Maniv Ji - Akschhardham Temple Swami Narain and Me !!

[Guest guest]

Dear Maniv Ji,

 

I have seen ur posting of Swami Narayan's BData, I think an excerpt of my brief meeting with Swami at Akschhardham temple will be interesting to u, Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood by his followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places u dont see clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in his astral form, n'joy this true story -

 

 

Message #3236

 

Architecture of famous Akschhardham Temple is modified upon my interaction with their founder Swami Narayan.It was like this, Once i happened to visit the temple along with my father, who came to delhi for the first time, the temple was under construction and the theme was to make to Guru Centric temple, as hundreds of cults are doing today as they are misguided by bunch of so called gurus.It's an amazing temple, you can compare it's beauty with Taj Mahal, but i didnt like the way it was being built, I went to priest available, As i m nobody to get noticed, he didnt pay attention to my views, I asked him, who was ur guru, he said some name, then i asked who was his guru, he said his name, I wasked who was his guru, he said his name and when i asked who was his guru, he said none, I asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is about, the founder itself - "SwamiNarayan .." I was given answer "He worshipped Krishan who lives in Goloka .." I dont remember exact words..." I asked him then ... "Where is the krishan in the temple, Where is the Narayan in the temple .." You have forgotten the God who evolved a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer.I was bit unhappy .. while returning, at the main Gate, in the sky in his astral body Swami Narayan present, I happen to look at the sky, I found an young saint, the thought came to mind - "Oh, Swami Narayan"I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked him "SwamiJi, there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur followers to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of responsibility"after 1.5 yrs when i visited again akschhardham with my father, I found it was a changed temple, more beautiful with a huge centerstage temple in which Lord Vishnu, Shiva, and other God's idol is installed, along with one idol of great swaminarayana. .Now the entrance is called "Bhakit Gate (Dwar)"...This is the change that i expected to happen but if Swami Narayan is going to do was not sure, but he made it, so, i have seen if spirituality acts, acts like ur boss orders u to do something and that u do in the office, i mean bosse's order becomes a physical reality that u can perceive.same way,whatever spiritual wishes, pure wishes was there in my mind, if approached to God, converted into reality... may be it happened as i was a strong disbeliver, a kind of athiest, in my life and such clearly visible incidences were required for the God to convert my disbelief into belief.Those who are cunning at heart, and play convniently with their belief/disbelief, faces problem in life,there is nothing for them, spirituality is not available for them.They are in hallucinations, similarly those who are good in delivering lectures, writing articles coz they see the 'spiritual market' they are also in hallucinations, that's why i say - One day i will teach real spirituality to people like "Deepak Chopra, RaviShankar (art of living)", I dont understant how one can teach u somehting without experiencing it, I will take them towards the real experience, sothat, when they tell u about the "Bliss", they should feel that "Bliss" in their heart.Spirituality makes u stronger, courageous , active in such a way, comfort follows you, AC's are not required to give u a feel of the innner bliss.regards,Lalit..

 

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Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of ShriSwaminarayan.The birth data is:2 April 178110:10 pmChappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 NThe Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing Hindu(vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait doctrine ofShri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It isespecially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa. Recently,an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in Delhi.The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan was anincarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote commentarieson several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to empowerfollowers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a greatsocial reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same timeplaced an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya.This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations thatindicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully placed inits MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious morality,while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant forms astrong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly the mysticPisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, andhave `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the dharmatrikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus,exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers.Please do add your thoughts on this chart.Thank youManiv

[Guest guest]

Lalitji

 

Thank you for a thought provoking post, which was interesting to

read. However, with a purely open mind, I have a few comments:

 

The first and most crucial distinction to make is that the Shri

Swaminarayan sect has two divisions: the first is the authentic sect

established by Shri Swaminarayan himself, and is still led by

Acharyas from His linage. The second sect, 'BAPS', is an offshoot

that follows a separate philosophy that is contrary to Shri

Swamanarayan's teachings. Note that BAPS divide the name Swaminarayan

in to two components, Swami-Narayan, hence the Guru centric doctrine.

Akshardham in Delhi (and the famous Neasden Temple in London) have

been constructed by BAPS.

 

You said:

 

" Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood by his

followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places u

don't see clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in his

astral form "

 

Swaminarayan had mastered Sanskrit at a very young age, as well as

several other languages, and had a thorough command of all shastras.

He defeated many great pandits of his time in high level debates.

Hence the issue of poor education does not, in my opinion, arise.

 

You said:

 

" I asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is about,

the founder itself - " SwamiNarayan .. "

 

Swaminarayan was a disciple of Sri Ramananda Swami, whose linage can

be traced backed to the Uddhav Sampraday. He was initiated as

Sahajanad Swami, and succeeded Ramananda Swami as spiritual leader of

the samparday.

 

You said:

 

" I asked him then ... " Where is the krishan in the temple, Where is

the Narayan in the temple .. " You have forgotten the God who evolved

a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer "

 

The authentic temples established by Swaminarayan himself have either

Lord Krishna or Narnarayan Dev at the centre. As I have mentioned,

the Akshardham temple was constructed by an offshoot sect.

 

You said:

 

" I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked him " SwamiJi,

there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur followers

to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of

responsibility "

 

I am not doubting the validity of your experience, but if you

consider once again that the BAPS sect contradicts the instructions

of Swaminarayan as per the scriptures and guidance he left for his

followers, then this may have some justification.

 

I look forward to your comments.

 

Thank you,

 

Maniv

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

>

> Dear Maniv Ji,

>

>

>

> I have seen ur posting of Swami Narayan's BData, I think an excerpt

of

> my brief meeting with Swami at Akschhardham temple will be

interesting

> to u, Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood by

his

> followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places u dont

see

> clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in his astral form,

> n'joy this true story -

>

>

>

>

>

> Message #3236

>

>

>

> Architecture of famous Akschhardham Temple is modified upon my

> interaction with their founder Swami Narayan.

>

> It was like this, Once i happened to visit the temple along with my

> father, who came to delhi for the first time, the temple was under

> construction and the theme was to make to Guru Centric temple, as

> hundreds of cults are doing today as they are misguided by bunch of

> so called gurus.

>

> It's an amazing temple, you can compare it's beauty with Taj Mahal,

> but i didnt like the way it was being built, I went to priest

> available, As i m nobody to get noticed, he didnt pay attention to

my

> views, I asked him, who was ur guru, he said some name, then i asked

> who was his guru, he said his name, I wasked who was his guru, he

> said his name and when i asked who was his guru, he said none, I

> asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is about,

> the founder itself - " SwamiNarayan .. "

>

> I was given answer " He worshipped Krishan who lives in Goloka .. " I

> dont remember exact words... "

>

> I asked him then ... " Where is the krishan in the temple, Where is

> the Narayan in the temple .. " You have forgotten the God who evolved

> a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer.

>

> I was bit unhappy .. while returning, at the main Gate, in the sky

in

> his astral body Swami Narayan present, I happen to look at the sky,

I

> found an young saint, the thought came to mind - " Oh, Swami Narayan "

>

> I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked him " SwamiJi,

> there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur

followers

> to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of

> responsibility "

>

> after 1.5 yrs when i visited again akschhardham with my father, I

found

> it was a changed

> temple, more beautiful with a huge centerstage temple in which Lord

> Vishnu, Shiva, and other God's idol is installed, along with one

idol

> of great swaminarayana. .

>

> Now the entrance is called " Bhakit Gate (Dwar) " ...

>

> This is the change that i expected to happen but if Swami Narayan is

> going to do was not sure, but he made it, so, i have seen if

> spirituality acts, acts

> like ur boss orders u to do something and that u do in the office, i

> mean bosse's order becomes a physical reality that u can perceive.

> same way,whatever spiritual wishes, pure wishes was there in my

mind,

> if approached to God, converted into reality... may be it happened

as

> i was a strong disbeliver, a kind of athiest, in my life and such

> clearly visible incidences were required for the God to convert my

> disbelief into belief.

>

> Those who are cunning at heart, and play convniently with their

> belief/disbelief, faces problem in life,there is nothing for them,

> spirituality is not available for them.

>

> They are in hallucinations, similarly those who are good in

> delivering lectures, writing articles coz they see the 'spiritual

> market' they are also in hallucinations, that's why i say - One day

i

> will teach real spirituality to people like " Deepak Chopra,

> RaviShankar (art of living) " , I dont understant how one can teach u

> somehting without experiencing it, I will take them towards the real

> experience, sothat, when they tell u about the " Bliss " , they should

> feel that " Bliss " in their heart.

