Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Dear Sir, I m sorry for sounding rude, what u said about karkatwa of Ju and Mer is known to me as i have learnt the basicsm initially from u and Baqya Sir, I can not forget that. But i want you elders to be open for enhancing the astrology by carefully observing what's given in classics and what happens in one's life and what is practised and appreciated in some magazines of some schools of astrology. Let's follow the path shown by Sages, let's watch the world with open eyes, let's update our knowledge and pass on to this and next generation. Let's not be dogmatic, none of the sages were dogmatic. I see sages are standing behind me in a queue, They gives me ideas which later i find some or the other classics already written, then helps me a quick assimilation of the concept with enough clarity. I dont know how i happen to find books, pieces of papers and direction by intution, I m thankful to god and sages, the accumulation of great knowledge. If i dont accept from u elders then tell me who are there to spread tru knowledge of astrology. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > It appears that you have made up your mind that 4th can not be > education. Did you ask Vighnesh if he began CA before or after his > graduation? May be Vighnesh himself would like to comment. > > 4th lord going to the 8th does not make it strong and like it or not > Mercury is karaka for education and is in Papakartari. Jupiter is not > the karaka for education, it is karaka for knowledge, progeny, Guru, > money and work. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > I m sorry to say that logic and eplanation given by you does seem > > appropriate,First let's scale the effect of good and bad aspects, > > > > Will u say : *Aspect of exalted Ju + Aspect of exalted Merc < Aspect > > of Mars ?* > > > > In vighnesh Ji's chart, 4'th receives aspect of exalted Guru from the > > 8'th, and again receives aspect of exalted Mercury. > > > > Mercury and Jupitor both are the karaka for study and Knowledge, Both > > are exalted, Now come Mars, Why only Mars's aspect w'd impact and the > > impact is so bad that he could not clear his CA despite multiple > > efforts, CA is only a graduation level education. > > > > Same is case of RK Daa, It's important to note that his lagna lord > > Merc is exalted in 4'th but he never got good rank, Mercury's > > exaltation happens in his own sign, so, there is no case of > > dispositor's bad effect, in his academic education, he met failures > > and broken the line of study, however, he is learned more than most of > > the people we see around us, he has real knowledge and has an autority > > in his profession. > > > > *Take my brother's chart.* > > > > Lagna is Aquarious, 4'th and 9'th lord Venus is placed in 5'th house > > whereas Moon is placed in 9'th,So, as per the dictum that 4'th denotes > > education, he should do good in graduation, should have a good > > academic record, but on the contrary, he had a gap of 2 yrs after his > > 12'th, he never scored good except for his class 10'th, He dis his > > Graduation with 54.7% of marx only. > > > > If u take 2nd house for study, His 2nd lord Ju is placed in 7'th in a > > frind rashi, So, why he was only an average student throughout his > > school time as well got good marx only in class 10'th. > > > > *My idea is -* > > > > His 5'th house receives Saturn's aspect thus chart does not have very > > good potential for study and he was running in saturn's dasa during > > his study, along with this, 5'th lord is placed in 6'th along with > > Rahu. Thus chart dosnt have promise for good ecucation. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing >, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > I thought so. Anyway, Buddhi or Buddhi prabandhan can not be equated to > > > formal education, neither can Dhi. So the references tat you quote do > > > not seem to say that education is to be seen from the 5th. But if you > > > feel that you should take it as the house of formal education you are > > > free to do so. Only the sages do not seem to agree. > > > > > > I do not have chart of RK da to comment about his 4th bhava. But in > > case > > > of Vighnesh the 4th lord occupies the 8th bhava in both rasi and > > > Navamsha and Mercury is in Papakartari. So the 4th bhava is not as > > > strong as it should be. besides aspects of Jupiter and Mercury it also > > > receives the aspect of Mars and Jupiter the 4th lord itself is in > > aspect > > > of Saturn. However by not doing good education do you mean he had > > > obstacles in education or that he did not pursue post graduation (which > > > should be seen from the 5th as indicated by me) ? > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > Like any science, astrology too evolved over the period and we see > > > > one concept after another for same thing till the establishment and > > > > maturity point. > > > > > > > > I have quoted shlokas from Bhava Kautuhalam, Shambu Hora, Phalit > > > > Martand. > > > > > > > > I m sorry for referring to two personal incidens but In RK Daa's > > > > chart, in the 4'th house, there is Mercury exalted, still he could > > > > not get any good achievment in academic education, in another group > > > > member, Vighnesh Ji's chart same Merc is exalted in 10'th thus > > > > aspecting 4'th prominantly still he could not do good in academic > > > > education. > > > > > > > > It's upto astrologer if they want to find right causes or not, even > > > > with wrong aproach and wrong concept sometimes one may get > > > > satisfactory justification but not always. > > > > > > > > If 4'th denotes education, I w'd have done very good in my Grad. > > > > > > > > It's vital to understand the potential and pattern of life through > > > > the chart. If 5'th is weak, there is no good potential, and during a > > > > bad dasha and transit, one can get obstacles and failures. This has > > > > no exception at all. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with RK da. Please give reference to the classic text from > > > > which > > > > > you give the shlokas. If one really wants o go to the classical > > > > > definitions verbatim, then only the 2nd is called Vidya bhava. > > > > Bhrigu > > > > > does refer to this being opinion of the learned and says that in > > > > his > > > > > opinion 4th is the house of academic education. Fifth he allots to > > > > > higher learning and wisdom, intelligence spiritual practices and > > > > so on. > > > > > Mantreshwar in Phaladeepika also indicates the 4th for education. > > > > So > > > > > many classics do mention the 4th being related to education. > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK Daa, Sri Chandrashekhar Ji, Nalini Ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > I m surprised to see following is written by RK Daa, A conclusion > > > > > > which has no clear endorsement in a classics - > > > > > > > > > > > > A.) 5th can make for shrewdness even, when loaded, with strength > > > > > > from mixed kind (benefic and malefic). It gives ability to devise > > > > > > plans > > > > > > > > > > > > B.) The core vidya sthana is 4th house - Almost similar opinion > > > > is > > > > > > given by Sri Chandrashekhar Ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > I examined both the statements, Sorry, both needs serious review, > > > > > > however, It's true that confusion between 4'th with and 9'th with > > > > > > 10'th for some common significations is quite normal, Great BV > > > > Raman > > > > > > also could not reach any visible distinction, the answer lies in > > > > > > tradition, since cnturies such a tradition has been continued in > > > > > > several pockets of india, however, our classics are quite clear > > > > on > > > > > > primary and secondary kind of significations of the bhavas. > > > > > > > > > > > > To remove the doubt of members and to put an end to this > > > > confusion, > > > > > > which sometimes forces astrologer to stretch the basics to reach > > > > a > > > > > > justification, i m giving some shlokas of classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th is unaminously called " Turya Sthaana " , " Mitra Alaya " > > > > or " Sukha > > > > > > Sthaana " , The shloka is - > > > > > > > > > > > > Turyasthan Sanstham Phalam tat Vakscha-Sthaanam Purushanam > > > > Niruktam > > > > > > (Principles or Ethics expressed) ! > > > > > > Amba (Mother) BandhuKchhoni Mitralayanam (Public Support by > > > > friends > > > > > > and relatives) Sarva Annanam (Food Grain, Yield of effort) GramYug > > > > > > Vahananaam (Land, Village, Vehicles). > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th is unaminously called place for " Mati Prabandhaha " , " Budhi > > > > > > Prabandha " or Management of Mind and Intellect. > > > > > > > > > > > > The shloka goes - > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mati Prabandhaha Sutabhe Nijodaram (One's own Children), > > > > > > Vinaye(Modesty, Politeness)- Garbha-Sthiti, Mantra Sadhanam > > > > > > Modesty !! > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Santan Garbha Sthitineeti Sanstha, Mantradi Siddhi Vinayash > > > > Vidya > > > > > > (Learning/Education), Buddhi Prabandhaha Sutabhe Vichintyam Etat > > > > annu > > > > > > JatakGyaha !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, where is the confusion, I think that was there because the > > > > 4'th > > > > > > denotes how u keep what u acquire, the immovables, so, the > > > > knowledge > > > > > > that you retain after studying a subject, is to be seen from the > > > > 4'th > > > > > > not the education, study or ur's learning itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd request RK Daa to review the 4'th house and education in > > > > his > > > > > > own case, Why this placement has not given you a bright academic > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's not misundersatand the primary and seconday significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>>, " arkaydash " > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your 4th house is aspected by its lord. Strengthened. It is > > > > > > aspected by > > > > > > > Mercury, not by any other planet. Stenghtened and imbued with > > > > Mc, > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > Capable of quick learning. Mc in water sign. Intuitive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My understaning is that 4th speaks of how learned one is. If > > > > it is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the care of its benefic lord and is by and large unsullied by > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > impact, learning is assured. If the care is with Mc, have no > > > > doubt. > > > > > > Mc > > > > > > > as 4th lord ensures that the real wealth is his or her > > > > learning; > > > > > > other > > > > > > > tangible assets will gravitate in the goodness of time via > > > > Mercury's > > > > > > > prasaada (grants). As lagna lord in debility, Mc spells > > > > periods of > > > > > > > concern; when there is a bad run of dasa etc, health may not > > > > remain > > > > > > > unassailed. Your fluctuating academic performances have to be > > > > seen > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the context of the then operating dasa and transit. Transit of > > > > the > > > > > > Big > > > > > > > Two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third house has to do with dexeterity, manual. The act of > > > > writing & > > > > > > > communication & retention (dhruti) thus also patience. Benefics > > > > > > there: a > > > > > > > person writes a good hand. His patience does not run out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The core vidya sthana is 4th house. With a strong, unalloyed > > > > 4th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > one cannot command vidya. Neither 5th, nor 9th can compensate. > > > > 5th > > > > > > is > > > > > > > intelligence in the sense of discernement. 9th is the ability > > > > to > > > > > > process > > > > > > > ideas, abstaract systems. 