Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Dear Sunilji and Lalit, Sunilji : You have been gracious in admitting that there are limitations to our understanding of the esoteric side of Jyotish. The classics have clearly spelled out the types of Pravrajya which come under the domain of each Graha.There is absolutely no ambiguty in this area whatsoever Lalit : You have put your views with great force as always While appreciating your point of view,I would like you to ponder/discuss on the following: (i)You have said that the 8th house has been highly overrated by astrologers of today and it leads to fuss over insignificant things (ii)Could you please explain the level of spirituality attained by Paramahamsa Yogananda from his chart (excluding his 8th house which in your opinion is not significant) (iii)How do you account for the 8th being one of the 'Moksha' trikona houses ?? (iv)You have been very categorically stating that Shani Maharaj cannot give true Vairagya and have used Ramakrishna's chart to enunciate your point of view Do you really think that Guru in Mithuna Rasi is capable of giving the kind of spiritual level that Shri Ramakrishna had attained ?? If you look at Shri Ramakrishna's chart :Guru rules the 2nd and 11th houses (Artha and Kama Bhavas). How can Guru in this position give his level of spirituality ?? Please think about the above and let me know your views Regards, aavesh sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: hare rama krishna dear lalit , u said it i dont know ,yes it s 100% true Also i was not pro or anti to ur sani discussion ,i was pointing out what i know .Again it was abt Thakur s conversions to islam or xianity .Also i said each planets has some role in the way he takes sanyasa .And saaji has explained it . u realised god .what is moksha trikon ??i am asking parasari point of view ,also why they r called so .As i am parroting the astro principle than creating my own . U can reply to grp and i am no more interested in sanyasa or pravrajay as an astrologer i am after by ppl to know their lov life or material prosperity .No one asked me whter their son or daughter will become gandhi or budha or mahavir jain .so i cant change rules or society at least me as a normal human without any gr8 mission in life .Dont expect me to know all questions .I know the tricks of trade only .I never find a person leavs gr8 paying jobs to help humanity what ever he may say .I mean in my life . Tho astro has all principles which beyond the scope this sitt back home and asking in net grps .so let the hidden be hidden .let it be so for seekers so u can explain to grp where is ur jup ?? what sampradaya or guru or mantra or god its showing ? regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . also allow me to go my hibernation and all the best to u .U know i am busy . Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <mishra.lalit wrote:>> Sunil Ji,> > Namaskaar, I m sorry to say, Your study is partial, let's take it > this way : Aadi Shankara made - Giri, Puri, Teertha , Ashram, > Saraswati, Dandi .. etc, Todya i dont remember all as i studied about > them early, some 12 - 15 yrs back, Nath and Naga were started by > their influential Gurus, in addition to that, south india has got > some exclusive Nainaars,Alwars,Jangams, then there are > Shaiva,VirShaiva,Lingayat, Kaulas, Shaktas and then Vaishnavas, then > there are other tantrik cults.> > Now we have our input data with us, can u tell our members what > planet rules what and how the conclusion is reached upon.> > Why you all elders dont accept, you dont know each and ev erything, > even there is no base available to identify a sect with the help of > astrology, if some people have done efforts, we should recognise them > with respect, but pls. dont say that astrology has got reference of > these sampradayas since Parashara, Parashara was in Dwapar and for > Aadi Shankara it's hardly 1200 yrs.> > I admit tht BPHS says about Pravajya Yogas, but We were discussing > How through the astrology we can recognise one has attained at self > realization with God or Not.> > It's a myth that Saturn can take one to God, No Sir, it cant, saturn > can reduce one to ashes, the renunciation part, Do u think, a > renunciation takes one to God ? what to renunciate ? how to > renunicate, there is all pervading god, where u will go by > renunciation, to understand this, saturn's domain has to be crossed > ov er, saturn puts u to a foundry only but If Jupitor is not there one > fells in love with this foundry, his mind in that life will not get > the lite of widom, like a robot trained to remove cloths, but he will > remove cloths but how to wear the cloths.> > renunciation or indulgance is one and same thing, no difference from > spirituality point of view.