>

> Spirituality makes u stronger, courageous , active in such a way,

> comfort follows you, AC's are not required to give u a feel of the

> innner bliss.

>

> regards,

> Lalit..

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

>

>

>

>

> Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of Shri

> Swaminarayan.

>

> The birth data is:

>

> 2 April 1781

> 10:10 pm

> Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N

>

> The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing Hindu

> (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait doctrine of

> Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is

> especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa.

Recently,

> an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in Delhi.

>

> The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan was an

> incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote commentaries

> on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to empower

> followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a great

> social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same time

> placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya.

>

> This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations that

> indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully placed in

> its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious morality,

> while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant forms a

> strong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly the

mystic

> Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and

> have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the dharma

> trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus,

> exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers.

>

> Please do add your thoughts on this chart.

>

> Thank you

>

> Maniv

>

[Guest guest]

Maniv Ji,

 

I have no idea that Swaminarayan sect is divided into two branches,

as i had only one and brief interaction with swami, the operating

body of delhi's akschhardham temple doesnt divulge the split in the

sect, this is first time by you, i m hearing of it.

 

In my second visit to Temple when i saw the desired changes in the

temple's construction, i did buy some literature of the sect and

found swami narayan doesn't seem to have proper education of either

vaishanva school or vedantic school.

 

the books published by operating body of the temple doesnt reveal

much on his guru or guru lineage, they present swami as an avtaar

svayambhu) who started showing miracles from early childhood.

 

With my interaction with SwamiNarayan at temple and reading of his

literature (If same is written by him, not by somebody else) i

assumed swami ji's kundalini got awakened but complete enlightement

didn't happen when the current literature was recorded, that's why he

looks to get immensely confused at various places when he tries to

explain God, World and about him, But the way he accepted mistakes in

construction of Delhi's temple and promptly acted to correct,it shows

in his last days he was fully enlightened and perhapse nobody

recorded his thoughts after the enlightenment, perhapse he was

isolated from the crowd of followers in his last time (i guess).

 

However, i have doubts that Swami Ji was a sanskrit scholar, and he

has won debates like Aadi Sankaracharya.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " maniv_pathak "

<maniv_pathak wrote:

>

> Lalitji

>

> Thank you for a thought provoking post, which was interesting to

> read. However, with a purely open mind, I have a few comments:

>

> The first and most crucial distinction to make is that the Shri

> Swaminarayan sect has two divisions: the first is the authentic

sect

> established by Shri Swaminarayan himself, and is still led by

> Acharyas from His linage. The second sect, 'BAPS', is an offshoot

> that follows a separate philosophy that is contrary to Shri

> Swamanarayan's teachings. Note that BAPS divide the name

Swaminarayan

> in to two components, Swami-Narayan, hence the Guru centric

doctrine.

> Akshardham in Delhi (and the famous Neasden Temple in London) have

> been constructed by BAPS.

>

> You said:

>

> " Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood by his

> followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places u

> don't see clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in

his

> astral form "

>

> Swaminarayan had mastered Sanskrit at a very young age, as well as

> several other languages, and had a thorough command of all

shastras.

> He defeated many great pandits of his time in high level debates.

> Hence the issue of poor education does not, in my opinion, arise.

>

> You said:

>

> " I asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is

about,

> the founder itself - " SwamiNarayan .. "

>

> Swaminarayan was a disciple of Sri Ramananda Swami, whose linage

can

> be traced backed to the Uddhav Sampraday. He was initiated as

> Sahajanad Swami, and succeeded Ramananda Swami as spiritual leader

of

> the samparday.

>

> You said:

>

> " I asked him then ... " Where is the krishan in the temple, Where is

> the Narayan in the temple .. " You have forgotten the God who

evolved

> a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer "

>

> The authentic temples established by Swaminarayan himself have

either

> Lord Krishna or Narnarayan Dev at the centre. As I have mentioned,

> the Akshardham temple was constructed by an offshoot sect.

>

> You said:

>

> " I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked

him " SwamiJi,

> there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur

followers

> to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of

> responsibility "

>

> I am not doubting the validity of your experience, but if you

> consider once again that the BAPS sect contradicts the instructions

> of Swaminarayan as per the scriptures and guidance he left for his

> followers, then this may have some justification.

>

> I look forward to your comments.

>

> Thank you,

>

> Maniv

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Maniv Ji,

> >

> >

> >

> > I have seen ur posting of Swami Narayan's BData, I think an

excerpt

> of

> > my brief meeting with Swami at Akschhardham temple will be

> interesting

> > to u, Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood by

> his

> > followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places u

dont

> see

> > clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in his astral

form,

> > n'joy this true story -

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Message #3236

> >

> >

> >

> > Architecture of famous Akschhardham Temple is modified upon my

> > interaction with their founder Swami Narayan.

> >

> > It was like this, Once i happened to visit the temple along with

my

> > father, who came to delhi for the first time, the temple was under

> > construction and the theme was to make to Guru Centric temple, as

> > hundreds of cults are doing today as they are misguided by bunch

of

> > so called gurus.

> >

> > It's an amazing temple, you can compare it's beauty with Taj

Mahal,

> > but i didnt like the way it was being built, I went to priest

> > available, As i m nobody to get noticed, he didnt pay attention

to

> my

> > views, I asked him, who was ur guru, he said some name, then i

asked

> > who was his guru, he said his name, I wasked who was his guru, he

> > said his name and when i asked who was his guru, he said none, I

> > asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is about,

> > the founder itself - " SwamiNarayan .. "

> >

> > I was given answer " He worshipped Krishan who lives in Goloka .. "

I

> > dont remember exact words... "

> >

> > I asked him then ... " Where is the krishan in the temple, Where is

> > the Narayan in the temple .. " You have forgotten the God who

evolved

> > a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer.

> >

> > I was bit unhappy .. while returning, at the main Gate, in the

sky

> in

> > his astral body Swami Narayan present, I happen to look at the

sky,

> I

> > found an young saint, the thought came to mind - " Oh, Swami

Narayan "

> >

> > I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked

him " SwamiJi,

> > there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur

> followers

> > to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of

> > responsibility "

> >

> > after 1.5 yrs when i visited again akschhardham with my father, I

> found

> > it was a changed

> > temple, more beautiful with a huge centerstage temple in which

Lord

> > Vishnu, Shiva, and other God's idol is installed, along with one

> idol

> > of great swaminarayana. .

> >

> > Now the entrance is called " Bhakit Gate (Dwar) " ...

> >

> > This is the change that i expected to happen but if Swami Narayan

is

> > going to do was not sure, but he made it, so, i have seen if

> > spirituality acts, acts

> > like ur boss orders u to do something and that u do in the

office, i

> > mean bosse's order becomes a physical reality that u can perceive.

> > same way,whatever spiritual wishes, pure wishes was there in my

> mind,

> > if approached to God, converted into reality... may be it

happened

> as

> > i was a strong disbeliver, a kind of athiest, in my life and such

> > clearly visible incidences were required for the God to convert my

> > disbelief into belief.

> >

> > Those who are cunning at heart, and play convniently with their

> > belief/disbelief, faces problem in life,there is nothing for them,

> > spirituality is not available for them.

> >

> > They are in hallucinations, similarly those who are good in

> > delivering lectures, writing articles coz they see the 'spiritual

> > market' they are also in hallucinations, that's why i say - One

day

> i

> > will teach real spirituality to people like " Deepak Chopra,

> > RaviShankar (art of living) " , I dont understant how one can teach

u

> > somehting without experiencing it, I will take them towards the

real

> > experience, sothat, when they tell u about the " Bliss " , they

should

> > feel that " Bliss " in their heart.

> >

> > Spirituality makes u stronger, courageous , active in such a way,

> > comfort follows you, AC's are not required to give u a feel of the

> > innner bliss.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit..

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of Shri

> > Swaminarayan.

> >

> > The birth data is:

> >

> > 2 April 1781

> > 10:10 pm

> > Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N

> >

> > The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing Hindu

> > (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait doctrine

of

> > Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is

> > especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa.

> Recently,

> > an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in Delhi.

> >

> > The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan was

an

> > incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote

commentaries

> > on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to empower

> > followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a great

> > social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same time

> > placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya.

> >

> > This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations that

> > indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully placed

in

> > its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious morality,

> > while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant forms a

> > strong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly the

> mystic

> > Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and

> > have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the dharma

> > trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus,

> > exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers.

