Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Dear Yogeshji, Here is the DOB details that I seek BTR Feb 7, 1994; 21:33; Almora thanks Bhuwan Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi Sent: Wed, 28 October, 2009 12:21:04 PMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Bhuwan, Pl. send me the TOB(to be checked/corrected, POB & DOB... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi.--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ > wrote: Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ >Re: Quiz 16@gro ups.comTuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:55 PM Dear Yogeshji, I tried this approach but then I find my Kunda, Pranapada don't match. I also use D9 chart to verify the date of marriage by Sun's progression or JU's aspect to the house in natal 7th lord's position in D9. I succeed only say 50% of time. If you are using some other quick tricks please share. I am happy if I can find Bhukti lord accurately for any event, it works well both in KP and KAS( with say 80% accuracy ), but in very few cases Dasa lord is also not that obvious, then everything goes haywire. Finding accurate bhukti lord for any event is essentially the key ingredient for timing the event. Now you may argue that why I mix so many systems, the answer is to do the check and balances for compensation for BTR. Do I get better result? the answer is plain NO, but gives me some needed confidence in prediction. Regards Bhuwan Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Bhuwan Aggarwal <bhuwan.aggarwal@ >Tue, 27 October, 2009 10:49:52 AMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Bhuwan, There are three or more methods of doing a BTR...in any case the correctness of a BTR should be verified by the different methods prescribed,and especially from the IXth cusp of the corrected Birth Chart... In my personal experience it has been found that if the corrected TOB arrived at,is within + or - 25-30 minutes of the given TOB,the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant,appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord respectively. Personally I settle on a TOB after cross-checking it by atleast 2 more methods...and if available,verifying the various milestones,in his/her life...if a newborn, then the sex should be verifiable correctly from the Chart... (Pl.refer Astrosecrets & K.P.,by the late M.P Shanmugham) However readers are requested to offer their comments and critique,only after trying out these methods abs verifying carefully... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi. --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ > wrote: Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ >Re: Quiz 16@gro ups.comMonday, October 26, 2009, 5:01 PM Dear Dr. Rath, Somehow I have my own personal reservations about BTR, the reason being is the very sensitive nature of sub lords. I have the same reasoning for the transits as well .e.g. when a transiting planet is triggering/aspectti ng an exact square or oppostion in natal chart , event certainly happens ( If supported by DBA ) but the aspect could be within 10 - degrees and sometimes it works in a very smal window, therefore hard to tell exactly when the event actually activates. Therefore, first level of prediction can be achieved by using a bigger window and some other observations. Given the time and finding an event is lot easier problem compared to accurate timing of an event. The latter, I find very challenging and hard to quantify. Regards Bhuwan Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comMon, 26 October, 2009 7:07:26 AMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Sir, How could it be possible to guess when the birth time itself is not correct. Kindly rectify your birth time first. The quiz may be an unnecessary hurdle and waste of time. Dr. Rath Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ >@gro ups.comSun, October 25, 2009 9:20:52 PMRe: Quiz 16 Four possibilities exist , either death of a parent, heart attack, loss of spouse or start of a new business. Therefore, the accuracy is 25%. Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>KP System Forum <@gro ups.com>Sun, 25 October, 2009 3:56:10 PM Quiz 16 Dear Friends,On 30/05/1999 I had to face something very significant in life, which I would like you astrologers to guess. Following is my birth dataDOB 21/08/1956TOB 23:35 (as told by parents)TOB 22:47:52 (as rectified by Vijayanand Patil ji) I was very much doubtful about the TOB being wrong by nearly 1 hourPlace - Pandharpur, Maharashtra (75 E 20, 17 N 40)Details of what exactly happened will be posted on coming Wednesday.Thanks & regards.Vishram Deshpande Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! Try the new India Homepage. India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Dear Sujata, Thanks for your reply. However I find that with 5.06am Asc Sub Lord Mercury does not match with the Moon Star lord Moon and Asc Sub Sub Lord sun does not match with moon sub lord jupiter Then how can the time be correct? kindly elaborate. thanks again santhosh sujata das <sujatadash1 Sent: Tue, 27 October, 2009 8:34:45 PMRe: Quiz 16 Dear SantoshUr sun is in rapt conjunction with ju, thus ss of asc ie sun will give the result of sublord of moon as