QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

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Friends,

In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "

cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "

We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail.

When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.

Table In the Star of

1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B

2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.

3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.

4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

C is in the Star of D

For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C

By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".

In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference

" THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"

Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4.

If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,India

Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

write me to : guide_vijayanand

 

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote

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Dear Adith ji,

 

Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK.

 

// Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //

But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time.

 

 

I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification.

 

 

Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt.

 

Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,

 

I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.

 

But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.

the sub of the sub lord is also important.

But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. 

Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.

 

Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.

 

8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.

 

As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu-Venus

Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma

 

Role of Venus could be there:

Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1.

Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).

Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.

Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

(venus is also Karaka for vehicle)

 

The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.

 

 

Thanks and Regards

Adith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Adith ji,

 

Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills.

 

I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

 

I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

 

 

I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (/message/28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS.

 

 

I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (/message/27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

 

 

I wish to see more discussion on this topic.

 

Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something.

Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

 

 

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members.

Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.

Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi.

2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.

I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies

BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

 

RPs:

Moon-Venus-Jupter-Jupiter

Asc-Venus-Moon-Mercury

Day-Moon

 

Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

 

A STUDY ON RPS:

EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS,MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.

 

Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)

Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.

Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again

Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.

 

STUDY ON TRANIST:

The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am

planet-signlord-Starlord-Sub lord-Subsub

Sun-Mer-Mars-Sat

Moon-Mer-Sun-Jup

Dasa :Jupiter-sat-Moon-Sun

Bukthi:Sat-Mer-Sun-Sat

Andra:Ketu-Moon-Jup-Rahu

Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun-Ketu

 

We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.

 

Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).

Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.

 

Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

 

Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.

 

Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.

 

4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.

May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

 

 

8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.

 

Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

 

HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.

 

 

This is my personal opinion

 

Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis.

 

Regards

Adith

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Dear Friends,

 

1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging

the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation

and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja

since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the

deciding factor.

 

2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there

is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.

 

Regards,

TW

 

, " VIJAYANAND PATIL "

<guide_vijayanand wrote:

>

> Friends,

> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our

beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "

> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the

significator of concerned bhava. "

> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and

the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail.

> When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and

predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing

with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has

developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1,

F2, F3 and F4.

> Table In the Star of

> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B

> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.

> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.

> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> C is in the Star of D

> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star

of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C

> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will

have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our

method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is in the

Star of " Y " .

> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading

underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the

same of information and ready reference

> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE

TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE

SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE "

> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house

itself should be significator of 4.

> If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD

SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for

Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,India

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> write me to : guide_vijayanand

>

> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote

> >

Dear Adith ji,

>  

> Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK.

>  

> // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //

> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is

star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa

lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of

the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in

Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at

owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by

checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we

include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses

almost all the time.

>

>  

> I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects.

Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the

planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes

better with KP five-fold signification.

>

>  

> Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to

Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person.

In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12

and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram

ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my

opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by

the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left

unhurt.

>

> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>  

> I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope

clear.

>  

> But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also

in finding the strength.

> the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has

no star in its star. Hence powerful. 

> Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my

opinion.

>  

> Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit.

Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of

6.

>  

> 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the

vehicle.

>  

> As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu-Venus

> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma

>  

> Role of Venus could be there:

> Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1.

> Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).

> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.

> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)

>  

> The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and

Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.

>  

>  

> Thanks and Regards

> Adith

>

>

>

>  

>  

>  

>  

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear Adith ji,

>  

> Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have

posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills.

>  

> I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best

suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

>  

> I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is

Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord.

This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses

all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's

StarLord's StarLord.

>

>  

> I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some

hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was

involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji

 (/message/28634), Ketu seems more

reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus

if it is not among DBAS.

>

>  

> I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji

(/message/27464) which was similar in

nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

>

>  

> I wish to see more discussion on this topic.

>  

> Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something.

> Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was

about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the

running period. Because of which many different predictions from different

members.

> Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions

would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This

has to be cross checked with him, if possible.

> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its

significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators

we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life

threateing for the chara rasi.

> 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving

and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.

> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies

> BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

>  

> RPs:

> Moon-Venus-Jupter-Jupiter

> Asc-Venus-Moon-Mercury

> Day-Moon

>  

> Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also

the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

>  

> A STUDY ON RPS:

> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS,MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.

>  

> Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)

> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is

aspecting Venus.

> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again

> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.

>  

> STUDY ON TRANIST:

> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am

> planet-signlord-Starlord-Sub lord-Subsub

> Sun-Mer-Mars-Sat

> Moon-Mer-Sun-Jup

> Dasa :Jupiter-sat-Moon-Sun

> Bukthi:Sat-Mer-Sun-Sat

> Andra:Ketu-Moon-Jup-Rahu

> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun-Ketu

>  

> We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is

positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and

12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.

>

> Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).

> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.

>  

> Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him.

Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house.

Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

>

> Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.

>  

> Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.

>  

> 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and

saving his lfe.

> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not

involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star.

But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he

might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

>

>  

> 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no

role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.

>  

> Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

>  

> HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE

TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in

mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of

analysis.

>

>  

> This is my personal opinion

>  

> Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis.

>  

> Regards

> Adith

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends

I never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor.

Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.

When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur

 

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor.

 

2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.

 

Regards,

TW

 

, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:

>

> Friends,

> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "

> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "

> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail.

> When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.

> Table In the Star of

> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B

> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.

> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.

> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> C is in the Star of D

> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C

> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".

> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference

> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"

> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4.

> If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,India

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> write me to : guide_vijayanand

>

> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Adith ji,

>  

> Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK.

>  

> // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //

> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time.

>

>  

> I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification.

>

>  

> Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt.

>

> Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear Punit ji,

>  

> I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.

>  

> But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.

> the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. 

> Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.

>  

> Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.

>  

> 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.

>  

> As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu-Venus

> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma

>  

> Role of Venus could be there:

> Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1.

> Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).

> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.

> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)

>  

> The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.

>  

>  

> Thanks and Regards

> Adith

>

>

>

>  

>  

>  

>  

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Dear Adith ji,

>  

> Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills.

>  

> I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

>  

> I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

>

>  

> I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (/message/28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS.

>

>  

> I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (/message/27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

>

>  

> I wish to see more discussion on this topic.

>  

> Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something.

> Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

>

>  

>

>

>

> Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members.

> Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.

> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi.

> 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.

> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies

> BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

>  

> RPs:

> Moon-Venus-Jupter-Jupiter

> Asc-Venus-Moon-Mercury

> Day-Moon

>  

> Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

>  

> A STUDY ON RPS:

> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS,MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.

>  

> Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)

> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.

> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again

> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.

>  

> STUDY ON TRANIST:

> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am

> planet-signlord-Starlord-Sub lord-Subsub

> Sun-Mer-Mars-Sat

> Moon-Mer-Sun-Jup

> Dasa :Jupiter-sat-Moon-Sun

> Bukthi:Sat-Mer-Sun-Sat

> Andra:Ketu-Moon-Jup-Rahu

> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun-Ketu

>  

> We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.

>

> Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).

> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.

>  

> Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

>

> Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.

>  

> Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.

>  

> 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.

> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

>

>  

> 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.

>  

> Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

>  

> HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.

>

>  

> This is my personal opinion

>  

> Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis.

>  

> Regards

> Adith

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Taking the starlord of the starlord is not KP. This is the idea of one of late

Mr. Suresh Sahasne's disciples.

Regards,

TW

 

 

, " VIJAYANAND PATIL "

<guide_vijayanand wrote:

>

> Dear Friends

> I never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived

the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the

source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor.

> Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the

source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor.

and many of us are not aware of the same.

> When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the

starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be

considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself

be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen

definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur

>

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote

> >

Dear Friends,

>

> 1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging

the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation

and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja

since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the

deciding factor.

>

> 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning,

there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.

>

> Regards,

> TW

>

> , " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> > In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our

beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "

> > cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the

significator of concerned bhava. "

> > We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and

the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail.

> > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and

predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing

with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has

developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1,

F2, F3 and F4.

> > Table In the Star of

> > 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B

> > 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.

> > 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.

> > 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> > C is in the Star of D

> > For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the

Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C

> > By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will

have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our

method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is in the

Star of " Y " .

> > In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading

underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the

same of information and ready reference

> > " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE

TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE

SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE "

> > Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house

itself should be significator of 4.

> > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE

STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for

Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,India

> > Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> > write me to : guide_vijayanand@

> >

> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Adith ji,

> >  

> > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK.

> >  

> > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //

> > But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is

star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa

lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of

the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in

Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at

owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by

checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we

include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses

almost all the time.

> >

> >  

> > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects.

Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the

planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This

goes better with KP five-fold signification.

> >

> >  

> > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to

Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person.

In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12

and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram

ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my

opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by

the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left

unhurt.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >  

> > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> > Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope

clear.

> >  

> > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord

also in finding the strength.

> > the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who

has no star in its star. Hence powerful. 

> > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is

my opinion.

> >  

> > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit.

Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of

6.

> >  

> > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> > Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to

the vehicle.

> >  

> > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu-Venus

> > Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma

> >  

> > Role of Venus could be there:

> > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in

1.

> > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).

> > Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.

> > Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

> > (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)

> >  

> > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and

Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.

> >  

> >  

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Adith

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Adith ji,

> >  

> > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have

posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills.

> >  

> > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best

suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

> >  

> > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using

is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub

Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12

houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of

Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

> >

> >  

> > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some

hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was

involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji

 (/message/28634), Ketu seems more

reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about

Venus if it is not among DBAS.

> >

> >  

> > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji

(/message/27464) which was similar in

nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

> >

> >  

> > I wish to see more discussion on this topic.

> >  

> > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something.

> > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz

was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the

running period. Because of which many different predictions from different

members.

> > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions

would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This

has to be cross checked with him, if possible.

> > Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its

significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators

we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life

threateing for the chara rasi.

> > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live

saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.