> >

> > Please do add your thoughts on this chart.

> >

> > Thank you

> >

> > Maniv

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lalitji

 

You've raised some important points. Here are my final thoughts:

 

You said:

 

" In my second visit to Temple when i saw the desired changes in the

temple's construction, i did buy some literature of the sect and

found swami narayan doesn't seem to have proper education of either

vaishanva school or vedantic school. "

 

 

The literature that you purchased would have been the produce of

BAPS, and therefore non-authentic. The key Swaminarayan scriptures

are the Vachanamrut and Shikshapatri. The latter is a simplified

summary of guidelines based on the Veds, and is purposely set out in

an easily accessible style.

 

The Vachanamrut, on the other hand, is highly technical in its

approach with great depth, and cross cuts through all the major

scripture (including The Gita, Skanda Puran, Padma Puran, Srimad

Bhagvat, Sri Bhasya). I would encourage you to study this if you wish

to broaden your understanding of the philosophy of Shri Swaminarayan:

there was a lot more to him than miracles.

 

You said:

 

" With my interaction with SwamiNarayan at temple and reading of his

literature (If same is written by him, not by somebody else) i

assumed swami ji's kundalini got awakened but complete enlightement

didn't happen when the current literature was recorded, that's why he

looks to get immensely confused at various places when he tries to

explain God, World and about him, But the way he accepted mistakes in

construction of Delhi's temple and promptly acted to correct,it shows

in his last days he was fully enlightened and perhapse nobody

recorded his thoughts after the enlightenment, perhapse he was

isolated from the crowd of followers in his last time (i guess). "

 

 

Swaminarayan makes several references to his visions of the various

loks during samadhi, and that he was able to transfer this ability to

his followers suggests that kundalini awakening occurred at a very

early stage for him. Bear in mind that he only lived for 49 years.

 

You said:

 

" However, i have doubts that Swami Ji was a sanskrit scholar, and he

has won debates like Aadi Sankaracharya. "

 

Swamanarayan's major victories in debates over prominent scholars of

his time are recorded in 'Haridigvijaya'. If you study this he proves

in a debate that the sect has firm foundations in the Vishistadvaita

doctrine.

 

I understand your scepticism of sects that you are unfamiliar with,

particularly at time when there are so many cults prompting false

doctrines. However, if you have the time, do make the effort to

research the points I have made, as the faculty of balanced,

intelligent rational thinking act a filter through which pre-assumed

notions can be purified.

 

Thanks,

 

Maniv

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Maniv Ji,

>

> I have no idea that Swaminarayan sect is divided into two branches,

> as i had only one and brief interaction with swami, the operating

> body of delhi's akschhardham temple doesnt divulge the split in the

> sect, this is first time by you, i m hearing of it.

>

> In my second visit to Temple when i saw the desired changes in the

> temple's construction, i did buy some literature of the sect and

> found swami narayan doesn't seem to have proper education of either

> vaishanva school or vedantic school.

>

> the books published by operating body of the temple doesnt reveal

> much on his guru or guru lineage, they present swami as an avtaar

> svayambhu) who started showing miracles from early childhood.

>

> With my interaction with SwamiNarayan at temple and reading of his

> literature (If same is written by him, not by somebody else) i

> assumed swami ji's kundalini got awakened but complete enlightement

> didn't happen when the current literature was recorded, that's why

he

> looks to get immensely confused at various places when he tries to

> explain God, World and about him, But the way he accepted mistakes

in

> construction of Delhi's temple and promptly acted to correct,it

shows

> in his last days he was fully enlightened and perhapse nobody

> recorded his thoughts after the enlightenment, perhapse he was

> isolated from the crowd of followers in his last time (i guess).

>

> However, i have doubts that Swami Ji was a sanskrit scholar, and

he

> has won debates like Aadi Sankaracharya.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " maniv_pathak "

> <maniv_pathak@> wrote:

> >

> > Lalitji

> >

> > Thank you for a thought provoking post, which was interesting to

> > read. However, with a purely open mind, I have a few comments:

> >

> > The first and most crucial distinction to make is that the Shri

> > Swaminarayan sect has two divisions: the first is the authentic

> sect

> > established by Shri Swaminarayan himself, and is still led by

> > Acharyas from His linage. The second sect, 'BAPS', is an offshoot

> > that follows a separate philosophy that is contrary to Shri

> > Swamanarayan's teachings. Note that BAPS divide the name

> Swaminarayan

> > in to two components, Swami-Narayan, hence the Guru centric

> doctrine.

> > Akshardham in Delhi (and the famous Neasden Temple in London)

have

> > been constructed by BAPS.

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > " Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood by his

> > followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places u

> > don't see clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in

> his

> > astral form "

> >

> > Swaminarayan had mastered Sanskrit at a very young age, as well

as

> > several other languages, and had a thorough command of all

> shastras.

> > He defeated many great pandits of his time in high level debates.

> > Hence the issue of poor education does not, in my opinion, arise.

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > " I asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is

> about,

> > the founder itself - " SwamiNarayan .. "

> >

> > Swaminarayan was a disciple of Sri Ramananda Swami, whose linage

> can

> > be traced backed to the Uddhav Sampraday. He was initiated as

> > Sahajanad Swami, and succeeded Ramananda Swami as spiritual

leader

> of

> > the samparday.

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > " I asked him then ... " Where is the krishan in the temple, Where

is

> > the Narayan in the temple .. " You have forgotten the God who

> evolved

> > a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer "

> >

> > The authentic temples established by Swaminarayan himself have

> either

> > Lord Krishna or Narnarayan Dev at the centre. As I have

mentioned,

> > the Akshardham temple was constructed by an offshoot sect.

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > " I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked

> him " SwamiJi,

> > there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur

> followers

> > to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of

> > responsibility "

> >

> > I am not doubting the validity of your experience, but if you

> > consider once again that the BAPS sect contradicts the

instructions

> > of Swaminarayan as per the scriptures and guidance he left for

his

> > followers, then this may have some justification.

> >

> > I look forward to your comments.

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> > Maniv

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Maniv Ji,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have seen ur posting of Swami Narayan's BData, I think an

> excerpt

> > of

> > > my brief meeting with Swami at Akschhardham temple will be

> > interesting

> > > to u, Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood

by

> > his

> > > followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places u

> dont

> > see

> > > clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in his astral

> form,

> > > n'joy this true story -

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Message #3236

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Architecture of famous Akschhardham Temple is modified upon my

> > > interaction with their founder Swami Narayan.

> > >

> > > It was like this, Once i happened to visit the temple along

with

> my

> > > father, who came to delhi for the first time, the temple was

under

> > > construction and the theme was to make to Guru Centric temple,

as

> > > hundreds of cults are doing today as they are misguided by

bunch

> of

> > > so called gurus.

> > >

> > > It's an amazing temple, you can compare it's beauty with Taj

> Mahal,

> > > but i didnt like the way it was being built, I went to priest

> > > available, As i m nobody to get noticed, he didnt pay attention

> to

> > my

> > > views, I asked him, who was ur guru, he said some name, then i

> asked

> > > who was his guru, he said his name, I wasked who was his guru,

he

> > > said his name and when i asked who was his guru, he said none, I

> > > asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is

about,

> > > the founder itself - " SwamiNarayan .. "

> > >

> > > I was given answer " He worshipped Krishan who lives in

Goloka .. "

> I

> > > dont remember exact words... "

> > >

> > > I asked him then ... " Where is the krishan in the temple, Where

is

> > > the Narayan in the temple .. " You have forgotten the God who

> evolved

> > > a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer.

> > >

> > > I was bit unhappy .. while returning, at the main Gate, in the

> sky

> > in

> > > his astral body Swami Narayan present, I happen to look at the

> sky,

> > I

> > > found an young saint, the thought came to mind - " Oh, Swami

> Narayan "

> > >

> > > I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked

> him " SwamiJi,

> > > there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur

> > followers

> > > to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of

> > > responsibility "

> > >

> > > after 1.5 yrs when i visited again akschhardham with my father,

I

> > found

> > > it was a changed

> > > temple, more beautiful with a huge centerstage temple in which

> Lord

> > > Vishnu, Shiva, and other God's idol is installed, along with

one

> > idol

> > > of great swaminarayana. .

> > >

> > > Now the entrance is called " Bhakit Gate (Dwar) " ...

> > >

> > > This is the change that i expected to happen but if Swami

Narayan

> is

> > > going to do was not sure, but he made it, so, i have seen if

> > > spirituality acts, acts

> > > like ur boss orders u to do something and that u do in the

> office, i

> > > mean bosse's order becomes a physical reality that u can

perceive.

