changed.2. The issue is what mentioned on page 146 ... "In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise, when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point where from retrograde motion started".is whether consistent with the conditions mentioned on page 192--"If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." (first condition is: Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. )3. Depending on the nature of query, here in the case child birth, it is to consider whether "Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde".. rule is tightened as it is not appropriate to predict that "the matter will materialise, when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point where from retrorade motion started"??.4. Another emerging view is that the retrograde doesn't matter in horary like in natal chart but its debatable and a sufficient evidence is still needed. For example, in Progeny and Romance edited by K Subramaniam, pages 212- 217, it was found that the retrogression of the 5th cuspal sub lord was not impediment to the child birth in the horary analysis. 5. One thing is also interesting that if retrogression is supposed not to work in natal or in both natal and horary, why a DBA lord in a retrograde star has not to work ??Thanks and regards,TW , Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote:>> Dear Members,> > I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007> > In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned...> > "In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........" but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is -"One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce.> > I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions.> > Vishram Deshpande> > > > Try the new India Homepage. http://in./trynew> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Sir I think there are mistake at many places and may be in later editions but I didn't write in the forum to avoid unnacessory discussions. I have started reading all the 6 readers once more. In reader VI,edition VI, On pg no 83, under heading " constellation and sub " .., there is 2nd chart with birth chart details are-DOB 28/1/1921; 7.06PM; 13N04;80E15. I entered all details in my SW and nothing is matching. As SUN degree are ok (only difference of mts)means no misprint in data but other planet degrees are not matching. I wasted lot of my time and left it. I also wanted to tell for new students not to get confused but once I wrote in the forum about it and few people said the books are so old and hand made calculations of that time are there etc etc so this time I kept quiet. But I feel all these should be corrected by the owner/ publisher whosever has right to do it.One gets bored while reading such wrongly printed books Hand made calculations should also be nearer to the real calculations. Regards Dr Sheetal On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote: Dear Members,I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned... " In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........ " but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is - " One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. " If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all. " According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce. I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions. Vishram Deshpande From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Vishram, There is no dichotomy...I think...one reference possibly refers to the Dasa-Bhukti-Anthatara-Sookshma period running, whereas the other refers to the cuspal sub-lord's properties,(if you wish to call them so). With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote: Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande Correction"KP System Forum" Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:17 PM Dear Members,I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned..."In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........" but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is -"One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce.I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions.Vishram Deshpande From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Yogesh ji,Our KP system is considered to be an astrological system which has least confusing rules & even with the simple straight forward rules an astrologer can come to a correct prediction confidently. As mentioned on p 146, the rule is correct because it matches with the horary theory described elsewhere in KP readers or even other books. The rule mentioned on p 192 (part 1 of rule) doesn't seem to be correct because we all know that the CSL of the main house (for any query) can materialize the event even if it is in retrograde motion, only the thing is that it creates delays or obstacles, but according to this rule the event is straight way denied.As you say, one may call something as DBAS theory or CSL properties theory to the solving method, but we all must agree that whatever theory we use we must not get misguided by any rule & must not deviate from the correct prediction.Vishram DeshpandeYogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Cc: Vishram Deshpande <vishram_ deshpandeSun, 11 October, 2009 10:05:37 AMRe: Correction Dear Vishram, There is no dichotomy... I think...one reference possibly refers to the Dasa-Bhukti- Anthatara- Sookshma period running, whereas the other refers to the cuspal sub-lord's properties,( if you wish to call them so). With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote: Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> Correction"KP System Forum" <@gro ups.com>Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:17 PM Dear Members,I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned..."In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........" but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is -"One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce.I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions.Vishram