Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Dear Chandrashekharji, members: We are told that yogas override the usual placement of planets in a chart. By usual, I mean this lord going to that house, and this planet being in such and such rasi. I came across a chart which displays quite a few rajayogas. We know that alongside the good yogas there would be some adverse yogas, some of them serious, undercutting the rajayogas. It makes sense to study yogas, both good and adverse, only in context – that is, with actual charts. The chart I have for case study here is one that has rajayoga-causing planets involving the tenth house and dhanayoga involving the 11th house. There is a panchamahapurusha yoga as also gaja-kesari yoga. The chart escapes kemadruma yoga. Briefly, the 11th house has Jup and Ven while the 10th house has lord Mec along with 9th lord Sun and 5th lord Mars. What are the strengths of the yogas present in the chart? Do serious adverse yogas or other underlying factors undercut the surface promises? How do we track such factors when they are present and where not to apply them? This I think is very important in the final lap of reading a chart. Some baseline cancellation-factors advanced by some are like this: weak lagna and bhagyabhava, by extension lagna lord and bhagya lord are malefic-afflicted; planets causing rajayoga are ill-disposed in vargas, especially navamsa; the dasa of rajayoga-causing planet(s) runs in childhood or old age; luminaries, esp. Sun, are in run-down state; (even) veeparita rajayoga(s) being present alongside emphatic rajayoga (?). [The last condition, I think, must be approached/handled not in abstraction but empirically.] The native is half way through lagna lord dasa which is Jup, but going by the run of antardasas in lagna lord's mahadasa, the rajayoga effects – the effects particularly of rajyesh in rajyasthana conjunct bhagyesh that is Sun – are none too foreseeable. Arguably, the mahadasa of planets linked to the rajyasthana is not in operation till after 60, when Mec mahadasa kicks in; the mahadasa of Mars involved in 10th house ran in childhood. Now, 10th house not coming into play by way of mahadasa – is that the overall decider in this case? The native is extroverted, sociable and has a large circle of contacts. A self-made person so far, he is a self-employed CA. He considers himself lucky as a husband. The chart is in the file section of the group under the name, 'kshitish chart'. RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Dear RKDa, Personally, I do not think yogas can overcome placement and bhava lordship of the grahas involved in any yoga. As a matter of fact I have commented heavily on this aspect in my book. I have commented on the effects of Gajkesari yoga, in different bhavas and rasis, extensively therein. Having said that let us come to your propositions and queries. 9th lord of the jataka being Sun the Lagna is obviously Dhanu. For Dhanu lagna Ravi-Budha do cause a strong Raj yoga. Guru the lagna Lord with Venus the 6th and 2nd Lord in 11th does indicate that he will earn by the dint of his own efforts. Jupiter having a tendency to harm the house occupied could mean he will not earn as much as he should or could. Mars, besides the 5th lord is also the lord of the 12th and if he gets some work from distant lands he could do very well. His son could as well join his business. The person is already a CA as you said so he must be earning quite well and the Raj yogas have already apparently been operating for him. I am sure he must be having some marital problems as Saturn in debility aspects the 7th but aspect of Jupiter from 11th will tone down the problems. He is running Jupiter Sun at present with Jupiter in Lagna and I would think he could have acquired or about to acquire some property at this point of time. His raj yogas would operate in Ketu, Mars and first half of Jupiter dashas/ antardashas etc when the benefics connect to the 11th or the 10th or in trine/ square position to them or 7th from them. He is born in around Abhijit muhurta and I would say his raj yogas are quite strong. He can have the capacity to become a leader of men, if he is that way inclined. I would think there would have been some deficiency in Pitru Sukha for him and his financial stage from the time he was born must be substantially high. Regards, Chandrashekhar. arkaydash wrote: Dear Chandrashekharji, members: We are told that yogas override the usual placement of planets in a chart. By usual, I mean this lord going to that house, and this planet being in such and such rasi. I came across a chart which displays quite a few rajayogas. We know that alongside the good yogas there would be some adverse yogas, some of them serious, undercutting the rajayogas. It makes sense to study yogas, both good and adverse, only in context – that is, with actual charts. The chart I have for case study here is one that has rajayoga-causing planets involving the tenth house and dhanayoga involving the 11th