> > > same way,whatever spiritual wishes, pure wishes was there in my

> > mind,

> > > if approached to God, converted into reality... may be it

> happened

> > as

> > > i was a strong disbeliver, a kind of athiest, in my life and

such

> > > clearly visible incidences were required for the God to convert

my

> > > disbelief into belief.

> > >

> > > Those who are cunning at heart, and play convniently with their

> > > belief/disbelief, faces problem in life,there is nothing for

them,

> > > spirituality is not available for them.

> > >

> > > They are in hallucinations, similarly those who are good in

> > > delivering lectures, writing articles coz they see

the 'spiritual

> > > market' they are also in hallucinations, that's why i say - One

> day

> > i

> > > will teach real spirituality to people like " Deepak Chopra,

> > > RaviShankar (art of living) " , I dont understant how one can

teach

> u

> > > somehting without experiencing it, I will take them towards the

> real

> > > experience, sothat, when they tell u about the " Bliss " , they

> should

> > > feel that " Bliss " in their heart.

> > >

> > > Spirituality makes u stronger, courageous , active in such a

way,

> > > comfort follows you, AC's are not required to give u a feel of

the

> > > innner bliss.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > =======================================================

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of Shri

> > > Swaminarayan.

> > >

> > > The birth data is:

> > >

> > > 2 April 1781

> > > 10:10 pm

> > > Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N

> > >

> > > The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing Hindu

> > > (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait

doctrine

> of

> > > Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is

> > > especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa.

> > Recently,

> > > an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in

Delhi.

> > >

> > > The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan

was

> an

> > > incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote

> commentaries

> > > on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to empower

> > > followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a

great

> > > social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same time

> > > placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya.

> > >

> > > This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations that

> > > indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully

placed

> in

> > > its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious

morality,

> > > while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant forms

a

> > > strong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly the

> > mystic

> > > Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and

> > > have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the

dharma

> > > trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus,

> > > exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers.

> > >

> > > Please do add your thoughts on this chart.

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > >

> > > Maniv

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Maniv Ji,

 

I felt very sad after reading ur post about the manipulation of BAPS,

I dont understand the reason why Akschhardham Temple committee is not

making available the original text written by Swami Narayan ? They

are not getting any advantage with the piles of scrap available in

their library.

 

This is how a guru dies in hands of few organized desciples, for

their own interest mischievious desciples starts projecting Guru as

exclusive avtaar of the God, obviously, what comes next is their easy

recognition as agent of God in their sect and then the mission

started by a realized saint starts vanishing.

 

I w'd look into my collection of the books to find out what books i

bought in akschhardham temple.

 

regards,

Lalit

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " maniv_pathak "

<maniv_pathak wrote:

>

> Lalitji

>

> You've raised some important points. Here are my final thoughts:

>

> You said:

>

> " In my second visit to Temple when i saw the desired changes in the

> temple's construction, i did buy some literature of the sect and

> found swami narayan doesn't seem to have proper education of either

> vaishanva school or vedantic school. "

>

>

> The literature that you purchased would have been the produce of

> BAPS, and therefore non-authentic. The key Swaminarayan scriptures

> are the Vachanamrut and Shikshapatri. The latter is a simplified

> summary of guidelines based on the Veds, and is purposely set out

in

> an easily accessible style.

>

> The Vachanamrut, on the other hand, is highly technical in its

> approach with great depth, and cross cuts through all the major

> scripture (including The Gita, Skanda Puran, Padma Puran, Srimad

> Bhagvat, Sri Bhasya). I would encourage you to study this if you

wish

> to broaden your understanding of the philosophy of Shri

Swaminarayan:

> there was a lot more to him than miracles.

>

> You said:

>

> " With my interaction with SwamiNarayan at temple and reading of his

> literature (If same is written by him, not by somebody else) i

> assumed swami ji's kundalini got awakened but complete enlightement

> didn't happen when the current literature was recorded, that's why

he

> looks to get immensely confused at various places when he tries to

> explain God, World and about him, But the way he accepted mistakes

in

> construction of Delhi's temple and promptly acted to correct,it

shows

> in his last days he was fully enlightened and perhapse nobody

> recorded his thoughts after the enlightenment, perhapse he was

> isolated from the crowd of followers in his last time (i guess). "

>

>

> Swaminarayan makes several references to his visions of the various

> loks during samadhi, and that he was able to transfer this ability

to

> his followers suggests that kundalini awakening occurred at a very

> early stage for him. Bear in mind that he only lived for 49 years.

>

> You said:

>

> " However, i have doubts that Swami Ji was a sanskrit scholar, and

he

> has won debates like Aadi Sankaracharya. "

>

> Swamanarayan's major victories in debates over prominent scholars

of

> his time are recorded in 'Haridigvijaya'. If you study this he

proves

> in a debate that the sect has firm foundations in the

Vishistadvaita

> doctrine.

>

> I understand your scepticism of sects that you are unfamiliar with,

> particularly at time when there are so many cults prompting false

> doctrines. However, if you have the time, do make the effort to

> research the points I have made, as the faculty of balanced,

> intelligent rational thinking act a filter through which pre-

assumed

> notions can be purified.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Maniv

>

>

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> > Maniv Ji,

> >

> > I have no idea that Swaminarayan sect is divided into two

branches,

> > as i had only one and brief interaction with swami, the operating

> > body of delhi's akschhardham temple doesnt divulge the split in

the

> > sect, this is first time by you, i m hearing of it.

> >

> > In my second visit to Temple when i saw the desired changes in

the

> > temple's construction, i did buy some literature of the sect and

> > found swami narayan doesn't seem to have proper education of

either

> > vaishanva school or vedantic school.

> >

> > the books published by operating body of the temple doesnt reveal

> > much on his guru or guru lineage, they present swami as an avtaar

> > svayambhu) who started showing miracles from early childhood.

> >

> > With my interaction with SwamiNarayan at temple and reading of

his

> > literature (If same is written by him, not by somebody else) i

> > assumed swami ji's kundalini got awakened but complete

enlightement

> > didn't happen when the current literature was recorded, that's

why

> he

> > looks to get immensely confused at various places when he tries

to

> > explain God, World and about him, But the way he accepted

mistakes

> in

> > construction of Delhi's temple and promptly acted to correct,it

> shows

> > in his last days he was fully enlightened and perhapse nobody

> > recorded his thoughts after the enlightenment, perhapse he was

> > isolated from the crowd of followers in his last time (i guess).

> >

> > However, i have doubts that Swami Ji was a sanskrit scholar, and

> he

> > has won debates like Aadi Sankaracharya.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " maniv_pathak "

> > <maniv_pathak@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lalitji

> > >

> > > Thank you for a thought provoking post, which was interesting

to

> > > read. However, with a purely open mind, I have a few comments:

> > >

> > > The first and most crucial distinction to make is that the Shri

> > > Swaminarayan sect has two divisions: the first is the authentic

> > sect

> > > established by Shri Swaminarayan himself, and is still led by

> > > Acharyas from His linage. The second sect, 'BAPS', is an

offshoot

> > > that follows a separate philosophy that is contrary to Shri

> > > Swamanarayan's teachings. Note that BAPS divide the name

> > Swaminarayan

> > > in to two components, Swami-Narayan, hence the Guru centric

> > doctrine.

> > > Akshardham in Delhi (and the famous Neasden Temple in London)

> have

> > > been constructed by BAPS.

> > >

> > > You said:

> > >

> > > " Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood by

his

> > > followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places

u

> > > don't see clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in

> > his

> > > astral form "

> > >

> > > Swaminarayan had mastered Sanskrit at a very young age, as well

> as

> > > several other languages, and had a thorough command of all

> > shastras.

> > > He defeated many great pandits of his time in high level

debates.

> > > Hence the issue of poor education does not, in my opinion,

arise.

> > >

> > > You said:

> > >

> > > " I asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is

> > about,

> > > the founder itself - " SwamiNarayan .. "

> > >

> > > Swaminarayan was a disciple of Sri Ramananda Swami, whose

linage

> > can

> > > be traced backed to the Uddhav Sampraday. He was initiated as

> > > Sahajanad Swami, and succeeded Ramananda Swami as spiritual

> leader

> > of

> > > the samparday.

> > >

> > > You said:

> > >

> > > " I asked him then ... " Where is the krishan in the temple,

Where

> is

> > > the Narayan in the temple .. " You have forgotten the God who

> > evolved

> > > a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer "

> > >

> > > The authentic temples established by Swaminarayan himself have

> > either

> > > Lord Krishna or Narnarayan Dev at the centre. As I have

> mentioned,

> > > the Akshardham temple was constructed by an offshoot sect.

