Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Lalit, Left to themselves, Ju will be sattwik, Mercury rajasik and Saturn tamasik. However, Saturn is not as tamasik as Rahu, who has the epithet Tamah attributed to him -- the darksome. Saturn is called Manda, at most -- the slow, plodding one. Saturn and Rahu are said to be consanguine, with such a shade of difference. Now Mercury. He is rajasik, but not like Sun. Mc will be more sattwik than rajasik. And given lordship and tenancy, Jupiter can acquire several shades of rajah if not tamah. I think Chandrashekharji will shine further light on this. On to him, with respectful regards. RK Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <litsol wrote: > > Hello RK Daa, > > Thanx a lot for dissecting the AurangJeb's horoscope, i have cross > checked the birth details with Notable Horoscopes of Sri BV Raman, it > matches so there is no doubt on auhtenticity. > > My observation is any planet placed in lagna gives a drive to that > person, makes him bit assertive and if negatively aspected he dosn't > hesitate doing violence too, if 11'th is stronger and affliction to > moon/4'th/5'th/9'th etc. he can commit crime also. > > In his case, Ju's presence in lagna was confusing me but such a > placement is required to snatch the throne.We need to understand when > a planets make a person Satwika and when gives him position. In this > case Tamasik Saturn exposed his negativity to understand some net > astrologers who advocate and see Saturn behaving like Jupitor and > giving satwika attributes to a native. > > Astrologers should be able to visualize complete persona of a native, > that needs thorough understanding of the theory given in classics. > > Thanx for giving ur views. > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " arkaydash " > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekharji, Lalit, > > The chart of Aurangzeb is deceptively un-despostic -- hardly much > awry > > at first sight. That makes it an intersting case for study. What I > noted > > in the chart is the planets in Taurus (and in Leo). In exaltation is > > moon, and that is joined by Saturn, who is YK from moon lagna. Two > > principal lagna factors getting together and both strong in a > kendra. > > > > The clues to this austere despot lie scattered. > > > > Saturn+moon in an earth sign in 4th hse speaks of a conservative > who is > > stubborn. Together with Ju in Asc, it makes for strong conviction, a > > dedicated follower of his faith. > > > > Where are the hard edges? > > > > Ju and Mars association makes for (at least) a domineering person. > The > > clincher clue comes from hse 10. The lord goes to a fiery sign, the > > ruling sign Leo. (Mars and Ju in Leo are palnets to watch out for, > > irrepressible. ) And aspects own hse -- saamraajya. What were his > > doings. 10L going to 7H bespeaks clash. Mars transfers that to > Lagna > > via aspect. Ju in turn covers for Mars with its aspect. Not just > that. > > As 11L, it eggs Mars on. For Aqua Asc, Jup in lagna makes one > > greedy/acquisitive. His Deccan campaign. > > > > Killings: Moon is 6th lord. Puts the enemy (at) home. Ketu plugs > them > > (enemies) out. Mars raises the weapon. Rivals are INHERENTLY weak; > Sun > > in debility. Jupiter protects the Lagna. > > > > The austere, workful side: Budhaaditya yoga in 9th, which receives > the > > aspect of Jup. He was quite philosophical in his own way; had a > mind of > > his own all along. > > > > Ven in 11th powers his thirst. > > > > To round off, his 10th hse situation (EVEN if empty) helps us to > build > > up a picture that has impressed itself on history. Ketu in 6th seals > > victory as Mars engages him in face-offs of a whole range. > > > > RK > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Dear RK Da, I agree with your explanation about the nature of planets. That is why a bhava gets strength if it is aspected by its own lord, Jupiter or Mercury. The blanket classification of grahas as Tamasik and Satwik is a bit hazy as if the grahas were Tamasik, would we worship them? I think this is something that one must ask oneself. Again there is a third classification that is Rajasik, as you rightly pointed out. Where does this then fit in? As to Mercury, it gives results of the planet it conjoins. If conjunct a Papa graha it gives Papa result and when with Shubha graha or alone it gives shubha results. And we find Sun Satwik as well as Krura. I think it is time that