4,8,12: Search the relevant 'hetus'

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Namaskar RKDa,

Interesting thoughts on the Moksha Trikona

Osho Rajneesh is an ideal candidate for the 8th Bhava significations ( vis-a-vis type of spirituality).It would be interesting to discuss his chart in light of the above

In case the group is interested we can carry this forward

Regards,

aavesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "arkaydash" <arkaydash wrote:>> > Dear Lalit,> > I am glad seeing the confidence with which you have taken up the relook> at 4, 8, 12. Yes, from 4th poorvapunya is to be read, if we read between> the slokas I showed you in J.N.> > While we have accepted that kama trikona is 3,7, 11, there is no reason> for not taking a fresh look at a bhava like 4th, where are housed the> sukha. Can there be bhoga without sukha? There can be bhoga together> with du(h)kha. S0 read du(h)kh bhoga from 8th. Saturn rules over 8th not> just because 8th contains longevity -- that which lengthens. What> lengthens? Du(h)kha, not sukha. Thus, saturn rules that is lengthens. In> other words, du(h)kha . That's part of the scheme of things on this> mortal plane (martya). Those who experience [undergo/taste/ (bhog/bhuk)]> sukha for long periods are rare, exceptions. Sukha is short-lived, dukha> long-lived, generally speaking. Next, many of the siginfications of 12th> will be found to be of the dukha category, see esp. U.K. Now if you> think shajya-sukha only and consider 12th as house of sukha, that is a> partial story of the house, in fact houses, all houses.> > The schema of trikona -- dharma (1,5,9) artha(2,6,10) etc -- is to be> understood differently. Maybe I would like anyone doing such shake-down> of existing schema if they can do the proving through testing (of actual> horoscopes).> > Take 12th again. It's the hse of separation. 12th of any bhava holds the> dynamic of separation for that bhava. This is, when we allow karma to> strike us from behind as it catches up with us. But the same separation> (dynamic) can be made into a tool, whereby karma can't strike you; you> pre-empt karma. How? Y0u steer clear of trappings, you walk away, or at> least you remain nirlipta. Which is how we get tyaga and bairagya. 11th,> by contrast, is avarice, cupidity, the path to eventual perdition.> Strong 12th beter than strong 11th. (Remember Sarvatakavarga rule? It> says the oppsite. 11th should have more pointage than 12th. That's valid> from the perspective of worldlings) Yes, 12th is bhoga. Bhoga of lasting> joy. The perspective has been changed, values radically reworked.> > You can do your own reflection on 8th, basing on the hints, and can come> to see why mystics have an intensified 8th hse. And they savour the joy> the worldlings can scarce imagine.> > ....Purusha sukhadu(h)khanam bhokrtrutwe®heturuchyate (Gita)> > RK>

[Guest guest]

Dear RK Daa,

 

As i was out on vacation, I could not read ur's as well as Sri

Chandrashekhar Ji's mail.

 

My opinion is, even a beautiful theory if doesn't hold true in

reality, has no meaning at all, it needs to be reviewd.

 

The Mokschha Trikona theory is a completely false theory, a concocted

one.

 

None of the great saints, those who attained at self realization, got

God's vision had a superb 4/8/12 trikona. Not a single one has a good

concentrated 8'th house. However, all fakes Mystics, spiritually

failures like Osho and many other toddlers have got good 8'th house.

 

We should accept a theory in the light of the reality.

 

If u or anybody has a single case study to proove 4/8/12 as Mokschha

Trikona, will be highly appreciated for the good of astrology.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I am glad seeing the confidence with which you have taken up the

relook

> at 4, 8, 12. Yes, from 4th poorvapunya is to be read, if we read

between

> the slokas I showed you in J.N.