> > >

> > > You said:

> > >

> > > " I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked

> > him " SwamiJi,

> > > there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur

> > followers

> > > to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of

> > > responsibility "

> > >

> > > I am not doubting the validity of your experience, but if you

> > > consider once again that the BAPS sect contradicts the

> instructions

> > > of Swaminarayan as per the scriptures and guidance he left for

> his

> > > followers, then this may have some justification.

> > >

> > > I look forward to your comments.

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > > Maniv

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Maniv Ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I have seen ur posting of Swami Narayan's BData, I think an

> > excerpt

> > > of

> > > > my brief meeting with Swami at Akschhardham temple will be

> > > interesting

> > > > to u, Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not

understood

> by

> > > his

> > > > followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places

u

> > dont

> > > see

> > > > clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in his

astral

> > form,

> > > > n'joy this true story -

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Message #3236

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Architecture of famous Akschhardham Temple is modified upon my

> > > > interaction with their founder Swami Narayan.

> > > >

> > > > It was like this, Once i happened to visit the temple along

> with

> > my

> > > > father, who came to delhi for the first time, the temple was

> under

> > > > construction and the theme was to make to Guru Centric

temple,

> as

> > > > hundreds of cults are doing today as they are misguided by

> bunch

> > of

> > > > so called gurus.

> > > >

> > > > It's an amazing temple, you can compare it's beauty with Taj

> > Mahal,

> > > > but i didnt like the way it was being built, I went to priest

> > > > available, As i m nobody to get noticed, he didnt pay

attention

> > to

> > > my

> > > > views, I asked him, who was ur guru, he said some name, then

i

> > asked

> > > > who was his guru, he said his name, I wasked who was his

guru,

> he

> > > > said his name and when i asked who was his guru, he said

none, I

> > > > asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is

> about,

> > > > the founder itself - " SwamiNarayan .. "

> > > >

> > > > I was given answer " He worshipped Krishan who lives in

> Goloka .. "

> > I

> > > > dont remember exact words... "

> > > >

> > > > I asked him then ... " Where is the krishan in the temple,

Where

> is

> > > > the Narayan in the temple .. " You have forgotten the God who

> > evolved

> > > > a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer.

> > > >

> > > > I was bit unhappy .. while returning, at the main Gate, in

the

> > sky

> > > in

> > > > his astral body Swami Narayan present, I happen to look at

the

> > sky,

> > > I

> > > > found an young saint, the thought came to mind - " Oh, Swami

> > Narayan "

> > > >

> > > > I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked

> > him " SwamiJi,

> > > > there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur

> > > followers

> > > > to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of

> > > > responsibility "

> > > >

> > > > after 1.5 yrs when i visited again akschhardham with my

father,

> I

> > > found

> > > > it was a changed

> > > > temple, more beautiful with a huge centerstage temple in

which

> > Lord

> > > > Vishnu, Shiva, and other God's idol is installed, along with

> one

> > > idol

> > > > of great swaminarayana. .

> > > >

> > > > Now the entrance is called " Bhakit Gate (Dwar) " ...

> > > >

> > > > This is the change that i expected to happen but if Swami

> Narayan

> > is

> > > > going to do was not sure, but he made it, so, i have seen if

> > > > spirituality acts, acts

> > > > like ur boss orders u to do something and that u do in the

> > office, i

> > > > mean bosse's order becomes a physical reality that u can

> perceive.

> > > > same way,whatever spiritual wishes, pure wishes was there in

my

> > > mind,

> > > > if approached to God, converted into reality... may be it

> > happened

> > > as

> > > > i was a strong disbeliver, a kind of athiest, in my life and

> such

> > > > clearly visible incidences were required for the God to

convert

> my

> > > > disbelief into belief.

> > > >

> > > > Those who are cunning at heart, and play convniently with

their

> > > > belief/disbelief, faces problem in life,there is nothing for

> them,

> > > > spirituality is not available for them.

> > > >

> > > > They are in hallucinations, similarly those who are good in

> > > > delivering lectures, writing articles coz they see

> the 'spiritual

> > > > market' they are also in hallucinations, that's why i say -

One

> > day

> > > i

> > > > will teach real spirituality to people like " Deepak Chopra,

> > > > RaviShankar (art of living) " , I dont understant how one can

> teach

> > u

> > > > somehting without experiencing it, I will take them towards

the

> > real

> > > > experience, sothat, when they tell u about the " Bliss " , they

> > should

> > > > feel that " Bliss " in their heart.

> > > >

> > > > Spirituality makes u stronger, courageous , active in such a

> way,

> > > > comfort follows you, AC's are not required to give u a feel

of

> the

> > > > innner bliss.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > =======================================================

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of Shri

> > > > Swaminarayan.

> > > >

> > > > The birth data is:

> > > >

> > > > 2 April 1781

> > > > 10:10 pm

> > > > Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N

> > > >

> > > > The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing

Hindu

> > > > (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait

> doctrine

> > of

> > > > Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is

> > > > especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa.

> > > Recently,

> > > > an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in

> Delhi.

> > > >

> > > > The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan

> was

> > an

> > > > incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote

> > commentaries

> > > > on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to

empower

> > > > followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a

> great

> > > > social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same

time

> > > > placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya.

> > > >

> > > > This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations that

> > > > indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully

> placed

> > in

> > > > its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious

> morality,

> > > > while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant

forms

> a

> > > > strong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly

the

> > > mystic

> > > > Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and

> > > > have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the

> dharma

> > > > trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus,

> > > > exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers.

> > > >

> > > > Please do add your thoughts on this chart.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you

> > > >

> > > > Maniv

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Maniv-ji,

According to you is Swami Narayana was he born like god or he was saint because like you also mentioned that

he was more then doing miracles so i know he was born in chapiya town father dharmdev & mother bhaktimata

but what i know is he himself had built 7 temples in gujrat & his built temple main statue he has put is lord krishna, or vishnu but then BAPS looks it in different ways they belive in saint who was with swaminarayan,

actually swaminarayans whos guru was ramanand swami who also was very near to vivekanand swami &

akshar purushottam was always with lord swaminarayan & so baps followed akshar purushottam as seperated

from original lords swaminarayan & baps started builting there own temples,

but why?? why they dont joined with same panth & had there new panth ,how can you left them on side? who is right or which panth is right only god knows, atleast i dont know? if you know guide me please ok

thanks

rashmi

litsol <mishra.lalitVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:21:28 AM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Maniv Ji - Akschhardham Temple Swami Narain and Me !!

 

Maniv Ji,I felt very sad after reading ur post about the manipulation of BAPS, I dont understand the reason why Akschhardham Temple committee is not making available the original text written by Swami Narayan ? They are not getting any advantage with the piles of scrap available in their library.This is how a guru dies in hands of few organized desciples, for their own interest mischievious desciples starts projecting Guru as exclusive avtaar of the God, obviously, what comes next is their easy recognition as agent of God in their sect and then the mission started by a realized saint starts vanishing.I w'd look into my collection of the books to find out what books i bought in akschhardham temple.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "maniv_pathak" <maniv_pathak@ ...> wrote:>> Lalitji> > You've raised some important points. Here are my final thoughts:> > You said:> > "In my second visit to Temple when i saw the desired changes in the > temple's construction, i did buy some literature of the sect and > found swami narayan doesn't seem to have proper education of either > vaishanva school or vedantic school."> > > The literature that you purchased would have been the produce of > BAPS, and therefore non-authentic. The key Swaminarayan scriptures > are the Vachanamrut and Shikshapatri. The latter is a simplified > summary of guidelines based on the Veds, and is purposely set out in > an easily accessible style.> > The

