(Related Q to Chandrashekarji) a detour - LeftHander/Right hander

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Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

 

Sir, I m happy to see that u are also now accepting that 3rd house

has a key role in determining if one is left hander or right hander,

When i noticed it and did write in the group, You simply rejected the

idea straightforwardly, have not been ready to even gising a second

thought, but today, narrating same thing. earlier, u said that 9'th

ruling the higher mind is a key in making one a left hander.

 

I have found -

 

1. If 3rd lord goes to 10'th, 90 - 95% of the cases person is left

hander.

 

2. If 3rd and 10'th are owned by same planet there are chances that

person can work with both the hands.

 

3. In 30 - 35 % of the cases of the left handers, I found there is no

direct relationship between 3rd and 10'th. 3rd lord was placed in

7'th/lagna or somewhere else.

 

We should explore it further, As i have not good collection of

horocopes with me, hardly some 500 - 600 horoscopes i do have, I

could not frame a rule.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

re

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Nalini,

>

> I have, to this day, not been able to say with confidence if a

person

> will be left or right handed. A single chart or even 10 may not

lead us

> there. 3rd does represent the right hand and its weakness or that

of its

> lord could indicate the possibility of a person being left handed.

But

> it must remain a possibility as 3rd also represents brothers and

Parakrama.

>

> I did not get the logic behind the reference to Guru in Makara.

Does

> that have to do with lagnesh in 11th? If so with Dhanu lagna I to

have

> Guru in the 11th but am right handed. If Shukra the 3rd lord is in

> exaltation then it is the right hand that needs to be stronger than

the

> left. So this is certainly confusing. I can, to some extent,

understand

> the relation between Mercury ruling Communication being in debility

> leading to the jataka being reluctant to write. Being 4th lord in

> debility, having done not so well in education is also

understandable.

>

> I would take intermediate to be part of graduation since that

indicates

> college, as against secondary education represented by 2nd. Mercury

> aspects its house of exaltation, both as bhava lord and as Budha

capable

> of strengthening the bhava. And yet you did not do well in

intermediate.

> According to many authorities ( not Parashara) Kanya is owned by

Rahu.

> So your passing graduation well though with some set backs appears

> right. Your 5th lord goes to the 8th bhava and average post

graduate

> scores too seems to follow principles.

>

> In my opinion, having done PG the additional graduation and PG that

you

> intend to undertake will have to be seen from 5th and the 9th

bhava. As

> to your having done extremely well in school do you remember any

year

> when you scored less than expected or when you had some problem

> appearing at the exam.?

>

> Do not confuse the academic scores with knowledge and intelligence.

Your

> Jupiter aspects the lagna so you do have good intellect to follow

> Jyotish and complex sciences.

>

> The reason one sometimes scores well and sometimes not, even if in

> general the bhava appears strong or weak has to do with the dashas

and

> gochar simultaneously operating at the same time. They modify the

> potential indicated by the chart.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> nalini swamy wrote:

> > Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and others,

> >

> > Namaskar.

> > When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart where Guru is in

> > makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha yuti in Meena.

> > The native is left-handed when writing, eating with implements

like

> > spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to using bare hands.

The

> > handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha 3rd lord? The

3rd

> > house here is not aspected by a malefic; Native dislikes writing,

even

> > academic. Native has not done very well academically despite

being

> > very intelligent as he does no like even to write the answers in

full

> > but just enough to get him through.

> > Now coming to academic excellence and grades, in my chart my 4th

> > bhava, Kanya, has Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in Meena, deb,

with

> > Ketu and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and Ketu occupy

Karka,

> > again to do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna is Rishaba(

yuti

> > dwiguru).

> > I have done extremely well in school, average in Intermediate and

very

> > well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I am now doing a

> > Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so facscinated

by the

> > fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I mentioned earlier.

I

> > started off very,very well and nose-dived in the 2nd year. A lot

to do

> > with Gochara I suppose.

> > I also do well in abstract concepts and writing, not very good in

> > science when it comes to grades. Even in Jyotish, I am helped

more

> > with intuitive stuff rather than mere astro concepts which is

also why

> > I hesitate to discuss charts (:

> >

> > Love to have your inputs,

> >

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> > //

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AM

> > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: ShahJahan and

AurangJeb -

> > AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji)

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > There is a difference between handwriting and Likhita vidya. It

is

> > only in these days that even 3 year old are taught to write that

too

> > two languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard most of the

> > teaching was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and so on.

With

> > time the definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for

getting

> > Gyaan and so on changes. I remember the times when those who had

done

> > Matriculation were considered highly educated. These days it is

not

> > uncommon to see even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even post

> > graduates.

> >

> > In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is in Papakartari

and

> > its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the rasi of its

enemy

> > Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha?

> >

> > Think about this.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > litsol wrote:

> >

> >> Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,

> >>

> >> I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is more

> >> related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of the

cases

> >> when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if aspected

by a

> >> malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in writing

good

> >> stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.

> >>

> >> Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th house is

> >> occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my

graduation,

> >> whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.

> >>

> >> 5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education.

> >>

> >> regards,

> >> Lalit

> >>

> >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> >> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear RK da,

> >> >

> >> > I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for

> >> graduation

> >> > and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or higher

> >> education.

> >> > Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita

(written

> >> word)

> >> > vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th higher form

of

> >> the

> >> > acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in with the

> >> current

> >> > education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D. only to

get

> >> > University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we could

> >> look at

> >> > it in the 4th bhava.

> >> >

> >> > Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari

dashas

> >> he

> >> > does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case

> >> happens to

> >> > be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives results

of

> >> > Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give education , or

> >> progeny

> >> > depending on the person's age.

> >> >

> >> > Regards,

> >> > Chandrashekhar.

> >> >

> >> > arkaydash wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation

slab,

> >> which is

> >> > > neither higher education nor early education. Please tell.

