UPA Government - Communist withdrawal/kshantaram, reflections!

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on reflecting,

 

to me it seems the vipareeta rajayoga of saturn/mars in the 12th has

worked benefiting the UPA Government, may be : with sun in the 10th at

the zenith putting manmohansinhji ahead as the leader again aspected

by jupiter from his own house/ignoring the badhakatwa - maybe keeping

the fingers crossed till the last moment; the moon in the 6th kumbha

rasi in the house of enemies has kept one guessing which way the

clouds will blow away or rain keeping the kumbha rahasya if we can say

so/converting some enemies into friends secretly; rahu/ketu being

alone have kept silent not getting into the action rather supporting

the vipareeta raja yoga rahu representing saturn/ketu representing

mars and giving the labha from the voting in favour of the country!

 

anyway, challenging moments for astrology!but interesting too!

 

 

with regards/kshantaram

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Frienda,

> I have been following the astrological points from quite some time

now from mundane point of view.To get involved in political affairs

and make any kind of predictions is not from from evils.yet father

joining the son(in prashna chart in saptambhava) that represents

multitudes ,other way democracy is a fight for others.other way is it

not a mockery?

> After some leaders very deceitfully chose as the woman having prime

minister stuff,I was aghast and thought how prasna chart would work in

her favour?

> Those things that happen in Gochara, significance is to be attached

from the point of view of prospects few leaders who are desperate from

the point of view " kissa Kurisi ka " .otherwise from the point of our

country we have limited options to rule soundly and bring cheers to

the public.we know from our Independence chart that we have to lay

paath for progress from EBC status to communally divided issues

through secular drive.Leaders are getting born and reborn and the

idealogies have no significant importance.

> brihaspati dristi from 10th house,that represents parliament is

having importance of vaulues and morals.Brihaspati in 10th aspecting

2nd house known for vaak and descent ,7th for the parties and

idealogies and 9th for the leader look to be infavour the motion

proposed.The present voting might not be an issue of win and defeat of

people.But then the politics that plague the antion from taking

ahead.unfortunate but then the play of palnets make issues confused.

> Maywati's idea to grab power is represented by makara lagna raising

in sravana nakshtra of moon.It is in the grab of Rahu a node acting

like dhanishta 2nd representd by mars indulging inredundant

exercise.opposing these ideas are all evil forces like ketu and papom

ko harnewaale sun(the leader).Please also note sun in punarvasu 4th is

making the leader adamant and want to stake his Govt for the sake of

this particular issue.

> Interestingly retrograde jupiter is aspecting planet of intellect by

palcement in 10th.

> For me consolation is jupiter in natal status is poorvashadha

represented by Rakshasa Guru-Sukra.what does this signify?Thwo Gurus

that is deva guru and brihaspati and Venus want the wish to fight for

the best and say the country is not in the hands of misrulerBeing

moksha bhava and also own house of sagittarus that is dual and fiery

is bringing emtions into play.

> Vargottama lagna,an earthy sign of 10th is related to matter related

to public indicating things are destined to be in favour of janata.So

what is the issue is not to fight against capitalist ideas, to fight

against those waiting to grab by taking solace in RAC and interest of

particular section of society against nuclear energy

> vrkrishnan.

>

> --- On Sat, 7/19/08, shantaramkhrd <shantaramkhrd wrote:

>

> shantaramkhrd <shantaramkhrd

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: UPA Government - Communist

withdrawal/kshantaram

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Saturday, July 19, 2008, 6:24 PM

if i could join and make an amaterish attempt,

>

> saturn lord of 6th house of employment is alongwith mars lord of the

> 8th moola trikona house lying together in the 12 house forming a

> viprareeta raja yoga, the UPA will give a tough fight especially

> Manmohansinhji could make a tough speech from the bed, with the moon

> opposing from the 6th.

>

> moon the lord of the 11th is 8th from the 11th in the 6th - loss of

> profit, again ketu is in the 11th indicating uprooting of profit; rahu

> negating th 6th, the job of governing by the UPA.

>

> jupiter the badhaka for kanya lagna is in the own house inthe 4th

> moola trikona sthana dhanu rashi in the kendra, enhancing the badhaka

> powers, and aspecting the 10th house of honour of the current

> government with unfriendly drishti on the mithuna rashi, ofcourse

> aspecing the 12th house and attempting to protect; the sun the lord of

> the 12th in the 10th could enhance the sense of loss/making for a big

> loss.