Vachanamrut, on the other hand, is highly technical in its > approach with great depth, and cross cuts through all the major > scripture (including The Gita, Skanda Puran, Padma Puran, Srimad > Bhagvat, Sri Bhasya). I would encourage you to study this if you wish > to broaden your understanding of the philosophy of Shri Swaminarayan: > there was a lot more to him than miracles.> > You said:> > "With my interaction with SwamiNarayan at temple and reading of his > literature (If same is written by him, not by somebody else) i > assumed swami ji's kundalini got awakened but complete enlightement > didn't happen when the current literature was recorded, that's why he > looks to get immensely confused at various places when he tries to > explain God, World and about him, But the way he accepted mistakes in > construction of Delhi's temple

and promptly acted to correct,it shows > in his last days he was fully enlightened and perhapse nobody > recorded his thoughts after the enlightenment, perhapse he was > isolated from the crowd of followers in his last time (i guess)."> > > Swaminarayan makes several references to his visions of the various > loks during samadhi, and that he was able to transfer this ability to > his followers suggests that kundalini awakening occurred at a very > early stage for him. Bear in mind that he only lived for 49 years.> > You said:> > "However, i have doubts that Swami Ji was a sanskrit scholar, and he > has won debates like Aadi Sankaracharya. "> > Swamanarayan' s major victories in debates over prominent scholars of > his time are recorded in 'Haridigvijaya' . If you study this he proves > in a debate that the

sect has firm foundations in the Vishistadvaita > doctrine. > > I understand your scepticism of sects that you are unfamiliar with, > particularly at time when there are so many cults prompting false > doctrines. However, if you have the time, do make the effort to > research the points I have made, as the faculty of balanced, > intelligent rational thinking act a filter through which pre-assumed > notions can be purified.> > Thanks,> > Maniv> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:> >> > Maniv Ji,> > > > I have no idea that Swaminarayan sect is divided into two branches,

> > as i had only one and brief interaction with swami, the operating > > body of delhi's akschhardham temple doesnt divulge the split in the > > sect, this is first time by you, i m hearing of it.> > > > In my second visit to Temple when i saw the desired changes in the > > temple's construction, i did buy some literature of the sect and > > found swami narayan doesn't seem to have proper education of either > > vaishanva school or vedantic school.> > > > the books published by operating body of the temple doesnt reveal > > much on his guru or guru lineage, they present swami as an avtaar > > svayambhu) who started showing miracles from early childhood.> > > > With my interaction with SwamiNarayan at temple and reading of his > > literature (If same is written by him, not by somebody else)

i > > assumed swami ji's kundalini got awakened but complete enlightement > > didn't happen when the current literature was recorded, that's why > he > > looks to get immensely confused at various places when he tries to > > explain God, World and about him, But the way he accepted mistakes > in > > construction of Delhi's temple and promptly acted to correct,it > shows > > in his last days he was fully enlightened and perhapse nobody > > recorded his thoughts after the enlightenment, perhapse he was > > isolated from the crowd of followers in his last time (i guess).> > > > However, i have doubts that Swami Ji was a sanskrit scholar, and > he > > has won debates like Aadi Sankaracharya. > > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > > > > > ---

In Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "maniv_pathak" > > <maniv_pathak@ > wrote:> > >> > > Lalitji> > > > > > Thank you for a thought provoking post, which was interesting to > > > read. However, with a purely open mind, I have a few comments:> > > > > > The first and most crucial distinction to make is that the Shri > > > Swaminarayan sect has two divisions: the first is the authentic > > sect > > > established by Shri Swaminarayan himself, and is still led by > > > Acharyas from His linage. The second sect, 'BAPS', is an offshoot > > > that follows a separate philosophy that is contrary to Shri > > >

Swamanarayan' s teachings. Note that BAPS divide the name > > Swaminarayan > > > in to two components, Swami-Narayan, hence the Guru centric > > doctrine. > > > Akshardham in Delhi (and the famous Neasden Temple in London) > have > > > been constructed by BAPS. > > > > > > You said:> > > > > > "Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood by his> > > followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places u > > > don't see clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in > > his > > > astral form"> > > > > > Swaminarayan had mastered Sanskrit at a very young age, as well > as > > > several other languages, and had a thorough command of all > > shastras. > > > He defeated many great pandits of

his time in high level debates. > > > Hence the issue of poor education does not, in my opinion, arise.> > > > > > You said:> > > > > > "I asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is > > about,> > > the founder itself - "SwamiNarayan .."> > > > > > Swaminarayan was a disciple of Sri Ramananda Swami, whose linage > > can > > > be traced backed to the Uddhav Sampraday. He was initiated as > > > Sahajanad Swami, and succeeded Ramananda Swami as spiritual > leader > > of > > > the samparday.> > > > > > You said:> > > > > > "I asked him then ... "Where is the krishan in the temple, Where > is> > > the Narayan in the temple .." You have forgotten the God who > >

evolved> > > a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer"> > > > > > The authentic temples established by Swaminarayan himself have > > either > > > Lord Krishna or Narnarayan Dev at the centre. As I have > mentioned, > > > the Akshardham temple was constructed by an offshoot sect.> > > > > > You said:> > > > > > "I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked > > him "SwamiJi,> > > there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur > > followers> > > to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of> > > responsibility"> > > > > > I am not doubting the validity of your experience, but if you > > > consider once again that the BAPS sect contradicts the > instructions > >

> of Swaminarayan as per the scriptures and guidance he left for > his > > > followers, then this may have some justification.> > > > > > I look forward to your comments.> > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > Maniv> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Maniv Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen ur posting of Swami Narayan's BData, I think an > > excerpt

> > > of> > > > my brief meeting with Swami at Akschhardham temple will be > > > interesting> > > > to u, Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood > by > > > his> > > > followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places u > > dont > > > see> > > > clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in his astral > > form,> > > > n'joy this true story -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Message #3236> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Architecture of famous Akschhardham Temple is modified upon my> > > > interaction with their founder Swami Narayan.> > > > >

> > > It was like this, Once i happened to visit the temple along > with > > my> > > > father, who came to delhi for the first time, the temple was > under> > > > construction and the theme was to make to Guru Centric temple, > as> > > > hundreds of cults are doing today as they are misguided by > bunch > > of> > > > so called gurus.> > > > > > > > It's an amazing temple, you can compare it's beauty with Taj > > Mahal,> > > > but i didnt like the way it was being built, I went to priest> > > > available, As i m nobody to get noticed, he didnt pay attention > > to > > > my> > > > views, I asked him, who was ur guru, he said some name, then i > > asked> > > > who was his guru, he said his

name, I wasked who was his guru, > he> > > > said his name and when i asked who was his guru, he said none, I> > > > asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is > about,> > > > the founder itself - "SwamiNarayan .."> > > > > > > > I was given answer "He worshipped Krishan who lives in > Goloka .." > > I> > > > dont remember exact words..."> > > > > > > > I asked him then ... "Where is the krishan in the temple, Where > is> > > > the Narayan in the temple .." You have forgotten the God who > > evolved> > > > a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer.> > > > > > > > I was bit unhappy .. while returning, at the main Gate, in the > > sky > > >

in> > > > his astral body Swami Narayan present, I happen to look at the > > sky, > > > I> > > > found an young saint, the thought came to mind - "Oh, Swami > > Narayan"> > > > > > > > I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked > > him "SwamiJi,> > > > there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur > > > followers> > > > to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of> > > > responsibility"> > > > > > > > after 1.5 yrs when i visited again akschhardham with my father, > I > > > found> > > > it was a changed> > > > temple, more beautiful with a huge centerstage temple in which > > Lord> > > > Vishnu, Shiva, and other God's idol is

installed, along with > one > > > idol> > > > of great swaminarayana. .> > > > > > > > Now the entrance is called "Bhakit Gate (Dwar)"...> > > > > > > > This is the change that i expected to happen but if Swami > Narayan > > is> > > > going to do was not sure, but he made it, so, i have seen if> > > > spirituality acts, acts> > > > like ur boss orders u to do something and that u do in the > > office, i> > > > mean bosse's order becomes a physical reality that u can > perceive.> > > > same way,whatever spiritual wishes, pure wishes was there in my > > > mind,> > > > if approached to God, converted into reality... may be it > > happened > > > as> > > > i was a strong

disbeliver, a kind of athiest, in my life and > such> > > > clearly visible incidences were required for the God to convert > my> > > > disbelief into belief.> > > > > > > > Those who are cunning at heart, and play convniently with their> > > > belief/disbelief, faces problem in life,there is nothing for > them,> > > > spirituality is not available for them.> > > > > > > > They are in hallucinations, similarly those who are good in> > > > delivering lectures, writing articles coz they see > the 'spiritual> > > > market' they are also in hallucinations, that's why i say - One > > day > > > i> > > > will teach real spirituality to people like "Deepak Chopra,> > > > RaviShankar (art of living)", I dont

understant how one can > teach > > u> > > > somehting without experiencing it, I will take them towards the > > real> > > > experience, sothat, when they tell u about the "Bliss", they > > should> > > > feel that "Bliss" in their heart.> > > > > > > > Spirituality makes u stronger, courageous , active in such a > way,> > > > comfort follows you, AC's are not required to give u a feel of > the> > > > innner bliss.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =======> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of Shri> > > > Swaminarayan.> > > > > > > > The birth data is:> > > > > > > > 2 April 1781> > > > 10:10 pm> > > > Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N> > > > > > > > The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing Hindu> > > > (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait > doctrine > > of> > > > Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is> > > > especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa. > > > Recently,> > > > an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in > Delhi.> > > > > > > > The followers of this samprday believe that Shri Swaminarayan