astrologers look at these words more in depth. The expression Satwik, Tamasik and so on have many meanings, for example "Tamas" also means dark. So planets that are strong in night could also be called Tamasik. However as you have rightly said, when Tamograha is refered to, it is only Rahu and, in the opinion of some, also Ketu. This is because they can only be seen when they cover a luminary, remaining invisible till then. Again Satwik itself means Waxing Moon, Jupiter and Mercury. Yet Mercury is called Rajasik. So one should think deep before classifying planets in to two distinct camps namely Satwik and Tamasik. Regards, Chandrashekhar. arkaydash wrote: Lalit, Left to themselves, Ju will be sattwik, Mercury rajasik and Saturn tamasik. However, Saturn is not as tamasik as Rahu, who has the epithet Tamah attributed to him -- the darksome. Saturn is called Manda, at most -- the slow, plodding one. Saturn and Rahu are said to be consanguine, with such a shade of difference. Now Mercury. He is rajasik, but not like Sun. Mc will be more sattwik than rajasik. And given lordship and tenancy, Jupiter can acquire several shades of rajah if not tamah. I think Chandrashekharji will shine further light on this. On to him, with respectful regards. RK Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" <litsol wrote: > > Hello RK Daa, > > Thanx a lot for dissecting the AurangJeb's horoscope, i have cross > checked the birth details with Notable Horoscopes of Sri BV Raman, it > matches so there is no doubt on auhtenticity. > > My observation is any planet placed in lagna gives a drive to that > person, makes him bit assertive and if negatively aspected he dosn't > hesitate doing violence too, if 11'th is stronger and affliction to > moon/4'th/5'th/9'th etc. he can commit crime also. > > In his case, Ju's presence in lagna was confusing me but such a > placement is required to snatch the throne.We need to understand when > a planets make a person Satwika and when gives him position. In this > case Tamasik Saturn exposed his negativity to understand some net > astrologers who advocate and see Saturn behaving like Jupitor and > giving satwika attributes to a native. > > Astrologers should be able to visualize complete persona of a native, > that needs thorough understanding of the theory given in classics. > > Thanx for giving ur views. > > regards, > Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "arkaydash" > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > Chandrashekharji, Lalit, > > The chart of Aurangzeb is deceptively un-despostic -- hardly much > awry > > at first sight. That makes it an intersting case for study. What I > noted > > in the chart is the planets in Taurus (and in Leo). In exaltation is > > moon, and that is joined by Saturn, who is YK from moon lagna. Two > > principal lagna factors getting together and both strong in a > kendra. > > > > The clues to this austere despot lie scattered. > > > > Saturn+moon in an earth sign in 4th hse speaks of a conservative > who is > > stubborn. Together with Ju in Asc, it makes for strong conviction, a > > dedicated follower of his faith. > > > > Where are the hard edges? > > > > Ju and Mars association makes for (at least) a domineering person. > The > > clincher clue comes from hse 10. The lord goes to a fiery sign, the > > ruling sign Leo. (Mars and Ju in Leo are palnets to watch out for, > > irrepressible. ) And aspects own hse -- saamraajya. What were his > > doings. 10L going to 7H bespeaks clash. Mars transfers that to > Lagna > > via aspect. Ju in turn covers for Mars with its aspect. Not just > that. > > As 11L, it eggs Mars on. For Aqua Asc, Jup in lagna makes one > > greedy/acquisitive. His Deccan campaign. > > > > Killings: Moon is 6th lord. Puts the enemy (at) home. Ketu plugs > them > > (enemies) out. Mars raises the weapon. Rivals are INHERENTLY weak; > Sun > > in debility. Jupiter protects the Lagna. > > > > The austere, workful side: Budhaaditya yoga in 9th, which receives > the > > aspect of Jup. He was quite philosophical in his own way; had a > mind of > > his own all along. > > > > Ven in 11th powers his thirst. > > > > To round off, his 10th hse situation (EVEN if empty) helps us to > build > > up a picture that has impressed itself on history. Ketu in 6th seals > > victory as Mars engages him in face-offs of a whole range. > > > > RK > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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