>

> While we have accepted that kama trikona is 3,7, 11, there is no

reason

> for not taking a fresh look at a bhava like 4th, where are housed

the

> sukha. Can there be bhoga without sukha? There can be bhoga together

> with du(h)kha. S0 read du(h)kh bhoga from 8th. Saturn rules over

8th not

> just because 8th contains longevity -- that which lengthens. What

> lengthens? Du(h)kha, not sukha. Thus, saturn rules that is

lengthens. In

> other words, du(h)kha . That's part of the scheme of things on this

> mortal plane (martya). Those who experience [undergo/taste/

(bhog/bhuk)]

> sukha for long periods are rare, exceptions. Sukha is short-lived,

dukha

> long-lived, generally speaking. Next, many of the siginfications of

12th

> will be found to be of the dukha category, see esp. U.K. Now if you

> think shajya-sukha only and consider 12th as house of sukha, that

is a

> partial story of the house, in fact houses, all houses.

>

> The schema of trikona -- dharma (1,5,9) artha(2,6,10) etc -- is to

be

> understood differently. Maybe I would like anyone doing such shake-

down

> of existing schema if they can do the proving through testing (of

actual

> horoscopes).

>

> Take 12th again. It's the hse of separation. 12th of any bhava

holds the

> dynamic of separation for that bhava. This is, when we allow karma

to

> strike us from behind as it catches up with us. But the same

separation

> (dynamic) can be made into a tool, whereby karma can't strike you;

you

> pre-empt karma. How? Y0u steer clear of trappings, you walk away,

or at

> least you remain nirlipta. Which is how we get tyaga and bairagya.

11th,

> by contrast, is avarice, cupidity, the path to eventual perdition.

> Strong 12th beter than strong 11th. (Remember Sarvatakavarga rule?

It

> says the oppsite. 11th should have more pointage than 12th. That's

valid

> from the perspective of worldlings) Yes, 12th is bhoga. Bhoga of

lasting

> joy. The perspective has been changed, values radically reworked.

>

> You can do your own reflection on 8th, basing on the hints, and can

come

> to see why mystics have an intensified 8th hse. And they savour the

joy

> the worldlings can scarce imagine.

>

> ....Purusha sukhadu(h)khanam bhokrtrutwe®heturuchyate (Gita)

>

> RK

>

[Guest guest]

Dear RK Daa,

 

Namaskaar, Thanx a lot for considering the review of trikona theories in

the wake of the reality, particularly the mokscha trikona (4/8/12).

 

As u say, the Dukha is embedded with Bhoga, and should be seen that also

in this trikona, I want to add, Dukha - Bhoga / Sukha - Bhoga both are

not Mokschha.

 

If one is white thorn the other is black thorn that we poke within

ourselves.

 

Dukha bhoga and even Tyaga is misinterpretted as Spirituality/ Mokschha,

No RK Daa, it's not, Thakur Sri Ramkrishna Paramhansha has said it many

times.

 

regards,

Lalit..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash "

<arkaydash wrote:

>

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I am glad seeing the confidence with which you have taken up the

relook

> at 4, 8, 12. Yes, from 4th poorvapunya is to be read, if we read

between

> the slokas I showed you in J.N.

>

> While we have accepted that kama trikona is 3,7, 11, there is no

reason

> for not taking a fresh look at a bhava like 4th, where are housed the

> sukha. Can there be bhoga without sukha? There can be bhoga together

> with du(h)kha. S0 read du(h)kh bhoga from 8th. Saturn rules over 8th

not

> just because 8th contains longevity -- that which lengthens. What

> lengthens? Du(h)kha, not sukha. Thus, saturn rules that is lengthens.

In

> other words, du(h)kha . That's part of the scheme of things on this

> mortal plane (martya). Those who experience [undergo/taste/

(bhog/bhuk)]

> sukha for long periods are rare, exceptions. Sukha is short-lived,

dukha

> long-lived, generally speaking. Next, many of the siginfications of

12th

> will be found to be of the dukha category, see esp. U.K. Now if you

> think shajya-sukha only and consider 12th as house of sukha, that is a

> partial story of the house, in fact houses, all houses.

>

> The schema of trikona -- dharma (1,5,9) artha(2,6,10) etc -- is to be

> understood differently. Maybe I would like anyone doing such

shake-down

> of existing schema if they can do the proving through testing (of

actual

> horoscopes).

