ShahJahan and AurangJeb - AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji)

June 9, 2008

Chandrasekharji,

What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have alluded to Kapata Yoga

under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto constitutes saintly

disposition if I correctly remember your observation at this forum. The

sign in this case is Makara.

RK

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large house and also the

> possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth, necessarily. It could

> also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon not aspecting the th

> or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. It is more the

> Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate this tendency of

> showing off his religion.

>

> take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat + Moon in 4'th house,

> > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as well as Mars aspect

> > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the group for a

serious

> > discussion.

> >

> > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person fanatic and

> > barberic ?

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter in the Lagna his

> > history

> > > does not suit the chart.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Group and Elders,

> > > >

> > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid Lahori has given some

> > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u planetary position at

the

> > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan and his bad son

> > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to have an

> > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on -

> > > >

> > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of siblings.

> > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers.

> > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of Aurangjeb)

> > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds of women in the

fort)

> > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance

> > > > 6. religious fanatism

> > > >

> > > > A ---> Aurangjeb

> > > >

> > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the time, m not sure)

> > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.

> > > >

> > > > The details i have are as follows -

> > > >

> > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup

> > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> > > > 6h : Ketu

> > > > 7H : Mars

> > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> > > > 11H : Ven

> > > > 12: Rahu

> > > >

> > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> > > >

> > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth details, any way

> > reproducing

> > > > his horoscope

> > > >

> > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> > > > 2H : Mars

> > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> > > > 8H: Moon

> > > > 10H : Ju

> > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> > > >

> > > > He did a revolt against Father in Rahu/Moon/Mars but in

Sani/Rahu

> > All

> > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another Son).

> > > >

> > > > Will give more details tomorrow.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 9, 2008

Dear RK Da,

I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up motherland. It could

also indicate problems in graduation slab of education and even giving

up education at that time. Ketu would also give results of Saturn in

its dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could indicate

problems on marital front.

Chandrashekhar.

arkaydash wrote:

Chandrasekharji,

What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have alluded to Kapata Yoga

under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto constitutes saintly

disposition if I correctly remember your observation at this forum. The

sign in this case is Makara.

RK

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large house and also the

> possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth, necessarily. It

could

> also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon not aspecting

the th

> or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. It is more the

> Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate this tendency of

> showing off his religion.

>

> take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat + Moon in 4'th

house,

> > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as well as Mars

aspect

> > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the group for a

serious

> > discussion.

> >

> > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person fanatic and

> > barberic ?

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter in the

Lagna his

> > history

> > > does not suit the chart.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Group and Elders,

> > > >

> > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid Lahori

has given some

> > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u planetary

position at

the

> > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan and

his bad son

> > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to have an

> > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on -

> > > >

> > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of siblings.

> > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers.

> > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of Aurangjeb)

> > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds of

women in the

fort)

> > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance

> > > > 6. religious fanatism

> > > >

> > > > A ---> Aurangjeb

> > > >

> > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the time,

m not sure)

> > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.

> > > >

> > > > The details i have are as follows -

> > > >

> > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup

> > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> > > > 6h : Ketu

> > > > 7H : Mars

> > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> > > > 11H : Ven

> > > > 12: Rahu

> > > >

> > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> > > >

> > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth details,

any way

> > reproducing

> > > > his horoscope

> > > >

> > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> > > > 2H : Mars

> > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> > > > 8H: Moon

> > > > 10H : Ju

> > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> > > >

> > > > He did a revolt against Father in Rahu/Moon/Mars

but in

Sani/Rahu

> > All

> > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another Son).

> > > >

> > > > Will give more details tomorrow.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 11, 2008

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation slab, which is

neither higher education nor early education. Please tell.

Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my mind, not to

the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is not Aries and

Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce that, is it? The

reading on mother and domicile front may stick.

Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of Ketu as its

kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I will post the

chart soon.

