Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dear Maniv, With the Moon bereft of digbala, in the 5th and Sun being aspected by Saturn, By 10th aspect and not 3rd as in that case sun and Mercury will be 8 bhavas apart which is impossible astronomically) who is weak in the house of Sun and Sun himself in house of enemy Venus, the chances of spirituality do not appear to be very strong unless Jupiter and Saturn are having sambandha. There does, however seem to be harm coming to the first progeny. Chandrashekhar. maniv_pathak wrote: Chandrashekarji The conjunction of Moon, Saturn and Mars (lagna lord) occurs in the 5th house. Saturn aspects the Sun by its 3rd aspect;Sun is also tightly conjunct Mercury (2nd house, Tauras). Maniv Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > You may have to be more specific. Saturn has 3 aspects. You have also to > specify the bhava in which Moon, Saturn and Lagna lord are placed. If > Sun is weak and unaspected by any other planets, aspect of Saturn on it > could give spiritual abilities or tendencies. > > Chandrashekhar. > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > My question related to the placement of Moon,Saturn and Lagna lord > > in Leo. In this particular case, the dispositor Sun is also the Chara > > Atmakaraka, and is aspected by Saturn. > > > > Apologies for the confusion, the fault lies in my ambigious > > communication! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Maniv > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > I think you mixed the two things. Chara atmakaraka is to be > > analyzed for > > > its strength, like being in exaltation, own, friend's rasi, in > > square or > > > trine and so on in both rasi and navamsha. This coupled with aspect > > of > > > dispositor of Moon (who is unaspected by other grahas) on Saturn, > > or > > > aspect of Saturn on a weak dispositor of Chandra and so on as given > > in > > > Pravrajya yogas, will indicate not only if the person has potential > > for > > > highest degree of spirituality like renunciation or not. The > > strength of > > > the chara atmakaraka can indicate the level to which the > > spirituality > > > can be attained if the jataka strives for it. strength of Chara > > > atmakaraka will indicate if he has the capacity to sustain the > > efforts > > > required to achieve the final goal. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > I'd like to throw a permutation at you, if you don't mind, based > > on > > > > your point below - how would one interpret the Chara Atmakarak > > > > (identical to the Sthira in this case as it is the Sun) as > > dispositor > > > > of Saturn, Moon and Lagna lord? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani, > > > > > > > > > > I think atmakaraka (you mean Chara I believe) also has a role to > > > > play in > > > > > spirituality. No doubt about it, as it will indicate the > > strength > > > > of > > > > > soul or actually self control. The dispositor of Saturn and Moon > > > > also > > > > > have a role in spirituality indicators. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > sheevani147 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaye. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste.. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that Shani Mahraj has significant influence on > > > > spirituality.. > > > > > > Furthermore, Guru in dustana cannot be totally blemished just > > > > because > > > > > > he is in dustana, other qualities and conjuctions too need to > > be > > > > > > assesed. e.g. for dhanus or meen lagna, Guru is lagnesh. For > > Dhanu > > > > > > rasi, he is exalted when placed in 8H kark rasi. Further the > > > > > > association with a trikona lord will enhance it further.. For > > > > > > aquarius lagna, guru in 6H is exalted also.. etc etc. Guru in > > own > > > > > > house or exalted, will usually be auspicious, unless it is a > > > > malefic > > > > > > for the chart.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also when looking for spiritual upliftment, should we not also > > > > > > consider which planet is the atmakarka and how is it placed > > in the > > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashwini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more Saturn who is connected with spirituality than > > Guru, > > > > per > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga combinations. Guru is about religion, > > tradition, > > > > > > > knowledge and teaching. Of course others may hold a > > different > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, what is yours opinion of that placement of > > Guru > > > > in > > > > > > > > chart. In my opinion such Guru will not be capable to give > > > > person > > > > > > > > right understanding of real aim of Vedas. But can give > > some > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > inclination when is in twelve and eight bhava. But > > because is > > > > in > > > > > > > > dushtana bhavas especially in eight bhava when that Guru > > make > > > > > > Asura > > > > > > > > yoga, nothing seriously. > > > > > > > > But generally I think that such placement is bad for > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > universal principles of God and implementation of such > > > > principles > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > real life, it doesn't matters in which bhava is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Chandrashekarji Thank you for the summary. By 3rd aspect I was referring to the chronological order (1, 7, 10 – third in sequence). It probably would have been clearer to just say 10th! I can confirm that there was an issue with the first progeny, and father, which can