4,8,12-Moksha Trokona (Chandrashekarji and RKDa)

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Namaskar Chandrashekarji and RKDa, Chandrashekarji : You have given a brilliant expalanation of why these three Bhavas constitute the Moksha Trikona In today's world,these Bhavas (particularly the 8th and 12th) are being used to look at sexual relationships exclusively.This approach is very shortsighted in my opinion This is the problem with learning Jyotish through books.A good Jyotish Guru will guide his Shishyas about the undercurrents of each Bhava which a book (however brilliant) can't !! The 8th house when

seen in the esoteric sense deals with spirituality (particularly when associated with Sattwic Grahas like Guru and Ketu in strength) The 12th Bhava apart from dealing with 'Sayana Sukha' deals with Meditation,Samadhi and Moksha The inner meanings of these Bhavas will only come to light when one contemplates on the Bhavas in light of the classics of Jyotish Sadly given the present culture of Fast Food and Twenty-20 cricket,this is too much to expect !! RKDa:Pls continue your line of thoughts on this topic. I will provide a few horoscopes to further this discussion Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear R K da,I think the confusion is caused by looking at the bhavas in a unidirectional fashion. 8th house is also death and rebirth, 4th is state of happiness and the place of one's origin (as the motherland) and 12th is leaving this world, besides other terms

associated with the bhavas. it is unfortunate that these days only sexual activities are thought to give one happiness and that perhaps is why the current generation connects the 4, 8, 12 bhavas with Bhoga. I think people tend to forget that state of happiness can exists in all stages of life but that is not the case with sexual activities and therefore they can not be equated to happiness that is indicated by the 4th bhava. If we understand that the 4th is representative of Mother, House and vehicle (amongst many other attributes) and the happiness related to the 4th means the happiness one gets from the feeling of protection that one gets in the lap of the mother or own house or in one's own vehicle and then understand that one can experience the same happiness when one becomes one with the Parabrahman from whose lap we get detached when we are born, then it might be easier to understand why 4th, 8th and 12th constitute the Moksha trikona. We should also

understand that as we proceed from the 8th to the 7th bhava we leave the visible portion of the zodiac and enter the invisible half and as we leave the unrisen Lagna and proceed towards the 12th bhava we proceed from the invisible zodiac to the visible half. This is synonymous to our stages from the birth to death and death to birth and the connection with Moksha should be quite easy to see. I hope I have not made this into a very lengthy comment on why the 4, 8 and 12 are the 3 points of the Moksha trikona and the readers are able to follow the logic easily.Regards,Chandrashekhar.arkaydash wrote: Chandrasekhar Sa'ab namaste The attempt Lalit is making may sound like rechristening the threesome, but actually he is trying to make sense, for example, of the role a house like 4th plays in attainging moksha. We have to tell him how 4th

plays that role, and how 12th, and finally 8th. Just saying 8th siginfies the secret, the hidden, the guhya may not be enough. Gupt anga (secret organ) is read from 8th too. Now, 12th for bed, 8th for secret organ, and 4th for delight (okay, happiness) -- that can prompt someone to say they are bhoga trikona? I have tried to say in my previous post that bhoga can be both ways, not that which is happy, alone. In other words, we have to tell this 'generation' and to an extent ourselves quite how 4, 8, 12 steer the glorious exit, which moksha in our tradition is conceptualised as -- in the four-fold essence of human birth (in an ideal condition, I think). Maybe, we will have to compare the kama trikona with this trikona with a few example horoscopes where both the trikonas have been straddled, so as to ensure a cogent illustration. I think you could steer such a thread. RK You are managing the Vedic Astrologyandhealing group through Grouply.You to individual emails for this group. | Update your Subscription settings2 messages in this conversation, including this one | Add a commentView this message on Grouply so you can rate, tag, bookmark, and see what others think about it. Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Search. Y! Messenger Instant hello Chat in real-time with your friends.

