RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME

March 27, 2002

Dear Xevier,

Welcome to the group.

Give the details of your chart, D.O.B, Time, time Zone, DST,

Place of birth, (Long, Latt.) and important events of the life. It

will easy to rectify your birth time.

krushna

, " sanchoxavier "

<sanchoxavier> wrote:

> Dear members of astrologyandtimigevents, it is a plesure to be a

new

> member of your group. I have been very interested in astrology for

> aprox. 6 years now. Being born in Spain and living always in Europe

> and America, I first discovered Western astrology. More recently I

> discovered this fascinating world of Vedic astrology and other

> related Vedic subjects. Before going deaper into properly studying

> astrology I thought it would be best to get a reading done. I have

> had several computerized analysis done in Western astrology ( first

> by Equinox, the astrology shop in London, next, after my amazment

of

> my first chart, by Liz Greens astro*inteligence and after a few

more

> by others). My last chart was my first interpretation of my hindu

> natal chart. I ordered it from James Brahas computerized analisis.

I

> was leaving the personal interpretation for my next step knowing

that

> computer analysis are just basically piece by piece of your chart,

> not the proper look at the WHOLE of it. What happened was that from

> my birth time (wich is from my birth certificate) only a ONE minute

> change would change my rising sign. So, in order for me to move on,

I

> think it would be best to first, get my birth time rectified. I

have

> been told of some profesional astrologers that specialise in

> rectification but I cannot afford it right now. I thought I might

try

> luck hear, even though I am concient that there are other people

> looking for help. Just in case, I have written a list of aprox. 12

> important events in my life and their date and some other important

> information that might help. I would be very thankful to hear from

> somebody who could help or indicate me whom to contact for my

> situation. I look forward to hearing from you, your new friend,

> Xavier.

October 15, 2009

Dear Sureshji

As your request your recorded time of birth 19-03-1955 time 16-31 at DARYAGANJ DELHI (Lat. 28.38.N, Long.77.15.E) when rectification first of all I am to convert Lat. from Geographical to Geocentric. As a formula when any lat. comes within 28 to 32 degrees then 10 minutes is to be deducted. So latitude of Darya Ganj converted into geocentric is 28.28.N.

I sat for rectification of birth time on 15-10-2009 AT 09-19-17 at Oros Sindhudurg the ruling planets are as follows

DETAILS LONG SUBLORD STARLORD SIGN LORD SUB SUBLORD

LAGNA VRISHIK 07-03-13BUDH SHANI MANGAL SHANI

CHANDRA SIMHA 18-00-03 MANGAL SHUKRA RAVI SHUKRA

DAY THURSDAY GURU

If we go through the natal long. Of lagna it is DHANU LAGNA

DETAILS LONG SUB LORD STAR LOERD SIGN LORD SUB SUBLORD

LAGNA SINHA 09-25-18 SHANI KETU RAVI SHANI

CHANDRA MAKAR 05-56-25 BUDH RAVI SHANI CHANDRA

DAY SATURDAY SHANI

Natal Ascendent lord, star lord and sub lord are RAVI , KETU, SHANI Today is THURSDAY AND PURVAFALGUNI NAKSHATRA. . In strengthwise planets in ruling planets are BUDH, SHANI, RAVI, MANGAL, SHUKRA, RAVI respectively. Ravi is the sub lord of the lagna and it comes as the natal ascendant Lord because rising ascendant is Simha. At the time of birth rising Star is Magha Nakshatra lord of which is Ketu. But ketu is not in ruling planets. When Rising Lagna Star is to be taken into consideration we have to consider that when rising lagna star ends. In this case it ends by 16-48 pm. After Ketu, Shukra will come as Rising Lagna Star. And in Ruling Planets Chandra is transiting in the Star of Chandra means it is powerful in strength. But Strongest of all Planets is Budh 2nd strongest planet is Shani. Here shani has come as the ascendant sub lord at the time of birth. so it will come again as the Lagna Sub lord. It runs for 16-30-36 to 10-40-17. Now we have to choose sub sub. After Shani Mangal is powerful in strength and it comes as sub sublord. That runs from 16-37-00 to 16-37-32 means difference in between them is 32 seconds. If we divide by 2 it comes 16 and hence 16 is to be added to 16-37-00 + 00 â€“ 00 â€“ 16

= 16-37-16 is the correct time of birth

When we prepare horoscope with rectified time of birth we should go to DBAS for confirmation. As rectification of birth time will be done with thehelp of ruling planets and that ruling planets will have its impact on natal DBAS.

Now he is running Shani Dasa Upto 06-01-1927. In Shani Dasa, now Shani Bhukti is running for the period 06-01-2008 to 09-01-2011. In ruling Planets Shani comes as the Ascendant star lord. So it confirms.

Chandra Antra is from 29-09-2009 to 30-12-2009. and in Chandra Antra, Rahu sukshma is for 12-10-2009 to 25-10-2009. Rahu is in the sign of Shani i.e. the ruling planet.

Friends, in Files section I have uploaded the total procedure with print screen snaps why and how I have come to the correct time of birth.

Here I am to tell all friends who are chasing behind accuracy of softwares, it is your ruling planets as well as the ruling planets of the person who comes to you as the Jataka that what you prepare the horoscope is prepared in proper way or it has been mistakenly typegrophically mistakes in input and output varies. Especially I wish to tell all my friends, as we are all net friends and net lovers, every moment we have been attacked by number of viruses from net. If there is virus attack on your pc, all exe files will be somewhat disturbed and in that case what we prepare any horoscope there is no guarantee of accurateness of the Data. But still, we reach tothe 80% of the success.

Every software has its own merits and basis of computation of calcluation. Every astrologer has not having the opportunity to use online computerised software programmed output for horary as well as natal horoscopes. But what the software they have will be useful for their predictions. So, if we only chase behind the accuracy in sub sub sub levels, it does not guarantee of the success in predictions.

