FW: Sub lord or sub-sub lord ?

October 24, 2009

Dear Vishramji,

You are getting confused unnecessarily.

There is no mention about

Sub-sub or sub-sub-sub in the K.P.Book.

Pl. confine with Sub alone.

There is no 2nd level or 3rd

level.

Truly yours,

K.S.V.Ramani

On Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

24 October 2009 13:41

KP System Forum

Sub lord or

sub-sub lord ?

Dear Friends,

On page 162, KP reader 5, (2007) there is a rule. " If Mars Dasa Kethu Bhukthi

Kethu Anthra operates, then 0 to 0 -46' - 40 " may be transitted or Kethu

star, Mars sub, Ket sub sub OR ethu star, Kethu sub, Mars sub sub eill be

transitted by Mars Kethu or Sun. "

There is one more rule on page 161 " Thus the source is

indicated by the transitting planet & what will happen is shown by the lord

of constellation. Whether it will materialiseor not, whether it is favourable

or not is indicated by sub lordaccording to the house signified by the sub

lord "

Now my doubt.....

In the first rule Guruji has told to check transitin a

sequence Sign- Star- Sub. Second option is Star- sub- sub sub. Third option is

yet another variety of Star- sub- sub sub. To find whether the transit is

favourable or not we have to think of sub lord. In the first option of transit,

sub is third level sub division of the first part of sequence (i.e. of

sign) In the second or third options sub is second level sub division of the of

the first part of sequence (i.e. of star) Now my doubt is -- If a planet is transitting through

sequence of second or third option, can we consider the lord of sub sub as lord

of sub , because this is the third level sub division of the of the first part

of the sequence (i.e. of star) ? I feel that this matches with the basic

consept adopted by Guruji.

Or we have to take only the real sub lord which lord of

second level sub division of the first part of sequence ?

Most respectfully I would like to say that many of the

doubts posted earlier have not been attended yet by any one. Previously,

there was a chance to others to tell me to read the " original "

material, but now, these doubts have come up when I read all six readers &

couldn't find the related rule.

Thanks & regards,

Vishram Deshpande

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October 25, 2009

Dear Vishramji,

Thanks for your message. I don’t

have the 2007 Edition. As far as

my knowledge goes, I have not seen having

used “sub-sub” or sub-sub-

sub by late Sri K.S.K. Subsequent

writers have on further research have

elaborated the usage of Sub-sub etc.

Planet signies its star lord’s

signification; whether such signification

will be beneficial or not is decided by its Sub lord. Similarly Dasa,

Bhukthi and Anthara, in KP

System Dasa is akin to Planet, Bhukthi is

akin to Star lord and Anthara

Is akin to Sub Lord. Bhukthi is

subservient to Dasa and Anthara is

Subservient to Dasa & Bhukthi

lords. In my opinion, Anthara-anthara

i.e. sub-sub cannot over rule the dictate

of DBA. As such, when

sub lord (Anthara) denies an event as not

fruitful, how can the Sub-Sub can promise the event as fruitful, when it is

negated by Sub lord?

At the most, Sub-Sub can

modify to some extent the event promised by Sub-Lord. Sub-sub is used when 2 or

3 Planets are in the same sub signifying a matter & to pick up the right

useful planet. Only in this context, I wrote to you to confine with Sub

only. If I am wrong, seniors may kindly give their opinion & correct

position.

Truly yours,

K.S.V.Ramani

On Behalf Of Vishram Deshpande

25 October 2009 00:12

Re: Sub lord

or sub-sub lord ?

Dear Dr Rath ji & Ramani ji,

To avoid duplication I am sending same mail to both of you. First of all I

thank both of you for your guidance & showing interest to help.

As mentioned by Rath ji, I understand that the sequence is not important & its

clear to me.

As mentioned by Ramani ji, I don't think I am confused. Sign is the biggest,

star is medium & sub is smallest. If we think this way, sub becomes third

level sub division of sign.(I purposely didn't say " step " , that could

have confused readers even more) This has no connection with any steps/folds

but its a common man's language.If we see them in three different font sizes

according to sizes of sign star sub you will come to know why I called them

third level sub division. (Sign star sub) May be , the wording used by me didn't serve the

purpose, but I am very clear about what exactly I wanted to ask. As written by

by Ramani ji, I didn't write sub sub sub (3 times) but its sub sub only. He

says that there is no mention of sub sub in any KP book. This is surprising. KP

reader 5, page 162, (2007) There it is clearly mentioned. Pl see in red colour " If

Mars Dasa Kethu Bhukthi Kethu Anthra operates, then 0 to 0 -46' - 40 " may

be transited or Kethu star, Mars sub, Ket sub sub OR kethu star, Kethu sub, Mars sub sub will be transited by

Mars Kethu or Sun. "

Now coming to the main point again, I still feel that my

real doubt is yet not cleared. Let me put it again in some other words. If we

think of two different transits & if we have to find out whether they are

favourable or not we will have to consider sub lord.

Case 1 Sign(A)

Star(B) sub©

case 2 Star(X) sub(Y) sub sub(Z)

In case 1, sub lord is C & at third level but in case

2, sub lord is Y & at second level. My question

is do we need to select the sub lord only, no matter at what level it is ? Or

we need to consider level also ? If we consider level it will be sub sub lord.

Hope this conveys my doubt.

Dear Sirs, I respect both of you as you are highly experienced in KP. I

see myself being respected at the place where I am working because I have 30

years of experience as an engineer. Very similarly I feel that every

experienced person in any field must be respected. Please don't misunderstand

me.

Thanks & regards.

Vishram Deshpande

Luther Rath

Sat, 24 October, 2009

6:53:20 PM

Re: Sub lord

or sub-sub lord ?

Dear Sir,

It is not that the sequence is important here.

The rule is written regarding transit. It is regarding

transit of lords of Dasa and Bhukti and one of the luminaries. Dasa Lord is

Mars, Bhukti lord is Kethu, Antara Lord is also Kethu and the luminary is Sun.

So the planets are Mars, Kethu and Sun. Sun is not a ruling planet. The ruling

planets are only Mars and Kethu. The rule says the planets should transit

in such a zone that is ruled by Mars and Kethu, the Dasa, Bhukti and Antara

lords. The sequence of Mars and Kethu is not important but the zone should be

ruled by both Mars and Kethu. Had the period was ruled by Mars Dasa, Kethu

Bhukti and Venus Antara then then these lords should transit in such a zone

that is governed by Mars, kethu and Venus conjointly in any sequence. Sun ought

to transit also in such a zone.

Dr. Rath

Vishram

Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>