jup..So 5-06 am is the correct birthtimeRegardsSujata Santhosh <santhosh10 >@gro ups.comTue, 27 October, 2009 12:11:56 PMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Yogeshji, my original TOB was 5.06am.. I did a BTR and arrived at 5.11am. However, I am not getting my Asc SL and SSL to agree with StL and SL of the moon. can you please help me. DOB: 10-Aug-1967 POB: 76E28 09N18 Kerala, India Thanks santhosh Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Bhuwan Aggarwal <bhuwan.aggarwal@ >Tue, 27 October, 2009 10:49:52 AMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Bhuwan, There are three or more methods of doing a BTR...in any case the correctness of a BTR should be verified by the different methods prescribed,and especially from the IXth cusp of the corrected Birth Chart... In my personal experience it has been found that if the corrected TOB arrived at,is within + or - 25-30 minutes of the given TOB,the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant,appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord respectively. Personally I settle on a TOB after cross-checking it by atleast 2 more methods...and if available,verifying the various milestones,in his/her life...if a newborn, then the sex should be verifiable correctly from the Chart... (Pl.refer Astrosecrets & K.P.,by the late M.P Shanmugham) However readers are requested to offer their comments and critique,only after trying out these methods abs verifying carefully... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi. --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ > wrote: Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ >Re: Quiz 16@gro ups.comMonday, October 26, 2009, 5:01 PM Dear Dr. Rath, Somehow I have my own personal reservations about BTR, the reason being is the very sensitive nature of sub lords. I have the same reasoning for the transits as well .e.g. when a transiting planet is triggering/aspectti ng an exact square or oppostion in natal chart , event certainly happens ( If supported by DBA ) but the aspect could be within 10 - degrees and sometimes it works in a very smal window, therefore hard to tell exactly when the event actually activates. Therefore, first level of prediction can be achieved by using a bigger window and some other observations. Given the time and finding an event is lot easier problem compared to accurate timing of an event.. The latter, I find very challenging and hard to quantify. Regards Bhuwan Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comMon, 26 October, 2009 7:07:26 AMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Sir, How could it be possible to guess when the birth time itself is not correct. Kindly rectify your birth time first. The quiz may be an unnecessary hurdle and waste of time. Dr. Rath Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan..agrawal@ >@gro ups.comSun, October 25, 2009 9:20:52 PMRe: Quiz 16 Four possibilities exist , either death of a parent, heart attack, loss of spouse or start of a new business. Therefore, the accuracy is 25%. Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>KP System Forum <@gro ups.com>Sun, 25 October, 2009 3:56:10 PM Quiz 16 Dear Friends,On 30/05/1999 I had to face something very significant in life, which I would like you astrologers to guess. Following is my birth dataDOB 21/08/1956TOB 23:35 (as told by parents)TOB 22:47:52 (as rectified by Vijayanand Patil ji) I was very much doubtful about the TOB being wrong by nearly 1 hourPlace - Pandharpur, Maharashtra (75 E 20, 17 N 40)Details of what exactly happened will be posted on coming Wednesday.Thanks & regards.Vishram Deshpande Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Dear santhosh, This RBT rule will not work for all case please see the message ID 28973 for more details. /message/28973 GOOD LUCK! D.Senthil --- On Wed, 10/28/09, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote: Santhosh <santhosh10Re: Quiz 16 Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 11:25 PM Dear Sujata, Thanks for your reply. However I find that with 5.06am Asc Sub Lord Mercury does not match with the Moon Star lord Moon and Asc Sub Sub Lord sun does not match with moon sub lord jupiter Then how can the time be correct? kindly elaborate. thanks again santhosh sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>@gro ups.comTue, 27 October, 2009 8:34:45 PMRe: Quiz 16 Dear SantoshUr sun is in rapt conjunction with ju, thus ss of asc ie sun will give the result of sublord of moon as jup..So 5-06 am is the correct birthtimeRegardsSujata Santhosh <santhosh10 >@gro ups.comTue, 27 October, 2009 12:11:56 PMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Yogeshji, my original TOB was 5.06am.. I did a BTR and arrived at 5.11am. However, I am not getting my Asc SL and SSL to agree with StL and SL of the moon. can you please help me. DOB: 10-Aug-1967 POB: 76E28 09N18 Kerala, India Thanks santhosh Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Bhuwan Aggarwal <bhuwan.aggarwal@ >Tue, 27 October, 2009 10:49:52 AMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Bhuwan, There are three or more methods of doing a BTR...in any case the correctness of a BTR should be verified by the different methods prescribed,and especially from the IXth cusp of the corrected Birth Chart... In my personal experience it has been found that if the corrected TOB arrived at,is within + or - 25-30 minutes of the given TOB,the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant,appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord respectively. Personally I settle on a TOB after cross-checking it by atleast 2 more methods...and if available,verifying the various milestones,in his/her life...if a newborn, then the sex should be verifiable correctly from the Chart... (Pl.refer Astrosecrets & K.P.,by the late M.P Shanmugham) However readers are requested to offer their comments and critique,only after trying out these methods abs verifying carefully... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi. --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ > wrote: Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ >Re: Quiz 16@gro ups.comMonday, October 26, 2009, 5:01 PM Dear Dr. Rath, Somehow I have my own personal reservations about BTR, the reason being is the very sensitive nature of sub lords. I have the same reasoning for the transits as well .e.g. when a transiting planet is triggering/aspectti ng an exact square or oppostion in natal chart , event certainly happens ( If supported by DBA ) but the aspect could be within 10 - degrees and sometimes it works in a very smal window, therefore hard to tell exactly when the event actually activates. Therefore, first level of prediction can be achieved by using a bigger window and some other observations. Given the time and finding an event is lot easier problem compared to accurate timing of an event.. The latter, I find very challenging and hard to quantify. Regards Bhuwan Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comMon, 26 October, 2009 7:07:26 AMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Sir, How could it be possible to guess when the birth time itself is not correct. Kindly rectify your birth time first. The quiz may be an unnecessary hurdle and waste of time. Dr. Rath Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan..agrawal@ >@gro ups.comSun, October 25, 2009 9:20:52 PMRe: Quiz 16 Four possibilities exist , either death of a parent, heart attack, loss of spouse or start of a new business. Therefore, the accuracy is 25%. Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>KP System Forum <@gro ups.com>Sun, 25 October, 2009 3:56:10 PM Quiz 16 Dear Friends,On 30/05/1999 I had to face something very significant in life, which I would like you astrologers to guess. Following is my birth dataDOB 21/08/1956TOB 23:35 (as told by parents)TOB 22:47:52 (as rectified by Vijayanand Patil ji) I was very much doubtful about the TOB being wrong by nearly 1 hourPlace - Pandharpur, Maharashtra (75 E 20, 17 N 40)Details of what exactly happened will be posted on coming Wednesday.Thanks & regards.Vishram Deshpande Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Dear Senthil ji, Thank you very much for your detailed explanation & clarification of my points. As the quiz was put up by me I didn't participate, but the way you did the thinking about a twin birth is also highly agreeable & I think if I were with the similar situation in a quiz I too could have thought of a twin birth. But at the same time you have shown that the RPs at the time of judgement are clearly matching to what happened. Does this mean that a horary chart can show (not always) more than one probabilities & the astrologer has to select the most suitable out of it either by his experience or by using some rule ? If there is any rule as such, what it is ? Though I am not experienced like you, what I feel that, out of those who participated in the quiz didn't consider transit of any planet. We say (according to KP reader - Transit) that getting suitable DBAS is just not sufficient to make the things happen but it needs to be activated by some transiting planet. In your answer too, (about twin birth) sub lord/star lord of transiting planet could have possibly indicated what to choose from "twin birth" or "poisoning." My intention to mention all this is not to find some body's mistakes but to clear my own doubts through some discussion & I request all not to consider otherwise. I have seen that after any quiz there comes some discussion & it is very much useful to all at starting or middle level of learning. I request the moderator to allow more & more quizzes( 1 quiz per week) which will help all to enrich their knowledge Thanks & regards. Vishram Deshpande Senthil <athi_ram Cc: vishram_deshpandeSent: Wed, 28 October, 2009 7:44:50 PMRe: Re: Quiz 16 Dear Vishram Deshpande, Please find below explanation for the answer given by me for Quiz-16 and clarification for your points. Ruling Planets: Ruling Planets at the time of judgment (27th October 2009, 20:28:54hrs at Seoul). Geocentric latitude= 37:23:51 N & Geographic longitude = 127:03:00E RP Sign Star Sub1 Sub2 ASC MER MAR MER MAR MOO SAT MAR RAH® MOO Day Lord: MAR In RP Chart NODES Sign Star Sub1 Sub2 RAH® SAT SUN RAH® MAR KET® MOO JUP MAR VEN RP ascendant sub lord will revel the nature of the query. Here MER is the ascendant sub lord. MER is the lord of 2,5 in 5. MER indicates some dual activity (as it is a Dual planet). MER is in MAR star VEN sub. MAR is sub of 