Again, for so many times, myself as well as so many eminent members of this group as well as outside, importance of conversion of geographic/topographical latitude of the birth place sholuld be converted into geocentric latitude has not been taken into consideration by many of the astrologers. Here, I wish to point out that when the computers are not the general thing, then Mr. A.R.Raichur had developed software for KP and he was the amongst the only persons who had the opportunity to be in contact with Late KSK and his esteemed stalwart friends as the KP followers. If there is any wrong, then Mr. A.R.Raichur would not have add the special feature of geocentric conversion lat.in his software. In south, max. kp original astrologers are using A.R. Raichur's software and they are at the peak in predictions. No doubt, new coming softwares are of very essence value, but when we compare the things into the software and our tending that onlysuch a software is the superior is, as per my personal opinion, totaly wrong. Since 1997 I am using computer softwares for preparation of horoscopes. I have used so many different softwares and then I came to conclusion that only

YOUR TIME AND THE TIME OF JATAKA WILL DECIDE THE THINGS PREDICTED WILL COME TRUE OR NOT. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT

I WISH YOU ALL HAPPY DIPAVALI.

It is my personal opinion. It is not having any connection of prejudice towards anyone. Only THE FACT should consider by every and all, this is my saying.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The SCientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra, India

Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

write me to : guide_vijayanand

visit : physics

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October 15, 2009

Dear Patil ji,

I agree with Adith ji. Adith ji has said what I also wanted to say. Without

paragraph breaks, your posts are very hard to read. Proper formatting and the

text in small paragraphs are very important to make the text readable.

Thanks & Regards,

Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <

gkadithkasinath wrote:

>

> Dear Patel ji

> My humble request or suggestion to you:

>

> I know you are very fast in typing (100wpm once you said). But

> the presentation of your messages do not attract the members as it is like a

> big article without proper spacing and highlight etc., hence your messages

> are looking big in size like articles . becasue of which your valuable

> analysis and message may not be given attention to many of the members, I

> hope so..(including me).!

>

> When I look at your messages, I dont have the feel to go through as it is

> full of texts in big paras. May be this is could be one of the reasons for

> less responses to your messages sometimes.

>

> I hope if you could do some more time in the presentation, it will have

> more attention to the memebrs and they will be benefited.

>

> Respected sir, this is my humble suggestion which I have been thinking for

> long. This is to make your message to reach all.

>

> pls excuse me if I am wrong.

>

> With Regards

> Adith

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:56 AM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <

> guide_vijayanand wrote:

>

>>

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>>

>> Dear Sureshji

>> As your request your recorded time of birth 19-03-1955 time 16-31 at

>> DARYAGANJ DELHI (Lat. 28.38.N, Long.77.15.E) when rectification first of all

>> I am to convert Lat. from Geographical to Geocentric. As a formula when any

>> lat. comes within 28 to 32 degrees then 10 minutes is to be deducted. So

>> latitude of Darya Ganj converted into geocentric is 28.28.N.

>> I sat for rectification of birth time on 15-10-2009 AT 09-19-17 at Oros

>> Sindhudurg the ruling planets are as follows

>> DETAILS LONG SUBLORD STARLORD SIGN LORD SUB SUBLORD

>> LAGNA VRISHIK 07-03-13BUDH SHANI MANGAL SHANI

>> CHANDRA SIMHA 18-00-03 MANGAL SHUKRA RAVI SHUKRA

>> DAY THURSDAY GURU

>> If we go through the natal long. Of lagna it is DHANU LAGNA

>> DETAILS LONG SUB LORD STAR LOERD SIGN LORD SUB SUBLORD

>> LAGNA SINHA 09-25-18 SHANI KETU RAVI SHANI

>> CHANDRA MAKAR 05-56-25 BUDH RAVI SHANI CHANDRA

>> DAY SATURDAY SHANI

>> Natal Ascendent lord, star lord and sub lord are RAVI , KETU, SHANI Today

>> is THURSDAY AND PURVAFALGUNI NAKSHATRA. . In strengthwise planets in ruling

>> planets are BUDH, SHANI, RAVI, MANGAL, SHUKRA, RAVI respectively. Ravi is

>> the sub lord of the lagna and it comes as the natal ascendant Lord because

>> rising ascendant is Simha. At the time of birth rising Star is Magha

>> Nakshatra lord of which is Ketu. But ketu is not in ruling planets. When

>> Rising Lagna Star is to be taken into consideration we have to consider that

>> when rising lagna star ends. In this case it ends by 16-48 pm. After Ketu,

>> Shukra will come as Rising Lagna Star. And in Ruling Planets Chandra is

>> transiting in the Star of Chandra means it is powerful in strength. But

>> Strongest of all Planets is Budh 2nd strongest planet is Shani. Here shani

>> has come as the ascendant sub lord at the time of birth. so it will come

>> again as the Lagna Sub lord. It runs for 16-30-36 to 10-40-17. Now we have

>> to choose sub sub. After Shani Mangal is powerful in strength and it comes

>> as sub sublord. That runs from 16-37-00 to 16-37-32 means difference in

>> between them is 32 seconds. If we divide by 2 it comes 16 and hence 16 is to

>> be added to 16-37-00 + 00 – 00 – 16

>> = 16-37-16 is the correct time of birth

>>

>> When we prepare horoscope with rectified time of birth we should go to

>> DBAS for confirmation. As rectification of birth time will be done with

>> thehelp of ruling planets and that ruling planets will have its impact on

>> natal DBAS.

>> Now he is running Shani Dasa Upto 06-01-1927. In Shani Dasa, now Shani

>> Bhukti is running for the period 06-01-2008 to 09-01-2011. In ruling Planets

>> Shani comes as the Ascendant star lord. So it confirms.

>> Chandra Antra is from 29-09-2009 to 30-12-2009. and in Chandra Antra, Rahu

>> sukshma is for 12-10-2009 to 25-10-2009. Rahu is in the sign of Shani i.e.

>> the ruling planet.

>> Friends, in Files section I have uploaded the total procedure with print

>> screen snaps why and how I have come to the correct time of birth.

>> Here I am to tell all friends who are chasing behind accuracy of

>> softwares, it is your ruling planets as well as the ruling planets of the

>> person who comes to you as the Jataka that what you prepare the horoscope is

>> prepared in proper way or it has been mistakenly typegrophically mistakes in

>> input and output varies. Especially I wish to tell all my friends, as we are

>> all net friends and net lovers, every moment we have been attacked by number

>> of viruses from net. If there is virus attack on your pc, all exe files will

>> be somewhat disturbed and in that case what we prepare any horoscope there

>> is no guarantee of accurateness of the Data. But still, we reach tothe 80%

>> of the success.