> > It was jupitor in 5'th house of Thakur that brought him back to the > track and took to the height of sadhana, 5'th is the place of doing > sadhana, 9'th is the faith, dharma, morality, preceptor etc.., eighth > is the figment of imagination of today's astrologers, world have not > seen any real individual who has ever atained self realization with > the help of 8'th house alone, having interest in making an open thing > secretive has no significance at all, this is what 8'th house does, > the person will make great fuss about insignificant things. > > Let's stop giving undue importance to 8'th house for God's vision or > Bhakti. unless one lands on the moon, he cant know what happens > there, As i have seen the God, I know what are the states of the > mind, what are the prerequisites, therefore, I know what people are > missing.> > Let's redifine and restablish some of things which are misleading us.> > regards,> Lalit. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > dear lalit ,> > > > yes ,sankara codified it wh ich was pre existing also ,like veda > vyasa> > done vedas which was there b4 him but he edited it and compiled .> > > > > > > > and astro is long b4 sankara too ( tho he is frm kerala i dont > wanted to> > take all> > > > credit )> > > > > > > > sufism or saint hood has no place in traditional islam so > initiation is> > diffrnt in normal islam also u loose some skin too> > > > > > > > God realisation is in all religions and jup of cource will influence> > ,but not the way u think .> > > > > > > > hope this helps> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > & g t; > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol"> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > >> > > Sunil Ji,> > >> > > Something is believed without digging into and testing it, what's > the> > > base to declare that a sampradayaa is ruled by this or that > planet.> > >> > > Shankaracharya alone has floated dozens of sampradayaas, it seems> > > somebody in later age has given this idea of planet's ruling> > > sampradaays.> > >> > > Pravarjya can be there but i was discussing about reaching the > God,> > > If Jupitor is not involved, nobody can reach the God, I mean if u > try> > > to look it into horoscope.> > > & gt; > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > >> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > hare ramakrishna> > > >> > > > dear chandrasekhar ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thakur never converted to islam ,he was following some islamic> > > or> > > > sufis sampradayas and that time he was living like a muslim as > he> > > was in> > > > search of truth .Same applies to xianity .He never converted .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > same way he tested all known tantric rituals also> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Also saaji is rite abt saying diffrnt sampradayas in > pravrajya .And> > > > diffrnt planets controls it .And he explained it beautifully .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > Did he convert to Islam? If so, when did he reconvert to > Hinduism?> > > > Will> > > > > you find out. His learning what is Islam etc. does not mean> > > giving up> > > > > dharma.> > > > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Daer Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaskaar, I m sure and source of my information abt Sri> > > > Ramkrishna's> > > > > > taking up Islam for a small period is only Sri RamkKrishna> > > Leelamrit> > > > > > and SriRamkrishna Charitamrit, one is published by Sri> > > Ramkrishna> > > > > > Mission and the other one is written by Roma Rola (dont know> > > how to> > & g t; > > > correctly spell his name)> > > > > >> > > > > > I have studied 4 - 5 biographies of Paramhansha, it's given> > > > > > everywhere, it was Thakur, who told Vivekanada that Juesu's> > > nose was> > > > > > not straight, when Viekanada went to west, in one of the> > > library he> > > > > > got a pic drawn by hand like protrait, Jesus nose was like > that> > > > only.> > > > > >> > > > > > Maata Aannada Mai had not taken Sanyas or Vanaprasthashrama,> > > she had> > > > > > no Guru also in real sense, (m not sure), She did not > follow her> > > > > > grihasta dharam and even her husband for 8 years turned > like her> > > > > > sis hya, who was enough elder to her.> > > > > >> > > > > > Once maa happened to know she is a soul like God and then > never> > > > > > looked back to worldly affairs.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,> > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I think this is a sweeping statement. Are you certain> > > Ramakrishna> > > > > > > Paramahamsa converted to either Christianity or Islam? > What> > > is the> > > > > > > source of this information?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > By the way study of other Dharmas is not giving up one's > own> > > > dharma> > > > > > nor> > > > > > > is change of ashram a change of Dharma. If we assume it > to be> > > so> > > > > > then> > > > > > > all ancient kings who took Vanaprasthashrama will have to > be> > > > > > labeled as> > > > > > > having changed their Dharma. I think that would not be> > > correct.