> >> > >

> >> > > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my

mind,

> >> not to

> >> > > the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is not

Aries

> >> and

> >> > > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce

that, is

> >> it? The

> >> > > reading on mother and domicile front may stick.

> >> > >

> >> > > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of Ketu

as

> >> its

> >> > > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I will

post

> >> the

> >> > > chart soon.

> >> > >

> >> > > RK

> >> > >

> >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>,

> >> Chandrashekhar

> >> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear RK Da,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up

motherland.

> >> It could

> >> > > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of education and

> >> even giving

> >> > > > up education at that time. Ketu would also give results of

> >> Saturn in

> >> > > its

> >> > > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could

indicate

> >> problems

> >> > > > on marital front.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > arkaydash wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Chandrasekharji,

> >> > > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have alluded

to

> >> Kapata

> >> > > Yoga

> >> > > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto constitutes

> >> saintly

> >> > > > > disposition if I correctly remember your observation at

this

> >> forum.

> >> > > The

> >> > > > > sign in this case is Makara.

> >> > > > > RK

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>

> >> > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>,

> >> Chandrashekhar

> >> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large house

and

> >> also the

> >> > > > > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth,

> >> necessarily. It

> >> > > could

> >> > > > > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon not

> >> aspecting

> >> > > the th

> >> > > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. It is

> >> more the

> >> > > > > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate this

> >> tendency

> >> > > of

> >> > > > > > showing off his religion.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > take care,

> >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > litsol wrote:

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat +

Moon in

> >> 4'th

> >> > > house,

> >> > > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as well

as

> >> Mars

> >> > > aspect

> >> > > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the

group

> >> for a

> >> > > > > serious

> >> > > > > > > discussion.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person

> >> fanatic and

> >> > > > > > > barberic ?

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > regards,

> >> > > > > > > Lalit.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>

> >> > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>

> >> > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40.

com>,

> >> > > Chandrashekhar

> >> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter in the

> >> Lagna his

> >> > > > > > > history

> >> > > > > > > > does not suit the chart.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Dear Group and Elders,

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid Lahori

has

> >> given

> >> > > some

> >> > > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u planetary

> >> position

> >> > > at

> >> > > > > the

> >> > > > > > > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan and

his

> >> bad son

> >> > > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to have

an

> >> > > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on -

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of siblings.

> >> > > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers.

> >> > > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of Aurangjeb)

> >> > > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds of

women

> >> in the

> >> > > > > fort)

> >> > > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance

> >> > > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> >> > > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the

time, m

> >> not

> >> > > sure)

> >> > > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > The details i have are as follows -

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup

> >> > > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> >> > > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu

> >> > > > > > > > > 7H : Mars

> >> > > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> >> > > > > > > > > 11H : Ven

> >> > > > > > > > > 12: Rahu

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth

details,

> >> any way

> >> > > > > > > reproducing

> >> > > > > > > > > his horoscope

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> >> > > > > > > > > 2H : Mars

> >> > > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> >> > > > > > > > > 8H: Moon

> >> > > > > > > > > 10H : Ju

> >> > > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in Rahu/Moon/Mars

but

> >> in

> >> > > > > Sani/Rahu

> >> > > > > > > All

> >> > > > > > > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another Son).

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > regards,

> >> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > http://au.messenger.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

Read my mail carefully. I have said it could also be Parakrama or

Brother that are affected. I have also said that I have not been able

to say whether one is left handed or right handed with confidence. That

is because I am not certain if that logic is right. I do not remember

having said that 9th indicates one being left handed. If I have said

so, in those many words, would you kindly give me the reference to what

I said? I think you know that I am not one who thinks that there is a

plus = minus answer in astrology, preferring to read each chart in its

entirety.

 

I am not able to follow how if in 90 to 95% of the cases 3rd lord going

to 10th, indicates left handed person and yet in 30 to 35% cases there

is no direct link between 3rd and 10th. Don't you think this is

contradictory. Or am I missing something there?

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

 

Sir, I m happy to see that u are also now accepting that 3rd house

has a key role in determining if one is left hander or right hander,

When i noticed it and did write in the group, You simply rejected the

idea straightforwardly, have not been ready to even gising a second

thought, but today, narrating same thing. earlier, u said that 9'th

ruling the higher mind is a key in making one a left hander.

 

I have found -

 

1. If 3rd lord goes to 10'th, 90 - 95% of the cases person is left

hander.

 

2. If 3rd and 10'th are owned by same planet there are chances that

person can work with both the hands.

 

3. In 30 - 35 % of the cases of the left handers, I found there is no

direct relationship between 3rd and 10'th. 3rd lord was placed in

7'th/lagna or somewhere else.

 

We should explore it further, As i have not good collection of

horocopes with me, hardly some 500 - 600 horoscopes i do have, I

could not frame a rule.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

re

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Nalini,

>

> I have, to this day, not been able to say with confidence if a

person

> will be left or right handed. A single chart or even 10 may not

lead us

> there. 3rd does represent the right hand and its weakness or that

of its

> lord could indicate the possibility of a person being left handed.

 

But

> it must remain a possibility as 3rd also represents brothers and

Parakrama.

>

> I did not get the logic behind the reference to Guru in Makara.

Does

> that have to do with lagnesh in 11th? If so with Dhanu lagna I to

have

> Guru in the 11th but am right handed. If Shukra the 3rd lord is in

 

> exaltation then it is the right hand that needs to be stronger

than

the

> left. So this is certainly confusing. I can, to some extent,

understand

> the relation between Mercury ruling Communication being in

debility

> leading to the jataka being reluctant to write. Being 4th lord in

> debility, having done not so well in education is also

understandable.

>

> I would take intermediate to be part of graduation since that

indicates

> college, as against secondary education represented by 2nd.

Mercury

> aspects its house of exaltation, both as bhava lord and as Budha

capable

> of strengthening the bhava. And yet you did not do well in

intermediate.