also be inferred from the affliction to the Sun. Maniv Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > With the Moon bereft of digbala, in the 5th and Sun being aspected by > Saturn, By 10th aspect and not 3rd as in that case sun and Mercury will > be 8 bhavas apart which is impossible astronomically) who is weak in the > house of Sun and Sun himself in house of enemy Venus, the chances of > spirituality do not appear to be very strong unless Jupiter and Saturn > are having sambandha. There does, however seem to be harm coming to the > first progeny. > > Chandrashekhar. > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > The conjunction of Moon, Saturn and Mars (lagna lord) occurs in the > > 5th house. Saturn aspects the Sun by its 3rd aspect;Sun is also > > tightly conjunct Mercury (2nd house, Tauras). > > > > Maniv > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > You may have to be more specific. Saturn has 3 aspects. You have > > also to > > > specify the bhava in which Moon, Saturn and Lagna lord are placed. > > If > > > Sun is weak and unaspected by any other planets, aspect of Saturn > > on it > > > could give spiritual abilities or tendencies. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > My question related to the placement of Moon,Saturn and Lagna lord > > > > in Leo. In this particular case, the dispositor Sun is also the > > Chara > > > > Atmakaraka, and is aspected by Saturn. > > > > > > > > Apologies for the confusion, the fault lies in my ambigious > > > > communication! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > I think you mixed the two things. Chara atmakaraka is to be > > > > analyzed for > > > > > its strength, like being in exaltation, own, friend's rasi, in > > > > square or > > > > > trine and so on in both rasi and navamsha. This coupled with > > aspect > > > > of > > > > > dispositor of Moon (who is unaspected by other grahas) on > > Saturn, > > > > or > > > > > aspect of Saturn on a weak dispositor of Chandra and so on as > > given > > > > in > > > > > Pravrajya yogas, will indicate not only if the person has > > potential > > > > for > > > > > highest degree of spirituality like renunciation or not. The > > > > strength of > > > > > the chara atmakaraka can indicate the level to which the > > > > spirituality > > > > > can be attained if the jataka strives for it. strength of Chara > > > > > atmakaraka will indicate if he has the capacity to sustain the > > > > efforts > > > > > required to achieve the final goal. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to throw a permutation at you, if you don't mind, > > based > > > > on > > > > > > your point below - how would one interpret the Chara Atmakarak > > > > > > (identical to the Sthira in this case as it is the Sun) as > > > > dispositor > > > > > > of Saturn, Moon and Lagna lord? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think atmakaraka (you mean Chara I believe) also has a > > role to > > > > > > play in > > > > > > > spirituality. No doubt about it, as it will indicate the > > > > strength > > > > > > of > > > > > > > soul or actually self control. The dispositor of Saturn and > > Moon > > > > > > also > > > > > > > have a role in spirituality indicators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sheevani147 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that Shani Mahraj has significant influence on > > > > > > spirituality.. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, Guru in dustana cannot be totally blemished > > just > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > he is in dustana, other qualities and conjuctions too > > need to > > > > be > > > > > > > > assesed. e.g. for dhanus or meen lagna, Guru is lagnesh. > > For > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > rasi, he is exalted when placed in 8H kark rasi. Further > > the > > > > > > > > association with a trikona lord will enhance it further.. > > For > > > > > > > > aquarius lagna, guru in 6H is exalted also.. etc etc. > > Guru in > > > > own > > > > > > > > house or exalted, will usually be auspicious, unless it > > is a > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > for the chart.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also when looking for spiritual upliftment, should we not > > also > > > > > > > > consider which planet is the atmakarka and how is it > > placed > > > > in the > > > > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashwini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more Saturn who is connected with spirituality > > than > > > > Guru, > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga combinations. Guru is about religion, > > > > tradition, > > > > > > > > > knowledge and teaching. Of course others may hold a > > > > different > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, what is yours opinion of that placement > > of > > > > Guru > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > chart. In my opinion such Guru will not be capable to > > give > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > right understanding of real aim of Vedas. But can give > > > > some > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > inclination when is in twelve and eight bhava. But > > > > because is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > dushtana bhavas especially in eight bhava when that > > Guru > > > > make > > > > > > > > Asura > > > > > > > > > > yoga, nothing seriously. > > > > > > > > > > But generally I think that such placement is bad for > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > universal principles of God and implementation of such > > > > > > principles > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > real life, it doesn't matters in which bhava is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 Dear Maniv, I did not comment on issues with father as I thought the thread was about spirituality. I trust your query is satisfied. Chandrashekhar. maniv_pathak wrote: Chandrashekarji Thank you for the summary. By 3rd aspect I was referring to the chronological order (1, 7, 10 – third in sequence). It probably would have been clearer to just say 10th! I can confirm that there was an issue with the first progeny, and father, which can also be inferred from the affliction to the Sun. Maniv Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > With the Moon bereft of digbala, in the 5th and Sun being aspected by > Saturn, By 10th aspect and not 3rd as in that case sun and Mercury will > be 8 bhavas apart which is impossible astronomically) who is weak in the > house of Sun and Sun himself in house of enemy Venus, the chances of > spirituality do not appear to be very strong unless Jupiter and Saturn > are having sambandha. There does, however seem to be harm coming to the > first progeny. > > Chandrashekhar. > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > The conjunction of Moon, Saturn and Mars (lagna lord) occurs in the > > 5th house. Saturn aspects the Sun by its 3rd aspect;Sun is also > > tightly conjunct Mercury (2nd house, Tauras). > > > > Maniv > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > You may have to be more specific. Saturn has 3 aspects. You have > > also to > > > specify the bhava in which Moon, Saturn and Lagna lord are placed. > > If > > > Sun is weak and unaspected by any other planets, aspect of Saturn > > on it > > > could give spiritual abilities or tendencies. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > My question related to the placement of Moon,Saturn and Lagna lord > > > > in Leo. In this particular case, the dispositor Sun is also the > > Chara > > > > Atmakaraka, and is aspected by Saturn. > > > > > > > > Apologies for the confusion, the fault lies in my ambigious > > > > communication! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > I think you mixed the two things. Chara atmakaraka is to be > > > > analyzed for > > > > > its strength, like being in exaltation, own, friend's rasi, in > > > > square or > > > > > trine and so on in both rasi and navamsha. This coupled with > > aspect > > > > of > > > > > dispositor of Moon (who is unaspected by other grahas) on > > Saturn, > > > > or > > > > > aspect of Saturn on a weak dispositor of Chandra and so on as > > given > > > > in > > > > > Pravrajya yogas, will indicate not only if the person has > > potential > > > > for > > > > > highest degree of spirituality like renunciation or not. The > > > > strength of > > > > > the chara atmakaraka can indicate the level to which the > > > > spirituality > > > > > can be attained if the jataka strives for it. strength of Chara > > > > > atmakaraka will indicate if he has the capacity to sustain the > > > > efforts > > > > > required to achieve the final goal. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to throw a permutation at you, if you don't mind, > > based > > > > on > > > > > > your point below - how would one interpret the Chara Atmakarak > > > > > > (identical to the Sthira in this case as it is the Sun) as > > > > dispositor > > > > > > of Saturn, Moon and Lagna lord? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think atmakaraka (you mean Chara I believe) also has a > > role to > > > > > > play in > > > > > > > spirituality. No doubt about it, as it will indicate the > > > > strength > > > > > > of > > > > > > > soul or actually self control. The dispositor of Saturn and > > Moon > > > > > > also > > > > > > > have a role in spirituality indicators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sheevani147 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that Shani Mahraj has significant influence on > > > > > > spirituality.. > > > > > > > > Furthermore, Guru in dustana cannot be totally blemished > > just > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > he is in dustana, other qualities and conjuctions too > > need to > > > > be > > > > > > > > assesed. e.g. for dhanus or meen lagna, Guru is lagnesh. > > For > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > rasi, he is exalted when placed in 8H kark rasi. Further > > the > > > > > > > > association with a trikona lord will enhance it further.. > > For > > > > > > > > aquarius lagna, guru in 6H is exalted also.. etc etc. > > Guru in > > > > own > > > > > > > > house or exalted, will usually be auspicious, unless it > > is a > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > for the chart.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also when looking for spiritual upliftment, should we not > > also > > > > > > > > consider which planet is the atmakarka and how is it > > placed > > > > in the > > > > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashwini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more Saturn who is connected with spirituality > > than > > > > Guru, > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga combinations. Guru is about religion, > > > > tradition, > > > > > > > > > knowledge and teaching. Of course others may hold a > > > > different > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, what is yours opinion of that placement > > of > > > > Guru > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > chart. In my opinion such Guru will not be capable to > > give > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > right understanding of real aim of Vedas. But can give > > > > some > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > inclination when is in twelve and eight bhava. But > > > > because is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > dushtana bhavas especially in eight bhava when that > > Guru > > > > make > > > > > > > > Asura > > > > > > > > > > yoga, nothing seriously. > > > > > > > > > > But generally I think that such placement is bad for > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > universal principles of God and implementation of such > > > > > > principles > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > real life, it doesn't matters in which bhava is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Chandrashekarji In the context of spirituality, despite the absence of a relationship between Jupiter and Saturn, the inclinations/tendencies are strong. The example was given to facilitate an elaboration on the principle you mentioned earlier, regarding the dispostior of the Moon and Saturn. I agree that at first sight that the emphasis on second house significations and the influence of Venus indicates a material-focus. However, the Atmakarak seems to have 'carried' it's spiritual potency with it, particularly as it rules the mind (Moon), self (Mars) and detachment (Saturn), as well as the 5th house of mantras and shastras. The 2nd house placement with Mercury indicates that the outlet of this energy will be constrained by the boundaries imposed by Venus (and Saturn). But the aspect on the 8th house may have countered this by allowing some of the energy to flow towards spiritual pursuits. Thanks, Maniv Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > I did not comment on issues with father as I thought the thread was > about spirituality. I trust your query is satisfied. > > Chandrashekhar. > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > Thank you for the summary. By 3rd aspect I was referring to the > > chronological order (1, 7, 10 -- third in sequence). It probably would > > have been clearer to just say 10th! > > > > I can confirm that there was an issue with the first progeny, and > > father, which can also be inferred from the affliction to the Sun. > > > > Maniv > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > With the Moon bereft of digbala, in the 5th and Sun being aspected > > by > > > Saturn, By 10th aspect and not 3rd as in that case sun and Mercury > > will > > > be 8 bhavas apart which is impossible astronomically) who is weak > > in the > > > house of Sun and Sun himself in house of enemy Venus, the chances > > of > > > spirituality do not appear to be very strong unless Jupiter and > > Saturn > > > are having sambandha. There does, however seem to be harm coming to > > the > > > first progeny. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > The conjunction of Moon, Saturn and Mars (lagna lord) occurs in > > the > > > > 5th house. Saturn aspects the Sun by its 3rd aspect;Sun is also > > > > tightly conjunct Mercury (2nd house, Tauras). > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > You may have to be more specific. Saturn has 3 aspects. You have > > > > also to > > > > > specify the bhava in which Moon, Saturn and Lagna lord are > > placed. > > > > If > > > > > Sun is weak and unaspected by any other planets, aspect of > > Saturn > > > > on it > > > > > could give spiritual abilities or tendencies. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > > > My question related to the placement of Moon,Saturn and Lagna > > lord > > > > > > in Leo. In this particular case, the dispositor Sun is also > > the > > > > Chara > > > > > > Atmakaraka, and is aspected by Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apologies for the confusion, the fault lies in my ambigious > > > > > > communication! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you mixed the two things. Chara atmakaraka is to be > > > > > > analyzed for > > > > > > > its strength, like being in exaltation, own, friend's rasi, > > in > > > > > > square or > > > > > > > trine and so on in both rasi and navamsha. This coupled with > > > > aspect > > > > > > of > > > > > > > dispositor of Moon (who is unaspected by other grahas) on > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > aspect of Saturn on a weak dispositor of Chandra and so on > > as > > > > given > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Pravrajya yogas, will indicate not only if the person has > > > > potential > > > > > > for > > > > > > > highest degree of spirituality like renunciation or not. The > > > > > > strength of > > > > > > > the chara atmakaraka can indicate the level to which the > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > can be attained if the jataka strives for it. strength of > > Chara > > > > > > > atmakaraka will indicate if he has the capacity to sustain > > the > > > > > > efforts > > > > > > > required to achieve the final goal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to throw a permutation at you, if you don't mind, > > > > based > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > your point below - how would one interpret the Chara > > Atmakarak > > > > > > > > (identical to the Sthira in this case as it is the Sun) as > > > > > > dispositor > > > > > > > > of Saturn, Moon and Lagna lord? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think atmakaraka (you mean Chara I believe) also has a > > > > role to > > > > > > > > play in > > > > > > > > > spirituality. No doubt about it, as it will indicate the > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > soul or actually self control. The dispositor of Saturn > > and > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > have a role in spirituality indicators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sheevani147 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that Shani Mahraj has significant influence on > > > > > > > > spirituality.. > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, Guru in dustana cannot be totally > > blemished > > > > just > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > he is in dustana, other qualities and conjuctions too > > > > need to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > assesed. e.g. for dhanus or meen lagna, Guru is > > lagnesh. > > > > For > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > rasi, he is exalted when placed in 8H kark rasi. > > Further > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > association with a trikona lord will enhance it > > further.. > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > aquarius lagna, guru in 6H is exalted also.. etc etc. > > > > Guru in > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > house or exalted, will usually be auspicious, unless > > it > > > > is a > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > for the chart.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also when looking for spiritual upliftment, should we > > not > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > consider which planet is the atmakarka and how is it > > > > placed > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashwini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more Saturn who is connected with spirituality > > > > than > > > > > > Guru, > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga combinations. Guru is about religion, > > > > > > tradition, > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge and teaching. Of course others may hold a > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, what is yours opinion of that > > placement > > > > of > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In my opinion such Guru will not be > > capable to > > > > give > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > right understanding of real aim of Vedas. But can > > give > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > inclination when is in twelve and eight bhava. But > > > > > > because is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > dushtana bhavas especially in eight bhava when > > that > > > > Guru > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > Asura > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga, nothing seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > But generally I think that such placement is bad > > for > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > universal principles of God and implementation of > > such > > > > > > > > principles > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > real life, it doesn't matters in which bhava is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 Dear Maniv, I understand what you convey. Chandrashekhar. maniv_pathak wrote: Chandrashekarji In the context of spirituality, despite the absence of a relationship between Jupiter and Saturn, the inclinations/tendencies are strong. The example was given to facilitate an elaboration on the principle you mentioned earlier, regarding the dispostior of the Moon and Saturn. I agree that at first sight that the emphasis on second house significations and the influence of Venus indicates a material-focus. However, the Atmakarak seems to have 'carried' it's spiritual potency with it, particularly as it rules the mind (Moon), self (Mars) and detachment (Saturn), as well as the 5th house of mantras and shastras. The 2nd house placement with Mercury indicates that the outlet of this energy will be constrained by the boundaries imposed by Venus (and Saturn). But the aspect on the 8th house may have countered this by allowing some of the energy to flow towards spiritual pursuits. Thanks, Maniv Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > I did not comment on issues with father as I thought the thread was > about spirituality. I trust your query is satisfied. > > Chandrashekhar. > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > Thank you for the summary. By 3rd aspect I was referring to the > > chronological order (1, 7, 10 -- third in sequence). It probably would > > have been clearer to just say 10th! > > > > I can confirm that there was an issue with the first progeny, and > > father, which can also be inferred from the affliction to the Sun. > > > > Maniv > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > With the Moon bereft of digbala, in the 5th and Sun being aspected > > by > > > Saturn, By 10th aspect and not 3rd as in that case sun and Mercury > > will > > > be 8 bhavas apart which is impossible astronomically) who is weak > > in the > > > house of Sun and Sun himself in house of enemy Venus, the chances > > of > > > spirituality do not appear to be very strong unless Jupiter and > > Saturn > > > are having sambandha. There does, however seem to be harm coming to > > the > > > first progeny. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > The conjunction of Moon, Saturn and Mars (lagna lord) occurs in > > the > > > > 5th house. Saturn aspects the Sun by its 3rd aspect;Sun is also > > > > tightly conjunct Mercury (2nd house, Tauras). > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > You may have to be more specific. Saturn has 3 aspects. You have > > > > also to > > > > > specify the bhava in which Moon, Saturn and Lagna lord are > > placed. > > > > If > > > > > Sun is weak and unaspected by any other planets, aspect of > > Saturn > > > > on it > > > > > could give spiritual abilities or tendencies. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > > > My question related to the placement of Moon,Saturn and Lagna > > lord > > > > > > in Leo. In this particular case, the dispositor Sun is also > > the > > > > Chara > > > > > > Atmakaraka, and is aspected by Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apologies for the confusion, the fault lies in my ambigious > > > > > > communication! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you mixed the two things. Chara atmakaraka is to be > > > > > > analyzed for > > > > > > > its strength, like being in exaltation, own, friend's rasi, > > in > > > > > > square or > > > > > > > trine and so on in both rasi and navamsha. This coupled with > > > > aspect > > > > > > of > > > > > > > dispositor of Moon (who is unaspected by other grahas) on > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > aspect of Saturn on a weak dispositor of Chandra and so on > > as > > > > given > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Pravrajya yogas, will indicate not only if the person has > > > > potential > > > > > > for > > > > > > > highest degree of spirituality like renunciation or not. The > > > > > > strength of > > > > > > > the chara atmakaraka can indicate the level to which the > > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > can be attained if the jataka strives for it. strength of > > Chara > > > > > > > atmakaraka will indicate if he has the capacity to sustain > > the > > > > > > efforts > > > > > > > required to achieve the final goal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maniv_pathak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to throw a permutation at you, if you don't mind, > > > > based > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > your point below - how would one interpret the Chara > > Atmakarak > > > > > > > > (identical to the Sthira in this case as it is the Sun) as > > > > > > dispositor > > > > > > > > of Saturn, Moon and Lagna lord? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheevani, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think atmakaraka (you mean Chara I believe) also has a > > > > role to > > > > > > > > play in > > > > > > > > > spirituality. No doubt about it, as it will indicate the > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > soul or actually self control. The dispositor of Saturn > > and > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > have a role in spirituality indicators. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sheevani147 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivaye. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that Shani Mahraj has significant influence on > > > > > > > > spirituality.. > > > > > > > > > > Furthermore, Guru in dustana cannot be totally > > blemished > > > > just > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > he is in dustana, other qualities and conjuctions too > > > > need to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > assesed. e.g. for dhanus or meen lagna, Guru is > > lagnesh. > > > > For > > > > > > Dhanu > > > > > > > > > > rasi, he is exalted when placed in 8H kark rasi. > > Further > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > association with a trikona lord will enhance it > > further.. > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > aquarius lagna, guru in 6H is exalted also.. etc etc. > > > > Guru in > > > > > > own > > > > > > > > > > house or exalted, will usually be auspicious, unless > > it > > > > is a > > > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > for the chart.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also when looking for spiritual upliftment, should we > > not > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > consider which planet is the atmakarka and how is it > > > > placed > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > > > > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > > > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% 40>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashwini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is more Saturn who is connected with spirituality > > > > than > > > > > > Guru, > > > > > > > > per > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga combinations. Guru is about religion, > > > > > > tradition, > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge and teaching. Of course others may hold a > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Petar wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Om. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, what is yours opinion of that > > placement > > > > of > > > > > > Guru > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > chart. In my opinion such Guru will not be > > capable to > > > > give > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > right understanding of real aim of Vedas. But can > > give > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > > inclination when is in twelve and eight bhava. But > > > > > > because is > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > dushtana bhavas especially in eight bhava when > > that > > > > Guru > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > Asura > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga, nothing seriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > But generally I think that such placement is bad > > for > > > > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > > > > universal principles of God and implementation of > > such > > > > > > > > principles > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > real life, it doesn't matters in which bhava is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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