Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Dear friends, As traditional astakwarg followers are failed in numbers. but Mr. Krushna from Satara, Maharashtra has developed special astakwarg method which enables us to timing of event. The lessons and experiments can be had at "http://krushna.sageasita.com/" . They have developed their own software from which all shodashvarg kundlies to show the results towards Astakvarg. In my previous postings regarding UPCHAYA STHANAS the same theme has elaborated by Krushnaji firstly. No doubt information regarding upchaya sthanas is available. but new dimension of upchaya sthanas and as well as why and how vishotari dasa system runs and the years allocated to each planet is itself elaborated by Krushnaji. As far as Guru is concerned, we know Guru is considered as the most benefic planet as it is having max. benefic points in astakwarg and the Mars and Shani is having as compared to Guru less benefic points in astakwarg thatswhy Mars, Shani is termed as malefic planets. It is his finding that lord of 8th house from the house we consider will be the natural karak for that house. I had given information regarding this in my last post. Suppose we have to consider marriage. marriage is to be considered from 7th house. Here 8th house from 7th is Tauras and the lord of Taurs is Shukra and it isthe natural karaka for marriage. Another finding of Shri Krushnaji is " if any planet in any house is having more than 4 benefic points in astakwarg, other planet aspecting that house will weaken its strength. and if any planet in any house is having les than 4 benefic points, other planets aspecting that house will strengthen its strength by deducting benefic points from 8. As far Marriage event time finding is concerned, Krushnaji is of the opinion and he and his followers have tried in thousands of cases and proved that the marriages will have to happened in the Bhukti of lord of or occupant of 4 or 12. Krushna's Astakvarg programme is available on Excel sheet. Especially Astakwarg is considered the best for identifying the auspiciousness of the day. In general, astakwarg is more realistic results in transit. Suppose, one runs DBAs favourable, but the astakwarg points on that specific period is less, then the event may not happened or if happened the quality of that event will not be as we expect from strength of DBAS in KP system. Another difference in Krushna's Astakwarg and General Astakwarg system is that Shri Krushnaji adopts zero date for ayananamash is 22 february 366 as suggested by his Guruji. Thatswhy the long.of planets as wsell as cusps are different in thier system. They use the general principle we use i.e. for timing of event, they consider the transit of Sun in the 27 constellations. They consider this as the PROBABLE DATE FINDER (PDF) I request all of us to go through it and study it and it can be used as the subsidiary to KP system then the results of KP system will increased in qualitative and quantitative manner. It is upto all whether to accept or not. Punitji, I request you what would be corresponding difference if we use our KP ayanamshas and we use 24th of February 366 as the zero date for ayanamshas and in time how much it comes. Suppose the time of birth is 11.00 am on 20.10.2009. What would be the time of birth if we apply 24th February 366 as the zero date, if this corelation is received some KP facts can be reverified for the efficacy of improvement as well as to prove to the world. With regards Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur Cell No. +91 9422582853/9673746303 write me to : guide_vijayanand On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:12:50 +0530 wrote > Dear Mr. Rao,  Can you please explain with example how you do general reading on a particular house using Ashtakvarga? Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Rao Tammiraju wrote:  Dear Sagarji,   I am a silent participant in the group. i am a practicing remedial astrologer stationed at Hyderabad. i read your mail on asthakavarga and it is very interesting. i also follow asthakavarga theory propounded by BV.Raman for getting a general reading on a particular house it is very useful and it is very accurate. .sometimes, for a brief reading i am using asthakavarga only and it is giving accurate results.  your mail is very interesting. Now a days very few astrologer are using asthakavarga theory. I dont know about sungress chart and libra month. can yoou please kindly explain in detail the pattern followed by you in this regard, for which act of kindness i shall be very obliged to you.  with regars and best wishes T.R.RAO --- On Mon, 19/10/09, Punit Pandey wrote: Punit Pandey Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- : Monday, 19 October, 2009, 12:10 AM  Dear Sagar ji,  Thanks for your response. Your applications of ashtakvarga is very interesting. My experience with ashtakvarga is not very good and hence I do not use it at all. I tried ashtakvarga many times in the past on natal horoscopes and results were never satisfactory.  Anyways, your email still doesn't answer both of my questions -  1. There are elections in three states. The solar month will remain same. How you will use this method in that case? 2. How you calculated 38 seats for MNS? Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Sagar S wrote:  Dear PunitYes, it is unbelievable but it is my experience and success.My first case was 1984 and my prediction was 87.5% favor for thr the ruling party congress and result was 419 seats for the ruling government. in 1985 i had predicted AGP MLA?MP seats with very accurate and i sent the same to Planets and forecast, the editor Mr.Nimai Banerji write me congradulation for the same.Pakistan peoples party victory and farmation of the same was predicted. Slilanka polls was predicted.In the recent i had predicted Manmohan singh will become PM for 2nd term with 272/273 seats , i had predicted it on 5th September 2008 that is 8 months before even before the polls date was announced. Any one can predict with the help of Benefic dots of Jupiter for the perticular month.sun ingress time chart.4th house signifies opposition,10th house signifies Ruling Government.8 benefic dots will be the highest and 8 equals to 100 or total number of seats. 4th house jupiter benefic dots and 10th house jupiter benefic dots to be added and then we have to calculate percentage for the same.for ex:4th house had 6 benefic dots and 10th house had 8 benefic dots = 14 6X288 --------14     =hence opp will get 123 seats and Ruling party will get 164 seats.In maharashtra polls Libra month 4th and 10th had 7 benefic dots of Jupiter hence 14 that is 50% for both RP and OPP party. 288 seats 50% is 144 seats.so RP anf OPP sill secure 144 seats.I hope i have explained as per my experience.ofcourse now a days i am not keen interenct in doing all these works becoming losing interest in all these. Thanks and regardsSahhasra Saagara Punit Pandey @gro ups.com Sat, 17 October, 2009 4:53:10 PM Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-  Dear Sagar ji,  They say "one swallow does not make a summer". Not too long, we struggled predicting correct time of marriage. Forum archive can give good hint of general success and failure. In such a situation a claim like "Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations" seems too tall a claim to me.  Anyways, I have a suggestion to test your rule. Why don't you go and predict results of all three state elections. It will give use at least three test cases and give us some indication of success percentage. The success percentage that you are claiming (20 out of 24 i.e. more than 83%) should be good enough to make it a rule, if proven. Thanks Regards, Punit Pandey PS: Please do not take it as an attempt to belittle any rule or knowledge. But as an astrologer, the point made as well as success claimed are hard to believe for me. On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sagar S wrote:  Hi Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations. So many scholors have proved it.  BPHS/Brihit Jatakhakya/other astrological texts has given many points how to analyse in what way.only thing is we have to understand the same and implement with care.  Number of seats for each party can be predict through Benefic dots and percentage of seats.  In the past i have predicted number of seats for ruling party and opposition party in general. I got succeed in 20 cases out of 24 cases.  recently i have predicted (after a very long time) on 5th September 2008 itself that Mr.Manmohan singh will be the PM for 2nd term, 16th May 2009 will be the day of Manmohan singh and Ruling party will get 272/273 seats and will farm the Government.  Counting date was 16th May 2009, total number of seats were 274 when the Ruling party farmed the Government on 22nd May 2009.  http://churumuri. wordpress. com/2007/ 11/12/say- hello-to- the-famous- astrologer- kn-somayaji/ · Sahhasra Saagara Says: 5 September 2008 at 12:25 am  Regards Sahhasra Saagara Ramani @gro ups.com Fri, 16 October, 2009 7:52:59 PMFW: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-  Deae Sri Punit Pandeyji,  In my opinion, nothing is impossible in Astrology. In K.P.system itself, Shri Kanak Bosmia has written an Article in September, 2007 E.Zine, finding how many sticks are there in a box with the help of RP horary No. Even in KP Reader, I remember to have read about how many letters in the bag. Somr Articles also appearen In KP Astrology annual or monthly on this subject. Can’t we apply this method to find out how many seats eaxh party will win out of those No.s for wich they contested?  Truly yours,  K.S.V.Ramani  @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey 16 October 2009 15:42@gro ups.com Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-   Dear Deshpande ji and Friends,  This email clearly shows ignorance of "Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti." It shows that they are trying to create confusion in public's mind by announcing such an award. Now see the statement. They say "participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. "  Now I wonder where does astrology claim that astrology can predict number of seats won by each major party? There is no rule in any astrology classic whether it is Brihat Jatak, BPHS or KP readers and any other astrology book.  This is like asking medical science to show they can cure AIDS patient otherwise they will assume that medical science is blind-faith.  This is like asking astronomers to show them landing a rocket on Sun otherwise they will assume astronomy and physics as blind-faith.  This is absolutely ridiculous.  Like astronomy / physics / medical science, astrology also has limitations. In fact, every science has limitations and that is the reason science is serviving / researching. What can be predicted by astrology is clearly documented and I wish they have courage to put a challenge based on that. Like other sciences, research is going on in astrology with an attempt to improve our predictive knowledge and like scientists we wish that we will be able to predict winning seat some day. But if astrologers can not predict winning-seats, it should not mean that astrology is blind-faith. To conclude, They should stop fooling the society by throwing such ridiculous challenge s.  People should also be careful with such fraudulent challenges. Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Vishram Deshpande wrote:  Dear Astrologers,  There is a news in Mumbai Mirror (supplement of Times of India) dated 16th Oct, 09 which attracted me made me think to put it in the forum for information of all.  A rationalist group, "Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti" (known as ANS) has announced a reward of Rs 21 Lakh to any astrologer who can predict correctly result of the 13th Oct, 09 Assembly elections. The participants will have to explain scientifically how they have arrived to that conclusion. There is no restriction on what type of astrology one uses. Only the thing is that the astrology used must be based on planetary positions.  Participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win.  ANS has Rs 30 lakh in SBI A/C No. 606265 astrologers don't have to worry whether they will really be paid after winning. (This is what given in paper) Name of the group is in Marathi the meaning is "Committee for removal of blind faith"  I am not a member of ANS strongly believe in astrology. Most probably the ANS group is based in Pune our group members who are from Pune can get the details of contact numbers etc easily from local nws papers. I request the Pune members to help accordingly.  Wish you all very best of luck !  Vishram Deshpande           Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now!  Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. 