>

> Take 12th again. It's the hse of separation. 12th of any bhava holds

the

> dynamic of separation for that bhava. This is, when we allow karma to

> strike us from behind as it catches up with us. But the same

separation

> (dynamic) can be made into a tool, whereby karma can't strike you; you

> pre-empt karma. How? Y0u steer clear of trappings, you walk away, or

at

> least you remain nirlipta. Which is how we get tyaga and bairagya.

11th,

> by contrast, is avarice, cupidity, the path to eventual perdition.

> Strong 12th beter than strong 11th. (Remember Sarvatakavarga rule? It

> says the oppsite. 11th should have more pointage than 12th. That's

valid

> from the perspective of worldlings) Yes, 12th is bhoga. Bhoga of

lasting

> joy. The perspective has been changed, values radically reworked.

>

> You can do your own reflection on 8th, basing on the hints, and can

come

> to see why mystics have an intensified 8th hse. And they savour the

joy

> the worldlings can scarce imagine.

>

> ....Purusha sukhadu(h)khanam bhokrtrutwe®heturuchyate (Gita)

>

> RK

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

For testing your theory you have to give charts of those who, in your

view, attained self realization as you have said that most of those

whom majority think are self realized are not so.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear RK Daa,

 

As i was out on vacation, I could not read ur's as well as Sri

Chandrashekhar Ji's mail.

 

My opinion is, even a beautiful theory if doesn't hold true in

reality, has no meaning at all, it needs to be reviewd.

 

The Mokschha Trikona theory is a completely false theory, a concocted

one.

 

None of the great saints, those who attained at self realization, got

God's vision had a superb 4/8/12 trikona. Not a single one has a good

concentrated 8'th house. However, all fakes Mystics, spiritually

failures like Osho and many other toddlers have got good 8'th house.

 

We should accept a theory in the light of the reality.

 

If u or anybody has a single case study to proove 4/8/12 as Mokschha

Trikona, will be highly appreciated for the good of astrology.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"arkaydash"

<arkaydash wrote:

>

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I am glad seeing the confidence with which you have taken up the

relook

> at 4, 8, 12. Yes, from 4th poorvapunya is to be read, if we read

between

> the slokas I showed you in J.N.

>

> While we have accepted that kama trikona is 3,7, 11, there is no

reason

> for not taking a fresh look at a bhava like 4th, where are housed

the

> sukha. Can there be bhoga without sukha? There can be bhoga

together

> with du(h)kha. S0 read du(h)kh bhoga from 8th. Saturn rules over

8th not

> just because 8th contains longevity -- that which lengthens. What

> lengthens? Du(h)kha, not sukha. Thus, saturn rules that is

lengthens. In

> other words, du(h)kha . That's part of the scheme of things on this

> mortal plane (martya). Those who experience [undergo/taste/

(bhog/bhuk)]

> sukha for long periods are rare, exceptions. Sukha is short-lived,

 

dukha

> long-lived, generally speaking. Next, many of the siginfications

of

12th

> will be found to be of the dukha category, see esp. U.K. Now if you

> think shajya-sukha only and consider 12th as house of sukha, that

is a

> partial story of the house, in fact houses, all houses.

>

> The schema of trikona -- dharma (1,5,9) artha(2,6,10) etc -- is to

 

be

> understood differently. Maybe I would like anyone doing such shake-

down

> of existing schema if they can do the proving through testing (of

actual

> horoscopes).

>

> Take 12th again. It's the hse of separation. 12th of any bhava

holds the

> dynamic of separation for that bhava. This is, when we allow karma

 

to

> strike us from behind as it catches up with us. But the same

separation

> (dynamic) can be made into a tool, whereby karma can't strike you;

 

you

> pre-empt karma. How? Y0u steer clear of trappings, you walk away,

or at

> least you remain nirlipta. Which is how we get tyaga and bairagya.

 

11th,

> by contrast, is avarice, cupidity, the path to eventual perdition.

> Strong 12th beter than strong 11th. (Remember Sarvatakavarga rule?

 

It

> says the oppsite. 11th should have more pointage than 12th. That's

 

valid

> from the perspective of worldlings) Yes, 12th is bhoga. Bhoga of

lasting

> joy. The perspective has been changed, values radically reworked.