5th can make for shrewdness even, > > > > when > > > > > > loaded > > > > > > > with strength from mixed kind (benefic and malefic). It gives > > > > > > ability to > > > > > > > devise plans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, 9th. Some other time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>>, nalini swamy > > > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and others, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart where Guru is > > > > in > > > > > > > makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha yuti in > > > > Meena. > > > > > > > > The native is left-handed when writing, eating with > > > > implements > > > > > > like > > > > > > > spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to using bare > > > > hands. The > > > > > > > handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha 3rd lord? The > > > > 3rd > > > > > > house > > > > > > > here is not aspected by a malefic; Native dislikes writing, > > > > even > > > > > > > academic. Native has not done very well academically despite > > > > being > > > > > > very > > > > > > > intelligent as he does no like even to write the answers in > > > > full but > > > > > > > just enough to get him through. > > > > > > > > Now coming to academic excellence and grades, in my chart > > > > my 4th > > > > > > > bhava, Kanya, has Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in Meena, deb, > > > > with > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and Ketu occupy Karka, > > > > again > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna is Rishaba( yuti > > > > dwiguru). > > > > > > > > I have done extremely well in school, average in > > > > Intermediate and > > > > > > very > > > > > > > well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I am now doing > > > > a > > > > > > > Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so > > > > facscinated by > > > > > > the > > > > > > > fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I mentioned > > > > earlier. I > > > > > > > started off very,very well and nose-dived in the 2nd year. A > > > > lot to > > > > > > do > > > > > > > with Gochara I suppose. > > > > > > > > I also do well in abstract concepts and writing, not very > > > > good in > > > > > > > science when it comes to grades. Even in Jyotish, I am helped > > > > more > > > > > > with > > > > > > > intuitive stuff rather than mere astro concepts which is also > > > > why I > > > > > > > hesitate to discuss charts (: > > > > > > > > Love to have your inputs, > > > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@ > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > > > Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AM > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: ShahJahan and > > > > > > AurangJeb - > > > > > > > AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a difference between handwriting and Likhita vidya. > > > > It is > > > > > > > only in these days that even 3 year old are taught to write > > > > that > > > > > > too two > > > > > > > languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard most of the > > > > > > teaching > > > > > > > was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and so on. With > > > > time the > > > > > > > definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for getting > > > > Gyaan > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > on changes. I remember the times when those who had done > > > > > > Matriculation > > > > > > > were considered highly educated. These days it is not uncommon > > > > to > > > > > > see > > > > > > > even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even post graduates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is in > > > > Papakartari > > > > > > and > > > > > > > its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the rasi of its > > > > > > enemy > > > > > > > Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is > > > > more > > > > > > > > related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of the > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if > > > > aspected > > > > > > by a > > > > > > > > malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in > > > > writing > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th house is > > > > > > > > occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my > > > > > > graduation, > > > > > > > > whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > <aling@> s.com, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK da, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for > > > > > > > > graduation > > > > > > > > > and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or > > > > higher > > > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita > > > > (written > > > > > > > > word) > > > > > > > > > vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th higher > > > > form > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in with the > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D. only > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we > > > > could > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > it in the 4th bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari > > > > > > dashas > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives > > > > results > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give > > > > education , or > > > > > > > > progeny > > > > > > > > > depending on the person's age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arkaydash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation > > > > slab, > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > neither higher education nor early education. Please > > > > tell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my > > > > > > mind, > > > > > > > > not to > > > > > > > > > > the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is > > > > not > > > > > > Aries > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce > > > > that, > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > it? The > > > > > > > > > > reading on mother and domicile front may stick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of > > > > Ketu > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I > > > > will > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > <aling@> s.com > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK Da, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up > > > > > > motherland. > > > > > > > > It could > > > > > > > > > > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of education > > > > and > > > > > > > > even giving > > > > > > > > > > > up education at that time. Ketu would also give > > > > results of > > > > > > > > Saturn in > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > on marital front. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arkaydash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have > > > > alluded > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Kapata > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto > > > > constitutes > > > > > > > > saintly > > > > > > > > > > > > disposition if I correctly remember your observation > > > > at > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > forum. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > sign in this case is Makara. > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > <aling@> s.com > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. > > > > com>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large > > > > house > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also the > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth, > > > > > > > > necessarily. It > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon > > > > not > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > the th > > > > > > > > > > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. > > > > It is > > > > > > > > more the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate > > > > this > > > > > > > > tendency > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > showing off his religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat + > > > > Moon > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as > > > > well > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > serious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person > > > > > > > > fanatic and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > barberic ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > <aling@> s.com > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. > > > > > > com>, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter > > > > in the > > > > > > > > Lagna his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not suit the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group and Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid > > > > Lahori > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan > > > > and > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > bad son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to > > > > have > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of > > > > siblings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of > > > > Aurangjeb) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > fort) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the > > > > > > time, m > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > sure) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The details i have are as follows - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7H : Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11H : Ven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12: Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth > > > > > > details, > > > > > > > > any way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reproducing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2H : Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8H: Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H : Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in > > > > Rahu/Moon/Mars > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Sani/Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another > > > > Son). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > > > http://au.messenger. > > <http://au.messenger.> <http://au.messenger. > > <http://au.messenger.>> > > > > <http://au.messenger. <http://au.messenger.> > > <http://au.messenger. <http://au.messenger.>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Dear Lalit, I do not know why you think we have a closed mind. I think in my book I have exhorted people to understand the principles behind what is said by the sages. So I am perhaps the last one to have closed mind. Yet, it is difficult for me to accept something that is not said by the sages as having been said by them. I have already distinguished between different forms of learning and have also given my thoughts about why certain bhavas relate to certain levels of education in current time. If we accept that 5th is graduation, as you suggest, then what is post graduation and what is Doctoral level of education has also to be defined. I have already indicated that in the days when the general level of education was matriculation, the 5th would be the graduation as only those desirous of higher learning would pursue that. Such is not the case today and one must redefine the indicators. As to sages, they have always called the 2nd bhava the Vidya bhava, as far as I know. Some have also indicated 4th as the bhava for education. I have not seen anyone referring to the 5th bhava as education. However since it is the mantra bhava and since that is acquired after tapa, any form of higher education, beyond normal limits of education in an age should be seen from the 5th bhava. As I always say, if anyone wants to interpret this in a different manner they are free to do so. After all, in the divine science of prediction everyone has to find his own truth. Take care, Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Dear Sir, I m sorry for sounding rude, what u said about karkatwa of Ju and Mer is known to me as i have learnt the basicsm initially from u and Baqya Sir, I can not forget that. But i want you elders to be open for enhancing the astrology by carefully observing what's given in classics and what happens in one's life and what is practised and appreciated in some magazines of some schools of astrology. Let's follow the path shown by Sages, let's watch the world with open eyes, let's update our knowledge and pass on to this and next generation. Let's not be dogmatic, none of the sages were dogmatic. I see sages are standing behind me in a queue, They gives me ideas which later i find some or the other classics already written, then helps me a quick assimilation of the concept with enough clarity. I dont know how i happen to find books, pieces of papers and direction by intution, I m thankful to god and sages, the accumulation of great knowledge. If i dont accept from u elders then tell me who are there to spread tru knowledge of astrology. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear Lalit, > > It appears that you have made up your mind that 4th can not be > education. Did you ask Vighnesh if he began CA before or after his > graduation? May be Vighnesh himself would like to comment. > > 4th lord going to the 8th does not make it strong and like it or not > Mercury is karaka for education and is in Papakartari. Jupiter is not > the karaka for education, it is karaka for knowledge, progeny, Guru, > money and work. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar > > litsol wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > I m sorry to say that logic and eplanation given by you does seem > > appropriate,First let's scale the effect of good and bad aspects, > > > > Will u say : *Aspect of exalted Ju + Aspect of exalted Merc < Aspect > > of Mars ?* > > > > In vighnesh Ji's chart, 4'th receives aspect of exalted Guru from the > > 8'th, and again receives aspect of exalted Mercury. > > > > Mercury and Jupitor both are the karaka for study and Knowledge, Both > > are exalted, Now come Mars, Why only Mars's aspect w'd impact and the > > impact is so bad that he could not clear his CA despite multiple > > efforts, CA is only a graduation level education. > > > > Same is case of RK Daa, It's important to note that his lagna lord > > Merc is exalted in 4'th but he never got good rank, Mercury's > > exaltation happens in his own sign, so, there is no case of > > dispositor's bad effect, in his academic education, he met failures > > and broken the line of study, however, he is learned more than most of > > the people we see around us, he has real knowledge and has an autority > > in his profession. > > > > *Take my brother's chart.* > > > > Lagna is Aquarious, 4'th and 9'th lord Venus is placed in 5'th house > > whereas Moon is placed in 9'th,So, as per the dictum that 4'th denotes > > education, he should do good in graduation, should have a good > > academic record, but on the contrary, he had a gap of 2 yrs after his > > 12'th, he never scored good except for his class 10'th, He dis his > > Graduation with 54.7% of marx only. > > > > If u take 2nd house for study, His 2nd lord Ju is placed in 7'th in a > > frind rashi, So, why he was only an average student throughout his > > school time as well got good marx only in class 10'th. > > > > *My idea is -* > > > > His 5'th house receives Saturn's aspect thus chart does not have very > > good potential for study and he was running in saturn's dasa during > > his study, along with this, 5'th lord is placed in 6'th along with > > Rahu. Thus chart dosnt have promise for good ecucation. > > > > regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing >, Chandrashekhar > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > I thought so. Anyway, Buddhi or Buddhi prabandhan can not be equated to > > > formal education, neither can Dhi. So the references tat you quote do > > > not seem to say that education is to be seen from the 5th. But if you > > > feel that you should take it as the house of formal education you are > > > free to do so. Only the sages do not seem to agree. > > > > > > I do not have chart of RK da to comment about his 4th bhava. But in > > case > > > of Vighnesh the 4th lord occupies the 8th bhava in both rasi and > > > Navamsha and Mercury is in Papakartari. So the 4th bhava is not as > > > strong as it should be. besides aspects of Jupiter and Mercury it also > > > receives the aspect of Mars and Jupiter the 4th lord itself is in > > aspect > > > of Saturn. However by not doing good education do you mean he had > > > obstacles in education or that he did not pursue post graduation (which > > > should be seen from the 5th as indicated by me) ? > > > > > > Take care, > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > Like any science, astrology too evolved over the period and we see > > > > one concept after another for same thing till the establishment and > > > > maturity point. > > > > > > > > I have quoted shlokas from Bhava Kautuhalam, Shambu Hora, Phalit > > > > Martand. > > > > > > > > I m sorry for referring to two personal incidens but In RK Daa's > > > > chart, in the 4'th house, there is Mercury exalted, still he could > > > > not get any good achievment in academic education, in another group > > > > member, Vighnesh Ji's chart same Merc is exalted in 10'th thus > > > > aspecting 4'th prominantly still he could not do good in academic > > > > education. > > > > > > > > It's upto astrologer if they want to find right causes or not, even > > > > with wrong aproach and wrong concept sometimes one may get > > > > satisfactory justification but not always. > > > > > > > > If 4'th denotes education, I w'd have done very good in my Grad. > > > > > > > > It's vital to understand the potential and pattern of life through > > > > the chart. If 5'th is weak, there is no good potential, and during a > > > > bad dasha and transit, one can get obstacles and failures. This has > > > > no exception at all. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>>, Chandrashekhar > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > I agree with RK da. Please give reference to the classic text from > > > > which > > > > > you give the shlokas. If one really wants o go to the classical > > > > > definitions verbatim, then only the 2nd is called Vidya bhava. > > > > Bhrigu > > > > > does refer to this being opinion of the learned and says that in > > > > his > > > > > opinion 4th is the house of academic education. Fifth he allots to > > > > > higher learning and wisdom, intelligence spiritual practices and > > > > so on. > > > > > Mantreshwar in Phaladeepika also indicates the 4th for education. > > > > So > > > > > many classics do mention the 4th being related to education. > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK Daa, Sri Chandrashekhar Ji, Nalini Ji and Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > I m surprised to see following is written by RK Daa, A conclusion > > > > > > which has no clear endorsement in a classics - > > > > > > > > > > > > A.) 5th can make for shrewdness even, when loaded, with strength > > > > > > from mixed kind (benefic and malefic). It gives ability to devise > > > > > > plans > > > > > > > > > > > > B.) The core vidya sthana is 4th house - Almost similar opinion > > > > is > > > > > > given by Sri Chandrashekhar Ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > I examined both the statements, Sorry, both needs serious review, > > > > > > however, It's true that confusion between 4'th with and 9'th with > > > > > > 10'th for some common significations is quite normal, Great BV > > > > Raman > > > > > > also could not reach any visible distinction, the answer lies in > > > > > > tradition, since cnturies such a tradition has been continued in > > > > > > several pockets of india, however, our classics are quite clear > > > > on > > > > > > primary and secondary kind of significations of the bhavas. > > > > > > > > > > > > To remove the doubt of members and to put an end to this > > > > confusion, > > > > > > which sometimes forces astrologer to stretch the basics to reach > > > > a > > > > > > justification, i m giving some shlokas of classics. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th is unaminously called "Turya Sthaana", "Mitra Alaya" > > > > or "Sukha > > > > > > Sthaana", The shloka is - > > > > > > > > > > > > Turyasthan Sanstham Phalam tat Vakscha-Sthaanam Purushanam > > > > Niruktam > > > > > > (Principles or Ethics expressed) ! > > > > > > Amba (Mother) BandhuKchhoni Mitralayanam (Public Support by > > > > friends > > > > > > and relatives) Sarva Annanam (Food Grain, Yield of effort) GramYug > > > > > > Vahananaam (Land, Village, Vehicles). > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th is unaminously called place for "Mati Prabandhaha" , "Budhi > > > > > > Prabandha" or Management of Mind and Intellect. > > > > > > > > > > > > The shloka goes - > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Mati Prabandhaha Sutabhe Nijodaram (One's own Children), > > > > > > Vinaye(Modesty, Politeness)- Garbha-Sthiti, Mantra Sadhanam > > > > > > Modesty !! > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Santan Garbha Sthitineeti Sanstha, Mantradi Siddhi Vinayash > > > > Vidya > > > > > > (Learning/Education), Buddhi Prabandhaha Sutabhe Vichintyam Etat > > > > annu > > > > > > JatakGyaha !! > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, where is the confusion, I think that was there because the > > > > 4'th > > > > > > denotes how u keep what u acquire, the immovables, so, the > > > > knowledge > > > > > > that you retain after studying a subject, is to be seen from the > > > > 4'th > > > > > > not the education, study or ur's learning itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd request RK Daa to review the 4'th house and education in > > > > his > > > > > > own case, Why this placement has not given you a bright academic > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's not misundersatand the primary and seconday significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>>, "arkaydash" > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nalini, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your 4th house is aspected by its lord. Strengthened. It is > > > > > > aspected by > > > > > > > Mercury, not by any other planet. Stenghtened and imbued with > > > > Mc, > > > > > > right? > > > > > > > Capable of quick learning. Mc in water sign. Intuitive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My understaning is that 4th speaks of how learned one is. If > > > > it is > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the care of its benefic lord and is by and large unsullied by > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > impact, learning is assured. If the care is with Mc, have no > > > > doubt. > > > > > > Mc > > > > > > > as 4th lord ensures that the real wealth is his or her > > > > learning; > > > > > > other > > > > > > > tangible assets will gravitate in the goodness of time via > > > > Mercury's > > > > > > > prasaada (grants). As lagna lord in debility, Mc spells > > > > periods of > > > > > > > concern; when there is a bad run of dasa etc, health may not > > > > remain > > > > > > > unassailed. Your fluctuating academic performances have to be > > > > seen > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the context of the then operating dasa and transit. Transit of > > > > the > > > > > > Big > > > > > > > Two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third house has to do with dexeterity, manual. The act of > > > > writing & > > > > > > > communication & retention (dhruti) thus also patience. Benefics > > > > > > there: a > > > > > > > person writes a good hand. His patience does not run out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The core vidya sthana is 4th house. With a strong, unalloyed > > > > 4th > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > one cannot command vidya. Neither 5th, nor 9th can compensate. > > > > 5th > > > > > > is > > > > > > > intelligence in the sense of discernement. 9th is the ability > > > > to > > > > > > process > > > > > > > ideas, abstaract systems. 5th can make for shrewdness even, > > > > when > > > > > > loaded > > > > > > > with strength from mixed kind (benefic and malefic). It gives > > > > > > ability to > > > > > > > devise plans. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, 9th. Some other time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>>, nalini swamy > > > > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and others, > > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart where Guru is > > > > in > > > > > > > makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha yuti in > > > > Meena. > > > > > > > > The native is left-handed when writing, eating with > > > > implements > > > > > > like > > > > > > > spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to using bare > > > > hands. The > > > > > > > handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha 3rd lord? The > > > > 3rd > > > > > > house > > > > > > > here is not aspected by a malefic; Native dislikes writing, > > > > even > > > > > > > academic. Native has not done very well academically despite > > > > being > > > > > > very > > > > > > > intelligent as he does no like even to write the answers in > > > > full but > > > > > > > just enough to get him through. > > > > > > > > Now coming to academic excellence and grades, in my chart > > > > my 4th > > > > > > > bhava, Kanya, has Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in Meena, deb, > > > > with > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and Ketu occupy Karka, > > > > again > > > > > > to > > > > > > > do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna is Rishaba( yuti > > > > dwiguru). > > > > > > > > I have done extremely well in school, average in > > > > Intermediate and > > > > > > very > > > > > > > well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I am now doing > > > > a > > > > > > > Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so > > > > facscinated by > > > > > > the > > > > > > > fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I mentioned > > > > earlier. I > > > > > > > started off very,very well and nose-dived in the 2nd year. A > > > > lot to > > > > > > do > > > > > > > with Gochara I suppose. > > > > > > > > I also do well in abstract concepts and writing, not very > > > > good in > > > > > > > science when it comes to grades. Even in Jyotish, I am helped > > > > more > > > > > > with > > > > > > > intuitive stuff rather than mere astro concepts which is also > > > > why I > > > > > > > hesitate to discuss charts (: > > > > > > > > Love to have your inputs, > > > > > > > > Nalini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@ > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40 > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > > > > > > > > Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AM > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: ShahJahan and > > > > > > AurangJeb - > > > > > > > AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a difference between handwriting and Likhita vidya. > > > > It is > > > > > > > only in these days that even 3 year old are taught to write > > > > that > > > > > > too two > > > > > > > languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard most of the > > > > > > teaching > > > > > > > was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and so on. With > > > > time the > > > > > > > definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for getting > > > > Gyaan > > > > > > and so > > > > > > > on changes. I remember the times when those who had done > > > > > > Matriculation > > > > > > > were considered highly educated. These days it is not uncommon > > > > to > > > > > > see > > > > > > > even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even post graduates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is in > > > > Papakartari > > > > > > and > > > > > > > its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the rasi of its > > > > > > enemy > > > > > > > Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it's important to mention that lekhan (writing) is > > > > more > > > > > > > > related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen dozens of the > > > > > > cases > > > > > > > > when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case) and if > > > > aspected > > > > > > by a > > > > > > > > malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not only poor in > > > > writing > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my 4'th house is > > > > > > > > occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad in my > > > > > > graduation, > > > > > > > > whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th dominates in chart for the judgement of education. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > <aling@> s.com, > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK da, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I look to 2nd for education up to secondary level, 4th for > > > > > > > > graduation > > > > > > > > > and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the Doctoral or > > > > higher > > > > > > > > education. > > > > > > > > > Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th Likhita > > > > (written > > > > > > > > word) > > > > > > > > > vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and 9th higher > > > > form > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > acquired knowledge. However we have to fit this in with the > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > education pattern. May be if a person is doing Ph.D. only > > > > to get > > > > > > > > > University scales and not for any worthwhile research, we > > > > could > > > > > > > > look at > > > > > > > > > it in the 4th bhava. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in Vimshottari > > > > > > dashas > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > does give results like that of Mars who in the instant case > > > > > > > > happens to > > > > > > > > > be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also gives > > > > results > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give > > > > education , or > > > > > > > > progeny > > > > > > > > > depending on the person's age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arkaydash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the graduation > > > > slab, > > > > > > > > which is > > > > > > > > > > neither higher education nor early education. Please > > > > tell. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu giving Mars-like results is understandable but to my > > > > > > mind, > > > > > > > > not to > > > > > > > > > > the extent of replicating the lordship. Besides, it is > > > > not > > > > > > Aries > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we can deduce > > > > that, > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > it? The > > > > > > > > > > reading on mother and domicile front may stick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship result of > > > > Ketu > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall chart. I > > > > will > > > > > > post > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > chart soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > <aling@> s.com > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK Da, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could also indicate harm to mother or giving up > > > > > > motherland. > > > > > > > > It could > > > > > > > > > > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of education > > > > and > > > > > > > > even giving > > > > > > > > > > > up education at that time. Ketu would also give > > > > results of > > > > > > > > Saturn in > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th lord could > > > > > > indicate > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > on marital front. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arkaydash wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji, > > > > > > > > > > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse? You have > > > > alluded > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Kapata > > > > > > > > > > Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso facto > > > > constitutes > > > > > > > > saintly > > > > > > > > > > > > disposition if I correctly remember your observation > > > > at > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > forum. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > sign in this case is Makara. > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > <aling@> s.com > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. > > > > com>, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate an old large > > > > house > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > also the > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of a tendency of not speaking truth, > > > > > > > > necessarily. It > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > also indicate a long lived mother. Saturn or Moon > > > > not > > > > > > > > aspecting > > > > > > > > > > the th > > > > > > > > > > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean fanaticism. > > > > It is > > > > > > > > more the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun+mars combination that could sometimes indicate > > > > this > > > > > > > > tendency > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > showing off his religion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take care, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too but Sat + > > > > Moon > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 4'th > > > > > > > > > > house, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect on it, as > > > > well > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the chart in the > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > for a > > > > > > > > > > > > serious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house make a person > > > > > > > > fanatic and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > barberic ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > > <aling@> s.com > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. > > > > com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing% 40. > > > > > > com>, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check your source. With Aquarius and Jupiter > > > > in the > > > > > > > > Lagna his > > > > > > > > > > > > > > history > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not suit the chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Group and Elders, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author Mulla Abdul Hamid > > > > Lahori > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they tell u > > > > planetary > > > > > > > > position > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time of various events. Presenting Shahjahan > > > > and > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > bad son > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic details to > > > > have > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes, focusing on - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and oppression of > > > > siblings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their fathers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in case of > > > > Aurangjeb) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping hundreds > > > > of > > > > > > women > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > fort) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and dance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls. check the > > > > > > time, m > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > sure) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The details i have are as follows - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7H : Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9H : Sun + Merc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11H : Ven > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12: Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down his birth > > > > > > details, > > > > > > > > any way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reproducing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2H : Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8H: Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H : Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in > > > > Rahu/Moon/Mars > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Sani/Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb (another > > > > Son). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > > > > > > > http://au.messenger. > > <http://au.messenger.> <http://au.messenger. > > <http://au.messenger.>> > > > > <http://au.messenger. <http://au.messenger.> > > <http://au.messenger. <http://au.messenger.>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 due to kali yuga present age. the fourth house is considered the house of bachelors degree and the fifth house would correspond then to masters degree. the 9th house would correspond to phd. i am sure about the fourth house as i have noted it from my personal astrology chart and others have done the analysis as well. now please if anyone can elaborate by all means. i hold my stance on this. of course others will contribute what they must contribute. namaskar, __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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