Is there any K.P.rule regarding illegitimate baby

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Dears Punit & Rajiv,

A very interesting "poser"...

To my mind,a "bastard child",as society defines, is brought about by a woman getting pregnant "outside of wed-lock"... and is generally known as a "love-child"... Hence if the mother's s/l of the Vth cusp is has no connection whatsover with the VIIth(the legal husband)... a child's birth could be "outside wed-lock"...

Based on the above logic,if a child's correct TOB is known,one could possibly check whether his s/l of the IVth,signifies the XIIth or not...?

The above is my humble suggestion...members,and particularly Punit's,TW's,Rajiv's and other erudite K.P.-scholars' comments/critique/suggestions are looked forward to...

Yogesh Lajmi

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, rajiv bokariya <bokaariya wrote:

rajiv bokariya <bokaariyaRe: Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 7:52 PM

 

 

dear friendsI think this issue of legitmate baby has been discussed in forum before two three years ..can u check old message archives...in grouprajiv bokariyawww.bokaariya. com

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comSat, 10 October, 2009 12:21:50 PMRe: Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby

 

Dear Tw ji,

 

Such a comprehensive compilation. Thanks.

 

I checked the TOC of the book "How to Spot a Bastard by His Star Sign" and seems that this is not a book about illegitimate child that we are discussing here. It seems that the word 'basterd' is used just as a word of negative connotation in the book. I guess you meant that same when you had posted it.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:37 AM, TW <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Friends,1. It appears very strange for an Indian astrologer to ask whether the sloka for a bastard birth in the Brihat Jatak is only the nonsense thought of Varahamihira, who is highly praised as father of the Hindu astrology we are discussing.2. A bastard birth is not available in KP, and no KP astrologer has been found studied in this regard.3. The Brihat Jatak and Jataka Chadrika were memorized in young BV Raman's study of astrology. (My Experiences in Astroogy by BV Raman)4. The nature of a bastard birth is the same all the time but its tricky legality has been changed by time and country. The DNA test shows who is the biological father of the child out of many guys who claimed to be the father in the case of late Anna Nicole Smith's last child in US. Anther thing is that the guy is legally obliged to pay the monthly child alimony whether married or not, if the DNA test shows he is the biological father of the child. 5.

Prof. PS Sastri had shared his experience in support of the above mentioned sloka in the commentary of his translated Brihat Jatak that a Jupiter under heavy affliction could not prevent a bastard birth by giving an example birth chart of a boy born from a man other than the legitimate husband of mother. (Brihat Jatak translated by Sastri page 58)6. A planetary position for a bastard birth is not only the nonsense thought of Varahamihira but in the Saravali also the different planetary position for kchsetraja child birth to one's own wife from an outsider or to one's own husband from a different woman was given by Kalyana Varma, as also explained in the Text Book of Scientific Hindu Astrology by Prof. PS Sastri, pages 870-871. Another planetary position from classical text is given for birth of children outside wedlock in the Practical Vedic Astrology by GS Agarwal, page 174. In the following link, bastard is governed by Saturn.http://www.keralaas trology.com/ basics.htmSaturn: ----(38)exertion( 39)born of a very low mother (40)bastard7. There is a good selling book entitled:How to Spot a Bastard by His Star Sign : The Ultimate Horroscope by Adele Rajah Susi Lang et al - Paperback (St Martins Pr; Feb 1 2002) http://www.amazon. com/How-Spot- Bastard-Star- Sign/product- reviews/03122848 61/ref=cm_ rdp_hist_ hdr_cm_cr_ acr_txt?ie= UTF8 & showViewpoints= 18. It is said in the West that astrology had its ups and downs in the Christian era… but Ptolemy's bastard child wouldn't die so easily.http://www.rotten.

com/library/ occult/astrology /Regards,TW

@gro ups.com, Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ ...> wrote:>> This method is useful to fix the ASC of native before approaching to last resort of Nashta Jataka.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ...> > @gro ups.com> Cc: punitp

 