>

> You can do your own reflection on 8th, basing on the hints, and

can

come

> to see why mystics have an intensified 8th hse. And they savour

the

joy

> the worldlings can scarce imagine.

>

> ....Purusha sukhadu(h)khanam bhokrtrutwe®heturuchyate (Gita)

>

> RK

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit, I too would request you to provide the charts I am sure it will be a learning experience for all of us Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Lalit,For testing your theory you have to give

charts of those who, in your view, attained self realization as you have said that most of those whom majority think are self realized are not so. Chandrashekhar.litsol wrote: Dear RK Daa,As i was out on vacation, I could not read ur's as well as Sri Chandrashekhar Ji's mail.My opinion is, even a beautiful theory if doesn't hold true in reality, has no meaning at all, it needs to be reviewd.The Mokschha Trikona theory is a completely false theory, a concocted one.None of the great saints, those who attained at self realization, got God's vision had a superb 4/8/12 trikona. Not a single one has a good concentrated 8'th house. However, all fakes Mystics, spiritually failures like Osho and many other toddlers have got good 8'th house.We should accept a theory in the light of the reality.If u or

anybody has a single case study to proove 4/8/12 as Mokschha Trikona, will be highly appreciated for the good of astrology.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "arkaydash" <arkaydash wrote:>> > Dear Lalit,> > I am glad seeing the confidence with which you have taken up the relook> at 4, 8, 12. Yes, from 4th poorvapunya is to be read, if we read between> the slokas I showed you in J.N.> > While we have accepted that kama trikona is 3,7, 11, there is no reason> for not taking a fresh look at a bhava like 4th, where are housed the> sukha. Can there be bhoga without sukha? There can be bhoga together> with du(h)kha. S0 read du(h)kh bhoga from 8th. Saturn rules over 8th not> just because 8th contains longevity --

that which lengthens. What> lengthens? Du(h)kha, not sukha. Thus, saturn rul es that is lengthens. In> other words, du(h)kha . That's part of the scheme of things on this> mortal plane (martya). Those who experience [undergo/taste/ (bhog/bhuk)]> sukha for long periods are rare, exceptions. Sukha is short-lived, dukha> long-lived, generally speaking. Next, many of the siginfications of 12th> will be found to be of the dukha category, see esp. U.K. Now if you> think shajya-sukha only and consider 12th as house of sukha, that is a> partial story of the house, in fact houses, all houses.> > The schema of trikona -- dharma (1,5,9) artha(2,6,10) etc -- is to be> understood differently. Maybe I would like anyone doing such shake-down> of existing schema if they can do the proving through testing (of actual> horoscopes).> > Take 12th again. It's

the hse of s eparation. 12th of any bhava holds the> dynamic of separation for that bhava. This is, when we allow karma to> strike us from behind as it catches up with us. But the same separation> (dynamic) can be made into a tool, whereby karma can't strike you; you> pre-empt karma. How? Y0u steer clear of trappings, you walk away, or at> least you remain nirlipta. Which is how we get tyaga and bairagya. 11th,> by contrast, is avarice, cupidity, the path to eventual perdition.> Strong 12th beter than strong 11th. (Remember Sarvatakavarga rule? It> says the oppsite. 11th should have more pointage than 12th. That's valid> from the perspective of worldlings) Yes, 12th is bhoga. Bhoga of lasting> joy. The perspective has been changed, values radically reworked.> > You can do your own reflection on 8th, basing on the hints, and can come> to see why

mystics have an intensified 8th hse. And they savour the joy> the worldlings can scarce imagine.> > ....Purusha sukhadu(h)khanam bhokrtrutwe®heturuchyate (Gita)> > RK> You are managing the Vedic Astrologyandhealing group through Grouply.You to individual emails for this group. | Update your Subscription settings6 messages in this conversation, including this one | Add a commentView this message on Grouply so you can rate, tag, bookmark, and see what others think about it. Finance It's Now Personal Guides,

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Dear Sir,

 

Thanx, Let's discuss horoscope of Adi Shankaracharya, Chaitanya Prabhu

(He may have some 8/12 house elements : not sure) and Amitabh

Bachchan's horoscope at first.

