RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

October 20, 2009

Dear Sir,

Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions.

It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.

IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down the pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra

Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

write me to : guide_vijayanand

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote

>

Dear Lajmi ji,

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Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students.

Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:

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[Attachment(s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below]

Dear Punit,

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively...Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With kind regards,

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi

October 20, 2009

Dear Patil ji,

I accept your points.

Regards

Adith

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:34 AM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand wrote:

Dear Sir,Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions.

It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.

IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down the pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, MaharashtraCell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303write me to : guide_vijayanand

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote>Dear Lajmi ji, Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students. Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote: [Attachment(s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below] Dear Punit, Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...

I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively... In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...

With kind regards, Yogesh Lajmi

October 21, 2009

Dear Friends,

1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is

biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.

1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord

/message/16092?threaded=

2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord & simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon

sublord

/message/19062?var=1

2. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic

including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious

than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation,

as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of astrology.

Regards,

TW

, " VIJAYANAND PATIL "

<guide_vijayanand wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical

professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately,

it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian,

forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this,

there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10

minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should

present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30

minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while

practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and they confirmed it as

the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of

birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord,

star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth

related to moon star and moon sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain

cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90

% of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the

time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions.

> It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or

will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the

astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other

astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will

lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.

> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down the pricniples of rectification

of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign

Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the

ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto

sub sub level or even more than that.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for

Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> write me to : guide_vijayanand

>

> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote

> >

Dear Lajmi ji,

> Â

> Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help

beginners and students.

> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:

>

> Â

>

> [Attachment(s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below]

Dear Punit,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P.

System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's

star-lord and sub-lord respectively...Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In my humble opinion the subject will mist

probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised

for some length of time...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With kind regards,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi

>

October 21, 2009

Dear TW, My remarks are with no offence intended to you or others. When the correct birth time is itself controversial and suffers from inconsistency,all that follows is equally unreliable. The 2 rules mentioned by you has a limitation of 30 mins +/-.All BTR formulae are universally not consistent and suffer from infirmities,The rule of RPs is suspect in itself because it relies on the 'Divine' urge. I would suspect each of us would have their own understandings on this socalled 'Divine

Urge" Add to all these we have SW calculations on coordinates etc etc. We are thus operating in an ocean of uncertainites. If we get it right is knowledge plus good luck otherwise..... We are struggling in our own ways to improve,that is the positive attitude keeping the flock to-gether. Regards, Satish

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, TW <tw853 wrote:TW <tw853 Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD? Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 8:37 AM

Dear Friends,

1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.

1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=

2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord & simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon sublord

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 1

2. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation, as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of astrology.

Regards,

TW

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon

sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions.

> It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.

> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down the pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...

>

> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote

> >

>

> Dear Lajmi ji,

> Â

> Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students.

> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:

>

> Â

>

> [Attachment( s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below]

>

> Dear Punit,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively. ..Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With kind regards,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi

>

October 21, 2009

Respected Seniors & esteemed members,Following is my opinion on the BTR ;There are many theories put forward by many practicing BTR specialists all over the world which I have read over the internet. Since we deal with planets & stars in our study and I feel that they do certainly have a say in our day to day life where the events take place. As rightly pointed out by TWji, that BTR is a time consuming work and its a fact. What Yogeshji has

said repeatedly in this forum is that once the BTR is done, it is our duty to work out the details - check the events whether they are matching with the DBAS of the BTR'ed chart. Once, we are able to co-relate all those events (postmortem analysis of our life events) then ONLY we can say that the BTR is correct. Now this analysis is what is mentioned as a time consuming analysis.Since, our birth & any events in our life is all based on TIME; it would be really necessary to know the exact time of the occurred event - birth / accident / death or whatever. Now how do we get that correct time is the

question. Lets say an event had occurred which you had witnessed and have noted the time as per your watch. Now see the difference with that of the World time keepers (since I don't know who does this function so I have not named it). So now more or less you have the right time then look at the planet charts to find their locations so that it can be mapped.Most of the calculations do not give us 100% accuracy to the current positions of stars & planets, but we have taken into our system with a certain degree of tolerance. Hence, you have noticed in the Quiz 15 , Punitji did not mention the time of the event by said the date which gives the tolerance limit in calculation.I hope I have not confused the members and

please correct me my logical reasoning about finding the correct time.Jai Maa Kaali, Devbrato Sarkar"Wealth is not just about making the money BUT making the MAN while he is making money".--- On Wed, 10/21/09, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:R Satish <rsatish1942Re: Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD? Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 7:40 AM