> > I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies

> > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

> >  

> > RPs:

> > Moon-Venus-Jupter-Jupiter

> > Asc-Venus-Moon-Mercury

> > Day-Moon

> >  

> > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is

also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

> >  

> > A STUDY ON RPS:

> > EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS,MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.

> >  

> > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)

> > Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is

aspecting Venus.

> > Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again

> > Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.

> >  

> > STUDY ON TRANIST:

> > The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am

> > planet-signlord-Starlord-Sub lord-Subsub

> > Sun-Mer-Mars-Sat

> > Moon-Mer-Sun-Jup

> > Dasa :Jupiter-sat-Moon-Sun

> > Bukthi:Sat-Mer-Sun-Sat

> > Andra:Ketu-Moon-Jup-Rahu

> > Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun-Ketu

> >  

> > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who

is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8

and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of

4.

> >

> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).

> > Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.

> >  

> > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him.

Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house.

Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

> >

> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.

> >  

> > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.

> >  

> > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and

saving his lfe.

> > May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not

involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star.

But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he

might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

> >

> >  

> > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no

role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.

> >  

> > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

> >  

> > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON

THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must

keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at

the time of analysis.

> >

> >  

> > This is my personal opinion

> >  

> > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis.

> >  

> > Regards

> > Adith

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, Dear Friends, taking the starlord of the starlord is not KP but the idea

of one of Shri Hasbe's disciples.

Regards,

TW

 

, " VIJAYANAND PATIL "

<guide_vijayanand wrote:

>

> Dear Friends

> I never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived

the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the

source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor.

> Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the

source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor.

and many of us are not aware of the same.

> When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the

starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be

considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself

be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen

definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur

>

> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote

> >

Dear Friends,

>

> 1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging

the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation

and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja

since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the

deciding factor.

>

> 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning,

there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.

>

> Regards,

> TW

>

> , " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:

> >

> > Friends,

> > In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our

beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "

> > cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the

significator of concerned bhava. "

> > We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and

the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail.

> > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and

predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing

with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has

developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1,

F2, F3 and F4.

> > Table In the Star of

> > 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B

> > 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.

> > 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.

> > 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> > C is in the Star of D

> > For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the

Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C

> > By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will

have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our

method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is in the

Star of " Y " .

> > In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading

underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the

same of information and ready reference

> > " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE

TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE

SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE "

> > Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house

itself should be significator of 4.

> > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE

STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for

Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,India

> > Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> > write me to : guide_vijayanand@

> >

> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Adith ji,

> >  

> > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK.

> >  

> > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //

> > But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is

star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa

lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of

the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in

Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at

owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by

checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we

include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses

almost all the time.

> >

> >  

> > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects.

Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the

planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This

goes better with KP five-fold signification.

> >

> >  

> > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to

Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person.

In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12

and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram

ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my

opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by

the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left

unhurt.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >  

> > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> > Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope

clear.

> >  

> > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord

also in finding the strength.

> > the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who

has no star in its star. Hence powerful. 

> > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is

my opinion.

> >  

> > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit.

Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of

6.

> >  

> > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> > Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to

the vehicle.

> >  

> > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu-Venus

> > Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma

> >  

> > Role of Venus could be there:

> > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in

1.

> > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).

> > Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.

> > Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

> > (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)

> >  

> > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and

Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.

> >  

> >  

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Adith

> >

> >

> >

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Adith ji,

> >  

> > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have

posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills.

> >  

> > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best

suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

> >  

> > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using

is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub

Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12

houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of

Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

> >

> >  

> > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some

hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was

involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji

 (/message/28634), Ketu seems more

reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about

Venus if it is not among DBAS.

> >

> >  

> > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji

(/message/27464) which was similar in

nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

> >

> >  

> > I wish to see more discussion on this topic.

> >  

> > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something.

> > Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz

was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the

running period. Because of which many different predictions from different

members.

> > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions

would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This

has to be cross checked with him, if possible.

> > Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its

significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators

we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life

threateing for the chara rasi.

> > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live

saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.

> > I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies

> > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

> >  

> > RPs:

> > Moon-Venus-Jupter-Jupiter

> > Asc-Venus-Moon-Mercury

> > Day-Moon

> >  

> > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is

also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

> >  

> > A STUDY ON RPS:

> > EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS,MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.

> >  

> > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)

> > Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is

aspecting Venus.

> > Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again

> > Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.

> >  

> > STUDY ON TRANIST:

> > The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am

> > planet-signlord-Starlord-Sub lord-Subsub

> > Sun-Mer-Mars-Sat

> > Moon-Mer-Sun-Jup

> > Dasa :Jupiter-sat-Moon-Sun

> > Bukthi:Sat-Mer-Sun-Sat

> > Andra:Ketu-Moon-Jup-Rahu

> > Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun-Ketu

> >  

> > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who

is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8

and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of

4.

> >

> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).

> > Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.

> >  

> > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him.

Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house.

Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

> >

> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.

> >  

> > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.

> >  

> > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and

saving his lfe.

> > May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not

involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star.

But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he

might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

> >

> >  

> > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no

role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.

> >  

> > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

> >  

> > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON

THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must

keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at

the time of analysis.

> >

> >  

> > This is my personal opinion

> >  

> > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis.

> >  

> > Regards

> > Adith

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself

Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. " Connected With " is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_vijayanand wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor.

Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor.

2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:>> Friends,> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "

> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. " > We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail.

> When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.

> Table In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is in the Star of " Y " .

> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE "

> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtra,India> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303> write me to : guide_vijayanand

> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  

> // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time.

> >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification.

> >  > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt.

> > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >   > > > > > Dear Punit ji,>  > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  

> Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.>  > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.>  > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu-Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>  > Role of Venus could be there:

> Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)>  > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.>  >  > Thanks and Regards

> Adith> > > >  >  >  >  > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> >   > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

>  > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

>  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

> >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (/message/28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS.

> >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (/message/27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

> >  > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. >  > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> >

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >   > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members.

> Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi.

> 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

>  > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter-Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon-Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS,MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.

> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord-Starlord-Sub lord-Subsub

> Sun-Mer-Mars-Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun-Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat-Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer-Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon-Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun-Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.

> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.

> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.

> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards> Adith>

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG. Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itselfLevel 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:>> Friends,> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops

the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.> Table In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS

WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> Â > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. > Â > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star

of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time. > >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating

accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification. > > Â > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt. > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > Â > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> Â > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.> Here Sun is in the star and sub of

MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important. > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.>  > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.>  > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>  >

Role of Venus could be there: > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)> Â > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.> Â > Â > Thanks and Regards> Adith> > > > Â > Â > Â > Â > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> > Â > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> Â > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz

analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that. >  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord. > >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups.

/ group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. > >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time. > >  > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. >  > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >  > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event

on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members. > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi. > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj> Â > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter>

Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We

could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also

here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  >

Regards> Adith>

[Guest guest]

Dear Senthil ji,

 

Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator.

 

There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself

Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. " Connected With " is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions.  I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor.

Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor.

2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:>> Friends,

> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence " > cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "

> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.

> Table In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is in the Star of " Y " .

> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE "

> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

 

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > >

> > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time.

> >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition)  and Moon (conjunction)  both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification.

> >  > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt.

> > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >   > > > > > Dear Punit ji,>  > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  

> Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.>  > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.>  > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>  > Role of Venus could be there:

> Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)>  > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.>  >  > Thanks and Regards

> Adith> > > >  >  >  >  > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> >   > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

>  > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

>  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

> >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS.

> >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

> >  > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. >  > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> >

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >   > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members.

> Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi.

> 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

>  > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.

> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub

> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.

> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.

> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.

> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards> Adith>

[Guest guest]

Dear Punitji

 

KSK has used cuspal sublord as important significator and p;lanets in its star.Most probably the example is in 3rd reader page 150 (old edition).As far as I can remember the cuspal sublord was Saturn.I'll confirm later.

 

Regards

 

Suprakash

 

 

-

Punit Pandey

Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM

Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

Dear Senthil ji,

 

Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator.

 

There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp > wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp >Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG. Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itselfLevel 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:>> Friends,> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.> Table In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

 

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time. > >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification. > >  > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt. > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >  > > > > > Dear Punit ji,>  > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important. > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.>  > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.>  > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>  > Role of Venus could be there: > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)>  > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.>  >  > Thanks and Regards> Adith> > > >  >  >  >  > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> >  > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that. >  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord. > >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. > >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time. > >  > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. >  > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >  > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members. > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi. > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj>  > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards> Adith>

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Dear Suprakash ji,

 

One example is not enough. One example is there for everything - for progression, for hora, for western aspect, sub as a significator, sub's star as significator, tajik, 108 based horary, time-chart, 4 RP, 5 RP, exalted, debilitated, combust, eclipsed, kal-chakra dasa etc. etc. but he didn't use it consistently. When he himself dropped using it, I would not recommend it to anybody.

 

Shri KSK has mentioned in detail about finding significators and he didn't mention using sub as significator there. It is up to us to decide what we want to use and what we do not.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punitji

 

KSK has used cuspal sublord as important significator and p;lanets in its star.Most probably  the example is in 3rd reader page 150 (old edition).As far as I can remember the cuspal sublord was Saturn.I'll confirm later.

 

Regards

 

Suprakash

 

 

 

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Punit Pandey

 

Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM

Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

 

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,

 

Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator.

 

There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers.

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself

Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. " Connected With " is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions.  I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor.

Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor.

2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:>> Friends,

> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence " > cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "

> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.

> Table In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is in the Star of " Y " .

> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE "

> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

 

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > >

> > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time.

> >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition)  and Moon (conjunction)  both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification.

> >  > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt.

> > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >   > > > > > Dear Punit ji,>  > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  

> Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.>  > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.>  > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>  > Role of Venus could be there:

> Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)>  > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.>  >  > Thanks and Regards

> Adith> > > >  >  >  >  > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> >   > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

>  > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

>  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

> >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS.

