Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, Desist from derogation. You have no idea what you are talking against. Be precise, and polite be. RK Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear friend, > > 12th Samadhi - Yes. > 4th Meditation - No. > 5th meditation - Yes. > 6th Concentration - Yes. > 11th - Hurdles -yes. > 8th- Occultism - yes. > 3rd - Will power - yes. > 2nd - Quality - Yes. > 1st - Strength - Yes. > 7th - Yogini - Yes. > 9th - Divine help - Yes. > 10th - Purushartha - Yes. > > Poetry is not understandable in astrology. > We have to get down to facts. What will happen, > when this is this. > When this planet is placed here. > When this lord of this house > is placed here. > When this planet is aspecting this planet and house. > When this planet is in conjunction with this. > When the 12th Lord of denial is placed in the 4th house it would > produce detachment from domestic Life - yes. > When 11th is strong woth above combination then, the person > would be in active Life,and ready to complete his desires towards > his family,without any attachment but detached.- Yes. > > We need practical pointers, not literary expositions. > We need to know , whether it would happen, > how it will happen, > and when it would happen, > and the quality of the hapenning, > whether Rajasic,tamasic or sattwic, > whether through, > Bhakti Rasa,Rajyoga, Japa Yoga, > or through Tantra Yoga. > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash " > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > Fourth Triad and Further > > > > Chandrashekhar Sa'ab and dear Aavesh, > > > > > > The thread is getting exhilarating, the forum gaining in strength, > I > > suppose. Let me write a few words for Lalit here. While other > groups are > > for most part wading through the predicitve ephemera, here is one > group > > that can keep (some of its) discourse firm on a plane that settles > for > > nothing less than the terms and tenor of purushartha. > > > > First to Shree Chandrasekhar. You have said, " These are difficult > > concepts to explain in written words and I trust that I have done > the > > best that I can. " I think you can do even better, sir. The concepts > > appear difficult. When you get the right interlocutor(s), nothing > need > > be difficult. They haven't been attempted so far. That's why. We > have to > > tap into our samvit as we parley along. > > > > To Aavesh: Did you see the colour I have chosen for samvit. That > is the > > colour assigned to it in colour symbology. Very refreshing > response with > > very pointed clues furnished, that was from you. The forum says > thank > > you. But I will dissent where I must, my dear. > > > > 12th you say is meditation and samadhi. 4th I say is turya. Where > do we > > meet. I don't refute, but won't concede. Let me make the > distinction as > > I understand the bhavas, I repeat as I understand the bhavas, and > my > > understanding may be incomplete. First: 12th is 'antya'. It > is 'ripha' > > too. The 'end' the 'precipice'. The body ends there. Its journey, > better > > still. But it is not just a journey of the body as we all know. > How do > > we understand the 12th (please allow me to say this as I reflect > and > > muse here: Nobody need be cocksure what the 12th or 4th or 8th > holds in > > store as we approach them as a purushartha triad)... Something had > its > > udaya, the lagna. It goes through the arc of experience. It > reaches its > > end point. > > > > Twelfth. Samadhi, yes. Meditation, no. > > > > Fourth. Meditation, yes. Samadhi, maybe. > > > > Samadhi happens (or is entered upon) as you leave the body: the > 12th > > from 1st house. Our 'dehabodh' dissolves. Selfhood even. Our > awarness of > > selfhood, I mean. And fourth is fulcrum. There you > are 'established'. > > It hooks the heaven (10th) down as you dip in, dive in. > > > > We will have to examine the arc of experience vis-a-vis the astro > > configuration as we go along with a view exclusively to this 4th > triad. > > > > Charts from Aavesh awaited. > > > > RK > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Dear RK, Derogation to myself, maybe., but not to anyone else.If it seemed otherwise then please forgive me. I seek astrological discussions and arguments in plain simple understandable astrological parlances, which lead us to pointers which provide predictions to study any charts. I am not against any individual, yes but would like to exchange arguments, and am against any stuff which does not provide me material or food to make or equip me to become a better astrologer. What would happen, When it would happen. and how it would happen, is all what an astrologer must and should be concerned about. Any discussions which teach us how to read above, is always welcome. Rest is a waste of time,I believe. Hope you agree . kind regards, Bhaskar. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash " <arkaydash wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > Desist from derogation. You have no idea what you are talking > against. Be precise, and polite be. > RK > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > 12th Samadhi - Yes. > > 4th Meditation - No. > > 5th meditation - Yes. > > 6th Concentration - Yes. > > 11th - Hurdles -yes. > > 8th- Occultism - yes. > > 3rd - Will power - yes. > > 2nd - Quality - Yes. > > 1st - Strength - Yes. > > 7th - Yogini - Yes. > > 9th - Divine help - Yes. > > 10th - Purushartha - Yes. > > > > Poetry is not understandable in astrology. > > We have to get down to facts. What will happen, > > when this is this. > > When this planet is placed here. > > When this lord of this house > > is placed here. > > When this planet is aspecting this planet and house. > > When this planet is in conjunction with this. > > When the 12th Lord of denial is placed in the 4th house it would > > produce detachment from domestic Life - yes. > > When 11th is strong woth above combination then, the person > > would be in active Life,and ready to complete his desires towards > > his family,without any attachment but detached.- Yes. > > > > We need practical pointers, not literary expositions. > > We need to know , whether it would happen, > > how it will happen, > > and when it would happen, > > and the quality of the hapenning, > > whether Rajasic,tamasic or sattwic, > > whether through, > > Bhakti Rasa,Rajyoga, Japa Yoga, > > or through Tantra Yoga. > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash " > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Fourth Triad and Further > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Sa'ab and dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > The thread is getting exhilarating, the forum gaining in > strength, > > I > > > suppose. Let me write a few words for Lalit here. While other > > groups are > > > for most part wading through the predicitve ephemera, here is one > > group > > > that can keep (some of its) discourse firm on a plane that > settles > > for > > > nothing less than the terms and tenor of purushartha. > > > > > > First to Shree Chandrasekhar. You have said, " These are difficult > > > concepts to explain in written words and I trust that I have done > > the > > > best that I can. " I think you can do even better, sir. The > concepts > > > appear difficult. When you get the right interlocutor(s), nothing > > need > > > be difficult. They haven't been attempted so far. That's why. We > > have to > > > tap into our samvit as we parley along. > > > > > > To Aavesh: Did you see the colour I have chosen for samvit. That > > is the > > > colour assigned to it in colour symbology. Very refreshing > > response with > > > very pointed clues furnished, that was from you. The forum says > > thank > > > you. But I will dissent where I must, my dear. > > > > > > 12th you say is meditation and samadhi. 4th I say is turya. Where > > do we > > > meet. I don't refute, but won't concede. Let me make the > > distinction as > > > I understand the bhavas, I repeat as I understand the bhavas, and > > my > > > understanding may be incomplete. First: 12th is 'antya'. It > > is 'ripha' > > > too. The 'end' the 'precipice'. The body ends there. Its journey, > > better > > > still. But it is not just a journey of the body as we all know. > > How do > > > we understand the 12th (please allow me to say this as I reflect > > and > > > muse here: Nobody need be cocksure what the 12th or 4th or 8th > > holds in > > > store as we approach them as a purushartha triad)... Something > had > > its > > > udaya, the lagna. It goes through the arc of experience. It > > reaches its > > > end point. > > > > > > Twelfth. Samadhi, yes. Meditation, no. > > > > > > Fourth. Meditation, yes. Samadhi, maybe. > > > > > > Samadhi happens (or is entered upon) as you leave the body: the > > 12th > > > from 1st house. Our 'dehabodh' dissolves. Selfhood even. Our > > awarness of > > > selfhood, I mean. And fourth is fulcrum. There you > > are 'established'. > > > It hooks the heaven (10th) down as you dip in, dive in. > > > > > > We will have to examine the arc of experience vis-a-vis the astro > > > configuration as we go along with a view exclusively to this 4th > > triad. > > > > > > Charts from Aavesh awaited. > > > > > > RK > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Om Namah Shivaye,, Namaste Bhaskar ji. In BPHS, " In chap 34, sloka 17, it says.. if rahu and /or ketu are in kendra, receiving a dristi from or are in association with the lord of a kona or of a kendra, it will become a yogakarka " - Kindly explain what would be the effects of such rahu/ketu in the MD or AD period.. Also how do u acertain if