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Dear Nalini,

Your 4th house is aspected by its lord. Strengthened. It is aspected by Mercury, not by any other planet. Stenghtened and imbued with Mc, right? Capable of quick learning. Mc in water sign. Intuitive.

My understaning is that 4th speaks of how learned one is. If it is in the care of its benefic lord and is by and large unsullied by malefic impact, learning is assured. If the care is with Mc, have no doubt. Mc as 4th lord ensures that the real wealth is his or her learning; other tangible assets will gravitate in the goodness of time via Mercury's prasaada (grants). As lagna lord in debility, Mc spells periods of concern; when there is a bad run of dasa etc, health may not remain unassailed. Your fluctuating academic performances have to be seen in the context of the then operating dasa and transit. Transit of the Big Two.

Third house has to do with dexeterity, manual. The act of writing & communication & retention (dhruti) thus also patience. Benefics there: a person writes a good hand. His patience does not run out.

The core vidya sthana is 4th house. With a strong, unalloyed 4th house, one cannot command vidya. Neither 5th, nor 9th can compensate. 5th is intelligence in the sense of discernement. 9th is the ability to process ideas, abstaract systems. 5th can make for shrewdness even, when loaded with strength from mixed kind (benefic and malefic). It gives ability to devise plans.

Well, 9th. Some other time.

RK

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , nalini swamy <nalini2818 wrote:>> Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and others,> Namaskar.> When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart where Guru is in makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha yuti in Meena.> The native is left-handed when writing, eating with implements like spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to using bare hands. The handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha 3rd lord? The 3rd house here is not aspected by a malefic; Native dislikes writing, even academic. Native has not done very well academically despite being very intelligent as he does no like even to write the answers in full but just enough to get him through. > Now coming to academic excellence and grades, in my chart my 4th bhava, Kanya, has Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in Meena, deb, with Ketu and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and Ketu occupy Karka, again to do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna is Rishaba( yuti dwiguru).> I have done extremely well in school, average in Intermediate and very well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I am now doing a Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so facscinated by the fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I mentioned earlier. I started off very,very well and nose-dived in the 2nd year. A lot to do with Gochara I suppose.> I also do well in abstract concepts and writing, not very good in science when it comes to grades. Even in Jyotish, I am helped more with intuitive stuff rather than mere astro concepts which is also why I hesitate to discuss charts (:> Love to have your inputs,> Nalini> >  > > > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AM> Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: ShahJahan and AurangJeb - AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji)> > > Dear Lalit,> > There is a difference between handwriting and Likhita vidya. It is only in these days that even 3 year old are taught to write that too two languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard most of the teaching was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and so on. With time the definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for getting Gyaan and so on changes. I remember the times when those who had done Matriculation were considered highly educated. These days it is not uncommon to see even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even post graduates.> > In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is in Papakartari and its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the rasi of its enemy Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha?> > Think about this.> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > litsol wrote: > Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,> > I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is more > related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of the cases > when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if aspected by a > malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in writing good > stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.> > Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th house is > occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my graduation, > whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.> > 5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education.> > regards,> Lalit> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:> >> > Dear RK da,> > > > I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for > graduation > > and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or higher > education. > > Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita (written > word) > > vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th higher form of > the > > acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in with the > current > > education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D. only to get > > University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we could > look at > > it in the 4th bhava.> > > > Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari dashas > he > > does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case > happens to > > be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives results of > > Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give education , or > progeny > > depending on the person's age.> > > > Regards,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > arkaydash wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Chandrashekharji,> > >> > > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation slab, > which is> > > neither higher education nor early education. Please tell.> > >> > > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my mind, > not to> > > the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is not Aries > and> > > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce that, is > it? The> > > reading on mother and domicile front may stick.> > >> > > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of Ketu as > its> > > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I will post > the> > > chart soon.> > >> > > RK> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, > Chandrashekhar> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear RK Da,> > > >> > > > I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up motherland. > It could> > > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of education and > even giving> > > > up education at that time. Ketu would also give results of > Saturn in> > > its> > > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could indicate > problems> > > > on marital front.> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > > arkaydash wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Chandrasekharji,> > > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have alluded to > Kapata> > > Yoga> > > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto constitutes > saintly> > > > > disposition if I correctly remember your observation at this > forum.> > > The> > > > > sign in this case is Makara.> > > > > RK> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>> > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, > Chandrashekhar> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large house and > also the> > > > > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth, > necessarily. It> > > could> > > > > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon not > aspecting> > > the th> > > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. It is > more the> > > > > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate this > tendency> > > of> > > > > > showing off his religion.> > > > > >> > > > > > take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat + Moon in > 4'th> > > house,> > > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as well as > Mars> > > aspect> > > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the group > for a> > > > > serious> > > > > > > discussion.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person > fanatic and> > > > > > > barberic ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>> > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>> > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>,> > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter in the > Lagna his> > > > > > > history> > > > > > > > does not suit the chart.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Group and Elders,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid Lahori has > given> > > some> > > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u planetary > position> > > at> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan and his > bad son> > > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to have an> > > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on -> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of siblings.> > > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers.> > > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of Aurangjeb)> > > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds of women > in the> > > > > fort)> > > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance> > > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618> > > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the time, m > not> > > sure)> > > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The details i have are as follows -> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup> > > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon> > > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu> > > > > > > > > 7H : Mars> > > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc> > > > > > > > > 11H : Ven> > > > > > > > > 12: Rahu> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth details, > any way> > > > > > > reproducing> > > > > > > > > his horoscope> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius> > > > > > > > > 2H : Mars> > > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu> > > > > > > > > 8H: Moon> > > > > > > > > 10H : Ju> > > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in Rahu/Moon/Mars but > in> > > > > Sani/Rahu> > > > > > > All> > > > > > > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another Son).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.>