> According to many authorities ( not Parashara) Kanya is owned by

Rahu.

> So your passing graduation well though with some set backs appears

 

> right. Your 5th lord goes to the 8th bhava and average post

graduate

> scores too seems to follow principles.

>

> In my opinion, having done PG the additional graduation and PG

that

you

> intend to undertake will have to be seen from 5th and the 9th

bhava. As

> to your having done extremely well in school do you remember any

year

> when you scored less than expected or when you had some problem

> appearing at the exam.?

>

> Do not confuse the academic scores with knowledge and

intelligence.

Your

> Jupiter aspects the lagna so you do have good intellect to follow

> Jyotish and complex sciences.

>

> The reason one sometimes scores well and sometimes not, even if in

 

> general the bhava appears strong or weak has to do with the dashas

 

and

> gochar simultaneously operating at the same time. They modify the

> potential indicated by the chart.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> nalini swamy wrote:

> > Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and others,

> >

> > Namaskar.

> > When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart where Guru is

in

> > makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha yuti in

Meena.

> > The native is left-handed when writing, eating with

implements

like

> > spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to using bare

hands.

The

> > handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha 3rd lord?

The

3rd

> > house here is not aspected by a malefic; Native dislikes

writing,

even

> > academic. Native has not done very well academically despite

being

> > very intelligent as he does no like even to write the answers

in

full

> > but just enough to get him through.

> > Now coming to academic excellence and grades, in my chart my

4th

> > bhava, Kanya, has Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in Meena,

deb,

with

> > Ketu and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and Ketu occupy

Karka,

> > again to do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna is

Rishaba(

yuti

> > dwiguru).

> > I have done extremely well in school, average in Intermediate

and

very

> > well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I am now

doing a

> > Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so

facscinated

by the

> > fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I mentioned

earlier.

I

> > started off very,very well and nose-dived in the 2nd year. A

lot

to do

> > with Gochara I suppose.

> > I also do well in abstract concepts and writing, not very

good in

> > science when it comes to grades. Even in Jyotish, I am helped

 

more

> > with intuitive stuff rather than mere astro concepts which is

 

also why

> > I hesitate to discuss charts (:

> >

> > Love to have your inputs,

> >

> > Nalini

> >

> >

> > //

> >

> >

> >

> > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AM

> > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: ShahJahan

and

AurangJeb -

> > AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji)

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > There is a difference between handwriting and Likhita vidya.

It

is

> > only in these days that even 3 year old are taught to write

that

too

> > two languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard most of

the

> > teaching was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and so

on.

With

> > time the definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for

getting

> > Gyaan and so on changes. I remember the times when those who

had

done

> > Matriculation were considered highly educated. These days it

is

not

> > uncommon to see even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even

post

> > graduates.

> >

> > In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is in

Papakartari

and

> > its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the rasi of

its

enemy

> > Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha?

> >

> > Think about this.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > litsol wrote:

> >

> >> Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,

> >>

> >> I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is

more

> >> related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of

the

cases

> >> when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if

aspected

by a

> >> malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in

writing

good

> >> stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.

> >>

> >> Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th

house is

> >> occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my

graduation,

> >> whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.

> >>

> >> 5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education.

> >>

> >> regards,

> >> Lalit

> >>

> >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

 

Chandrashekhar

> >> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear RK da,

> >> >

> >> > I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level,

4th for

> >> graduation

> >> > and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral

or higher

> >> education.

> >> > Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th

Likhita

(written

> >> word)

> >> > vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th

higher form

of

> >> the

> >> > acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in

with the

> >> current

> >> > education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D.

only to

get

> >> > University scales and not for any worthwhile

research, we could

> >> look at

> >> > it in the 4th bhava.

> >> >

> >> > Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in

Vimshottari

dashas

> >> he

> >> > does give results like that of Mars who in the

instant case

> >> happens to

> >> > be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also

gives results

of

> >> > Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give

education , or

> >> progeny

> >> > depending on the person's age.

> >> >

> >> > Regards,

> >> > Chandrashekhar.

> >> >

> >> > arkaydash wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the

graduation

slab,

> >> which is

> >> > > neither higher education nor early education.

Please tell.

> >> > >

> >> > > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable

but to my

mind,

> >> not to

> >> > > the extent of replicating the lordship.

Besides, it is not

Aries

> >> and

> >> > > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we

can deduce

that, is

> >> it? The

> >> > > reading on mother and domicile front may stick.

> >> > >

> >> > > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship

result of Ketu

as

> >> its

> >> > > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall

chart. I will

post

> >> the

> >> > > chart soon.

> >> > >

> >> > > RK

> >> > >

> >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@

s.com

> >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>,

> >> Chandrashekhar

> >> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Dear RK Da,

> >> > > >

> >> > > > I could also indicate harm to mother or

giving up

motherland.

> >> It could

> >> > > > also indicate problems in graduation slab

of education and

> >> even giving

> >> > > > up education at that time. Ketu would also

give results of

> >> Saturn in

> >> > > its

> >> > > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th

lord could

indicate

> >> problems

> >> > > > on marital front.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > arkaydash wrote:

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Chandrasekharji,

> >> > > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th

hse? You have alluded

to

> >> Kapata

> >> > > Yoga

> >> > > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu

ipso facto constitutes

> >> saintly

> >> > > > > disposition if I correctly remember

your observation at

this

> >> forum.

> >> > > The

> >> > > > > sign in this case is Makara.