> > > > > > What is> > > > > > > your opinion?> & gt; > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh Sir and Mr. Gopu,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I w'd like to put one observation on Sani's placement on> > > 9'th,> > > > If> > > > > > > > Sani is there on 9'th, At least once in life, the person> > > changes> > > > > > > > his/her defined dharma, though Sani is exalted in > Bhagwan> > > Sri> > > > > > > > RamKrishna Paramhansha's horoscope, He switched to > Islam and> > > > & gt; > > > Christianity, Same is true with Maata Aanadmai, she also> > > changed> > > > > > her> > > > > > > > Grihastha dharma and went to Sanyaasa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I know one more Girl, whom i once liked, Vandana, has > also> > > got> > > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > in 9'th and she has strong inclination to appreciate > other> > > > > > religions> > > > > > > > than her own, she is much influenced by Islamic Sufi > system.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I dont know what happened in case of Mr. Gopu, he w'd > also> > > have> > > > > > > > better connection wit h or influence of some body who is> > > averse> > > > to> > > > > > Mr.> > > > > > > > Gopu's defined dharma by tradition or inheritance. > However,> > > This> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > not a matured finding coz whole of horoscope is not > known.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also It's established now that 10'th house + Sun combo> > > should be> > > > > > > > taken for judgement of the affairs related to one's > Father.> > > In> > > > > > some> > > > > > > > cases, 9'th can successfully indicate Father's > influence on> > > a> > > > > > native> ; > > > > > > > coz Father is also a natural Guru or Preceptor to a > child.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If required we can go for a comparision of 9'th + Sun > and> > > 10'th> > > > +> > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > combos.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > aavesh> & gt; > t> > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Gopu,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks for your input on this thread> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > A small confusion: How can Shani Maharaj in 9th be in > a> > > > > > > > Dusthana ??> > > > > > > > > (as you have mentioned in your mail)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > aavesh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > dear Mr.aavesh,> > > > > > > > > saturn in the 9th if it is in a dustana house in a> > > > > > > > > native it can also affect the coborn because of its> > > > > > > > > aspect on the 3rd house from the lagna.> > > > > > > > > I have saturn in the 9th from my vrichika lagna. 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Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Dear Sunil Ji, Namaskaar, Unless i m made capable enough to show the God to somebody who is interested, I will not utter a word, before writing that line, I had thought over what i m writing, that what seems impossible is just a matter of single mouse click for me, Maa has enabled me to proove the truth. I really dont understand I m coming up with solid knowledge, reasoning behind that and offer to proove that, you people are not ready to update wrong theories, is it not in ur favor, if a confusion is removed will the astrology not be benefitted ?? If u are interested to know urself and ur relation with God, yes, I can do it,I can do it, but first look deep into ur heart what's the desire there ?? It's people's foolishness that they dont want to look their spiritual part, coz, if they are spiritual, there materialistic wishes will always be ensured to get fullfilled, but as either they are not aware, or they are narrow minded, they get to either selfishness or corruption or cunningness. choice is theirs. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > hare rama krishna > > dear lalit , > > > > u said it i dont know ,yes it s 100% true > > > > Also i was not pro or anti to ur sani discussion ,i was pointing out > what i know .Again it was abt Thakur s conversions to islam or xianity > .Also i said each planets has some role in the way he takes sanyasa .And > saaji has explained it . > > > > u realised god .what is moksha trikon ??i am asking parasari point of > view ,also why they r called so .As i am parroting the astro principle > than creating my own . > > > > U can reply to grp and i am no more interested in sanyasa or pravrajay > as an astrologer i am after by ppl to know their lov life or material > prosperity .No one asked me whter their son or daughter will become > gandhi or budha or mahavir jain .so i cant change rules or society at > least me as a normal human without any gr8 mission in life .Dont expect > me to know all questions .I know the tricks of trade only .I never find > a person leavs gr8 paying jobs to help humanity what ever he may say .I > mean in my life . > > Tho astro has all principles which beyond the scope this sitt back home > and asking in net grps .so let the hidden be hidden .let it be so for > seekers > > > > so u can explain to grp > > where is ur jup ?? > > what sampradaya or guru or mantra or god its showing ? > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > also allow me to go my hibernation and all the best to u .U know i am > busy . Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Sunil Ji, > > > > Namaskaar, I m sorry to say, Your study is partial, let's take it > > this way : Aadi Shankara made - Giri, Puri, Teertha , Ashram, > > Saraswati, Dandi .. etc, Todya i dont remember all as i studied about > > them early, some 12 - 15 yrs back, Nath and Naga were started by > > their influential Gurus, in addition to that, south india has got > > some exclusive Nainaars,Alwars,Jangams, then there are > > Shaiva,VirShaiva,Lingayat, Kaulas, Shaktas and then Vaishnavas, then > > there are other tantrik cults. > > > > Now we have our input data with us, can u tell our members what > > planet rules what and how the conclusion is reached upon. > > > > Why you all elders dont accept, you dont know each and everything, > > even there is no base available to identify a sect with the help of > > astrology, if some people have done efforts, we should recognise them > > with respect, but pls. dont say that astrology has got reference of > > these sampradayas since Parashara, Parashara was in Dwapar and for > > Aadi Shankara it's hardly 1200 yrs. > > > > I admit tht BPHS says about Pravajya Yogas, but We were discussing > > How through the astrology we can recognise one has attained at self > > realization with God or Not. > > > > It's a myth that Saturn can take one to God, No Sir, it cant, saturn > > can reduce one to ashes, the renunciation part, Do u think, a > > renunciation takes one to God ? what to renunciate ? how to > > renunicate, there is all pervading god, where u will go by > > renunciation, to understand this, saturn's domain has to be crossed > > over, saturn puts u to a foundry only but If Jupitor is not there one > > fells in love with this foundry, his mind in that life will not get > > the lite of widom, like a robot trained to remove cloths, but he will > > remove cloths but how to wear the cloths. > > > > renunciation or indulgance is one and same thing, no difference from > > spirituality point of view. > > > > It was jupitor in 5'th house of Thakur that brought him back to the > > track and took to the height of sadhana, 5'th is the place of doing > > sadhana, 9'th is the faith, dharma, morality, preceptor etc.., eighth > > is the figment of imagination of today's astrologers, world have not > > seen any real individual who has ever atained self realization with > > the help of 8'th house alone, having interest in making an open thing > > secretive has no significance at all, this is what 8'th house does, > > the person will make great fuss about insignificant things. > > > > Let's stop giving undue importance to 8'th house for God's vision or > > Bhakti. unless one lands on the moon, he cant know what happens > > there, As i have seen the God, I know what are the states of the > > mind, what are the prerequisites, therefore, I know what people are > > missing. > > > > Let's redifine and restablish some of things which are misleading us. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sunil nair " > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > > dear lalit , > > > > > > yes ,sankara codified it which was pre existing also ,like veda > > vyasa > > > done vedas which was there b4 him but he edited it and compiled . > > > > > > > > > > > > and astro is long b4 sankara too ( tho he is frm kerala i dont > > wanted to > > > take all > > > > > > credit ) > > > > > > > > > > > > sufism or saint hood has no place in traditional islam so > > initiation is > > > diffrnt in normal islam also u loose some skin too > > > > > > > > > > > > God realisation is in all religions and jup of cource will influence > > > ,but not the way u think . > > > > > > > > > > > > hope this helps > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > Something is believed without digging into and testing it, what's > > the > > > > base to declare that a sampradayaa is ruled by this or that > > planet. > > > > > > > > Shankaracharya alone has floated dozens of sampradayaas, it seems > > > > somebody in later age has given this idea of planet's ruling > > > > sampradaays. > > > > > > > > Pravarjya can be there but i was discussing about reaching the > > God, > > > > If Jupitor is not involved, nobody can reach the God, I mean if u > > try > > > > to look it into horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sunil nair " > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna > > > > > > > > > > dear chandrasekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thakur never converted to islam ,he was following some islamic > > > > or > > > > > sufis sampradayas and that time he was living like a muslim as > > he > > > > was in > > > > > search of truth .Same applies to xianity .He never converted . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same way he tested all known tantric rituals also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also saaji is rite abt saying diffrnt sampradayas in > > pravrajya .And > > > > > diffrnt planets controls it .And he explained it beautifully . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did he convert to Islam? If so, when did he reconvert to > > Hinduism? > > > > > Will > > > > > > you find out. His learning what is Islam etc. does not mean > > > > giving up > > > > > > dharma. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daer Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaar, I m sure and source of my information abt Sri > > > > > Ramkrishna's > > > > > > > taking up Islam for a small period is only Sri RamkKrishna > > > > Leelamrit > > > > > > > and SriRamkrishna Charitamrit, one is published by Sri > > > > Ramkrishna > > > > > > > Mission and the other one is written by Roma Rola (dont know > > > > how to > > > > > > > correctly spell his name) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have studied 4 - 5 biographies of Paramhansha, it's given > > > > > > > everywhere, it was Thakur, who told Vivekanada that Juesu's > > > > nose was > > > > > > > not straight, when Viekanada went to west, in one of the > > > > library he > > > > > > > got a pic drawn by hand like protrait, Jesus nose was like > > that > > > > > only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maata Aannada Mai had not taken Sanyas or Vanaprasthashrama, > > > > she had > > > > > > > no Guru also in real sense, (m not sure), She did not > > follow her > > > > > > > grihasta dharam and even her husband for 8 years turned > > like her > > > > > > > sishya, who was enough elder to her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once maa happened to know she is a soul like God and then > > never > > > > > > > looked back to worldly affairs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is a sweeping statement. Are you certain > > > > Ramakrishna > > > > > > > > Paramahamsa converted to either Christianity or Islam? > > What > > > > is the > > > > > > > > source of this information? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way study of other Dharmas is not giving up one's > > own > > > > > dharma > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > > is change of ashram a change of Dharma. If we assume it > > to be > > > > so > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > all ancient kings who took Vanaprasthashrama will have to > > be > > > > > > > labeled as > > > > > > > > having changed their Dharma. I think that would not be > > > > correct. > > > > > > > What is > > > > > > > > your opinion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aavesh Sir and Mr. Gopu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd like to put one observation on Sani's placement on > > > > 9'th, > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > Sani is there on 9'th, At least once in life, the person > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > his/her defined dharma, though Sani is exalted in > > Bhagwan > > > > Sri > > > > > > > > > RamKrishna Paramhansha's horoscope, He switched to > > Islam and > > > > > > > > > Christianity, Same is true with Maata Aanadmai, she also > > > > changed > > > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > Grihastha dharma and went to Sanyaasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know one more Girl, whom i once liked, Vandana, has > > also > > > > got > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > in 9'th and she has strong inclination to appreciate > > other > > > > > > > religions > > > > > > > > > than her own, she is much influenced by Islamic Sufi > > system. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont know what happened in case of Mr. Gopu, he w'd > > also > > > > have > > > > > > > > > better connection with or influence of some body who is > > > > averse > > > > > to > > > > > > > Mr. > > > > > > > > > Gopu's defined dharma by tradition or inheritance. > > However, > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > not a matured finding coz whole of horoscope is not > > known. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also It's established now that 10'th house + Sun combo > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > taken for judgement of the affairs related to one's > > Father. > > > > In > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > cases, 9'th can successfully indicate Father's > > influence on > > > > a > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > coz Father is also a natural Guru or Preceptor to a > > child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If required we can go for a comparision of 9'th + Sun > > and > > > > 10'th > > > > > + > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > combos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, > > aavesh > > > > t > > > > > > > > > <aavesh_s@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Gopu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your input on this thread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A small confusion: How can Shani Maharaj in 9th be in > > a > > > > > > > > > Dusthana ?? > > > > > > > > > > (as you have mentioned in your mail) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aavesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > K Gopu <kgopu_24@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear Mr.aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > saturn in the 9th if it is in a dustana house in a > > > > > > > > > > native it can also affect the coborn because of its > > > > > > > > > > aspect on the 3rd house from the lagna. > > > > > > > > > > I have saturn in the 9th from my vrichika lagna. 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Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Dear Mr Gopu, Last night when i was thinking about ur case, ur appreciation to Christianity rang in my mind. See, like in case of doctors, not all the doctors are having equal expertise, I will tell u, when divine mother gave me her darshan, I was not satisfied with the darshan coz it was just like a matter of general knowledge, like a school going kid knows who is the prime minister and sometimes gets a chance to see him. what's special in that ? I did further sadhana to check if something more to know, and then once i came to know, 'No' mother cares us, she loves us unconditionally, u may or may not feel it, u do rituals or dont do, doing rituals is ur part, God doesnt need it, if somebody has not said this to ur friend it was ur friend's bad luck, pls. convey what i m saying to him. Same god same divine mother is worshipped in all the religions as per the understanding/faith of the followers, yes, mother has shown it to me, how all religions worships her, but pls. dont get confused, I call God - Divine Mother. I had uncontrollable sexual inensity within me, when once in my B.Sc Second Year, i visited one Gayatri Mandir, I forgot the idol is God's idol and i wanted to hug that idol imposing a young girl's imagination over the idol. Like a flash this sort of thought occured to me, this was me. I had ne belief like other people who used to visit the temples, but God wanted to prrove his existance sothat i can believe him, can feel his love and happens everyday, It has become everyday's blessings. So, i was upset over my uncontrollable sexual intensity, which could trigger any time, when some 3 - 4 yrs back i went to hanuman temple, mother Seeta came to my vision, she suggested to chant " SitaRaam SitaRaam ... " I did it for few months, I came to know how a mantra works and i dont know how i get rid of the oversexuality. See, i m no way special, just like guy next door, so, if something can happen to me, can happen to u or to anybody, everybody has to do it on own. I think, I have conveyed to u what i wanted to convey. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > > dear Mr. lalith, > I do get to know abt other religions either thro > interaction with people in those religion or thro the > net. Probably this may be prevalent in most of the > individuals who do have faith in religion irrespective > of the placement of saturn in 9th. I jus belong to > this category with no inclination to change my > religious faith from my religion to Buddhism or > jainism or christianity. during my 30's a dentist who > has converted to christian explained to me as to why > he converted to christian. one reason he attributed > was that as a hindu he has cheated which GOd has not > corrected him. But in christianity he can go and > confess to god and that god absolves him of his sin > and this gives him a sense of confidence not to commit > such sins. whereas in our religion everything is > attributed to karma, ie if a man suffers it is his > karma. so complicated are our religious strictures. at > that point of time i was convinced with his reason for > his conversion. > I strongly feel that jus placement of saturn in 9th > alone will not be the reason to change any individual > to change their religion. U will have to see the 2nd > house which is the house of family, placement of > kethu, in particular when it is associated with moon. > Because moon controls the mind. > > good luck > k.gopu > > > > > ___________________ _______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php? category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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