Four Triads and a Fathom

March 16, 2008

Dear Chandrashekarji, In the Bhagvat Gita,Shri Krishna mentions that : 'Whatever is the last thought of the Atma at the time of death,the being is reborn in accordance with that thought' That is the reason the holy men stress on thinking of God all the time !! If the thought is of one's Ishta then the soul attains Moksha (of course subject to indications in the native's chart) This is my personal opinion and others may differ Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Aavesh,I know that there is a theory like this. The theory could also be right. My problem is ascribing a desire to Atma in that theory. Atma is unsullied by desire, it is the "Mana" (mind) that has desire. Assuming the Atma to have desire, and every Atma before birth has that desire according to scriptures, what is more important from an astrological point of view is whether there is the potential in the chart to support the attainment of this desire through Kriyaman karma in this life. At least this is how I would view the matter.Take

care,Chandrashekhar.aavesh t wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji and RKDa, Contributing my two cents to this serious discussion : The potential for Moksha in a chart is something which is a bit tricky. Ketu in the 12th in Meena Rasi indicates a native with such a potential as most Jyotish classics aver. The Karakamsha and placement of planets from Karakamsha provides vital clues to the potential of the soul and it's desires in this lifetime The strength of Surya and Chara Atmakarak and the yogas which the Chara Atmakaraka forms in the chart are also pointers to the level of attainment of the soul Regards, aavesh Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear R K da,I agree that pravrajya and Moksha trikona are certainly different and can not be mixed. One can take pravrajya and yet not attain moksha or one who does not take pravrajya can attain moksha. Again since every chart has all the 4 trikonas it is not necessary that everybody goes through the 4

Purusharthas. Whether they will or not will depend on the planetary configuration. I can see that as I was afraid, my too lengthy explanation did cause some confusion. My reference to visible to invisible half etc. relates to the fact that the moksha is attained only after one leaves this world and enters the invisible 1/8 part called Vasudeva or even the 3/4 part that is attainable to only a few, therefore this change from invisible to visible and vice-a-versa and also the soul's journey from the lokas where we reside, to when we are born on this earth, represented by 12th and 1st bhava becomes relevant to one's moksha.It is said that Ketu in 12th bhava, in Pisces in 12th bhava and /or in Pisces in 12th bhava of navamsha chart leads one to Moksha. However it is necessary to understand that the chart shows the potential of an individual due to his purva karma. Whether he will attain the full potential of the chart depends partially on his Kriyaman karma

that he does in this life.I hope that this is somewhat clear now. These are difficult concepts to explain in written words and I trust that I have done the best that I can.Regards,Chandrashekhar.arkaydash wrote: Four Triads and a Fathom (To Shree Chandrashekhar) Dear Sir, Many such conceptual distinctions will have to be gone into as we try to understand the sage words of yore. And you have taken the pains to clear some of the fog around 4th. Happiness and delights are two separate things. I deliberately lumped them together to provke the sifting. May I add one crucial siginfication of 4th while we are at the mokshya triad. 4th denotes turya. You have already outlined some of the 'properties'. There may be more to

fathom. The other point is that I feel like keeping the so-called pravajya yoga out of the purview of moksha discussion, because that doesn't help in understanding how men, unbeknown to the world, (many of them) hop from triad to triad (not necessarily one separate triad after another). These (few) men have their serious pursuit of what is held to be the last triad, without having four or more planetary clump in their chart, without leaving home and hearth, without becoming a dandi sanyasin or a kapali or an aghora. How, under what planetary situation in the chart, is moksha triggered? When are we to know the triad is active and not subsumed by the other triads, say, kama and artha trikonas -- which constitute the present-day accent on life. PutreshNa, lokeshNa, and bit of bhajan-kirtan in the evening of life. That is how the average 20th- and 21st-century man configures his life. So what do the planets do in

the charts of the multitudes, what else do they do in the charts of the mumukshu? What gives man his mumuksha? Which planets, how? Such questions have to be taken up. Finally I would like you to tell me what you are driving at in this part of your post. Am I missing something? Can you please put it in some other ways so that I can get it. "... We should also understand that as we proceed from the 8th to the 7th bhava we leave the visible portion of the zodiac and enter the invisible half and as we leave the unrisen Lagna and proceed towards the 12th bhava we proceed from the invisible zodiac to the visible half. This is synonymous to our stages from the birth to death and death to birth and the connection with Moksha should be quite easy to see... " RK You are managing the Vedic Astrologyandhealing group through Grouply.You to individual emails for this group. | Update your Subscription settings2 messages in this conversation, including this one | Add a commentView this message on Grouply so you can rate, tag, bookmark, and see what others think about it. Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Ads on Learn more now. Reach customers searching for you. Y! Messenger All together now Host a free online conference on IM. 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. You are managing the Vedic Astrologyandhealing group through Grouply.You to individual emails for this group. | Update your Subscription settings5 messages in this conversation, including this one | Add a commentView this message on Grouply so you can rate, tag, bookmark, and see what others think

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