RK

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear RK Da,

>

> I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up motherland. It could

> also indicate problems in graduation slab of education and even giving

> up education at that time. Ketu would also give results of Saturn in

its

> dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could indicate problems

> on marital front.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> arkaydash wrote:

> >

> > Chandrasekharji,

> > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have alluded to Kapata

Yoga

> > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto constitutes saintly

> > disposition if I correctly remember your observation at this forum.

The

> > sign in this case is Makara.

> > RK

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, Chandrashekhar

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large house and also the

> > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth, necessarily. It

could

> > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon not aspecting

the th

> > > or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. It is more the

> > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate this tendency

of

> > > showing off his religion.

> > >

> > > take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat + Moon in 4'th

house,

> > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as well as Mars

aspect

> > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the group for a

> > serious

> > > > discussion.

> > > >

> > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person fanatic and

> > > > barberic ?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter in the Lagna his

> > > > history

> > > > > does not suit the chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Group and Elders,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid Lahori has given

some

> > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u planetary position

at

> > the

> > > > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan and his bad son

> > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to have an

> > > > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of siblings.

> > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers.

> > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of Aurangjeb)

> > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds of women in the

> > fort)

> > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance

> > > > > > 6. religious fanatism

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the time, m not

sure)

> > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The details i have are as follows -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup

> > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> > > > > > 6h : Ketu

> > > > > > 7H : Mars

> > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> > > > > > 11H : Ven

> > > > > > 12: Rahu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth details, any way

> > > > reproducing

> > > > > > his horoscope

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> > > > > > 2H : Mars

> > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> > > > > > 8H: Moon

> > > > > > 10H : Ju

> > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in Rahu/Moon/Mars but in

> > Sani/Rahu

> > > > All

> > > > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another Son).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 11, 2008

Dear RK da,

I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for graduation

and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or higher

education. Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita

(written word) vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th

higher form of the acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in

with the current education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D.

only to get University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we

could look at it in the 4th bhava.

Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari dashas he

does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case happens to

be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives results of

Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give education , or progeny

depending on the person's age.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

arkaydash wrote:

Dear Chandrashekharji,

Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation slab, which is

neither higher education nor early education. Please tell.

Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my mind, not to

the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is not Aries and

Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce that, is it? The

reading on mother and domicile front may stick.

Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of Ketu as its

kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I will post the

chart soon.

RK

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear RK Da,

>

> I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up motherland. It

could

> also indicate problems in graduation slab of education and even

giving

> up education at that time. Ketu would also give results of Saturn

in

its

> dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could indicate

problems

> on marital front.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> arkaydash wrote:

> >

> > Chandrasekharji,

> > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have alluded to

Kapata

Yoga

> > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto constitutes

saintly

> > disposition if I correctly remember your observation at this

forum.

The

> > sign in this case is Makara.

> > RK

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large house

and also the

> > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth,

necessarily. It

could

> > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon not

aspecting

the th

> > > or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. It is

more the

> > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate this

tendency

of

> > > showing off his religion.

> > >

> > > take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat +

Moon in 4'th

house,

> > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as

well as Mars

aspect

> > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the

group for a

> > serious

> > > > discussion.

> > > >

> > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person

fanatic and

> > > > barberic ?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter

in the Lagna his

> > > > history

> > > > > does not suit the chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Group and Elders,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid

Lahori has given

some

> > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u

planetary position

at

> > the

> > > > > > time of various events. Presenting

Shahjahan and his bad son

> > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details

to have an

> > > > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of

siblings.

> > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers.

> > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of

Aurangjeb)

> > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping

hundreds of women in the

> > fort)

> > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance

> > > > > > 6. religious fanatism

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check

the time, m not

sure)

> > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The details i have are as follows -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup

> > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> > > > > > 6h : Ketu

> > > > > > 7H : Mars

> > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> > > > > > 11H : Ven

> > > > > > 12: Rahu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his

birth details, any way

> > > > reproducing

> > > > > > his horoscope

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> > > > > > 2H : Mars

> > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> > > > > > 8H: Moon

> > > > > > 10H : Ju

> > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in

Rahu/Moon/Mars but in

> > Sani/Rahu

> > > > All

> > > > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb

(another Son).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 12, 2008

Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,

I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is more

related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of the cases

when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if aspected by a

malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in writing good

stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.

Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th house is

occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my graduation,

whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.

5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education.

regards,

Lalit

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear RK da,

>

> I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for

graduation

> and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or higher

education.

> Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita (written

word)

> vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th higher form of

the

> acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in with the

current

> education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D. only to get

> University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we could

look at

> it in the 4th bhava.

>

> Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari dashas

he

> does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case

happens to

> be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives results of

> Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give education , or

progeny

> depending on the person's age.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> arkaydash wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation slab,

which is

> > neither higher education nor early education. Please tell.

> >

> > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my mind,

not to

> > the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is not Aries

and

> > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce that, is

it? The

> > reading on mother and domicile front may stick.

> >

> > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of Ketu as

its

> > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I will post

the

> > chart soon.

> >

> > RK

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RK Da,

> > >

> > > I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up motherland.

It could

> > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of education and

even giving

> > > up education at that time. Ketu would also give results of

Saturn in

> > its

> > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could indicate

problems

> > > on marital front.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > arkaydash wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrasekharji,

> > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have alluded to

Kapata

> > Yoga

> > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto constitutes

saintly

> > > > disposition if I correctly remember your observation at this

forum.

> > The

> > > > sign in this case is Makara.

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large house and

also the

> > > > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth,

necessarily. It

> > could

> > > > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon not

aspecting

> > the th

> > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. It is

more the

> > > > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate this

tendency

> > of

> > > > > showing off his religion.

> > > > >

> > > > > take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat + Moon in

4'th

> > house,

> > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as well as

Mars

> > aspect

> > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the group

for a

> > > > serious

> > > > > > discussion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person

fanatic and

> > > > > > barberic ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter in the

Lagna his

> > > > > > history

> > > > > > > does not suit the chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Group and Elders,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid Lahori has

given

> > some

> > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u planetary

position

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan and his

bad son

> > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to have an

> > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of siblings.

> > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers.

> > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of Aurangjeb)

> > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds of women

in the

> > > > fort)

> > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance

> > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the time, m

not

> > sure)

> > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The details i have are as follows -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup

> > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu

> > > > > > > > 7H : Mars

> > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> > > > > > > > 11H : Ven

> > > > > > > > 12: Rahu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth details,

any way

> > > > > > reproducing

> > > > > > > > his horoscope

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> > > > > > > > 2H : Mars

> > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> > > > > > > > 8H: Moon

> > > > > > > > 10H : Ju

> > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in Rahu/Moon/Mars but

in

> > > > Sani/Rahu

> > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another Son).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 12, 2008

Dear Lalit,

There is a difference between handwriting and Likhita vidya. It is only

in these days that even 3 year old are taught to write that too two

languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard most of the teaching

was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and so on. With time the

definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for getting Gyaan and so

on changes. I remember the times when those who had done Matriculation

were considered highly educated. These days it is not uncommon to see

even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even post graduates.

In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is in Papakartari and

its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the rasi of its enemy

Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha?

Think about this.

Chandrashekhar.

litsol wrote:

Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,

I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is more

related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of the cases

when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if aspected by a

malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in writing good

stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.

Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th house is

occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my graduation,

whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.

5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education.

regards,

Lalit

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear RK da,

>

> I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for

graduation

> and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or higher

education.

> Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita (written

word)

> vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th higher form of

the

> acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in with the

current

> education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D. only to get

> University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we could

look at

> it in the 4th bhava.

>

> Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari dashas

he

> does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case

happens to

> be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives results of

> Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give education , or

progeny

> depending on the person's age.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> arkaydash wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation

slab,

which is

> > neither higher education nor early education. Please tell.

> >

> > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my

mind,

not to

> > the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is not

Aries

and

> > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce that,

is

it? The

> > reading on mother and domicile front may stick.

