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Dear Sir,

There are yogas known popularly to most people, though, The Jatak Tatwa contains thousands of the yogas. Howebver, at various other classics lot many yogas are given.

As i said, The yoga i mentioned to have seen in Indira Ji's chart is given in Kalyan Verma's Sarawali :

He says : Bhupatim Anupam Veeryam Nripati Gunauha MrigeJatam, BahuDarPutra Mitram Janayati GuruVeekschhitah Chandraha !!

Above shloka is an exception to Karka lagna born natives as mentioned in the classic.

I wanted you and other elders to look at how perfectly 365 day's based dasha results match with the events happened Indira Ji's life. A perfect example, A fitting example.

Assassination : Despite trying hard and applying lot's of methods Sri K.N Rao could not pin point the very reason why she got assasinated when Mars and 8'th house has no role in her chart, In fact, people have common tendency to explore only obvious, Though Sri K.N Rao is still doing research with same jeal that we are doing in our group, he didn't reach the exact cause.

The cause is pretty simple, 11'th lord's placement in 6'th and 6'th lord's placement in 11th, Jatak Tatwa is very clear :

1. " Vari Pato (6'th lord) Labhgate Krure Maranam Vipakschhato Bhavati Taskar Krita Hanih"

2. "Labha Adhipe Sasthagate SuVairam.... Mritim SamaaApnoti cha ChaurHastat".

Above shows the possible cause of death in her chart, when a pattern of life came in "Saturn (7'th lord)/Rahu (placed in 6'th )/Rahu, "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of attacks like assault by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"

As Parashara states, kindly note the activism of rahu in 6'th in this context. They security gauards killed her in a thievish manner as given in the classic.

regards,Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

regards,Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > If I remember well Maharaj yoga is said to arise when the lord of lagna > and Lord of the 5th exchange their rasis and in aspect of a benefic. > Another variation is when the Chara Atmakaraka and Putrakaraka similarly > exchange rasis and like the first one occupy the Lagna or the 5th or in > exaltation own etc. Rasis in aspect of a benefic it is caused.> > Which Maharaj yoga are you referring to here?> > > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > litsol wrote:> >> > Dear Gurus and Groups,> >> > In order to prove the perfection of Vmishottari Dasha, Pls. check the > > Smt Indira Gandhi's case.> >> > This has been a critical chart for most astro stalwards, however, > > those who read clasics, it was just another chart to analyse, I spent > > some time on this chart to show how deep we can go and how far we can > > see with the help of astrology in reading one's life, Asrtology is a > > tool to understand one's own life> >> > It's easy to find a* powerful Mahaaraj Yoga*, it's an exception given > > to Moon placed in Capricorn aspected by Jupitor from Taurus, which is > > placed in house of gains 11'th, I have seen people are running from > > piller to post to find explanations by exchange etc, this happens when > > a person does not have knowledge of classics like those people who are > > trying to convince u not to look at their flaws, This man with Saturn > > + Ketu in lagna needs to be pinned down, let's focus on our case study -> >> > *Indira Ji's Death :* Sri K.N Rao has tried 4 different methods to > > find a timing and astrological cause for her assasination, In his > > book, I found all the times he is missing the key, Just have a look at > > the dasha sequence : She was running *Saturn (7'th lord)/Rahu (placed > > in 6'th )/Rahu, Parashara states : * > >> > "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of attacks like assault > > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"> >> > See, how close our sage is in his judgements, Above result is found > > only applying 365 day's based dasha sequence.> >> > *Indira j's Marriage : *See the 365 day's dasha sequence, in the > > mahadasha of Rahu who is conjunct Venus placed in 6'th, I have 6'th > > house gives liking for others, Rahu has done it's work and she liked > > to lead a life with Feroz Gandhi, Saturn the 7'th lord's AntarDasha > > was running and this 7'th lord is placed in Lagna, The famous, Saturn > > - Moon axis, in lagna and in 7'th ensures the widowhood, the dasha > > sequence was *Rahu/Saturn/Saturn, The marriage happened in March 1942.*> >> > /*First ministery after Father's death :* June 1964, The dasha > > sequence is /* Jupiter/Venus/Jupiter, Parashara says - * Opulent > > wealth, acquisition of kingdom, clothes, pearls etc., jewellery, > > elephant, horse and position (grade)> >> > Do u notice, the functioning of Maharaja Yoga, how Ju forms in Smt > > Indira's horoscope, confers her Ministership in it's Period and > > subperiod of Venus.> >> > Prime Ministershp : See again how component's of Maharaj Yoga's are > > working, She became Indian Prime Minister in 1972 in > > *Saturn/Saturn/Venus/Jupitor period. You can also learn Venus and > > Jupitor are not mutual enemy, rather they act as complementary to each > > other.*> >> > *I have found Guru/Sukra's functioning quite opposit to what Sri K.N > > Rao stated in his book - Nehru Dynasty.*> >> > In the groups I see, some mediocres are good in making lobby to block > > the true knowledge of astrology and to hide their imperfection, they > > can also learn from my research...> >> > Now, Group, you can understand why i dont need to apply Ashtakvarga > > etc.. coz I have seen excellance of 365 day's based Vimshottari Dasha, > > if it's applied with Transits, it's superb, All the results are > > derived applying Lahiri Ayanamsha.> >> > Will continue .....> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > > >> > > >> >>

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You have rightly ponited out that bahudaraputra janyete is not relevant to Indira ji.About Vimsottari dasa is based on 365 days count or otherwise is not athing to be justified based on interpretations like this.let;s ofcourse know from various books but can not afford to rush to inferences.Views of authors in Astrology are very wide as they adopted different stand for interpretations.such inputs have to be verified before we are convinced about the deliberations

vrkrishnan--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekharRe: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Case 1 : 365 Day's Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:26 PM

 

 

 

Dear Lalit,

 

I do not find the yoga described as maharaja yoga in the shloka you have provided. Could you give the chapter and verse of Saravali? Ditto for Jataka tatvam? By the way, do you really find "Bahudarputramitra janayati" in Indira's case? I think you also talked about her wanting to be with Feroze, did you read her biography carefully?

 

I differ in whether the assassination goes on to prove that 365 days count is right for Vimshottari dasha. But if you think it does, that is fine.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

-

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Monday, September 08, 2008 9:33 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Case 1 : 365 Day's Vimshottari' s Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

There are yogas known popularly to most people, though, The Jatak Tatwa contains thousands of the yogas. Howebver, at various other classics lot many yogas are given.

As i said, The yoga i mentioned to have seen in Indira Ji's chart is given in Kalyan Verma's Sarawali :

He says : Bhupatim Anupam Veeryam Nripati Gunauha MrigeJatam, BahuDarPutra Mitram Janayati GuruVeekschhitah Chandraha !!

Above shloka is an exception to Karka lagna born natives as mentioned in the classic.

I wanted you and other elders to look at how perfectly 365 day's based dasha results match with the events happened Indira Ji's life. A perfect example, A fitting example.

Assassination : Despite trying hard and applying lot's of methods Sri K.N Rao could not pin point the very reason why she got assasinated when Mars and 8'th house has no role in her chart, In fact, people have common tendency to explore only obvious, Though Sri K.N Rao is still doing research with same jeal that we are doing in our group, he didn't reach the exact cause.

The cause is pretty simple, 11'th lord's placement in 6'th and 6'th lord's placement in 11th, Jatak Tatwa is very clear :

1. " Vari Pato (6'th lord) Labhgate Krure Maranam Vipakschhato Bhavati Taskar Krita Hanih"

2. "Labha Adhipe Sasthagate SuVairam.... Mritim SamaaApnoti cha ChaurHastat" .