>> Every software has its own merits and basis of computation of calcluation.

>> Every astrologer has not having the opportunity to use online computerised

>> software programmed output for horary as well as natal horoscopes. But what

>> the software they have will be useful for their predictions. So, if we only

>> chase behind the accuracy in sub sub sub levels, it does not guarantee of

>> the success in predictions.

>> Again, for so many times, myself as well as so many eminent members of

>> this group as well as outside, importance of conversion of

>> geographic/topographical latitude of the birth place sholuld be converted

>> into geocentric latitude has not been taken into consideration by many of

>> the astrologers. Here, I wish to point out that when the computers are not

>> the general thing, then Mr. A.R.Raichur had developed software for KP and he

>> was the amongst the only persons who had the opportunity to be in contact

>> with Late KSK and his esteemed stalwart friends as the KP followers. If

>> there is any wrong, then Mr. A.R.Raichur would not have add the special

>> feature of geocentric conversion lat.in his software. In south, max. kp

>> original astrologers are using A.R. Raichur's software and they are at the

>> peak in predictions. No doubt, new coming softwares are of very essence

>> value, but when we compare the things into the software and our tending that

>> onlysuch a software is the superior is, as per my personal opinion, totaly

>> wrong. Since 1997 I am using computer softwares for preparation of

>> horoscopes. I have used so many different softwares and then I came to

>> conclusion that only

>> YOUR TIME AND THE TIME OF JATAKA WILL DECIDE THE THINGS PREDICTED WILL

>> COME TRUE OR NOT. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT

>> I WISH YOU ALL HAPPY DIPAVALI.

>> It is my personal opinion. It is not having any connection of prejudice

>> towards anyone. Only THE FACT should consider by every and all, this is my

>> saying.

>> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The SCientific Society for

>> Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra, India

>> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

>> write me to : guide_vijayanand

>> visit : physics

>>

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October 16, 2009

Dear Punit,

I totally concur with Adith and your observation. Many decades ago ,in '67/68

I joined a class in Journalism conducted by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan,Mumbai. My teacher

the is the famous MV Kamath,then a Senior Editor with Times Of India.One out of the

many good things he taught us, was writing in clear English with good presentation styles.

He used to grill it into our heads, no para should be more than 4/5 lines. The white space in

the page has to adequate, to enable proper reader comfort.Brevity in language,is also

a must.

Sometimes we get carried away by emotion and a desire to express a lot,which affects the presentation.

Regards,

Satish

--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 6:44 PM

Dear Patil ji,I agree with Adith ji. Adith ji has said what I also wanted to say. Without paragraph breaks, your posts are very hard to read. Proper formatting and the text in small paragraphs are very important to make the text readable.Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM, adith kasinath.g.k <gkadithkasinath wrote:>>> Dear Patel ji> My humble request or suggestion to you:>> I know you are very fast in typing (100wpm once you said). But> the presentation of your messages do not attract the members as it is like a> big article without proper spacing and highlight etc., hence your messages> are looking big in size like articles . becasue of which your

valuable> analysis and message may not be given attention to many of the members, I> hope so..(including me).!>> When I look at your messages, I dont have the feel to go through as it is> full of texts in big paras. May be this is could be one of the reasons for> less responses to your messages sometimes.>> I hope if you could do some more time in the presentation, it will have> more attention to the memebrs and they will be benefited.>> Respected sir, this is my humble suggestion which I have been thinking for> long. This is to make your message to reach all.>> pls excuse me if I am wrong.>> With Regards> Adith> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:56 AM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <> guide_vijayanand wrote:>>> [Attachment(s)<http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2 & view=js & name=js & ver=W4l_wni_zd8.en. & am=!iBuYvrfV6ffpRdngwfw2QogNhlaN5rViur5-XTSD#124570a7d41d4f86_TopText>from VIJAYANAND PATIL included below]>>>> Dear Sureshji>> As your request your recorded time of birth 19-03-1955 time 16-31 at>> DARYAGANJ DELHI (Lat. 28.38.N, Long.77.15.E) when rectification first of all>> I am to convert Lat. from Geographical to Geocentric. As a formula when any>> lat. comes within 28 to 32 degrees then 10 minutes is to be deducted. So>> latitude of Darya Ganj converted

into geocentric is 28.28.N.>> I sat for rectification of birth time on 15-10-2009 AT 09-19-17 at Oros>> Sindhudurg the ruling planets are as follows>> DETAILS LONG SUBLORD STARLORD SIGN LORD SUB SUBLORD>> LAGNA VRISHIK 07-03-13BUDH SHANI MANGAL SHANI>> CHANDRA SIMHA 18-00-03 MANGAL SHUKRA RAVI SHUKRA>> DAY THURSDAY GURU>> If we go through the natal long. Of lagna it is DHANU LAGNA>> DETAILS LONG SUB LORD STAR LOERD SIGN LORD SUB SUBLORD>> LAGNA SINHA 09-25-18 SHANI KETU RAVI SHANI>> CHANDRA MAKAR 05-56-25 BUDH RAVI SHANI CHANDRA>> DAY SATURDAY SHANI>> Natal Ascendent lord, star lord and sub lord are RAVI , KETU, SHANI Today>> is THURSDAY AND PURVAFALGUNI NAKSHATRA. . In strengthwise planets in ruling>> planets are BUDH, SHANI, RAVI, MANGAL, SHUKRA, RAVI respectively. Ravi is>> the sub lord of the lagna and

it comes as the natal ascendant Lord because>> rising ascendant is Simha. At the time of birth rising Star is Magha>> Nakshatra lord of which is Ketu. But ketu is not in ruling planets. When>> Rising Lagna Star is to be taken into consideration we have to consider that>> when rising lagna star ends. In this case it ends by 16-48 pm. After Ketu,>> Shukra will come as Rising Lagna Star. And in Ruling Planets Chandra is>> transiting in the Star of Chandra means it is powerful in strength. But>> Strongest of all Planets is Budh 2nd strongest planet is Shani. Here shani>> has come as the ascendant sub lord at the time of birth. so it will come>> again as the Lagna Sub lord. It runs for 16-30-36 to 10-40-17. Now we have>> to choose sub sub. After Shani Mangal is powerful in strength and it comes>> as sub sublord. That runs from 16-37-00 to 16-37-32

