ShahJahan and AurangJeb - AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji) a detour

June 13, 2008

Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and others,

Namaskar.

When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart where Guru is in makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha yuti in Meena.

The native is left-handed when writing, eating with implements like spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to using bare hands. The handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha 3rd lord? The 3rd house here is not aspected by a malefic; Native dislikes writing, even academic. Native has not done very well academically despite being very intelligent as he does no like even to write the answers in full but just enough to get him through.

Now coming to academic excellence and grades, in my chart my 4th bhava, Kanya, has Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in Meena, deb, with Ketu and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and Ketu occupy Karka, again to do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna is Rishaba( yuti dwiguru).

I have done extremely well in school, average in Intermediate and very well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I am now doing a Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so facscinated by the fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I mentioned earlier. I started off very,very well and nose-dived in the 2nd year. A lot to do with Gochara I suppose.

I also do well in abstract concepts and writing, not very good in science when it comes to grades. Even in Jyotish, I am helped more with intuitive stuff rather than mere astro concepts which is also why I hesitate to discuss charts (:

Love to have your inputs,

Nalini

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekharVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: ShahJahan and AurangJeb - AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji)

Dear Lalit,There is a difference between handwriting and Likhita vidya. It is only in these days that even 3 year old are taught to write that too two languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard most of the teaching was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and so on. With time the definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for getting Gyaan and so on changes. I remember the times when those who had done Matriculation were considered highly educated. These days it is not uncommon to see even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even post graduates.In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is in Papakartari and its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the rasi of its enemy Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha?Think about this.Chandrashekhar.litsol wrote:

Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is more related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of the cases when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if aspected by a malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in writing good stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th house is occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my graduation, whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har wrote:>> Dear RK da,>

> I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for graduation > and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or higher education. > Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita (written word) > vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th higher form of the > acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in with the current > education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D. only to get > University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we could look at > it in the 4th bhava.> > Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari dashas he > does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case happens to > be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives results of > Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give education , or progeny > depending on the

person's age.> > Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > arkaydash wrote:> >> >> > Dear Chandrashekharji,> >> > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation slab, which is> > neither higher education nor early education. Please tell.> >> > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my mind, not to> > the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is not Aries and> > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce that, is it? The> > reading on mother and domicile front may stick.> >> > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of Ketu as its> > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I will post the> > chart soon.> >> > RK> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar> > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear RK Da,> > >> > > I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up motherland. It could> > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of education and even giving> > > up education at that time. Ketu would also give results of Saturn in> > its> > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could indicate problems> > > on marital front.> >

>> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > arkaydash wrote:> > > >> > > > Chandrasekharji,> > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have alluded to Kapata> > Yoga> > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto constitutes saintly> > > > disposition if I correctly remember your observation at this forum.> > The> > > > sign in this case is Makara.> > > > RK> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>> > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, Chandrashekhar> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large house and also the> > > > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth, necessarily. It> > could> > > > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon not aspecting> > the th> > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. It is more the> > > > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate this tendency> > of> > > > >

showing off his religion.> > > > >> > > > > take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat + Moon in 4'th> > house,> > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as well as Mars> > aspect> > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the group for a> > > > serious> > > > > > discussion.> > > > > >> > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person fanatic and> > > > > > barberic ?> > > > > >> > > > >

> regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>> > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>> > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>,> > Chandrashekhar> >

> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter in the Lagna his> > > > > > history> > > > > > > does not suit the chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Group and Elders,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid Lahori has given> > some> > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u planetary position> >

at> > > > the> > > > > > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan and his bad son> > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to have an> > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on -> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of siblings.> > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers.> > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of Aurangjeb)> > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds of women in the> > > > fort)> > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance> > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618> > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the time, m not> > sure)> > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The details i have are as follows -> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup> > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon> > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu> > > > > > > > 7H : Mars> > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc> > > > > > > > 11H : Ven> > > > > > > > 12: Rahu> > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth details, any way> > > > > > reproducing> > > > > > > > his horoscope> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius> > > > > > > > 2H : Mars> > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu> > > > > > > > 8H: Moon> > > > > > > > 10H : Ju> > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in Rahu/Moon/Mars but in> > > > Sani/Rahu> > > > > > All> > > > > > > > his sons were killed by

Aurangjeb (another Son).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.