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Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Dear Friends, 1. Ashtakavarga is nothing to do with KP. Krushna's Ashtakavarga System is entirely different from KP and it's easy for Krushna's Ashtakavarga top experts to follow KP analysis here in this group but not easy for us to follow KAS in their group. Krushna's Antara period division is also different from our standard Antara and Sookshma. 2. Krushna's Ayanamsa is around 1 deg less than Lahiri Ayanamsa. Every game has its own rule, similarly each system has its own ayanamsa to apply. It's better not mix up. Regards, TW , " VIJAYANAND PATIL " <guide_vijayanand wrote: > > Dear friends, > As traditional astakwarg followers are failed in numbers. but Mr. Krushna from Satara, Maharashtra has developed special astakwarg method which enables us to timing of event. The lessons and experiments can be had at " http://krushna.sageasita.com/ " . > They have developed their own software from which all shodashvarg kundlies to show the results towards Astakvarg. > In my previous postings regarding UPCHAYA STHANAS the same theme has elaborated by Krushnaji firstly. No doubt information regarding upchaya sthanas is available. but new dimension of upchaya sthanas and as well as why and how vishotari dasa system runs and the years allocated to each planet is itself elaborated by Krushnaji. As far as Guru is concerned, we know Guru is considered as the most benefic planet as it is having max. benefic points in astakwarg and the Mars and Shani is having as compared to Guru less benefic points in astakwarg thatswhy Mars, Shani is termed as malefic planets. It is his finding that lord of 8th house from the house we consider will be the natural karak for that house. I had given information regarding this in my last post. Suppose we have to consider marriage. marriage is to be considered from 7th house. Here 8th house from 7th is Tauras and the lord of Taurs is Shukra and it isthe natural karaka for marriage. > Another finding of Shri Krushnaji is " if any planet in any house is having more than 4 benefic points in astakwarg, other planet aspecting that house will weaken its strength. and if any planet in any house is having les than 4 benefic points, other planets aspecting that house will strengthen its strength by deducting benefic points from 8. > As far Marriage event time finding is concerned, Krushnaji is of the opinion and he and his followers have tried in thousands of cases and proved that the marriages will have to happened in the Bhukti of lord of or occupant of 4 or 12. > Krushna's Astakvarg programme is available on Excel sheet. Especially Astakwarg is considered the best for identifying the auspiciousness of the day. In general, astakwarg is more realistic results in transit. Suppose, one runs DBAs favourable, but the astakwarg points on that specific period is less, then the event may not happened or if happened the quality of that event will not be as we expect from strength of DBAS in KP system. > Another difference in Krushna's Astakwarg and General Astakwarg system is that Shri Krushnaji adopts zero date for ayananamash is 22 february 366 as suggested by his Guruji. Thatswhy the long.of planets as wsell as cusps are different in thier system. > They use the general principle we use i.e. for timing of event, they consider the transit of Sun in the 27 constellations. They consider this as the PROBABLE DATE FINDER (PDF) > I request all of us to go through it and study it and it can be used as the subsidiary to KP system then the results of KP system will increased in qualitative and quantitative manner. It is upto all whether to accept or not. > Punitji, I request you what would be corresponding difference if we use our KP ayanamshas and we use 24th of February 366 as the zero date for ayanamshas and in time how much it comes. Suppose the time of birth is 11.00 am on 20.10.2009. What would be the time of birth if we apply 24th February 366 as the zero date, if this corelation is received some KP facts can be reverified for the efficacy of improvement as well as to prove to the world. > With regards > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur > Cell No. +91 9422582853/9673746303 > write me to : guide_vijayanand > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:12:50 +0530 wrote > > Dear Mr. Rao, >  > Can you please explain with example how you do general reading on a particular house using Ashtakvarga? > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Rao Tammiraju wrote: > >  > > Dear Sagarji, >  >  I am a silent participant in the group. i am a practicing remedial astrologer stationed at Hyderabad. i read your mail on asthakavarga and it is very interesting. i also follow asthakavarga theory propounded by BV.Raman for getting a general reading on a particular house it is very useful and it is very accurate. .sometimes, for a brief reading i am using asthakavarga only and it is giving accurate results. > >  > your mail is very interesting. Now a days very few astrologer are using asthakavarga theory. I dont know about sungress chart and libra month. can yoou please kindly explain in detail the pattern followed by you in this regard, for which act of kindness i shall be very obliged to you. > >  > with regars and best wishes > T.R.RAO > --- On Mon, 19/10/09, Punit Pandey wrote: > > Punit Pandey > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > : Monday, 19 October, 2009, 12:10 AM >  > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji, >  > Thanks for your response. Your applications of ashtakvarga is very interesting. My experience with ashtakvarga is not very good and hence I do not use it at all. I tried ashtakvarga many times in the past on natal horoscopes and results were never satisfactory. > >  > Anyways, your email still doesn't answer both of my questions - >  > 1. There are elections in three states. The solar month will remain same. How you will use this method in that case? > 2. How you calculated 38 seats for MNS? > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey > > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Sagar S wrote: > > >  > > Dear PunitYes, it is unbelievable but it is my experience and success.My first case was 1984 and my prediction was 87.5% favor for thr the ruling party congress and result was 419 seats for the ruling government. > in 1985 i had predicted AGP MLA?MP seats with very accurate and i sent the same to Planets and forecast, the editor Mr.Nimai Banerji write me congradulation for the same.Pakistan peoples party victory and farmation of the same was predicted. > Slilanka polls was predicted.In the recent i had predicted Manmohan singh will become PM for 2nd term with 272/273 seats , i had predicted it on 5th September 2008 that is 8 months before even before the polls date was announced. > Any one can predict with the help of Benefic dots of Jupiter for the perticular month.sun ingress time chart.4th house signifies opposition,10th house signifies Ruling Government.8 benefic dots will be the highest and 8 equals to 100 or total number of seats. > 4th house jupiter benefic dots and 10th house jupiter benefic dots to be added and then we have to calculate percentage for the same.for ex:4th house had 6 benefic dots and 10th house had 8 benefic dots = 14 6X288 > --------14     =hence opp will get 123 seats and Ruling party will get 164 seats.In maharashtra polls Libra month 4th and 10th had 7 benefic dots of Jupiter hence 14 that is 50% for both RP and OPP party. > 288 seats 50% is 144 seats.so RP anf OPP sill secure 144 seats.I hope i have explained as per my experience.ofcourse now a days i am not keen interenct in doing all these works becoming losing interest in all these. > Thanks and regardsSahhasra Saagara Punit Pandey > @gro ups.com > > > Sat, 17 October, 2009 4:53:10 PM > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > >  > > > Dear Sagar ji, >  They say " one swallow does not make a summer " . Not too long, we struggled predicting correct time of marriage. Forum archive can give good hint of general success and failure. In such a situation a claim like " Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations " seems too tall a claim to me. >  Anyways, I have a suggestion to test your rule. Why don't you go and predict results of all three state elections. It will give use at least three test cases and give us some indication of success percentage. The success percentage that you are claiming (20 out of 24 i.e. more than 83%) should be good enough to make it a rule, if proven. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > Punit Pandey > PS: Please do not take it as an attempt to belittle any rule or knowledge. But as an astrologer, the point made as well as success claimed are hard to believe for me. > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sagar S wrote: > > >  Hi > Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations. So many scholors have proved it. >  > BPHS/Brihit Jatakhakya/other astrological texts has given many points how to analyse in what way.only thing is we have to understand the same and implement with care. >  > Number of seats for each party can be predict through Benefic dots and percentage of seats. >  > In the past i have predicted number of seats for ruling party and opposition party in general. I got succeed in 20 cases out of 24 cases. >  > recently i have predicted (after a very long time) on 5th September 2008 itself that Mr.Manmohan singh will be the PM for 2nd term, 16th May 2009 will be the day of Manmohan singh and Ruling party will get 272/273 seats and will farm the Government. > >  > Counting date was 16th May 2009, total number of seats were 274 when the Ruling party farmed the Government on 22nd May 2009. >  > http://churumuri. wordpress. com/2007/ 11/12/say- hello-to- the-famous- astrologer- kn-somayaji/ > > · Sahhasra Saagara Says: 5 September 2008 at 12:25 am > >  > Regards > Sahhasra Saagara > > > > > > Ramani > @gro ups.com > > > Fri, 16 October, 2009 7:52:59 PMFW: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > >  > > > > > Deae Sri Punit Pandeyji, >  > In my opinion, nothing is impossible in Astrology. In K.P.system itself, > > Shri Kanak Bosmia has written an Article in September, 2007 E.Zine, > finding how many sticks are there in a box with the help of RP & horary > > No. Even in KP Reader, I remember to have read about how many letters in the bag. Somr Articles also appearen In KP Astrology annual > > or monthly on this subject. Can’t we apply this method to find out how > many seats eaxh party will win out of those No.s for wich they contested? > >  > Truly yours, >  > K.S.V.Ramani >  > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey > 16 October 2009 15:42@gro ups.com > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > > >  >  > > Dear Deshpande ji and Friends, > >  > > This email clearly shows ignorance of " Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti. " It shows that they are trying to create confusion in public's mind by announcing such an award. Now see the statement. They say " participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. " > > >  > > Now I wonder where does astrology claim that astrology can predict number of seats won by each major party? There is no rule in any astrology classic whether it is Brihat Jatak, BPHS or KP readers and any other astrology book. > > >  > > > > > This is like asking medical science to show they can cure AIDS patient otherwise they will assume that medical science is blind-faith. > > >  > > > > > This is like asking astronomers to show them landing a rocket on Sun otherwise they will assume astronomy and physics as blind-faith. > > >  > > This is absolutely ridiculous. > >  > > > > > Like astronomy / physics / medical science, astrology also has limitations. In fact, every science has limitations and that is the reason science is serviving / researching. What can be predicted by astrology is clearly documented and I wish they have courage to put a challenge based on that. Like other sciences, research is going on in astrology with an attempt to improve our predictive knowledge and like scientists we wish that we will be able to predict winning seat some day. But if astrologers can not predict winning-seats, it should not mean that astrology is blind-faith. To conclude, They should stop fooling the society by throwing such ridiculous challenge s.  