>

> if we presume manmohansinji stands for leo, it is the 12th house of

> the chart with the dispositor in the 10th house heightening the loss.

>

> the situation seems tricky; i personally lost my job when rahu was in

> the 5th and ketu in the 11th/loss of income to the UPA members.

>

> so let's wait and watch, whether such a story could repeat at a macro

> level/national level, making for a sad story perhaps!

>

> jupiter the lord of the 7th house of opposition is heightened in the

> 4th house, enhanching the power of the opposition, so watch!

>

> with regards/kshantaram

>

> ps : god save our dear manmohanjai, the vipareeta rajayoga, aspected

> by jupiter/helped by the oppositions false calculations, the sun in

> the labha sthana of the 12th, creating a huge profit from the seeming

> loss, with moon having chandrabala in the 6th, rahu/ketu alone for the

> moment, moon opposition saturn/mars creating the tension of survival

> from the 6th, saturn aspecting his own house in the 6th!

>

> let us watch which way the crackers celebrate! and we learn astrology

> by watching around!!

>

> -- In Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit ji,

> > Considering Parliament meets and moves motion on 22nd,say around

> 11.39,Rahu will be in 12th to 6th house governed by saturn.Moon will

> be in 6th in the sign of Aquarius a fixed where saturn moolatrikona

> rasi exists

> > .Moon in jupiter nakshtra at 20+degs.Atmakarak mercuri in 10th in

> own sign and also in punarvasu ruled by jupiter.

> > In 5th rahu acts like saturn and brings brainstorming and listless

> discussion in Parliament.

> > Sun though afflicted is in own sign in 2nd house in navamsa.Navamsa

> lagna lord in 10th aspected by jupiter retrograde from 4th.Mercury in

> 12th is also rasi vargottama.These mix up of things will have some

> balance and wisdom prevails finally.

> > vrkishnan

> >

> > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, litsol <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > litsol <litsol@>

> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: UPA Government - Communist

> withdrawal

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 10:55 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Pls. dont forget Rahu's role.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > Let me just transgress and also put the element of faith into the

> > thread,If Iam permitted.We r hearing Baba Barfani known otheriwse as

> > Lord Amarnathaji with his abode in unsurmountable Himalayas is

> > receeding.This threat is coming to even Lord through energy

> > represented by Mars.So a thought comes that nothing is impossible as

> > several politicians too think and act.

> > > All of us know Saturn as a slow man treads slowly to work for a

> > change and teach the ideals to normal way by posing hard and light

> > moments of life.saturn too is also a form of energy in cold shape (

> > may be consisting of wind/air and water).The driving forces of both

> > these planets a fast one and slow are different if at all we intend

> > to think in Natures ways.Saturn reperesents for masses and Mars

> > represents youth.So for the youth to be a goat and follow masses or

> > majority is difficult choice.In the process possibilty for

> > instability sets in as the direction is swayed into masses.Dictator

> > reprented by harshness and rigidity and lack of symapathy and execute

> > what he wants is jsut ont Mars alone but needs agreat amount of

> > support of Saturn too.He needs to freeze his mind to execure

> > depending only on his strength and and o then and there without

> > giving any room for good and bad to think.The Satwick Sun as a Royal

> > palnets and his cabinet work through cosmic

> > > universe to bring balance or otherwise.If it is destability a

> > perverted state that grips unknown fear due to uncertainity tries to

> > unseat rulers.Here majority or masses or the

> > > forces represented Saturn tend to take lead.If this can be termed

> > as Adharma and anarchy only to lead on to a clear a a quite and

> > peaceful path.This course ofcourse is not easy and can not be

> > attained in over night.The Nature very active in a dormant state

> > exerts make us to feel the way forces work,

> > > The UPA Govet destabilty found due to the palnets position in

> > gochara is bound to have impact on Natal forces for mena as well as

> > Nations.After seeing how two leaders fought betweeen themselvee for

> > democratic nominationa nd b4 that our neighbouring country

> > transforming in to democratic set up,we r gearing up for confusion

> > through nuclear deal only to sort our and take a path that can put

> > the Nation tact.Venus with ketu in Cancer, a movable water sign is

> > affecting the lord that is moon and the teacher or the learned

> > Jupiter coming in to a state of retrigression due to the influence of

> > Sun or the King in fiery sign of sagittarus is too strong and rigid

> > to precipatate issues.where as in progression chart for this time is

> > getting aspected by Mars in watery sign.The lagna I get while i think

> > of the issue is Pisces ruled by Jupiter,again a watery sign.Mars in

> > cancer in Navamsa in satru bhva is found to be very discomfortable as

> > the ttrverse fro from a fiery

> > > sign in lagna/rasi to watery sign to cancer only to get cooled off

> > and get a wafery acceptance of democrats.Nuclear is exoected to c

> > through our country to stabilise and bring back wisdom in politiacla

> > leadership.we can not think however to to think in short duaration.A

> > trial of strength means for me the planets in their true form r

> > trying to come out from the grip and control of Royal King and find

> > how they can also come into recognition. So saturn in fiery sign is

> > with discomfort under stress and in the company of Mars working like

> > the lord of sign that is Sun.

> > > Summary in the nd for me these exrtions of Nature do lead back to

> > us through collective wisdomto the road of success.venus in cancer

> > sign leads way to bring in harmony.

> > > vrkrishnan

> > > --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: UPA Government -

> > Communist withdrawal

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 3:43 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Pradeep,

> > >

> > > I have always held that Mars indicates the autocratic (I include

> > the old fashioned Communist regimes in that) and even military

> > regimes and Saturn the Democratic ones. I am sure you can understand

> > what happens when the field marshal attacks the institute of people

> > in the King's domain or Government. Need I explain more?

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji

> > >

> > > Thanks.It is the belessings of Gurus including you and Lord.

> > > It will be educative if you could explain your understanding

> > > regarding Mars behind Saturn.

> > >

> > > Respect

> > > Pradeep

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Pradeep,

> > > >

> > > > That was a good prediction. Happened almost when Mars was in a

> > > degree of

> > > > Saturn and behind Saturn. Interesting is that not so?

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Respected members

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to share the analysis done by me regarding

> > communist

> > > > > withdrawal, during september 2007.

> > > > >

> > > > > With God's and Guru's grace the period mentioned July-Aug 2008

> > has

> > > > > come true. I am posting the excerpts,including the

> > communication

> > > that

> > > > > i had in this group with Madhu ji during april 2008.

> > > > > ------------

> > > > > Dear Madhu ji

> > > > >

> > > > > To be honest,during my first mail,i was just analysing the

> > > political

> > > > > possibilities based on my intuituve inputs.It is purely HIS

> > grace.

> > > > >

> > > > > However a simultanoeus inlfuence of Saturn and Mars in Leo

> > > > > during/after the said months were considered.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > > 40. com>, " Balagurusurya "

> > > > > <balagurusurya@ > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear VP,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That made an interesting reading and also reflects your

> > > expertise in

> > > > > > Political Astrology .Thanks for sharing

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Just for the purpose of learning , what was the Astrological

> > > > > pointer for chosing Jul-Aug'08 as a turning point for UPA

> > > alliance ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best

> > > > > >

> > > > > > M Nair

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %

> > > 40. com>, " vijayadas_pradeep "

> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear members

> > > > >

> > > > > I am copying an analysis published in Jyotish group site last

> > > > > September

> > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishGro up/message/ 18468

> > > > > <http://groups. / group/JyotishGro up/message/ 18468>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus i feel the withdrawal,if any ,will happen only after july-

> > > August

> > > > > 2008.Thus one will try to enjoy power to

> > > > > maximum and then try to get mileage by withdrawing towards the

> > fag

> > > > > end.Planetary placements might be able to demonstrate this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regds

> > > > > Pradeep

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Shri Shantaram Ji,

The reverred Prime Minister(simple,sincere and honest) through the present position of Mercury in airy sign(lagna lord? of Independent chart,gave an opportunity gave an opprtunity to get initiated in to real political melo drama..Some body's loss is another's gain.I mean about SP 2 BSP equations that needed anlyses from the sign of Kumbha.Nodal planets brings add element of suspense.All that happened in 45 th hour of session to 52 hour of the crucial session.This must have made Prime Minister to divert to Vedic Scince and cite a reference with reference to the Opposition leader sitting at the fence to become Prime Minister.This is how I could think of about the referefence reverred subject.yeah ! I accept it as a challenge.

My mentor and Guru Shri KN Rao in 2004 after the unexpected coalition of congress came into power unseating the ruling party at that time,felt that the data of the leaders handed for analysis can never be taken as granted except to get be fooled by the flock of politicians.Such incidents in the politics have to be accepted in a dis belief.This is not the moment get petrubed by genuine and avid followers followere of Astrology.let's us also accept the famous citation of late BV Raman put in the page 1 of A.M in every issue..............."who else except Creator Brahma,Can say with certainity what will definetely happen?

regards

vrkrishnan--- On Wed, 7/23/08, shantaramkhrd <shantaramkhrd wrote:

shantaramkhrd <shantaramkhrd[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: UPA Government - Communist withdrawal/kshantaram, reflections!Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Wednesday, July 23, 2008, 8:19 PM

 

 

on reflecting,to me it seems the vipareeta rajayoga of saturn/mars in the 12th hasworked benefiting the UPA Government, may be : with sun in the 10th atthe zenith putting manmohansinhji ahead as the leader again aspectedby jupiter from his own house/ignoring the badhakatwa - maybe keepingthe fingers crossed till the last moment; the moon in the 6th kumbharasi in the house of enemies has kept one guessing which way theclouds will blow away or rain keeping the kumbha rahasya if we can sayso/converting some enemies into friends secretly; rahu/ketu beingalone have kept silent not getting into the action rather supportingthe vipareeta raja yoga rahu representing saturn/ketu representingmars and giving the labha from the voting in favour of the country!anyway, challenging moments for astrology!but interesting too!with regards/kshantaramVedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, vattem krishnan<bursar_99@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Frienda,> I have been following the astrological points from quite some timenow from mundane point of view.To get involved in political affairsand make any kind of predictions is not from from evils.yet fatherjoining the son(in prashna chart in saptambhava) that representsmultitudes ,other way democracy is a fight for others.other way is itnot a mockery?> After some leaders very deceitfully chose as the woman having primeminister stuff,I was aghast and thought how prasna chart would work inher favour?> Those things that happen in Gochara, significance is to be attachedfrom the point of view of prospects few leaders who are desperate fromthe point of view "kissa Kurisi ka".otherwise from the point of

ourcountry we have limited options to rule soundly and bring cheers tothe public.we know from our Independence chart that we have to laypaath for progress from EBC status to communally divided issuesthrough secular drive.Leaders are getting born and reborn and theidealogies have no significant importance.> brihaspati dristi from 10th house,that represents parliament ishaving importance of vaulues and morals.Brihaspati in 10th aspecting2nd house known for vaak and descent ,7th for the parties andidealogies and 9th for the leader look to be infavour the motionproposed.The present voting might not be an issue of win and defeat ofpeople.But then the politics that plague the antion from takingahead.unfortunate but then the play of palnets make issues confused.> Maywati's idea to grab power is represented by makara lagna raisingin sravana nakshtra of moon.It is in the grab of Rahu a node

actinglike dhanishta 2nd representd by mars indulging inredundantexercise.opposing these ideas are all evil forces like ketu and papomko harnewaale sun(the leader).Please also note sun in punarvasu 4th ismaking the leader adamant and want to stake his Govt for the sake ofthis particular issue.> Interestingly retrograde jupiter is aspecting planet of intellect bypalcement in 10th.> For me consolation is jupiter in natal status is poorvashadharepresented by Rakshasa Guru-Sukra.what does this signify?Thwo Gurusthat is deva guru and brihaspati and Venus want the wish to fight forthe best and say the country is not in the hands of misrulerBeingmoksha bhava and also own house of sagittarus that is dual and fieryis bringing emtions into play.> Vargottama lagna,an earthy sign of 10th is related to matter relatedto public indicating things are destined to be in favour of janata.Sowhat is

the issue is not to fight against capitalist ideas, to fightagainst those waiting to grab by taking solace in RAC and interest ofparticular section of society against nuclear energy> vrkrishnan. > > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, shantaramkhrd <shantaramkhrd@ ...> wrote:> > shantaramkhrd <shantaramkhrd@ ...>> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: UPA Government - Communistwithdrawal/kshantar am> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> Saturday, July 19, 2008, 6:24 PM> > > > > > > if i could join and make an amaterish attempt,> > saturn lord of 6th house of employment is alongwith mars lord of the> 8th moola trikona house lying together in the 12 house forming a> viprareeta raja yoga, the UPA will