Deshpande From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Hello I think there the date of birth in this perticular chart written is wrong or misprint. I should be 29th Jan 1928 and rest parameters given in following ref are same. But it will be difficult for new student to read this book. Anyways.. Dr Sheetal On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Dear Sir I think there are mistake at many places and may be in later editions but I didn't write in the forum to avoid unnacessory discussions. I have started reading all the 6 readers once more. In reader VI,edition VI, On pg no 83, under heading " constellation and sub " .., there is 2nd chart with birth chart details are-DOB 28/1/1921; 7.06PM; 13N04;80E15. I entered all details in my SW and nothing is matching. As SUN degree are ok (only difference of mts)means no misprint in data but other planet degrees are not matching. I wasted lot of my time and left it. I also wanted to tell for new students not to get confused but once I wrote in the forum about it and few people said the books are so old and hand made calculations of that time are there etc etc so this time I kept quiet. But I feel all these should be corrected by the owner/ publisher whosever has right to do it.One gets bored while reading such wrongly printed books Hand made calculations should also be nearer to the real calculations. Regards Dr Sheetal On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote: Dear Members,I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned... " In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........ " but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is - " One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. " If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all. " According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce. I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions. Vishram Deshpande From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 I mean DOB should be 29th Jan 1928 instead of 28th Jan 1921.TOB and POB are same. this in ref to my mail regarding reader VI,Edition VI, pg 83, 2nd chart....After changing DOB all planet degree is matching. It is due to misprinting. Dr Sheetal On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Hello I think there the date of birth in this perticular chart written is wrong or misprint. I should be 29th Jan 1928 and rest parameters given in following ref are same. But it will be difficult for new student to read this book. Anyways.. Dr Sheetal On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Dear Sir I think there are mistake at many places and may be in later editions but I didn't write in the forum to avoid unnacessory discussions. I have started reading all the 6 readers once more. In reader VI,edition VI, On pg no 83, under heading " constellation and sub " .., there is 2nd chart with birth chart details are-DOB 28/1/1921; 7.06PM; 13N04;80E15. I entered all details in my SW and nothing is matching. As SUN degree are ok (only difference of mts)means no misprint in data but other planet degrees are not matching. I wasted lot of my time and left it. I also wanted to tell for new students not to get confused but once I wrote in the forum about it and few people said the books are so old and hand made calculations of that time are there etc etc so this time I kept quiet. But I feel all these should be corrected by the owner/ publisher whosever has right to do it.One gets bored while reading such wrongly printed books Hand made calculations should also be nearer to the real calculations. Regards Dr Sheetal On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote: Dear Members,I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned... " In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........ " but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is - " One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. " If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all. " According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce. I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions. Vishram Deshpande From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear TWgWe need to study this Everyone should give incidents that happened in their lives.In my horoscope, sa+ is the only planet in retr.On 13-12-99, my papa met with a paralytic stroke. Dasa was sa mo ju. In transit, both sa ju were R.19-8-88-- husband killed Dasa sa as sa sa R in transit and natalIts generally believed that planets in R will give results when they become direct.13-4-79, 26-6-81-- marriages Dasa ju mer sa. and ju ve ra.- ju R in transit both times. Shud important events be avoided when planets are R in transit.27-3-82 -accident ju R in 11th H in transit13-8-84 son born ju R in transitIn Theta, its believed that we punish ourselves.We decide our own challenges in life as penance. I wonder if this thinking applies to movable signs, and people who leave penance issues to God are born in fixed signs ? And the dual rasi born let their victims decide their punishment. RegardsSujataTW <tw853 Sent: Sun, 11 October, 2009 8:31:08 AM Re: Correction Dear Friends,1. The KP Reader VI new editions are the reprint of 1970 edition and nothing is changed.2. The issue is what mentioned on page 146 ... "In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise, when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point where from retrograde motion started".is whether consistent with the conditions mentioned on page 192--"If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." (first condition is: Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. )3. Depending on the nature of query, here in the case child birth, it is to consider whether "Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde". .. rule is tightened as it is not appropriate to predict that "the matter will materialise, when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point where from retrorade motion started"??.4. Another emerging view is that the retrograde doesn't matter in horary like in natal chart but its debatable and a sufficient evidence is still needed. For example, in Progeny and Romance edited by K Subramaniam, pages 212- 217, it was found that the retrogression of the 5th cuspal sub lord was not impediment to the child birth in the horary analysis. 