4,8,12 (to Sri Chandrashekhar)

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Chandrasekhar Sa'ab namaste

The attempt Lalit is making may sound like rechristening the threesome, but actually he is trying to make sense, for example, of the role a house like 4th plays in attainging moksha. We have to tell him how 4th plays that role, and how 12th, and finally 8th. Just saying 8th siginfies the secret, the hidden, the guhya may not be enough. Gupt anga (secret organ) is read from 8th too. Now, 12th for bed, 8th for secret organ, and 4th for delight (okay, happiness) -- that can prompt someone to say they are bhoga trikona? I have tried to say in my previous post that bhoga can be both ways, not that which is happy, alone.

In other words, we have to tell this 'generation' and to an extent ourselves quite how 4, 8, 12 steer the glorious exit, which moksha in our tradition is conceptualised as -- in the four-fold essence of human birth (in an ideal condition, I think).

Maybe, we will have to compare the kama trikona with this trikona with a few example horoscopes where both the trikonas have been straddled, so as to ensure a cogent illustration.

I think you could steer such a thread.

RK

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Dear R K da,

 

I think the confusion is caused by looking at the bhavas in a

unidirectional fashion. 8th house is also death and rebirth, 4th is

state of happiness and the place of one's origin (as the motherland)

and 12th is leaving this world, besides other terms associated with the

bhavas.

 

it is unfortunate that these days only sexual activities are thought to

give one happiness and that perhaps is why the current generation

connects the 4, 8, 12 bhavas with Bhoga. I think people tend to forget

that state of happiness can exists in all stages of life but that is

not the case with sexual activities and therefore they can not be

equated to happiness that is indicated by the 4th bhava. If we

understand that the 4th is representative of Mother, House and vehicle

(amongst many other attributes) and the happiness related to the 4th

means the happiness one gets from the feeling of protection that one

gets in the lap of the mother or own house or in one's own vehicle and

then understand that one can experience the same happiness when one

becomes one with the Parabrahman from whose lap we get detached when we

are born, then it might be easier to understand why 4th, 8th and 12th

constitute the Moksha trikona. We should also understand that as we

proceed from the 8th to the 7th bhava we leave the visible portion of

the zodiac and enter the invisible half and as we leave the unrisen

Lagna and proceed towards the 12th bhava we proceed from the invisible

zodiac to the visible half. This is synonymous to our stages from the

birth to death and death to birth and the connection with Moksha should

be quite easy to see.

 

I hope I have not made this into a very lengthy comment on why the 4, 8

and 12 are the 3 points of the Moksha trikona and the readers are able

to follow the logic easily.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

arkaydash wrote:

 

 

Chandrasekhar Sa'ab namaste

The attempt Lalit is making may sound like rechristening the

threesome, but actually he is trying to make sense, for example, of

the role a house like 4th plays in attainging moksha. We have to tell

him how 4th plays that role, and how 12th, and finally 8th. Just saying

8th siginfies the secret, the hidden, the guhya may not be enough. Gupt

anga (secret organ) is read from 8th too. Now, 12th for bed, 8th

for secret organ, and 4th for delight (okay, happiness) -- that can

prompt someone to say they are bhoga trikona? I have tried to say in my

previous post that bhoga can be both ways, not that which is happy,

alone.

In other words, we have to tell this 'generation' and to an extent

ourselves quite how 4, 8, 12 steer the glorious exit, which moksha in

our tradition is conceptualised as -- in the four-fold essence of human

birth (in an ideal condition, I think).

Maybe, we will have to compare the kama trikona with this trikona

with a few example horoscopes where both the trikonas have been

straddled, so as to ensure a cogent illustration.

I think you could steer such a thread.

RK