Dear TW, My remarks are with no offence intended to you or others. When the correct birth time is itself controversial and suffers from inconsistency, all that follows is equally unreliable. The 2 rules mentioned by you has a limitation of 30 mins +/-.All BTR formulae are universally not consistent and

suffer from infirmities, The rule of RPs is suspect in itself because it relies on the 'Divine' urge. I would suspect each of us would have their own understandings on this socalled 'Divine

Urge" Add to all these we have SW calculations on coordinates etc etc. We are thus operating in an ocean of uncertainites. If we get it right is knowledge plus good luck otherwise... .. We are struggling in our own ways to improve,that is the positive attitude keeping the flock to-gether. Regards, Satish

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, TW <tw853 > wrote:TW <tw853 > Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?@gro ups.comWednesday, October 21, 2009, 8:37 AM

Dear Friends,

1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.

1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=

2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord & simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon sublord

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 1

2. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation, as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of astrology.

Regards,

TW

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon

sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions.

> It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.

> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down the pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...

>

> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote

> >

>

> Dear Lajmi ji,

> Â

> Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students.

> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:

>

> Â

>

> [Attachment( s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below]

>

> Dear Punit,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively. ..Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With kind regards,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Members,Before coming to any conclusion based on the statistics contained in message # 16092 and 19062 please go through messages #19279and 19307. Seniors and moderator are requested to discuss and conclude whetherthese methods are totally unreliable as concluded in the statisticalanalysis. This may be helpful to beginners.RegardsSubhash Ektare TW <tw853 Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 5:07:54 AM Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

Dear Friends,

1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.

1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=

2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord & simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon sublord

http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 1

2. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation, as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of astrology.

Regards,

TW

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon

sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions.

> It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.

> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down the pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...

>

> On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote

> >

>

> Dear Lajmi ji,

> Â

> Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students.

> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:

>

> Â

>

> [Attachment( s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below]

>

> Dear Punit,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively. ..Â Â Â Â

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With kind regards,

> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi

>

October 21, 2009

Dear Ektara Ji,I was told my birth time 8:15AM,POB-BASTI (U.P),Longitude 82:44East,Latitude 26:48North,DOB-20.04.1959. I corrected my birth time as 08:15:56AM with above rule .I am married on 31.12.1988,My son was born on 6.4.1998,I joined my services on 7.3.1985 in Judicial Department.Please prove it that how above method is in correct.In my opinion I have found that in 90 % cases the above rule does apply.It is correct that in 10% cases it did not apply.

With thanks and regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 12:19:48 AMRe: Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

Dear Members,

Before coming to any conclusion based on the statistics contained in

message # 16092 and 19062 please go through messages #19279

and 19307.

Seniors and moderator are requested to discuss and conclude whether

these methods are totally unreliable as concluded in the statistical

analysis. This may be helpful to beginners.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comWed, October 21, 2009 5:07:54 AM Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

Dear Friends,1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord & simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon sublord http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 12. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation, as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of

astrology.Regards,TW @gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences and

they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions. > It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down

the pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that. > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Lajmi ji,> Â > Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students. > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:> > Â > >

> [Attachment( s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below] > > > > > > > Dear Punit,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively. ..Â Â Â Â > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...>

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With kind regards,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi>

October 22, 2009

Dear Mishra ji,Please note that Honorable TW ji has mentioned that these two methodsof BTR are statistically found unreliable. Not myself. In fact, I amnot agreeable with such conclusion which I have mentioned in messages# 19279 and 19307 referred to in my posting. Actually what I have mentioned in those messages is totally in agreement with your experience.Therefore, the burden of proving these methods as unreliable lies withthe person who analyzed these cases and presented such statistics and conclusion. Not me. However please note that my intension is not to criticize or discourage seniors doing

valuable research but put my view point in front of learned members. I will be happy if some senior member can prove me wrong and give me an opportunity to correct my mistake and/ormis-understanding, if any.RegardsSubhash EktareDhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra Sent: Wed, October 21, 2009 9:30:41 PMRe: Re:

RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

Dear Ektara Ji,I was told my birth time 8:15AM,POB-BASTI (U.P),Longitude 82:44East,Latitude 26:48North,DOB- 20.04.1959. I corrected my birth time as 08:15:56AM with above rule .I am married on 31.12.1988,My son was born on 6.4.1998,I joined my services on 7.3.1985 in Judicial Department.Please prove it that how above method is in correct.In my opinion I have found that in 90 % cases the above rule does apply.It is correct that in 10% cases it did not apply.

With thanks and regards,

Dhirendra Nath Misra

Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ >@gro ups.comThu, October 22, 2009 12:19:48 AMRe: Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

Dear Members,

Before coming to any conclusion based on the statistics contained in

message # 16092 and 19062 please go through messages #19279

and 19307.