June 13, 2008

Dear Nalini,

I have, to this day, not been able to say with confidence if a person

will be left or right handed. A single chart or even 10 may not lead us

there. 3rd does represent the right hand and its weakness or that of

its lord could indicate the possibility of a person being left handed.

But it must remain a possibility as 3rd also represents brothers and

Parakrama.

I did not get the logic behind the reference to Guru in Makara. Does

that have to do with lagnesh in 11th? If so with Dhanu lagna I to have

Guru in the 11th but am right handed. If Shukra the 3rd lord is in

exaltation then it is the right hand that needs to be stronger than the

left. So this is certainly confusing. I can, to some extent, understand

the relation between Mercury ruling Communication being in debility

leading to the jataka being reluctant to write. Being 4th lord in

debility, having done not so well in education is also understandable.

I would take intermediate to be part of graduation since that indicates

college, as against secondary education represented by 2nd. Mercury

aspects its house of exaltation, both as bhava lord and as Budha

capable of strengthening the bhava. And yet you did not do well in

intermediate. According to many authorities ( not Parashara) Kanya is

owned by Rahu. So your passing graduation well though with some set

backs appears right. Your 5th lord goes to the 8th bhava and average

post graduate scores too seems to follow principles.

In my opinion, having done PG the additional graduation and PG that you

intend to undertake will have to be seen from 5th and the 9th bhava. As

to your having done extremely well in school do you remember any year

when you scored less than expected or when you had some problem

appearing at the exam.?

Do not confuse the academic scores with knowledge and intelligence.

Your Jupiter aspects the lagna so you do have good intellect to follow

Jyotish and complex sciences.

The reason one sometimes scores well and sometimes not, even if in

general the bhava appears strong or weak has to do with the dashas and

gochar simultaneously operating at the same time. They modify the

potential indicated by the chart.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

nalini swamy wrote:

Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and others,

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Namaskar.

When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart where Guru is in

makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha yuti in Meena.

The native is left-handed when writing, eating with implements

like spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to using bare hands.

The handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha 3rd lord? The 3rd

house here is not aspected by a malefic; Native dislikes writing, even

academic. Native has not done very well academically despite being very

intelligent as he does no like even to write the answers in full but

just enough to get him through.

Now coming toÂ academic excellence and grades, in my chart my 4th

bhava, Kanya, has Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in Meena, deb, with

Ketu and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and Ketu occupy Karka,

again to do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna is Rishaba( yuti

dwiguru).

I have done extremely well in school, average in Intermediate

and very well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I am now doing

a Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so facscinated by

the fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I mentioned earlier. I

started off very,very well and nose-dived in the 2nd year. A lot to do

with Gochara I suppose.

I also do well in abstract concepts and writing, not very good

in science when it comes to grades. Even in Jyotish, I am helped more

with intuitive stuff rather than mere astro concepts which is also why

I hesitate to discuss chartsÂ (:

Â

Love to have your inputs,

Â

Nalini

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Original Message ----

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AM

Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: ShahJahan and

AurangJeb - AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji)

Dear Lalit,

There is a difference between handwriting and Likhita vidya. It is only

in these days that even 3 year old are taught to write that too two

languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard most of the teaching

was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and so on. With time the

definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for getting Gyaan and so

on changes. I remember the times when those who had done Matriculation

were considered highly educated. These days it is not uncommon to see

even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even post graduates.

In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is in Papakartari and

its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the rasi of its enemy

Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha?

Think about this.

Chandrashekhar.

litsol wrote:

Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,

I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is more

related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of the cases

when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if aspected by a

malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in writing good

stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.

Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th house is

occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my graduation,

whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.

5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education.

regards,

Lalit

Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashek har wrote:

>

> Dear RK da,

>

> I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for

graduation

> and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or higher

education.

> Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita (written

word)

> vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th higher form of

the

> acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in with the

current

> education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D. only to get

> University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we could

look at

> it in the 4th bhava.

>

> Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari dashas

he

> does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case

happens to

> be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives results of

> Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give education , or

progeny

> depending on the person's age.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> arkaydash wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >

> > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation

slab,

which is

> > neither higher education nor early education. Please tell.

> >

> > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my

mind,

not to

> > the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is not

Aries

and

> > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce that,

is

it? The

> > reading on mother and domicile front may stick.

> >

> > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of Ketu

as

its

> > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I will

post

the

> > chart soon.

> >

> > RK

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com

> > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RK Da,

> > >

> > > I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up

motherland.

It could

> > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of education

and

even giving

> > > up education at that time. Ketu would also give results

of

Saturn in

> > its

> > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could

indicate

problems

> > > on marital front.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > arkaydash wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrasekharji,

> > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have

alluded to

Kapata

> > Yoga

> > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto

constitutes

saintly

> > > > disposition if I correctly remember your

observation at this

forum.

> > The

> > > > sign in this case is Makara.

> > > > RK

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com

> > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>

> > > > <vedicastrol

ogyandhealing% 40. com>,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old

large house and

also the

> > > > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking

truth,

necessarily. It

> > could

> > > > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or

Moon not

aspecting

> > the th

> > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean

fanaticism. It is

more the

> > > > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes

indicate this

tendency

> > of

> > > > > showing off his religion.

> > > > >

> > > > > take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too

but Sat + Moon in

4'th

> > house,

> > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on

it, as well as

Mars

> > aspect

> > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the

chart in the group

for a

> > > > serious

> > > > > > discussion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make

a person

fanatic and

> > > > > > barberic ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com

> > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>

> > > > <vedicastrol

ogyandhealing% 40. com>

> > > > > > <vedicastrol

ogyandhealing% 40. com>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and

Jupiter in the

Lagna his

> > > > > > history

> > > > > > > does not suit the chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Group and Elders,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla

Abdul Hamid Lahori has

given

> > some

> > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents,

they tell u planetary

position

> > at

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > time of various events.

Presenting Shahjahan and his

bad son

> > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available

horoscopic details to have an

> > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes,

focusing on -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and

oppression of siblings.

> > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their

fathers.

> > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in

case of Aurangjeb)

> > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women (

keeping hundreds of women

in the

> > > > fort)

> > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music

and dance

> > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna,

pls. check the time, m

not

> > sure)

> > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The details i have are as

follows -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup

> > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu

> > > > > > > > 7H : Mars

> > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> > > > > > > > 11H : Ven

> > > > > > > > 12: Rahu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note

down his birth details,

any way

> > > > > > reproducing

> > > > > > > > his horoscope

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> > > > > > > > 2H : Mars

> > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> > > > > > > > 8H: Moon

> > > > > > > > 10H : Ju

> > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father

in Rahu/Moon/Mars but

in

> > > > Sani/Rahu

> > > > > > All

> > > > > > > > his sons were killed by

Aurangjeb (another Son).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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June 15, 2008

Respected Chandrasekhar ji,

Namaksar.

Thank you for your thoughts.

I mentioned Guru in Makara lagna of the first chart as he is the deb 3rd lord.It is interesting that Guru is exalted in Navamsha.