both rahu /ketu periods will be favourable, or equally unfavourable.. Kindly also consider the sign in which the nodes are placed will make a difference to their outcomes.. rahu in aquarius, scopio,, ketu in taurus/gemini etc.., so which signs give more benefic outcomes? What difference wud it make if the said rahu or ketu is conjunct a kendra lord and when it is conjuct a trikona lord?.. When Rahu becomes an atmakarka,( using the 8 planets), does it become more or less malefic?? Many thanks Sheevani Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear RK, > > Derogation to myself, maybe., > but not to anyone else.If > it seemed otherwise then please > forgive me. > > I seek astrological discussions and > arguments in plain simple understandable > astrological parlances, which lead us to > pointers which provide predictions > to study any charts. > > I am not against any individual, yes > but would like to exchange arguments, > and am against any stuff which does not provide > me material or food to make or equip me > to become a better astrologer. > > What would happen, > When it would happen. > and how it would happen, > is all what an astrologer > must and should be concerned > about. > > Any discussions which teach us > how to read above, is always welcome. > > Rest is a waste of time,I believe. > Hope you agree . > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash " > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > Desist from derogation. You have no idea what you are talking > > against. Be precise, and polite be. > > RK > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > 12th Samadhi - Yes. > > > 4th Meditation - No. > > > 5th meditation - Yes. > > > 6th Concentration - Yes. > > > 11th - Hurdles -yes. > > > 8th- Occultism - yes. > > > 3rd - Will power - yes. > > > 2nd - Quality - Yes. > > > 1st - Strength - Yes. > > > 7th - Yogini - Yes. > > > 9th - Divine help - Yes. > > > 10th - Purushartha - Yes. > > > > > > Poetry is not understandable in astrology. > > > We have to get down to facts. What will happen, > > > when this is this. > > > When this planet is placed here. > > > When this lord of this house > > > is placed here. > > > When this planet is aspecting this planet and house. > > > When this planet is in conjunction with this. > > > When the 12th Lord of denial is placed in the 4th house it would > > > produce detachment from domestic Life - yes. > > > When 11th is strong woth above combination then, the person > > > would be in active Life,and ready to complete his desires > towards > > > his family,without any attachment but detached.- Yes. > > > > > > We need practical pointers, not literary expositions. > > > We need to know , whether it would happen, > > > how it will happen, > > > and when it would happen, > > > and the quality of the hapenning, > > > whether Rajasic,tamasic or sattwic, > > > whether through, > > > Bhakti Rasa,Rajyoga, Japa Yoga, > > > or through Tantra Yoga. > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash " > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth Triad and Further > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Sa'ab and dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > The thread is getting exhilarating, the forum gaining in > > strength, > > > I > > > > suppose. Let me write a few words for Lalit here. While other > > > groups are > > > > for most part wading through the predicitve ephemera, here is > one > > > group > > > > that can keep (some of its) discourse firm on a plane that > > settles > > > for > > > > nothing less than the terms and tenor of purushartha. > > > > > > > > First to Shree Chandrasekhar. You have said, " These are > difficult > > > > concepts to explain in written words and I trust that I have > done > > > the > > > > best that I can. " I think you can do even better, sir. The > > concepts > > > > appear difficult. When you get the right interlocutor(s), > nothing > > > need > > > > be difficult. They haven't been attempted so far. That's why. > We > > > have to > > > > tap into our samvit as we parley along. > > > > > > > > To Aavesh: Did you see the colour I have chosen for samvit. > That > > > is the > > > > colour assigned to it in colour symbology. Very refreshing > > > response with > > > > very pointed clues furnished, that was from you. The forum > says > > > thank > > > > you. But I will dissent where I must, my dear. > > > > > > > > 12th you say is meditation and samadhi. 