Seniors and moderator are requested to discuss and conclude whether

these methods are totally unreliable as concluded in the statistical

analysis. This may be helpful to beginners.

Regards

Subhash Ektare

TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comWed, October 21, 2009 5:07:54 AM Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

Dear Friends,1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord & simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon sublord http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 12. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation, as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of

astrology.Regards,TW @gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical professionals are also careful regarding the noting of birth time. Definately, it will depend on the situation of delivery i.e. general normal, cessarian, forcep delivery etc. and the general condition of the mother. and due to this, there is no much difference in time of birth roughly extended upto only 10 minutes. But if we consider the ascendent sub lord and sub sub lord should present as the Moon star lord and moon Sub lord, it will run for more than 30 minutes from the reported time of birth. No doubt, by certain astrologers while practicing KP astrology, found certain co incidences

and

they confirmed it as the rule. But in every case it will do. As far possible, rectification of birth time will have to be done as per ruling planets upto ascendent sign lord, star lord, sub lord and sub sub lord. If we stick to rectify the time of birth related to moon star and moon sub at the same time, it will deviate in certain cases. In 10% cases of 100% cases, moon star and moon sub will match butt in 90 % of the cases it will not match. and in matching this case, if we enhance the time of birth beyond the limits, then we lead to wrong path of predictions. > It is presumed that the astrologer who prepares the horoscope will be or will not be consulted for every time and the horsocpe such prepared by the astrologer by enhancing the time of birth beyond the limits, the other astrologer predict as per the given detailed horoscope. and thus Jataka will lead to a wrong prediction or wrong decision.> IN KP 3rd reader, Late KSK has laid down

the pricniples of rectification of birth in which he says that Ruling planets i.e. Lagna Star Lord, Lagna Sign Lord, Chandra Star Lord, Chandra Sign lord, Day lord will have its impact on the ascendent of the jataka and with the help of it, ascendent can be rectified upto sub sub level or even more than that. > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur, Maharashtra> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:51:29 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Lajmi ji,> Â > Appreciate your participation. Analysis by seniors will definitely help beginners and students. > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Yogesh Lajmi wrote:> > Â > >

> [Attachment( s) from Yogesh Lajmi included below] > > > > > > > Dear Punit,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Am sending you the solution to QUIZ No. 15...> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â I have corrected the TOB,as per K.P. System...such that the Ascendant sub-lord and sub-sub-lord appear as the Moon's star-lord and sub-lord respectively. ..Â Â Â Â > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...>

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With kind regards,> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Yogesh Lajmi>

October 22, 2009

Dear Satish,

You're right. An unnecessary and unreliable BTR would add some more drops in the

ocean of uncertainites.

Regards,

TW

, R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:

>

> Dear TW,

> My remarks are with no offence intended to you or others.

> When the correct birth time is itself controversial and

suffers from inconsistency,all that follows is equally unreliable.

The 2 rules mentioned by you has a limitation of 30 mins

+/-.All BTR formulae are universally not consistent and suffer from

infirmities,The rule of RPs is suspect in itself because it relies on the

'Divine' urge.. I would suspect each of us would have their own understandings

on this socalled 'Divine Urge "

> Add to all these we have SW calculations on coordinates

etc etc.

>

> We are thus operating in an ocean of uncertainites. If

we get it right is knowledge plus good luck otherwise.....

> We are struggling in our own ways to improve,that is

the positive attitude keeping the flock to-gether.

> Regards,

> Satish

>

> --- On Wed, 10/21/09, TW <tw853 wrote:

>

> TW <tw853

> Re: RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME_ ASC. SUB LORD AND

SUBSUB BE PRESENT AS THE MOON STARLORD AND MOON SUB LORD?

>

> Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 8:37 AM

>

> Dear Friends,

>

> 1. The two BTR methods below are statistically found unreliable, first one is

biased to acceptance and second one biased to rejection.

>

> 1) Moon-Star = Asc Sublord

>

> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 16092?threaded=

>

> 2) Asc sublord = Moon Star lord & simultaneously Asc sub-sub lord = Moon

sublord

>

> http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 19062?var= 1

>

> 2. The BRT is the well experienced men's serious job in the West and Vedic

including KAS. In doing the BRT as any body's job, nothing can be more atrocious

than to diverge from a reliable recorded birth time in the name of rectifiation,

as such a step would only bring disrepute to the devine science of astrology.

>

> Regards,

>

> TW

>

> @gro ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " <guide_

vijayanand@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Sir,

>

> > Now a days when birth of child occurs, the parents as well as medical