Above shows the possible cause of death in her chart, when a pattern of life came in "Saturn (7'th lord)/Rahu (placed in 6'th )/Rahu, "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of attacks like assault by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"

As Parashara states, kindly note the activism of rahu in 6'th in this context. They security gauards killed her in a thievish manner as given in the classic.

regards,Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

regards,Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > If I remember well Maharaj yoga is said to arise when the lord of lagna > and Lord of the 5th exchange their rasis and in aspect of a benefic. > Another variation is when the Chara Atmakaraka and Putrakaraka similarly > exchange rasis and like the first one occupy the Lagna or the 5th or in > exaltation own etc. Rasis in aspect of a benefic it is caused.> > Which Maharaj yoga are you referring to here?> > > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > litsol wrote:> >> > Dear Gurus and Groups,> >> > In order to prove the perfection of Vmishottari Dasha, Pls. check the > > Smt Indira Gandhi's case.> >> > This has been a critical chart for most astro

stalwards, however, > > those who read clasics, it was just another chart to analyse, I spent > > some time on this chart to show how deep we can go and how far we can > > see with the help of astrology in reading one's life, Asrtology is a > > tool to understand one's own life> >> > It's easy to find a* powerful Mahaaraj Yoga*, it's an exception given > > to Moon placed in Capricorn aspected by Jupitor from Taurus, which is > > placed in house of gains 11'th, I have seen people are running from > > piller to post to find explanations by exchange etc, this happens when > > a person does not have knowledge of classics like those people who are > > trying to convince u not to look at their flaws, This man with Saturn > > + Ketu in lagna needs to be pinned down, let's focus on our case study -> >> > *Indira Ji's Death

:* Sri K.N Rao has tried 4 different methods to > > find a timing and astrological cause for her assasination, In his > > book, I found all the times he is missing the key, Just have a look at > > the dasha sequence : She was running *Saturn (7'th lord)/Rahu (placed > > in 6'th )/Rahu, Parashara states : * > >> > "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of attacks like assault > > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"> >> > See, how close our sage is in his judgements, Above result is found > > only applying 365 day's based dasha sequence.> >> > *Indira j's Marriage : *See the 365 day's dasha sequence, in the > > mahadasha of Rahu who is conjunct Venus placed in 6'th, I have 6'th > > house gives liking for others, Rahu has done it's work and she liked > > to lead a life with Feroz Gandhi,

Saturn the 7'th lord's AntarDasha > > was running and this 7'th lord is placed in Lagna, The famous, Saturn > > - Moon axis, in lagna and in 7'th ensures the widowhood, the dasha > > sequence was *Rahu/Saturn/ Saturn, The marriage happened in March 1942.*> >> > /*First ministery after Father's death :* June 1964, The dasha > > sequence is /* Jupiter/Venus/ Jupiter, Parashara says - * Opulent > > wealth, acquisition of kingdom, clothes, pearls etc., jewellery, > > elephant, horse and position (grade)> >> > Do u notice, the functioning of Maharaja Yoga, how Ju forms in Smt > > Indira's horoscope, confers her Ministership in it's Period and > > subperiod of Venus.> >> > Prime Ministershp : See again how component's of Maharaj Yoga's are > > working, She became Indian Prime Minister in 1972 in > >

*Saturn/Saturn/ Venus/Jupitor period. You can also learn Venus and > > Jupitor are not mutual enemy, rather they act as complementary to each > > other.*> >> > *I have found Guru/Sukra's functioning quite opposit to what Sri K.N > > Rao stated in his book - Nehru Dynasty.*> >> > In the groups I see, some mediocres are good in making lobby to block > > the true knowledge of astrology and to hide their imperfection, they > > can also learn from my research...> >> > Now, Group, you can understand why i dont need to apply Ashtakvarga > > etc.. coz I have seen excellance of 365 day's based Vimshottari Dasha, > > if it's applied with Transits, it's superb, All the results are > > derived applying Lahiri Ayanamsha.> >> > Will continue .....> >> > regards,> > Lalit.>

>> > > >> > > >> >>

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Dear Lalit,

 

I would like to get the chapter number and shloka number mentioning Maharaja yoga in Saravali. I see the shloka that mentions Maharaja yoga in Saravali at Adhyaaya 35 shloka 67, but the shloka does not contain the words you have given. I do not find that shloka in the 35th Adhyaaya, it is possible you have a different edition of Saravali which gives the shloka, hence the request to quote the Chapter and Shloka number. Again, though refer to Karka (cancer) lagna, the shloka given by you talks about Makara lagna as "Mrige" means Makara, as far as I know.

 

I do not dispute what you might have read and your interpretation. I would only like to know the shloka number.

 

Personally I have seen less progeny with Sun in the 5th and with Mars aspecting it the progeny is likely to be female. But in case of Indira, Sun is conjunct Mercury and gets aspect of Jupiter from Upachaya where it is in exchange with Venus thus giving her male progeny. However this is all subject to individual interpretation and that is why I do not want to enter in discussion on that part.

 

Same is with accepting or otherwise of 365 days for Vimshottari. I prefer to stick to my opinion in that regard and continuing with the Hindu measure of time as followed in the days the ancient astrological texts were written. Yet I have no problem if any one wants to use the 365 day period and is able to predict with fair degree of accuracy.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

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Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:12 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)

 

 

 

Dear Sir(s),

Like any horoscope, Indira Ji's horoscope has got potential for several things as given by Kalyan Verma in his sarawali, but, as you both the elders have been stating that we should look at a chart in entirety to know what portion of yoga is getting cancelled by placement of other grahas, In indira Ji's chart,

Sun's placement in 5'th house is cancelling the "BahuDarPutra Mitram Janayati".

I have read in several classics that sun's placement in 5'th results in one son with world level name and fame, this is also proven in Indira Ji's chart. If u need, I will post the supporting shlokas, another factor is Mangal's aspect on 5'th, It's interesting to note that Mangal is aspecting the Sun and I can post the shloka also stating, Mangal's aspect on Sun causes a brutal death, so, in Indira Ji's chart there are 2 clear cases indicating the assassination, Can we understand as Mars-Sun aspect occuring in 2nd/5th axis, therefore, it led to similar brutal death of her sons as well ?

In fact since when I studied some nadi reading, I got an insight to look deeper and wider, I feel we can reconstruct the missing Nadi literature, provided we all work togather.

In order to prove and establish accuracy of 365 day's based Vimshottari Dasha, I will post more stunning cases. Thaks to god who enabled me to think in this angle.

regards,Lalit Mishra.

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:>> Sir,> You have rightly ponited out that bahudaraputra janyete is not relevant to Indira ji.About Vimsottari dasa is based on 365 days count or otherwise is not athing to be justified based on interpretations like this.let;s ofcourse know from various books but can not afford to rush to inferences.Views of authors in Astrology are very wide as they adopted different stand for interpretations.such inputs have to be verified before we are convinced about the deliberations> vrkrishnan> > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:> > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Case 1 : 365 Day's Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:26 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > I do not find the yoga described as maharaja yoga in the shloka you have provided. Could you give the chapter and verse of Saravali? Ditto for Jataka tatvam? By the way, do you really find "Bahudarputramitra janayati" in Indira's case? I think you also talked about her wanting to be with Feroze, did you read her biography carefully? > > I differ in whether the assassination goes on to prove that 365 days count is right for Vimshottari dasha. But if you think it does, that is fine. > > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > Monday, September 08, 2008 9:33 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Case 1 : 365 Day's Vimshottari' s Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > Dear Sir,> There are yogas known popularly to most people, though, The Jatak Tatwa contains thousands of the yogas. Howebver, at various other classics lot many yogas are given.> As i said, The yoga i mentioned to have seen in Indira Ji's chart is given in Kalyan Verma's Sarawali : > He says : Bhupatim Anupam Veeryam Nripati Gunauha MrigeJatam,> BahuDarPutra Mitram Janayati GuruVeekschhitah Chandraha !!> Above shloka is an exception to Karka lagna born natives as mentioned in the classic.> I wanted you and other elders to look at how perfectly 365 day's based dasha results match with the events happened Indira Ji's life. A perfect example, A fitting example.> Assassination : Despite trying hard and applying lot's of methods Sri K.N Rao could not pin point the very reason why she got assasinated when Mars and 8'th house has no role in her chart, In fact, people have common tendency to explore only obvious, Though Sri K.N Rao is still doing research with same jeal that we are doing in our group, he didn't reach the exact cause. > The cause is pretty simple, 11'th lord's placement in 6'th and 6'th lord's placement in 11th, Jatak Tatwa is very clear :> 1. " Vari Pato (6'th lord) Labhgate Krure Maranam Vipakschhato Bhavati Taskar Krita Hanih"> 2. "Labha Adhipe Sasthagate SuVairam.... Mritim SamaaApnoti cha ChaurHastat" .> Above shows the possible cause of death in her chart, when a pattern of life came in "Saturn (7'th lord)/Rahu (placed in 6'th )/Rahu, "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of attacks like assault by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"> As Parashara states, kindly note the activism of rahu in 6'th in this context. They security gauards killed her in a thievish manner as given in the classic.> regards,> Lalit.> > > > > > > regards,> Lalit.> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > If I remember well Maharaj yoga is said to arise when the lord of lagna > > and Lord of the 5th exchange their rasis and in aspect of a benefic. > > Another variation is when the Chara Atmakaraka and Putrakaraka similarly > > exchange rasis and like the first one occupy the Lagna or the 5th or in > > exaltation own etc. Rasis in aspect of a benefic it is caused.> > > > Which Maharaj yoga are you referring to here?> > > > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > litsol wrote:> > >> > > Dear Gurus and Groups,> > >> > > In order to prove the perfection of Vmishottari Dasha, Pls. check the > > > Smt Indira Gandhi's case.> > >> > > This has been a critical chart for most astro stalwards, however, > > > those who read clasics, it was just another chart to analyse, I spent > > > some time on this chart to show how deep we can go and how far we can > > > see with the help of astrology in reading one's life, Asrtology is a > > > tool to understand one's own life> > >> > > It's easy to find a* powerful Mahaaraj Yoga*, it's an exception given > > > to Moon placed in Capricorn aspected by Jupitor from Taurus, which is > > > placed in house of gains 11'th, I have seen people are running from > > > piller to post to find explanations by exchange etc, this happens when > > > a person does not have knowledge of classics like those people who are > > > trying to convince u not to look at their flaws, This man with Saturn > > > + Ketu in lagna needs to be pinned down, let's focus on our case study -> > >> > > *Indira Ji's Death :* Sri K.N Rao has tried 4 different methods to > > > find a timing and astrological cause for her assasination, In his > > > book, I found all the times he is missing the key, Just have a look at > > > the dasha sequence : She was running *Saturn (7'th lord)/Rahu (placed > > > in 6'th )/Rahu, Parashara states : * > > >> > > "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of attacks like assault > > > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"> > >> > > See, how close our sage is in his judgements, Above result is found > > > only applying 365 day's based dasha sequence.> > >> > > *Indira j's Marriage : *See the 365 day's dasha sequence, in the > > > mahadasha of Rahu who is conjunct Venus placed in 6'th, I have 6'th > > > house gives liking for others, Rahu has done it's work and she liked > > > to lead a life with Feroz Gandhi, Saturn the 7'th lord's AntarDasha > > > was running and this 7'th lord is placed in Lagna, The famous, Saturn > > > - Moon axis, in lagna and in 7'th ensures the widowhood, the dasha > > > sequence was *Rahu/Saturn/ Saturn, The marriage happened in March 1942.*> > >> > > /*First ministery after Father's death :* June 1964, The dasha > > > sequence is /* Jupiter/Venus/ Jupiter, Parashara says - * Opulent > > > wealth, acquisition of kingdom, clothes, pearls etc., jewellery, > > > elephant, horse and position (grade)> > >> > > Do u notice, the functioning of Maharaja Yoga, how Ju forms in Smt > > > Indira's horoscope, confers her Ministership in it's Period and > > > subperiod of Venus.> > >> > > Prime Ministershp : See again how component's of Maharaj Yoga's are > > > working, She became Indian Prime Minister in 1972 in > > > *Saturn/Saturn/ Venus/Jupitor period. You can also learn Venus and > > > Jupitor are not mutual enemy, rather they act as complementary to each > > > other.*> > >> > > *I have found Guru/Sukra's functioning quite opposit to what Sri K.N > > > Rao stated in his book - Nehru Dynasty.*> > >> > > In the groups I see, some mediocres are good in making lobby to block > > > the true knowledge of astrology and to hide their imperfection, they > > > can also learn from my research...> > >> > > Now, Group, you can understand why i dont need to apply Ashtakvarga > > > etc.. coz I have seen excellance of 365 day's based Vimshottari Dasha, > > > if it's applied with Transits, it's superb, All the results are > > > derived applying Lahiri Ayanamsha.> > >> > > Will continue .....> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Sir,

 

Guru's (Paropkarita) beneficence filled in Indira Ji's persona should

be seen in nationalization of banks, removal of Privy Purse and other

such measures that she took in Guru's period which reflects in her

slogan " Garibi Hatao " . She has a clear spiritual side also in her

chart.

 

I w'd like to send u a copy of Sarawali that I have, which is

interpreted by R. Santhanam in english, pls. give ur address. We have

learnt a lot from u and if i m given an opportunity to present a

copy, will help me overcoming " Guru Rina " this is how i think.

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I could find the shloka when you indicated the chapter. That refers

to graha in certain rasis. But nowhere does it talk about special

case of Karka lagna that you talked about. Could you throw more light

on this?

>

> I do not take yogas in isolation. The best example, why I neither

do that nor advise anyone to do so, is Indira's chart. If we take the

yogas literally, then why only look at Guru's aspect and not of Shani

or how to interpret, since no yoga mentions both Shani and Guru

aspecting Chandra in Makara? Again if you want to take the yoga

literally, then you have a Nripati and Bhupati or as you prefer to

call it Maharaja every 5 years in every month as Chandra transits

Makara at least once in a year and Guru will be in Taurus, Cancer or

Virgo every five years. I doubt there are those many kingdoms to

accommodate those many Maharajas in the world.

>

> I do not think anybody looked at Indira as Paropkari.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

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> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:14 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's

Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)

>

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I dont know about personal life of Indira Ji, I m aware of what

you

> are quoting, but, i do not have any information because that was

the

> period befor my birth, you people w'd have seen that period and

w'd

> be aware of that.

>

> I m happy that u at least could locate this shloka mentioned by

me,

> that shloka has two terms " BHUPATI " and " NRIPATI " to denote the

> Maharaaj Yoga, though the yoga is not exclusively given

in " RajYoga "

> chapter.

>

> Today, In jatak tatwa I found another yoga for death of Indira

Ji's

> sons, and this is " Mercury's presence in 5'th when Sani is placed

in

> Lagna " , this kills native's sons.

>

> written clearly there, so, there are 3 factors causing her son's

> untimely death with one saving factor the Guru's aspect which

> couldn't protect them.

>

> Another interesting thing, Sun + Merc in 5'th is said to make

> somebody cruel whereas Guru in 11'th makes him helpful and kind-

> " Paropkari " , have u seen both in Indira Ji's life ?

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > I wrote about Makara lagna indicated by Mrige as you said that

> Saravali is mentioning exception about Karka lagna. The shloka

does

> not mention any such thing. You also talked about Maharaja yoga.

That

> is why I looked at the Raj yoga chapter. But if you want to rely

on

> that chapter and shloka why not also what it gives two lines

later as:

> >

> > " alasaM malinaM sadhanaM madanaartaM paaradaarikamasatyam|

> divaakaraputradriSTaH karoti chandro naraM makare|| "

> > meaning when Chandra in Makara receives the aspect of Shani (

which

> it does in case of Indira, one is lethargic, with bad habits or

> dirty, wealthy, of lustful nature, co-habiting with other's wives

and

> a liar.

> >

> > Do you agree this describes Indira, especially after you say

she

> wanted to live with Feroze? Think about this deeply.

> >

> > I have never said that one should not do research in astrology.

On

> the other hand research must necessarily contain supportive

shlokas

> as well as shlokas that are against one's premise, letting the

> readers decide what is right.

> >

> > I can not comment on whether one acharya was right or other,

> especially when the other one has already acknowledged the debt

of

> the earlier acharya, himself. I do not think Kalyanaverma says

that

> since Varaha Mihira has written in brief and Yavanacharya has

written

> at too much length, he is taking essence of the two in his text.

So

> he at least does not seem to have given up the principles given

by

> Yavana.

> >

> > I am not certifying Varaha Mihira as having given undiluted

version

> of the shastra or anything like that. merely stating the factual

> position about what Kalyan Verma says in Saravali.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:51 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's

> Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Sometimes one author covers some yogas in a chapter whereas

> another

> > author covers then in another chapter, depends on author to

> author. The

> > details are as under -

> >

> > 1. I quoted the shloka from Saravali's english version done by

R.

> > Santhanam in chapter 23, " Chandra Chara Adhayaa " , it's the

shloka

> no 69.

> >

> > In the shloka " Mrige " means, Moon placed in Makara not the

Makara

> > lagna.

> >

> > 2. In tha Jatak Tatva's Ekadash Vivek, Shloka no 416 is where

> author

> > says about a killing if 11'th lord goes to 6'th house, a

similar

> shloka

> > is found in " Sastha Vivek " , I have Hindi version of Jatak

Tatwa,

> edited

> > by Sri Harishankar Pathak, published by Chaukhamba, Varanasi.

> >

> > I must admire Sri Harishankar Pathak for the clarity and

examples

> that

> > he has given in his both the books - Sarvartha Chintamani and

> Jatak

> > Tatwa, he has no compare with others.

> >

> > I m not doing a new thing, in every age there have been research

> > oriented people, Kalyan Verma the great author of Saravali,

who,

> luckily

> > belongs to my place Rewa (Sir, You are the first to tell me

this)

> has

> > clearly said in the preface of his work - "

> >

> > " HoraTantram Rachitam Varah Mihirena Sankschhepat ..........

> Sakalam

> > Asaram Tyaktwa Lakschhye Saaram Samudhhritya " .

> >

> > That means - In the Hora Tantras written by Varah Mihira, what

is

> given

> > in brief, I have elaborated but rejected everything useless

> (Tyaktwa

> > Sakala Asaram) and taken only useful (Saaram Samudhhritya).

> >

> > Now, I feel the bad sensation that felt after picking up one of

> the

> > varah mihira's book was not a madness, definitely he was the

man

> who

> > did some corruption to the vedic astrology along with doing

great

> work.

> > I have seen, Another great authority of Sanskrit

> Literature " Banbhatta "

> > criticizing VarahMihira and other Yavanas where they are wrong

but

> > appreciating where they are correct, Co-Incidently " banbhatta "

> also

> > from my place, Rewa.

> >

> > The refininement is an eternal process, and a true respect to

our

> sages

> > is, instead of getting limited to quoting and worshipping them,

we

> > should follow their path and continue with more and more

> research, this

> > is one of aims of my life.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > I would like to get the chapter number and shloka number

> mentioning

> > Maharaja yoga in Saravali. I see the shloka that mentions

> Maharaja yoga

> > in Saravali at Adhyaaya 35 shloka 67, but the shloka does not

> contain

> > the words you have given. I do not find that shloka in the 35th

> > Adhyaaya, it is possible you have a different edition of

Saravali

> which

> > gives the shloka, hence the request to quote the Chapter and

> Shloka

> > number. Again, though refer to Karka (cancer) lagna, the shloka

> given by

> > you talks about Makara lagna as " Mrige " means Makara, as far as

I

> know.

> > >

> > > I do not dispute what you might have read and your

> interpretation. I

> > would only like to know the shloka number.

> > >

> > > Personally I have seen less progeny with Sun in the 5th and

> with Mars

> > aspecting it the progeny is likely to be female. But in case of

> Indira,

> > Sun is conjunct Mercury and gets aspect of Jupiter from

Upachaya

> where

> > it is in exchange with Venus thus giving her male progeny.

> However this

> > is all subject to individual interpretation and that is why I

do

> not

> > want to enter in discussion on that part.

> > >

> > > Same is with accepting or otherwise of 365 days for

> Vimshottari. I

> > prefer to stick to my opinion in that regard and continuing

with

> the

> > Hindu measure of time as followed in the days the ancient

> astrological

> > texts were written. Yet I have no problem if any one wants to

use

> the

> > 365 day period and is able to predict with fair degree of

> accuracy.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:12 PM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's

> > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sir(s),

> > >

> > > Like any horoscope, Indira Ji's horoscope has got potential

for

> > several things as given by Kalyan Verma in his sarawali, but,

as

> you

> > both the elders have been stating that we should look at a

chart

> in

> > entirety to know what portion of yoga is getting cancelled by

> placement

> > of other grahas, In indira Ji's chart,

> > >

> > > Sun's placement in 5'th house is cancelling the " BahuDarPutra

> Mitram

> > Janayati " .

> > >

> > > I have read in several classics that sun's placement in 5'th

> results

> > in one son with world level name and fame, this is also proven

in

> Indira

> > Ji's chart. If u need, I will post the supporting shlokas,

another

> > factor is Mangal's aspect on 5'th, It's interesting to note

that

> Mangal

> > is aspecting the Sun and I can post the shloka also stating,

> Mangal's

> > aspect on Sun causes a brutal death, so, in Indira Ji's chart

> there are

> > 2 clear cases indicating the assassination, Can we understand as

> > Mars-Sun aspect occuring in 2nd/5th axis, therefore, it led to

> similar

> > brutal death of her sons as well ?

> > >

> > > In fact since when I studied some nadi reading, I got an

> insight to

> > look deeper and wider, I feel we can reconstruct the missing

Nadi

> > literature, provided we all work togather.

> > >

> > > In order to prove and establish accuracy of 365 day's based

> > Vimshottari Dasha, I will post more stunning cases. Thaks to

god

> who

> > enabled me to think in this angle.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit Mishra.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem

krishnan

> > bursar_99@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > > You have rightly ponited out that bahudaraputra janyete is

not

> > relevant to Indira ji.About Vimsottari dasa is based on 365

days

> count

> > or otherwise is not athing to be justified based on

> interpretations like

> > this.let;s ofcourse know from various books but can not afford

to

> rush

> > to inferences.Views of authors in Astrology are very wide as

they

> > adopted different stand for interpretations.such inputs have to

be

> > verified before we are convinced about the deliberations

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@

> > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Case 1 : 365 Day's

> > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:26 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > I do not find the yoga described as maharaja yoga in the

> shloka you

> > have provided. Could you give the chapter and verse of

Saravali?