People should also be careful with such fraudulent challenges. > > > > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Vishram Deshpande wrote: > > >  > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > >  > > There is a news in Mumbai Mirror (supplement of Times of India) dated 16th Oct, 09 which attracted me & made me think to put it in the forum for information of all. > > >  > > A rationalist group, " Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti " (known as ANS) has announced a reward of Rs 21 Lakh to any astrologer who can predict correctly result of the 13th Oct, 09 Assembly elections. The participants will have to explain scientifically how they have arrived to that conclusion. There is no restriction on what type of astrology one uses. Only the thing is that the astrology used must be based on planetary positions. > > >  > > Participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. > > >  > > ANS has Rs 30 lakh in SBI A/C No. 606265 & astrologers don't have to worry whether they will really be paid after winning. (This is what given in paper) Name of the group is in Marathi & the meaning is " Committee for removal of blind faith " > > >  > > I am not a member of ANS & strongly believe in astrology. Most probably the ANS group is based in Pune & our group members who are from Pune can get the details of contact numbers etc easily from local nws papers. I request the Pune members to help accordingly. > > >  > > Wish you all very best of luck ! > >  > > Vishram Deshpande > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  >  > > > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! >  > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. 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Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Dear Sir, Thank you very much for the exact information you posted at exact time when it was really required. Due to some references in current posts many of us (including me) must be thinking to adopt some of the rules in Ashtakvarga System & mix it with the KP system. This could have made big confusions amongst the KP astrologers. Your few lines mean a lot. I request all KP lovers to stick to one system at a time. What our Guruji KSK has given us through the "KP Readers" is far more than enough & we must not need to take help from some other systems. I have read some of the KP Readers for so many times & I realised that every time I got something more than what I had got at the previous readings. In my opinion, when one goes wrong in predicting, blame dosen't go to the system but to the astrologer who falls short in understanding the system. Thank you so much again. Vishram Deshpande TW <tw853 Sent: Tue, 20 October, 2009 6:14:25 PM Re: ASTAKWARG SYSTEM AND PREDICTIONS Dear Friends,1. Ashtakavarga is nothing to do with KP. Krushna's Ashtakavarga System is entirely different from KP and it's easy for Krushna's Ashtakavarga top experts to follow KP analysis here in this group but not easy for us to follow KAS in their group. Krushna's Antara period division is also different from our standard Antara and Sookshma.2. Krushna's Ayanamsa is around 1 deg less than Lahiri Ayanamsa. Every game has its own rule, similarly each system has its own ayanamsa to apply. It's better not mix up.Regards,TW@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends,> As traditional astakwarg followers are failed in numbers. but Mr. Krushna from Satara, Maharashtra has developed special astakwarg method which enables us to timing of event. The lessons and experiments can be had at "http://krushna. sageasita. com/" .> They have developed their own software from which all shodashvarg kundlies to show the results towards Astakvarg. > In my previous postings regarding UPCHAYA STHANAS the same theme has elaborated by Krushnaji firstly. No doubt information regarding upchaya sthanas is available. but new dimension of upchaya sthanas and as well as why and how vishotari dasa system runs and the years allocated to each planet is itself elaborated by Krushnaji. As far as Guru is concerned, we know Guru is considered as the most benefic planet as it is having max. benefic points in astakwarg and the Mars and Shani is having as compared to Guru less benefic points in astakwarg thatswhy Mars, Shani is termed as malefic planets. It is his finding that lord of 8th house from the house we consider will be the natural karak for that house. I had given information regarding this in my last post. Suppose we have to consider marriage. marriage is to be considered from 7th house. Here 8th house from 7th is Tauras and the lord of Taurs is Shukra and it isthe natural karaka for marriage. > Another finding of Shri Krushnaji is " if any planet in any house is having more than 4 benefic points in astakwarg, other planet aspecting that house will weaken its strength. and if any planet in any house is having les than 4 benefic points, other planets aspecting that house will strengthen its strength by deducting benefic points from 8.> As far Marriage event time finding is concerned, Krushnaji is of the opinion and he and his followers have tried in thousands of cases and proved that the marriages will have to happened in the Bhukti of lord of or occupant of 4 or 12.> Krushna's Astakvarg programme is available on Excel sheet. Especially Astakwarg is considered the best for identifying the auspiciousness of the day. In general, astakwarg is more realistic results in transit. Suppose, one runs DBAs favourable, but the astakwarg points on that specific period is less, then the event may not happened or if happened the quality of that event will not be as we expect from strength of DBAS in KP system.> Another difference in Krushna's Astakwarg and General Astakwarg system is that Shri Krushnaji adopts zero date for ayananamash is 22 february 366 as suggested by his Guruji. Thatswhy the long.of planets as wsell as cusps are different in thier system. > They use the general principle we use i.e. for timing of event, they consider the transit of Sun in the 27 constellations. They consider this as the PROBABLE DATE FINDER (PDF)> I request all of us to go through it and study it and it can be used as the subsidiary to KP system then the results of KP system will increased in qualitative and quantitative manner. It is upto all whether to accept or not.> Punitji, I request you what would be corresponding difference if we use our KP ayanamshas and we use 24th of February 366 as the zero date for ayanamshas and in time how much it comes. Suppose the time of birth is 11.00 am on 20.10.2009. What would be the time of birth if we apply 24th February 366 as the zero date, if this corelation is received some KP facts can be reverified for the efficacy of improvement as well as to prove to the world.> With regards> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur> Cell No. +91 9422582853/96737463 03> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:12:50 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Rao,>  > Can you please explain with example how you do general reading on a particular house using Ashtakvarga?> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Rao Tammiraju wrote:> >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagarji,>  >  I am a silent participant in the group. i am a practicing remedial astrologer stationed at Hyderabad. i read your mail on asthakavarga and it is very interesting. i also follow asthakavarga theory propounded by BV.Raman for getting a general reading on a particular house it is very useful and it is very accurate. .sometimes, for a brief reading i am using asthakavarga only and it is giving accurate results.> >  > your mail is very interesting. Now a days very few astrologer are using asthakavarga theory. I dont know about sungress chart and libra month. can yoou please kindly explain in detail the pattern followed by you in this regard, for which act of kindness i shall be very obliged to you.> >  > with regars and best wishes> T.R.RAO > --- On Mon, 19/10/09, Punit Pandey wrote:> > Punit Pandey > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> @. ..: Monday, 19 October, 2009, 12:10 AM>  > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji,>  > Thanks for your response. Your applications of ashtakvarga is very interesting. My experience with ashtakvarga is not very good and hence I do not use it at all. I tried ashtakvarga many times in the past on natal horoscopes and results were never satisfactory. > >  > Anyways, your email still doesn't answer both of my questions ->  > 1. There are elections in three states. The solar month will remain same. How you will use this method in that case?> 2. How you calculated 38 seats for MNS?> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Sagar S wrote:> > >  > > > > > > > > > Dear PunitYes, it is unbelievable but it is my experience and success.My first case was 1984 and my prediction was 87.5% favor for thr the ruling party congress and result was 419 seats for the ruling government.> in 1985 i had predicted AGP MLA?MP seats with very accurate and i sent the same to Planets and forecast, the editor Mr.Nimai Banerji write me congradulation for the same.Pakistan peoples party victory and farmation of the same was predicted.> Slilanka polls was predicted.In the recent i had predicted Manmohan singh will become PM for 2nd term with 272/273 seats , i had predicted it on 5th September 2008 that is 8 months before even before the polls date was announced.> Any one can predict with the help of Benefic dots of Jupiter for the perticular month.sun ingress time chart.4th house signifies opposition,10th house signifies Ruling Government.8 benefic dots will be the highest and 8 equals to 100 or total number of seats.> 4th house jupiter benefic dots and 10th house jupiter benefic dots to be added and then we have to calculate percentage for the same.for ex:4th house had 6 benefic dots and 10th house had 8 benefic dots = 14 6X288> --------14     =hence opp will get 123 seats and Ruling party will get 164 seats.In maharashtra polls Libra month 4th and 10th had 7 benefic dots of Jupiter hence 14 that is 50% for both RP and OPP party.> 288 seats 50% is 144 seats.so RP anf OPP sill secure 144 seats.I hope i have explained as per my experience.ofcourse now a days i am not keen interenct in doing all these works becoming losing interest in all these.> Thanks and regardsSahhasra Saagara> > > > > > > Punit Pandey > @gro ups.com> > > Sat, 17 October, 2009 4:53:10 PM > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> > >  > > > Dear Sagar ji, >  They say "one swallow does not make a summer". Not too long, we struggled predicting correct time of marriage. Forum archive can give good hint of general success and failure. In such a situation a claim like "Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations" seems too tall a claim to me.>  Anyways, I have a suggestion to test your rule. Why don't you go and predict results of all three state elections. It will give use at least three test cases and give us some indication of success percentage. The success percentage that you are claiming (20 out of 24 i.e. more than 83%) should be good enough to make it a rule, if proven. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> Punit Pandey> PS: Please do not take it as an attempt to belittle any rule or knowledge. But as an astrologer, the point made as well as success claimed are hard to believe for me. > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sagar S wrote:> > >  > > > > > > > Hi> Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations. So many scholors have proved it.>  > BPHS/Brihit Jatakhakya/other astrological texts has given many points how to analyse in what way.only thing is we have to understand the same and implement with care.>  > Number of seats for each party can be predict through Benefic dots and percentage of seats.>  > In the past i have predicted number of seats for ruling party and opposition party in general. I got succeed in 20 cases out of 24 cases.>  > recently i have predicted (after a very long time) on 5th September 2008 itself that Mr.Manmohan singh will be the PM for 2nd term, 16th May 2009 will be the day of Manmohan singh and Ruling party will get 272/273 seats and will farm the Government.> >  > Counting date was 16th May 2009, total number of seats were 274 when the Ruling party farmed the Government on 22nd May 2009.>  > http://churumuri. wordpress. com/2007/ 11/12/say- hello-to- the-famous- astrologer- kn-somayaji/> > · Sahhasra Saagara Says: 5 September 2008 at 12:25 am > >  > Regards> Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > > Ramani > @gro ups.com> > > Fri, 16 October, 2009 7:52:59 PMFW: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> > >  > > > > > Deae Sri Punit Pandeyji,>  > In my opinion, nothing is impossible in Astrology. In K.P.system itself,> > Shri Kanak Bosmia has written an Article in September, 2007 E.Zine,> finding how many sticks are there in a box with the help of RP & horary> > No. Even in KP Reader, I remember to have read about how many letters in the bag. Somr Articles also appearen In KP Astrology annual> > or monthly on this subject. Can’t we apply this method to find out how> many seats eaxh party will win out of those No.s for wich they contested?> >  > Truly yours,>  > K.S.V.Ramani >  > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey > 16 October 2009 15:42@gro ups.com > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> > > >  >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Deshpande ji and Friends,> >  > > This email clearly shows ignorance of "Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti." It shows that they are trying to create confusion in public's mind by announcing such an award. Now see the statement. They say "participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. "> > >  > > Now I wonder where does astrology claim that astrology can predict number of seats won by each major party? There is no rule in any astrology classic whether it is Brihat Jatak, BPHS or KP readers and any other astrology book. > > >  > > > > > This is like asking medical science to show they can cure AIDS patient otherwise they will assume that medical science is blind-faith.