> >> > > > > RK

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com

> >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>

> >> > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>,

> >> Chandrashekhar

> >> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could

indicate an old large house

and

> >> also the

> >> > > > > > possibility of a tendency of not

speaking truth,

> >> necessarily. It

> >> > > could

> >> > > > > > also indicate a long lived

mother. Saturn or Moon not

> >> aspecting

> >> > > the th

> >> > > > > > or 9th I do not think this could

mean fanaticism. It is

> >> more the

> >> > > > > > Sun+mars combination that could

sometimes indicate this

> >> tendency

> >> > > of

> >> > > > > > showing off his religion.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > take care,

> >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > litsol wrote:

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Jupitor's presence has

confused me too but Sat +

Moon in

> >> 4'th

> >> > > house,

> >> > > > > > > and Jup affliction by

Saturn's aspect on it, as well

as

> >> Mars

> >> > > aspect

> >> > > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts

to put the chart in the

group

> >> for a

> >> > > > > serious

> >> > > > > > > discussion.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in

4'th house make a person

> >> fanatic and

> >> > > > > > > barberic ?

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > regards,

> >> > > > > > > Lalit.

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com

> >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>

> >> > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>

> >> > > > > > > <vedicastrol

ogyandhealing% 40.

com>,

> >> > > Chandrashekhar

> >> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@

wrote:

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Check your source.

With Aquarius and Jupiter in the

> >> Lagna his

> >> > > > > > > history

> >> > > > > > > > does not suit the

chart.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Dear Group and

Elders,

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama,

author Mulla Abdul Hamid Lahori

has

> >> given

> >> > > some

> >> > > > > > > > > unorganised astro

contents, they tell u planetary

> >> position

> >> > > at

> >> > > > > the

> >> > > > > > > > > time of various

events. Presenting Shahjahan and

his

> >> bad son

> >> > > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's

available horoscopic details to have

an

> >> > > > > > > > > study of their

horoscopes, focusing on -

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > 1. massive

killing and oppression of siblings.

> >> > > > > > > > > 2. enimical

behavior with their fathers.

> >> > > > > > > > > 3. barbaric

nature (more in case of Aurangjeb)

> >> > > > > > > > > 4. exploitation

of women ( keeping hundreds of

women

> >> in the

> >> > > > > fort)

> >> > > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's

hate for music and dance

> >> > > > > > > > > 6. religious

fanatism

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > A --->

Aurangjeb

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> >> > > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05

(Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the

time, m

> >> not

> >> > > sure)

> >> > > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere

in Gujrat.

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > The details i

have are as follows -

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius

- Jup

> >> > > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> >> > > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu

> >> > > > > > > > > 7H : Mars

> >> > > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> >> > > > > > > > > 11H : Ven

> >> > > > > > > > > 12: Rahu

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Oh my god, i

forgot to note down his birth

details,

> >> any way

> >> > > > > > > reproducing

> >> > > > > > > > > his horoscope

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> >> > > > > > > > > 2H : Mars

> >> > > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> >> > > > > > > > > 8H: Moon

> >> > > > > > > > > 10H : Ju

> >> > > > > > > > > 11H : Sun +

Ketu+Merc+Venus

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > He did a revolt

against Father in Rahu/Moon/Mars

but

> >> in

> >> > > > > Sani/Rahu

> >> > > > > > > All

> >> > > > > > > > > his sons were

killed by Aurangjeb (another Son).

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > Will give more

details tomorrow.

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > > regards,

> >> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > > >

> >> > > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > >

> >> > > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> >

> >>

> >

> > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > http://au.messenger.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

Almost in every bhava, there are dozens of significations, but we are

able to judge which signification is going to manifest vehemently,

likewise, if we explore further the cases of left handers, we can

check if this is going to get triggered in native's life or not,

what's required is right direction of the efforts.

 

I m sorry, I was not able to put the statistic neatly, which goes

like this :

 

a. if 3rd lord is placed in 10'th, 90% - 95% of the people found left

handed in the given set of sample data.

 

b. 30% to 35 % of the people of the sample data, 3'rd lord is not

placed in 10'th, it's placed elsewhere (majorly in 7'th or lagna),

still they are left handers.

 

May be i noticed only placement, there should be several other cases

in pros and cons.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Read my mail carefully. I have said it could also be Parakrama or

> Brother that are affected. I have also said that I have not been

able to

> say whether one is left handed or right handed with confidence.

That is

> because I am not certain if that logic is right. I do not remember

> having said that 9th indicates one being left handed. If I have

said so,

> in those many words, would you kindly give me the reference to what

I

> said? I think you know that I am not one who thinks that there is a

plus

> = minus answer in astrology, preferring to read each chart in its

entirety.

>

> I am not able to follow how if in 90 to 95% of the cases 3rd lord

going

> to 10th, indicates left handed person and yet in 30 to 35% cases

there

> is no direct link between 3rd and 10th. Don't you think this is

> contradictory. Or am I missing something there?

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> >

> > Sir, I m happy to see that u are also now accepting that 3rd house

> > has a key role in determining if one is left hander or right

hander,

> > When i noticed it and did write in the group, You simply rejected

the

> > idea straightforwardly, have not been ready to even gising a

second

> > thought, but today, narrating same thing. earlier, u said that

9'th

> > ruling the higher mind is a key in making one a left hander.

> >

> > I have found -

> >

> > 1. If 3rd lord goes to 10'th, 90 - 95% of the cases person is left

> > hander.

> >

> > 2. If 3rd and 10'th are owned by same planet there are chances

that

> > person can work with both the hands.

> >

> > 3. In 30 - 35 % of the cases of the left handers, I found there

is no

> > direct relationship between 3rd and 10'th. 3rd lord was placed in

> > 7'th/lagna or somewhere else.

> >

> > We should explore it further, As i have not good collection of

> > horocopes with me, hardly some 500 - 600 horoscopes i do have, I

> > could not frame a rule.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > re

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nalini,

> > >

> > > I have, to this day, not been able to say with confidence if a

> > person

> > > will be left or right handed. A single chart or even 10 may not

> > lead us

> > > there. 3rd does represent the right hand and its weakness or

that

> > of its

> > > lord could indicate the possibility of a person being left

handed.