> Ditto

> > for Jataka tatvam? By the way, do you really

> find " Bahudarputramitra

> > janayati " in Indira's case? I think you also talked about her

> wanting to

> > be with Feroze, did you read her biography carefully?

> > > >

> > > > I differ in whether the assassination goes on to prove that

> 365 days

> > count is right for Vimshottari dasha. But if you think it does,

> that is

> > fine.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > Monday, September 08, 2008 9:33 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Case 1 : 365 Day's

> Vimshottari'

> > s Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > There are yogas known popularly to most people, though, The

> Jatak

> > Tatwa contains thousands of the yogas. Howebver, at various

other

> > classics lot many yogas are given.

> > > > As i said, The yoga i mentioned to have seen in Indira Ji's

> chart is

> > given in Kalyan Verma's Sarawali :

> > > > He says : Bhupatim Anupam Veeryam Nripati Gunauha

MrigeJatam,

> > > > BahuDarPutra Mitram Janayati GuruVeekschhitah Chandraha !!

> > > > Above shloka is an exception to Karka lagna born natives as

> > mentioned in the classic.

> > > > I wanted you and other elders to look at how perfectly 365

> day's

> > based dasha results match with the events happened Indira Ji's

> life. A

> > perfect example, A fitting example.

> > > > Assassination : Despite trying hard and applying lot's of

> methods

> > Sri K.N Rao could not pin point the very reason why she got

> assasinated

> > when Mars and 8'th house has no role in her chart, In fact,

> people have

> > common tendency to explore only obvious, Though Sri K.N Rao is

> still

> > doing research with same jeal that we are doing in our group,

he

> didn't

> > reach the exact cause.

> > > > The cause is pretty simple, 11'th lord's placement in 6'th

> and 6'th

> > lord's placement in 11th, Jatak Tatwa is very clear :

> > > > 1. " Vari Pato (6'th lord) Labhgate Krure Maranam

Vipakschhato

> > Bhavati Taskar Krita Hanih "

> > > > 2. " Labha Adhipe Sasthagate SuVairam.... Mritim SamaaApnoti

> cha

> > ChaurHastat " .

> > > > Above shows the possible cause of death in her chart, when

a

> pattern

> > of life came in " Saturn (7'th lord)/Rahu (placed in 6'th )/Rahu,

> > " Confinement, various diseases, different kind of attacks like

> assault

> > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends "

> > > > As Parashara states, kindly note the activism of rahu in

6'th

> in

> > this context. They security gauards killed her in a thievish

> manner as

> > given in the classic.

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

> Chandrashekhar

> > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > If I remember well Maharaj yoga is said to arise when the

> lord of

> > lagna

> > > > > and Lord of the 5th exchange their rasis and in aspect of

a

> > benefic.

> > > > > Another variation is when the Chara Atmakaraka and

> Putrakaraka

> > similarly

> > > > > exchange rasis and like the first one occupy the Lagna or

> the 5th

> > or in

> > > > > exaltation own etc. Rasis in aspect of a benefic it is

> caused.

> > > > >

> > > > > Which Maharaj yoga are you referring to here?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Gurus and Groups,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In order to prove the perfection of Vmishottari Dasha,

> Pls.

> > check the

> > > > > > Smt Indira Gandhi's case.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This has been a critical chart for most astro stalwards,

> > however,

> > > > > > those who read clasics, it was just another chart to

> analyse, I

> > spent

> > > > > > some time on this chart to show how deep we can go and

> how far

> > we can

> > > > > > see with the help of astrology in reading one's life,

> Asrtology

> > is a

> > > > > > tool to understand one's own life

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's easy to find a* powerful Mahaaraj Yoga*, it's an

> exception

> > given

> > > > > > to Moon placed in Capricorn aspected by Jupitor from

> Taurus,

> > which is

> > > > > > placed in house of gains 11'th, I have seen people are

> running

> > from

> > > > > > piller to post to find explanations by exchange etc,

this

> > happens when

> > > > > > a person does not have knowledge of classics like those

> people

> > who are

> > > > > > trying to convince u not to look at their flaws, This

man

> with

> > Saturn

> > > > > > + Ketu in lagna needs to be pinned down, let's focus on

> our case

> > study -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Indira Ji's Death :* Sri K.N Rao has tried 4 different

> methods

> > to

> > > > > > find a timing and astrological cause for her

> assasination, In

> > his

> > > > > > book, I found all the times he is missing the key, Just

> have a

> > look at

> > > > > > the dasha sequence : She was running *Saturn (7'th

> lord)/Rahu

> > (placed

> > > > > > in 6'th )/Rahu, Parashara states : *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Confinement, various diseases, different kind of

attacks

> like

> > assault

> > > > > > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See, how close our sage is in his judgements, Above

> result is

> > found

> > > > > > only applying 365 day's based dasha sequence.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Indira j's Marriage : *See the 365 day's dasha

sequence,

> in the

> > > > > > mahadasha of Rahu who is conjunct Venus placed in 6'th,

I

> have

> > 6'th

> > > > > > house gives liking for others, Rahu has done it's work

> and she

> > liked

> > > > > > to lead a life with Feroz Gandhi, Saturn the 7'th lord's

> > AntarDasha

> > > > > > was running and this 7'th lord is placed in Lagna, The

> famous,

> > Saturn

> > > > > > - Moon axis, in lagna and in 7'th ensures the

widowhood,

> the

> > dasha

> > > > > > sequence was *Rahu/Saturn/ Saturn, The marriage

happened

> in

> > March 1942.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > /*First ministery after Father's death :* June 1964,

The

> dasha

> > > > > > sequence is /* Jupiter/Venus/ Jupiter, Parashara says -

*

> > Opulent

> > > > > > wealth, acquisition of kingdom, clothes, pearls etc.,

> jewellery,

> > > > > > elephant, horse and position (grade)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do u notice, the functioning of Maharaja Yoga, how Ju

> forms in

> > Smt

> > > > > > Indira's horoscope, confers her Ministership in it's

> Period and

> > > > > > subperiod of Venus.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Prime Ministershp : See again how component's of

Maharaj

> Yoga's

> > are

> > > > > > working, She became Indian Prime Minister in 1972 in

> > > > > > *Saturn/Saturn/ Venus/Jupitor period. You can also

learn

> Venus

> > and

> > > > > > Jupitor are not mutual enemy, rather they act as

> complementary

> > to each

> > > > > > other.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *I have found Guru/Sukra's functioning quite opposit to

> what Sri

> > K.N

> > > > > > Rao stated in his book - Nehru Dynasty.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the groups I see, some mediocres are good in making

> lobby to

> > block

> > > > > > the true knowledge of astrology and to hide their

> imperfection,

> > they

> > > > > > can also learn from my research...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, Group, you can understand why i dont need to apply

> > Ashtakvarga

> > > > > > etc.. coz I have seen excellance of 365 day's based

> Vimshottari

> > Dasha,

> > > > > > if it's applied with Transits, it's superb, All the

> results are

> > > > > > derived applying Lahiri Ayanamsha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will continue .....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Lalit,

 

There is no doubt that dashas applied to planetary configuration can show some personality changes when transits of the slow movers are also brought in. However it is too easy to presume reasons for a politician's action, when analyzing a politician's chart one has to be either totally neutral and analyze the chart or one can be led to draw wrong conclusions. That is one reason why while analyzing charts of politicians I prefer to concentrate on only the known facts and not speculate on the motives of the politicians. They are past masters in camouflaging their real interests.