> > >  > > > > > This is like asking astronomers to show them landing a rocket on Sun otherwise they will assume astronomy and physics as blind-faith.> > >  > > This is absolutely ridiculous. > >  > > > > > Like astronomy / physics / medical science, astrology also has limitations. In fact, every science has limitations and that is the reason science is serviving / researching. What can be predicted by astrology is clearly documented and I wish they have courage to put a challenge based on that. Like other sciences, research is going on in astrology with an attempt to improve our predictive knowledge and like scientists we wish that we will be able to predict winning seat some day. But if astrologers can not predict winning-seats, it should not mean that astrology is blind-faith. To conclude, They should stop fooling the society by throwing such ridiculous challenge s.  People should also be careful with such fraudulent challenges. > > > > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Vishram Deshpande wrote:> > >  > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,> >  > > There is a news in Mumbai Mirror (supplement of Times of India) dated 16th Oct, 09 which attracted me & made me think to put it in the forum for information of all.> > >  > > A rationalist group, "Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti" (known as ANS) has announced a reward of Rs 21 Lakh to any astrologer who can predict correctly result of the 13th Oct, 09 Assembly elections. The participants will have to explain scientifically how they have arrived to that conclusion. There is no restriction on what type of astrology one uses. Only the thing is that the astrology used must be based on planetary positions.> > >  > > Participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. > > >  > > ANS has Rs 30 lakh in SBI A/C No. 606265 & astrologers don't have to worry whether they will really be paid after winning. (This is what given in paper) Name of the group is in Marathi & the meaning is "Committee for removal of blind faith"> > >  > > I am not a member of ANS & strongly believe in astrology. Most probably the ANS group is based in Pune & our group members who are from Pune can get the details of contact numbers etc easily from local nws papers. I request the Pune members to help accordingly.> > >  > > Wish you all very best of luck !> >  > > Vishram Deshpande > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  >  > > > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! >  > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. 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Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Hi With the help of ashtakavarga date of death/longivity can be predicted and i got succeeded in only one case, but now i am not having details. Sahhasra Saagara Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande Sent: Tue, 20 October, 2009 6:58:57 PMRe: Re: ASTAKWARG SYSTEM AND PREDICTIONS Dear Sir, Thank you very much for the exact information you posted at exact time when it was really required. Due to some references in current posts many of us (including me) must be thinking to adopt some of the rules in Ashtakvarga System & mix it with the KP system. This could have made big confusions amongst the KP astrologers. Your few lines mean a lot. I request all KP lovers to stick to one system at a time. What our Guruji KSK has given us through the "KP Readers" is far more than enough & we must not need to take help from some other systems. I have read some of the KP Readers for so many times & I realised that every time I got something more than what I had got at the previous readings. In my opinion, when one goes wrong in predicting, blame dosen't go to the system but to the astrologer who falls short in understanding the system. Thank you so much again. Vishram Deshpande TW <tw853 >@gro ups.comTue, 20 October, 2009 6:14:25 PM Re: ASTAKWARG SYSTEM AND PREDICTIONS Dear Friends,1. Ashtakavarga is nothing to do with KP. Krushna's Ashtakavarga System is entirely different from KP and it's easy for Krushna's Ashtakavarga top experts to follow KP analysis here in this group but not easy for us to follow KAS in their group. Krushna's Antara period division is also different from our standard Antara and Sookshma.2. Krushna's Ayanamsa is around 1 deg less than Lahiri Ayanamsa. Every game has its own rule, similarly each system has its own ayanamsa to apply. It's better not mix up.Regards,TW@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends,> As traditional astakwarg followers are failed in numbers. but Mr. Krushna from Satara, Maharashtra has developed special astakwarg method which enables us to timing of event. The lessons and experiments can be had at "http://krushna. sageasita. com/" .> They have developed their own software from which all shodashvarg kundlies to show the results towards Astakvarg. > In my previous postings regarding UPCHAYA STHANAS the same theme has elaborated by Krushnaji firstly. No doubt information regarding upchaya sthanas is available. but new dimension of upchaya sthanas and as well as why and how vishotari dasa system runs and the years allocated to each planet is itself elaborated by Krushnaji. As far as Guru is concerned, we know Guru is considered as the most benefic planet as it is having max. benefic points in astakwarg and the Mars and Shani is having as compared to Guru less benefic points in astakwarg thatswhy Mars, Shani is termed as malefic planets. It is his finding that lord of 8th house from the house we consider will be the natural karak for that house. I had given information regarding this in my last post. Suppose we have to consider marriage. marriage is to be considered from 7th house. Here 8th house from 7th is Tauras and the lord of Taurs is Shukra and it isthe natural karaka for marriage. > Another finding of Shri Krushnaji is " if any planet in any house is having more than 4 benefic points in astakwarg, other planet aspecting that house will weaken its strength. and if any planet in any house is having les than 4 benefic points, other planets aspecting that house will strengthen its strength by deducting benefic points from 8.> As far Marriage event time finding is concerned, Krushnaji is of the opinion and he and his followers have tried in thousands of cases and proved that the marriages will have to happened in the Bhukti of lord of or occupant of 4 or 12.> Krushna's Astakvarg programme is available on Excel sheet. Especially Astakwarg is considered the best for identifying the auspiciousness of the day. In general, astakwarg is more realistic results in transit. Suppose, one runs DBAs favourable, but the astakwarg points on that specific period is less, then the event may not happened or if happened the quality of that event will not be as we expect from strength of DBAS in KP system.> Another difference in Krushna's Astakwarg and General Astakwarg system is that Shri Krushnaji adopts zero date for ayananamash is 22 february 366 as suggested by his Guruji. Thatswhy the long.of planets as wsell as cusps are different in thier system. > They use the general principle we use i.e. for timing of event, they consider the transit of Sun in the 27 constellations. They consider this as the PROBABLE DATE FINDER (PDF)> I request all of us to go through it and study it and it can be used as the subsidiary to KP system then the results of KP system will increased in qualitative and quantitative manner. It is upto all whether to accept or not.> Punitji, I request you what would be corresponding difference if we use our KP ayanamshas and we use 24th of February 366 as the zero date for ayanamshas and in time how much it comes. Suppose the time of birth is 11.00 am on 20.10.2009. What would be the time of birth if we apply 24th February 366 as the zero date, if this corelation is received some KP facts can be reverified for the efficacy of improvement as well as to prove to the world.> With regards> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur> Cell No. +91 9422582853/96737463 03> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:12:50 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Rao,>  > Can you please explain with example how you do general reading on a particular house using Ashtakvarga?> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Rao Tammiraju wrote:> >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagarji,>  >  I am a silent participant in the group. i am a practicing remedial astrologer stationed at Hyderabad. i read your mail on asthakavarga and it is very interesting. i also follow asthakavarga theory propounded by BV.Raman for getting a general reading on a particular house it is very useful and it is very accurate. .sometimes, for a brief reading i am using asthakavarga only and it is giving accurate results.> >  > your mail is very interesting. Now a days very few astrologer are using asthakavarga theory. I dont know about sungress chart and libra month. can yoou please kindly explain in detail the pattern followed by you in this regard, for which act of kindness i shall be very obliged to you.> >  > with regars and best wishes> T.R.RAO > --- On Mon, 19/10/09, Punit Pandey wrote:> > Punit Pandey > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> @. ..: Monday, 19 October, 2009, 12:10 AM>  > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji,>  > Thanks for your response. Your applications of ashtakvarga is very interesting. My experience with ashtakvarga is not very good and hence I do not use it at all. I tried ashtakvarga many times in the past on natal horoscopes and results were never satisfactory. > >  > Anyways, your email still doesn't answer both of my questions ->  > 1. There are elections in three states. The solar month will remain same. How you will use this method in that case?> 2. How you calculated 38 seats for MNS?> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Sagar S wrote:> > >  > > > > > > > > > Dear PunitYes, it is unbelievable but it is my experience and success.My first case was 1984 and my prediction was 87.5% favor for thr the ruling party congress and result was 419 seats for the ruling government.> in 1985 i had predicted AGP MLA?MP seats with very accurate and i sent the same to Planets and forecast, the editor Mr.Nimai Banerji write me congradulation for the same.Pakistan peoples party victory and farmation of the same was predicted.> Slilanka polls was predicted.In the recent i had predicted Manmohan singh will become PM for 2nd term with 272/273 seats , i had predicted it on 5th September 2008 that is 8 months before even before the polls date was announced.> Any one can predict with the help of Benefic dots of Jupiter for the perticular month.sun ingress time chart.4th house signifies opposition,10th house signifies Ruling Government.8 benefic dots will be the highest and 8 equals to 100 or total number of seats.> 4th house jupiter benefic dots and 10th house jupiter benefic dots to be added and then we have to calculate percentage for the same.for ex:4th house had 6 benefic dots and 10th house had 8 benefic dots = 14 6X288> --------14     =hence opp will get 123 seats and Ruling party will get 164 seats.In maharashtra polls Libra month 4th and 10th had 7 benefic dots of Jupiter hence 14 that is 50% for both RP and OPP party.> 288 seats 50% is 144 seats.so RP anf OPP sill secure 144 seats.I hope i have explained as per my experience.ofcourse now a days i am not keen interenct in doing all these works becoming losing interest in all these.> Thanks and regardsSahhasra Saagara> > > > > > > Punit Pandey > @gro ups.com> > > Sat, 17 October, 2009 4:53:10 PM > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> > >  > > > Dear Sagar ji, >  They say "one swallow does not make a summer". Not too long, we struggled predicting correct time of marriage. Forum archive can give good hint of general success and failure. In such a situation a claim like "Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations" seems too tall a claim to me.>  Anyways, I have a suggestion to test your rule. Why don't you go and predict results of all three state elections. It will give use at least three test cases and give us some indication of success percentage. The success percentage that you are claiming (20 out of 24 i.e. more than 83%) should be good enough to make it a rule, if proven. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> Punit Pandey> PS: Please do not take it as an attempt to belittle any rule or knowledge. But as an astrologer, the point made as well as success claimed are hard to believe for me. > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sagar S wrote:> > >  > > > > > > > Hi> Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations. So many scholors have proved it.