house. There is a panchamahapurusha yoga as also gaja-kesari yoga. The chart escapes kemadruma yoga. Briefly, the 11th house has Jup and Ven while the 10th house has lord Mec along with 9th lord Sun and 5th lord Mars. What are the strengths of the yogas present in the chart? Do serious adverse yogas or other underlying factors undercut the surface promises? How do we track such factors when they are present and where not to apply them? This I think is very important in the final lap of reading a chart. Some baseline cancellation-factors advanced by some are like this: weak lagna and bhagyabhava, by extension lagna lord and bhagya lord are malefic-afflicted; planets causing rajayoga are ill-disposed in vargas, especially navamsa; the dasa of rajayoga-causing planet(s) runs in childhood or old age; luminaries, esp. Sun, are in run-down state; (even) veeparita rajayoga(s) being present alongside emphatic rajayoga (?). [The last condition, I think, must be approached/handled not in abstraction but empirically.] The native is half way through lagna lord dasa which is Jup, but going by the run of antardasas in lagna lord's mahadasa, the rajayoga effects – the effects particularly of rajyesh in rajyasthana conjunct bhagyesh that is Sun – are none too foreseeable. Arguably, the mahadasa of planets linked to the rajyasthana is not in operation till after 60, when Mec mahadasa kicks in; the mahadasa of Mars involved in 10th house ran in childhood. Now, 10th house not coming into play by way of mahadasa – is that the overall decider in this case? The native is extroverted, sociable and has a large circle of contacts. A self-made person so far, he is a self-employed CA. He considers himself lucky as a husband. The chart is in the file section of the group under the name, 'kshitish chart'. RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Dear Chandrashekharji, Thanks. I think a final appraisal of a chart must rely on yogas where there are big-ticket yogas, either way -- on the principle here too of more-than-the-sum-of-parts. What I meant was not the blurring of bhava lordship of grahas involved in yogas, as that is almost always a component of a yoga. What is my considered (and largely received) opinion is that lords not involved in yogas going to this or that house falls by the wayside while yogas ride through. Thus, they (yogas) override. While I tend to accept the approach to allocating variable results for a rajayoga like this (be it Gajakesari or Panchamahapurusha or Adhiyoga or Amala Yoga) where lordship is not at issue, may I point out that such bhava- and rasi-based distinctions are not covered in any of the moola-granthas. Probably you have tested this approach well enough. Venus in the example chart is 11th & 6th lord. You say "...when the benefics connect to the 11th or the 10th or in trine/ square position to them or 7th from them..." Benefics in gochara? Thanking you again, RK Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear RKDa,> > Personally, I do not think yogas can overcome placement and bhava > lordship of the grahas involved in any yoga. As a matter of fact I have > commented heavily on this aspect in my book. I have commented on the > effects of Gajkesari yoga, in different bhavas and rasis, extensively > therein.> > Having said that let us come to your propositions and queries. 9th lord > of the jataka being Sun the Lagna is obviously Dhanu. For Dhanu lagna > Ravi-Budha do cause a strong Raj yoga. Guru the lagna Lord with Venus > the 6th and 2nd Lord in 11th does indicate that he will earn by the dint > of his own efforts. Jupiter having a tendency to harm the house occupied > could mean he will not earn as much as he should or could. Mars, besides > the 5th lord is also the lord of the 12th and if he gets some work from > distant lands he could do very well. His son could as well join his > business. The person is already a CA as you said so he must be earning > quite well and the Raj yogas have already apparently been operating for > him.> > I am sure he must be having some marital problems as Saturn in debility > aspects the 7th but aspect of Jupiter from 11th will tone down the problems.> > He is running Jupiter Sun at present with Jupiter in Lagna and I would > think he could have acquired or about to acquire some property at this > point of time.> > His raj yogas would operate in Ketu, Mars and first half of Jupiter > dashas/ antardashas etc when the benefics connect to the 11th or the > 10th or in trine/ square position to them or 7th from them. He is born > in around Abhijit muhurta and I would say his raj yogas are quite > strong. He can have the capacity to become a leader of men, if he is > that way inclined. I would think there would have been some deficiency > in Pitru Sukha for him and his financial stage from the time he was born > must be substantially high.> > Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > arkaydash wrote:> >> > Dear Chandrashekharji, members:> >> > We are told that yogas override the usual placement of planets in a > > chart. By usual, I mean this lord going to that house, and this planet > > being in such and such rasi.> >> > I came across a chart which displays quite a few rajayogas. We know > > that alongside the good yogas there would be some adverse yogas, some > > of them serious, undercutting the rajayogas. It makes sense to study > > yogas, both good and adverse, only in context -- that is, with actual > > charts. The chart I have for case study here is one that has > > rajayoga-causing planets involving the tenth house and dhanayoga > > involving the 11th house. There is a panchamahapurusha yoga as also > > gaja-kesari yoga. The chart escapes kemadruma yoga. Briefly, the 11th > > house has Jup and Ven while the 10th house has lord Mec along with 9th > > lord Sun and 5th lord Mars. > >> > What are the strengths of the yogas present in the chart? Do serious > > adverse yogas or other underlying factors undercut the surface > > promises? How do we track such factors when they are present and where > > not to apply them? This I think is very important in the final lap of > > reading a chart.> >> > Some baseline cancellation-factors advanced by some are like this: > > weak lagna and bhagyabhava, by extension lagna lord and bhagya lord > > are malefic-afflicted; planets causing rajayoga are ill-disposed in > > vargas, especially navamsa; the dasa of rajayoga-causing planet(s) > > runs in childhood or old age; luminaries, esp. Sun, are in run-down > > state; (even) veeparita rajayoga(s) being present alongside emphatic > > rajayoga (?). [The last condition, I think, must be approached/handled > > not in abstraction but empirically.]> >> > The native is half way through lagna lord dasa which is Jup, but going > > by the run of antardasas in lagna lord's mahadasa, the rajayoga > > effects -- the effects particularly of rajyesh in rajyasthana conjunct > > bhagyesh that is Sun -- are none too foreseeable. Arguably, the > > mahadasa of planets linked to the rajyasthana is not in operation till > > after 60, when Mec mahadasa kicks in; the mahadasa of Mars involved in > > 10^th house ran in childhood. Now, 10^th house not coming into play by > > way of mahadasa -- is that the overall decider in this case?> >> > The native is extroverted, sociable and has a large circle of > > contacts. A self-made person so far, he is a self-employed CA. He > > considers himself lucky as a husband.> >> > The chart is in the file section of the group under the name, > > _'kshitish chart'_.> >> > RK> >> > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Res Sir, Yes, Your's book is the first ever book on astrology that i purchased, I liked that very much, I have read the chapter where u discussed Gaj-Kesari Yoga. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear RKDa, > > Personally, I do not think yogas can overcome placement and bhava > lordship of the grahas involved in any yoga. As a matter of fact I have > commented heavily on this aspect in my book. I have commented on the > effects of Gajkesari yoga, in different bhavas and rasis, extensively > therein. > > Having said that let us come to your propositions and queries. 9th lord > of the jataka being Sun the Lagna is obviously Dhanu. For Dhanu lagna > Ravi-Budha do cause a strong Raj yoga. Guru the lagna Lord with Venus > the 6th and 2nd Lord in 11th does indicate that he will earn by the dint > of his own efforts. Jupiter having a tendency to harm the house occupied > could mean he will not earn as much as he should or could. Mars, besides > the 5th lord is also the lord of the 12th and if he gets some work from > distant lands he could do very well. His son could as well join his > business. The person is already a CA as you said so he must be earning > quite well and the Raj yogas have already apparently been operating for > him. > > I am sure he must be having some marital problems as Saturn in debility > aspects the 7th but aspect of Jupiter from 11th will tone down the problems. > > He is running Jupiter Sun at present with Jupiter in Lagna and I would > think he could have acquired or about to acquire some property at this > point of time. > > His raj yogas would operate in Ketu, Mars and first half of Jupiter > dashas/ antardashas etc when the benefics connect to the 11th or the > 10th or in trine/ square position to them or 7th from them. He is born > in around Abhijit muhurta and I would say his raj yogas are quite > strong. He can have the capacity to become a leader of men, if he is > that way inclined. I would think there would have been some deficiency > in Pitru Sukha for him and his financial stage from the time he was born > must be substantially high. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > arkaydash wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, members: > > > > We are told that yogas override the usual placement of planets in a > > chart. By usual, I mean this lord going to that house, and this planet > > being in such and such rasi. > > > > I came across a chart which displays quite a few rajayogas. We know > > that alongside the good yogas there would be some adverse yogas, some > > of them serious, undercutting the rajayogas. It makes sense to study > > yogas, both good and adverse, only in context -- that is, with actual > > charts. The chart I have for case study here is one that has > > rajayoga-causing planets involving the tenth house and dhanayoga > > involving the 11th house. There is a panchamahapurusha yoga as also > > gaja-kesari yoga. The chart escapes kemadruma yoga. Briefly, the 11th > > house has Jup and Ven while the 10th house has lord Mec along with 9th > > lord Sun and 5th lord Mars. > > > > What are the strengths of the yogas present in the chart? Do serious > > adverse yogas or other underlying factors undercut the surface > > promises? How do we track such factors when they are present and where > > not to apply them? This I think is very important in the final lap of > > reading a chart. > > > > Some baseline cancellation-factors advanced by some are like this: > > weak lagna and bhagyabhava, by extension lagna lord and bhagya lord > > are malefic-afflicted; planets causing rajayoga are ill-disposed in > > vargas, especially navamsa; the dasa of rajayoga-causing planet (s) > > runs in childhood or old age; luminaries, esp. Sun, are in run- down > > state; (even) veeparita rajayoga(s) being present alongside emphatic > > rajayoga (?). [The last condition, I think, must be approached/handled > > not in abstraction but empirically.] > > > > The native is half way through lagna lord dasa which is Jup, but going > > by the run of antardasas in lagna lord's mahadasa, the rajayoga > > effects -- the effects particularly of rajyesh in rajyasthana conjunct > > bhagyesh that is Sun -- are none too foreseeable. Arguably, the > > mahadasa of planets linked to the rajyasthana is not in operation till > > after 60, when Mec mahadasa kicks in; the mahadasa of Mars involved in > > 10^th house ran in childhood. Now, 10^th house not coming into play by > > way of mahadasa -- is that the overall decider in this case? > > > > The native is extroverted, sociable and has a large circle of > > contacts. A self-made person so far, he is a self-employed CA. He > > considers himself lucky as a husband. > > > > The chart is in the file section of the group under the name, > > _'kshitish chart'_. > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Sir, Interesting in this topic is link to abhijit muhurat for fructification of yoga.You mean at about birth at abhijit muhurat/or abhijit nakshtra.Kindly provide light on this direction vrkrishnan--- On Sat, 8/2/08, litsol <litsol wrote: litsol <litsol[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: yoga vicharVedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 6:22 AM Res Sir,Yes, Your's book is the first ever book on astrology that i purchased, I liked that very much, I have read the chapter where u discussed Gaj-Kesari Yoga.regards,Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har wrote:>> Dear RKDa,> > Personally, I do not think yogas can overcome placement and bhava > lordship of the grahas involved in any yoga. As a matter of fact I have > commented heavily on this aspect in my book. I have commented on the > effects of Gajkesari yoga, in different bhavas and rasis, extensively > therein.> > Having said that let us come to your propositions and queries. 9th lord > of the jataka being Sun the Lagna is obviously Dhanu. For Dhanu lagna > Ravi-Budha do cause a strong Raj yoga. Guru the lagna Lord with Venus > the 6th and 2nd Lord in 11th does indicate that he will earn by the dint > of his own efforts. Jupiter having a tendency to harm the house occupied > could mean he will not earn as much as he should or could. Mars, besides > the 5th lord is also the lord of the 12th and if he gets some work from > distant lands he could do very well. His son could as well join his > business. The person is already a CA as you said so he must be earning > quite well and the Raj yogas have already apparently been operating for > him.> > I am sure he must be having some marital problems as Saturn in debility > aspects the 7th but aspect of Jupiter from 11th will tone down the problems.> > He is running Jupiter Sun at present with Jupiter in Lagna and I would > think he could have acquired or about to acquire some property at this > point of time.> > His raj yogas would operate in Ketu, Mars and first half of Jupiter > dashas/ antardashas etc when the benefics connect to the 11th or the > 10th or in trine/ square position to them or 7th from them. He is born > in around Abhijit muhurta and I would say his raj yogas are quite > strong. He can have the capacity to become a leader of men, if he is > that way inclined. I would think there would have been some deficiency > in Pitru Sukha for him and his financial stage from the time he was born > must be substantially high.> > Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > arkaydash wrote:> >> > Dear Chandrashekharji, members:> >> > We are told that yogas override the usual placement of planets in a > > chart. By usual, I mean this lord going to that house, and this planet > > being in such and such rasi.> >> > I came across a chart which displays quite a few rajayogas. We know > > that alongside the good yogas there would be some adverse yogas, some > > of them serious, undercutting the rajayogas. It makes sense to study > > yogas, both good and adverse, only in context -- that is, with actual > > charts. The chart I have for case study here is one that has > > rajayoga-causing planets involving the tenth house and dhanayoga > > involving the 11th house. There is a panchamahapurusha yoga as also > > gaja-kesari yoga. The chart escapes kemadruma yoga. Briefly, the 11th > > house has Jup and Ven while the 10th house has lord Mec along with 9th > > lord Sun and 5th lord Mars. > >> > What are the strengths of the yogas present in the chart? Do serious > > adverse yogas or other underlying factors undercut the surface > > promises? How do we track such factors when they are present and where > > not to apply them? This I think is very important in the final lap of > > reading a chart.> >> > Some baseline cancellation- factors advanced by some are like this: > > weak lagna and bhagyabhava, by extension lagna lord and bhagya lord > > are malefic-afflicted; planets causing rajayoga are ill-disposed in > > vargas, especially navamsa; the dasa of rajayoga-causing planet(s) > > runs in childhood or old age; luminaries, esp. Sun, are in run-down > > state; (even) veeparita rajayoga(s) being present alongside emphatic > > rajayoga (?). [The last condition, I think, must be approached/handled > > not in abstraction but empirically. ]> >> > The native is half way through lagna lord dasa which is Jup, but going > > by the run of antardasas in lagna lord's mahadasa, the rajayoga > > effects -- the effects particularly of rajyesh in rajyasthana conjunct > > bhagyesh that is Sun -- are none too foreseeable. Arguably, the > > mahadasa of planets linked to the rajyasthana is not in operation till > > after 60, when Mec mahadasa kicks in; the mahadasa of Mars involved in > > 10^th house ran in childhood. Now, 10^th house not coming into play by > > way of mahadasa -- is that the overall decider in this case?> >> > The native is extroverted, sociable and has a large circle of > > contacts. A self-made person so far, he is a self-employed CA. He > > considers himself lucky as a husband.> >> > The chart is in the file section of the group under the name, > > _'kshitish chart'_.> >> > RK> >> > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Dear RKda, I can see what you mean. What I have written is my personal experience as well understanding of the texts. By the way, the Moola grathas do indicate that bhavas and their lordships are important. For example, Kalyan Verma in Saravali does say that not even a step can be taken in prediction unless one takes into consideration the Bhava lordships etc. Almost all classics, including BPHS, tell about the results of one bhava lord in other bhavas, before they go on to talk about specific yogas. You will also find it interesting to observe that some of the Nabhasa yogas that are given in the texts can not occur at all as they are an astronomical impossibility and Varaha Mihira does comment on this in his Brihat Jataka. That again is why I do not think yogas override other factors like placement bhava ownership etc. I am sure you must also have observed the occurrence of classical Pravrajya yoga of 4 or more planets in one house, in many charts where the Jataka is anything but a renunciate if they occur in any bhava other than 1.7,8 or 12thy and that too if the bhava lordship of the grahas supports that. I have also had the good fortune to get the birth details of some enunciates from themselves and though they do not have the classic Pravrajya yogas, the bhava lord placement does indicate that they will renounce this material world for spiritual pursuit. Yes, I was talking about gochar shubha graha coming in trine or square to them. Regards, Chandrashekhar. arkaydash wrote: Dear Chandrashekharji, Thanks. I think a final appraisal of a chart must rely on yogas where there are big-ticket yogas, either way -- on the principle here too of more-than-the-sum-of-parts. What I meant was not the blurring of bhava lordship of grahas involved in yogas, as that is almost always a component of a yoga. What is my considered (and largely received) opinion is that lords not involved in yogas going to this or that house falls by the wayside while yogas ride through. Thus, they (yogas) override. While I tend to accept the approach to allocating variable results for a rajayoga like this (be it Gajakesari or Panchamahapurusha or Adhiyoga or Amala Yoga) where lordship is not at issue, may I point out that such bhava- and rasi-based distinctions are not covered in any of the moola-granthas. Probably you have tested this approach well enough. Venus in the example chart is 11th & 6th lord. You say "...when the benefics connect to the 11th or the 10th or in trine/ square position to them or 7th from them..." Benefics in gochara? Thanking you again, RK Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear RKDa, > > Personally, I do not think yogas can overcome placement and bhava > lordship of the grahas involved in any yoga. As a matter of fact I have > commented heavily on this aspect in my book. I have commented on the > effects of Gajkesari yoga, in different bhavas and rasis, extensively > therein. > > Having said that let us come to your propositions and queries. 9th lord > of the jataka being Sun the Lagna is obviously Dhanu. For Dhanu lagna > Ravi-Budha do cause a strong Raj yoga. Guru the lagna Lord with Venus > the 6th and 2nd Lord in 11th does indicate that he will earn by the dint > of his own efforts. Jupiter having a tendency to harm the house occupied > could mean he will not earn as much as he should or could. Mars, besides > the 5th lord is also the lord of the 12th and if he gets some work from > distant lands he could do very well. His son could as well join his > business. The person is already a CA as you said so he must be earning > quite well and the Raj yogas have already apparently been operating for > him. > > I am sure he must be having some marital problems as Saturn in debility > aspects the 7th but aspect of Jupiter from 11th will tone down the problems. > > He is running Jupiter Sun at present with Jupiter in Lagna and I would > think he could have acquired or about to acquire some property at this > point of time. > > His raj yogas would operate in Ketu, Mars and first half of Jupiter > dashas/ antardashas etc when the benefics connect to the 11th or the > 10th or in trine/ square position to them or 7th from them. He is born > in around Abhijit muhurta and I would say his raj yogas are quite > strong. He can have the capacity to become a leader of men, if he is > that way inclined. I would think there would have been some deficiency > in Pitru Sukha for him and his financial stage from the time he was born > must be substantially high. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > arkaydash wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, members: > > > > We are told that yogas override the usual placement of planets in a > > chart. By usual, I mean this lord going to that house, and this planet > > being in such and such rasi. > > > > I came across a chart which displays quite a few rajayogas. We know > > that alongside the good yogas there would be some adverse yogas, some > > of them serious, undercutting the rajayogas. It makes sense to study > > yogas, both good and adverse, only in context -- that is, with actual > > charts. The chart I have for case study here is one that has > > rajayoga-causing planets involving the tenth house and dhanayoga > > involving the 11th house. There is a panchamahapurusha yoga as also > > gaja-kesari yoga. The chart escapes kemadruma yoga. Briefly, the 11th > > house has Jup and Ven while the 10th house has lord Mec along with 9th > > lord Sun and 5th lord Mars. > > > > What are the strengths of the yogas present in the chart? Do serious > > adverse yogas or other underlying factors undercut the surface > > promises? How do we track such factors when they are present and where > > not to apply them? This I think is very important in the final lap of > > reading a chart. > > > > Some baseline cancellation-factors advanced by some are like this: > > weak lagna and bhagyabhava, by extension lagna lord and bhagya lord > > are malefic-afflicted; planets causing rajayoga are ill-disposed in > > vargas, especially navamsa; the dasa of rajayoga-causing planet(s) > > runs in childhood or old age; luminaries, esp. Sun, are in run-down > > state; (even) veeparita rajayoga(s) being present alongside emphatic > > rajayoga (?). [The last condition, I think, must be approached/handled > > not in abstraction but empirically.] > > > > The native is half way through lagna lord dasa which is Jup, but going > > by the run of antardasas in lagna lord's mahadasa, the rajayoga > > effects -- the effects particularly of rajyesh in rajyasthana conjunct > > bhagyesh that is Sun -- are none too foreseeable. Arguably, the > > mahadasa of planets linked to the rajyasthana is not in operation till > > after 60, when Mec mahadasa kicks in; the mahadasa of Mars involved in > > 10^th house ran in childhood. Now, 10^th house not coming into play by > > way of mahadasa -- is that the overall decider in this case? > > > > The native is extroverted, sociable and has a large circle of > > contacts. A self-made person so far, he is a self-employed CA. He > > considers himself lucky as a husband. > > > > The chart is in the file section of the group under the name, > > _'kshitish chart'_. > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Dear Lalit, I am sure you found that what is said of Gajkesari yoga, therein, does fit real life charts. take care, Chandrashekhar. litsol wrote: Res Sir, Yes, Your's book is the first ever book on astrology that i purchased, I liked that very much, I have read the chapter where u discussed Gaj-Kesari Yoga. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Dear RKDa, > > Personally, I do not think yogas can overcome placement and bhava > lordship of the grahas involved in any yoga. As a matter of fact I have > commented heavily on this aspect in my book. I have commented on the > effects of Gajkesari yoga, in different bhavas and rasis, extensively > therein. > > Having said that let us come to your propositions and queries. 9th lord > of the jataka being Sun the Lagna is obviously Dhanu. For Dhanu lagna > Ravi-Budha do cause a strong Raj yoga. Guru the lagna Lord with Venus > the 6th and 2nd Lord in 11th does indicate that he will earn by the dint > of his own efforts. Jupiter having a tendency to harm the house occupied > could mean he will not earn as much as he should or could. Mars, besides > the 5th lord is also the lord of the 12th and if he gets some work from > distant lands he could do very well. His son could as well join his > business. The person is already a CA as you said so he must be earning > quite well and the Raj yogas have already apparently been operating for > him. > > I am sure he must be having some marital problems as Saturn in debility > aspects the 7th but aspect of Jupiter from 11th will tone down the problems. > > He is running Jupiter Sun at present with Jupiter in Lagna and I would > think he could have acquired or about to acquire some property at this > point of time. > > His raj yogas would operate in Ketu, Mars and first half of Jupiter > dashas/ antardashas etc when the benefics connect to the 11th or the > 10th or in trine/ square position to them or 7th from them. He is born > in around Abhijit muhurta and I would say his raj yogas are quite > strong. He can have the capacity to become a leader of men, if he is > that way inclined. I would think there would have been some deficiency > in Pitru Sukha for him and his financial stage from the time he was born > must be substantially high. > > Regards, > Chandrashekhar. > > arkaydash wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekharji, members: > > > > We are told that yogas override the usual placement of planets in a > > chart. By usual, I mean this lord going to that house, and this planet > > being in such and such rasi. > > > > I came across a chart which displays quite a few rajayogas. We know > > that alongside the good yogas there would be some adverse yogas, some > > of them serious, undercutting the rajayogas. It makes sense to study > > yogas, both good and adverse, only in context -- that is, with actual > > charts. The chart I have for case study here is one that has > > rajayoga-causing planets involving the tenth house and dhanayoga > > involving the 11th house. There is a panchamahapurusha yoga as also > > gaja-kesari yoga. The chart escapes kemadruma yoga. Briefly, the 11th > > house has Jup and Ven while the 10th house has lord Mec along with 9th > > lord Sun and 5th lord Mars. > > > > What are the strengths of the yogas present in the chart? Do serious > > adverse yogas or other underlying factors undercut the surface > > promises? How do we track such factors when they are present and where > > not to apply them? This I think is very important in the final lap of > > reading a chart. > > > > Some baseline cancellation-factors advanced by some are like this: > > weak lagna and bhagyabhava, by extension lagna lord and bhagya lord > > are malefic-afflicted; planets causing rajayoga are ill-disposed in > > vargas, especially navamsa; the dasa of rajayoga-causing planet (s) > > runs in childhood or old age; luminaries, esp. Sun, are in run- down > > state; (even) veeparita rajayoga(s) being present alongside emphatic > > rajayoga (?). [The last condition, I think, must be approached/handled > > not in abstraction but empirically.] > > > > The native is half way through lagna lord dasa which is Jup, but going > > by the run of antardasas in lagna lord's mahadasa, the rajayoga > > effects -- the effects particularly of rajyesh in rajyasthana conjunct > > bhagyesh that is Sun -- are none too foreseeable. Arguably, the > > mahadasa of planets linked to the rajyasthana is not in operation till > > after 60, when Mec mahadasa kicks in; the mahadasa of Mars involved in > > 10^th house ran in childhood. Now, 10^th house not coming into play by > > way of mahadasa -- is that the overall decider in this case? > > > > The native is extroverted, sociable and has a large circle of > > contacts. A self-made person so far, he is a self-employed CA. He > > considers himself lucky as a husband. > > > > The chart is in the file section of the group under the name, > > _'kshitish chart'_. > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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