12 owning 12th house occupied in 2.VEN is the karaka for vehicle sub of 7th house owning 6 occupied in 5th house. Here the 2,7 indicates Maraka (life threatening matter, 7th for the thief), 5,VEN (Luxury vehicle), 6 indicates about interview/service & 12 indicates hospitalization/ expenditure & foreign place. If we look at the MOON (karaka for mind) it will tell what is in your mind. Here MOO is the star lord of the cusp 5,9 owning 3rd house occupied in 9th house. MOO is in MAR star RAH® sub. MAR is sub of 12 owning 12th house occupied in 2. RAH® is sub of 3,5,9,11 occupied in 8. RAH® being a node represents SAT who is the lord of 9,10 in 4. Here the MOON signifies all the points mentioned by you. Kindly note that here the birth chart is not used in detail. From the Ascendant sub lord MER in 5th house. For which I have taken karaka as child birth (2,5-child birth, 7-wife involvement, 12 expenditure, 6(12th to 7th) wife hospitalized) & as the MER is the dual planet I have told that it may be twin birth. As the MAR is involved the chance for surgery is possible. From the RP MAR, MER, SAT is strong. On 30-05-1999 at 8:30PM(approx) the MOON is transiting in MAR-SAT which is taken as event time. As mentioned by you the event stated 7:00PM (You ate the chocolate) and so on…. 2PM at this time the MOON is in MAR sign JUP/SAT star. Dr.Rath and myself have compiled the Ruling planets used by individual astrologers to fix one RBT and we have proved that all the individual astrologer’s RP are giving same result only. But the individual astrologers interpreted it in different way hence they have given different RBT. So as mentioned by our Guru KSK RP will never fail. It always helps the astrologer and gives the correct clue but the individuals interpret it in different way hence the prediction goes wrong. As mentioned by KSK, the RP will link the house cusp related to the query (Hope our TW has given some extract from reader regarding the query about disease & 6th cusp relation). Hence my suggestion is either Birth chart RP & Judgment time RP shall have link or at least the Judgment time RP should link with matter in query (either fruitful or denial) to consider that the given birth time is correct. Otherwise ratification of birth time is required though the client is not doubting/rising about his/her birth time. This is my opinion. GOOD LUCK! Thanks & Regards D.Senthil--- On Wed, 10/28/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote: Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>Re: Re: Quiz 16@gro ups.comWednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:15 AM Dear Friends, In KP astrology roll of RPs is considered to be very important & predictions / BTR based on RPs is are always accepted by all KP lovers saying its a divine help from God. We see that these things always help astrologers whenever any doubt arises. But question comes to my mind, why BTR done by different astrologers didn't match in case of quiz 16 ? Is it really necessary to do BTR ? One guessing based on time given by my parents (non BTR processed) also worked & came close to the actual event. In a recent post I read that BTR should be done only if some one is doubtful about the birth time. But it is very clear that no one can confirm his birth time himself & he has no option other than believing on what was recorded by others. In such cases ( better to say, all cases) every one should be doubtful about the time & every TOB must be rectified. Some astrologers say that these days everywhere recording time is done correctly but we see that even if we use hi-tech watches we have difference of time every where, then what should have been the condition few years back when we used to have ordinary watches ? I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this matter so that no one makes any mistake at the very first step of analysing any birth chart. Thanks & regards. Vishram Deshpande Sundar <sundar190561@ .co. in>@gro ups.comMon, 26 October, 2009 10:25:43 AM Re: Quiz 16 Dear VishramMy analysis are as follows:Time rectified to 22.45. Ayanamsha is 23.09.41HOuse Occupant's star Occupant Owners' star owner1 sun ket - mars2 - - jup venus3 jup venus - mer4 mer sun ketu moon5 mars,venus jup,mer mer sun6 - - - mer7 moon,sat,rahu rahu,sat jup venus8 - - - mars9 - - mars,venus jup10 ketu moon sat,rahu sat11 - mars sat,rahu sat12 - - mars,venus jupPlanet Housessun 1,4,5moon 7,10,4mars 5,11,9,12,1, 8mer 4,5,3,6jup 3,5,2,7,9,12venus 5,3,9,12,2,7sat 7,10,11rahu 7,10,11ketu 10,1,4Rahu=mars(11, 1-8)ketu=venus(3, 2-7)(I) Dasha sat/sun/sunPlanet Star Subsat+(7,10-11) sat(7,10-11) sat(7,10-11)sun(4.5) Ketu(1,2,3,7) mars+(11,1-8)sun(4.5) Ketu(1,2,3,7) mars+(11,1-8)Sun is closely aspected by moon(10,4)Sun is closely aspected by sat(7,10-11)(II) On tranist date 30th May 1999Planet Star Subsat(12,10-11) venus(3,2-7) moon(8,4)sun(1,5) moon(8,4) jup(12,9-12)Moon(8,4) mer(2,3-6) mer(2,3-6)Moon is aspected by mercury(2,3- 6)(III) In the natal charta) Saturn is transiting in venus star and moon sub, venus signifies 5,3,9,12,2,7 and moon signifies 7,10,4b) Sun is transiting in Moon star and jup sub, moon signifies 7,10,4 and jup signifies 3,5,2,7,9,12 Possibilities are1. You would have had an heart attack and got hospitalisedSun is the significator for heart is in the star of moon in 8th and in the sub of jupiter in 12.In the natal chart cuspal s/l of 4th is venus is in the star & sub of jupiter in 5, l/o 9,12. THe significatore for heart, Sun is in 5, l/o 5 and in the star of ketu in 1 (representing venus in 3,2-7) and in the sub of mars in 11,1-8. 