> Fri, 9 October, 2009 8:58:18 AM> Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby> > > Respected Punit Ji & Senior Members, Is there any K.P Rules regarding legitimacy of baby as great sage Vara Mihir has written in sloka 6 of chapter 5 in Brihad Jatakam.Does there any K.P Rule Apply regarding legitimacy in the Following Chart:-> (1) S.Gupta-DOB 13.06.1963,TOB- 5:33AM,Bulanshar ,U.P> (2) H.Prasad-DOB 28-9-1970,TOB- 01:10AM,Hyderaba d, Andhra Pradesh> (3)Murli-DOB- 9-2-1975, TOB-5:45PM, Chennai,Tamil Nadu> (4)Bijnauri Father-DOB-1- 6-1936 ,TOB-8:10AM, Bijnor,U. P> (5) R.Patel-DOB- 12-5-1957, TOB-4:25AM, Aden,Yemen> (6) Babu-DOB-6-9- 1960,TOB- 03:09AM,POB- Cochin,Kerla> (7)Sravanan Friend-DOB-31- 1-1974,TOB- 3:35AM,IPOH, Malasiya> (8) I..Kapoor-DOB27- 9-1982,TOB- 11:25PM,Belgrade ,Serbia> (9)Rijiv

-DOBDOB-29-4- 1963,TOB- 10AM,Barsi, Maharastra> (10) Sravanan Friend-DOB-26- 6-1973,TOB- 3:20AM,Muar, Malasiya> These are few examples in which I could not prove regarding legitimacy with K.P Rules.Please Senior members of forum guide me.With regards & thanks > Dhirendra Nath Misra> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> @gro ups.com> Fri, October 9, 2009 12:15:57 AM> Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate baby> > > Dear Misra ji,> > 1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic. > 2. This is not a place

to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention that what you have mentioned is incomplete verse. If you will read the complete verse you will find that Moon's affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka once again. > 3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our sages/ scholars, and choose your words wisely. Words like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable. > 4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see cuspal sub lord. As the verse talks about Ascendant and Moon's affliction, my educated guess is that we need to see - a) ascendant CSL signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in 6,8,12. This are just my guesses and we need to study more practical charts. Do we have such birth charts for study? Request members to post the same. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On

Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> wrote:> > > >Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there any K.P rule with regard to birth of a legitimate baby or Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by Varah Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other wise baby is illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude: 82E44,Latitude 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is this a matter of great significance with regard to prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great sage Varah Mihir only ? > >Dhirendra Nath Misra> > > >> > > > > > Add whatever you love to the

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Dear Friends,

 

50 to 100 yrs ago,it was a common practice for many/most rich

persons,including the Kshatriyas, Brahmin and Vyasya communities to have a wife

and alongside few concubines. Society never frowned on this practice as the

children born out of such relationships were taken care of in very way almost

like a family member. You could say it was accepted legally too.

 

Now we are witnessing resurgence of these practices in the cities

mostly,with the live-in relationships. Soon with women feeling emancipated, have

entered the job market,living away from parents' home, femininism has come to

stay. This decade or two, the sanctity of marriage will be redefined. The

concept of 5th cusp or 8th cusp replacing 7th cusp will be a new norm for

judging marriages.

 

It must be noted, every society has its own norms of living.

Hence judging marriage issues should be considered strictly w.r.t to society in

which those specific persons live. A general application will not be valid any

more.

 

Hence ,please do not go overboard in judgement.

 

 

Regards,

 

Satish

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 10/11/09, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

 

> Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi

> Re: Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding illegitimate

baby

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> Cc: " Punit Pandey " <punitp, " rajiv bokariya " <bokaariya

> Sunday, October 11, 2009, 11:35 AM

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>  Dears Punit &

> Rajiv,

>                             

> A very interesting " poser " ...

>                             

> To my mind,a " bastard child " ,as society

> defines, is brought about by a woman getting pregnant

> " outside of wed-lock " ... and is

> generally known as a " love-child " ... 

> Hence if the mother's s/l of the Vth cusp

> is has no connection whatsover

> with the VIIth(the legal husband)... a

> child's birth could be " outside

> wed-lock " ...

>                          

>    Based on the above logic,if a child's

> correct TOB is known,one could possibly check whether his

> s/l of the IVth,signifies the XIIth

> or not...?