4th I say is turya. > Where > > > do we > > > > meet. I don't refute, but won't concede. Let me make the > > > distinction as > > > > I understand the bhavas, I repeat as I understand the bhavas, > and > > > my > > > > understanding may be incomplete. First: 12th is 'antya'. It > > > is 'ripha' > > > > too. The 'end' the 'precipice'. The body ends there. Its > journey, > > > better > > > > still. But it is not just a journey of the body as we all > know. > > > How do > > > > we understand the 12th (please allow me to say this as I > reflect > > > and > > > > muse here: Nobody need be cocksure what the 12th or 4th or 8th > > > holds in > > > > store as we approach them as a purushartha triad)... Something > > had > > > its > > > > udaya, the lagna. It goes through the arc of experience. It > > > reaches its > > > > end point. > > > > > > > > Twelfth. Samadhi, yes. Meditation, no. > > > > > > > > Fourth. Meditation, yes. Samadhi, maybe. > > > > > > > > Samadhi happens (or is entered upon) as you leave the body: > the > > > 12th > > > > from 1st house. Our 'dehabodh' dissolves. Selfhood even. Our > > > awarness of > > > > selfhood, I mean. And fourth is fulcrum. There you > > > are 'established'. > > > > It hooks the heaven (10th) down as you dip in, dive in. > > > > > > > > We will have to examine the arc of experience vis-a-vis the > astro > > > > configuration as we go along with a view exclusively to this > 4th > > > triad. > > > > > > > > Charts from Aavesh awaited. > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Om Namah Shivaye, Namaste Sheevaniji, There is no reason for us to disbelieve what has been written in the BPHS. When in says so, then we better believe it. Rahu in kendra especially with a Yogkaraka in conjunction would itself act as a Yogkaraka, that is give benefic results. Rahu itself is aTamasic graha, therefore the quality of results though benefic, would vary accordingly as the sign it is placed in. It is beyond the purview of time and space to take each ascendant and 4 Kendras, and explain what each placement would result in. When Rahu becomes a atmakaraka (If you take the nodes as also ioncluded in the reckoning of the Atmakaraka), it would still give the results which the atmaKaraka is expe cted to. One should just remember the driver driving the car as represented by the planet. The planet in question whether a Atmakaraka, Yogkaraka or signifying whatever, would have its basic inherent quality present in itself which cannot be eroded, and would surface time and again, when laying out the results in the natives Life. In Mars case the results would come in agression, in case of Rahu in quick unfathomable succession, in case of Venus, with style-through women , etcetra. Keeping all above in mind, as the base, I have my own method of judging the results of the Nodes, as taught by My Guru, which I have time and again presented on various forums, as under. a) Check the Nakshatra in which Rahu is. 2) Planet conjunct with Rahu(Only within 4 degrees orb) 3) Planet aspecting Rahu 4) The sign in which Rahu is placed. Okay now I have to rush for office. I am already late today. regards, Bhaskar. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Om Namah Shivaye,, > > Namaste Bhaskar ji. > > In BPHS, " In chap 34, sloka 17, it says.. if rahu and /or ketu are in > kendra, receiving a dristi from or are in association with the lord > of a kona or of a kendra, it will become a yogakarka " - > > Kindly explain what would be the effects of such rahu/ketu in the MD > or AD period.. Also how do u acertain if both rahu /ketu periods will > be favourable, or equally unfavourable.. > > Kindly also consider the sign in which the nodes are placed will make > a difference to their outcomes.. rahu in aquarius, scopio,, ketu in > taurus/gemini etc.., so which signs give more benefic outcomes? > > What difference wud it make if the said rahu or ketu is conjunct a > kendra lord and when it is conjuct a trikona lord?.. > > When Rahu becomes an atmakarka,( using the 8 planets), does it become > more or less malefic?? > > Many thanks > Sheevani > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Dear RK, > > > > Derogation to myself, maybe., > > but not to anyone else.If > > it seemed otherwise then please > > forgive me. > > > > I seek astrological discussions and > > arguments in plain simple understandable > > astrological parlances, which lead us to > > pointers which provide predictions > > to study any charts. > > > > I am not against any individual, yes > > but would like to exchange arguments, > > and am against any stuff which does not provide > > me material or food to make or equip me > > to become a better astrologer. > > > > What would happen, > > When it would happen. > > and how it would happen, > > is all what an astrologer > > must and should be concerned > > about. > > > > Any discussions which teach us > > how to read above, is always welcome. > > > > Rest is a waste of time,I believe. > > Hope you agree . > > > > kind regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash " > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar, > > > Desist from derogation. You have no idea what you are talking > > > against. Be precise, and polite be. > > > RK > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > 12th Samadhi - Yes. > > > > 4th Meditation - No. > > > > 5th meditation - Yes. > > > > 6th Concentration - Yes. > > > > 11th - Hurdles -yes. > > > > 8th- Occultism - yes. > > > > 3rd - Will power - yes. > > > > 2nd - Quality - Yes. > > > > 1st - Strength - Yes. > > > > 7th - Yogini - Yes. > > > > 9th - Divine help - Yes. > > > > 10th - Purushartha - Yes. > > > > > > > > Poetry is not understandable in astrology. > > > > We have to get down to facts. What will happen, > > > > when this is this. > > > > When this planet is placed here. > > > > When this lord of this house > > > > is placed here. > > > > When this planet is aspecting this planet and house. > > > > When this planet is in conjunction with this. > > > > When the 12th Lord of denial is placed in the 4th house it would > > > > produce detachment from domestic Life - yes. > > > > When 11th is strong woth above combination then, the person > > > > would be in active Life,and ready to complete his desires > > towards > > > > his family,without any attachment but detached.- Yes. > > > > > > > > We need practical pointers, not literary expositions. > > > > We need to know , whether it would happen, > > > > how it will happen, > > > > and when it would happen, > > > > and the quality of the hapenning, > > > > whether Rajasic,tamasic or sattwic, > > > > whether through, > > > > Bhakti Rasa,Rajyoga, Japa Yoga, > > > > or through Tantra Yoga. > > > > > > > > rgrds/Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash " > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fourth Triad and Further > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar Sa'ab and dear Aavesh, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thread is getting exhilarating, the forum gaining in > > > strength, > > > > I > > > > > suppose. Let me write a few words for Lalit here. While other > > > > groups are > > > > > for most part wading through the predicitve ephemera, here is > > one > > > > group > > > > > that can keep (some of its) discourse firm on a plane that > > > settles > > > > for > > > > > nothing less than the terms and tenor of purushartha. > > > > > > > > > > First to Shree Chandrasekhar. You have said, " These are > > difficult > > > > > concepts to explain in written words and I trust that I have > > done > > > > the > > > > > best that I can. " I think you can do even better, sir. The > > > concepts > > > > > appear difficult. When you get the right interlocutor(s), > > nothing > > > > need > > > > > be difficult. They haven't been attempted so far. That's why. > > We > > > > have to > > > > > tap into our samvit as we parley along. > > > > > > > > > > To Aavesh: Did you see the colour I have chosen for samvit. > > That > > > > is the > > > > > colour assigned to it in colour symbology. Very refreshing > > > > response with > > > > > very pointed clues furnished, that was from you. The forum > > says > > > > thank > > > > > you. But I will dissent where I must, my dear. > > > > > > > > > > 12th you say is meditation and samadhi. 4th I say is turya. > > Where > > > > do we > > > > > meet. I don't refute, but won't concede. Let me make the > > > > distinction as > > > > > I understand the bhavas, I repeat as I understand the bhavas, > > and > > > > my > > > > > understanding may be incomplete. First: 12th is 'antya'. It > > > > is 'ripha' > > > > > too. The 'end' the 'precipice'. The body ends there. Its > > journey, > > > > better > > > > > still. But it is not just a journey of the body as we all > > know. > > > > How do > > > > > we understand the 12th (please allow me to say this as I > > reflect > > > > and > > > > > muse here: Nobody need be cocksure what the 12th or 4th or > 8th > > > > holds in > > > > > store as we approach them as a purushartha triad)... > Something > > > had > > > > its > > > > > udaya, the lagna. It goes through the arc of experience. It > > > > reaches its > > > > > end point. > > > > > > > > > > Twelfth. Samadhi, yes. Meditation, no. > > > > > > > > > > Fourth. Meditation, yes. Samadhi, maybe. > > > > > > > > > > Samadhi happens (or is entered upon) as you leave the body: > > the > > > > 12th > > > > > from 1st house. Our 'dehabodh' dissolves. Selfhood even. Our > > > > awarness of > > > > > selfhood, I mean. And fourth is fulcrum. There you > > > > are 'established'. > > > > > It hooks the heaven (10th) down as you dip in, dive in. > > > > > > > > > > We will have to examine the arc of experience vis-a-vis the > > astro > > > > > configuration as we go along with a view exclusively to this > > 4th > > > > triad. > > > > > > > > > > Charts from Aavesh awaited. > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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