2. You would have met with vehiculer accident and got hospitalised.3. You would have resigned from the service and gone to foreign country for business purpose.Thanks...... ....Sundar@gro ups.com, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > On 30/05/1999 I had to face something very significant in life, which I would like you astrologers to guess. Following is my birth data> > DOB 21/08/1956> TOB 23:35 (as told by parents)> TOB 22:47:52 (as rectified by Vijayanand Patil ji) I was very much doubtful about the TOB being wrong by nearly 1 hour> Place - Pandharpur, Maharashtra (75 E 20, 17 N 40)> > Details of what exactly happened will be posted on coming Wednesday.> > Thanks & regards.> > Vishram Deshpande> > > > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! http://in.. com/trynew> Now, send attachments up to 25MB with India Mail. Learn how. From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Santosh The csl of asc. shud signify either the rasi lord of moon or nak. of moon. Mer, csl of Asc. signifies the moon's sign lard, Sun is ss of asc. which is in rapt conj. with moons sublord. If u r not satisfied with this, try 5 -28 as birth time. It fulfills all of Mr Lajmis conditions. But chek if it tallies with events in ur life Regards Sujata --- On Thu, 29/10/09, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote: Santhosh <santhosh10Re: Quiz 16 Date: Thursday, 29 October, 2009, 11:55 AM Dear Sujata, Thanks for your reply. However I find that with 5.06am Asc Sub Lord Mercury does not match with the Moon Star lord Moon and Asc Sub Sub Lord sun does not match with moon sub lord jupiter Then how can the time be correct? kindly elaborate. thanks again santhosh sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>@gro ups.comTue, 27 October, 2009 8:34:45 PMRe: Quiz 16 Dear SantoshUr sun is in rapt conjunction with ju, thus ss of asc ie sun will give the result of sublord of moon as jup..So 5-06 am is the correct birthtimeRegardsSujata Santhosh <santhosh10 >@gro ups.comTue, 27 October, 2009 12:11:56 PMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Yogeshji, my original TOB was 5.06am.. I did a BTR and arrived at 5.11am. However, I am not getting my Asc SL and SSL to agree with StL and SL of the moon. can you please help me. DOB: 10-Aug-1967 POB: 76E28 09N18 Kerala, India Thanks santhosh Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@ >@gro ups.comCc: Bhuwan Aggarwal <bhuwan.aggarwal@ >Tue, 27 October, 2009 10:49:52 AMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Bhuwan, There are three or more methods of doing a BTR...in any case the correctness of a BTR should be verified by the different methods prescribed,and especially from the IXth cusp of the corrected Birth Chart... In my personal experience it has been found that if the corrected TOB arrived at,is within + or - 25-30 minutes of the given TOB,the sublord and the sub-sublord of the Ascendant,appear as the Moon's starlord and sublord respectively. Personally I settle on a TOB after cross-checking it by atleast 2 more methods...and if available,verifying the various milestones,in his/her life...if a newborn, then the sex should be verifiable correctly from the Chart... (Pl.refer Astrosecrets & K.P.,by the late M.P Shanmugham) However readers are requested to offer their comments and critique,only after trying out these methods abs verifying carefully... With best wishes, Yogesh Lajmi. --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ > wrote: Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan.agrawal@ >Re: Quiz 16@gro ups.comMonday, October 26, 2009, 5:01 PM Dear Dr. Rath, Somehow I have my own personal reservations about BTR, the reason being is the very sensitive nature of sub lords. I have the same reasoning for the transits as well .e.g. when a transiting planet is triggering/aspectti ng an exact square or oppostion in natal chart , event certainly happens ( If supported by DBA ) but the aspect could be within 10 - degrees and sometimes it works in a very smal window, therefore hard to tell exactly when the event actually activates. Therefore, first level of prediction can be achieved by using a bigger window and some other observations. Given the time and finding an event is lot easier problem compared to accurate timing of an event.. The latter, I find very challenging and hard to quantify. Regards Bhuwan Luther Rath <rathluther >@gro ups.comMon, 26 October, 2009 7:07:26 AMRe: Quiz 16 Dear Sir, How could it be possible to guess when the birth time itself is not correct. Kindly rectify your birth time first. The quiz may be an unnecessary hurdle and waste of time. Dr. Rath Bhuwan Agrawal <bhuwan..agrawal@ >@gro ups.comSun, October 25, 2009 9:20:52 PMRe: Quiz 16 Four possibilities exist , either death of a parent, heart attack, loss of spouse or start of a new business. Therefore, the accuracy is 25%. Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>KP System Forum <@gro ups.com>Sun, 25 October, 2009 3:56:10 PM Quiz 16 Dear Friends,On 30/05/1999 I had to face something very significant in life, which I would like you astrologers to guess. Following is my birth dataDOB 21/08/1956TOB 23:35 (as told by parents)TOB 22:47:52 (as rectified by Vijayanand Patil ji) I was very much doubtful about the TOB being wrong by nearly 1 hourPlace - Pandharpur, Maharashtra (75 E 20, 17 N 40)Details of what exactly happened will be posted on coming Wednesday.Thanks & regards.Vishram Deshpande Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. Add whatever you love to the India homepage. Try now! Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Thanks for ur wonderful analysisSenthil <athi_ram Cc: vishram_deshpandeSent: Wed, 28 October, 2009 7:44:50 PMRe: Re: Quiz 16 Dear Vishram Deshpande, Please find below explanation for the answer given by me for Quiz-16 and clarification for your points. Ruling Planets: Ruling Planets at the time of judgment (27th October 2009, 20:28:54hrs at Seoul). Geocentric latitude= 37:23:51 N & Geographic longitude = 127:03:00E RP Sign Star Sub1 Sub2 ASC MER MAR MER MAR MOO SAT MAR RAH® MOO Day Lord: MAR In RP Chart NODES Sign Star Sub1 Sub2 RAH® SAT SUN RAH® MAR KET® MOO JUP MAR VEN RP ascendant sub lord will revel the nature of the query. Here MER is the ascendant sub lord. MER is the lord of 2,5 in 5. MER indicates some dual activity (as it is a Dual planet). MER is in MAR star VEN sub. MAR is sub of 12 owning 12th house occupied in 2.VEN is the karaka for vehicle sub of 7th house owning 6 occupied in 5th house. Here the 2,7 indicates Maraka (life threatening matter, 7th for the thief), 5,VEN (Luxury vehicle), 6 indicates about interview/service & 12 indicates hospitalization/ expenditure & foreign place. If we look at the MOON (karaka for mind) it will tell what is in your mind. Here MOO is the star lord of the cusp 5,9 owning 3rd house occupied in 9th house. MOO is in MAR star RAH® sub. MAR is sub of 12 owning 12th house occupied in 2. RAH® is sub of 3,5,9,11 occupied in 8. RAH® being a node represents SAT who is the lord of 9,10 in 4. Here the MOON signifies all the points mentioned by you. Kindly note that here the birth chart is not used in detail. From the Ascendant sub lord MER in 5th house. For which I have taken karaka as child birth (2,5-child birth, 7-wife involvement, 12 expenditure, 6(12th to 7th) wife hospitalized) & as the MER is the dual planet I have told that it may be twin birth. As the MAR is involved the chance for surgery is possible. From the RP MAR, MER, SAT is strong. On 30-05-1999 at 8:30PM(approx) the MOON is transiting in MAR-SAT which is taken as event time. As mentioned by you the event stated 7:00PM (You ate the chocolate) and so on…. 2PM at this time the MOON is in MAR sign JUP/SAT star. Dr.Rath and myself have compiled the Ruling planets used by individual astrologers to fix one RBT and we have proved that all the individual astrologer’s RP are giving same result only. But the individual astrologers interpreted it in different way hence they have given different RBT. So as mentioned by our Guru KSK RP will never fail. It always helps the astrologer and gives the correct clue but the individuals interpret it in different way hence the prediction goes wrong. As mentioned by KSK, the RP will link the house cusp related to the query (Hope our TW has given some extract from reader regarding the query about disease & 6th cusp relation). Hence my suggestion is either Birth chart RP & Judgment time RP shall have link or at least the Judgment time RP should link with matter in query (either fruitful or denial) to consider that the given birth time is correct. Otherwise ratification of birth time is required though the client is not doubting/rising about his/her birth time. This is my opinion. GOOD LUCK! Thanks & Regards D.Senthil--- On Wed, 10/28/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote: Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>Re: Re: Quiz 16@gro ups.comWednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:15 AM Dear Friends, In KP astrology roll of RPs is considered to be very important & predictions / BTR based on RPs is are always accepted by all KP lovers saying its a divine help from God. We see that these things always help astrologers whenever any doubt arises. But question comes to my mind, why BTR done by different astrologers didn't match in case of quiz 16 ? Is it really necessary to do BTR ? One guessing based on time given by my parents (non BTR processed) also worked & came close to the actual event. In a recent post I read that BTR should be done only if some one is doubtful about the birth time. But it is very clear that no one can confirm his birth time himself & he has no option other than believing on what was recorded by others. In such cases ( better to say, all cases) every one should be doubtful about the time & every TOB must be rectified. Some astrologers say that these days everywhere recording time is done correctly but we see that even if we use hi-tech watches we have difference of time every where, then what should have been the condition few years back when we used to have ordinary watches ? I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this matter so that no one makes any mistake