means difference in>> between them is 32 seconds. If we divide by 2 it comes 16 and hence 16 is to>> be added to 16-37-00 + 00 â€“ 00 â€“ 16>> = 16-37-16 is the correct time of birth>>>> When we prepare horoscope with rectified time of birth we should go to>> DBAS for confirmation. As rectification of birth time will be done with>> thehelp of ruling planets and that ruling planets will have its impact on>> natal DBAS.>> Now he is running Shani Dasa Upto 06-01-1927. In Shani Dasa, now Shani>> Bhukti is running for the period 06-01-2008 to 09-01-2011. In ruling Planets>> Shani comes as the Ascendant star lord. So it confirms.>> Chandra Antra is from 29-09-2009 to 30-12-2009. and in Chandra Antra, Rahu>> sukshma is for 12-10-2009 to 25-10-2009. Rahu is in the sign of Shani i.e.>> the ruling planet.>> Friends,

in Files section I have uploaded the total procedure with print>> screen snaps why and how I have come to the correct time of birth.>> Here I am to tell all friends who are chasing behind accuracy of>> softwares, it is your ruling planets as well as the ruling planets of the>> person who comes to you as the Jataka that what you prepare the horoscope is>> prepared in proper way or it has been mistakenly typegrophically mistakes in>> input and output varies. Especially I wish to tell all my friends, as we are>> all net friends and net lovers, every moment we have been attacked by number>> of viruses from net. If there is virus attack on your pc, all exe files will>> be somewhat disturbed and in that case what we prepare any horoscope there>> is no guarantee of accurateness of the Data. But still, we reach tothe 80%>> of the success.>>

Every software has its own merits and basis of computation of calcluation.>> Every astrologer has not having the opportunity to use online computerised>> software programmed output for horary as well as natal horoscopes. But what>> the software they have will be useful for their predictions. So, if we only>> chase behind the accuracy in sub sub sub levels, it does not guarantee of>> the success in predictions.>> Again, for so many times, myself as well as so many eminent members of>> this group as well as outside, importance of conversion of>> geographic/topographical latitude of the birth place sholuld be converted>> into geocentric latitude has not been taken into consideration by many of>> the astrologers. Here, I wish to point out that when the computers are not>> the general thing, then Mr. A.R.Raichur had developed software for KP and

he>> was the amongst the only persons who had the opportunity to be in contact>> with Late KSK and his esteemed stalwart friends as the KP followers. If>> there is any wrong, then Mr. A.R.Raichur would not have add the special>> feature of geocentric conversion lat.in his software. In south, max. kp>> original astrologers are using A.R. Raichur's software and they are at the>> peak in predictions. No doubt, new coming softwares are of very essence>> value, but when we compare the things into the software and our tending that>> onlysuch a software is the superior is, as per my personal opinion, totaly>> wrong. Since 1997 I am using computer softwares for preparation of>> horoscopes. I have used so many different softwares and then I came to>> conclusion that only>> YOUR TIME AND THE TIME OF JATAKA WILL DECIDE THE THINGS PREDICTED

WILL>> COME TRUE OR NOT. NOTHING MORE THAN THAT>> I WISH YOU ALL HAPPY DIPAVALI.>> It is my personal opinion. It is not having any connection of prejudice>> towards anyone. Only THE FACT should consider by every and all, this is my>> saying.>> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The SCientific Society for>> Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra, India>> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303>> write me to : guide_vijayanand> visit : physics>>>>> <http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline.htm@Middle?>>>>> >---<*> KP Learning Resources: http://logy.astrosage.com/

October 21, 2009

Dear TW,

from your post below, i think i understood that you are against the method of Birthtime rectification, although BTR is clearly mentioned in KP readers.

If this is what you have meant, then I agree with you fully.

see we have to accept that Birth time rectification is completely against the phylosophy of KP Astrology. This might surprise a few, but I can explain.

Now what is Kp Prediction primarily based on? according to KP, just with the rulling planets and their significations at the time of a query, we can arrive at certain predictions about the client. we know very well that the planetary position at the time of query will definitely be different than the planetary position in the Birth Chart of the native. Yet KP believes that this new planetary position is capable of giving us the correct answer if we are able to interpret them exactly as per the rules laid down. Now, how is this possible? This is precisely the basic phylosophy of KP. There are invisible energies and entities in this universe that guides us. this guidance may be by way of intuition also. but when we use KP, we dont depend on intuition much. so then how is the cosmic universe going to guide us. There is only one way. that is, make us draw a chart exactly at a particular moment and make sure that this chart has the specific configuration

of planets that can reveal the truth. Doesnt it make sense? Ofcourse it does for me.

Now if this is so, then why should we even attempt a BRT. when we try to rectify the Birth chart, we are showing our lack of belief and trust in the ability of this cosmic energy to guide us correctly. we should leave certain things to God Almighty. If the Birthtime is wrong because it was recorded wrongly by the nurse, and the mistake is in a few minutes, then i believe, it was so destined by the God Almighty to be so recorded. there must be a purpose for it to be so recorded. Probably, to hide certain things or to reveal certain things which may not be revealed if we go ahead and change the time in the name of birth time rectification.

The above is my humble opinion on the subject if BRT. I feel many will not agree.

santhosh

TW <tw853 Sent: Wed, 21 October, 2009 8:37:54 AM Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

Dear Friends,1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord & simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon sublord http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 12. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation, as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of

astrology.Regards,TW @gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and

they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions. > It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down

the pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that. > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Lajmi ji,> Â > Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students. > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:> > Â > >

> [Attachment( s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below] > > > > > > > Dear Punit,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively. ..Â Â Â Â > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...>

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With kind regards,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi>

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October 21, 2009

Mr Santosh,

What is the philosophy of KP is totally understood by every KP astrologer, so it is not necessary to recall them.

As per your opinion, we should not depend on omens, ruling planets. No doubt, once and for all, we will agree with you. But what you consider is that science, will there any reliable method that proves everytime the same significations of planets will offer same results or the results received in certain DBAS will again repeat in future.