give a tough fight especially> Manmohansinhji could make a tough speech from the bed, with the moon> opposing from the 6th.> > moon the lord of the 11th is 8th from the 11th in the 6th - loss of> profit, again ketu is in the 11th indicating uprooting of profit; rahu> negating th 6th, the job of governing by the UPA.> > jupiter the badhaka for kanya lagna is in the own house inthe 4th> moola trikona sthana dhanu rashi in the kendra, enhancing the badhaka> powers, and aspecting the 10th house of honour of the current> government with unfriendly drishti on the mithuna rashi, ofcourse> aspecing the 12th house and attempting to protect; the sun the lord of> the 12th in the 10th could enhance the sense of loss/making for a big> loss.> > if we presume manmohansinji stands for leo, it is the 12th house of> the chart with the dispositor in the

10th house heightening the loss.> > the situation seems tricky; i personally lost my job when rahu was in> the 5th and ketu in the 11th/loss of income to the UPA members.> > so let's wait and watch, whether such a story could repeat at a macro> level/national level, making for a sad story perhaps!> > jupiter the lord of the 7th house of opposition is heightened in the> 4th house, enhanching the power of the opposition, so watch!> > with regards/kshantaram> > ps : god save our dear manmohanjai, the vipareeta rajayoga, aspected> by jupiter/helped by the oppositions false calculations, the sun in> the labha sthana of the 12th, creating a huge profit from the seeming> loss, with moon having chandrabala in the 6th, rahu/ketu alone for the> moment, moon opposition saturn/mars creating the tension of survival> from the 6th, saturn

aspecting his own house in the 6th!> > let us watch which way the crackers celebrate! and we learn astrology> by watching around!!> > -- In Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, vattem krishnan> <bursar_99@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit ji,> > Considering Parliament meets and moves motion on 22nd,say around> 11.39,Rahu will be in 12th to 6th house governed by saturn.Moon will> be in 6th in the sign of Aquarius a fixed where saturn moolatrikona> rasi exists > > .Moon in jupiter nakshtra at 20+degs.Atmakarak mercuri in 10th in> own sign and also in punarvasu ruled by jupiter.> > In 5th rahu acts like saturn and brings brainstorming and listless> discussion in Parliament.> > Sun though afflicted is in own sign in 2nd house in navamsa.Navamsa> lagna lord in 10th aspected by jupiter retrograde from

4th.Mercury in> 12th is also rasi vargottama.These mix up of things will have some> balance and wisdom prevails finally.> > vrkishnan> > > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, litsol <litsol@> wrote:> > > > litsol <litsol@>> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: UPA Government - Communist> withdrawal> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 10:55 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. dont forget Rahu's role.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > Let me just transgress and also put the element of faith into the

> > thread,If Iam permitted.We r hearing Baba Barfani known otheriwse as > > Lord Amarnathaji with his abode in unsurmountable Himalayas is > > receeding.This threat is coming to even Lord through energy > > represented by Mars.So a thought comes that nothing is impossible as > > several politicians too think and act.> > > All of us know Saturn as a slow man treads slowly to work for a > > change and teach the ideals to normal way by posing hard and light > > moments of life.saturn too is also a form of energy in cold shape ( > > may be consisting of wind/air and water).The driving forces of both > > these planets a fast one and slow are different if at all we intend > > to think in Natures ways.Saturn reperesents for masses and Mars > > represents youth.So for the youth to be a goat and follow masses or > > majority is

difficult choice.In the process possibilty for > > instability sets in as the direction is swayed into masses.Dictator > > reprented by harshness and rigidity and lack of symapathy and execute > > what he wants is jsut ont Mars alone but needs agreat amount of > > support of Saturn too.He needs to freeze his mind to execure > > depending only on his strength and and o then and there without > > giving any room for good and bad to think.The Satwick Sun as a Royal > > palnets and his cabinet work through cosmic> > > universe to bring balance or otherwise.If it is destability a > > perverted state that grips unknown fear due to uncertainity tries to > > unseat rulers.Here majority or masses or the> > > forces represented Saturn tend to take lead.If this can be termed > > as Adharma and anarchy only to lead on to a clear a a quite