> >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

> >  > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. >  > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> >

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >   > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members.

> Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi.

> 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

>  > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.

> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub

> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.

> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.

> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.

> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards> Adith>

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There are limited examples in KP readers but in practice, he predicted many cases. I hope he selected the example as he thought that it ineeds inclusion in the book knowing fully well what it means.

 

Regards

 

Suprakash

 

 

 

 

 

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Punit Pandey

Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:37 PM

Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

Dear Suprakash ji,

 

One example is not enough. One example is there for everything - for progression, for hora, for western aspect, sub as a significator, sub's star as significator, tajik, 108 based horary, time-chart, 4 RP, 5 RP, exalted, debilitated, combust, eclipsed, kal-chakra dasa etc. etc. but he didn't use it consistently. When he himself dropped using it, I would not recommend it to anybody.

 

Shri KSK has mentioned in detail about finding significators and he didn't mention using sub as significator there. It is up to us to decide what we want to use and what we do not.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh (AT) cesc (DOT) co.in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear Punitji

 

KSK has used cuspal sublord as important significator and p;lanets in its star.Most probably the example is in 3rd reader page 150 (old edition).As far as I can remember the cuspal sublord was Saturn.I'll confirm later.

 

Regards

 

Suprakash

 

 

 

-

Punit Pandey

 

Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM

Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,

 

Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator.

 

There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers.

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp > wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp >Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG. Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itselfLevel 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:>> Friends,> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.> Table In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

 

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time. > >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification. > >  > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt. > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >  > > > > > Dear Punit ji,>  > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important. > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.>  > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.>  > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>  > Role of Venus could be there: > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)>  > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.>  >  > Thanks and Regards> Adith> > > >  >  >  >  > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> >  > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that. >  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord. > >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. > >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time. > >  > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. >  > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >  > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members. > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi. > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj>  > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards> Adith>

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Dear Suprakash ji,

 

What you have said is true for all the points that I mentioned like - for progression, for hora, for western aspect, sub as a significator, sub's star as significator, tajik, 108 based horary, time-chart, 4 RP, 5 RP, exalted, debilitated, combust, eclipsed, kal-chakra dasa and many more that I am missing.

 

It doesn't mean that we should start quoting 108 based horary and kal-chakra dasa and start saying that we must always use it in all the cases. We need to understand that there are few tools/ techniques that were dropped by Shri KSK later and we should honor that. This is my personal opinion and doesn't stop anyone for using kal-chakra dasa, for example.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

There are limited examples in KP readers but in practice, he predicted many cases. I hope he selected the example as he thought that it ineeds inclusion in the book knowing fully well what it means.

 

Regards

 

Suprakash

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Punit Pandey

 

 

 

Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:37 PM

Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

 

Dear Suprakash ji,

 

One example is not enough. One example is there for everything - for progression, for hora, for western aspect, sub as a significator, sub's star as significator, tajik, 108 based horary, time-chart, 4 RP, 5 RP, exalted, debilitated, combust, eclipsed, kal-chakra dasa etc. etc. but he didn't use it consistently. When he himself dropped using it, I would not recommend it to anybody.

 

Shri KSK has mentioned in detail about finding significators and he didn't mention using sub as significator there. It is up to us to decide what we want to use and what we do not.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Suprakash Ghosh <suprakash.ghosh wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punitji

 

KSK has used cuspal sublord as important significator and p;lanets in its star.Most probably  the example is in 3rd reader page 150 (old edition).As far as I can remember the cuspal sublord was Saturn.I'll confirm later.

 

Regards

 

Suprakash

 

 

 

-

Punit Pandey

 

Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM

Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

 

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,

 

Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator.

 

There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers.

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself

Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. " Connected With " is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions.  I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor.

Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor.

2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:>> Friends,

> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence " > cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "

> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.

> Table In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is in the Star of " Y " .

> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE "

> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

 

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > >

> > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time.

> >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition)  and Moon (conjunction)  both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification.

> >  > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt.

> > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >   > > > > > Dear Punit ji,>  > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  

> Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.>  > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.>  > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>  > Role of Venus could be there:

> Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)>  > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.>  >  > Thanks and Regards

> Adith> > > >  >  >  >  > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> >   > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

>  > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

>  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

> >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS.

> >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

> >  > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. >  > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> >

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >   > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members.

> Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi.

> 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

>  > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.

> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub

> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.

> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.

> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.

> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards> Adith>

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit,

 

What you have mentioned is correct. There is no direct siginificator table is presented in the KP books except Level 1 to 4. For Level 5 it is covered in the description of the chart analysis only. I don't have the book 6th reader for giving example for Level-0 siginificator. This is also like indirect signification in the description of the chart (but i am not sure to quote any horary chart by KSK). This was taught by my guru that the cuspal SUBLORD also as a siginificator. Either you take it as new concept or by KSK. if it works let us include in the signification fold.

 

 

Your statement of "5-fold signification is good enough" is enough for some extent. If we get improvement in results by adding Level-0 significator let us add it.

 

This is my opinion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG. Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 10:51 PM

 

Dear Senthil ji,

 

Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator.

 

There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.@gro ups.comWednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itselfLevel 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:>> Friends,> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.> Table

In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT.

IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

 

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will

be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time. > >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification. > >  > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will

be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt. > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >  > > > > > Dear Punit ji,>  > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important. > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in

Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.> Â > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.> Â > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma> Â > Role of Venus could be there: > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)> Â > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.> Â >

 > Thanks and Regards> Adith> > > >  >  >  >  > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> >  > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that. >  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not

understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord. > >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. > >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time. > >  > I wish to see more

discussion on this topic. > Â > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > Â > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members. > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities.

2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi. > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj>  > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the

signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11

itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT

A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards> Adith>

[Guest guest]

Dear Senthil ji,

 

I agree. I also use sub-lord as a significator of that house if there is no planet in its nakshatra.

 

Only problem I see that cuspal sub lord changes very fast. So if we do not have correct birth time, it will lead us to wrong results. In horary it is perfectly OK. This is also an excellent tool for justification and post-mortem because we can slightly tweak the time and then justify an event easily which is not possible with other 5-fold significators :-)

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

What you have mentioned is correct. There is no direct siginificator table is presented in the KP books except Level 1 to 4. For Level 5 it is covered in the description of the chart analysis only. I don't have the book 6th reader for giving example for Level-0 siginificator. This is also like indirect signification in the description of the chart (but i am not sure to quote any horary chart by KSK). This was taught by my guru that the cuspal SUBLORD also as a siginificator. Either you take it as new concept or by KSK. if it works let us include in the signification fold.

 

 

Your statement of   " 5-fold signification is good enough " is enough for some extent. If we get improvement in results by adding Level-0 significator let us add it.

 

This is my opinion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

 

D.Senthil 

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 10:51 PM

 

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,

 

Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator.

 

There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

@gro ups.com

 

Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself

Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. " Connected With " is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions.  I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor.

Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor.

2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:>> Friends,

> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence " > cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "

> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.

> Table In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is in the Star of " Y " .

> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE "

> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

 

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > >

> > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time.

> >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition)  and Moon (conjunction)  both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification.

> >  > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt.

> > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >   > > > > > Dear Punit ji,>  > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  

> Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.>  > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.>  > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>  > Role of Venus could be there:

> Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)>  > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.>  >  > Thanks and Regards

> Adith> > > >  >  >  >  > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> >   > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

>  > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

>  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

> >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS.

> >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

> >  > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. >  > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> >

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >   > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members.

> Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi.

> 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

>  > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.

> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub

> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.

> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.

> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.

> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards> Adith>

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It's in in the last para in page 309 of KP Reader III (in Old Edition, first

para in page 145 Practical Part).

Regards,

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, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

>

> Dear Senthil ji,

>

> Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that

> house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the

> chart related to a house, NOT as significator.

>

> There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no

> planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator

> of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers very

often

> now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal

> sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP

> readers.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil <athi_ram wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Punit,

> >

> > You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective

> > cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in

> > the siginificator.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > D.Senthil

> >

> >

> > --- On *Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp* wrote:

> >

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp

> > Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION

> > IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

> >

> > Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

> >

> > Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planet

> > Level 2. House occupied by the planet itself

> > Level 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet

> > Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself

> > Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets

> >

> > Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for

> > signification, it is not part of the regular practice. " Connected With " is a

> > concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

> >

> > Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji

> > and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow

> > confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us

> > more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and

> > post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP

> > beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_

> > vijayanand@ rediffmail.

com<http://us.mc320.mail./mc/compose?to=guide_vijayanand

> > > wrote:

> >

> >> Dear Friends

> >> I never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had

> >> derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet

> >> is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding

> >> factor.

> >> Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the

> >> source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding

factor.

> >> and many of us are not aware of the same.

> >> When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the

> >> starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be

> >> considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD

> >> itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event

> >> will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

> >> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur

> >>

> >> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Dear Friends,

> >>

> >> 1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously

> >> juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels

> >> by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak

Bosmia

> >> and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the

> >> result, and sub is the deciding factor.

> >>

> >> 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning,

> >> there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >> TW

> >>

> >> @gro

ups.com<http://us.mc320.mail./mc/compose?to= >\

,

> >> " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Friends,

> >> > In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our

> >> beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "

> >> > cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the

> >> significator of concerned bhava. "

> >> > We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and

> >> the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail.

> >> > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and

> >> predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or

> >> showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration

> >> Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops

> >> the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.

> >> > Table In the Star of

> >> > 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B

> >> > 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.

> >> > 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.

> >> > 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> >> > C is in the Star of D

> >> > For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the

> >> Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C

> >> > By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will

> >> have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our

> >> method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is

in

> >> the Star of " Y " .

> >> > In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading

> >> underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for

> >> the same of information and ready reference

> >> > " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN

> >> HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET

WHO

> >> IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE "

> >> > Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house

> >> itself should be significator of 4.