> was > > an> > > > incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote > > commentaries> > > > on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to empower> > > > followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as a > great> > > > social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same time> > > > placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya.> > > > > > > > This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations that> > > > indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully > placed > > in> > > > its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious > morality,> > > > while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant forms > a> > > > strong Brahma yoga. The

moksha trikona signs, particularly the > > > mystic> > > > Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and> > > > have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the > dharma> > > > trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor Venus,> > > > exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers.> > > > > > > > Please do add your thoughts on this chart.> > > > > > > > Thank you> > > > > > > > Maniv> > > >> > >> >>

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Rashmi Ji,

 

I think i have the answer for ur query, Swami Narayan was born like a

Saint and not as a God, if he has been a god, he w'd not have

appeared before me to clarify his ideology to me and folllow my

wishes, most interestingly, all the idols of the gurus was removed

from the main temple, I dont know where they are installed now, whole

structure of the temple got changed, I m happy for it. he was a great

saint of high order, I think better than Shirdi Baba,As per my

feelings, Shirdi Baba is not liberated after his death and wondering

in the form of a spirit, I will have to visit Shirdi to give peace to

his spirit, I m planning to visit Shirdi in June or July.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , rashmi patel

<rashmihpatel wrote:

>

> Maniv-ji,

> According to you is Swami Narayana was he born like god or he was

saint because like you also mentioned that

> he was more then doing miracles so i know he was born in chapiya

town father dharmdev & mother bhaktimata

> but what i know is he himself had built 7 temples in gujrat & his

built temple main statue he has put is lord krishna, or vishnu but

then BAPS looks it in different ways they belive in saint who was

with swaminarayan,

> actually swaminarayans whos guru was ramanand swami who also was

very near to vivekanand swami &

> akshar purushottam was always with lord swaminarayan & so baps

followed akshar purushottam as seperated

> from original lords swaminarayan & baps started builting there own

temples,

> but why?? why they dont joined with same panth & had there new

panth ,how can you left them on side? who is right or which panth is

right only god knows, atleast i dont know? if you know guide me

please ok

> thanks

> rashmi

>

>

>

> litsol <mishra.lalit

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:21:28 AM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Maniv Ji - Akschhardham

Temple Swami Narain and Me !!

>

> Maniv Ji,

>

> I felt very sad after reading ur post about the manipulation of

BAPS,

> I dont understand the reason why Akschhardham Temple committee is

not

> making available the original text written by Swami Narayan ? They

> are not getting any advantage with the piles of scrap available in

> their library.

>

> This is how a guru dies in hands of few organized desciples, for

> their own interest mischievious desciples starts projecting Guru as

> exclusive avtaar of the God, obviously, what comes next is their

easy

> recognition as agent of God in their sect and then the mission

> started by a realized saint starts vanishing.

>

> I w'd look into my collection of the books to find out what books i

> bought in akschhardham temple.

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " maniv_pathak "

> <maniv_pathak@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Lalitji

> >

> > You've raised some important points. Here are my final thoughts:

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > " In my second visit to Temple when i saw the desired changes in

the

> > temple's construction, i did buy some literature of the sect and

> > found swami narayan doesn't seem to have proper education of

either

> > vaishanva school or vedantic school. "

> >

> >

> > The literature that you purchased would have been the produce of

> > BAPS, and therefore non-authentic. The key Swaminarayan

scriptures

> > are the Vachanamrut and Shikshapatri. The latter is a simplified

> > summary of guidelines based on the Veds, and is purposely set out

> in

> > an easily accessible style.

> >

> > The Vachanamrut, on the other hand, is highly technical in its

> > approach with great depth, and cross cuts through all the major

> > scripture (including The Gita, Skanda Puran, Padma Puran, Srimad

> > Bhagvat, Sri Bhasya). I would encourage you to study this if you

> wish

> > to broaden your understanding of the philosophy of Shri

> Swaminarayan:

> > there was a lot more to him than miracles.

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > " With my interaction with SwamiNarayan at temple and reading of

his

> > literature (If same is written by him, not by somebody else) i

> > assumed swami ji's kundalini got awakened but complete

enlightement

> > didn't happen when the current literature was recorded, that's

why

> he

> > looks to get immensely confused at various places when he tries

to

> > explain God, World and about him, But the way he accepted

mistakes

> in

> > construction of Delhi's temple and promptly acted to correct,it

> shows

> > in his last days he was fully enlightened and perhapse nobody

> > recorded his thoughts after the enlightenment, perhapse he was

> > isolated from the crowd of followers in his last time (i guess). "

> >

> >

> > Swaminarayan makes several references to his visions of the

various

> > loks during samadhi, and that he was able to transfer this

ability

> to

> > his followers suggests that kundalini awakening occurred at a

very

> > early stage for him. Bear in mind that he only lived for 49 years.

> >

> > You said:

> >

> > " However, i have doubts that Swami Ji was a sanskrit scholar, and

> he

> > has won debates like Aadi Sankaracharya. "

> >

> > Swamanarayan' s major victories in debates over prominent

scholars

> of

> > his time are recorded in 'Haridigvijaya' . If you study this he

> proves

> > in a debate that the sect has firm foundations in the

> Vishistadvaita

> > doctrine.

> >

> > I understand your scepticism of sects that you are unfamiliar

with,

> > particularly at time when there are so many cults prompting false

> > doctrines. However, if you have the time, do make the effort to

> > research the points I have made, as the faculty of balanced,

> > intelligent rational thinking act a filter through which pre-

> assumed

> > notions can be purified.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Maniv

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Maniv Ji,

> > >

> > > I have no idea that Swaminarayan sect is divided into two

> branches,

> > > as i had only one and brief interaction with swami, the

operating

> > > body of delhi's akschhardham temple doesnt divulge the split in

> the

> > > sect, this is first time by you, i m hearing of it.

> > >

> > > In my second visit to Temple when i saw the desired changes in

> the

> > > temple's construction, i did buy some literature of the sect

and

> > > found swami narayan doesn't seem to have proper education of

> either

> > > vaishanva school or vedantic school.

> > >

> > > the books published by operating body of the temple doesnt

reveal

> > > much on his guru or guru lineage, they present swami as an

avtaar

> > > svayambhu) who started showing miracles from early childhood.

> > >

> > > With my interaction with SwamiNarayan at temple and reading of

> his

> > > literature (If same is written by him, not by somebody else) i

> > > assumed swami ji's kundalini got awakened but complete

> enlightement

> > > didn't happen when the current literature was recorded, that's

> why

> > he

> > > looks to get immensely confused at various places when he tries

> to

> > > explain God, World and about him, But the way he accepted

> mistakes

> > in

> > > construction of Delhi's temple and promptly acted to correct,it

> > shows

> > > in his last days he was fully enlightened and perhapse nobody

> > > recorded his thoughts after the enlightenment, perhapse he was

> > > isolated from the crowd of followers in his last time (i guess).

> > >

> > > However, i have doubts that Swami Ji was a sanskrit scholar,

and

> > he

> > > has won debates like Aadi Sankaracharya.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@

s.com, " maniv_pathak "

> > > <maniv_pathak@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lalitji

> > > >

> > > > Thank you for a thought provoking post, which was interesting

> to

> > > > read. However, with a purely open mind, I have a few comments:

> > > >

> > > > The first and most crucial distinction to make is that the

Shri

> > > > Swaminarayan sect has two divisions: the first is the

authentic

> > > sect

> > > > established by Shri Swaminarayan himself, and is still led by

> > > > Acharyas from His linage. The second sect, 'BAPS', is an

> offshoot

> > > > that follows a separate philosophy that is contrary to Shri

> > > > Swamanarayan' s teachings. Note that BAPS divide the name

> > > Swaminarayan

> > > > in to two components, Swami-Narayan, hence the Guru centric

> > > doctrine.

> > > > Akshardham in Delhi (and the famous Neasden Temple in London)

> > have

> > > > been constructed by BAPS.