>  > BPHS/Brihit Jatakhakya/other astrological texts has given many points how to analyse in what way.only thing is we have to understand the same and implement with care.>  > Number of seats for each party can be predict through Benefic dots and percentage of seats.>  > In the past i have predicted number of seats for ruling party and opposition party in general. I got succeed in 20 cases out of 24 cases.>  > recently i have predicted (after a very long time) on 5th September 2008 itself that Mr.Manmohan singh will be the PM for 2nd term, 16th May 2009 will be the day of Manmohan singh and Ruling party will get 272/273 seats and will farm the Government.> >  > Counting date was 16th May 2009, total number of seats were 274 when the Ruling party farmed the Government on 22nd May 2009.>  > http://churumuri. wordpress. com/2007/ 11/12/say- hello-to- the-famous- astrologer- kn-somayaji/> > · Sahhasra Saagara Says: 5 September 2008 at 12:25 am > >  > Regards> Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > > Ramani > @gro ups.com> > > Fri, 16 October, 2009 7:52:59 PMFW: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> > >  > > > > > Deae Sri Punit Pandeyji,>  > In my opinion, nothing is impossible in Astrology. In K.P.system itself,> > Shri Kanak Bosmia has written an Article in September, 2007 E.Zine,> finding how many sticks are there in a box with the help of RP & horary> > No. Even in KP Reader, I remember to have read about how many letters in the bag. Somr Articles also appearen In KP Astrology annual> > or monthly on this subject. Can’t we apply this method to find out how> many seats eaxh party will win out of those No.s for wich they contested?> >  > Truly yours,>  > K.S.V.Ramani >  > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey > 16 October 2009 15:42@gro ups.com > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> > > >  >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Deshpande ji and Friends,> >  > > This email clearly shows ignorance of "Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti." It shows that they are trying to create confusion in public's mind by announcing such an award. Now see the statement. They say "participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. "> > >  > > Now I wonder where does astrology claim that astrology can predict number of seats won by each major party? There is no rule in any astrology classic whether it is Brihat Jatak, BPHS or KP readers and any other astrology book. > > >  > > > > > This is like asking medical science to show they can cure AIDS patient otherwise they will assume that medical science is blind-faith.> > >  > > > > > This is like asking astronomers to show them landing a rocket on Sun otherwise they will assume astronomy and physics as blind-faith.> > >  > > This is absolutely ridiculous. > >  > > > > > Like astronomy / physics / medical science, astrology also has limitations. In fact, every science has limitations and that is the reason science is serviving / researching. What can be predicted by astrology is clearly documented and I wish they have courage to put a challenge based on that. Like other sciences, research is going on in astrology with an attempt to improve our predictive knowledge and like scientists we wish that we will be able to predict winning seat some day. But if astrologers can not predict winning-seats, it should not mean that astrology is blind-faith. To conclude, They should stop fooling the society by throwing such ridiculous challenge s.  People should also be careful with such fraudulent challenges. > > > > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Vishram Deshpande wrote:> > >  > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,> >  > > There is a news in Mumbai Mirror (supplement of Times of India) dated 16th Oct, 09 which attracted me & made me think to put it in the forum for information of all.> > >  > > A rationalist group, "Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti" (known as ANS) has announced a reward of Rs 21 Lakh to any astrologer who can predict correctly result of the 13th Oct, 09 Assembly elections. The participants will have to explain scientifically how they have arrived to that conclusion. There is no restriction on what type of astrology one uses. Only the thing is that the astrology used must be based on planetary positions.> > >  > > Participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. > > >  > > ANS has Rs 30 lakh in SBI A/C No. 606265 & astrologers don't have to worry whether they will really be paid after winning. (This is what given in paper) Name of the group is in Marathi & the meaning is "Committee for removal of blind faith"> > >  > > I am not a member of ANS & strongly believe in astrology. Most probably the ANS group is based in Pune & our group members who are from Pune can get the details of contact numbers etc easily from local nws papers. I request the Pune members to help accordingly.> > >  > > Wish you all very best of luck !> >  > > Vishram Deshpande > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  >  > > > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! >  > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. 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Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Hi KSK ji expressed his doubt of considering ashtakvarga for sign or for cusp. I too was in the same confussion but for the first time i just applied for sign wise and found accuracy in the same. ofcourse research neede in the same for more accurate predictions. Regards Sahhsra saagara TW <tw853 Sent: Tue, 20 October, 2009 6:14:25 PM Re: ASTAKWARG SYSTEM AND PREDICTIONS Dear Friends,1. Ashtakavarga is nothing to do with KP. Krushna's Ashtakavarga System is entirely different from KP and it's easy for Krushna's Ashtakavarga top experts to follow KP analysis here in this group but not easy for us to follow KAS in their group. Krushna's Antara period division is also different from our standard Antara and Sookshma.2. Krushna's Ayanamsa is around 1 deg less than Lahiri Ayanamsa. Every game has its own rule, similarly each system has its own ayanamsa to apply. It's better not mix up.Regards,TW@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote:>> Dear friends,> As traditional astakwarg followers are failed in numbers. but Mr. Krushna from Satara, Maharashtra has developed special astakwarg method which enables us to timing of event. The lessons and experiments can be had at "http://krushna. sageasita. com/" .> They have developed their own software from which all shodashvarg kundlies to show the results towards Astakvarg. > In my previous postings regarding UPCHAYA STHANAS the same theme has elaborated by Krushnaji firstly. No doubt information regarding upchaya sthanas is available. but new dimension of upchaya sthanas and as well as why and how vishotari dasa system runs and the years allocated to each planet is itself elaborated by Krushnaji. As far as Guru is concerned, we know Guru is considered as the most benefic planet as it is having max. benefic points in astakwarg and the Mars and Shani is having as compared to Guru less benefic points in astakwarg thatswhy Mars, Shani is termed as malefic planets. It is his finding that lord of 8th house from the house we consider will be the natural karak for that house. I had given information regarding this in my last post. Suppose we have to consider marriage. marriage is to be considered from 7th house. Here 8th house from 7th is Tauras and the lord of Taurs is Shukra and it isthe natural karaka for marriage. > Another finding of Shri Krushnaji is " if any planet in any house is having more than 4 benefic points in astakwarg, other planet aspecting that house will weaken its strength. and if any planet in any house is having les than 4 benefic points, other planets aspecting that house will strengthen its strength by deducting benefic points from 8.> As far Marriage event time finding is concerned, Krushnaji is of the opinion and he and his followers have tried in thousands of cases and proved that the marriages will have to happened in the Bhukti of lord of or occupant of 4 or 12.> Krushna's Astakvarg programme is available on Excel sheet. Especially Astakwarg is considered the best for identifying the auspiciousness of the day. In general, astakwarg is more realistic results in transit. Suppose, one runs DBAs favourable, but the astakwarg points on that specific period is less, then the event may not happened or if happened the quality of that event will not be as we expect from strength of DBAS in KP system.> Another difference in Krushna's Astakwarg and General Astakwarg system is that Shri Krushnaji adopts zero date for ayananamash is 22 february 366 as suggested by his Guruji. Thatswhy the long.of planets as wsell as cusps are different in thier system. > They use the general principle we use i.e. for timing of event, they consider the transit of Sun in the 27 constellations. They consider this as the PROBABLE DATE FINDER (PDF)> I request all of us to go through it and study it and it can be used as the subsidiary to KP system then the results of KP system will increased in qualitative and quantitative manner. It is upto all whether to accept or not.> Punitji, I request you what would be corresponding difference if we use our KP ayanamshas and we use 24th of February 366 as the zero date for ayanamshas and in time how much it comes. Suppose the time of birth is 11.00 am on 20.10.2009. What would be the time of birth if we apply 24th February 366 as the zero date, if this corelation is received some KP facts can be reverified for the efficacy of improvement as well as to prove to the world.> With regards> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur> Cell No. +91 9422582853/96737463 03> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:12:50 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Rao,>  > Can you please explain with example how you do general reading on a particular house using Ashtakvarga?> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Rao Tammiraju wrote:> >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagarji,>  >  I am a silent participant in the group. i am a practicing remedial astrologer stationed at Hyderabad. i read your mail on asthakavarga and it is very interesting. i also follow asthakavarga theory propounded by BV.Raman for getting a general reading on a particular house it is very useful and it is very accurate. .sometimes, for a brief reading i am using asthakavarga only and it is giving accurate results.> >  > your mail is very interesting. Now a days very few astrologer are using asthakavarga theory. I dont know about sungress chart and libra month. can yoou please kindly explain in detail the pattern followed by you in this regard, for which act of kindness i shall be very obliged to you.> >  > with regars and best wishes> T.R.RAO > --- On Mon, 19/10/09, Punit Pandey wrote:> > Punit Pandey > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> @. ..: Monday, 19 October, 2009, 12:10 AM>  > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji,>  > Thanks for your response. Your applications of ashtakvarga is very interesting. My experience with ashtakvarga is not very good and hence I do not use it at all. I tried ashtakvarga many times in the past on natal horoscopes and results were never satisfactory. > >  > Anyways, your email still doesn't answer both of my questions ->  > 1. There are elections in three states. The solar month will remain same. How you will use this method in that case?> 2. How you calculated 38 seats for MNS?> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Sagar S wrote:> > >  > > > > > > > > > Dear PunitYes, it is unbelievable but it is my experience and success.My first case was 1984 and my prediction was 87.5% favor for thr the ruling party congress and result was 419 seats for the ruling government.> in 1985 i had predicted AGP MLA?MP seats with very accurate and i sent the same to Planets and forecast, the editor Mr.Nimai Banerji write me congradulation for the same.Pakistan peoples party victory and farmation of the same was predicted.> Slilanka polls was predicted.In the recent i had predicted Manmohan singh will become PM for 2nd term with 272/273 seats , i had predicted it on 5th September 2008 that is 8 months before even before the polls date was announced.> Any one can predict with the help of Benefic dots of Jupiter for the perticular month.sun ingress time chart.4th house signifies opposition,10th house signifies Ruling Government.8 benefic dots will be the highest and 8 equals to 100 or total number of seats.> 4th house jupiter benefic dots and 10th house jupiter benefic dots to be added and then we have to calculate percentage for the same.for ex:4th house had 6 benefic dots and 10th house had 8 benefic dots = 14 6X288> --------14     =hence opp will get 123 seats and Ruling party will get 164 seats.In maharashtra polls Libra month 4th and 10th had 7 benefic dots of Jupiter hence 14 that is 50% for both RP and OPP party.