5. One thing is also interesting that if retrogression is supposed not to work in natal or in both natal and horary, why a DBA lord in a retrograde star has not to work ??Thanks and regards,TW@gro ups.com, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Members,> > I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007> > In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned...> > "In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........" but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is -"One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce.> > I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions.> > Vishram Deshpande> > > > Try the new India Homepage. http://in.. com/trynew> Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Sheetal, The Proof-Reading is very poor,quite unfortunately,in many of the books published by Krishman & Co. That has been observed by me and borne patiently over many years now by many of us...and we now seem to have got used to it... With kind regards, Yogesh Lajmi.--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: Sheetal <ratnamalagRe: Correction Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 6:25 AM Hello I think there the date of birth in this perticular chart written is wrong or misprint. I should be 29th Jan 1928 and rest parameters given in following ref are same. But it will be difficult for new student to read this book. Anyways.. Dr Sheetal On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Sheetal <ratnamalag (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sir I think there are mistake at many places and may be in later editions but I didn't write in the forum to avoid unnacessory discussions. I have started reading all the 6 readers once more. In reader VI,edition VI, On pg no 83, under heading "constellation and sub" .., there is 2nd chart with birth chart details are-DOB 28/1/1921; 7.06PM; 13N04;80E15. I entered all details in my SW and nothing is matching. As SUN degree are ok (only difference of mts)means no misprint in data but other planet degrees are not matching. I wasted lot of my time and left it. I also wanted to tell for new students not to get confused but once I wrote in the forum about it and few people said the books are so old and hand made calculations of that time are there etc etc so this time I kept quiet. But I feel all these should be corrected by the owner/ publisher whosever has right to do it.One gets bored while reading such wrongly printed books Hand made calculations should also be nearer to the real calculations. Regards Dr Sheetal On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Members,I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned..."In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........" but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is -"One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce.I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions.Vishram Deshpande From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Friends, The DBAS lord is a planet and the cuspal sub lord is also a planet, and the rule is the same for any planet. So the rule may not be different for the DBAS lord and the cuspal sub lord. Regards, TW , Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande wrote: > > Dear Yogesh ji, > > Our KP system is considered to be an astrological system which has least confusing rules & even with the simple straight forward rules an astrologer can come to a correct prediction confidently. As mentioned on p 146, the rule is correct because it matches with the horary theory described elsewhere in KP readers or even other books. The rule mentioned on p 192 (part 1 of rule) doesn't seem to be correct because we all know that the CSL of the main house (for any query) can materialize the event even if it is in retrograde motion, only the thing is that it creates delays or obstacles, but according to this rule the event is straight way denied. > > As you say, one may call something as DBAS theory or CSL properties theory to the solving method, but we all must agree that whatever theory we use we must not get misguided by any rule & must not deviate from the correct prediction. > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > ________________________________ > Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi > > Cc: Vishram Deshpande <vishram_ deshpande > Sun, 11 October, 2009 10:05:37 AM > Re: Correction > > > Dear Vishram, > There is no dichotomy... I think...one reference possibly refers to the Dasa-Bhukti- Anthatara- Sookshma period running, whereas the other refers to the cuspal sub-lord's properties,( if you wish to call them so). > With best wishes, > Yogesh Lajmi > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote: > > > >Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> > > Correction > > " KP System Forum " <@gro ups.com> > >Saturday, October 10, 2009, 6:17 PM > > > > > > > >Dear Members, > > > >I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007 > > > >In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned... > > > > " In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........ " but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is - " One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not > > retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. " If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all. " According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce. > > > >I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions. > > > >Vishram Deshpande > > > >________________________________ > >From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! > > > > > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek http://in./trynew > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Sujata ji, 1. You're right, as said by Sandy Crowther, to note down what one has found in his study. 