My dear friends, it is the only almighty who guided us to learn KP ASTROLOGY AND THATSWHY WE ARE FOLLOWING IT. and if we omit to take help the super natural power i.e. ruling planets, will anyone give only 5 examples for a particular person predicted upto day, lagna, minute, second. Means why that event is happened on that day, why that happened in that lagna and why that happened in that star of lagna, sub of lagna and sub sub of lagna and sub sub sub etc.

If anyone gives the above type details then KP astrology will need to be recaste and name of KRISHNAMURTIJI is to be replaced by the so called EMINENT ASTROLOGER and new system can be started.

When we commit to adopt every principle of KP astrology, then there will be no excuses for anything. Rectificationof Birth time can be done only by a few astrologer who believes ALMIGHTY. Though it is the science, no body will answer why this is happening. If any astrologer is not ina position to take ruling planets for rectification of birth time and blaming the method is wrong. This should not be the case, especially in KP ASTROLOGY. '

I feel all will agree with me. Definately there maybe difference of opinions regarding the rectificaton of birth of time or rectified time of birth etc. but this will not cause blamed KP astrology as such.

KSK in his primary lessons says that now the days have gone to tell the jataka that his/her marriage would happen in a year. Nowadays everyone wants the prediction upto moment time. and KSK and his followers have given somany predictions upto moment time and stunned the astrologicall field. This is so, still if we consider that philosophys of KRishnamurti Padhati needs to be changed and new philosophy is necessary to adopt that only strong significations of planets.

In the past, KSK himself and his followers were answering the predictions on ruling planets and they used to come true upto second moment correct. Now can we say that they were wrong. and we are correct?

Most of the KP astrologers have not gone through the teachings of KP and following new ideas with whims and fancies to their personal satisfaction and also try to change originality of KP which is considered as the milestone in Predictive Stellar Astrology.

Here, I the representative of everyone, put before you that without taking help of ruling planets, planets qualities and entire setup of vedic astrology, try to predict the things that suppose to happen in a day or two. Like who will become the chief minister and the minister. Which minister will be allot which port folio, Now cricket matches 20-20 are being playing. Why not to predict for particular match for particular team and also for particular player regarding batting as well as bowling etc. and it should be predicted well in advance in general and then wait for the results. In average, 50 to 60% of the predictions will come true. What is about 40% predictions that fails. If KP is the science, then the results sholuld be similar without any difference.

Is this possible. No, it is not possible.

What we do now, we will put certain doubts before others and we get confused and also to confuse others.

This tactis is very dangerous to the newcomers of KP astrology and I fear that by following this type of whims and fancies, kp astrology will go to a wrong path and also will beblamed.

As a true follower of KP, we, all must follow all the rules in its strictness and get KP to prosperity in qualititative as well as quantitative manner.

If, by unknowingly, anyone is hurted, I am really sorry. But my intention is onlythat KP SHOULD LONG LIVE.

With regards

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur, Maharashtra

Cell No. +91 9422582853/ +91 9673746303

write me to : guide_vijayanand

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:42:38 +0530 wrote

>

Dear TW,

from your post below, i think i understood that you are against the method of Birthtime rectification, although BTR is clearly mentioned in KP readers.

If this is what you have meant, then I agree with you fully.

see we have to accept that Birth time rectification is completely against the phylosophy of KP Astrology. This might surprise a few, but I can explain.

Now what is Kp Prediction primarily based on? according to KP, just with the rulling planets and their significations at the time of a query, we can arrive at certain predictions about the client. we know very well that the planetary position at the time of query will definitely be different than the planetary position in the Birth Chart of the native. Yet KP believes that this new planetary position is capable of giving us the correct answer if we are able to interpret them exactly as per the rules laid down. Now, how is this possible? This is precisely the basic phylosophy of KP. There are invisible energies and entities in this universe that guides us. this guidance may be by way of intuition also. but when we use KP, we dont depend on intuition much. so then how is the cosmic universe going to guide us. There is only one way. that is, make us draw a chart exactly at a particular moment and make sure that this chart has the specific configuration

of planets that can reveal the truth. Doesnt it make sense? Ofcourse it does for me.

Now if this is so, then why should we even attempt a BRT. when we try to rectify the Birth chart, we are showing our lack of belief and trust in the ability of this cosmic energy to guide us correctly. we should leave certain things to God Almighty. If the Birthtime is wrong because it was recorded wrongly by the nurse, and the mistake is in a few minutes, then i believe, it was so destined by the God Almighty to be so recorded. there must be a purpose for it to be so recorded. Probably, to hide certain things or to reveal certain things which may not be revealed if we go ahead and change the time in the name of birth time rectification.

The above is my humble opinion on the subject if BRT. I feel many will not agree.

santhosh

>

TW

>

>Wed, 21 October, 2009 8:37:54 AM

> Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

>

Dear Friends,

>

>1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.

>1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord

>http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=

>2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon sublord

>http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 1

>

>2. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation, as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of

astrology.

>

>Regards,

>TW

>

>@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:

>>

>> Dear Sir,

>> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and

they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions.

>> It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.

>> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down

the pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that.

>> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra

>> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

>> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...

>>

>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote

>> >

>>

>> Dear Lajmi ji,

>> Ã‚

>> Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students.

>> Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:

>>

>> Ã‚

>>

>> [Attachment( s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below]

>>

>> Dear Punit,

>> Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚ Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...

>> Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚ I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively. ..Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚

>> Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚ In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...

>>

Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚ With kind regards,

>> Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚Ã‚ Yogesh Lajmi

>>

>

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October 21, 2009

Dear Friends,

Theoretical discussions have limited value. There is no way we can verify Horary, RP, Birth Time Rectification etc. other than by practical application.

I generally do not prefer rectification done every time without event verification as done by Lajmi ji. Though by demonstrating the correct prediction, he added weight to his method of rectification. It should be the way rather than merely discussion on theory.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:47 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand wrote:

Mr Santosh, What is the philosophy of KP is totally understood by every KP astrologer, so it is not necessary to recall them. As per your opinion, we should not depend on omens, ruling planets. No doubt, once and for all, we will agree with you. But what you consider is that science, will there any reliable method that proves everytime the same significations of planets will offer same results or the results received in certain DBAS will again repeat in future.

My dear friends, it is the only almighty who guided us to learn KP ASTROLOGY AND THATSWHY WE ARE FOLLOWING IT. and if we omit to take help the super natural power i.e. ruling planets, will anyone give only 5 examples for a particular person predicted upto day, lagna, minute, second. Means why that event is happened on that day, why that happened in that lagna and why that happened in that star of lagna, sub of lagna and sub sub of lagna and sub sub sub etc.