> 288 seats 50% is 144 seats.so RP anf OPP sill secure 144 seats.I hope i have explained as per my experience.ofcourse now a days i am not keen interenct in doing all these works becoming losing interest in all these.> Thanks and regardsSahhasra Saagara> > > > > > > Punit Pandey > @gro ups.com> > > Sat, 17 October, 2009 4:53:10 PM > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> > >  > > > Dear Sagar ji, >  They say "one swallow does not make a summer". Not too long, we struggled predicting correct time of marriage. Forum archive can give good hint of general success and failure. In such a situation a claim like "Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations" seems too tall a claim to me.>  Anyways, I have a suggestion to test your rule. Why don't you go and predict results of all three state elections. It will give use at least three test cases and give us some indication of success percentage. The success percentage that you are claiming (20 out of 24 i.e. more than 83%) should be good enough to make it a rule, if proven. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> Punit Pandey> PS: Please do not take it as an attempt to belittle any rule or knowledge. But as an astrologer, the point made as well as success claimed are hard to believe for me. > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sagar S wrote:> > >  > > > > > > > Hi> Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations. So many scholors have proved it.>  > BPHS/Brihit Jatakhakya/other astrological texts has given many points how to analyse in what way.only thing is we have to understand the same and implement with care.>  > Number of seats for each party can be predict through Benefic dots and percentage of seats.>  > In the past i have predicted number of seats for ruling party and opposition party in general. I got succeed in 20 cases out of 24 cases.>  > recently i have predicted (after a very long time) on 5th September 2008 itself that Mr.Manmohan singh will be the PM for 2nd term, 16th May 2009 will be the day of Manmohan singh and Ruling party will get 272/273 seats and will farm the Government.> >  > Counting date was 16th May 2009, total number of seats were 274 when the Ruling party farmed the Government on 22nd May 2009.>  > http://churumuri. wordpress. com/2007/ 11/12/say- hello-to- the-famous- astrologer- kn-somayaji/> > · Sahhasra Saagara Says: 5 September 2008 at 12:25 am > >  > Regards> Sahhasra Saagara> > > > > > Ramani > @gro ups.com> > > Fri, 16 October, 2009 7:52:59 PMFW: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> > >  > > > > > Deae Sri Punit Pandeyji,>  > In my opinion, nothing is impossible in Astrology. In K.P.system itself,> > Shri Kanak Bosmia has written an Article in September, 2007 E.Zine,> finding how many sticks are there in a box with the help of RP & horary> > No. Even in KP Reader, I remember to have read about how many letters in the bag. Somr Articles also appearen In KP Astrology annual> > or monthly on this subject. Can’t we apply this method to find out how> many seats eaxh party will win out of those No.s for wich they contested?> >  > Truly yours,>  > K.S.V.Ramani >  > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey > 16 October 2009 15:42@gro ups.com > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/-> > > >  >  > > > > > > > > > Dear Deshpande ji and Friends,> >  > > This email clearly shows ignorance of "Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti." It shows that they are trying to create confusion in public's mind by announcing such an award. Now see the statement. They say "participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. "> > >  > > Now I wonder where does astrology claim that astrology can predict number of seats won by each major party? There is no rule in any astrology classic whether it is Brihat Jatak, BPHS or KP readers and any other astrology book. > > >  > > > > > This is like asking medical science to show they can cure AIDS patient otherwise they will assume that medical science is blind-faith.> > >  > > > > > This is like asking astronomers to show them landing a rocket on Sun otherwise they will assume astronomy and physics as blind-faith.> > >  > > This is absolutely ridiculous. > >  > > > > > Like astronomy / physics / medical science, astrology also has limitations. In fact, every science has limitations and that is the reason science is serviving / researching. What can be predicted by astrology is clearly documented and I wish they have courage to put a challenge based on that. Like other sciences, research is going on in astrology with an attempt to improve our predictive knowledge and like scientists we wish that we will be able to predict winning seat some day. But if astrologers can not predict winning-seats, it should not mean that astrology is blind-faith. To conclude, They should stop fooling the society by throwing such ridiculous challenge s.  People should also be careful with such fraudulent challenges. > > > > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Vishram Deshpande wrote:> > >  > > > > > > Dear Astrologers,> >  > > There is a news in Mumbai Mirror (supplement of Times of India) dated 16th Oct, 09 which attracted me & made me think to put it in the forum for information of all.> > >  > > A rationalist group, "Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti" (known as ANS) has announced a reward of Rs 21 Lakh to any astrologer who can predict correctly result of the 13th Oct, 09 Assembly elections. The participants will have to explain scientifically how they have arrived to that conclusion. There is no restriction on what type of astrology one uses. Only the thing is that the astrology used must be based on planetary positions.> > >  > > Participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. > > >  > > ANS has Rs 30 lakh in SBI A/C No. 606265 & astrologers don't have to worry whether they will really be paid after winning. (This is what given in paper) Name of the group is in Marathi & the meaning is "Committee for removal of blind faith"> > >  > > I am not a member of ANS & strongly believe in astrology. Most probably the ANS group is based in Pune & our group members who are from Pune can get the details of contact numbers etc easily from local nws papers. I request the Pune members to help accordingly.> > >  > > Wish you all very best of luck !> >  > > Vishram Deshpande > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  >  > > > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! >  > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. 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Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Dear Friends, Here is Guruji KSK's view. /message/18458 Regards, TW , Sagar S <ssagar86 wrote: > > Hi > KSK ji expressed his doubt of considering ashtakvarga for sign or for cusp. > I too was in the same confussion but for the first time i just applied for sign wise and found accuracy in the same. > ofcourse research neede in the same for more accurate predictions. > Regards > Sahhsra saagara > > > ________________________________ > TW <tw853 > > Tue, 20 October, 2009 6:14:25 PM > Re: ASTAKWARG SYSTEM AND PREDICTIONS > >  > Dear Friends, > 1. Ashtakavarga is nothing to do with KP. Krushna's Ashtakavarga System is entirely different from KP and it's easy for Krushna's Ashtakavarga top experts to follow KP analysis here in this group but not easy for us to follow KAS in their group. Krushna's Antara period division is also different from our standard Antara and Sookshma. > 2. Krushna's Ayanamsa is around 1 deg less than Lahiri Ayanamsa. Every game has its own rule, similarly each system has its own ayanamsa to apply. It's better not mix up. > Regards, > TW > > @gro ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > As traditional astakwarg followers are failed in numbers. but Mr. Krushna from Satara, Maharashtra has developed special astakwarg method which enables us to timing of event. The lessons and experiments can be had at " http://krushna. sageasita. com/ " . > > They have developed their own software from which all shodashvarg kundlies to show the results towards Astakvarg. > > In my previous postings regarding UPCHAYA STHANAS the same theme has elaborated by Krushnaji firstly. No doubt information regarding upchaya sthanas is available. but new dimension of upchaya sthanas and as well as why and how vishotari dasa system runs and the years allocated to each planet is itself elaborated by Krushnaji. As far as Guru is concerned, we know Guru is considered as the most benefic planet as it is having max. benefic points in astakwarg and the Mars and Shani is having as compared to Guru less benefic points in astakwarg thatswhy Mars, Shani is termed as malefic planets. It is his finding that lord of 8th house from the house we consider will be the natural karak for that house. I had given information regarding this in my last post. Suppose we have to consider marriage. marriage is to be considered from 7th house. Here 8th house from 7th is Tauras and the lord of Taurs is Shukra and it isthe natural karaka for marriage. > > Another finding of Shri Krushnaji is " if any planet in any house is having more than 4 benefic points in astakwarg, other planet aspecting that house will weaken its strength. and if any planet in any house is having les than 4 benefic points, other planets aspecting that house will strengthen its strength by deducting benefic points from 8. > > As far Marriage event time finding is concerned, Krushnaji is of the opinion and he and his followers have tried in thousands of cases and proved that the marriages will have to happened in the Bhukti of lord of or occupant of 4 or 12. > > Krushna's Astakvarg programme is available on Excel sheet. Especially Astakwarg is considered the best for identifying the auspiciousness of the day. In general, astakwarg is more realistic results in transit. Suppose, one runs DBAs favourable, but the astakwarg points on that specific period is less, then the event may not happened or if happened the quality of that event will not be as we expect from strength of DBAS in KP system. > > Another difference in Krushna's Astakwarg and General Astakwarg system is that Shri Krushnaji adopts zero date for ayananamash is 22 february 366 as suggested by his Guruji. Thatswhy the long.of planets as wsell as cusps are different in thier system. > > They use the general principle we use i.e. for timing of event, they consider the transit of Sun in the 27 constellations. They consider this as the PROBABLE DATE FINDER (PDF) > > I request all of us to go through it and study it and it can be used as the subsidiary to KP system then the results of KP system will increased in qualitative and quantitative manner. It is upto all whether to accept or not. > > Punitji, I request you what would be corresponding difference if we use our KP ayanamshas and we use 24th of February 366 as the zero date for ayanamshas and in time how much it comes. Suppose the time of birth is 11.00 am on 20.10.2009. What would be the time of birth if we apply 24th February 366 as the zero date, if this corelation is received some KP facts can be reverified for the efficacy of improvement as well as to prove to the world. > > With regards > > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur > > Cell No. +91 9422582853/96737463 03 > > write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ... > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:12:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Rao, > >  > > Can you please explain with example how you do general reading on a particular house using Ashtakvarga? > > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Rao Tammiraju wrote: > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagarji, > >  > >  I am a silent participant in the group. i am a practicing remedial astrologer stationed at Hyderabad. i read your mail on asthakavarga and it is very interesting. i also follow asthakavarga theory propounded by BV.Raman for getting a general reading on a particular house it is very useful and it is very accurate. .sometimes, for a brief reading i am using asthakavarga only and it is giving accurate results. > > > >  > > your mail is very interesting. Now a days very few astrologer are using asthakavarga theory. I dont know about sungress chart and libra month. can yoou please kindly explain in detail the pattern followed by you in this regard, for which act of kindness i shall be very obliged to you. > > > >  > > with regars and best wishes > > T.R.RAO > > --- On Mon, 19/10/09, Punit Pandey wrote: > > > > Punit Pandey > > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > @ ..: Monday, 19 October, 2009, 12:10 AM > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji, > >  > > Thanks for your response. Your applications of ashtakvarga is very interesting. My experience with ashtakvarga is not very good and hence I do