2. I've been following this issue in the East and West literature and looking at the practical examples, including supplied by Kanak Bosmia. My feeling is that there should be something since a lot has been written, and one thing is possible that a planet in retrogression is stronger by being closer to earth, strongest when in stationary position?? Thanks and regards, TW , sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote: > > Dear TWg > We need to study this Everyone should give incidents that happened in their lives. > In my horoscope, sa+ is the only planet in retr.On 13-12-99, my papa met with a paralytic stroke. Dasa was sa mo ju. In transit, both sa ju were R. > 19-8-88-- husband killed Dasa sa as sa sa R in transit and natal > Its generally believed that planets in R will give results when they become direct. > 13-4-79, 26-6-81-- marriages Dasa ju mer sa. and ju ve ra.- ju R in transit both times. Shud important events be avoided when planets are R in transit. > 27-3-82 -accident ju R in 11th H in transit > 13-8-84 son born ju R in transit > In Theta, its believed that we punish ourselves.We decide our own challenges in life as penance. I wonder if this thinking applies to movable signs, and people who leave penance issues to God are born in fixed signs ? And the dual rasi born let their victims decide their punishment. > Regards > Sujata > > > > > ________________________________ > TW <tw853 > > Sun, 11 October, 2009 8:31:08 AM > Re: Correction > > > Dear Friends, > 1. The KP Reader VI new editions are the reprint of 1970 edition and nothing is changed. > 2. The issue is what mentioned on page 146 ... > " In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise, when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point where from retrograde motion started " . > is whether consistent with the conditions mentioned on page 192-- > " If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all. " (first condition is: Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. ) > 3. Depending on the nature of query, here in the case child birth, it is to consider whether " Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde " . . rule is tightened as it is not appropriate to predict that " the matter will materialise, when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point where from retrorade motion started " ??. > 4. Another emerging view is that the retrograde doesn't matter in horary like in natal chart but its debatable and a sufficient evidence is still needed. For example, in Progeny and Romance edited by K Subramaniam, pages 212- 217, it was found that the retrogression of the 5th cuspal sub lord was not impediment to the child birth in the horary analysis. > 5. One thing is also interesting that if retrogression is supposed not to work in natal or in both natal and horary, why a DBA lord in a retrograde star has not to work ?? > Thanks and regards, > TW > > > @gro ups.com, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007 > > > > In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned... > > > > " In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........ " but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is - " One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is a note also. " If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all. " According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce. > > > > I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions. > > > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > > > Try the new India Homepage. http://in.. com/trynew > > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear friends What Sujataji elaborated certain events of anyone's life when the event happened at that time shani was retrograde. It is the only coincidence that there were presence of shani in DBAs. Everyone is requested to find out every event of everyone's life and find out what DBAs will play role in happening of events and at which rate of percentage? Suppose for marriage, when we say that Marriage will be celebrated in which antara? Education, Business/service, Santati, Injury, hospitalisation etc. can be checked. There will atleast 30 percent of the events where there is no presence of antaradasa but still event had been happened. Please try it and then we will come to the conclusion that in natal DBAs when the planets governing DBAs are retrograde in natal horoscope as well as in transit also and the event has been happened. With regards Vijayanand Patil, Astrovision,Kolhapur On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:03:53 +0530 wrote > Dear Sujata ji, 1. You're right, as said by Sandy Crowther, to note down what one has found in his study. 2. I've been following this issue in the East and West literature and looking at the practical examples, including supplied by Kanak Bosmia. My feeling is that there should be something since a lot has been written, and one thing is possible that a planet in retrogression is stronger by being closer to earth, strongest when in stationary position?? Thanks and regards, TW , sujata das wrote: > > Dear TWg > We need to study this Everyone should give incidents that happened in their lives. > In my horoscope, sa+ is the only planet in retr.On 13-12-99, my papa met with a paralytic stroke. Dasa was sa mo ju. In transit, both sa ju were R. > 19-8-88-- husband killed Dasa sa as sa sa R in transit and natal > Its generally believed that planets in R will give results when they become direct. > 13-4-79, 26-6-81-- marriages Dasa ju mer sa. and ju ve ra.