> > But

> > > it must remain a possibility as 3rd also represents brothers and

> > Parakrama.

> > >

> > > I did not get the logic behind the reference to Guru in Makara.

> > Does

> > > that have to do with lagnesh in 11th? If so with Dhanu lagna I

to

> > have

> > > Guru in the 11th but am right handed. If Shukra the 3rd lord is

in

> > > exaltation then it is the right hand that needs to be stronger

than

> > the

> > > left. So this is certainly confusing. I can, to some extent,

> > understand

> > > the relation between Mercury ruling Communication being in

debility

> > > leading to the jataka being reluctant to write. Being 4th lord

in

> > > debility, having done not so well in education is also

> > understandable.

> > >

> > > I would take intermediate to be part of graduation since that

> > indicates

> > > college, as against secondary education represented by 2nd.

Mercury

> > > aspects its house of exaltation, both as bhava lord and as Budha

> > capable

> > > of strengthening the bhava. And yet you did not do well in

> > intermediate.

> > > According to many authorities ( not Parashara) Kanya is owned by

> > Rahu.

> > > So your passing graduation well though with some set backs

appears

> > > right. Your 5th lord goes to the 8th bhava and average post

> > graduate

> > > scores too seems to follow principles.

> > >

> > > In my opinion, having done PG the additional graduation and PG

that

> > you

> > > intend to undertake will have to be seen from 5th and the 9th

> > bhava. As

> > > to your having done extremely well in school do you remember any

> > year

> > > when you scored less than expected or when you had some problem

> > > appearing at the exam.?

> > >

> > > Do not confuse the academic scores with knowledge and

intelligence.

> > Your

> > > Jupiter aspects the lagna so you do have good intellect to

follow

> > > Jyotish and complex sciences.

> > >

> > > The reason one sometimes scores well and sometimes not, even if

in

> > > general the bhava appears strong or weak has to do with the

dashas

> > and

> > > gochar simultaneously operating at the same time. They modify

the

> > > potential indicated by the chart.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > nalini swamy wrote:

> > > > Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and others,

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar.

> > > > When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart where Guru is

in

> > > > makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha yuti in

Meena.

> > > > The native is left-handed when writing, eating with implements

> > like

> > > > spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to using bare

hands.

> > The

> > > > handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha 3rd lord? The

> > 3rd

> > > > house here is not aspected by a malefic; Native dislikes

writing,

> > even

> > > > academic. Native has not done very well academically despite

> > being

> > > > very intelligent as he does no like even to write the answers

in

> > full

> > > > but just enough to get him through.

> > > > Now coming to academic excellence and grades, in my chart my

4th

> > > > bhava, Kanya, has Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in Meena, deb,

> > with

> > > > Ketu and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and Ketu occupy

> > Karka,

> > > > again to do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna is Rishaba(

> > yuti

> > > > dwiguru).

> > > > I have done extremely well in school, average in Intermediate

and

> > very

> > > > well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I am now

doing a

> > > > Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so

facscinated

> > by the

> > > > fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I mentioned

earlier.

> > I

> > > > started off very,very well and nose-dived in the 2nd year. A

lot

> > to do

> > > > with Gochara I suppose.

> > > > I also do well in abstract concepts and writing, not very

good in

> > > > science when it comes to grades. Even in Jyotish, I am helped

> > more

> > > > with intuitive stuff rather than mere astro concepts which is

> > also why

> > > > I hesitate to discuss charts (:

> > > >

> > > > Love to have your inputs,

> > > >

> > > > Nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > //

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AM

> > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: ShahJahan and

> > AurangJeb -

> > > > AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > There is a difference between handwriting and Likhita vidya.

It

> > is

> > > > only in these days that even 3 year old are taught to write

that

> > too

> > > > two languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard most of

the

> > > > teaching was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and so on.

> > With

> > > > time the definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for

> > getting

> > > > Gyaan and so on changes. I remember the times when those who

had

> > done

> > > > Matriculation were considered highly educated. These days it

is

> > not

> > > > uncommon to see even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even

post

> > > > graduates.

> > > >

> > > > In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is in

Papakartari

> > and

> > > > its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the rasi of

its

> > enemy

> > > > Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha?

> > > >

> > > > Think about this.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > >> Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,

> > > >>

> > > >> I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is

more

> > > >> related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of the

> > cases

> > > >> when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if

aspected

> > by a

> > > >> malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in

writing

> > good

> > > >> stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.

> > > >>

> > > >> Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th house is

> > > >> occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my

> > graduation,

> > > >> whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.

> > > >>

> > > >> 5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education.

> > > >>

> > > >> regards,

> > > >> Lalit

> > > >>

> > > >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > >> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear RK da,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for

> > > >> graduation

> > > >> > and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or

higher

> > > >> education.

> > > >> > Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita

> > (written

> > > >> word)

> > > >> > vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th higher

form

> > of

> > > >> the

> > > >> > acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in with the

> > > >> current

> > > >> > education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D. only

to

> > get

> > > >> > University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we

could

> > > >> look at

> > > >> > it in the 4th bhava.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari

> > dashas

> > > >> he

> > > >> > does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case

> > > >> happens to

> > > >> > be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives

results

> > of

> > > >> > Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give

education , or

> > > >> progeny

> > > >> > depending on the person's age.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Regards,

> > > >> > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > arkaydash wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation

> > slab,

> > > >> which is

> > > >> > > neither higher education nor early education. Please

tell.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my

> > mind,

> > > >> not to

> > > >> > > the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is

not

> > Aries

> > > >> and

> > > >> > > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce

> > that, is

> > > >> it? The

> > > >> > > reading on mother and domicile front may stick.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of

Ketu

> > as

> > > >> its

> > > >> > > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I

will

> > post

> > > >> the

> > > >> > > chart soon.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > RK

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>,

> > > >> Chandrashekhar

> > > >> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Dear RK Da,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up

> > motherland.