not use it at all. I tried ashtakvarga many times in the past on natal horoscopes and results were never satisfactory. > > > >  > > Anyways, your email still doesn't answer both of my questions - > >  > > 1. There are elections in three states. The solar month will remain same. How you will use this method in that case? > > 2. How you calculated 38 seats for MNS? > > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Sagar S wrote: > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear PunitYes, it is unbelievable but it is my experience and success.My first case was 1984 and my prediction was 87.5% favor for thr the ruling party congress and result was 419 seats for the ruling government. > > in 1985 i had predicted AGP MLA?MP seats with very accurate and i sent the same to Planets and forecast, the editor Mr.Nimai Banerji write me congradulation for the same.Pakistan peoples party victory and farmation of the same was predicted. > > Slilanka polls was predicted.In the recent i had predicted Manmohan singh will become PM for 2nd term with 272/273 seats , i had predicted it on 5th September 2008 that is 8 months before even before the polls date was announced. > > Any one can predict with the help of Benefic dots of Jupiter for the perticular month.sun ingress time chart.4th house signifies opposition,10th house signifies Ruling Government.8 benefic dots will be the highest and 8 equals to 100 or total number of seats. > > 4th house jupiter benefic dots and 10th house jupiter benefic dots to be added and then we have to calculate percentage for the same.for ex:4th house had 6 benefic dots and 10th house had 8 benefic dots = 14 6X288 > > --------14     =hence opp will get 123 seats and Ruling party will get 164 seats.In maharashtra polls Libra month 4th and 10th had 7 benefic dots of Jupiter hence 14 that is 50% for both RP and OPP party. > > 288 seats 50% is 144 seats.so RP anf OPP sill secure 144 seats.I hope i have explained as per my experience.ofcourse now a days i am not keen interenct in doing all these works becoming losing interest in all these. > > Thanks and regardsSahhasra Saagara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > Sat, 17 October, 2009 4:53:10 PM > > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji, > >  They say " one swallow does not make a summer " . Not too long, we struggled predicting correct time of marriage. Forum archive can give good hint of general success and failure. In such a situation a claim like " Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations " seems too tall a claim to me. > >  Anyways, I have a suggestion to test your rule. Why don't you go and predict results of all three state elections. It will give use at least three test cases and give us some indication of success percentage. The success percentage that you are claiming (20 out of 24 i.e. more than 83%) should be good enough to make it a rule, if proven. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > PS: Please do not take it as an attempt to belittle any rule or knowledge. But as an astrologer, the point made as well as success claimed are hard to believe for me. > > > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sagar S wrote: > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations. So many scholors have proved it. > >  > > BPHS/Brihit Jatakhakya/other astrological texts has given many points how to analyse in what way.only thing is we have to understand the same and implement with care. > >  > > Number of seats for each party can be predict through Benefic dots and percentage of seats. > >  > > In the past i have predicted number of seats for ruling party and opposition party in general. I got succeed in 20 cases out of 24 cases. > >  > > recently i have predicted (after a very long time) on 5th September 2008 itself that Mr.Manmohan singh will be the PM for 2nd term, 16th May 2009 will be the day of Manmohan singh and Ruling party will get 272/273 seats and will farm the Government. > > > >  > > Counting date was 16th May 2009, total number of seats were 274 when the Ruling party farmed the Government on 22nd May 2009. > >  > > http://churumuri. wordpress. com/2007/ 11/12/say- hello-to- the-famous- astrologer- kn-somayaji/ > > > > · Sahhasra Saagara Says: 5 September 2008 at 12:25 am > > > >  > > Regards > > Sahhasra Saagara > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramani > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > Fri, 16 October, 2009 7:52:59 PMFW: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Deae Sri Punit Pandeyji, > >  > > In my opinion, nothing is impossible in Astrology. In K.P.system itself, > > > > Shri Kanak Bosmia has written an Article in September, 2007 E.Zine, > > finding how many sticks are there in a box with the help of RP & horary > > > > No. Even in KP Reader, I remember to have read about how many letters in the bag. Somr Articles also appearen In KP Astrology annual > > > > or monthly on this subject. Can’t we apply this method to find out how > > many seats eaxh party will win out of those No.s for wich they contested? > > > >  > > Truly yours, > >  > > K.S.V.Ramani > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey > > 16 October 2009 15:42@gro ups.com > > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > > > > > > >  > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deshpande ji and Friends, > > > >  > > > > This email clearly shows ignorance of " Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti. " It shows that they are trying to create confusion in public's mind by announcing such an award. Now see the statement. They say " participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. " > > > > > >  > > > > Now I wonder where does astrology claim that astrology can predict number of seats won by each major party? There is no rule in any astrology classic whether it is Brihat Jatak, BPHS or KP readers and any other astrology book. > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > This is like asking medical science to show they can cure AIDS patient otherwise they will assume that medical science is blind-faith. > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > This is like asking astronomers to show them landing a rocket on Sun otherwise they will assume astronomy and physics as blind-faith. > > > > > >  > > > > This is absolutely ridiculous. > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Like astronomy / physics / medical science, astrology also has limitations. In fact, every science has limitations and that is the reason science is serviving / researching. What can be predicted by astrology is clearly documented and I wish they have courage to put a challenge based on that. Like other sciences, research is going on in astrology with an attempt to improve our predictive knowledge and like scientists we wish that we will be able to predict winning seat some day. But if astrologers can not predict winning-seats, it should not mean that astrology is blind-faith. To conclude, They should stop fooling the society by throwing such ridiculous challenge s.  People should also be careful with such fraudulent challenges. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Vishram Deshpande wrote: > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > >  > > > > There is a news in Mumbai Mirror (supplement of Times of India) dated 16th Oct, 09 which attracted me & made me think to put it in the forum for information of all. > > > > > >  > > > > A rationalist group, " Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti " (known as ANS) has announced a reward of Rs 21 Lakh to any astrologer who can predict correctly result of the 13th Oct, 09 Assembly elections. The participants will have to explain scientifically how they have arrived to that conclusion. There is no restriction on what type of astrology one uses. Only the thing is that the astrology used must be based on planetary positions. > > > > > >  > > > > Participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. > > > > > >  > > > > ANS has Rs 30 lakh in SBI A/C No. 606265 & astrologers don't have to worry whether they will really be paid after winning. (This is what given in paper) Name of the group is in Marathi & the meaning is " Committee for removal of blind faith " > > > > > >  > > > > I am not a member of ANS & strongly believe in astrology. Most probably the ANS group is based in Pune & our group members who are from Pune can get the details of contact numbers etc easily from local nws papers. I request the Pune members to help accordingly. > > > > > >  > > > > Wish you all very best of luck ! > > > >  > > > > Vishram Deshpande > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > >  > > > > > > > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. 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Guest guest Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 Dear Friends, Here is Guruji KSK's clear view from his speech on 5-7-1967 at Oosmania University... Take Ashtaka Varga. It is the most undepedable method... Twins are born in the same sign with the same position of planets and the ashtaka varga figures also remain the same...Among twins one lives, other dies. One has many children; the other has none...Is it a scientific calculation?...I may request others to do research and make it usefull till that time Ashtaka Varga is useless. It is only to waste time and to fill up 10 pages in a note book. Regards, TW , Sagar S <ssagar86 wrote: > > > > Hi > With the help of ashtakavarga date of death/longivity can be predicted and i got succeeded in only one case, but now i am not having details. > Sahhasra Saagara > > > > ________________________________ > Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande > > Tue, 20 October, 2009 6:58:57 PM > Re: Re: ASTAKWARG SYSTEM AND PREDICTIONS > >  > Dear Sir, >  > Thank you very much for the exact information you posted at exact time when it was really required. Due to some references in current posts many of us (including me) must be thinking to adopt some of the rules in Ashtakvarga System & mix it with the KP system. This could have made big confusions amongst the KP astrologers. Your few lines mean a lot. >  > I request all KP lovers to stick to one system at a time. What our Guruji KSK has given us through the " KP Readers " is far more than enough & we must not need to take help from some other systems. I have read some of the KP Readers for so many times & I realised that every time I got something more than what I had got at the previous readings. In my opinion, when one goes wrong in predicting, blame dosen't go to the system but to the astrologer who falls short in understanding the system. >  > Thank you so much again. >  > Vishram Deshpande > > > > > ________________________________ > TW <tw853 > > @gro ups.com > Tue, 20 October, 2009 6:14:25 PM > Re: ASTAKWARG SYSTEM AND PREDICTIONS > >  > Dear Friends, > 1. Ashtakavarga is nothing to do with KP. Krushna's Ashtakavarga System is entirely different from KP and it's easy for Krushna's Ashtakavarga top experts to follow KP analysis here in this group but not easy for us to follow KAS in their group. Krushna's Antara period division is also different from our standard Antara and Sookshma. > 2. Krushna's Ayanamsa is around 1 deg less than Lahiri Ayanamsa. Every game has its own rule, similarly each system has its own ayanamsa to apply. It's better not mix up. > Regards, > TW > > @gro ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " <guide_ vijayanand@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > As traditional astakwarg followers are failed in numbers. but Mr. Krushna from Satara, Maharashtra has developed special astakwarg method which enables us to timing of event. The lessons and experiments can be had at " http://krushna. sageasita. com/ " . > > They have developed their own software from which all shodashvarg kundlies to show the results towards Astakvarg. > > In my previous postings regarding UPCHAYA STHANAS the same theme has elaborated by Krushnaji firstly. No doubt information regarding upchaya sthanas is available. but new dimension of upchaya sthanas and as well as why and how vishotari dasa system runs and the years allocated to each planet is itself elaborated by Krushnaji. As far as Guru is concerned, we know Guru is considered as the most benefic planet as it is having max. benefic points in astakwarg and the Mars and Shani is having as compared to Guru less benefic points in astakwarg thatswhy Mars, Shani is termed as malefic planets. It is his finding that lord of 8th house from the house we consider will be the natural karak for that house. I had given information regarding this in my last post. Suppose we have to consider marriage. marriage is to be considered from 7th house. Here 8th house from 7th is Tauras and the lord of Taurs is Shukra and it isthe natural karaka for marriage. > > Another finding of Shri Krushnaji is " if any planet in any house is having more than 4 benefic points in astakwarg, other planet aspecting that house will weaken its