- ju R in transit both times. Shud important events be avoided when planets are R in transit. > 27-3-82 -accident ju R in 11th H in transit > 13-8-84 son born ju R in transit > In Theta, its believed that we punish ourselves.We decide our own challenges in life as penance. I wonder if this thinking applies to movable signs, and people who leave penance issues to God are born in fixed signs ? And the dual rasi born let their victims decide their punishment. > Regards > Sujata > > > > > ________________________________ > TW > > Sun, 11 October, 2009 8:31:08 AM > Re: Correction > > > Dear Friends, > 1. The KP Reader VI new editions are the reprint of 1970 edition and nothing is changed. > 2. The issue is what mentioned on page 146 ... > "In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle delay the matter will materialise, when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point where from retrograde motion started". > is whether consistent with the conditions mentioned on page 192-- > "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." (first condition is: Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. ) > 3. Depending on the nature of query, here in the case child birth, it is to consider whether "Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde". . rule is tightened as it is not appropriate to predict that "the matter will materialise, when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point where from retrorade motion started"??. > 4. Another emerging view is that the retrograde doesn't matter in horary like in natal chart but its debatable and a sufficient evidence is still needed. For example, in Progeny and Romance edited by K Subramaniam, pages 212- 217, it was found that the retrogression of the 5th cuspal sub lord was not impediment to the child birth in the horary analysis. > 5. One thing is also interesting that if retrogression is supposed not to work in natal or in both natal and horary, why a DBA lord in a retrograde star has not to work ?? > Thanks and regards, > TW > > > @gro ups.com, Vishram Deshpande wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007 > > > > In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned... > > > > "In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle delay the matter will materialise ........" but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is -"One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " after the third rule there is a note also. "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce. > > > > I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions. > > > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > > > Try the new India Homepage. http://in.. com/trynew > > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview.mail./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Dear Sheetal ji, 1. It's true that there are inconsitencies and mistakes in the KP Readers, which are in the form of evolving research findings other than the text book. In a short-lived KP research group, even the word " muddy " was used but it should be grateful for getting a chance to read the KP books narrated by Shri Bhatt. 2. The Readers have been kept as they were, to be original for the readers to make own understanding on the basis of overall view other than sticking to some lines. 3. Without knowing what is the orginal intention or idea, the corrections can make more harm in the context of idea other than the original technical mistakes. Perhaps they have been therefore kept as untouchable originals. 4. Pl look at the Guru ji's birth chart written by Guru ji KSK himself in the KP Reader III. The Lagna position and Moon position are not reconcilable. In the article of the horoscope of Guru ji KSK, it is sticked to the given Lagna position and there is a change in the Moon position, and consequently the dasa sequence with compared to his original in the Reader III. There the main point is to take his original idea of analysis. Thanks and regards, TW , Sheetal <ratnamalag wrote: > > Dear Sir > > I think there are mistake at many places and may be in later editions but I > didn't write in the forum to avoid unnacessory discussions. I have started > reading all the 6 readers once more. In reader VI,edition VI, On pg no 83, > under heading " constellation and sub " .., there is 2nd chart with birth > chart details are-DOB 28/1/1921; 7.06PM; 13N04;80E15. I entered all details > in my SW and nothing is matching. As SUN degree are ok (only difference of > mts)means no misprint in data but other planet degrees are not matching. I > wasted lot of my time and left it. I also wanted to tell for new students > not to get confused but once I wrote in the forum about it and few people > said the books are so old and hand made calculations of that time are there > etc etc so this time I kept quiet. But I feel all these should be corrected > by the owner/ publisher whosever has right to do it.One gets bored while > reading such wrongly printed books Hand made calculations should also be > nearer to the real calculations. > > Regards > Dr Sheetal > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Vishram Deshpande < > vishram_deshpande wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007 > > > > In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned... > > > > " In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the > > constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after > > some obstacle & delay the matter will materialise ........ " but in the > > same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or > > not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to > > what is written on page 146. The rule is - " One will produce children if > > the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) > > Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " & after the third rule there is > > a note also. " If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one > > will not be able to produce a child at all. " According to rule on page > > 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring > > obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce. > > > > I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be > > edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something > > about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in > > later editions. > > > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > ------------------------------ > > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage!<http://in.rd./tagline_metro_4/*http://in./trynew> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Dear VijayMy dob is 5 5 55, at delhi at 9-37 pm. The 1st marriage happened in mer. bhukti and 2nd marriage on mer star day, and yet me does not signify 2 7 11. Wud u say it was me gave the results of ke in 7thHRegardsSujata VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand Cc: tw853; sujatadash1; guide_vijayanandSent: Sun, 11 October, 2009 6:33:13 PMRe: Re: Correction Dear friends What Sujataji elaborated certain events of anyone's life when the event happened at that time shani was retrograde. It is the only coincidence that there were presence of shani in DBAs. Everyone is requested to find out every event of everyone's life and find out what DBAs will play role in happening of events and at which rate of percentage? Suppose for marriage, when we say that Marriage will be celebrated in which antara? Education, Business/service, Santati, Injury, hospitalisation etc. can be checked. There will atleast 30 percent of the events where there is no presence of antaradasa but still event had been happened. Please try it and then we will come to the conclusion that in natal DBAs when the planets governing DBAs are retrograde in natal horoscope as well as in transit also and the event has been happened. With regards Vijayanand Patil, Astrovision, Kolhapur On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:03:53 +0530 wrote > Dear Sujata ji, 1. You're right, as said by Sandy Crowther, to note down what one has found in his study. 2. I've been following this issue in the East and West literature and looking at the practical examples, including supplied by Kanak Bosmia. My feeling is that there should be something since a lot has been written, and one thing is possible that a planet in retrogression is stronger by being closer to earth, strongest when in stationary position?? Thanks and regards, TW @gro ups.com, sujata das wrote: > > Dear TWg > We need to study this Everyone should give incidents that happened in their lives. > In my horoscope, sa+ is the only planet in retr.On 13-12-99, my papa met with a paralytic stroke. Dasa was sa mo ju. In transit, both sa ju were R. > 19-8-88-- husband killed Dasa sa as sa sa R in transit and natal > Its generally believed that planets in R will give results when they become direct. > 13-4-79, 26-6-81-- marriages Dasa ju mer sa. and ju ve ra.- ju R in transit both times. Shud important events be avoided when planets are R in transit. > 27-3-82 -accident ju R in 11th H in transit > 13-8-84 son born ju R in transit > In Theta, its believed that we punish ourselves.We decide our own challenges in life as penance. I wonder if this thinking applies to movable signs, and people who leave penance issues to God are born in fixed signs ? And the dual rasi born let their victims decide their punishment. > Regards > Sujata > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > TW > @gro ups.com > Sun, 11 October, 2009 8:31:08 AM > Re: Correction > > > Dear Friends, > 1. The KP Reader VI new editions are the reprint of 1970 edition and nothing is changed. > 2. The issue is what mentioned on page 146 ... > "In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle delay the matter will materialise, when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point where from retrograde motion started". > is whether consistent with the conditions mentioned on page 192-- > "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." (first condition is: Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. ) > 3. Depending on the nature of query, here in the case child birth, it is to consider whether "Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde". . rule is tightened as it is not appropriate to predict that "the matter will materialise, when it is in direct motion and passed beyond the point where from retrorade motion started"??. > 4. Another emerging view is that the retrograde doesn't matter in horary like in natal chart but its debatable and a sufficient evidence is still needed. For example, in Progeny and Romance edited by K Subramaniam, pages 212- 217, it was found that the retrogression of the 5th cuspal sub lord was not impediment to the child birth in the horary analysis. > 5. One thing is also interesting that if retrogression is supposed not to work in natal or in both natal and horary, why a DBA lord in a retrograde star has not to work ?? > Thanks and regards, > TW > > > @gro ups.com, Vishram Deshpande wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have a KP Reader No 6, Horary Astrology, 11 th edition June 2007 > > > > In the reader on page 146 it is mentioned... > > > > "In Horary horoscope, planets in retrograde motion, if deposited in the constellation of a planet which is in direct motion indicates that after some obstacle delay the matter will materialise ........" but in the same book on page 192, rule for checking whether one is promised children or not, there are three rules are given. Out of which first rule is contrary to what is written on page 146. The rule is -"One will produce children if the following three conditions are fulfilled simultaneously satisfied :- 1) Sub lord of 5th cusp is not retrograde. " after the third rule there is a note also. "If any one of these three conditions is not satisfied, one will not be able to produce a child at all." According to rule on page 146, if 5th CSL is in retrograde motion it can delay the marriage or bring obstacles, but can't indicate non ability to produce. > > > > I think surely there is some mistake in this edition which seems to be edited modified by some one else. I just don't have ability to say something about our respected Guruji's readers but there can be some mistakes in later editions. > > > > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > > > > Try the new India Homepage. http://in.. com/trynew > > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. http://in.overview. mail.. com/ > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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