Natal Chart

May 1, 1985Time: 0:30:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 78 E 28' 00", 17 N 23' 00" Hyderabad, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Krodhana - VaisakhaTithi: Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (69.67% left)Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)Nakshatra: Poorva Phalguni (Sk) (47.16% left)Yoga: Dhruva (Ke) (21.62% left)Karana: Vanija (Sk) (39.33% left)Hora Lord: Chandra (5 min sign: Kumbh)Mahakala Hora: Chandra (5 min sign: Kanya)Kaala Lord: Mangala (Mahakala: Mangala)

Sunrise: 5:54:34 (April 30)Sunset: 18:32:22 (April 30)Janma Ghatis: 46.4762

Ayanamsa: 23-39-07.82Sidereal Time: 14:48:30

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 9 Makar 50' 45.92" USha 4 Makar MeenSurya - MK 16 Mesh 44' 19.44" Bhar 2 Mesh KanyaChandra - AmK 20 Simh 22' 43.65" PPha 3 Simh TulaMangala - PK 9 Vrish 26' 56.80" Krit 4 Vrish MeenBudha - BK 19 Meen 59' 56.20" Reva 1 Meen DhanuGuru - AK 21 Makar 26'

21.55" Srav 4 Makar KarkSukra - PiK 12 Meen 58' 33.58" UBha 3 Meen TulaSani ® - DK 2 Vrisch 15' 14.52" Visa 4 Vrisch KarkRahu - GK 25 Mesh 10' 18.97" Bhar 4 Mesh VrischKetu 25 Tula 10' 18.97" Visa 2 Tula VrishMaandi 26 Tula 12' 50.55" Visa 2

Tula VrishGulika 16 Tula 28' 18.87" Swat 3 Tula KumbhBhava Lagna 24 Makar 50' 37.20" Dhan 1 Makar SimhHora Lagna 3 Vrisch 42' 02.54" Anu 1 Vrisch SimhGhati Lagna 0 Meen 16' 18.57" PBha 4 Meen KarkVighati Lagna 13 Tula 07' 38.73" Swat 2 Tula MakarVarnada Lagna 9 Simh 50'

45.92" Magh 3 Simh DhanuSree Lagna 20 Kark 04' 24.54" Asre 2 Kark MakarPranapada Lagna 13 Tula 52' 46.31" Swat 3 Tula KumbhIndu Lagna 20 Kanya 22' 43.65" Hast 4 Kanya KarkDhooma 0 Kanya 04' 19.44" UPha 2 Kanya MakarVyatipata 29 Tula 55' 40.56" Visa 3 Tula

MithParivesha 29 Mesh 55' 40.56" Krit 1 Mesh DhanuIndra Chapa 0 Meen 04' 19.44" PBha 4 Meen KarkUpaketu 16 Meen 44' 19.44" Reva 1 Meen DhanuKaala 4 Dhanu 35' 04.23" Mool 2 Dhanu VrishMrityu 16 Makar 47' 06.44" Srav 3 Makar MithArtha

Prahara 11 Kumbh 25' 02.78" Sata 2 Kumbh MakarYama Ghantaka 8 Meen 00' 28.50" UBha 2 Meen KanyaPrana Sphuta 5 Kanya 42' 08.49" UPha 3 Kanya KumbhDeha Sphuta 29 Vrisch 30' 08.09" Jye 4 Vrisch MeenMrityu Sphuta 12 Kumbh 02' 31.54" Sata 2 Kumbh MakarSookshma TriSphuta 17 Meen 14' 48.12" Reva 1 Meen

DhanuTriSphuta 16 Dhanu 41' 48.45" PSha 2 Dhanu KanyaChatusSphuta 3 Makar 26' 07.88" USha 3 Makar KumbhPanchaSphuta 28 Makar 36' 26.86" Dhan 2 Makar KanyaV2 9 Vrisch 50' 45.92" Anu 2 Vrisch KanyaV3 9 Dhanu 50' 45.92" Mool 3 Dhanu

DhanuV4 9 Meen 50' 45.92" UBha 2 Meen VrishV5 9 Mesh 50' 45.92" Aswi 3 Mesh MeshV6 9 Kark 50' 45.92" Push 2 Kark VrishV7 9 Simh 50' 45.92" Magh 3 Simh