>                            

> The above is my humble suggestion.. .members,

> and particularly Punit's,TW's, Rajiv's and other

> erudite K.P.-scholars'

> comments/critique/ suggestions are

> looked forward to...

>                             Yogesh

> Lajmi

>                            

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>                             

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>

> --- On Sat, 10/10/09, rajiv bokariya

> <bokaariya > wrote:

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> rajiv bokariya <bokaariya >

> Re: Re: Is there any K.P.rule

> regarding legitimate baby

> @gro ups.com

> Saturday, October 10, 2009, 7:52 PM

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>  

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>

>

> dear friends

> I think this issue of legitmate baby has been discussed in

> forum before two three years ..

> can u check old message archives...in group

> rajiv bokariya

> www.bokaariya.

> com

>

>

>

>

>

> Punit

> Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> To:

> @gro ups.com

> Sat, 10

> October, 2009 12:21:50 PM

> Re:

> Re: Is there any K.P.rule regarding legitimate

> baby

>

>  

>

>

> Dear Tw ji,

>  

> Such a comprehensive compilation. Thanks.

>  

> I checked the TOC of the book " How to Spot a

> Bastard by His Star Sign " and seems that this is not a

> book about illegitimate child that we are discussing

> here. It seems that the word 'basterd' is used

> just as a word of negative connotation in the book. I guess

> you meant that same when you had posted it.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:37 AM,

> TW <tw853 (AT) (DOT)

> com> wrote:

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear Friends,

> 1. It appears very strange for an Indian astrologer to ask

> whether the sloka for a bastard birth in the Brihat Jatak is

> only the nonsense thought of Varahamihira, who is highly

> praised as father of the Hindu astrology we are discussing.

> 2. A bastard birth is not available in KP, and no KP

> astrologer has been found studied in this regard.

> 3. The Brihat Jatak and Jataka Chadrika were memorized in

> young BV Raman's study of astrology. (My Experiences in

> Astroogy by BV Raman)

> 4. The nature of a bastard birth is the same all the time

> but its tricky legality has been changed by time and

> country. The DNA test shows who is the biological father of

> the child out of many guys who claimed to be the father in

> the case of late Anna Nicole Smith's last child in US.

> Anther thing is that the guy is legally obliged to pay the

> monthly child alimony whether married or not, if the DNA

> test shows he is the biological father of the child.

> 5.

> Prof. PS Sastri had shared his experience in support of

> the above mentioned sloka in the commentary of his

> translated Brihat Jatak that a Jupiter under heavy

> affliction could not prevent a bastard birth by giving an

> example birth chart of a boy born from a man other than the

> legitimate husband of mother. (Brihat Jatak translated by

> Sastri page 58)

> 6. A planetary position for a bastard birth is not only the

> nonsense thought of Varahamihira but in the Saravali also

> the different planetary position for kchsetraja child birth

> to one's own wife from an outsider or to one's own

> husband from a different woman was given by Kalyana Varma,

> as also explained in the Text Book of Scientific Hindu

> Astrology by Prof. PS Sastri, pages 870-871. Another

> planetary position from classical text is given for birth of

> children outside wedlock in the Practical Vedic Astrology by

> GS Agarwal, page 174. In the following link, bastard is

> governed by Saturn.

> http://www.keralaas

> trology.com/ basics.htm

> Saturn: ----(38)exertion( 39)born of a very low mother

> (40)bastard

> 7. There is a good selling book entitled:

> How to Spot a Bastard by His Star Sign : The Ultimate

> Horroscope

> by Adele Rajah Susi Lang et al - Paperback (St Martins Pr;

> Feb 1 2002)

> http://www.amazon.

> com/How-Spot- Bastard-Star- Sign/product- reviews/03122848

> 61/ref=cm_ rdp_hist_ hdr_cm_cr_ acr_txt?ie=

> UTF8 & showViewpoints= 1

> 8. It is said in the West that astrology had its ups and

> downs in the Christian era… but Ptolemy's bastard

> child wouldn't die so easily.

> http://www.rotten.