If anyone gives the above type details then KP astrology will need to be recaste and name of KRISHNAMURTIJI is to be replaced by the so called EMINENT ASTROLOGER and new system can be started.When we commit to adopt every principle of KP astrology, then there will be no excuses for anything. Rectificationof Birth time can be done only by a few astrologer who believes ALMIGHTY. Though it is the science, no body will answer why this is happening. If any astrologer is not ina position to take ruling planets for rectification of birth time and blaming the method is wrong. This should not be the case, especially in KP ASTROLOGY. '

I feel all will agree with me. Definately there maybe difference of opinions regarding the rectificaton of birth of time or rectified time of birth etc. but this will not cause blamed KP astrology as such.KSK in his primary lessons says that now the days have gone to tell the jataka that his/her marriage would happen in a year. Nowadays everyone wants the prediction upto moment time. and KSK and his followers have given somany predictions upto moment time and stunned the astrologicall field. This is so, still if we consider that philosophys of KRishnamurti Padhati needs to be changed and new philosophy is necessary to adopt that only strong significations of planets.

In the past, KSK himself and his followers were answering the predictions on ruling planets and they used to come true upto second moment correct. Now can we say that they were wrong. and we are correct?Most of the KP astrologers have not gone through the teachings of KP and following new ideas with whims and fancies to their personal satisfaction and also try to change originality of KP which is considered as the milestone in Predictive Stellar Astrology.

Here, I the representative of everyone, put before you that without taking help of ruling planets, planets qualities and entire setup of vedic astrology, try to predict the things that suppose to happen in a day or two. Like who will become the chief minister and the minister. Which minister will be allot which port folio, Now cricket matches 20-20 are being playing. Why not to predict for particular match for particular team and also for particular player regarding batting as well as bowling etc. and it should be predicted well in advance in general and then wait for the results. In average, 50 to 60% of the predictions will come true. What is about 40% predictions that fails. If KP is the science, then the results sholuld be similar without any difference.

Is this possible. No, it is not possible. What we do now, we will put certain doubts before others and we get confused and also to confuse others.This tactis is very dangerous to the newcomers of KP astrology and I fear that by following this type of whims and fancies, kp astrology will go to a wrong path and also will beblamed.

As a true follower of KP, we, all must follow all the rules in its strictness and get KP to prosperity in qualititative as well as quantitative manner.If, by unknowingly, anyone is hurted, I am really sorry. But my intention is onlythat KP SHOULD LONG LIVE.

With regardsVijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur, MaharashtraCell No. +91 9422582853/ +91 9673746303write me to : guide_vijayanand

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:42:38 +0530 wrote>Dear TW,from your post below, i think i understood that you are against the method of Birthtime rectification, although BTR is clearly mentioned in KP readers.

If this is what you have meant, then I agree with you fully.see we have to accept that Birth time rectification is completely against the phylosophy of KP Astrology. This might surprise a few, but I can explain.

Now what is Kp Prediction primarily based on? according to KP, just with the rulling planets and their significations at the time of a query, we can arrive at certain predictions about the client. we know very well that the planetary position at the time of query will definitely be different than the planetary position in the Birth Chart of the native. Yet KP believes that this new planetary position is capable of giving us the correct answer if we are able to interpret them exactly as per the rules laid down. Now, how is this possible? This is precisely the basic phylosophy of KP. There are invisible energies and entities in this universe that guides us. this guidance may be by way of intuition also. but when we use KP, we dont depend on intuition much. so then how is the cosmic universe going to guide us. There is only one way. that is, make us draw a chart exactly at a particular moment and make sure that this chart has the specific configuration

of planets that can reveal the truth. Doesnt it make sense? Ofcourse it does for me. Now if this is so, then why should we even attempt a BRT. when we try to rectify the Birth chart, we are showing our lack of belief and trust in the ability of this cosmic energy to guide us correctly. we should leave certain things to God Almighty. If the Birthtime is wrong because it was recorded wrongly by the nurse, and the mistake is in a few minutes, then i believe, it was so destined by the God Almighty to be so recorded. there must be a purpose for it to be so recorded. Probably, to hide certain things or to reveal certain things which may not be revealed if we go ahead and change the time in the name of birth time rectification.

The above is my humble opinion on the subject if BRT. I feel many will not agree.santhosh>>TW >

>Wed, 21 October, 2009 8:37:54 AM> Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?>> Dear Friends,

>>1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.>1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord >http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=

>2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon sublord >http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 1

>>2. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation, as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of

astrology.>>Regards,>TW >>@gro ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:>>>> Dear Sir,>> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and

they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions.

>> It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.

>> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid downthe pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that.

>> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra>> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303>> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...

>> >> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Lajmi ji,>> Â>> Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students.

>> Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:>> >> Â >> >>>> [Attachment( s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below]

>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Punit,>> ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...>> ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively. ..ÂÂÂÂ

>> ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...>>ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ With kind regards,

>> ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ Yogesh Lajmi>>>>Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now!

October 21, 2009

Dear Members,

This is highly shocking. It is my first time to see someone saying that what Guruji KSK wrote under BTR is not correct. I am not going to get involved in the percentages & other calculations trying to prove this. I simply feel that Guruji KSK was not only brilliant but also highly blessed by Mahaganapati. What he has developed is not a work of someone who has got only good brain. If it was so, why didn't anybody develop this theory earlier ? This theory came to us through Guruji KSK only because of the blessings of Mahaganapati. If we really agree to this from our heart we must agree to what he has said in the KP readers.

To prove BTR theory is correct, we can have so many examples solved by different astrologers. They will show that when a birth chart is BTR processed, it matches with the actual events happened in one's life & when it is not BTR processed it doesn't match at all.

Recently Yogesh ji predicted correctly about the happening in life of Punit ji's boss. That was also based on BTR. Those who don't agree BTR must be thinking that the calculations done by him are nothing but manipulation.

Everyone is free to decide what to adopt & there is no compulsion. I am going to take it blindly because its a blessing of Mahaganapati.

Thanks & regards.