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Dear Aavesh,

 

Thank you for your comments. I agree that the inner meaning of bhavas

only comes out when read in light of Jyotish classics.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

aavesh t wrote:

 

 

Namaskar Chandrashekarji and

RKDa,

 

Chandrashekarji : You

have given a brilliant expalanation of why these three Bhavas

constitute the Moksha Trikona

 

In today's world,these

Bhavas (particularly the 8th and 12th) are being used to look at sexual

relationships exclusively.This approach is very shortsighted in my

opinion

 

This is the problem with

learning Jyotish through books.A good Jyotish Guru will guide his

Shishyas about the undercurrents of each Bhava which a book (however

brilliant) can't !!

 

The 8th house when seen in

the esoteric sense deals with

spirituality (particularly

when associated with Sattwic Grahas like

Guru and Ketu in strength)

 

The 12th Bhava apart

from dealing with 'Sayana Sukha' deals with Meditation,Samadhi and

Moksha

 

The inner meanings of

these Bhavas will only come to light when one contemplates on

the Bhavas in light of the classics of Jyotish

 

Sadly given the present

culture of Fast Food and Twenty-20 cricket,this is too much to expect !!

 

RKDa:Pls continue

your line of thoughts on this topic.

 

I will provide a few

horoscopes to further this discussion

 

Regards,

 

aavesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar >

wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dear R K da,

 

I think the confusion is caused by looking at the bhavas in a

unidirectional fashion. 8th house is also death and rebirth, 4th is

state of happiness and the place of one's origin (as the motherland)

and 12th is leaving this world, besides other terms associated with the

bhavas.

 

it is unfortunate that these days only sexual activities are thought to

give one happiness and that perhaps is why the current generation

connects the 4, 8, 12 bhavas with Bhoga. I think people tend to forget

that state of happiness can exists in all stages of life but that is

not the case with sexual activities and therefore they can not be

equated to happiness that is indicated by the 4th bhava. If we

understand that the 4th is representative of Mother, House and vehicle

(amongst many other attributes) and the happiness related to the 4th

means the happiness one gets from the feeling of protection that one

gets in the lap of the mother or own house or in one's own vehicle and

then understand that one can experience the same happiness when one

becomes one with the Parabrahman from whose lap we get detached when we

are born, then it might be easier to understand why 4th, 8th and 12th

constitute the Moksha trikona. We should also understand that as we

proceed from the 8th to the 7th bhava we leave the visible portion of

the zodiac and enter the invisible half and as we leave the unrisen

Lagna and proceed towards the 12th bhava we proceed from the invisible

zodiac to the visible half. This is synonymous to our stages from the

birth to death and death to birth and the connection with Moksha should

be quite easy to see.

 

I hope I have not made this into a very lengthy comment on why the 4, 8

and 12 are the 3 points of the Moksha trikona and the readers are able

to follow the logic easily.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

arkaydash wrote:

 

 

Chandrasekhar Sa'ab namaste

The attempt Lalit is making may sound like rechristening the

threesome, but actually he is trying to make sense, for example, of

the role a house like 4th plays in attainging moksha. We have to tell

him how 4th plays that role, and how 12th, and finally 8th. Just saying

8th siginfies the secret, the hidden, the guhya may not be enough. Gupt

anga (secret organ) is read from 8th too. Now, 12th for bed, 8th

for secret organ, and 4th for delight (okay, happiness) -- that can

prompt someone to say they are bhoga trikona? I have tried to say in my

previous post that bhoga can be both ways, not that which is happy,

alone.

In other words, we have to tell this 'generation' and to an

extent ourselves quite how 4, 8, 12 steer the glorious exit, which

moksha in our tradition is conceptualised as -- in the four-fold

essence of human birth (in an ideal condition, I think).

Maybe, we will have to compare the kama trikona with this

trikona with a few example horoscopes where both the trikonas have

been straddled, so as to ensure a cogent illustration.

I think you could steer such a thread.

RK

 

 

 

 

 

 

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