at the very first step of analysing any birth chart. Thanks & regards. Vishram Deshpande Sundar <sundar190561@ .co. in>@gro ups.comMon, 26 October, 2009 10:25:43 AM Re: Quiz 16 Dear VishramMy analysis are as follows:Time rectified to 22.45. Ayanamsha is 23.09.41HOuse Occupant's star Occupant Owners' star owner1 sun ket - mars2 - - jup venus3 jup venus - mer4 mer sun ketu moon5 mars,venus jup,mer mer sun6 - - - mer7 moon,sat,rahu rahu,sat jup venus8 - - - mars9 - - mars,venus jup10 ketu moon sat,rahu sat11 - mars sat,rahu sat12 - - mars,venus jupPlanet Housessun 1,4,5moon 7,10,4mars 5,11,9,12,1, 8mer 4,5,3,6jup 3,5,2,7,9,12venus 5,3,9,12,2,7sat 7,10,11rahu 7,10,11ketu 10,1,4Rahu=mars(11, 1-8)ketu=venus(3, 2-7)(I) Dasha sat/sun/sunPlanet Star Subsat+(7,10-11) sat(7,10-11) sat(7,10-11)sun(4.5) Ketu(1,2,3,7) mars+(11,1-8)sun(4.5) Ketu(1,2,3,7) mars+(11,1-8)Sun is closely aspected by moon(10,4)Sun is closely aspected by sat(7,10-11)(II) On tranist date 30th May 1999Planet Star Subsat(12,10-11) venus(3,2-7) moon(8,4)sun(1,5) moon(8,4) jup(12,9-12)Moon(8,4) mer(2,3-6) mer(2,3-6)Moon is aspected by mercury(2,3- 6)(III) In the natal charta) Saturn is transiting in venus star and moon sub, venus signifies 5,3,9,12,2,7 and moon signifies 7,10,4b) Sun is transiting in Moon star and jup sub, moon signifies 7,10,4 and jup signifies 3,5,2,7,9,12 Possibilities are1. You would have had an heart attack and got hospitalisedSun is the significator for heart is in the star of moon in 8th and in the sub of jupiter in 12.In the natal chart cuspal s/l of 4th is venus is in the star & sub of jupiter in 5, l/o 9,12. THe significatore for heart, Sun is in 5, l/o 5 and in the star of ketu in 1 (representing venus in 3,2-7) and in the sub of mars in 11,1-8. 2. You would have met with vehiculer accident and got hospitalised.3. You would have resigned from the service and gone to foreign country for business purpose.Thanks...... ....Sundar@gro ups.com, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > On 30/05/1999 I had to face something very significant in life, which I would like you astrologers to guess. Following is my birth data> > DOB 21/08/1956> TOB 23:35 (as told by parents)> TOB 22:47:52 (as rectified by Vijayanand Patil ji) I was very much doubtful about the TOB being wrong by nearly 1 hour> Place - Pandharpur, Maharashtra (75 E 20, 17 N 40)> > Details of what exactly happened will be posted on coming Wednesday.> > Thanks & regards.> > Vishram Deshpande> > > > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! http://in.. com/trynew> Now, send attachments up to 25MB with India Mail. Learn how. Now, send attachments up to 25MB with India Mail. Learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Dear Sujata Das, Thanks for your appreciation. I request those who have given different predection please do the post study and post your findings (if any). GOOD LUCK! D.Senthil --- On Thu, 10/29/09, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote: sujata das <sujatadash1Re: Re: Quiz 16 Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 10:48 AM Thanks for ur wonderful analysis Senthil <athi_ram >@gro ups.comCc: vishram_deshpande@ .co. inWed, 28 October, 2009 7:44:50 PMRe: Re: Quiz 16 Dear Vishram Deshpande, Please find below explanation for the answer given by me for Quiz-16 and clarification for your points. Ruling Planets: Ruling Planets at the time of judgment (27th October 2009, 20:28:54hrs at Seoul). Geocentric latitude= 37:23:51 N & Geographic longitude = 127:03:00E RP Sign Star Sub1 Sub2 ASC MER MAR MER MAR MOO SAT MAR RAH® MOO Day Lord: MAR In RP Chart NODES Sign Star Sub1 Sub2 RAH® SAT SUN RAH® MAR KET® MOO JUP MAR VEN RP ascendant sub lord will revel the nature of the query. Here MER is the ascendant sub lord. MER is the lord of 2,5 in 5. MER indicates some dual activity (as it is a Dual planet). MER is in MAR star VEN sub. MAR is sub of 12 owning 12th house occupied in 2.VEN is the karaka for vehicle sub of 7th house owning 6 occupied in 5th house. Here the 2,7 indicates Maraka (life threatening matter, 7th for the thief), 5,VEN (Luxury vehicle), 6 indicates about interview/service & 12 indicates hospitalization/ expenditure & foreign place. If we look at the MOON (karaka for mind) it will tell what is in your mind. Here MOO is the star lord of the cusp 5,9 owning 3rd house occupied in 9th house. MOO is in MAR star RAH® sub. MAR is sub of 12 owning 12th house occupied in 2. RAH® is sub of 3,5,9,11 occupied in 8. RAH® being a node represents SAT who is the lord of 9,10 in 4. Here the MOON signifies all the points mentioned by you. Kindly note that here the birth chart is not used in detail. From the Ascendant sub lord MER in 5th house. For which I have taken karaka as child birth (2,5-child birth, 7-wife involvement, 12 expenditure, 6(12th to 7th) wife hospitalized) & as the MER is the dual planet I have told that it may be twin birth. As the MAR is involved the chance for surgery is possible. From the RP MAR, MER, SAT is strong. On 30-05-1999 at 8:30PM(approx) the MOON is transiting in MAR-SAT which is taken as event time. As mentioned by you the event stated 7:00PM (You ate the chocolate) and so on…. 