Vishram Deshpande

Santhosh <santhosh10 Sent: Wed, 21 October, 2009 12:31:36 PMRe: Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME

Dear TW,

from your post below, i think i understood that you are against the method of Birthtime rectification, although BTR is clearly mentioned in KP readers.

If this is what you have meant, then I agree with you fully.

see we have to accept that Birth time rectification is completely against the phylosophy of KP Astrology. This might surprise a few, but I can explain.

Now what is Kp Prediction primarily based on? according to KP, just with the rulling planets and their significations at the time of a query, we can arrive at certain predictions about the client. we know very well that the planetary position at the time of query will definitely be different than the planetary position in the Birth Chart of the native. Yet KP believes that this new planetary position is capable of giving us the correct answer if we are able to interpret them exactly as per the rules laid down. Now, how is this possible? This is precisely the basic phylosophy of KP. There are invisible energies and entities in this universe that guides us. this guidance may be by way of intuition also. but when we use KP, we dont depend on intuition much. so then how is the cosmic universe going to guide us. There is only one way. that is, make us draw a chart exactly at a particular moment and make sure that this chart has the specific configuration

of planets that can reveal the truth. Doesnt it make sense? Ofcourse it does for me.

Now if this is so, then why should we even attempt a BRT. when we try to rectify the Birth chart, we are showing our lack of belief and trust in the ability of this cosmic energy to guide us correctly. we should leave certain things to God Almighty. If the Birthtime is wrong because it was recorded wrongly by the nurse, and the mistake is in a few minutes, then i believe, it was so destined by the God Almighty to be so recorded. there must be a purpose for it to be so recorded. Probably, to hide certain things or to reveal certain things which may not be revealed if we go ahead and change the time in the name of birth time rectification.

The above is my humble opinion on the subject if BRT. I feel many will not agree.

santhosh

TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comWed, 21 October, 2009 8:37:54 AM Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

Dear Friends,1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord & simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon sublord http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 12. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation, as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of

astrology.Regards,TW @gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and

they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions. > It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down

the pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that. > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Lajmi ji,> Â > Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students. > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:> > Â > >

> [Attachment( s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below] > > > > > > > Dear Punit,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively. ..Â Â Â Â > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...>

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With kind regards,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi>

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October 21, 2009

Dear Members,

This kind of approach,of insisting that all research done by the late K.R.Kar,and many other stalwarts in K.P.,other than the late Krishnamurthi himself,smacks of firstly being not only more orthodox than the orthodox,but also of being more loyal than the King...and with little or no contribution of their own,towards the improvement or innovating new ideas...to write home about.... !

Such a short-sighted and narrow-minded outlook can never encourage research...and painting the Bhatts,the K.Subramaniams,the K.R.Kars,the A.R.Raichurs,the S.Balachandrans,the late M.P Shanmughams,the Balasekars,the Sunil Gondhalekars and many others...(Except for the S.P Khullars who have,as we all know,used the works of K.P. Stalwarts,and appropriated them as his own,as widely reported...)

I am surprised at particularly the very myopic vision of Punit,and I understand the angst though of TW and my friend from Ahmedabad,Mr.Kanak Bosmia(who does not indulge in such criticism) who are perhaps still nursing their anger against K.Subramaniam as their "research article" was not accepted for publication,by him in the journal K.P. & Astrology...

But by decrying all research,done by KSK's disciples smacks of typical and unexplainable intolerance of Punit and the others who belittle these researchers

with a lot of work behind them,and who have always selflessly dedicated their research to their Guru...Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji...

I hope that such unwarranted criticism shoud be desisted from,especially by people who don't even qualify to hold a candle to these great researchers...some of whom do not exist in this world since not so long ago...

In my personal opinion it just not fair... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey wrote:

Punit Pandey Re: Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 9:53 AM

Dear Friends,

Theoretical discussions have limited value. There is no way we can verify Horary, RP, Birth Time Rectification etc. other than by practical application.

I generally do not prefer rectification done every time without event verification as done by Lajmi ji. Though by demonstrating the correct prediction, he added weight to his method of rectification. It should be the way rather than merely discussion on theory.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:47 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

Mr Santosh, What is the philosophy of KP is totally understood by every KP astrologer, so it is not necessary to recall them. As per your opinion, we should not depend on omens, ruling planets. No doubt, once and for all, we will agree with you. But what you consider is that science, will there any reliable method that proves everytime the same significations of planets will offer same results or the results received in certain DBAS will again repeat in future. My dear friends, it is the only almighty who guided us to learn KP ASTROLOGY AND THATSWHY WE ARE FOLLOWING IT. and if we omit to take help the super natural power i.e. ruling planets, will anyone give only 5 examples for a particular person predicted upto day, lagna, minute, second. Means why that event is happened on that day, why that happened in that lagna and why that happened in that star of lagna, sub of lagna and sub sub of lagna and sub sub sub etc.If anyone gives the

above type details then KP astrology will need to be recaste and name of KRISHNAMURTIJI is to be replaced by the so called EMINENT ASTROLOGER and new system can be started.When we commit to adopt every principle of KP astrology, then there will be no excuses for anything. Rectificationof Birth time can be done only by a few astrologer who believes ALMIGHTY. Though it is the science, no body will answer why this is happening. If any astrologer is not ina position to take ruling planets for rectification of birth time and blaming the method is wrong. This should not be the case, especially in KP ASTROLOGY. 'I feel all will agree with me. Definately there maybe difference of opinions regarding the rectificaton of birth of time or rectified time of birth etc. but this will not cause blamed KP astrology as such.KSK in his primary lessons says that now the days have gone to tell the jataka that his/her marriage would happen in a year. Nowadays

everyone wants the prediction upto moment time. and KSK and his followers have given somany predictions upto moment time and stunned the astrologicall field. This is so, still if we consider that philosophys of KRishnamurti Padhati needs to be changed and new philosophy is necessary to adopt that only strong significations of planets. In the past, KSK himself and his followers were answering the predictions on ruling planets and they used to come true upto second moment correct. Now can we say that they were wrong. and we are correct?Most of the KP astrologers have not gone through the teachings of KP and following new ideas with whims and fancies to their personal satisfaction and also try to change originality of KP which is considered as the milestone in Predictive Stellar Astrology.Here, I the representative of everyone, put before you that without taking help of ruling planets, planets qualities and entire setup of vedic astrology, try