> >

> > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of Ketu

as

its

> > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I will

post

the

> > chart soon.

> >

> > RK

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RK Da,

> > >

> > > I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up

motherland.

It could

> > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of education

and

even giving

> > > up education at that time. Ketu would also give results

of

Saturn in

> > its

> > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could

indicate

problems

> > > on marital front.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > arkaydash wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrasekharji,

> > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have

alluded to

Kapata

> > Yoga

> > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto

constitutes

saintly

> > > > disposition if I correctly remember your

observation at this

forum.

> > The

> > > > sign in this case is Makara.

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old

large house and

also the

> > > > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking

truth,

necessarily. It

> > could

> > > > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or

Moon not

aspecting

> > the th

> > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean

fanaticism. It is

more the

> > > > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes

indicate this

tendency

> > of

> > > > > showing off his religion.

> > > > >

> > > > > take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too

but Sat + Moon in

4'th

> > house,

> > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on

it, as well as

Mars

> > aspect

> > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the

chart in the group

for a

> > > > serious

> > > > > > discussion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make

a person

fanatic and

> > > > > > barberic ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and

Jupiter in the

Lagna his

> > > > > > history

> > > > > > > does not suit the chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Group and Elders,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla

Abdul Hamid Lahori has

given

> > some

> > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents,

they tell u planetary

position

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > time of various events.

Presenting Shahjahan and his

bad son

> > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available

horoscopic details to have an

> > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes,

focusing on -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and

oppression of siblings.

> > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their

fathers.

> > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in

case of Aurangjeb)

> > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women (

keeping hundreds of women

in the

> > > > fort)

> > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music

and dance

> > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna,

pls. check the time, m

not

> > sure)

> > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The details i have are as

follows -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup

> > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu

> > > > > > > > 7H : Mars

> > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> > > > > > > > 11H : Ven

> > > > > > > > 12: Rahu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note

down his birth details,

any way

> > > > > > reproducing

> > > > > > > > his horoscope

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> > > > > > > > 2H : Mars

> > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> > > > > > > > 8H: Moon

> > > > > > > > 10H : Ju

> > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father

in Rahu/Moon/Mars but

in

> > > > Sani/Rahu

> > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > his sons were killed by

Aurangjeb (another Son).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

June 13, 2008

Dear Sir,

Thanx for the views, Yes, I know my 4'th lord is afflicted but that

is afflicted there in 5'th, where this merc is present with Ketu and

again aspected by Saturn. So, if we compare the degree of

affliction, 5'th is more afflicted then the 4'th house.

So, my post graduation should not be better than the graduation, In

gradutation I got only 48.6% whereas in 10+2 (state edu),I got 83.6%

and in My Masters in Comp, I secured somewhat 75%.

I m of the opinion that 5'th and 5'th lord, merc, moon and ju and

gochara/dasha combo helps judging how'z the academic edu.

Our Group Member Saurabh has got Libra as lagna, Saturn + Ju + Rahu

+ Moon present in 11'th, During the Venus Dasa (present in lagna)

and Saturn Antardasa his study line after the 10+2 was broken and he

had to sit at home for almost 3 yrs, after that he did very good in

both B.Tech(electronix) and in M.Tech (VLSI), he came out with

flying colors. So, such a normalization sometimes doesnt give right

explanations, I agree tht these days mode of school edu is different

from that of our parent's age, So, we need to update our collective

knwledge with the help of Guru's like u and other elders.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> There is a difference between handwriting and Likhita vidya. It is

only

> in these days that even 3 year old are taught to write that too

two

> languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard most of the

teaching

> was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and so on. With time

the

> definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for getting Gyaan

and so

> on changes. I remember the times when those who had done

Matriculation

> were considered highly educated. These days it is not uncommon to

see

> even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even post graduates.

>

> In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is in Papakartari

and

> its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the rasi of its

enemy

> Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha?

>

> Think about this.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,

> >

> > I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is more

> > related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of the

cases

> > when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if aspected

by a

> > malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in writing

good

> > stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.