 

I will collect more in the meanwhile.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t

<aavesh_s wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I too would request you to provide the charts

>

> I am sure it will be a learning experience for all of us

>

> Regards,

>

> aavesh

>

>

>

>

> Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

> Dear Lalit,

>

> For testing your theory you have to give charts of those who, in

your view, attained self realization as you have said that most of

those whom majority think are self realized are not so.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> litsol wrote: Dear RK Daa,

>

> As i was out on vacation, I could not read ur's as well as Sri

> Chandrashekhar Ji's mail.

>

> My opinion is, even a beautiful theory if doesn't hold true in

> reality, has no meaning at all, it needs to be reviewd.

>

> The Mokschha Trikona theory is a completely false theory, a

concocted

> one.

>

> None of the great saints, those who attained at self realization,

got

> God's vision had a superb 4/8/12 trikona. Not a single one has a

good

> concentrated 8'th house. However, all fakes Mystics, spiritually

> failures like Osho and many other toddlers have got good 8'th house.

>

> We should accept a theory in the light of the reality.

>

> If u or anybody has a single case study to proove 4/8/12 as

Mokschha

> Trikona, will be highly appreciated for the good of astrology.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash "

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > I am glad seeing the confidence with which you have taken up the

> relook

> > at 4, 8, 12. Yes, from 4th poorvapunya is to be read, if we read

> between

> > the slokas I showed you in J.N.

> >

> > While we have accepted that kama trikona is 3,7, 11, there is no

> reason

> > for not taking a fresh look at a bhava like 4th, where are housed

> the

> > sukha. Can there be bhoga without sukha? There can be bhoga

together

> > with du(h)kha. S0 read du(h)kh bhoga from 8th. Saturn rules over

> 8th not

> > just because 8th contains longevity -- that which lengthens. What

> > lengthens? Du(h)kha, not sukha. Thus, saturn rul es that is

> lengthens. In

> > other words, du(h)kha . That's part of the scheme of things on

this

> > mortal plane (martya). Those who experience [undergo/taste/

> (bhog/bhuk)]

> > sukha for long periods are rare, exceptions. Sukha is short-

lived,

> dukha

> > long-lived, generally speaking. Next, many of the siginfications

of

> 12th

> > will be found to be of the dukha category, see esp. U.K. Now if

you

> > think shajya-sukha only and consider 12th as house of sukha, that

> is a

> > partial story of the house, in fact houses, all houses.

> >

> > The schema of trikona -- dharma (1,5,9) artha(2,6,10) etc -- is

to

> be

> > understood differently. Maybe I would like anyone doing such

shake-

> down

> > of existing schema if they can do the proving through testing (of

> actual

> > horoscopes).

> >

> > Take 12th again. It's the hse of s eparation. 12th of any bhava

> holds the

> > dynamic of separation for that bhava. This is, when we allow

karma

> to

> > strike us from behind as it catches up with us. But the same

> separation

> > (dynamic) can be made into a tool, whereby karma can't strike

you;

> you

> > pre-empt karma. How? Y0u steer clear of trappings, you walk away,

> or at

> > least you remain nirlipta. Which is how we get tyaga and

bairagya.

> 11th,

> > by contrast, is avarice, cupidity, the path to eventual perdition.

> > Strong 12th beter than strong 11th. (Remember Sarvatakavarga

rule?

> It

> > says the oppsite. 11th should have more pointage than 12th.

That's

> valid

> > from the perspective of worldlings) Yes, 12th is bhoga. Bhoga of

> lasting

> > joy. The perspective has been changed, values radically reworked.

> >

> > You can do your own reflection on 8th, basing on the hints, and

can

> come

> > to see why mystics have an intensified 8th hse. And they savour

the

> joy

> > the worldlings can scarce imagine.

> >

> > ....Purusha sukhadu(h)khanam bhokrtrutwe®heturuchyate (Gita)

> >

> > RK

> >

>

>

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