> > > >

> > > > You said:

> > > >

> > > > " Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not understood by

> his

> > > > followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many places

> u

> > > > don't see clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in

> > > his

> > > > astral form "

> > > >

> > > > Swaminarayan had mastered Sanskrit at a very young age, as

well

> > as

> > > > several other languages, and had a thorough command of all

> > > shastras.

> > > > He defeated many great pandits of his time in high level

> debates.

> > > > Hence the issue of poor education does not, in my opinion,

> arise.

> > > >

> > > > You said:

> > > >

> > > > " I asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it

is

> > > about,

> > > > the founder itself - " SwamiNarayan .. "

> > > >

> > > > Swaminarayan was a disciple of Sri Ramananda Swami, whose

> linage

> > > can

> > > > be traced backed to the Uddhav Sampraday. He was initiated as

> > > > Sahajanad Swami, and succeeded Ramananda Swami as spiritual

> > leader

> > > of

> > > > the samparday.

> > > >

> > > > You said:

> > > >

> > > > " I asked him then ... " Where is the krishan in the temple,

> Where

> > is

> > > > the Narayan in the temple .. " You have forgotten the God who

> > > evolved

> > > > a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer "

> > > >

> > > > The authentic temples established by Swaminarayan himself

have

> > > either

> > > > Lord Krishna or Narnarayan Dev at the centre. As I have

> > mentioned,

> > > > the Akshardham temple was constructed by an offshoot sect.

> > > >

> > > > You said:

> > > >

> > > > " I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked

> > > him " SwamiJi,

> > > > there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur

> > > followers

> > > > to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of

> > > > responsibility "

> > > >

> > > > I am not doubting the validity of your experience, but if you

> > > > consider once again that the BAPS sect contradicts the

> > instructions

> > > > of Swaminarayan as per the scriptures and guidance he left

for

> > his

> > > > followers, then this may have some justification.

> > > >

> > > > I look forward to your comments.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > >

> > > > Maniv

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Maniv Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have seen ur posting of Swami Narayan's BData, I think an

> > > excerpt

> > > > of

> > > > > my brief meeting with Swami at Akschhardham temple will be

> > > > interesting

> > > > > to u, Swami Narayan was a great soul but he was not

> understood

> > by

> > > > his

> > > > > followers and as Swami was not well educated, at many

places

> u

> > > dont

> > > > see

> > > > > clarity in his thoughts, but he is still present in his

> astral

> > > form,

> > > > > n'joy this true story -

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Message #3236

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Architecture of famous Akschhardham Temple is modified upon

my

> > > > > interaction with their founder Swami Narayan.

> > > > >

> > > > > It was like this, Once i happened to visit the temple along

> > with

> > > my

> > > > > father, who came to delhi for the first time, the temple

was

> > under

> > > > > construction and the theme was to make to Guru Centric

> temple,

> > as

> > > > > hundreds of cults are doing today as they are misguided by

> > bunch

> > > of

> > > > > so called gurus.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's an amazing temple, you can compare it's beauty with

Taj

> > > Mahal,

> > > > > but i didnt like the way it was being built, I went to

priest

> > > > > available, As i m nobody to get noticed, he didnt pay

> attention

> > > to

> > > > my

> > > > > views, I asked him, who was ur guru, he said some name,

then

> i

> > > asked

> > > > > who was his guru, he said his name, I wasked who was his

> guru,

> > he

> > > > > said his name and when i asked who was his guru, he said

> none, I

> > > > > asked how he became A Guru, what sadhana he did, Seem it is

> > about,

> > > > > the founder itself - " SwamiNarayan .. "

> > > > >

> > > > > I was given answer " He worshipped Krishan who lives in

> > Goloka .. "

> > > I

> > > > > dont remember exact words... "

> > > > >

> > > > > I asked him then ... " Where is the krishan in the temple,

> Where

> > is

> > > > > the Narayan in the temple .. " You have forgotten the God

who

> > > evolved

> > > > > a child to Great Saint Narayan Swami..., He had no answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was bit unhappy .. while returning, at the main Gate, in

> the

> > > sky

> > > > in

> > > > > his astral body Swami Narayan present, I happen to look at

> the

> > > sky,

> > > > I

> > > > > found an young saint, the thought came to mind - " Oh, Swami

> > > Narayan "

> > > > >

> > > > > I did a pranam to him, his was a guilty face, I asked

> > > him " SwamiJi,

> > > > > there is no use showing ur innocence to me, pls. inspire ur

> > > > followers

> > > > > to come into right track ..., being a Guru it's ur part of

> > > > > responsibility "

> > > > >

> > > > > after 1.5 yrs when i visited again akschhardham with my

> father,

> > I

> > > > found

> > > > > it was a changed

> > > > > temple, more beautiful with a huge centerstage temple in

> which

> > > Lord

> > > > > Vishnu, Shiva, and other God's idol is installed, along

with

> > one

> > > > idol

> > > > > of great swaminarayana. .

> > > > >

> > > > > Now the entrance is called " Bhakit Gate (Dwar) " ...

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the change that i expected to happen but if Swami

> > Narayan

> > > is

> > > > > going to do was not sure, but he made it, so, i have seen if

> > > > > spirituality acts, acts

> > > > > like ur boss orders u to do something and that u do in the

> > > office, i

> > > > > mean bosse's order becomes a physical reality that u can

> > perceive.

> > > > > same way,whatever spiritual wishes, pure wishes was there

in

> my

> > > > mind,

> > > > > if approached to God, converted into reality... may be it

> > > happened

> > > > as

> > > > > i was a strong disbeliver, a kind of athiest, in my life

and

> > such

> > > > > clearly visible incidences were required for the God to

> convert

> > my

> > > > > disbelief into belief.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who are cunning at heart, and play convniently with

> their

> > > > > belief/disbelief, faces problem in life,there is nothing

for

> > them,

> > > > > spirituality is not available for them.

> > > > >

> > > > > They are in hallucinations, similarly those who are good in

> > > > > delivering lectures, writing articles coz they see

> > the 'spiritual

> > > > > market' they are also in hallucinations, that's why i say -

> One

> > > day

> > > > i

> > > > > will teach real spirituality to people like " Deepak Chopra,

> > > > > RaviShankar (art of living) " , I dont understant how one can

> > teach

> > > u

> > > > > somehting without experiencing it, I will take them towards

> the

> > > real

> > > > > experience, sothat, when they tell u about the " Bliss " ,

they

> > > should

> > > > > feel that " Bliss " in their heart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Spirituality makes u stronger, courageous , active in such

a

> > way,

> > > > > comfort follows you, AC's are not required to give u a feel

> of

> > the

> > > > > innner bliss.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit..

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =======

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Keeping to this topic, I am posting the birth details of

Shri

> > > > > Swaminarayan.

> > > > >

> > > > > The birth data is:

> > > > >

> > > > > 2 April 1781

> > > > > 10:10 pm

> > > > > Chappaiya(UP) Long : 80 56 E / Lat : 26 51 N

> > > > >

> > > > > The Swaminarayana Sampraday is one of the fastest growing

> Hindu

> > > > > (vaishnava) sects and has it roots in the vishistadvait

> > doctrine

> > > of

> > > > > Shri Ramanuja, with millions of followers world wide. It is

> > > > > especially prominent in Gujarat, the U.K., U.S. and Africa.

> > > > Recently,

> > > > > an offshoot sect, BAPS, constructed a Swaminaryan Temple in

> > Delhi.

> > > > >

> > > > > The followers of this samprday believe that Shri

Swaminarayan

> > was

> > > an

> > > > > incarnation of NarNarayan Dev. Shri Swaminarayan wrote

> > > commentaries

> > > > > on several shastras, and was gifted with the ability to

> empower

> > > > > followers to enter into Samadhi. He was also recognised as

a

> > great

> > > > > social reformer and promoted the bhakti marga, but at same

> time

> > > > > placed an emphasis on dharma, gnana and vairagya.

> > > > >

> > > > > This chart has, in my opinion, an array of configurations

that

> > > > > indicate divinity and spirituality. The Moon is powerfully

> > placed

> > > in

> > > > > its MTK sign in the 9th house of preaching and religious

> > morality,

> > > > > while the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction in the ascendant

> forms

> > a

> > > > > strong Brahma yoga. The moksha trikona signs, particularly

> the

> > > > mystic

> > > > > Pisces, are all occupied with strongly placed planets, and

> > > > > have `rotated' (with reference to the natural chart) to the

> > dharma

> > > > > trikona houses. Ketu is in the 12th, with is dispositor

Venus,

> > > > > exalted in the 5th house of bhakti, mantras and followers.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please do add your thoughts on this chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you

> > > > >

> > > > > Maniv

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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