strength. and if any planet in any house is having les than 4 benefic points, other planets aspecting that house will strengthen its strength by deducting benefic points from 8. > > As far Marriage event time finding is concerned, Krushnaji is of the opinion and he and his followers have tried in thousands of cases and proved that the marriages will have to happened in the Bhukti of lord of or occupant of 4 or 12. > > Krushna's Astakvarg programme is available on Excel sheet. Especially Astakwarg is considered the best for identifying the auspiciousness of the day. In general, astakwarg is more realistic results in transit. Suppose, one runs DBAs favourable, but the astakwarg points on that specific period is less, then the event may not happened or if happened the quality of that event will not be as we expect from strength of DBAS in KP system. > > Another difference in Krushna's Astakwarg and General Astakwarg system is that Shri Krushnaji adopts zero date for ayananamash is 22 february 366 as suggested by his Guruji. Thatswhy the long.of planets as wsell as cusps are different in thier system. > > They use the general principle we use i.e. for timing of event, they consider the transit of Sun in the 27 constellations. They consider this as the PROBABLE DATE FINDER (PDF) > > I request all of us to go through it and study it and it can be used as the subsidiary to KP system then the results of KP system will increased in qualitative and quantitative manner. It is upto all whether to accept or not. > > Punitji, I request you what would be corresponding difference if we use our KP ayanamshas and we use 24th of February 366 as the zero date for ayanamshas and in time how much it comes. Suppose the time of birth is 11.00 am on 20.10.2009. What would be the time of birth if we apply 24th February 366 as the zero date, if this corelation is received some KP facts can be reverified for the efficacy of improvement as well as to prove to the world. > > With regards > > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Society for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur > > Cell No. +91 9422582853/96737463 03 > > write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ... > > > > > > On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:12:50 +0530 wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Rao, > >  > > Can you please explain with example how you do general reading on a particular house using Ashtakvarga? > > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Rao Tammiraju wrote: > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagarji, > >  > >  I am a silent participant in the group. i am a practicing remedial astrologer stationed at Hyderabad. i read your mail on asthakavarga and it is very interesting. i also follow asthakavarga theory propounded by BV.Raman for getting a general reading on a particular house it is very useful and it is very accurate. .sometimes, for a brief reading i am using asthakavarga only and it is giving accurate results. > > > >  > > your mail is very interesting. Now a days very few astrologer are using asthakavarga theory. I dont know about sungress chart and libra month. can yoou please kindly explain in detail the pattern followed by you in this regard, for which act of kindness i shall be very obliged to you. > > > >  > > with regars and best wishes > > T.R.RAO > > --- On Mon, 19/10/09, Punit Pandey wrote: > > > > Punit Pandey > > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > @ ..: Monday, 19 October, 2009, 12:10 AM > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji, > >  > > Thanks for your response. Your applications of ashtakvarga is very interesting. My experience with ashtakvarga is not very good and hence I do not use it at all. I tried ashtakvarga many times in the past on natal horoscopes and results were never satisfactory. > > > >  > > Anyways, your email still doesn't answer both of my questions - > >  > > 1. There are elections in three states. The solar month will remain same. How you will use this method in that case? > > 2. How you calculated 38 seats for MNS? > > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:46 PM, Sagar S wrote: > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear PunitYes, it is unbelievable but it is my experience and success.My first case was 1984 and my prediction was 87.5% favor for thr the ruling party congress and result was 419 seats for the ruling government. > > in 1985 i had predicted AGP MLA?MP seats with very accurate and i sent the same to Planets and forecast, the editor Mr.Nimai Banerji write me congradulation for the same.Pakistan peoples party victory and farmation of the same was predicted. > > Slilanka polls was predicted.In the recent i had predicted Manmohan singh will become PM for 2nd term with 272/273 seats , i had predicted it on 5th September 2008 that is 8 months before even before the polls date was announced. > > Any one can predict with the help of Benefic dots of Jupiter for the perticular month.sun ingress time chart.4th house signifies opposition,10th house signifies Ruling Government.8 benefic dots will be the highest and 8 equals to 100 or total number of seats. > > 4th house jupiter benefic dots and 10th house jupiter benefic dots to be added and then we have to calculate percentage for the same.for ex:4th house had 6 benefic dots and 10th house had 8 benefic dots = 14 6X288 > > --------14     =hence opp will get 123 seats and Ruling party will get 164 seats.In maharashtra polls Libra month 4th and 10th had 7 benefic dots of Jupiter hence 14 that is 50% for both RP and OPP party. > > 288 seats 50% is 144 seats.so RP anf OPP sill secure 144 seats.I hope i have explained as per my experience.ofcourse now a days i am not keen interenct in doing all these works becoming losing interest in all these. > > Thanks and regardsSahhasra Saagara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > Sat, 17 October, 2009 4:53:10 PM > > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Sagar ji, > >  They say " one swallow does not make a summer " . Not too long, we struggled predicting correct time of marriage. Forum archive can give good hint of general success and failure. In such a situation a claim like " Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations " seems too tall a claim to me. > >  Anyways, I have a suggestion to test your rule. Why don't you go and predict results of all three state elections. It will give use at least three test cases and give us some indication of success percentage. The success percentage that you are claiming (20 out of 24 i.e. more than 83%) should be good enough to make it a rule, if proven. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > Punit Pandey > > PS: Please do not take it as an attempt to belittle any rule or knowledge. But as an astrologer, the point made as well as success claimed are hard to believe for me. > > > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Sagar S wrote: > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > Anything as well as everything can be predictable through astrological calculations. So many scholors have proved it. > >  > > BPHS/Brihit Jatakhakya/other astrological texts has given many points how to analyse in what way.only thing is we have to understand the same and implement with care. > >  > > Number of seats for each party can be predict through Benefic dots and percentage of seats. > >  > > In the past i have predicted number of seats for ruling party and opposition party in general. I got succeed in 20 cases out of 24 cases. > >  > > recently i have predicted (after a very long time) on 5th September 2008 itself that Mr.Manmohan singh will be the PM for 2nd term, 16th May 2009 will be the day of Manmohan singh and Ruling party will get 272/273 seats and will farm the Government. > > > >  > > Counting date was 16th May 2009, total number of seats were 274 when the Ruling party farmed the Government on 22nd May 2009. > >  > > http://churumuri. wordpress. com/2007/ 11/12/say- hello-to- the-famous- astrologer- kn-somayaji/ > > > > · Sahhasra Saagara Says: 5 September 2008 at 12:25 am > > > >  > > Regards > > Sahhasra Saagara > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramani > > @gro ups.com > > > > > > Fri, 16 October, 2009 7:52:59 PMFW: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Deae Sri Punit Pandeyji, > >  > > In my opinion, nothing is impossible in Astrology. In K.P.system itself, > > > > Shri Kanak Bosmia has written an Article in September, 2007 E.Zine, > > finding how many sticks are there in a box with the help of RP & horary > > > > No. Even in KP Reader, I remember to have read about how many letters in the bag. Somr Articles also appearen In KP Astrology annual > > > > or monthly on this subject. Can’t we apply this method to find out how > > many seats eaxh party will win out of those No.s for wich they contested? > > > >  > > Truly yours, > >  > > K.S.V.Ramani > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com [k_p_ system@grou ps.com] On Behalf Of Punit Pandey > > 16 October 2009 15:42@gro ups.com > > Re: Reward Rs 21,000,00/- > > > > > > > >  > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deshpande ji and Friends, > > > >  > > > > This email clearly shows ignorance of " Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti. " It shows that they are trying to create confusion in public's mind by announcing such an award. Now see the statement. They say " participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. " > > > > > >  > > > > Now I wonder where does astrology claim that astrology can predict number of seats won by each major party? There is no rule in any astrology classic whether it is Brihat Jatak, BPHS or KP readers and any other astrology book. > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > This is like asking medical science to show they can cure AIDS patient otherwise they will assume that medical science is blind-faith. > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > This is like asking astronomers to show them landing a rocket on Sun otherwise they will assume astronomy and physics as blind-faith. > > > > > >  > > > > This is absolutely ridiculous. > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Like astronomy / physics / medical science, astrology also has limitations. In fact, every science has limitations and that is the reason science is serviving / researching. What can be predicted by astrology is clearly documented and I wish they have courage to put a challenge based on that. Like other sciences, research is going on in astrology with an attempt to improve our predictive knowledge and like scientists we wish that we will be able to predict winning seat some day. But if astrologers can not predict winning-seats, it should not mean that astrology is blind-faith. To conclude, They should stop fooling the society by throwing such ridiculous challenge s.  People should also be careful with such fraudulent challenges. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Vishram Deshpande wrote: > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Astrologers, > > > >  > > > > There is a news in Mumbai Mirror (supplement of Times of India) dated 16th Oct, 09 which attracted me & made me think to put it in the forum for information of all. > > > > > >  > > > > A rationalist group, " Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti " (known as ANS) has announced a reward of Rs 21 Lakh to any astrologer who can predict correctly result of the 13th Oct, 09 Assembly elections. The participants will have to explain scientifically how they have arrived to that conclusion. There is no restriction on what type of astrology one uses. Only the thing is that the astrology used must be based on planetary positions. > > > > > >  > > > > Participants will be required to predict how many seats each major party will win. > > > > > >  > > > > ANS has Rs 30 lakh in SBI A/C No. 606265 & astrologers don't have to worry whether they will really be paid after winning. (This is what given in paper) Name of the group is in Marathi & the meaning is " Committee for removal of blind faith " > > > > > >  > > > > I am not a member of ANS & strongly believe in astrology. Most probably the ANS group is based in Pune & our group members who are from Pune can get the details of contact numbers etc easily from local nws papers. I request the Pune members to help accordingly. > > > > > >  > > > > Wish you all very best of luck ! > > > >  > > > > Vishram Deshpande > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > >  > > > > > > > > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect more, do more and share more with India Mail. Learn more. > > > > > > > > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. > > > > > ________________________________ > Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! > > > > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! http://in./trynew > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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