> > > >> It could

> > > >> > > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of education

and

> > > >> even giving

> > > >> > > > up education at that time. Ketu would also give

results of

> > > >> Saturn in

> > > >> > > its

> > > >> > > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could

> > indicate

> > > >> problems

> > > >> > > > on marital front.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > arkaydash wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Chandrasekharji,

> > > >> > > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have

alluded

> > to

> > > >> Kapata

> > > >> > > Yoga

> > > >> > > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto

constitutes

> > > >> saintly

> > > >> > > > > disposition if I correctly remember your observation

at

> > this

> > > >> forum.

> > > >> > > The

> > > >> > > > > sign in this case is Makara.

> > > >> > > > > RK

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>

> > > >> > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40.

com>,

> > > >> Chandrashekhar

> > > >> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large

house

> > and

> > > >> also the

> > > >> > > > > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth,

> > > >> necessarily. It

> > > >> > > could

> > > >> > > > > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon

not

> > > >> aspecting

> > > >> > > the th

> > > >> > > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism.

It is

> > > >> more the

> > > >> > > > > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate

this

> > > >> tendency

> > > >> > > of

> > > >> > > > > > showing off his religion.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > take care,

> > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat +

> > Moon in

> > > >> 4'th

> > > >> > > house,

> > > >> > > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as

well

> > as

> > > >> Mars

> > > >> > > aspect

> > > >> > > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the

> > group

> > > >> for a

> > > >> > > > > serious

> > > >> > > > > > > discussion.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person

> > > >> fanatic and

> > > >> > > > > > > barberic ?

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>

> > > >> > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40.

com>

> > > >> > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40.

> > com>,

> > > >> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter

in the

> > > >> Lagna his

> > > >> > > > > > > history

> > > >> > > > > > > > does not suit the chart.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Group and Elders,

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid

Lahori

> > has

> > > >> given

> > > >> > > some

> > > >> > > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u

planetary

> > > >> position

> > > >> > > at

> > > >> > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan

and

> > his

> > > >> bad son

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to

have

> > an

> > > >> > > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on -

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of

siblings.

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers.

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of

Aurangjeb)

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds

of

> > women

> > > >> in the

> > > >> > > > > fort)

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the

> > time, m

> > > >> not

> > > >> > > sure)

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > The details i have are as follows -

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 7H : Mars

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 11H : Ven

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 12: Rahu

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth

> > details,

> > > >> any way

> > > >> > > > > > > reproducing

> > > >> > > > > > > > > his horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 2H : Mars

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 8H: Moon

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 10H : Ju

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in

Rahu/Moon/Mars

> > but

> > > >> in

> > > >> > > > > Sani/Rahu

> > > >> > > > > > > All

> > > >> > > > > > > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another

Son).

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> >

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > > Send instant messages to your online friends

> > > > http://au.messenger. <http://au.messenger.>

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

If you want to delve deeper into this analysis of what leads one person

to be left handed, I would suggest to look at the dreshkana to gauge if

hands are really going to come into prominence, with regard to 3rd

bhava. Also look at the 11th bhava.

 

I am old fashioned practitioner of the science who wants to find

something that the jataka does not know is going to happen and not what

he already knows, barring for the purposes of confirming the lagna. But

I must say this is a good exercise to understand the underlying

principles of astrology. Keep it up.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

litsol wrote:

 

 

Dear Sir,

 

Almost in every bhava, there are dozens of significations, but we are

able to judge which signification is going to manifest vehemently,

likewise, if we explore further the cases of left handers, we can

check if this is going to get triggered in native's life or not,

what's required is right direction of the efforts.

 

I m sorry, I was not able to put the statistic neatly, which goes

like this :

 

a. if 3rd lord is placed in 10'th, 90% - 95% of the people found left

handed in the given set of sample data.

 

b. 30% to 35 % of the people of the sample data, 3'rd lord is not

placed in 10'th, it's placed elsewhere (majorly in 7'th or lagna),

still they are left handers.

 

May be i noticed only placement, there should be several other cases

in pros and cons.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

Chandrashekhar

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Read my mail carefully. I have said it could also be Parakrama or

> Brother that are affected. I have also said that I have not been

able to

> say whether one is left handed or right handed with confidence.

That is

> because I am not certain if that logic is right. I do not remember

 

> having said that 9th indicates one being left handed. If I have

said so,

> in those many words, would you kindly give me the reference to

what

I

> said? I think you know that I am not one who thinks that there is

a

plus

> = minus answer in astrology, preferring to read each chart in its

entirety.

>

> I am not able to follow how if in 90 to 95% of the cases 3rd lord

going

> to 10th, indicates left handed person and yet in 30 to 35% cases

there

> is no direct link between 3rd and 10th. Don't you think this is

> contradictory. Or am I missing something there?

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar

>

> litsol wrote:

> >

> > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> >

> > Sir, I m happy to see that u are also now accepting that 3rd

house

> > has a key role in determining if one is left hander or right

hander,

> > When i noticed it and did write in the group, You simply

rejected

the

> > idea straightforwardly, have not been ready to even gising a

second

> > thought, but today, narrating same thing. earlier, u said

that

9'th

> > ruling the higher mind is a key in making one a left hander.

> >

> > I have found -

> >

> > 1. If 3rd lord goes to 10'th, 90 - 95% of the cases person is

left

> > hander.

> >

> > 2. If 3rd and 10'th are owned by same planet there are

chances

that

> > person can work with both the hands.

> >

> > 3. In 30 - 35 % of the cases of the left handers, I found

there

is no

> > direct relationship between 3rd and 10'th. 3rd lord was

placed in

> > 7'th/lagna or somewhere else.