DhanuV8 9 Vrisch 50' 45.92" Anu 2 Vrisch KanyaV9 9 Dhanu 50' 45.92" Mool 3 Dhanu DhanuV10 9 Meen 50' 45.92" UBha 2 Meen VrishV11 9 Mesh 50' 45.92" Aswi 3 Mesh MeshV12

9 Kark 50' 45.92" Push 2 Kark VrishKunda 17 Meen 31' 59.84" Reva 1 Meen Dhanu

+--------------+|Bu Sk |Sy Ra |Ma | ||GL | | | || | | | || | |

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| | || | | || | | ||-----------| Rasi |-----------||Lg Gu

| |Ch || | | || | | || |

| || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------|| |SaR HL |Ke Md |AL || | |Gk | || |

| | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+

I concur with your opinion that a chart has to be analysed in its entirety rather than few placements but was curious as this native is amphidextrous.

As for my chart, here again I go with your views as transits also play an important part for patterns changing and new ones emerging.

regards

Nalini Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekharVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Saturday, 14 June, 2008 6:02:27 AMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: ShahJahan and AurangJeb - AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji) a detour

Dear Nalini,I have, to this day, not been able to say with confidence if a person will be left or right handed. A single chart or even 10 may not lead us there. 3rd does represent the right hand and its weakness or that of its lord could indicate the possibility of a person being left handed. But it must remain a possibility as 3rd also represents brothers and Parakrama. I did not get the logic behind the reference to Guru in Makara. Does that have to do with lagnesh in 11th? If so with Dhanu lagna I to have Guru in the 11th but am right handed. If Shukra the 3rd lord is in exaltation then it is the right hand that needs to be stronger than the left. So this is certainly confusing. I can, to some extent, understand the relation between Mercury ruling Communication being in debility leading to the jataka being reluctant to write. Being 4th lord in debility, having done not so well in education is also understandable.I would take

intermediate to be part of graduation since that indicates college, as against secondary education represented by 2nd. Mercury aspects its house of exaltation, both as bhava lord and as Budha capable of strengthening the bhava. And yet you did not do well in intermediate. According to many authorities ( not Parashara) Kanya is owned by Rahu. So your passing graduation well though with some set backs appears right. Your 5th lord goes to the 8th bhava and average post graduate scores too seems to follow principles. In my opinion, having done PG the additional graduation and PG that you intend to undertake will have to be seen from 5th and the 9th bhava. As to your having done extremely well in school do you remember any year when you scored less than expected or when you had some problem appearing at the exam.?Do not confuse the academic scores with knowledge and intelligence. Your Jupiter aspects the lagna so you do have good intellect to

follow Jyotish and complex sciences. The reason one sometimes scores well and sometimes not, even if in general the bhava appears strong or weak has to do with the dashas and gochar simultaneously operating at the same time. They modify the potential indicated by the chart.Take care,Chandrashekhar.nalini swamy wrote:

Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and others,

Namaskar.

When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart where Guru is in makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha yuti in Meena.

The native is left-handed when writing, eating with implements like spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to using bare hands. The handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha 3rd lord? The 3rd house here is not aspected by a malefic; Native dislikes writing, even academic. Native has not done very well academically despite being very intelligent as he does no like even to write the answers in full but just enough to get him through.

Now coming to academic excellence and grades, in my chart my 4th bhava, Kanya, has Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in Meena, deb, with Ketu and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and Ketu occupy Karka, again to do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna is Rishaba( yuti dwiguru).

I have done extremely well in school, average in Intermediate and very well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I am now doing a Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so facscinated by the fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I mentioned earlier. I started off very,very well and nose-dived in the 2nd year. A lot to do with Gochara I suppose.

I also do well in abstract concepts and writing, not very good in science when it comes to grades. Even in Jyotish, I am helped more with intuitive stuff rather than mere astro concepts which is also why I hesitate to discuss charts (:

Love to have your inputs,

Nalini

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comFriday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: ShahJahan and AurangJeb - AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji)