4'th/5'th and Education (And 9th) RK daa

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Hare Rama Krsna,

Dear RK da,

Namaskar.

 

Much appreciated. I have an interesting experience to narrate here. While living in Chennai I met an astrologer, not very well known. He lived in Triplicane. He charged the needy nominal fee sometimes waived them for the distressed asking them to get flowers for his pooja.His predictions with regards to past events and future were so accurate that I found it impossible to believe them sometimes. An example is, he told me that I would be promoted on 8th of March 1999. That was when I was sick, hospitalised for heart disease and was comtemplating resigning. I argued that it could not be possible as I was resigning and that March was not a month when promotions and transfers were effected. Surprisingly, my father and my superiors at HRD talked me out of resigning(I was offered any place of choice to work in Chennai, unbelievable in terms of my organisational culture). I did not resign, reported to the Divisional office to work. On March 8th 1999, I

was posted to a branch as head of the branch to relieve a person who was being charged with malpractices. That was my first posting as Manager and I had to set the affairs of the branch right as well as mitigate the harm. The astrologer did not even do much calculations and he knew my chart by heart. My aunt told me that he might be a yakshini sadhaka. I still dont know. After a few years, 2003, he was admitted to hospital with severe cadiac problems, had a bypass. But his predictions strangely were some what off mark after that and the crowd at his consultancy thinned out. I left India in 2005 and I dont know if he is still practising.

I dont know what percentage of intuition and jyotish knowledge, applications played a part but it left one client entirely satisfied.

A detour, yet again... My apologies as I could not resist sharing with you all...

 

Regards

Nalini

 

 

 

 

arkaydash <arkaydashVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Monday, 23 June, 2008 3:33:58 AM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: 4'th/5'th and Education (And 9th)

 

Daer Lalit, Nalini:We are all learners, at least in that we all have to keep unlearningsomething or the other that we happened to learn in the past. What youmean by actual vidya is to me the domain of the 4th house.Now semantics. Every disicpline is a subsystem of semantics under theoverarching para-system of semantics which Knowledge is. 'Aveedhaa' and'lakshaNaa' are to be subjected to a discourse at hand while we arenegotiating the terrain of a discipline. Even a writer can set his ownterms of reference. Within that (his) particular discourse the meaningshave to be discrete: they can't afford to overlap too freely. That'sall.But we here will keep refining as and when we can. Chandrashekharjigives us his comments from time to time: they must be noted. Where you(seem to) differ with him, always take your difference with a pinch ifsalt; chances are he is not wrong.There is

a distinct departure in the neo-Parashari discourse from theParashari original. It is thus that we come across this variance withregard to houses 4th & 5th. The departure is apparent in Venkatesh,Vaidyanath and Punjaraaj. Similar departure is notable in respect of10th house karaka: Vaidyanaath adds a whole lot of other planets whereasParashara reserves that for Mercury.What Lalit says here is almost to the point:"...It's a great pity that SJC is misleading learners by not focussingonVimshottari, First they should learn all the consequences ofVimshottari, they have resources, they can do this, But here honestyand approach counts, Same is KN Rao's school. Just see the level oftheir books. You know, After reading once, I have not opened any bookwritten by KN Rao and school.I dont understand why they dont pass on what they should and crowd,dont ask me how much is around them."In

the name of research both the caboodles, more often than not, runaway with common sense and a sound shastric sense of things. That is myfeeling about these prodigals. The fact of the matter is: you go to anunassuming jyotirvid, and he quite satisfies you with a sound reading ofyour chart; he has no novelty-seeking research of his own. He uses theParashari tool more or less complete, and smooth comes out his reading,from a humble head (and heart). For the latter, perhaps he says a rosaryof 108 daily.This said, it is imperative that one equips oneself enough beforelaunching into chart-reading.Very few scholars in our times are exact in their examination ofconcepts and constructs. This is true of all disciplines. They areessentially half-backed Minds, not trained in classics -- classics notjust Indian. A certain volume of writings and allied activities givesthem a visibility and they (and the

public too) assume that they aredoing something serviceable to this discipline. One doubts.RKVedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, nalini swamy<nalini2818@ ...> wrote:>> Hare Rama Krsna> Dear RK da,> Namaskar.> I can understand that Jyotish is a lot dependent on semantics. But howdo we attribute education- formal or informal to houses(academic asin what is learnt and formalised with degrees and other awards),and the other learning, 'actual' vidya?Â> 5th house is I think is also associated with 'viveka' and'chitta', the ability to distinguish between what is real andsurreal, and a grasp on the reality. Close to what you said to mati andits functioning. for eg. 'pink elephants flying'