> >> > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD

> >> SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> >> > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for

> >> Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

> >>

> >> > Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> >> > write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...

> >> >

> >> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote

> >> > >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Dear Adith ji,

> >> > Â

> >> > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK.

> >> > Â

> >> > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //

> >> > But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because

> >> Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord

> >> of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can

> >> expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth

> >> chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of

> >> houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion,

we

> >> can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will beÂ

no

> >> end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find

> >> signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time.

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e.

> >> aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition)Â and Moon (conjunction)Â

> >> both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating

> >> accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification.

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to

> >> Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the

> >> person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected

> >> with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt

at

> >> all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control

> >> of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates

> >> that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting

> >> Ketu is the reason he left unhurt.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

> >> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Dear Punit ji,

> >> > Â

> >> > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> >> > Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus.

> >> Hope clear.

> >> > Â

> >> > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord

> >> also in finding the strength.

> >> > the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> >> > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat

> >> who has no star in its star. Hence powerful.Â

> >> > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is

> >> my opinion.

> >> > Â

> >> > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in

> >> Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only

> >> signficatir of 6.

> >> > Â

> >> > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> >> > Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger

> >> to the vehicle.

> >> > Â

> >> > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus

> >> > Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma

> >> > Â

> >> > Role of Venus could be there:

> >> > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter

> >> in 1.

> >> > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).

> >> > Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.

> >> > Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in

> >> 8.

> >> > (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)

> >> > Â

> >> > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity)

> >> and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.

> >> > Â

> >> > Â

> >> > Thanks and Regards

> >> > Adith

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> > Â

> >> > Â

> >> > Â

> >> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Dear Adith ji,

> >> > Â

> >> > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you

> >> have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills.

> >> > Â

> >> > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is

> >> best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look

> >> into that.

> >> > Â

> >> > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are

> >> using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's

> >> StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of

> >> almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not

> >> understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some

> >> hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was

> >> involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji Â

(http://groups.

> >> / group/k_p_ system/message/

28634</message/28634>),

> >> Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to

> >> bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS.

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. /

> >> group/k_p_ system/message/

27464</message/27464>)

> >> which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS

> >> only that time.

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> > I wish to see more discussion on this topic.

> >> > Â

> >> > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something.

> >>

> >> > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the

> >> Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh

> >> DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from

> >> different members.

> >> > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some

> >> predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in

> >> that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.

> >> > Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and

> >> its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the

> >> signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows

> >> marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi.

> >> > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live

> >> saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.

> >> > I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies

> >> > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

> >> > Â

> >> > RPs:

> >> > Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter

> >> > Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury

> >> > Day-Moon

> >> > Â

> >> > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus

> >> is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

> >> > Â

> >> > A STUDY ON RPS:

> >> > EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE

> >> RPS.

> >> > Â

> >> > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)

> >> > Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is

> >> aspecting Venus.

> >> > Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again

> >> > Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.

> >> > Â

> >> > STUDY ON TRANIST:

> >> > The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am

> >> > planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub

> >> > Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat

> >> > Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup

> >> > Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun

> >> > Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat

> >> > Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu

> >> > Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu

> >> > Â

> >> > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon

> >> who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as

lord

> >> of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is

> >> the lord of 4.

> >> >

> >> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).

> >> > Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.

> >> > Â

> >> > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him.

> >> Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka

> >> house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord

of

> >> 8 and 12.

> >> >

> >> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.

> >> > Â

> >> > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.

> >> > Â

> >> > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle

> >> and saving his lfe.

> >> > May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is

> >> not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in

> >> iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of

> >> Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is

> >> no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.

> >> > Â

> >> > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

> >> > Â

> >> > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS

> >> ON THE TRANISTÂ IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We

> >> must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the

> >> RPs at the time of analysis.

> >> >

> >> > Â

> >> > This is my personal opinion

> >> > Â

> >> > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis.

> >> > Â

> >> > Regards

> >> > Adith

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Dear PunitI think that Mr Shamnugam or Mr Lajmi had given a rule regarding csl of 6th, 8th and 12th. --the moment u cut ur hand, note down the ruling planets, they will b csl of these houses.If that is so, then, by implication, don't the csl become significators of these houses ?RegardsSujataPunit Pandey <punitp Sent: Thu, 22 October, 2009 6:03:27 PMRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,

 

I agree. I also use sub-lord as a significator of that house if there is no planet in its nakshatra.

 

Only problem I see that cuspal sub lord changes very fast. So if we do not have correct birth time, it will lead us to wrong results. In horary it is perfectly OK. This is also an excellent tool for justification and post-mortem because we can slightly tweak the time and then justify an event easily which is not possible with other 5-fold significators :-)

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

What you have mentioned is correct. There is no direct siginificator table is presented in the KP books except Level 1 to 4. For Level 5 it is covered in the description of the chart analysis only. I don't have the book 6th reader for giving example for Level-0 siginificator. This is also like indirect signification in the description of the chart (but i am not sure to quote any horary chart by KSK). This was taught by my guru that the cuspal SUBLORD also as a siginificator. Either you take it as new concept or by KSK. if it works let us include in the signification fold.

 

 

Your statement of "5-fold signification is good enough" is enough for some extent. If we get improvement in results by adding Level-0 significator let us add it.

 

This is my opinion.

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.@gro ups.com

Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 10:51 PM

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,

 

Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator.

 

There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

@gro ups.com

 

Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself

Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor.

Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor.

2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:>> Friends,

> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "

> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.

> Table In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".

> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"

> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

 

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > >

> > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time.

> >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification.

> > Â > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt.

> > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > Â > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> Â > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.> Â > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.> Â

> Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.> Â > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.> Â > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma> Â > Role of Venus could be there:

> Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.

> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)> Â > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.> Â > Â > Thanks and Regards

> Adith> > > > Â > Â > Â > Â > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> > Â > > > > > Dear Adith ji,

> Â > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. > Â > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

>  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

> >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS.

> > Â > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

> > Â > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. > Â > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> >

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > Â > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members.

> Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi.

> 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

>  > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.

> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.> Â > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub

> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu> Â > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.

> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.> Â > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.> Â > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.

> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.

> > Â > This is my personal opinion> Â > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. > Â > Regards> Adith>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3rd, 7th and 9th cusps fall in the sub of Saturn. Hence take Saturn too as a very strong significator. (for foreign going, TW)-KP Reader III, Old Edition, Practical Part p 151Please note that Saturn is the sublord of 3rd and 9th cusp and no planet is tenanted in his star except himself. So as I mentioned in the beginning of the article, Saturn has emerged as a strong significator in the above case (for foreign going, TW), by owning the sub of relevant cusps and not from analysis of bhavas.-KP Reader III, New Edition p 316 They are related to the so-called Golden Rule in the last para in page 309 of KP Reader III (in Old Edition, first para in page 145 Practical Part). , "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh wrote:>> Dear Punitji> > KSK has used cuspal sublord as important significator and p;lanets in its star.Most probably the example is in 3rd reader page 150 (old edition).As far as I can remember the cuspal sublord was Saturn.I'll confirm later.> > Regards> > Suprakash> > - > Punit Pandey > > Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM> Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.> > > > Dear Senthil ji,> > Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator. > > There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil athi_ram wrote:> > > Dear Punit,> > You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.> > Regards,> > D.Senthil> > > --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey punitp wrote:> > > Punit Pandey punitp Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.> > Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM> > > > Dear Friends, > > As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -> > Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planet> Level 2. House occupied by the planet itself> Level 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet > Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself> Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets> > Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers. > > Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:> > > Dear Friends> I never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. > Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.> When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur> > On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > 1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. > > 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.> > Regards, > TW > > > @gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:> >> > Friends,> > In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> > cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "> > We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.> > Table In the Star of> > 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> > 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> > 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> > 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > > C is in the Star of D> > For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> > By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".> > In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> > " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"> > Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.> > > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India > > > Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > > > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> >  > > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. > >  > > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> > But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time. > > > >  > > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification. > > > >  > > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt. > > > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> >  > > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.> > Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.> >  > > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> > the sub of the sub lord is also important. > > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.> >  > > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.> >  > > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> > Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.> >  > > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> > Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma> >  > > Role of Venus could be there: > > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> > Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> > Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> > (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)> >  > > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.> >  > >  > > Thanks and Regards> > Adith> > > > > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> >  > > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. > >  > > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that. > >  > > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord. > > > >  > > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. > > > >  > > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time. > > > >  > > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. > >  > > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members. > > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> > Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi. > > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> > I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj> >  > > RPs:> > Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> > Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> > Day-Moon> >  > > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.> >  > > A STUDY ON RPS:> > EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.> >  > > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> > Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.> > Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> > Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.> >  > > STUDY ON TRANIST:> > The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> > planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub> > Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> > Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> > Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> > Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> > Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> > Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu> >  > > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.> > > > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> > Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.> >  > > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > > > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.> >  > > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.> >  > > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.> > May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)> > > >  > > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.> >  > > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.> >  > > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.> > > >  > > This is my personal opinion> >  > > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. > >  > > Regards> > Adith> >>

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It is houses IV,VIII & XII.. this is the finding of Kundanthai Nathan...quoted in Astrosecrets & K.P. by the late M.P. Shanmugham...

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Yogesh Lajmi--- On Thu, 10/22/09, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:

sujata das <sujatadash1Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG. Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 1:42 PM

 

 

Dear PunitI think that Mr Shamnugam or Mr Lajmi had given a rule regarding csl of 6th, 8th and 12th. --the moment u cut ur hand, note down the ruling planets, they will b csl of these houses.If that is so, then, by implication, don't the csl become significators of these houses ?RegardsSujata

 

 

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>@gro ups.comThu, 22 October, 2009 6:03:27 PMRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

Dear Senthil ji,

 

I agree. I also use sub-lord as a significator of that house if there is no planet in its nakshatra.

 

Only problem I see that cuspal sub lord changes very fast. So if we do not have correct birth time, it will lead us to wrong results. In horary it is perfectly OK. This is also an excellent tool for justification and post-mortem because we can slightly tweak the time and then justify an event easily which is not possible with other 5-fold significators :-)

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

What you have mentioned is correct. There is no direct siginificator table is presented in the KP books except Level 1 to 4. For Level 5 it is covered in the description of the chart analysis only. I don't have the book 6th reader for giving example for Level-0 siginificator. This is also like indirect signification in the description of the chart (but i am not sure to quote any horary chart by KSK). This was taught by my guru that the cuspal SUBLORD also as a siginificator. Either you take it as new concept or by KSK. if it works let us include in the signification fold.

 

 

Your statement of "5-fold signification is good enough" is enough for some extent. If we get improvement in results by adding Level-0 significator let us add it.

 

This is my opinion..

 

GOOD LUCK!

 

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.@gro ups.comWednesday, October 21, 2009, 10:51 PM

 

 

Dear Senthil ji,

 

Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator.

 

There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil <athi_ram > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.@gro ups.com

 

Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itselfLevel 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i..e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:>> Friends,> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.> Table In the

Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE

SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy..for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

 

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no

end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time. > >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification. > >  > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by

the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt. > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >  > > > > > Dear Punit ji,>  > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important. > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit.

Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.> Â > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.> Â > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma> Â > Role of Venus could be there: > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)> Â > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.> Â > Â >

Thanks and Regards> Adith> > > >  >  >  >  > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> >  > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important.. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that. >  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord.. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of

Planet's StarLord's StarLord. > >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. > >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time. > >  > I wish to see more discussion on this

topic. > Â > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > Â > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members. > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications

shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi. > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj>  > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4.

It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is

in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE

ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards> Adith>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for your nice reply with KP book reference.

 

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D.Senthil

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, TW <tw853 wrote:

TW <tw853 Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG. Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 6:51 AM

3rd, 7th and 9th cusps fall in the sub of Saturn. Hence take Saturn too as a very strong significator. (for foreign going, TW)-KP Reader III, Old Edition, Practical Part p 151Please note that Saturn is the sublord of 3rd and 9th cusp and no planet is tenanted in his star except himself. So as I mentioned in the beginning of the article, Saturn has emerged as a strong significator in the above case (for foreign going, TW), by owning the sub of relevant cusps and not from analysis of bhavas.-KP Reader III, New Edition p 316 They are related to the so-called Golden Rule in the last para in page 309 of KP Reader III (in Old Edition, first para in page 145 Practical Part).@gro ups.com, "Suprakash Ghosh" <suprakash.ghosh@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Punitji> > KSK has used cuspal sublord as important significator

and p;lanets in its star.Most probably the example is in 3rd reader page 150 (old edition).As far as I can remember the cuspal sublord was Saturn.I'll confirm later.> > Regards> > Suprakash> > - > Punit Pandey > @gro ups.com > Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM> Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.> > > > Dear Senthil ji,> > Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator. > > There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP

used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil athi_ram wrote:> > > Dear Punit,> > You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.> > Regards,> > D.Senthil> > > --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey punitp wrote:> > > Punit Pandey punitp Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.> @gro ups.com> Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM>

> > > Dear Friends, > > As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -> > Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planet> Level 2. House occupied by the planet itself> Level 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet > Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself> Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets> > Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers. > > Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and

post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:> > > Dear Friends> I never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. > Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.> When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the

houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur> > On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > 1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. > > 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.>

> Regards, > TW > > > @gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:> >> > Friends,> > In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> > cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "> > We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.> > Table In the Star of> > 1.

F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> > 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> > 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> > 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > > C is in the Star of D> > For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> > By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".> > In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> > " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN

HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"> > Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.> > > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India > > > Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > > > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> > Â > > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. > >

 > > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> > But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time. > > > >  > > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets areÂ

significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification. > > > >  > > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt. > > > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> >

 > > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.> > Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.> >  > > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> > the sub of the sub lord is also important. > > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.> >  > > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.> >  > > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> > Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.> > Â

> > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> > Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma> > Â > > Role of Venus could be there: > > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> > Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> > Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> > (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)> > Â > > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.> > Â > > Â > > Thanks and Regards> > Adith> > > > > > > > Â > > Â > > Â > > Â > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> >

> >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> >  > > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. > >  > > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that. > >  > > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord. > > > >  > > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the

native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. > > > >  > > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time. > > > >  > > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. > >  > > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > > >  > > > > >

> > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members. > > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> > Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi. > > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> > I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time

of analysies > > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj> >  > > RPs:> > Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> > Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> > Day-Moon> >  > > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.> >  > > A STUDY ON RPS:> > EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.> >  > > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> > Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.> > Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> > Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.> >  > > STUDY ON TRANIST:> > The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> > planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub> >

Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> > Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> > Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> > Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> > Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> > Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu> >  > > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.> > > > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> > Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.> >  > > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > > > Involvement of sat the signficator

of 4.> >  > > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.> >  > > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.> > May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)> > > >  > > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.> >  > > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.> >  > > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in

mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.> > > >  > > This is my personal opinion> >  > > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. > >  > > Regards> > Adith> >>

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Dear friends

If we read "Please note that Saturn is the sublord of 3rd and 9th cusp and no planet is tenanted in his star except himself." it clearly indicates 2 things (1) No planet is in the star of Shani (2) Shani is in its own star.

 

I will try to point out that when we consider the table of houses for calculating the cusps, after calculation of 1 to 12 cusps for horoscope, we note down the sign lord, star lord and sub lord of all the 12 cusps. Then we calculate planetory setup from ephemaries and planet with degree, minute, second long. Then also we note the sign lord, star lord and sub lord of all the planets.

 

Then we put up all the planets in to the concerned cusps as per long.of the planet. In certain cases, there may be interception of signs and at the same time single sign will represent 2 cusps. Lord of intercepted Sign will not have the lordship of that cusps.

 

If there is planet in a cusp, then we will find the planet in the star of that planet. Means a planet will offer the results of its starlord's position and lordships. If starlord's ownership cusps are unoccupied, A planet will signify that houses also.

 

If any cusp is unoccupied then the planet in the star of the lord of the cusp will signify that unoccupied house, it is our first rule in KP. Am I right?

 

A planet in the beginning of particular bhava as Sign lord we have seen. Thus a planet in the beginning of a particular bhava as Star Lord or Sub lord, and if there is no planets in the star of the starlord of the cusp or there is no planets in the star of the sub lord of the cusp, then as like the lordship rule, that cuspal starlord or cuspal sub lord will give the results as it is to be understood that it is the owner of that cusp.

 

In general, we take only lord of cusp, thatswhy like the signlord, cuspal sub lords also taken if its stars are unoccupied or it is in its own star, then that cuspal sub lord will signify that houses of which he is the cuspal sub lord.

 

In addition, as like sign lord, we should also take the cuspal starlord on the same line. Means if there is no planet in the constellations of the starlord of cusp or it is in its own star, then that cuspal starlord will signify that houses of which he is the cuspal starlord.

 

So many stalwarts are using the same principle as the idea behind the same is like the UNOCCUPIED CUSP WILL BE SIGNIFIED BY THE LORD OF THE CUSP. NOT ONLY THIS BUT IF THAT CUSPAL SIGN LORD IS THE STAR LORD OR SUB LORD OF WHICH HOUSES, THAT HOUSES WILL ALSO SIGNIFY.

 

Think on it and get understood the idea.

 

With regards

Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision,

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3rd, 7th and 9th cusps fall in the sub of Saturn. Hence take Saturn too as a very strong significator. (for foreign going, TW)-KP Reader III, Old Edition, Practical Part p 151 Please note that Saturn is the sublord of 3rd and 9th cusp and no planet is tenanted in his star except himself. So as I mentioned in the beginning of the article, Saturn has emerged as a strong significator in the above case (for foreign going, TW), by owning the sub of relevant cusps and not from analysis of bhavas.-KP Reader III, New Edition p 316 They are related to the so-called Golden Rule in the last para in page 309 of KP Reader III (in Old Edition, first para in page 145 Practical Part). , "Suprakash Ghosh" wrote:>> Dear Punitji> > KSK has used cuspal sublord as important significator and p;lanets in its star.Most probably the example is in 3rd reader page 150 (old edition).As far as I can remember the cuspal sublord was Saturn.I'll confirm later.> > Regards> > Suprakash> > - > Punit Pandey > > Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM> Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.> > > > Dear Senthil ji,> > Where in KP readers you find sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as significator. > > There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP readers. > > Thanks Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil athi_ram wrote:> > > Dear Punit,> > You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First top most level) in the siginificator.> > Regards,> > D.Senthil> > > --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey punitp wrote:> > > Punit Pandey punitp Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.> > Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM> > > > Dear Friends, > > As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -> > Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planet> Level 2. House occupied by the planet itself> Level 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet > Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself> Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets> > Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers. > > Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension. > > Thanks Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL wrote:> > > Dear Friends> I never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. > Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.> When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur> > On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > > Dear Friends,> > 1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. > > 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.> > Regards, > TW > > > @gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:> >> > Friends,> > In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> > cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "> > We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.> > Table In the Star of> > 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> > 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> > 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> > 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > > C is in the Star of D> > For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> > By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".> > In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> > " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"> > Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.> > > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India > > > Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> > write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > > > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> >  > > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. > >  > > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> > But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time. > > > >  > > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold signification. > > > >  > > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt. > > > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> >  > > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.> > Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.> >  > > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> > the sub of the sub lord is also important. > > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.> >  > > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.> >  > > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> > Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.> >  > > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> > Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma> >  > > Role of Venus could be there: > > Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> > Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> > Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> > (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)> >  > > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.> >  > >  > > Thanks and Regards> > Adith> > > > > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> >  > > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. > >  > > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that. > >  > > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord. > > > >  > > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. > > > >  > > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time. > > > >  > > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. > >  > > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members. > > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> > Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi. > > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> > I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj> >  > > RPs:> > Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> > Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury> > Day-Moon> >  > > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.> >  > > A STUDY ON RPS:> > EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.> >  > > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> > Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.> > Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> > Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.> >  > > STUDY ON TRANIST:> > The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> > planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub> > Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> > Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> > Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> > Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> > Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> > Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu> >  > > We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.> > > > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> > Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.> >  > > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > > > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.> >  > > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.> >  > > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.> > May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)> > > >  > > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.> >  > > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.> >  > > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.> > > >  > > This is my personal opinion> >  > > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. > >  > > Regards> > Adith> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Pl don't be confused with the very simple and important sublord rule or the KP

Golden Rule that a planet without having any planets in its star is a strong

signifcator of the houses, for which it is the cuspal sublord. Here a planet in

its own star is also treated the same way. That's all, nothing else.