> >

> > We should explore it further, As i have not good collection of

> > horocopes with me, hardly some 500 - 600 horoscopes i do

have, I

> > could not frame a rule.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > re

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

 

Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nalini,

> > >

> > > I have, to this day, not been able to say with

confidence if a

> > person

> > > will be left or right handed. A single chart or even 10

may not

> > lead us

> > > there. 3rd does represent the right hand and its

weakness or

that

> > of its

> > > lord could indicate the possibility of a person being

left

handed.

> > But

> > > it must remain a possibility as 3rd also represents

brothers and

> > Parakrama.

> > >

> > > I did not get the logic behind the reference to Guru in

Makara.

> > Does

> > > that have to do with lagnesh in 11th? If so with Dhanu

lagna I

to

> > have

> > > Guru in the 11th but am right handed. If Shukra the 3rd

lord is

in

> > > exaltation then it is the right hand that needs to be

stronger

than

> > the

> > > left. So this is certainly confusing. I can, to some

extent,

> > understand

> > > the relation between Mercury ruling Communication being

in

debility

> > > leading to the jataka being reluctant to write. Being

4th lord

in

> > > debility, having done not so well in education is also

> > understandable.

> > >

> > > I would take intermediate to be part of graduation since

that

> > indicates

> > > college, as against secondary education represented by

2nd.

Mercury

> > > aspects its house of exaltation, both as bhava lord and

as Budha

> > capable

> > > of strengthening the bhava. And yet you did not do well

in

> > intermediate.

> > > According to many authorities ( not Parashara) Kanya is

owned by

> > Rahu.

> > > So your passing graduation well though with some set

backs

appears

> > > right. Your 5th lord goes to the 8th bhava and average

post

> > graduate

> > > scores too seems to follow principles.

> > >

> > > In my opinion, having done PG the additional graduation

and PG

that

> > you

> > > intend to undertake will have to be seen from 5th and

the 9th

> > bhava. As

> > > to your having done extremely well in school do you

remember any

> > year

> > > when you scored less than expected or when you had some

problem

> > > appearing at the exam.?

> > >

> > > Do not confuse the academic scores with knowledge and

intelligence.

> > Your

> > > Jupiter aspects the lagna so you do have good intellect

to

follow

> > > Jyotish and complex sciences.

> > >

> > > The reason one sometimes scores well and sometimes not,

even if

in

> > > general the bhava appears strong or weak has to do with

the

dashas

> > and

> > > gochar simultaneously operating at the same time. They

modify

the

> > > potential indicated by the chart.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > nalini swamy wrote:

> > > > Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and

others,

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar.

> > > > When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart

where Guru is

in

> > > > makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha

yuti in

Meena.

> > > > The native is left-handed when writing, eating with

implements

> > like

> > > > spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to

using bare

hands.

> > The

> > > > handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha

3rd lord? The

> > 3rd

> > > > house here is not aspected by a malefic; Native

dislikes

writing,

> > even

> > > > academic. Native has not done very well

academically despite

> > being

> > > > very intelligent as he does no like even to write

the answers

in

> > full

> > > > but just enough to get him through.

> > > > Now coming to academic excellence and grades, in my

chart my

4th

> > > > bhava, Kanya, has Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in

Meena, deb,

> > with

> > > > Ketu and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and

Ketu occupy

> > Karka,

> > > > again to do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna

is Rishaba(

> > yuti

> > > > dwiguru).

> > > > I have done extremely well in school, average in

Intermediate

and

> > very

> > > > well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I

am now

doing a

> > > > Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so

 

facscinated

> > by the

> > > > fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I

mentioned

earlier.

> > I

> > > > started off very,very well and nose-dived in the

2nd year. A

lot

> > to do

> > > > with Gochara I suppose.

> > > > I also do well in abstract concepts and writing,

not very

good in

> > > > science when it comes to grades. Even in Jyotish, I

am helped

> > more

> > > > with intuitive stuff rather than mere astro

concepts which is

> > also why

> > > > I hesitate to discuss charts (:

> > > >

> > > > Love to have your inputs,

> > > >

> > > > Nalini

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > //

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

 

> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > > Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AM

> > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

ShahJahan and

> > AurangJeb -

> > > > AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > There is a difference between handwriting and

Likhita vidya.

It

> > is

> > > > only in these days that even 3 year old are taught

to write

that

> > too

> > > > two languages. Earlier till one attained 1st

standard most of

the

> > > > teaching was by making one memorize tables, shlokas

and so on.

> > With

> > > > time the definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita,

learnt for

> > getting

> > > > Gyaan and so on changes. I remember the times when

those who

had

> > done

> > > > Matriculation were considered highly educated.

These days it

is

> > not

> > > > uncommon to see even rickshaw-wallas being

graduates or even

post

> > > > graduates.

> > > >

> > > > In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is

in

Papakartari

> > and

> > > > its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the

rasi of

its

> > enemy

> > > > Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha?

> > > >

> > > > Think about this.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > litsol wrote:

> > > >

> > > >> Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,

> > > >>

> > > >> I find it's important to mention that lekhan

(writing) is

more

> > > >> related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen

dozens of the

> > cases

> > > >> when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case)

and if

aspected

> > by a

> > > >> malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only

poor in

writing

> > good

> > > >> stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.

> > > >>

> > > >> Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my

4'th house is

> > > >> occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very

bad in my

> > graduation,

> > > >> whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.

> > > >>

> > > >> 5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of

education.

> > > >>

> > > >> regards,

> > > >> Lalit

> > > >>

> > > >> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@

s.com

> > > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > >> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear RK da,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > I look to 2nd for education up to

secondary level, 4th for

> > > >> graduation

> > > >> > and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the

Doctoral or

higher

> > > >> education.