> >

> > Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th house is

> > occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my

graduation,

> > whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.

> >

> > 5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RK da,

> > >

> > > I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for

> > graduation

> > > and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or higher

> > education.

> > > Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita

(written

> > word)

> > > vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th higher form

of

> > the

> > > acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in with the

> > current

> > > education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D. only to

get

> > > University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we could

> > look at

> > > it in the 4th bhava.

> > >

> > > Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari

dashas

> > he

> > > does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case

> > happens to

> > > be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives results

of

> > > Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give education , or

> > progeny

> > > depending on the person's age.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > arkaydash wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation

slab,

> > which is

> > > > neither higher education nor early education. Please tell.

> > > >

> > > > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my

mind,

> > not to

> > > > the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is not

Aries

> > and

> > > > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce

that, is

> > it? The

> > > > reading on mother and domicile front may stick.

> > > >

> > > > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of Ketu

as

> > its

> > > > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I will

post

> > the

> > > > chart soon.

> > > >

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RK Da,

> > > > >

> > > > > I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up

motherland.

> > It could

> > > > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of education and

> > even giving

> > > > > up education at that time. Ketu would also give results of

> > Saturn in

> > > > its

> > > > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could

indicate

> > problems

> > > > > on marital front.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > arkaydash wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrasekharji,

> > > > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have alluded

to

> > Kapata

> > > > Yoga

> > > > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto constitutes

> > saintly

> > > > > > disposition if I correctly remember your observation at

this

> > forum.

> > > > The

> > > > > > sign in this case is Makara.

> > > > > > RK

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large house

and

> > also the

> > > > > > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth,

> > necessarily. It

> > > > could

> > > > > > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon not

> > aspecting

> > > > the th

> > > > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. It is

> > more the

> > > > > > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate this

> > tendency

> > > > of

> > > > > > > showing off his religion.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat +

Moon in

> > 4'th

> > > > house,

> > > > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as well

as

> > Mars

> > > > aspect

> > > > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the

group

> > for a

> > > > > > serious

> > > > > > > > discussion.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person

> > fanatic and

> > > > > > > > barberic ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter in the

> > Lagna his

> > > > > > > > history

> > > > > > > > > does not suit the chart.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Group and Elders,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid Lahori

has

> > given

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u planetary

> > position

> > > > at

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan and

his

> > bad son

> > > > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to have

an

> > > > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of siblings.

> > > > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers.

> > > > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of Aurangjeb)

> > > > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds of

women

> > in the

> > > > > > fort)

> > > > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance

> > > > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> > > > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the

time, m

> > not

> > > > sure)

> > > > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The details i have are as follows -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup

> > > > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> > > > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > 7H : Mars

> > > > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> > > > > > > > > > 11H : Ven

> > > > > > > > > > 12: Rahu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth

details,

> > any way

> > > > > > > > reproducing

> > > > > > > > > > his horoscope

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> > > > > > > > > > 2H : Mars

> > > > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > 8H: Moon

> > > > > > > > > > 10H : Ju

> > > > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in Rahu/Moon/Mars

but

> > in

> > > > > > Sani/Rahu

> > > > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another Son).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.

> > > > > > > > > >

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June 13, 2008

Dear Lalit,

Personally, I think affliction to both Bhava and Bhava lord is greater

than to mere a bhava. But that is a matter of opinion. In your case it

is easy to see that 2nd and 2nd lord both get aspect of Jupiter,

whereas in case of 4th the affliction is more severe and in case of 5th

the bhava is afflicted but not the Bhava lord. That Jupiter aspects

both the 2nd and the 4th meant that despite of affliction to 4th you

did not fail.

You have not commented on Saurabh's 2nd house and 2nd lord. His doing

well in higher education is supported by Jupiter and bhava lord

aspecting the 5tn. The 4th did not receive such support and hence the

break at graduation. But I may not be able to follow what you are

trying to say when you do not support 4th to be connected with

education.

Take care