 

Whether the nationalization of banks was done in national interest of to have access to large coffers of cash with the banks and to benefit troublesome politicians and toadies of the people in power, is a debatable issue. Same is the case with privy purses. That happened as none of the Maharajas paid homage to her and the Congress Party and opposed her. Or with the shameful manner in which the, Simla agreement was effected. I do not think there is a single instant in the history of the world where a victor has let go of 93000 war prisoners on the verbal assurance of non aggression in future. The unnecessary taking of sides in the east and west Pakistan conflict to shore up her political fortunes rid Pakistan of its internal problems and now we have terrorists being supported by both Bangladesh whom she helped and Pakistan being infiltrated by their government and killing our citizens, including the attacks in Delhi today. I, for one would not call her entire behavior as being in the interest of the nation. It appears to be more for grabbing power at any cost.

 

Any way, I think Nathuram Godse was born in Baramati on May 19, 1910 @ 8.29 a.m. . If you want do analyze his chart.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Saturday, September 13, 2008 2:19 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)

 

 

Dear Sir,This is a very exciting point, to be able to underscore the shift of one's personality built with respect to change in dasha, how planetary configurations change one's psyche is really interesting, how a decoit becomes sage valmiki and vice verca,In indira's case till the guru's dasha her attention was on India as her country and she appeared to be fullfilling her duty otherwise why it was necessary for her do the nationalization of banks, the pigmy opposition was not even not able to think of this.when she faced opposition to her self assumed ownership of congress party and successorness to nehru's government, the sense of betrayal may have perverted her to dictatorship, in the tamasik sani's mahadasha.her is a very interesting chart to understand layers of one's nature and psychology.Guru's aspect on Shashi gives one a spiritual touch, saturn - moon aspect also brings one into isolatery status to restrospect her life, same Guru is aspecting Budhha also which surely makes one a manishi,the same aspect of Guru on Budha makes Dr. Rajendra Prashad a manishi which is further gets strength with his 9'th lord is placement in lagna.Sir, recently I happen to see, Nathuram Godse's horoscope, that's also a very interesting and a powerful horoscope and look no way inferior to Mahatma Gandhi's horoscope, I have his birth details but dont have information on his place of birth, can u pls. tell me where he was born, we will try dissecting the mystery of that horoscope.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > I do not agree that nationalization of banks and removal of privy purses and thereby going back on sovereign agreement entered into by our founding fathers constitutes being Paropkari. Giving slogans like garibi hato is not paropkar, removal of poverty is. I do not know if you remember the days of emergency and the rule of Indira, but Paropkar was the last thing she ever contemplated. > > Indira and spirituality is something that can be more a figment of imagination than fact. Dictators are not spiritual.> > I have the Sanskrit edition of Saravali and also the commentary on it by Murlidhar Chaturvedi, so sending R. Santhanam's version may not be any more useful. My cupboards are already bulging with too many astrological texts and copies of some manuscripts and having three copies of the same text may not be a good idea. So do not take trouble to send it to me. If you want to know anything from Saravali and my opinion on it, you could give the shloka and the chapter and I shall try to give my opinion. I am sure that you know that my opinion may not always be in line with the popular sentiments.> > take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Friday, September 12, 2008 7:44 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > Dear Sir,> > Guru's (Paropkarita) beneficence filled in Indira Ji's persona should > be seen in nationalization of banks, removal of Privy Purse and other > such measures that she took in Guru's period which reflects in her > slogan "Garibi Hatao". She has a clear spiritual side also in her > chart.> > I w'd like to send u a copy of Sarawali that I have, which is > interpreted by R. Santhanam in english, pls. give ur address. We have > learnt a lot from u and if i m given an opportunity to present a > copy, will help me overcoming "Guru Rina" this is how i think.> > regards,> Lalit. > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > I could find the shloka when you indicated the chapter. That refers > to graha in certain rasis. But nowhere does it talk about special > case of Karka lagna that you talked about. Could you throw more light > on this?> > > > I do not take yogas in isolation. The best example, why I neither > do that nor advise anyone to do so, is Indira's chart. If we take the > yogas literally, then why only look at Guru's aspect and not of Shani > or how to interpret, since no yoga mentions both Shani and Guru > aspecting Chandra in Makara? Again if you want to take the yoga > literally, then you have a Nripati and Bhupati or as you prefer to > call it Maharaja every 5 years in every month as Chandra transits > Makara at least once in a year and Guru will be in Taurus, Cancer or > Virgo every five years. I doubt there are those many kingdoms to > accommodate those many Maharajas in the world.> > > > I do not think anybody looked at Indira as Paropkari. > > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:14 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > I dont know about personal life of Indira Ji, I m aware of what > you > > are quoting, but, i do not have any information because that was > the > > period befor my birth, you people w'd have seen that period and > w'd > > be aware of that.> > > > I m happy that u at least could locate this shloka mentioned by > me, > > that shloka has two terms "BHUPATI" and "NRIPATI" to denote the > > Maharaaj Yoga, though the yoga is not exclusively given > in "RajYoga" > > chapter. > > > > Today, In jatak tatwa I found another yoga for death of Indira > Ji's > > sons, and this is "Mercury's presence in 5'th when Sani is placed > in > > Lagna", this kills native's sons.> > > > written clearly there, so, there are 3 factors causing her son's > > untimely death with one saving factor the Guru's aspect which > > couldn't protect them.> > > > Another interesting thing, Sun + Merc in 5'th is said to make > > somebody cruel whereas Guru in 11'th makes him helpful and kind-> > "Paropkari" , have u seen both in Indira Ji's life ?> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > I wrote about Makara lagna indicated by Mrige as you said that > > Saravali is mentioning exception about Karka lagna. The shloka > does > > not mention any such thing. You also talked about Maharaja yoga. > That > > is why I looked at the Raj yoga chapter. But if you want to rely > on > > that chapter and shloka why not also what it gives two lines > later as:> > > > > > "alasaM malinaM sadhanaM madanaartaM paaradaarikamasatyam| > > divaakaraputradriSTaH karoti chandro naraM makare||"> > > meaning when Chandra in Makara receives the aspect of Shani ( > which > > it does in case of Indira, one is lethargic, with bad habits or > > dirty, wealthy, of lustful nature, co-habiting with other's wives > and > > a liar.> > > > > > Do you agree this describes Indira, especially after you say > she > > wanted to live with Feroze? Think about this deeply.> > > > > > I have never said that one should not do research in astrology. > On > > the other hand research must necessarily contain supportive > shlokas > > as well as shlokas that are against one's premise, letting the > > readers decide what is right.> > > > > > I can not comment on whether one acharya was right or other, > > especially when the other one has already acknowledged the debt > of > > the earlier acharya, himself. I do not think Kalyanaverma says > that > > since Varaha Mihira has written in brief and Yavanacharya has > written > > at too much length, he is taking essence of the two in his text. > So > > he at least does not seem to have given up the principles given > by > > Yavana.> > > > > > I am not certifying Varaha Mihira as having given undiluted > version > > of the shastra or anything like that. merely stating the factual > > position about what Kalyan Verma says in Saravali.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:51 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > Sometimes one author covers some yogas in a chapter whereas > > another> > > author covers then in another chapter, depends on author to > > author. The> > > details are as under -> > > > > > 1. I quoted the shloka from Saravali's english version done by > R.> > > Santhanam in chapter 23, "Chandra Chara Adhayaa", it's the > shloka > > no 69.> > > > > > In the shloka "Mrige" means, Moon placed in Makara not the > Makara> > > lagna.> > > > > > 2. In tha Jatak Tatva's Ekadash Vivek, Shloka no 416 is where > > author> > > says about a killing if 11'th lord goes to 6'th house, a > similar > > shloka> > > is found in "Sastha Vivek", I have Hindi version of Jatak > Tatwa, > > edited> > > by Sri Harishankar Pathak, published by Chaukhamba, Varanasi.> > > > > > I must admire Sri Harishankar Pathak for the clarity and > examples > > that> > > he has given in his both the books - Sarvartha Chintamani and > > Jatak> > > Tatwa, he has no compare with others.> > > > > > I m not doing a new thing, in every age there have been research> > > oriented people, Kalyan Verma the great author of Saravali, > who, > > luckily> > > belongs to my place Rewa (Sir, You are the first to tell me > this) > > has> > > clearly said in the preface of his work - "> > > > > > "HoraTantram Rachitam Varah Mihirena Sankschhepat .......... > > Sakalam> > > Asaram Tyaktwa Lakschhye Saaram Samudhhritya".> > > > > > That means - In the Hora Tantras written by Varah Mihira, what > is > > given> > > in brief, I have elaborated but rejected everything useless > > (Tyaktwa> > > Sakala Asaram) and taken only useful (Saaram Samudhhritya).> > > > > > Now, I feel the bad sensation that felt after picking up one of > > the> > > varah mihira's book was not a madness, definitely he was the > man > > who > > > did some corruption to the vedic astrology along with doing > great > > work.> > > I have seen, Another great authority of Sanskrit > > Literature "Banbhatta"> > > criticizing VarahMihira and other Yavanas where they are wrong > but> > > appreciating where they are correct, Co-Incidently "banbhatta" > > also> > > from my place, Rewa.> > > > > > The refininement is an eternal process, and a true respect to > our > > sages> > > is, instead of getting limited to quoting and worshipping them, > we> > > should follow their path and continue with more and more > > research, this> > > is one of aims of my life.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I would like to get the chapter number and shloka number > > mentioning> > > Maharaja yoga in Saravali. I see the shloka that mentions > > Maharaja yoga> > > in Saravali at Adhyaaya 35 shloka 67, but the shloka does not > > contain> > > the words you have given. I do not find that shloka in the 35th> > > Adhyaaya, it is possible you have a different edition of > Saravali > > which> > > gives the shloka, hence the request to quote the Chapter and > > Shloka> > > number. Again, though refer to Karka (cancer) lagna, the shloka > > given by> > > you talks about Makara lagna as "Mrige" means Makara, as far as > I > > know.> > > >> > > > I do not dispute what you might have read and your > > interpretation. I> > > would only like to know the shloka number.