and believing it.Afflictions to the 5th and malefics there do make a difference. Asdo the association with the other grahas and also contributes to thefeeling of *self-esteem* . If the lagnesh is weak then the influencesare more pronounced. I do believe 5th has more to contribute to howthe learning is assimilated and creativity in learning rather thanformal education.> My 2 cents> Regards> Nalini> Â>> > arkaydash arkaydash@.. .> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> Friday, 20 June, 2008 2:45:10 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] 4'th/5'th and Education (And 9th)>>> Dear Lalit (and Nalinni),> 'Dhee' is not 'talent'.

'Pratibhaa' is, or would be the nearest inmeaning.Â> Your view of the 5th is alright.  Let me refine it. 5th is mati,as in durmati, sumati or even in mati-prbandha. Even malefics in 5thcause hypocrisy, as they do to the 4th.> Yes, 4th is what is held after something has been grasped viajnanendriyas. Now, 5th is the (inner) faculty that apprehends. 4thinternalises, and slowly. 9th has to do with what dawns upon us.Epiphany is 9th's domain.> Someone at the group has today made a rumbling claim that the 4th isgraduation, 5th is PG, and 9th is PhD. Well, nothing unacceptableabout that. Except that the claim is made in an overweening manner,and more importantly, without the supporting logic or argumentation. Heis hereby advised to give more care to our limited grasp of this toughdiscipline. Who's he?> RK>> Â> Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com, "litsol" litsol@wrote:> >> > Dear Dheeraj,> >> > In Sanskrit "Dhi" means Talent, there is a slight difference between> > Talent and Intelligence, Intelligence may lead to cleverness if> > degree of selfishness and sense of insecurity is high in the given> > chart, this is what i tried to convey, What i say is 5'th gives the> > capacity to learn and 4'th shows how much u learn by ur's learning> > process.> >> > About Rafel, he is good guy in bad company, now he is adopting> > everything that he should avoid to become good in astrology.> >> > Only advocating that astrology is a divine science and behaving> > contrary to it, takes one to confusion, whatever may be the level of> > confidence one have, even confidence in that case only speeds up> > one's

deviation, this happens when a judgement a required, pls.> > convey this Rafel, I appreciate his good learning and he might be a> > light of torch of indian cultural values in the western world but he> > has to remain very alert from doing the show of guruism.> >> > I m keenly studying verga charts and will tell u the concept behind> > forming them, how such tool's should be taken, an astrologer must> > understand. I m trying to put an end the mess like If Navamsha is> > good and lagna chart is bad, it's over all good or vice versa.> >> > I m developing a scientific and organised approach to judge lagna> > chart's consequences with that of it's several verga charts. But i> > have got only one Sutra as of now, my study is in the very beginning> > stage but i have got the concept.> >> > regards,> >

Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "DHEERAJ KHOSLA"> > khosladheeraj@ wrote:> > >> > > Nmaste Litsol and others,> > > Come on dont get confused .Just see 4th> > > bhava in sidhamsa ( d-24). 4th bhava in rasi just shows various> > > general things like -mother, vehicle, heart,education ....So be> > > specific for specific varga ,other wise u will get messed up> > things> > > all.I had previously done this mistake ,but guru Rafal tought me> > that> > > things from different vargas . So just see vargas.This formula> > works> > > wonderfully.> > >> > > 5th bhava is the intelligence not> > > degree ,diploma knowledge.Its like common sense ( chaturta).> > >> > > thanks,> > >

dheeraj> > >> > >> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar> > > <sharma.chandrashek h ar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > It appears that you have made up your mind that 4th can not be> > > > education. Did you ask Vighnesh if he began CA before or after> > his> > > > graduation? May be Vighnesh himself would like to comment.> > > >> > > > 4th lord going to the 8th does not make it strong and like it or> > > not> > > > Mercury is karaka for education and is in Papakartari. Jupiteris> > > not> > > > the karaka for education, it is karaka for knowledge, progeny,> > > Guru,> > > > money and work.> >

> >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar> > > >> > > > litsol wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > I m sorry to say that logic and eplanation given by you does> > seem> > > > > appropriate, First let's scale the effect of good and bad> > aspects,> > > > >> > > > > Will u say : *Aspect of exalted Ju + Aspect of exalted Merc <> > > Aspect> > > > > of Mars ?*> > > > >> > > > > In vighnesh Ji's chart, 4'th receives aspect of exalted Guru> > from> > > the> > > > > 8'th, and again receives aspect of exalted Mercury.> > > > >> > > > > Mercury and Jupitor both are the

karaka for study and> > Knowledge,> > > Both> > > > > are exalted, Now come Mars, Why only Mars's aspect w'd impact> > and> > > the> > > > > impact is so bad that he could not clear his CA despite> > multiple> > > > > efforts, CA is only a graduation level education.> > > > >> > > > > Same is case of RK Daa, It's important to note that his lagna> > > lord> > > > > Merc is exalted in 4'th but he never got good rank, Mercury's> > > > > exaltation happens in his own sign, so, there is no case of> > > > > dispositor's bad effect, in his academic education, he met> > > failures> > > > > and broken the line of study, however, he is learned more than> > > most of> > > > > the

people we see around us, he has real knowledge and has an> > > autority> > > > > in his profession.> > > > >> > > > > *Take my brother's chart.*> > > > >> > > > > Lagna is Aquarious, 4'th and 9'th lord Venus is placed in 5'th> > > house> > > > > whereas Moon is placed in 9'th,So, as per the dictum that 4'th> > > denotes> > > > > education, he should do good in graduation, should have a good> > > > > academic record, but on the contrary, he had a gap of 2 yrs> > after> > > his> > > > > 12'th, he never scored good except for his class 10'th, He dis> > > his> > > > > Graduation with 54.7% of marx only.> > > > >> > > > > If u take 2nd house for study, His 2nd

lord Ju is placed in> > 7'th> > > in a> > > > > frind rashi, So, why he was only an average student throughout> > > his> > > > > school time as well got good marx only in class 10'th.> > > > >> > > > > *My idea is -*> > > > >> > > > > His 5'th house receives Saturn's aspect thus chart does not> > have> > > very> > > > > good potential for study and he was running in saturn's dasa> > > during> > > > > his study, along with this, 5'th lord is placed in 6'th along> > > with> > > > > Rahu. Thus chart dosnt have promise for good ecucation.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > >> >

> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing,> > Chandrashekhar> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek h ar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I thought so. Anyway, Buddhi or Buddhi

prabandhan can not be> > > equated to> > > > > > formal education, neither can Dhi. So the references tat you> > > quote do> > > > > > not seem to say that education is to be seen from the 5th.> > But> > > if you> > > > > > feel that you should take it as the house of formaleducation> > > you are> > > > > > free to do so. Only the sages do not seem to agree.> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not have chart of RK da to comment about his 4th bhava.> > > But in> > > > > case> > > > > > of Vighnesh the 4th lord occupies the 8th bhava in both rasi> > and> > > > > > Navamsha and Mercury is in Papakartari. So the 4th bhava is> > not> > > as> > > >

> > strong as it should be. besides aspects of Jupiter and> > Mercury> > > it also> > > > > > receives the aspect of Mars and Jupiter the 4th lord itself> > is> > > in> > > > > aspect> > > > > > of Saturn. However by not doing good education do you meanhe> > > had> > > > > > obstacles in education or that he did not pursue post> > > graduation (which> > > > > > should be seen from the 5th as indicated by me) ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> Like any science, astrology too evolved over the periodand> > > we see> > > > > > > one concept after another for same thing till the> > > establishment and> > > > > > > maturity point.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have quoted shlokas from Bhava Kautuhalam, Shambu Hora,> > > Phalit> > > > > > > Martand.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I m sorry for referring to two personal incidens but In RK> > > Daa's> > > > > > > chart, in the 4'th house, there is Mercury exalted, still> > he> > > could> > > > > > > not get any good achievment in academic education, in> > another> > > group> > > > > > > member, Vighnesh

Ji's chart same Merc is exalted in 10'th> > thus> > > > > > > aspecting 4'th prominantly still he could not do good in> > > academic> > > > > > > education.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It's upto astrologer if they want to find right causes or> > > not, even> > > > > > > with wrong aproach and wrong concept sometimes one may get> > > > > > > satisfactory justification but not always.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If 4'th denotes education, I w'd have done very good in my> > > Grad.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It's vital to understand the potential and pattern of life> > > through> > > > > > > the chart. If 5'th is weak, there is no

good potential,and> > > during a> > > > > > > bad dasha and transit, one can get obstacles and failures.> > > This has> > > > > > > no exception at all.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing> > > > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com>>,> > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek h ar@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear

Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I agree with RK da. Please give reference to the classic> > > text from> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > you give the shlokas. If one really wants o go to the> > > classical> > > > > > > > definitions verbatim, then only the 2nd is called Vidya> > > bhava.> > > > > > > Bhrigu> > > > > > > > does refer to this being opinion of the learned and says> > > that in> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > opinion 4th is the house of academic education. Fifth he> > > allots to> > > > > > > > higher learning and wisdom, intelligence spiritual> > > practices and> > > > >

> > so on.> > > > > > > > Mantreshwar in Phaladeepika also indicates the 4th for> > > education.> > > > > > > So> > > > > > > > many classics do mention the 4th being related to> > education.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear RK Daa, Sri Chandrashekhar Ji, Nalini Ji andGroup,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I m surprised to see following is written by RK Daa, A> > > conclusion> > > > >

> > > > which has no clear endorsement in a classics -> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > A.) 5th can make for shrewdness even, when loaded,with> > > strength> > > > > > > > > from mixed kind (benefic and malefic). It givesability> > > to devise> > > > > > > > > plans> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > B.) The core vidya sthana is 4th house - Almostsimilar> > > opinion> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > given by Sri Chandrashekhar Ji.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I examined both the statements, Sorry, both needs> > serious> > > review,> > > > > >

> > > however, It's true that confusion between 4'th withand> > > 9'th with> > > > > > > > > 10'th for some common significations is quite normal,> > > Great BV> > > > > > > Raman> > > > > > > > > also could not reach any visible distinction, the> > answer> > > lies in> > > > > > > > > tradition, since cnturies such a tradition has been> > > continued in> > > > > > > > > several pockets of india, however, our classics are> > quite> > > clear> > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > primary and secondary kind of significations of the> > > bhavas.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To remove

the doubt of members and to put an end tothis> > > > > > > confusion,> > > > > > > > > which sometimes forces astrologer to stretch thebasics> > > to reach> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > justification, i m giving some shlokas of classics.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 4'th is unaminously called "Turya Sthaana", "Mitra> > Alaya"> > > > > > > or "Sukha> > > > > > > > > Sthaana", The shloka is -> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Turyasthan Sanstham Phalam tat Vakscha-Sthaanam> > Purushanam> > > > > > > Niruktam> > > > > > > > > (Principles or Ethics expressed) !>

> > > > > > > > Amba (Mother) BandhuKchhoni Mitralayanam (Public> > Support> > > by> > > > > > > friends> > > > > > > > > and relatives) Sarva Annanam (Food Grain, Yield of> > effort)> > > GramYug> > > > > > > > > Vahananaam (Land, Village, Vehicles).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5'th is unaminously called place for "Mati> > > Prabandhaha" , "Budhi> > > > > > > > > Prabandha" or Management of Mind and Intellect.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The shloka goes -> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. Mati Prabandhaha Sutabhe Nijodaram (One's own> > >

Children),> > > > > > > > > Vinaye(Modesty, Politeness)- Garbha-Sthiti, Mantra> > > Sadhanam> > > > > > > > > Modesty !!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. Santan Garbha Sthitineeti Sanstha, Mantradi Siddhi> > > Vinayash> > > > > > > Vidya> > > > > > > > > (Learning/Education ), Buddhi Prabandhaha Sutabhe> > > Vichintyam Etat> > > > > > > annu> > > > > > > > > JatakGyaha !!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now, where is the confusion, I think that was there> > > because the> > > > > > > 4'th> > > > > > > > > denotes how u keep what u acquire, the

immovables, so,> > the> > > > > > > knowledge> > > > > > > > > that you retain after studying a subject, is to beseen> > > from the> > > > > > > 4'th> > > > > > > > > not the education, study or ur's learning itself.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I w'd request RK Daa to review the 4'th house and> > > education in> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > own case, Why this placement has not given you abright> > > academic> > > > > > > > > education.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let's not misundersatand the primary and seconday> > > significations.> > >

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing> > > > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com>>> > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing%> > 40. com>>, "arkaydash"> > > > > > > > > <arkaydash@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Dear Nalini,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Your 4th house is aspected by its lord.Strengthened.> > > It is> > > > > > > > > aspected by> > > > > > > > > > Mercury, not by any other planet. Stenghtened and> > > imbued with> > > > > > > Mc,> > > > > > > > > right?> > > > > > > > > > Capable of quick learning. Mc in water sign.> > Intuitive.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > My understaning is that 4th speaks of how learnedone> > > is. If> > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > in> >

> > > > > > > > the care of its benefic lord and is by and large> > > unsullied by> > > > > > > > > malefic> > > > > > > > > > impact, learning is assured. If the care is with Mc,> > > have no> > > > > > > doubt.> > > > > > > > > Mc> > > > > > > > > > as 4th lord ensures that the real wealth is his orher> > > > > > > learning;> > > > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > tangible assets will gravitate in the goodness of> > time> > > via> > > > > > > Mercury's> > > > > > > > > > prasaada (grants). As lagna lord in debility, Mc> > spells> > > > > > >

periods of> > > > > > > > > > concern; when there is a bad run of dasa etc, health> > > may not> > > > > > > remain> > > > > > > > > > unassailed. Your fluctuating academic performances> > have> > > to be> > > > > > > seen> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > the context of the then operating dasa and transit.> > > Transit of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Big> > > > > > > > > > Two.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Third house has to do with dexeterity, manual. The> > act> > > of> > > > > > > writing

& > > > > > > > > > > communication & retention (dhruti) thus also> > patience.> > > Benefics> > > > > > > > > there: a> > > > > > > > > > person writes a good hand. His patience does not run> > > out.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The core vidya sthana is 4th house. With a strong,> > > unalloyed> > > > > > > 4th> > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > one cannot command vidya. Neither 5th, nor 9th can> > > compensate.> > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > intelligence in the sense of discernement. 9th

isthe> > > ability> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > process> > > > > > > > > > ideas, abstaract systems. 5th can make forshrewdness> > > even,> > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > loaded> > > > > > > > > > with strength from mixed kind (benefic and malefic).> > It> > > gives> > > > > > > > > ability to> > > > > > > > > > devise plans.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Well, 9th. Some other time.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing> > > > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com>>> > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com>>,nalini> > swamy> > > > > > > > > > <nalini2818@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Chandrasekhar ji, RK da,Lalit ji and> > others,> > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar.>

> > > > > > > > > > When it comes to handwriting, a native's chart> > where> > > Guru is> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > makara, lagna with exalted Sukra and neecha Budha> > yuti> > > in> > > > > > > Meena.> > > > > > > > > > > The native is left-handed when writing, eatingwith> > > > > > > implements> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > spoon, fork etc. Right-handed when it comes to using> > > bare> > > > > > > hands. The> > > > > > > > > > handwriting is terrible too. Is it due to neecha 3rd> > > lord? The> > > > > > > 3rd> > > > >

> > > > house> > > > > > > > > > here is not aspected by a malefic; Native dislikes> > > writing,> > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > > academic. Native has not done very well academically> > > despite> > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > intelligent as he does no like even to write the> > > answers in> > > > > > > full but> > > > > > > > > > just enough to get him through.> > > > > > > > > > > Now coming to academic excellence andgrades, in> > my> > > chart> > > > > > > my 4th> > > > > > > > > > bhava, Kanya, has

Rahu. The LL and 4th lord are in> > > Meena, deb,> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > Ketu> > > > > > > > > > and enemy Chandra. In Navamnsha, Budha and Ketu> > occupy> > > Karka,> > > > > > > again> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > do with Chandra in the 4th, and the lagna isRishaba(> > > yuti> > > > > > > dwiguru).> > > > > > > > > > > I have done extremely well in school, average in> > > > > > > Intermediate and> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > well in Graduation. Again average in Post-grad. I am> > > now doing> > > > > > >

a> > > > > > > > > > Bachelors and a post grad all over again... I am so> > > > > > > facscinated by> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > fact that the grades dont follow the pattern I> > mentioned> > > > > > > earlier. I> > > > > > > > > > started off very,very well and nose-dived in the 2nd> > > year. A> > > > > > > lot to> > > > > > > > > do> > > > > > > > > > with Gochara I suppose.> > > > > > > > > > > I also do well in abstract concepts and writing,> > not> > > very> > > > > > > good in> > > > > > > > > > science when it comes to grades.

