Fwd: 4,8,12: Search the relevant 'hetus'

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Dear Lalit,

 

Out of these three whom do you think is self realized? All three?

Please provide data for all three that you may possess.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear Sir,

 

Thanx, Let's discuss horoscope of Adi Shankaracharya, Chaitanya Prabhu

(He may have some 8/12 house elements : not sure) and Amitabh

Bachchan's horoscope at first.

 

I will collect more in the meanwhile.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

aavesh t

<aavesh_s wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I too would request you to provide the charts

>

> I am sure it will be a learning experience for all of us

>

> Regards,

>

> aavesh

>

>

>

>

> Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

> Dear Lalit,

>

> For testing your theory you have to give charts of those who, in

your view, attained self realization as you have said that most of

those whom majority think are self realized are not so.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> litsol wrote: Dear RK Daa,

>

> As i was out on vacation, I could not read ur's as well as Sri

> Chandrashekhar Ji's mail.

>

> My opinion is, even a beautiful theory if doesn't hold true in

> reality, has no meaning at all, it needs to be reviewd.

>

> The Mokschha Trikona theory is a completely false theory, a

concocted

> one.

>

> None of the great saints, those who attained at self realization,

got

> God's vision had a superb 4/8/12 trikona. Not a single one has a

good

> concentrated 8'th house. However, all fakes Mystics, spiritually

> failures like Osho and many other toddlers have got good 8'th

house.

>

> We should accept a theory in the light of the reality.

>

> If u or anybody has a single case study to proove 4/8/12 as

Mokschha

> Trikona, will be highly appreciated for the good of astrology.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

"arkaydash"

> <arkaydash@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > I am glad seeing the confidence with which you have taken up

the

> relook

> > at 4, 8, 12. Yes, from 4th poorvapunya is to be read, if we

read

> between

> > the slokas I showed you in J.N.

> >

> > While we have accepted that kama trikona is 3,7, 11, there is

no

> reason

> > for not taking a fresh look at a bhava like 4th, where are

housed

> the

> > sukha. Can there be bhoga without sukha? There can be bhoga

together

> > with du(h)kha. S0 read du(h)kh bhoga from 8th. Saturn rules

over

> 8th not

> > just because 8th contains longevity -- that which lengthens.

What

> > lengthens? Du(h)kha, not sukha. Thus, saturn rul es that is

> lengthens. In

> > other words, du(h)kha . That's part of the scheme of things

on

this

> > mortal plane (martya). Those who experience [undergo/taste/

> (bhog/bhuk)]

> > sukha for long periods are rare, exceptions. Sukha is short-

lived,

> dukha

> > long-lived, generally speaking. Next, many of the

siginfications

of

> 12th

> > will be found to be of the dukha category, see esp. U.K. Now

if

you

> > think shajya-sukha only and consider 12th as house of sukha,

that

> is a

> > partial story of the house, in fact houses, all houses.

> >

> > The schema of trikona -- dharma (1,5,9) artha(2,6,10) etc --

is

to

> be

> > understood differently. Maybe I would like anyone doing such

shake-

> down

> > of existing schema if they can do the proving through testing

(of

> actual

> > horoscopes).

> >

> > Take 12th again. It's the hse of s eparation. 12th of any

bhava

> holds the

> > dynamic of separation for that bhava. This is, when we allow

karma

> to

> > strike us from behind as it catches up with us. But the same

> separation

> > (dynamic) can be made into a tool, whereby karma can't strike

 

you;

> you

> > pre-empt karma. How? Y0u steer clear of trappings, you walk

away,

> or at

> > least you remain nirlipta. Which is how we get tyaga and

bairagya.

> 11th,

> > by contrast, is avarice, cupidity, the path to eventual

perdition.

> > Strong 12th beter than strong 11th. (Remember Sarvatakavarga

rule?

> It

> > says the oppsite. 11th should have more pointage than 12th.

That's

> valid

> > from the perspective of worldlings) Yes, 12th is bhoga. Bhoga

of

> lasting

> > joy. The perspective has been changed, values radically

reworked.

> >

> > You can do your own reflection on 8th, basing on the hints,

and

can

> come

> > to see why mystics have an intensified 8th hse. And they

savour

the

> joy

> > the worldlings can scarce imagine.

> >

> > ....Purusha sukhadu(h)khanam bhokrtrutwe®heturuchyate

(Gita)

> >

> > RK

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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