> > > >> > Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal)

Vidya, 4th Likhita

> > (written

> > > >> word)

> > > >> > vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge

and 9th higher

form

> > of

> > > >> the

> > > >> > acquired knowledge. However we have to fit

this in with the

> > > >> current

> > > >> > education pattern. May be if a person is

doing Ph.D. only

to

> > get

> > > >> > University scales and not for any

worthwhile research, we

could

> > > >> look at

> > > >> > it in the 4th bhava.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas,

but in Vimshottari

> > dashas

> > > >> he

> > > >> > does give results like that of Mars who in

the instant case

> > > >> happens to

> > > >> > be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since

it also gives

results

> > of

> > > >> > Saturn, depending on transits, it can also

give

education , or

> > > >> progeny

> > > >> > depending on the person's age.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Regards,

> > > >> > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > arkaydash wrote:

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Dear Chandrashekharji,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Thanks. I would like to know how you

read the graduation

> > slab,

> > > >> which is

> > > >> > > neither higher education nor early

education. Please

tell.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Ketu giving Mars-like results is

understandable but to my

> > mind,

> > > >> not to

> > > >> > > the extent of replicating the

lordship. Besides, it is

not

> > Aries

> > > >> and

> > > >> > > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu

that we can deduce

> > that, is

> > > >> it? The

> > > >> > > reading on mother and domicile front

may stick.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th

lordship result of

Ketu

> > as

> > > >> its

> > > >> > > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the

overall chart. I

will

> > post

> > > >> the

> > > >> > > chart soon.

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > RK

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com

> > > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>,

> > > >> Chandrashekhar

> > > >> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Dear RK Da,

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > I could also indicate harm to

mother or giving up

> > motherland.

> > > >> It could

> > > >> > > > also indicate problems in

graduation slab of education

and

> > > >> even giving

> > > >> > > > up education at that time. Ketu

would also give

results of

> > > >> Saturn in

> > > >> > > its

> > > >> > > > dasha and being like Mars the

2nd and 7th lord could

> > indicate

> > > >> problems

> > > >> > > > on marital front.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > arkaydash wrote:

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Chandrasekharji,

> > > >> > > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are

in 4th hse? You have

alluded

> > to

> > > >> Kapata

> > > >> > > Yoga

> > > >> > > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th.

Saturn+Ketu ipso facto

constitutes

> > > >> saintly

> > > >> > > > > disposition if I correctly

remember your observation

at

> > this

> > > >> forum.

> > > >> > > The

> > > >> > > > > sign in this case is Makara.

> > > >> > > > > RK

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com

> > > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>

> > > >> > > > > <vedicastrol

ogyandhealing% 40.

com>,

> > > >> Chandrashekhar

> > > >> > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@

wrote:

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th

could indicate an old large

house

> > and

> > > >> also the

> > > >> > > > > > possibility of a

tendency of not speaking truth,

> > > >> necessarily. It

> > > >> > > could

> > > >> > > > > > also indicate a long

lived mother. Saturn or Moon

not

> > > >> aspecting

> > > >> > > the th

> > > >> > > > > > or 9th I do not think

this could mean fanaticism.

It is

> > > >> more the

> > > >> > > > > > Sun+mars combination

that could sometimes indicate

this

> > > >> tendency

> > > >> > > of

> > > >> > > > > > showing off his

religion.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > take care,

> > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Jupitor's

presence has confused me too but Sat +

> > Moon in

> > > >> 4'th

> > > >> > > house,

> > > >> > > > > > > and Jup

affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as

well

> > as

> > > >> Mars

> > > >> > > aspect

> > > >> > > > > > > on lagna gave me

thoughts to put the chart in the

> > group

> > > >> for a

> > > >> > > > > serious

> > > >> > > > > > > discussion.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > Will Sat + Moon

combo in 4'th house make a person

> > > >> fanatic and

> > > >> > > > > > > barberic ?

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>

> > > >> > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%

40. com>

> > > >> > > > > <vedicastrol

ogyandhealing% 40.

com>

> > > >> > > > > > >

<vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40.

> > com>,

> > > >> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >> > > > > > >

sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > Check your

source. With Aquarius and Jupiter

in the

> > > >> Lagna his

> > > >> > > > > > > history

> > > >> > > > > > > > does not

suit the chart.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

Chandrashekhar.

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear

Group and Elders,

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > In

Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid

Lahori

> > has

> > > >> given

> > > >> > > some

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

unorganised astro contents, they tell u

planetary

> > > >> position

> > > >> > > at

> > > >> > > > > the

> > > >> > > > > > > > > time of

various events. Presenting Shahjahan

and

> > his

> > > >> bad son

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to

have

> > an

> > > >> > > > > > > > > study

of their horoscopes, focusing on -

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 1.

massive killing and oppression of

siblings.

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 2.

enimical behavior with their fathers.

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 3.

barbaric nature (more in case of

Aurangjeb)

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 4.

exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds

of

> > women

> > > >> in the

> > > >> > > > > fort)

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 5.

Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 6.

religious fanatism

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > A

---> Aurangjeb

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Dob :

03/11/1618

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Tob :

20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the

> > time, m

> > > >> not

> > > >> > > sure)

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Pob :

somewhere in Gujrat.

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > The

details i have are as follows -

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Lagna :

Aquarius - Jup

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 4H :

Sat + Moon

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 6h :

Ketu

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 7H :

Mars

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 9H :

Sun + Merc

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 11H :

Ven

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 12: Rahu

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > B.) And

Shahjahan.

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Oh my

god, i forgot to note down his birth

> > details,

> > > >> any way

> > > >> > > > > > > reproducing

> > > >> > > > > > > > > his

horoscope

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Lagna :

Aquarius

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 2H :

Mars

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 4H: Sat

+ Rahu

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 8H: Moon

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 10H : Ju

> > > >> > > > > > > > > 11H :

Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > He did

a revolt against Father in

Rahu/Moon/Mars

> > but

> > > >> in

> > > >> > > > > Sani/Rahu

> > > >> > > > > > > All

> > > >> > > > > > > > > his

sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another

Son).

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Will

give more details tomorrow.

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > > >

> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> >

> > > >>

> > > >

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