Even in Jyotish, I> > am> > > helped> > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > intuitive stuff rather than mere astro conceptswhich> > > is also> > > > > > > why I> > > > > > > > > > hesitate to discuss charts (:> > > > > > > > > > > Love to have your inputs,> > > > > > > > > > > Nalini> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekh ar@> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing> > > > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com>>> > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com> > > > > <vedicastrol o gyandhealing% 40. com>>> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, 13 June, 2008 5:50:13 AM> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re:> > ShahJahan> > > and> > > > > > > > >

AurangJeb -> > > > > > > > > > AstroAnalysis (Related Q to Chandrashekarji)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > There is a difference between handwriting and> > Likhita> > > vidya.> > > > > > > It is> > > > > > > > > > only in these days that even 3 year old are taughtto> > > write> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > too two> > > > > > > > > > languages. Earlier till one attained 1st standard> > most> > > of the> > > > > > >

> > teaching> > > > > > > > > > was by making one memorize tables, shlokas and soon.> > > With> > > > > > > time the> > > > > > > > > > definition of what is Maukhik, Likhita, learnt for> > > getting> > > > > > > Gyaan> > > > > > > > > and so> > > > > > > > > > on changes. I remember the times when those who had> > done> > > > > > > > > Matriculation> > > > > > > > > > were considered highly educated. These days it isnot> > > uncommon> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > even rickshaw-wallas being graduates or even post> > >

graduates.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In your case did you notice that your 4th bhava is> > in> > > > > > > Papakartari> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > its lord Mercury is afflicted by Ketu occupying the> > > rasi of its> > > > > > > > > enemy> > > > > > > > > > Moon and that of Jupiter in Navamsha?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Think about this.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Our RK Da,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I find it's important to mention that lekhan> > > (writing) is> > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > related to 3'rd house not the 4'th, I have seen> > > dozens of the> > > > > > > > > cases> > > > > > > > > > > when 3rd is occupied by a malific (my own case)and> > if> > > > > > > aspected> > > > > > > > > by a> > > > > >

> > > > > malific (my 2 brother's case), one is not onlypoor> > in> > > > > > > writing> > > > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > > > stuff but his handwriting is also very very bad.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Also exclusively 4'th can not be graduation, my> > 4'th> > > house is> > > > > > > > > > > occupied by Venus, aspected by Ju, I did very bad> > in> > > my> > > > > > > > > graduation,> > > > > > > > > > > whereas in school and in my PG i did excellent.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th dominates in chart for

the judgement of> > > education.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@> > > > > <aling@ s.com,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK da,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I look to 2nd for education up to secondary> > level,> > > 4th for>

> > > > > > > > > > graduation> > > > > > > > > > > > and 5th for post graduation, 9th being the> > Doctoral> > > or> > > > > > > higher> > > > > > > > > > > education.> > > > > > > > > > > > Actually the 2nd is Maukhik (verbal) Vidya, 4th> > > Likhita> > > > > > > (written> > > > > > > > > > > word)> > > > > > > > > > > > vidya, 5th the Gyaan or acquired knowledge and> > 9th> > > higher> > > > > > > form> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > acquired knowledge.

However we have to fit this> > in> > > with the> > > > > > > > > > > current> > > > > > > > > > > > education pattern. May be if a person is doing> > > Ph.D. only> > > > > > > to get> > > > > > > > > > > > University scales and not for any worthwhile> > > research, we> > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > > look at> > > > > > > > > > > > it in the 4th bhava.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu does not become lord of the Bhavas, but in> > > Vimshottari> > > > > > > > > dashas> > > > > > > > > >

> he> > > > > > > > > > > > does give results like that of Mars who in the> > > instant case> > > > > > > > > > > happens to> > > > > > > > > > > > be Maraka, being 2nd and 7th lord. Since it also> > > gives> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn, depending on transits, it can also give> > > > > > > education , or> > > > > > > > > > > progeny> > > > > > > > > > > > depending on the person's age.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > >

> Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > arkaydash wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I would like to know how you read the> > > graduation> > > > > > > slab,> > > > > > > > > > > which is> > > > > > > > > > > > > neither higher education nor early education.> > > Please> > > > > > > tell.> > > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu giving Mars-like results isunderstandable> > > but to my> > > > > > > > > mind,> > > > > > > > > > > not to> > > > > > > > > > > > > the extent of replicating the lordship.> > Besides,> > > it is> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > Aries> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > Scorpio assigned secondarily to Ketu that we> > can> > > deduce> > > > > > > that,> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > it? The> > > > > > > > > > > > >

reading on mother and domicile front maystick.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we can examine the 2nd and 7th lordship> > > result of> > > > > > > Ketu> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > > > kuja-tulya phala after a look at the overall> > > chart. I> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart soon.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@> > > > > <aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%> > 40.> > > com>,> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RK Da,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could also indicate harm to mother or> > giving> > > up> > > > >

> > > > motherland.> > > > > > > > > > > It could> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also indicate problems in graduation slab of> > > education> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > even giving> > > > > > > > > > > > > > up education at that time. Ketu would also> > give> > > > > > > results of> > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in> > > > > > > > > > > > > its> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha and being like Mars the 2nd and 7th> > lord> > > could> > > > > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > > >

problems> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on marital front.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > arkaydash wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrasekharji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What if Saturn and Ketu are in 4th hse?You> > > have> > > > > > > alluded> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > Kapata> > > > > > > > > > >

> > Yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under Sat+Moon in 4th. Saturn+Ketu ipso> > facto> > > > > > > constitutes> > > > > > > > > > > saintly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disposition if I correctly remember your> > > observation> > > > > > > at> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > forum.> > > > > > > > > > > > > The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign in this case is Makara.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing@> > > > > <aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%> > 40.> > > com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%> > > 40.> > > > > > > com>,> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Saturn- Moon in 4th could indicate anold> > > large> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > also the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibility of a tendency of notspeaking> > > truth,> > > > > > > > > > > necessarily. It> > > > > > > > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also indicate a long lived mother.Saturn> > > or Moon> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > aspecting> > > > > > > > > > > > > the th> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > or 9th I do not think this could mean> > > fanaticism.> > > > > > > It is> > > > > > > > > > > more the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun+mars combination that couldsometimes> > > indicate> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > tendency> > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > showing off his religion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupitor's presence has confused me too> > > but Sat +> > > > > > > Moon> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > 4'th> > > > > > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Jup affliction by Saturn's aspect> > on> >

> it, as> > > > > > > well> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on lagna gave me thoughts to put the> > > chart in the> > > > > > > > > group> > > > > > > > > > > for a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Sat + Moon combo in 4'th house> > make> > > a

person> > > > > > > > > > > fanatic and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > barberic ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > aling@> > > > > <aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%> > 40.> > > com>> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%> > > 40.> > > > > > > com>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedicastrol ogyandhealing%> > > 40.> > > > > > > > > com>,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check your source.

With Aquarius and> > > Jupiter> > > > > > > in the> > > > > > > > > > > Lagna his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > history> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not suit the chart.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Dear Group and Elders,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Shahjahanama, author MullaAbdul> > > Hamid> > > > > > > Lahori> > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > given> > > > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unorganised astro contents, they> > tell> > > u> > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > > > > position> > > > > > > > > > > > > at> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time of various events. Presenting> > > Shahjahan> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > bad son> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aurangjeb's available horoscopic> > > details to> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > an> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > study of their horoscopes,focusing> > > on -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. massive killing and

oppressionof> > > > > > > siblings.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. enimical behavior with their> > > fathers.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. barbaric nature (more in caseof> > > > > > > Aurangjeb)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. exploitation of women ( keeping> > > hundreds> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > women> > > > > > > > > > > in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fort)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Aurangjeb's hate for music and> > >

dance> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. religious fanatism> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A ---> Aurangjeb> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dob : 03/11/1618> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tob : 20:05 (Acquarius Lagna, pls.> > > check the> > > > > > > > > time, m> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > sure)> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pob : somewhere in Gujrat.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The details i have are as follows-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius - Jup> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H : Sat + Moon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6h : Ketu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7H : Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9H : Sun +

Merc> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11H : Ven> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12: Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B.) And Shahjahan.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh my god, i forgot to note down> > his> > > birth> > > > > > > > > details,> > > > > > > > > > > any way> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reproducing> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > his horoscope> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Aquarius> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2H : Mars> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4H: Sat + Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8H: Moon> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10H : Ju> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11H : Sun + Ketu+Merc+Venus> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did a revolt against Father in> > > > > > > Rahu/Moon/Mars> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sani/Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his sons were killed by Aurangjeb> > > (another> > > > > > > Son).> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will give more details tomorrow.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >

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