> com/library/ occult/astrology /

> Regards,

> TW

>

>

>

> @gro

> ups.com, Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ ...>

> wrote:

> >

> > This method is useful to fix the ASC of native before

> approaching to last resort of Nashta Jataka.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> <dhirendranathmisra@ ...>

>

> > @gro

> ups.com

> > Cc: punitp

>

>

>

> > Fri, 9 October, 2009 8:58:18 AM

> > Re: Is there any K.P.rule

> regarding legitimate baby

> >

> >  

> > Respected Punit Ji & Senior Members, Is there

> any K.P Rules regarding legitimacy of baby as great sage

> Vara Mihir has written in sloka 6 of chapter 5 in Brihad

> Jatakam.Does there any K.P Rule Apply regarding legitimacy

> in the Following Chart:-

> > (1) S.Gupta-DOB 13.06.1963,TOB- 5:33AM,Bulanshar ,U.P

> > (2) H.Prasad-DOB 28-9-1970,TOB- 01:10AM,Hyderaba d,

> Andhra Pradesh

> > (3)Murli-DOB- 9-2-1975, TOB-5:45PM, Chennai,Tamil

> Nadu

> > (4)Bijnauri Father-DOB-1- 6-1936 ,TOB-8:10AM,

> Bijnor,U. P

> > (5) R.Patel-DOB- 12-5-1957, TOB-4:25AM, Aden,Yemen

> > (6) Babu-DOB-6-9- 1960,TOB- 03:09AM,POB- Cochin,Kerla

> > (7)Sravanan Friend-DOB-31- 1-1974,TOB- 3:35AM,IPOH,

> Malasiya

> > (8) I..Kapoor-DOB27- 9-1982,TOB- 11:25PM,Belgrade

> ,Serbia

> > (9)Rijiv

> -DOBDOB-29-4- 1963,TOB- 10AM,Barsi, Maharastra

> > (10) Sravanan Friend-DOB-26- 6-1973,TOB- 3:20AM,Muar,

> Malasiya

> >

>                        

> These are few examples in which I could not prove regarding

> legitimacy with K.P Rules.Please Senior members of forum

> guide me.With regards & thanks 

> > Dhirendra Nath Misra

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > @gro ups.com

> > Fri, October 9, 2009 12:15:57 AM

> > Re: Is there any K.P.rule

> regarding legitimate baby

> >

> >  

> > Dear Misra ji,

> >

> > 1. Thanks for initiating interesting topic.

> > 2. This is not a place

> to discuss Varahamihira and his quote. Let us talk KP

> readers and KSK's quote. Though, I would like to mention

> that what you have mentioned is incomplete verse. If you

> will read the complete verse you will find that Moon's

> affliction is very important. Please check Brihat Jataka

> once again.

> > 3. Please be respectful to Varahamihira and all our

> sages/ scholars, and choose your words wisely. Words

> like 'nonsense thoughts' are not acceptable.

> > 4. KP is house based astrology, so we need to see

> cuspal sub lord. As the verse talks about Ascendant and

> Moon's affliction, my educated guess

> is that we need to see - a) ascendant CSL

> signifying 6,8,12 and Moon situated in 6,8,12. This are just

> my guesses and we need to study more practical charts. Do we

> have such birth charts for study? Request members to post

> the same.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On

> Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:49 PM, Dhirendra Nath Misra

> <dhirendranathmisra@ ymail.com> wrote:

> >

> >  

> > >Respected Senior Members of forum,Is there

> any K.P rule with regard to birth of a legitimate baby or

> Please comment upon sloka 6 of chapter 5 written by Varah

> Mihir regarding Birth of a child that Jupiter must aspect

> either Lagna or Moon in birth chart of a new born baby other

> wise baby is illegitimate baby. For example of Legitimate

> Baby:DOB 20.04.1959,TOB 08:15AM,Longitude: 82E44,Latitude

> 26N48-Jupiter is posited in 7th house and aspects Lagna.Is

> this a matter of great significance with regard to

> prediction also or Was this a nonsense thought of great

> sage Varah Mihir only ?  

> > >Dhirendra Nath Misra

> > > 

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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