Regards,

TW

 

, " VIJAYANAND PATIL "

<guide_vijayanand wrote:

>

> Dear friends

> If we read " Please note that Saturn is the sublord of 3rd and 9th cusp and

no planet is tenanted in his star except himself. " it clearly indicates 2 things

(1) No planet is in the star of Shani (2) Shani is in its own star.

>

> I will try to point out that when we consider the table of houses for

calculating the cusps, after calculation of 1 to 12 cusps for horoscope, we note

down the sign lord, star lord and sub lord of all the 12 cusps. Then we

calculate planetory setup from ephemaries and planet with degree, minute, second

long. Then also we note the sign lord, star lord and sub lord of all the

planets.

>

> Then we put up all the planets in to the concerned cusps as per long.of

the planet. In certain cases, there may be interception of signs and at the

same time single sign will represent 2 cusps. Lord of intercepted Sign will not

have the lordship of that cusps.

>

> If there is planet in a cusp, then we will find the planet in the star of

that planet. Means a planet will offer the results of its starlord's position

and lordships. If starlord's ownership cusps are unoccupied, A planet will

signify that houses also.

>

> If any cusp is unoccupied then the planet in the star of the lord of the

cusp will signify that unoccupied house, it is our first rule in KP. Am I right?

>

> A planet in the beginning of particular bhava as Sign lord we have seen.

Thus a planet in the beginning of a particular bhava as Star Lord or Sub lord,

and if there is no planets in the star of the starlord of the cusp or there is

no planets in the star of the sub lord of the cusp, then as like the lordship

rule, that cuspal starlord or cuspal sub lord will give the results as it is to

be understood that it is the owner of that cusp.

>

> In general, we take only lord of cusp, thatswhy like the signlord,

cuspal sub lords also taken if its stars are unoccupied or it is in its own

star, then that cuspal sub lord will signify that houses of which he is the

cuspal sub lord.

>

> In addition, as like sign lord, we should also take the cuspal starlord

on the same line. Means if there is no planet in the constellations of the

starlord of cusp or it is in its own star, then that cuspal starlord will

signify that houses of which he is the cuspal starlord.

>

> So many stalwarts are using the same principle as the idea behind the

same is like the UNOCCUPIED CUSP WILL BE SIGNIFIED BY THE LORD OF THE CUSP. NOT

ONLY THIS BUT IF THAT CUSPAL SIGN LORD IS THE STAR LORD OR SUB LORD OF WHICH

HOUSES, THAT HOUSES WILL ALSO SIGNIFY.

>

> Think on it and get understood the idea.

>

> With regards

> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision,

> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+91 9673746303

> write me to: guide_vijayanand

> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:35:09 +0530 wrote

> >

>

3rd, 7th and 9th cusps fall in the sub of Saturn. Hence take Saturn too as a

very strong significator. (for foreign going, TW)-KP Reader III, Old Edition,

Practical Part p 151 Please note that Saturn is the sublord of 3rd and 9th cusp

and no planet is tenanted in his star except himself. So as I mentioned in the

beginning of the article, Saturn has emerged as a strong significator in the

above case (for foreign going, TW), by owning the sub of relevant cusps and not

from analysis of bhavas.-KP Reader III, New Edition p 316 They are related to

the so-called Golden Rule in the last para in page 309 of KP Reader III (in Old

Edition, first para in page 145 Practical Part).--- In

, " Suprakash Ghosh " wrote:>> Dear Punitji> > KSK has

used cuspal sublord as important significator and p;lanets in its star.Most

probably the example is in 3rd reader page 150 (old edition).As far as I can

remember the cuspal sublord was Saturn.I'll confirm later.> > Regards> >

Suprakash> > - > Punit Pandey > To:

> Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM>

Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS

RIGHT OR WRONG.> > > > Dear Senthil ji,> > Where in KP readers you find

sub-lord of a cusp used a significator of that house? Cuspal sub lord is used

just for deciding what is promised in the chart related to a house, NOT as

significator. > > There is one theory, though not found in KP readers, that if

there is no planet in cuspal sub lord's star, cuspal sub lord is treated as

significator of that house. This is another extension of KP used by KP

astrologers now-a-days. There are other theories like cuspal interlinks where

cuspal sub-lord is treated as significator, but doesn't find place in KP

readers. > > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > > On Thu, Oct 22,

2009 at 5:55 AM, Senthil athi_ram@ wrote:> > > Dear Punit,> >

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective

cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the

siginificator.> > Regards,> > D.Senthil> > > ---

On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey punitp@ wrote:> > > Punit

Pandey punitp@> Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF

STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.> To:

> Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22

AM> > > > Dear Friends, > > As far as

signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -> >

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planet> Level 2.

House occupied by the planet itself> Level 3. Houses owned by the

star lord of the planet > Level 4. Houses owned by the planet

itself> Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets> >

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it

is not part of the regular practice. " Connected With " is a concept introduced by

Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers. > > Mr. Bhatt, Mr.

Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all

come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students.

Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of

number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in

future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first

before picking up any extension. > > Thanks & Regards,> >

Punit Pandey> > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND

PATIL wrote:> > > Dear Friends> I

never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the

principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source,

starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. >

Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source,

constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of

us are not aware of the same.> When we consider STARLORD OF

STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is

detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not

happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its

STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it

before all.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur> >

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote > > >> > > > > > >

Dear Friends,> > 1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate

prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a

planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri

Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the

source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. > >

2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there

is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.> >

Regards, > TW > > > @gro

ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:> >> > Friends,>

> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved

Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence " > > cuspal

sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of

concerned bhava. " > > We previously were using only the position

of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had

mentioned this point in detail. > > When we consider the planet

will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are

certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of

cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar

theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.>

> Table In the Star of> > 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B>

> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> > 3.

F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> > 4.

F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > > C

is in the Star of D> > For our sake we are only to consider the F1

means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C>

> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have

totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method

upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is in the Star

of " Y " .> > In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the

chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is

reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> > "

THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME

OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE

SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE " >

> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself

should be significator of 4. > > If anyone wish to have complete

rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to

them personally.> > > Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision,

The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr

a,India > > > Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303>

> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > > >

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> Dear Adith ji,> > Â > > Considering Venus as a

sooksma lord is OK. > > Â > > // Sun is in the star

and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> > But why we

are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of

Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord

Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the

houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's

star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner

and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking

Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub

as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all

the time. > > > > Â > > I like Sundar

ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects

by Venus (opposition)Â and Moon (conjunction)Â both the planets areÂ

significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with

KP five-fold signification. > > > > Â >

> Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to

Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person.

In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12

and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram

ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my

opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by

the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left

unhurt. > > > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey>

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > >

> Â > > > > > > > > >

> Dear Punit ji,> > Â > > I have not used the star

lord of the starlord.> > Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon

who is in the star of Venus. Hope clear.> > Â > >

But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in

finding the strength.> > the sub of the sub lord is also

important. > > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun

is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. >

> Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my

opinion.> > Â > > Pls note there is no Mars role in

the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not

seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.> > Â >

> 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> >

Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the

vehicle.> > Â > > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu-

Venus> > Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>

> Â > > Role of Venus could be there: > > Venus the

lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. >

> Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).>

> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> > Moon who is

in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> >

(venus is also Karaka for vehicle)> > Â > > The

benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars

the lord of 6, would have saved him.> > Â > > Â >

> Thanks and Regards> > Adith> > > > >

> > > Â > > Â > > Â >

> Â > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:>

> > > Â > > > > > > >

> > > Dear Adith ji,> > Â > >

Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have

posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills. >

> Â > > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's

approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should

look into that. > >  > > I do not agree to the

connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord,

Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will

always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and

justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's

StarLord. > > > > Â > > I also feel

that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the

native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I

mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_

system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP,

we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. >

> > > Â > > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv

ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was

similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

> > > > Â > > I wish to see more

discussion on this topic. > > Â > > Also, we need

to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > >

Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > > >

> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:>

> > > Â > > > > > > >

> Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was

about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the

running period. Because of which many different predictions from different

members. > > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of

those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though

not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.>

> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its

significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators

we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life

threateing for the chara rasi. > > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8

accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have

studied the Transit chart.> > I actually did not Do anY BTR as the

RPs at the time of analysies > > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40

Bhuj> > Â > > RPs:> >

Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> > Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury>

> Day-Moon> >  > > Venus and Jupiter were the

Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did

not do it.> > Â > > A STUDY ON RPS:>

> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>

> Â > > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> > Venus

the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspectingÂ

Venus.> > Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again>

> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.> >

 > > STUDY ON TRANIST:> > The Transit on

16/10/2009 at about 8 am> > planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub

lord-Subsub> > Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> > Moon-Mer-Sun-

Jup> > Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> >

Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> > Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu>

> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu> > Â > > We could

see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin

2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and

Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.>

> > > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord

of 4).> > Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved

him.> > Â > > Involvement of mercury as signlord:

mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of

Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is

aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > > >

Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.> > Â > >

Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.> > Â >

> 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and

saving his lfe.> > May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also

here the lord of 6) is not involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars

has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in

the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)>

> > > Â > > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12

shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got

injury and hospitalised.> > Â > > Post mortem is

easy. But useful for further study.> > Â > > HENCE

FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE

TRANISTÂ IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep

in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time

of analysis.> > > > Â > > This is my

personal opinion> > Â > > Any how our senior Yogesh

ji is almost correct in his analysis. > > Â > >

Regards> > Adith> >>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Senthil,

The use of the sub lord of respective cusp or house is again an extension.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 5:55:58 AMRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.@gro ups.comWednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itselfLevel 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:>> Friends,> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.> Table

In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT.

IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are

considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time. > >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold

signification. > > Â > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt. > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > Â > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> Â > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope

clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important. > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.>  > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.>  > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>  > Role of Venus could be there: >

Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)> Â > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.> Â > Â > Thanks and Regards> Adith> > > > Â > Â > Â > Â > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> > Â > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> Â > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our

skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that. >  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord. > >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. > >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time. > >  > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. >  > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >  > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just

analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members. > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi. > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj> Â > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury>

Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun.

It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved

his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards>

Adith>

[Guest guest]

Dear Punit Panday,

I hold a different view Punit...

With the available published research done in K.P., it does not matter if we arrive at 6,7 or 8 or even 9 significators...we can narrow them down to the effective ones,from aong the 'tempters'...easily...now,as follows...

The strongest among them,are those whose stars are not tenanted,

and if further refinement is required,the sub occupied by such a significator should also be one from among the strongest significators... !

Over the years K.P. Stalwarts,instead of having "complicated" the proper selection of significators,have,on the contrary,refined the System considerably...

With the very best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.

GOOD LUCK !

--- On Sat, 10/24/09, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

Luther Rath <rathlutherRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG. Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 6:00 AM

 

 

Dear Senthil,

The use of the sub lord of respective cusp or house is again an extension.

Dr. Rath

 

 

 

Senthil <athi_ram >@gro ups.comThu, October 22, 2009 5:55:58 AMRe: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit,

 

You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the siginificator.

 

Regards,

 

D.Senthil

--- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS RIGHT OR WRONG.@gro ups.comWednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

 

Dear Friends,

 

As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

 

Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planetLevel 2. House occupied by the planet itselfLevel 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itselfLevel 5. Planet aspected by the planets

 

Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification, it is not part of the regular practice. "Connected With" is a concept introduced by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

 

Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions. I would suggest KP beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@ rediffmail. com> wrote:

 

 

 

Dear FriendsI never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor. Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i..e. planet as the source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and many of us are not aware of the same.When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, KolhapurOn Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote >Dear Friends,1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and sub is the deciding factor. 2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning, there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.Regards, TW

 

 

@gro ups.com, "VIJAYANAND PATIL" wrote:>> Friends,> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the significator of concerned bhava. "> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail. > When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1, F2, F3 and F4.> Table

In the Star of> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C. > C is in the Star of D> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub "X" is in the Star of "Y".> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading underv " CONVEYANCE" in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the same of information and ready reference> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN HISLIFE TIME OR NOT.

IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE"> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house itself should be significator of 4. > If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...> > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote> >> > > > > > > Dear Adith ji,>  > Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK. >  > // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //> But why we are

considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses almost all the time. > >  > I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e. aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition) and Moon (conjunction) both the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This goes better with KP five-fold

signification. > > Â > Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person. In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12 and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left unhurt. > > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> > Â > > > > > Dear Punit ji,> Â > I have not used the star lord of the starlord.> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope

clear.>  > But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord also in finding the strength.> the sub of the sub lord is also important. > But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who has no star in its star. Hence powerful. > Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my opinion.>  > Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit. Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of 6.>  > 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to the vehicle.>  > As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma>  > Role of Venus could be there: >

Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter in 1. > Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in 8.> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)> Â > The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity) and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.> Â > Â > Thanks and Regards> Adith> > > > Â > Â > Â > Â > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:> > Â > > > > > Dear Adith ji,> Â > Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our

skills. >  > I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that. >  > I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12 houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of Planet's StarLord's StarLord. > >  > I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/

28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not among DBAS. > >  > I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. / group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able to identify it with the DBAS only that time. > >  > I wish to see more discussion on this topic. >  > Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something. > Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey> > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:> >  > > > > Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz was about an event on a particular date, most of us just

analysed teh DBA of the running period. Because of which many different predictions from different members. > Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This has to be cross checked with him, if possible.> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi. > 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies > BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj> Â > RPs:> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury>

Day-Moon>  > Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.>  > A STUDY ON RPS:> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE RPS.>  > Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is aspecting Venus.> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.>  > STUDY ON TRANIST:> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu>  > We could see the invlovement of Sun.

It is in the star and sub of Moon who is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8 and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of 4.> > Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.>  > Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him. Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house. Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.> > Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.>  > Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.>  > 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and saving his lfe.> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not involved

his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star. But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he might face some injuries during the Mras period.)> >  > 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no role of Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.>  > Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.>  > HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the time of analysis.> >  > This is my personal opinion>  > Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis. >  > Regards>

Adith>

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Not extension, Dear Friends, pl see the origin of KP in --

/message/28730

Regards,

TW

 

 

 

, Luther Rath <rathluther wrote:

>

> Dear Senthil,

> The use of the sub lord of respective cusp or house is again an extension.

> Dr. Rath 

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Senthil <athi_ram

>

> Thu, October 22, 2009 5:55:58 AM

> Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS

RIGHT OR WRONG.

>

>  

> Dear Punit,

>

> You have missed very important LEVEL which is the SUBLORD of the respective

cusp/house. This can be considered as LEVEL 0 (First & top most level) in the

siginificator.

>

> Regards,

>

> D.Senthil

>

>

> --- On Wed, 10/21/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

>

> >Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> >Re: Re: QUIZ 15 : STARLORD OF STARLORD SIGNIFICATION IS

RIGHT OR WRONG.

> >@gro ups.com

> >Wednesday, October 21, 2009, 6:22 AM

> >

> >

> > 

> >Dear Friends,

> >

> >As far as signification is concerned, 5-fold signification is good enough -

> >

> >Level 1. House occupied by the star lord of the planet

> >Level 2. House occupied by the planet itself

> >Level 3. Houses owned by the star lord of the planet

> >Level 4. Houses owned by the planet itself

> >Level 5. Planet aspected by the planets

> >

> >Though Mr. Bhatt and his follower use sub lord of a planet for signification,

it is not part of the regular practice. " Connected With " is a concept introduced

by Mr. Bhatt and generally not found in KP readers.

> >

> >Mr. Bhatt, Mr. Kar, Mr. Sumbramaniam, Mr. Bhskaran, Mr. Khullar, Sunil ji and

many others - all come up with their own extensions to KP. It somehow confuses

new KP students. Also I feel that most of these methods gives us more

signification in terms of number and hence help in justification and

post-mortem, but not much useful in future predictions.  I would suggest KP

beginners to masters basics of KP first before picking up any extension.

> >

> >Thanks & Regards,

> >

> >Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> >On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, VIJAYANAND PATIL <guide_ vijayanand@

rediffmail. com> wrote:

> >

> > 

> >>Dear Friends

> >>I never say to sub sub. Only I have given an example how Pt. Kar had derived

the principle i.e. starlord of starlord. As KSK says as the planet is the

source, starlord is the result and the sub will be the deciding factor.

> >>Nowadays very few astrologers are using this maxim i.e. planet as the

source, constellation lord is the result and the sub as the deciding factor. and

many of us are not aware of the same.

> >>When we consider STARLORD OF STARLORD, it is understood that if the starlord

position as well as lordship is detrimental to the houses to be considered then

we will say matter will not happen. But if the STARLORD itself be the

significator of concerned bhava by its STARLORD, the event will happen

definately. To stress the thing, I am puting it before all.

> >>Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, Kolhapur

> >>

> >>On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:26:41 +0530 wrote

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> >>Dear Friends,

> >>

> >>1. Pl take it easy to make the accurate prediction by simulataneously

juddging the three level signification of a planet, its star and sub levels by

occupation and lordship, as done by Shri Bhatt, his follower Kanak Bosmia and

Umang Taneja since the planet is the source, star is nature of the result, and

sub is the deciding factor.

> >>

> >>2. In the (original) KP with rationale and cause-effect logical reasoning,

there is no sub sub and it is not known what is its rationale.

> >>

> >>Regards,

> >>TW

> >>

> >>

> >>@gro ups.com, " VIJAYANAND PATIL " wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Friends,

> >>> In KP 3rd reader as well as in 6th reader i.e. Horary Astrology, our

beloved Guruji KSK has repeatedly given the dicta of sentence "

> >>> cuspal sub lord should deposit in the constelation lord of which is the

significator of concerned bhava. "

> >>> We previously were using only the position of lord of constelation and the

lordships houses. In my last post I had mentioned this point in detail.

> >>> When we consider the planet will offer the results of the starlord and

predict accordingly, there are certain events that are not matching or showing

with this signification of cusps. By taking into consideration Pandit Kar has

developed multi stellar theory. In this theory, he develops the maxims of F1,

F2, F3 and F4.

> >>> Table In the Star of

> >>> 1. F-1 Planet A is in the Star B

> >>> 2. F-2 Planet A is in the Star B, B is in the Star of C.

> >>> 3. F-3 Planet A is in the sub sub of B, B is in the Star of C.

> >>> 4. F-4 Planet A is in the sub sub of B B is in the Star of C.

> >>> C is in the Star of D

> >>> For our sake we are only to consider the F1 means planet A is in the Star

of B and F2 means Planet B is in the star of C

> >>> By following this method for planet as well as for planet's sub, we will

have totally different significations that we had not got previously by our

method upto Planet A is in the Star of B as well as Planet A's Sub " X " is in the

Star of " Y " .