> > > >> > > > Personally I have seen less progeny with Sun in the 5th and > > with Mars> > > aspecting it the progeny is likely to be female. But in case of > > Indira,> > > Sun is conjunct Mercury and gets aspect of Jupiter from > Upachaya > > where> > > it is in exchange with Venus thus giving her male progeny. > > However this> > > is all subject to individual interpretation and that is why I > do > > not> > > want to enter in discussion on that part.> > > >> > > > Same is with accepting or otherwise of 365 days for > > Vimshottari. I> > > prefer to stick to my opinion in that regard and continuing > with > > the> > > Hindu measure of time as followed in the days the ancient > > astrological> > > texts were written. Yet I have no problem if any one wants to > use > > the> > > 365 day period and is able to predict with fair degree of > > accuracy.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:12 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's> > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir(s),> > > >> > > > Like any horoscope, Indira Ji's horoscope has got potential > for> > > several things as given by Kalyan Verma in his sarawali, but, > as > > you> > > both the elders have been stating that we should look at a > chart > > in> > > entirety to know what portion of yoga is getting cancelled by > > placement> > > of other grahas, In indira Ji's chart,> > > >> > > > Sun's placement in 5'th house is cancelling the "BahuDarPutra > > Mitram> > > Janayati".> > > >> > > > I have read in several classics that sun's placement in 5'th > > results> > > in one son with world level name and fame, this is also proven > in > > Indira> > > Ji's chart. If u need, I will post the supporting shlokas, > another> > > factor is Mangal's aspect on 5'th, It's interesting to note > that > > Mangal> > > is aspecting the Sun and I can post the shloka also stating, > > Mangal's> > > aspect on Sun causes a brutal death, so, in Indira Ji's chart > > there are> > > 2 clear cases indicating the assassination, Can we understand as> > > Mars-Sun aspect occuring in 2nd/5th axis, therefore, it led to > > similar> > > brutal death of her sons as well ?> > > >> > > > In fact since when I studied some nadi reading, I got an > > insight to> > > look deeper and wider, I feel we can reconstruct the missing > Nadi> > > literature, provided we all work togather.> > > >> > > > In order to prove and establish accuracy of 365 day's based> > > Vimshottari Dasha, I will post more stunning cases. Thaks to > god > > who> > > enabled me to think in this angle.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit Mishra.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem > krishnan> > > bursar_99@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sir,> > > > > You have rightly ponited out that bahudaraputra janyete is > not> > > relevant to Indira ji.About Vimsottari dasa is based on 365 > days > > count> > > or otherwise is not athing to be justified based on > > interpretations like> > > this.let;s ofcourse know from various books but can not afford > to > > rush> > > to inferences.Views of authors in Astrology are very wide as > they> > > adopted different stand for interpretations.such inputs have to > be> > > verified before we are convinced about the deliberations> > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > >> > > > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@ > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@> > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Case 1 : 365 Day's> > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:26 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > I do not find the yoga described as maharaja yoga in the > > shloka you> > > have provided. Could you give the chapter and verse of > Saravali? > > Ditto> > > for Jataka tatvam? By the way, do you really > > find "Bahudarputramitra> > > janayati" in Indira's case? I think you also talked about her > > wanting to> > > be with Feroze, did you read her biography carefully?> > > > >> > > > > I differ in whether the assassination goes on to prove that > > 365 days> > > count is right for Vimshottari dasha. But if you think it does, > > that is> > > fine.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Monday, September 08, 2008 9:33 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Case 1 : 365 Day's > > Vimshottari'> > > s Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > There are yogas known popularly to most people, though, The > > Jatak> > > Tatwa contains thousands of the yogas. Howebver, at various > other> > > classics lot many yogas are given.> > > > > As i said, The yoga i mentioned to have seen in Indira Ji's > > chart is> > > given in Kalyan Verma's Sarawali :> > > > > He says : Bhupatim Anupam Veeryam Nripati Gunauha > MrigeJatam,> > > > > BahuDarPutra Mitram Janayati GuruVeekschhitah Chandraha !!> > > > > Above shloka is an exception to Karka lagna born natives as> > > mentioned in the classic.> > > > > I wanted you and other elders to look at how perfectly 365 > > day's> > > based dasha results match with the events happened Indira Ji's > > life. A> > > perfect example, A fitting example.> > > > > Assassination : Despite trying hard and applying lot's of > > methods> > > Sri K.N Rao could not pin point the very reason why she got > > assasinated> > > when Mars and 8'th house has no role in her chart, In fact, > > people have> > > common tendency to explore only obvious, Though Sri K.N Rao is > > still> > > doing research with same jeal that we are doing in our group, > he > > didn't> > > reach the exact cause.> > > > > The cause is pretty simple, 11'th lord's placement in 6'th > > and 6'th> > > lord's placement in 11th, Jatak Tatwa is very clear :> > > > > 1. " Vari Pato (6'th lord) Labhgate Krure Maranam > Vipakschhato> > > Bhavati Taskar Krita Hanih"> > > > > 2. "Labha Adhipe Sasthagate SuVairam.... Mritim SamaaApnoti > > cha> > > ChaurHastat" .> > > > > Above shows the possible cause of death in her chart, when > a > > pattern> > > of life came in "Saturn (7'th lord)/Rahu (placed in 6'th )/Rahu,> > > "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of attacks like > > assault> > > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"> > > > > As Parashara states, kindly note the activism of rahu in > 6'th > > in> > > this context. They security gauards killed her in a thievish > > manner as> > > given in the classic.> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > Chandrashekhar> > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > If I remember well Maharaj yoga is said to arise when the > > lord of> > > lagna> > > > > > and Lord of the 5th exchange their rasis and in aspect of > a> > > benefic.> > > > > > Another variation is when the Chara Atmakaraka and > > Putrakaraka> > > similarly> > > > > > exchange rasis and like the first one occupy the Lagna or > > the 5th> > > or in> > > > > > exaltation own etc. Rasis in aspect of a benefic it is > > caused.> > > > > >> > > > > > Which Maharaj yoga are you referring to here?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Gurus and Groups,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In order to prove the perfection of Vmishottari Dasha, > > Pls.> > > check the> > > > > > > Smt Indira Gandhi's case.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This has been a critical chart for most astro stalwards,> > > however,> > > > > > > those who read clasics, it was just another chart to > > analyse, I> > > spent> > > > > > > some time on this chart to show how deep we can go and > > how far> > > we can> > > > > > > see with the help of astrology in reading one's life, > > Asrtology> > > is a> > > > > > > tool to understand one's own life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It's easy to find a* powerful Mahaaraj Yoga*, it's an > > exception> > > given> > > > > > > to Moon placed in Capricorn aspected by Jupitor from > > Taurus,> > > which is> > > > > > > placed in house of gains 11'th, I have seen people are > > running> > > from> > > > > > > piller to post to find explanations by exchange etc, > this> > > happens when> > > > > > > a person does not have knowledge of classics like those > > people> > > who are> > > > > > > trying to convince u not to look at their flaws, This > man > > with> > > Saturn> > > > > > > + Ketu in lagna needs to be pinned down, let's focus on > > our case> > > study -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *Indira Ji's Death :* Sri K.N Rao has tried 4 different > > methods> > > to> > > > > > > find a timing and astrological cause for her > > assasination, In> > > his> > > > > > > book, I found all the times he is missing the key, Just > > have a> > > look at> > > > > > > the dasha sequence : She was running *Saturn (7'th > > lord)/Rahu> > > (placed> > > > > > > in 6'th )/Rahu, Parashara states : *> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of > attacks > > like> > > assault> > > > > > > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > See, how close our sage is in his judgements, Above > > result is> > > found> > > > > > > only applying 365 day's based dasha sequence.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *Indira j's Marriage : *See the 365 day's dasha > sequence, > > in the> > > > > > > mahadasha of Rahu who is conjunct Venus placed in 6'th, > I > > have> > > 6'th> > > > > > > house gives liking for others, Rahu has done it's work > > and she> > > liked> > > > > > > to lead a life with Feroz Gandhi, Saturn the 7'th lord's> > > AntarDasha> > > > > > > was running and this 7'th lord is placed in Lagna, The > > famous,> > > Saturn> > > > > > > - Moon axis, in lagna and in 7'th ensures the > widowhood, > > the> > > dasha> > > > > > > sequence was *Rahu/Saturn/ Saturn, The marriage > happened > > in> > > March 1942.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > /*First ministery after Father's death :* June 1964, > The > > dasha> > > > > > > sequence is /* Jupiter/Venus/ Jupiter, Parashara says - > *> > > Opulent> > > > > > > wealth, acquisition of kingdom, clothes, pearls etc., > > jewellery,> > > > > > > elephant, horse and position (grade)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Do u notice, the functioning of Maharaja Yoga, how Ju > > forms in> > > Smt> > > > > > > Indira's horoscope, confers her Ministership in it's > > Period and> > > > > > > subperiod of Venus.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Prime Ministershp : See again how component's of > Maharaj > > Yoga's> > > are> > > > > > > working, She became Indian Prime Minister in 1972 in> > > > > > > *Saturn/Saturn/ Venus/Jupitor period. You can also > learn > > Venus> > > and> > > > > > > Jupitor are not mutual enemy, rather they act as > > complementary> > > to each> > > > > > > other.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > *I have found Guru/Sukra's functioning quite opposit to > > what Sri> > > K.N> > > > > > > Rao stated in his book - Nehru Dynasty.*> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In the groups I see, some mediocres are good in making > > lobby to> > > block> > > > > > > the true knowledge of astrology and to hide their > > imperfection,> > > they> > > > > > > can also learn from my research...> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now, Group, you can understand why i dont need to apply> > > Ashtakvarga> > > > > > > etc.. coz I have seen excellance of 365 day's based > > Vimshottari> > > Dasha,> > > > > > > if it's applied with Transits, it's superb, All the > > results are> > > > > > > derived applying Lahiri Ayanamsha.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Will continue .....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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If we look at astrology's point of view, Indira Ji was not as corageous as extolled by Atal Bihari Bajpai, our classics clearly says, if 3rd lord is Mercury, one will not be great courageous, but when she get's tint of Saturnine aspect on her 3rd house, she might have had some kind of deterrence to situation and opposition, Saturn's aspect in 3rd and Mars's aspect on 5'th house of ideas and emotions, put togather, it confers bit of cruelity when a favorable situation is perceptible even at distant horizon, this is how i read Guru's aspect on 5'th placed mercury - the strategy maker.