to predict the things that suppose to happen in a day or two. Like who will become the chief minister and the minister. Which minister will be allot which port folio, Now cricket matches 20-20 are being playing. Why not to predict for particular match for particular team and also for particular player regarding batting as well as bowling etc. and it should be predicted well in advance in general and then wait for the results. In average, 50 to 60% of the predictions will come true. What is about 40% predictions that fails. If KP is the science, then the results sholuld be similar without any difference. Is this possible. No, it is not possible. What we do now, we will put certain doubts before others and we get confused and also to confuse others.This tactis is very dangerous to the newcomers of KP astrology and I fear that by following this type of whims and fancies, kp astrology will go to a wrong path and also will beblamed.As a true

follower of KP, we, all must follow all the rules in its strictness and get KP to prosperity in qualititative as well as quantitative manner.If, by unknowingly, anyone is hurted, I am really sorry. But my intention is onlythat KP SHOULD LONG LIVE.With regardsVijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur, MaharashtraCell No. +91 9422582853/ +91 9673746303write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. comOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:42:38 +0530 wrote>Dear TW,from your post below, i think i understood that you are against the method of Birthtime rectification, although BTR is clearly mentioned in KP readers. If this is what you have meant, then I agree with you fully.see we have to accept that Birth time

rectification is completely against the phylosophy of KP Astrology. This might surprise a few, but I can explain.Now what is Kp Prediction primarily based on? according to KP, just with the rulling planets and their significations at the time of a query, we can arrive at certain predictions about the client. we know very well that the planetary position at the time of query will definitely be different than the planetary position in the Birth Chart of the native. Yet KP believes that this new planetary position is capable of giving us the correct answer if we are able to interpret them exactly as per the rules laid down. Now, how is this possible? This is precisely the basic phylosophy of KP. There are invisible energies and entities in this universe that guides us. this guidance may be by way of intuition also. but when we use KP, we dont depend on intuition much. so then how is the cosmic universe going to guide us. There is only one way. that

is, make us draw a chart exactly at a particular moment and make sure that this chart has the specific configurationof planets that can reveal the truth. Doesnt it make sense? Ofcourse it does for me. Now if this is so, then why should we even attempt a BRT. when we try to rectify the Birth chart, we are showing our lack of belief and trust in the ability of this cosmic energy to guide us correctly. we should leave certain things to God Almighty. If the Birthtime is wrong because it was recorded wrongly by the nurse, and the mistake is in a few minutes, then i believe, it was so destined by the God Almighty to be so recorded. there must be a purpose for it to be so recorded. Probably, to hide certain things or to reveal certain things which may not be revealed if we go ahead and change the time in the name of birth time rectification.The above is my humble opinion on the subject if BRT. I feel many will not

agree.santhosh>>TW >@gro ups.com>Wed, 21 October, 2009 8:37:54 AM> Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?>> Dear Friends,>>1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.>1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord >http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=>2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon sublord >http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 1>>2. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation, as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science ofastrology.>>Regards,>TW >>@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:>>>> Dear Sir,>> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery

etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences andthey confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we

lead to wrong path of predictions. >> It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.>> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid downthe pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that. >> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra>> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303>> write me

to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...>> >> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Lajmi ji,>> Â>> Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students. >> Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:>> >> Â >> >>>> [Attachment( s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dear Punit,>> ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...>> ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively.

...ÂÂÂÂ >> ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...>>ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ With kind regards,>> ÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂÂ Yogesh Lajmi>>>>Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now!

October 21, 2009

Dear Lajmi ji,

I am OK with the criticism, but truly speaking I do not understand why this criticism? I guess you have not read my mail and hurried to the response. I would request you to reread my email again at /message/28685

Isn't all these concepts mashed up with KP can confuse KP beginners? What is the harm in advising KP students to " I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension. " ?

Sub, Sub-Sub, Sub of the Star, Star of the Star, Star of the Star of the Star, Star of the Sub, Sub-Sub-Sub, Sign-Star-Sub-Sub-Sub and their interlinks.. there is no end to it. Isn't it confusing? I feel my duty to tell beginners to master basics first and then only pick up all these extensions.

I have my personal opinion that most of the theories are good only for post-mortem. I am not saying just like that but extensively experimented with most of these theories and formed my opinion. Also saying that I am not broad-minded is not correct, because my openness to all theories whether KP or non-KP is well known. What I care most is the correct predictions. I am sure that this forum doesn't require proof for that. Am I not allowed to share my opinion?

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyPS: I am not sure whether you misread my other email as well. I was trying to say that the best method to tell about a new theory is by practical demonstration as you have done. I was praising you and what I got in return was a harsh criticism :-)

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi wrote:

Dear Members,

This kind of approach,of insisting that all research done by the late K.R.Kar,and many other stalwarts in K.P.,other than the late Krishnamurthi himself,smacks of firstly being not only more orthodox than the orthodox,but also of being more loyal than the King...and with little or no contribution of their own,towards the improvement or innovating new ideas...to write home about.... !

Such a short-sighted and narrow-minded outlook can never encourage research...and painting the Bhatts,the K.Subramaniams,the K.R.Kars,the A.R.Raichurs,the S.Balachandrans,the late M.P Shanmughams,the Balasekars,the Sunil Gondhalekars and many others...(Except for the S.P Khullars who have,as we all know,used the works of K.P. Stalwarts,and appropriated them as his own,as widely reported...)

I am surprised at particularly the very myopic vision of Punit,and I understand the angst though of TW and my friend from Ahmedabad,Mr.Kanak Bosmia(who does not indulge in such criticism) who are perhaps still nursing their anger against K.Subramaniam as their " research article " was not accepted for publication,by him in the journal K.P. & Astrology...

But by decrying all research,done by KSK's disciples smacks of typical and unexplainable intolerance of Punit and the others who belittle these researchers

with a lot of work behind them,and who have always selflessly dedicated their research to their Guru...Jyotish Marthand K.S.Krishnamurthiji...

I hope that such unwarranted criticism shoud be desisted from,especially by people who don't even qualify to hold a candle to these great researchers...some of whom do not exist in this world since not so long ago...

In my personal opinion it just not fair... !

With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey wrote:

Punit Pandey Re: Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME

Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 9:53 AM