2PM at this time the MOON is in MAR sign JUP/SAT star. Dr.Rath and myself have compiled the Ruling planets used by individual astrologers to fix one RBT and we have proved that all the individual astrologer’s RP are giving same result only. But the individual astrologers interpreted it in different way hence they have given different RBT. So as mentioned by our Guru KSK RP will never fail. It always helps the astrologer and gives the correct clue but the individuals interpret it in different way hence the prediction goes wrong. As mentioned by KSK, the RP will link the house cusp related to the query (Hope our TW has given some extract from reader regarding the query about disease & 6th cusp relation). Hence my suggestion is either Birth chart RP & Judgment time RP shall have link or at least the Judgment time RP should link with matter in query (either fruitful or denial) to consider that the given birth time is correct. Otherwise ratification of birth time is required though the client is not doubting/rising about his/her birth time. This is my opinion. GOOD LUCK! Thanks & Regards D.Senthil--- On Wed, 10/28/09, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in> wrote: Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ .co. in>Re: Re: Quiz 16@gro ups.comWednesday, October 28, 2009, 2:15 AM Dear Friends, In KP astrology roll of RPs is considered to be very important & predictions / BTR based on RPs is are always accepted by all KP lovers saying its a divine help from God. We see that these things always help astrologers whenever any doubt arises. But question comes to my mind, why BTR done by different astrologers didn't match in case of quiz 16 ? Is it really necessary to do BTR ? One guessing based on time given by my parents (non BTR processed) also worked & came close to the actual event. In a recent post I read that BTR should be done only if some one is doubtful about the birth time. But it is very clear that no one can confirm his birth time himself & he has no option other than believing on what was recorded by others. In such cases ( better to say, all cases) every one should be doubtful about the time & every TOB must be rectified. Some astrologers say that these days everywhere recording time is done correctly but we see that even if we use hi-tech watches we have difference of time every where, then what should have been the condition few years back when we used to have ordinary watches ? I request all experienced astrologers to throw some light on this matter so that no one makes any mistake at the very first step of analysing any birth chart. Thanks & regards. Vishram Deshpande Sundar <sundar190561@ .co. in>@gro ups.comMon, 26 October, 2009 10:25:43 AM Re: Quiz 16 Dear VishramMy analysis are as follows:Time rectified to 22.45. Ayanamsha is 23.09.41HOuse Occupant's star Occupant Owners' star owner1 sun ket - mars2 - - jup venus3 jup venus - mer4 mer sun ketu moon5 mars,venus jup,mer mer sun6 - - - mer7 moon,sat,rahu rahu,sat jup venus8 - - - mars9 - - mars,venus jup10 ketu moon sat,rahu sat11 - mars sat,rahu sat12 - - mars,venus jupPlanet Housessun 1,4,5moon 7,10,4mars 5,11,9,12,1, 8mer 4,5,3,6jup 3,5,2,7,9,12venus 5,3,9,12,2,7sat 7,10,11rahu 7,10,11ketu 10,1,4Rahu=mars(11, 1-8)ketu=venus(3, 2-7)(I) Dasha sat/sun/sunPlanet Star Subsat+(7,10-11) sat(7,10-11) sat(7,10-11)sun(4.5) Ketu(1,2,3,7) mars+(11,1-8)sun(4.5) Ketu(1,2,3,7) mars+(11,1-8)Sun is closely aspected by moon(10,4)Sun is closely aspected by sat(7,10-11)(II) On tranist date 30th May 1999Planet Star Subsat(12,10-11) venus(3,2-7) moon(8,4)sun(1,5) moon(8,4) jup(12,9-12)Moon(8,4) mer(2,3-6) mer(2,3-6)Moon is aspected by mercury(2,3- 6)(III) In the natal charta) Saturn is transiting in venus star and moon sub, venus signifies 5,3,9,12,2,7 and moon signifies 7,10,4b) Sun is transiting in Moon star and jup sub, moon signifies 7,10,4 and jup signifies 3,5,2,7,9,12 Possibilities are1. You would have had an heart attack and got hospitalisedSun is the significator for heart is in the star of moon in 8th and in the sub of jupiter in 12.In the natal chart cuspal s/l of 4th is venus is in the star & sub of jupiter in 5, l/o 9,12. THe significatore for heart, Sun is in 5, l/o 5 and in the star of ketu in 1 (representing venus in 3,2-7) and in the sub of mars in 11,1-8. 2. You would have met with vehiculer accident and got hospitalised.3. You would have resigned from the service and gone to foreign country for business purpose.Thanks...... ....Sundar@gro ups.com, Vishram Deshpande <vishram_deshpande@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > On 30/05/1999 I had to face something very significant in life, which I would like you astrologers to guess. Following is my birth data> > DOB 21/08/1956> TOB 23:35 (as told by parents)> TOB 22:47:52 (as rectified by Vijayanand Patil ji) I was very much doubtful about the TOB being wrong by nearly 1 hour> Place - Pandharpur, Maharashtra (75 E 20, 17 N 40)> > Details of what exactly happened will be posted on coming Wednesday.> > Thanks & regards.> > Vishram Deshpande> > > > From cricket scores to your friends. Try the India Homepage! http://in.. com/trynew> Now, send attachments up to 25MB with India Mail. Learn how. Now, send attachments up to 25MB with India Mail. Learn how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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