> >>> In KP 3rd Reader, Predictive Stellar Astrology, in the chapter heading

underv " CONVEYANCE " in the last 4 lines what KSK given is reproduced for the

same of information and ready reference

> >>> " THE SUB LORD OF THE 4TH CUSP SHOWS WHETHER ONE CAN HAVE VEHICLE IN

HISLIFE TIME OR NOT. IF THE SUB LORD IS IN THE CONSTELLATION OF A PLANET WHO IS

THE SIGNIFICATOR OF 4, AND IT IS CONNECTED WITH VENUS ONE MUST HAVE "

> >>> Here KSK has sugggested that the star lord of the sub lord of 4th house

itself should be significator of 4.

> >>> If anyone wish to have complete rules regarding STARLORD OF THE STARLORD

SIGNIFICATION I will send the file to them personally.

> >>> Vijayanand Patil, President, Astrovision, The Scientific Socy.for Research

and Devt. in Astrology, Kolhapur,Maharashtr a,India

> >>> Cell No. +91 9422582853/+ 91 9673746303

> >>> write me to : guide_ vijayanand@ ...

> >>>

> >>> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:19:36 +0530 wrote

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> >>> Dear Adith ji,

> >>>  

> >>> Considering Venus as a sooksma lord is OK.

> >>>  

> >>> // Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. //

> >>> But why we are considering Sun at all? We are considering Sun because Sun

is star lord of Bhukti lord Saturn and Sookshma lord Venus and sub lord of

Mahadasa lord Jupiter. This is the first level. In other words, we can expect

results of the houses signfied at owner and occupant level in birth chart. Now

Sun is in Moon's star, so we can expect results of results of houses signified

by Moon at owner and occupant level. But, in my opinion, we can not go one level

up by checking Moon's star. That way there will be no end to it. In this if we

include sub as well, we can easily find signification of all the twelve houses

almost all the time.

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>> I like Sundar ji's reasoning of utilizing E grade signficators i.e.

aspects. Saturn is aspects by Venus (opposition)  and Moon (conjunction)  both

the planets are significatos of 8th and 12th house indicating accidents. This

goes better with KP five-fold signification.

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>> Jupiter is signifying 3rd house giving some indication of destruction to

Vehicle. Though Jupiter's strong signifcation of 1st and 5th saved the person.

In my opinion, as Mahadasa lord Jupiter was not anyways connected with 6,8,12

and connected with 1,5 - it is the result native was not hurt at all. Sujatkaram

ji mentioned that it is miracle and probably out of control of astrology. In my

opinion, this Jupiter is the divine grace and indicates that he will be saved by

the divine grace. Jupiter in ascendant aspecting Ketu is the reason he left

unhurt.

> >>>

> >>> Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Dear Punit ji,

> >>>  

> >>> I have not used the star lord of the starlord.

> >>> Here Sun is in the star and sub of MOon who is in the star of Venus. Hope

clear.

> >>>  

> >>> But pls note some times, we have to look into the star lord of star lord

also in finding the strength.

> >>> the sub of the sub lord is also important.

> >>> But here Moon the sub lord and star lord of Sun is in the sub of Sat who

has no star in its star. Hence powerful. 

> >>> Hence we have to keep our views broad. Not just as formulae. This is my

opinion.

> >>>  

> >>> Pls note there is no Mars role in the picture in DBAS amd also in Transit.

Also the 6th signfication is also not seen. Mars is the the only signficatir of

6.

> >>>  

> >>> 8 showed his worries, tension and 12 shows his loss.

> >>> Signfication of 3 (12 to4 ) and 11 (8 to 4) by Jupiter shows the danger to

the vehicle.

> >>>  

> >>> As per my DBAS: Jup-Sat-Ketu- Venus

> >>> Ketu is the Andra Lord and Venus is the Sukhsma

> >>>  

> >>> Role of Venus could be there:

> >>> Venus the lord of 8 and 12 in 8 and also 1. It is in the star of Jupiter

in 1.

> >>> Venus is in the sub of Sat (4,2). Sat is in the star of Ketu (5).

> >>> Here the Venus is aspected by Sat the lord of 4.

> >>> Moon who is in Venus star also aspectes Venus who is lord of 8 and 12 in

8.

> >>> (venus is also Karaka for vehicle)

> >>>  

> >>> The benefic (lord of 5) Jupiter's aspect to 5 and 8 (house of longevity)

and Mars the lord of 6, would have saved him.

> >>>  

> >>>  

> >>> Thanks and Regards

> >>> Adith

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>>  

> >>>  

> >>>  

> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Punit Pandey wrote:

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Dear Adith ji,

> >>>  

> >>> Discussion on all the quizzes is very important. I appreciate that you

have posted your post-quiz analysis. It will help us improving our skills.

> >>>  

> >>> I agree that the role of transit it important. Lajmi ji's approach is best

suited for such kind of predictions and all KP students should look into that.

> >>>  

> >>> I do not agree to the connection of Venus with Sun. What is you are using

is Sun, Sun's Star Lord, Sun's StarLord's Star Lord, and Sun's StarLord's Sub

Lord. This way you will always able to find signification of almost all the 12

houses all the time and justify all the events. I do not understand usage of

Planet's StarLord's StarLord.

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>> I also feel that if 8th and 12th house were involved, there must me some

hurting to the native which didn't happen. I wonder whether the Venus was

involved or not. As I mentioned in my other email to Lajmi ji  (http://groups.

/ group/k_p_ system/message/ 28634), Ketu seems more reasonable in

place of Venus. As per KP, we need not to bother much about Venus if it is not

among DBAS.

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>> I also remember earlier quiz by Rajiv ji (http://groups. /

group/k_p_ system/message/ 27464) which was similar in nature. People were able

to identify it with the DBAS only that time.

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>> I wish to see more discussion on this topic.

> >>>  

> >>> Also, we need to have more quizzes of this nature to conclude something.

> >>> Thanks Regards,Punit Pandey

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:01 PM, adith kasinath.g.k wrote:

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> Dear Punit ji,I hope the following area we have to look into:When the Quiz

was about an event on a particular date, most of us just analysed teh DBA of the

running period. Because of which many different predictions from different

members.

> >>> Though thier predictions were wrong, I hope out of those some predictions

would have come true in that particular period, though not in that date. This

has to be cross checked with him, if possible.

> >>> Hence we should have given importance to the Transit of the planets and

its significations to the birth chart on that particular date.With the

signficators we can arrive at may probabilities. 2,7,11 signfications shows

marriage, life threateing for the chara rasi.

> >>> 2,5,11 birth of child4,11,8 accident (11 is badaka) 5,1 escape or live

saving and so onI hope we should have studied the Transit chart.

> >>> I actually did not Do anY BTR as the RPs at the time of analysies

> >>> BT: 6.23 AM 25/5/59 23n15 69e40 Bhuj

> >>>  

> >>> RPs:

> >>> Moon-Venus-Jupter- Jupiter

> >>> Asc-Venus-Moon- Mercury

> >>> Day-Moon

> >>>  

> >>> Venus and Jupiter were the Asc co rulers in the birth chart and Venus is

also the Birth chart, hence I did not do it.

> >>>  

> >>> A STUDY ON RPS:

> >>> EVEN IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE RPs, JUPITER,VENUS, MERCURY AND MOON ARE THE

RPS.

> >>>  

> >>> Jupiter shows the survival(1,5)

> >>> Venus the signficator of 8,12 in hthe sub of sat the lord of 4. Sat is

aspecting Venus.

> >>> Mercury: the badaka lord in the sub of Sat again

> >>> Moon the signfcator of 8,12 and 4. It is aspected by Venus.

> >>>  

> >>> STUDY ON TRANIST:

> >>> The Transit on 16/10/2009 at about 8 am

> >>> planet-signlord- Starlord- Sub lord-Subsub

> >>> Sun-Mer-Mars- Sat

> >>> Moon-Mer-Sun- Jup

> >>> Dasa :Jupiter-sat- Moon-Sun

> >>> Bukthi:Sat-Mer- Sun-Sat

> >>> Andra:Ketu-Moon- Jup-Rahu

> >>> Sukshma: Venus-Mer-Sun- Ketu

> >>>  

> >>> We could see the invlovement of Sun. It is in the star and sub of Moon who

is positedin 2. Moon is in the star of Venus who is posited in 8 as lord of 8

and 12. and Moon is in the sub of sat (no planet in its star) who is the lord of

4.

> >>>

> >>> Venus the lord of 8,12 aspects both Moon and Sat (the lord of 4).

> >>> Jupiter lord of 5 aspects 5 and 8 house which saved him.

> >>>  

> >>> Involvement of mercury as signlord: mercury is the Badaka lord for him.

Mercury is in the star of Sun and sub of Rahu who is in 11 itself. Badaka house.

Rahu is in the star of Moon in 2 who is aspected by venus the lord of 8 and 12.

> >>>

> >>> Involvement of sat the signficator of 4.

> >>>  

> >>> Involvement of Jup strong signficator of 1. Life saving.

> >>>  

> >>> 4,8,12,11,5 and Venus could be the reason for the accident in vehlicle and

saving his lfe.

> >>> May be Mars the Karaka for the injury (and also here the lord of 6) is not

involved his role during the transit and DBAs. (Mars has no planet in iits star.

But Mars is the Cstar lord of 4,812 cusps. He is in the sub of Rahu .hence he

might face some injuries during the Mras period.)

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>> 8 shows his mental worries, pain, 12 shows the loss to him. As there is no

role of  Mars, he might not have got injury and hospitalised.

> >>>  

> >>> Post mortem is easy. But useful for further study.

> >>>  

> >>> HENCE FOR ANY ANALYSIS OF AN EVENT AT A PARTICLUAR DATE , THE ANALYSIS ON

THE TRANIST IS MOST IMPORTANT along with the Analysis on the DBAS . We must

keep in mind the Aspects of the planets  We can have a study on the RPs at the

time of analysis.

> >>>

> >>>  

> >>> This is my personal opinion

> >>>  

> >>> Any how our senior Yogesh ji is almost correct in his analysis.

> >>>  

> >>> Regards

> >>> Adith

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