Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 Valerie N. Livina, PhD 14 June 2008, 5:55 AM President ObamaIt is close to impossible to predict accurately for public persons, whose birth times, and sometimes even dates, are generally unknown or incorrect. Nevertheless, predicting for them is challenging and rewarding in publicity, and hundreds of astrologers keep testing various times for the same charts, discussing each other's opinions (although the only proof of the correctness of the data is the prediction that comes true). The most discussed public figures at the moments are, indeed, US presidential candidates. In the recent UAC08, there was an announcement, which was considered as rather reliable, about Barack Obama's birth in Honolulu on August 4, 1961, at 19:11. I emailed Sri K.N.Rao asking his opinion about the chart for this time, because I had lots of doubts regarding the Jyotish chart for 19:11, where in three major vargas (rasi, navamsa and dasamsa) rulers of 10th houses were placed in 6th, hardly promising the high elevation Obama has already achieved. Sri K.N.Rao generously shared his estimate of the time, pointing at 13:06. As I understand it, it was a result of his thorough rectification, and thus I felt confident to look at the chart for forecast. AK AmK BK MK PK GK DK Mars Sun Mercury Venus Jupiter Moon Saturn In this chart, Atmakaraka (AK) is Mars, Amatyakaraka (AmK) is Sun, Putrakaraka (PK) is retro Jupiter and Darakaraka (DK) is retro Saturn, which is also vargottama in own sign Capricorn and yogakaraka (ruler of 4th and 5th) for Libra ascendent. The chart is very strong, with multiple Rajayogas, exalted ruler of 10th, Amatyakaraka in 10th house and Atmakaraka in fruitful 11th house, with powerful Rahu. 10th house is very energised by aspects of four planets. In his present Vimsottari mahadasa of Jupiter (ruler of 10th house in dasamsa), from August 2008 to May 2009 Obama will be running antardasa of Sun (AmK in 10th in rasi) - this gives him a real chance. Yet, in dasamsa his 10th is on the Rahu-Ketu axis, and most Jaimini yogas disappear, except Amk-DK - and that's with Rahu. Note that after antardasa of Sun, there comes antardasa of Moon (2009-2010), which is aspected by Jaimini rajayoga of Amk-DK. His wife's involvement in his campaign is wellknown (DK aspecting 10th in dasamsa), and this influence can become more pronounced in the next antardasa - with influence of Nodes. But this is later. In Chara Dasa, at the time of November elections he will be running Virgo-Scorpio–Aries pratyantardasa (and on the day of the elections, time 13:06 promises Cancer and Leo sookshma-antardasas, which is really impressive: these are again 10th and 11th houses with AK and AmK). From Virgo, AmK Sun in placed in 11th; from Scorpio, AK is placed in 10th. In dasamsa, Virgo-Scorpio-Aries contain all four AmK, AK, PK and DK, and houses are 4th, 6th and 12th. This looks as a troublesome but rewarding period. This is the time to achieve. The ruler of dasamsa 10th house Jupiter is retro in 6th under double aspect of malefics, Mars from 12th and Saturn from 4th. In fact, this and the ruler of dasamsa ascendent Mercury in 12th aspected by Jupiter, retro Saturn and Mars explains some of the career events in his past. If Obama becomes president in November, 13.06 is the correct time of his birth. (Valerie is Russian working in the UK as a researcher in environmental sciences. She started studying western astrology in 1991 and Jyotish in 1999, practicing yoga since 1995. After meeting Sri K. N. Rao in 2002, she has been following his teaching in Jyotish, combining this with research in the western astrological tradition. She wrote a book of commentaries on the Cardano's aphorisms (the part of the well-known Anima Astrologiae of XVII century) and is now working, together with Russian astrologer Anton Grigoryev, on the Complete Seven Segments of Girolamo Cardano (the first translation from Latin). She writes an astrological blog at http://vlivina.blogstpot.com and her web-page is http://vlivina.googlepages.com (e-books available as free pdf-downloads). Post scriptFri, 13 Jun 2008Update.After posting this text, I received news about Obama's published birth certificate with time 19:24. As I mentioned above, rectifying birthtime is always tricky. When we attempt it, we bring, together with our knowledge, our illusions about the native, which we imprint in the rectification. I think, considering 13.06 chart, Obama was idealised - and my opinion about him, without chart, was rather different. As I look at this new chart, I am coming back to my old opinion. Yet another problem is that several times may describe the native similarly well, taking into account all the life events etc. Good exercise. Although I am not sure about his presidency now About Valerie LivinaLivina attended one of my classes in Moscow some years ago coming all the way from Israel where she was doing her PhD. Knowing English as she does, she had no difficulty in understanding me without the help of an interpreter. Since then she has read most of my and other books on Hindu astrology and developed and sharpened her predictive skills. She also came to Delhi an d spent some time learning astro-meteorology with me in which she seems to have developed a high level of proficiency as some of her writings appearing in different blogs show. Then, unlike Americans, she has, like a Russian, enough background of politics and sports which I found in Russia. She got interested in the election Obama and wrote to me. In turn I asked her to write an article for the website. Here it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 since this has been an ambiguity for many this is his correct time with proof of birth certificate please click on the certificate in the blog posting: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616 this is the a site that has his birth certificate his correct time is 7:24pm __________ Raja Gursahani (: 559.474.8576 ,: rajagursahani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 In our country we have ample evidencies how difficult and unreliable to venture predictions about public figs.Instance of 2004 general elections r instance and the guidance of nonelse than Shri K.N.Rao bears testimony to fact. Good post and significant analysis and really greatful vrkrishnan--- On Thu, 7/17/08, litsol <litsol wrote: litsol <litsol[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] PRESIDENT OBAMA ?Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 12:58 PM Valerie N. Livina, PhD 14 June 2008, 5:55 AM President ObamaIt is close to impossible to predict accurately for public persons, whose birth times, and sometimes even dates, are generally unknown or incorrect. Nevertheless, predicting for them is challenging and rewarding in publicity, and hundreds of astrologers keep testing various times for the same charts, discussing each other's opinions (although the only proof of the correctness of the data is the prediction that comes true). The most discussed public figures at the moments are, indeed, US presidential candidates. In the recent UAC08, there was an announcement, which was considered as rather reliable, about Barack Obama's birth in Honolulu on August 4, 1961, at 19:11. I emailed Sri K.N.Rao asking his opinion about the chart for this time, because I had lots of doubts regarding the Jyotish chart for 19:11, where in three major vargas (rasi, navamsa and dasamsa) rulers of 10th houses were placed in 6th, hardly promising the high elevation Obama has already achieved. Sri K.N.Rao generously shared his estimate of the time, pointing at 13:06. As I understand it, it was a result of his thorough rectification, and thus I felt confident to look at the chart for forecast. AK AmK BK MK PK GK DK Mars Sun Mercury Venus Jupiter Moon Saturn In this chart, Atmakaraka (AK) is Mars, Amatyakaraka (AmK) is Sun, Putrakaraka (PK) is retro Jupiter and Darakaraka (DK) is retro Saturn, which is also vargottama in own sign Capricorn and yogakaraka (ruler of 4th and 5th) for Libra ascendent. The chart is very strong, with multiple Rajayogas, exalted ruler of 10th, Amatyakaraka in 10th house and Atmakaraka in fruitful 11th house, with powerful Rahu. 10th house is very energised by aspects of four planets. In his present Vimsottari mahadasa of Jupiter (ruler of 10th house in dasamsa), from August 2008 to May 2009 Obama will be running antardasa of Sun (AmK in 10th in rasi) - this gives him a real chance. Yet, in dasamsa his 10th is on the Rahu-Ketu axis, and most Jaimini yogas disappear, except Amk-DK - and that's with Rahu. Note that after antardasa of Sun, there comes antardasa of Moon (2009-2010), which is aspected by Jaimini rajayoga of Amk-DK. His wife's involvement in his campaign is wellknown (DK aspecting 10th in dasamsa), and this influence can become more pronounced in the next antardasa - with influence of Nodes. But this is later. In Chara Dasa, at the time of November elections he will be running Virgo-Scorpio– Aries pratyantardasa (and on the day of the elections, time 13:06 promises Cancer and Leo sookshma-antardasas , which is really impressive: these are again 10th and 11th houses with AK and AmK). From Virgo, AmK Sun in placed in 11th; from Scorpio, AK is placed in 10th. In dasamsa, Virgo-Scorpio- Aries contain all four AmK, AK, PK and DK, and houses are 4th, 6th and 12th. This looks as a troublesome but rewarding period. This is the time to achieve. The ruler of dasamsa 10th house Jupiter is retro in 6th under double aspect of malefics, Mars from 12th and Saturn from 4th. In fact, this and the ruler of dasamsa ascendent Mercury in 12th aspected by Jupiter, retro Saturn and Mars explains some of the career events in his past. If Obama becomes president in November, 13.06 is the correct time of his birth. (Valerie is Russian working in the UK as a researcher in environmental sciences. She started studying western astrology in 1991 and Jyotish in 1999, practicing yoga since 1995. After meeting Sri K. N. Rao in 2002, she has been following his teaching in Jyotish, combining this with research in the western astrological tradition. She wrote a book of commentaries on the Cardano's aphorisms (the part of the well-known Anima Astrologiae of XVII century) and is now working, together with Russian astrologer Anton Grigoryev, on the Complete Seven Segments of Girolamo Cardano (the first translation from Latin). She writes an astrological blog at http://vlivina. blogstpot. com and her web-page is http://vlivina. googlepages. com (e-books available as free pdf-downloads). Post scriptFri, 13 Jun 2008Update.After posting this text, I received news about Obama's published birth certificate with time 19:24. As I mentioned above, rectifying birthtime is always tricky. When we attempt it, we bring, together with our knowledge, our illusions about the native, which we imprint in the rectification. I think, considering 13.06 chart, Obama was idealised - and my opinion about him, without chart, was rather different. As I look at this new chart, I am coming back to my old opinion. Yet another problem is that several times may describe the native similarly well, taking into account all the life events etc. Good exercise. Although I am not sure about his presidency now About Valerie LivinaLivina attended one of my classes in Moscow some years ago coming all the way from Israel where she was doing her PhD. Knowing English as she does, she had no difficulty in understanding me without the help of an interpreter. Since then she has read most of my and other books on Hindu astrology and developed and sharpened her predictive skills. She also came to Delhi an d spent some time learning astro-meteorology with me in which she seems to have developed a high level of proficiency as some of her writings appearing in different blogs show. Then, unlike Americans, she has, like a Russian, enough background of politics and sports which I found in Russia. She got interested in the election Obama and wrote to me. In turn I asked her to write an article for the website. Here it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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