and > > peaceful path.This course ofcourse is not easy and can not be > > attained in over night.The Nature very active in a dormant state > > exerts make us to feel the way forces work,> > > The UPA Govet destabilty found due to the palnets position in > > gochara is bound to have impact on Natal forces for mena as well as > > Nations.After seeing how two leaders fought betweeen themselvee for > > democratic nominationa nd b4 that our neighbouring country > > transforming in to democratic set up,we r gearing up for confusion > > through nuclear deal only to sort our and take a path that can put > > the Nation tact.Venus with ketu in Cancer, a movable water sign is > > affecting the lord that is moon and the teacher or the learned > > Jupiter coming in to a state of retrigression due to the influence of > > Sun or the King

in fiery sign of sagittarus is too strong and rigid > > to precipatate issues.where as in progression chart for this time is > > getting aspected by Mars in watery sign.The lagna I get while i think > > of the issue is Pisces ruled by Jupiter,again a watery sign.Mars in > > cancer in Navamsa in satru bhva is found to be very discomfortable as > > the ttrverse fro from a fiery> > > sign in lagna/rasi to watery sign to cancer only to get cooled off > > and get a wafery acceptance of democrats.Nuclear is exoected to c > > through our country to stabilise and bring back wisdom in politiacla > > leadership.we can not think however to to think in short duaration.A > > trial of strength means for me the planets in their true form r > > trying to come out from the grip and control of Royal King and find > > how they can also come into

recognition. So saturn in fiery sign is > > with discomfort under stress and in the company of Mars working like > > the lord of sign that is Sun.> > > Summary in the nd for me these exrtions of Nature do lead back to > > us through collective wisdomto the road of success.venus in cancer > > sign leads way to bring in harmony.> > > vrkrishnan> > > --- On Tue, 7/15/08, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@> > > wrote:> > > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: UPA Government - > > Communist withdrawal> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 3:43 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > I have always held that Mars indicates the autocratic (I include > > the old fashioned Communist regimes in that) and even military > > regimes and Saturn the Democratic ones. I am sure you can understand > > what happens when the field marshal attacks the institute of people > > in the King's domain or Government. Need I explain more?> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji> > > > > > Thanks.It is the belessings of Gurus including you and Lord.> > > It will be educative if you could explain your understanding > > > regarding Mars behind Saturn.> > > > > > Respect> > > Pradeep> > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > > > That was a good prediction. Happened almost when Mars was in a > > > degree of > > > > Saturn and behind Saturn. Interesting is that not so?> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Respected members> > > > >> > > > > I would like to share the analysis done by me regarding > > communist> > > > > withdrawal, during september 2007.> > > > >> > > > > With God's and Guru's grace the period mentioned July-Aug 2008

> > has> > > > > come true. I am posting the excerpts,including the > > communication > > > that> > > > > i had in this group with Madhu ji during april 2008.> > > > > ------------> > > > > Dear Madhu ji> > > > >> > > > > To be honest,during my first mail,i was just analysing the > > > political> > > > > possibilities based on my intuituve inputs.It is purely HIS > > grace.> > > > >> > > > > However a simultanoeus inlfuence of Saturn and Mars in Leo> > > > > during/after the said months were considered.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %> > > 40. com>, "Balagurusurya"> > > > > <balagurusurya@ > wrote:> > > > > > Dear VP,> > > > > >> > > > > > That made an interesting reading and also reflects your > > > expertise in> > > > > > Political Astrology .Thanks for sharing> > > > > >> > > > > > Just for the purpose of learning , what was the Astrological> > > > > pointer for chosing Jul-Aug'08 as a turning point for UPA > > > alliance ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Best> > > > > >> > > > > > M Nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_

astrology > > > > > <ancient_ indian_astrology %> > > 40. com>, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear members> > > > >> > > > > I am copying an analysis published in Jyotish group site last> > > > > September> > > > > http://groups. / group/JyotishGro up/message/ 18468 > > > > > <http://groups. / group/JyotishGro up/message/ 18468>> > > > >> > > > > Thus i feel the withdrawal,if any ,will happen only after july-> > > August> > > > > 2008.Thus one will try

to enjoy power to> > > > > maximum and then try to get mileage by withdrawing towards the > > fag> > > > > end.Planetary placements might be able to demonstrate this.> > > > >> > > > > Regds> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>