As the degree of courage is not very high, we can expect that one will be of compromising nature and will not stand for the constant fight or will not face up the situation, Budha is a quick Graha, so, in order to find a quick relief, so, one may have idea of gettign quick relief in the hindsight of the mind, even, one can avoid serious issues, at the same time, this Saturn aspects her moon also, this also fills a depairness and fear in mind, In my case also when my Saturn Dasha was running, I used to get afread of, worried on unknown reasons, coz, Saturn aspects my moon also. So, we can understand why Indira Ji has let the victory of BanglaDesh war go away like nothing, this is the only war which has produced no result in history, It has no significance attached to Indian history.

Well, following is the Nathuram Godse's chart, 6'th lord Mangal is placed in Lagna aspected by Saturn from the 11'th which is again Mesha rashi. Seems a nice brilliant man has become victim of some cheap/ cunning people who used him as a tool to kill Mahtma Gandhi. We also notice, this Mangal further aspects Moon and Guru in the Budha's rasi, so, the strategic instigation injected to his mind by some hidden conspirers so intense that hardly any room was left for him to review what disgusting act he was doing. Mangal and Sani has put him in bad company, 11'th placed Sani who owns 8'th and 9'th house, indicates that Nathuram who appears to belong to a good family and of some intellectual height, was a case of brainwash.

Birth Chart (Lagna)

I will do dasha analysis later on.

regards,Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > There is no doubt that dashas applied to planetary configuration can show some personality changes when transits of the slow movers are also brought in. However it is too easy to presume reasons for a politician's action, when analyzing a politician's chart one has to be either totally neutral and analyze the chart or one can be led to draw wrong conclusions. That is one reason why while analyzing charts of politicians I prefer to concentrate on only the known facts and not speculate on the motives of the politicians. They are past masters in camouflaging their real interests.> > Whether the nationalization of banks was done in national interest of to have access to large coffers of cash with the banks and to benefit troublesome politicians and toadies of the people in power, is a debatable issue. Same is the case with privy purses. That happened as none of the Maharajas paid homage to her and the Congress Party and opposed her. Or with the shameful manner in which the, Simla agreement was effected. I do not think there is a single instant in the history of the world where a victor has let go of 93000 war prisoners on the verbal assurance of non aggression in future. The unnecessary taking of sides in the east and west Pakistan conflict to shore up her political fortunes rid Pakistan of its internal problems and now we have terrorists being supported by both Bangladesh whom she helped and Pakistan being infiltrated by their government and killing our citizens, including the attacks in Delhi today. I, for one would not call her entire behavior as being in the interest of the nation. It appears to be more for grabbing power at any cost.> > Any way, I think Nathuram Godse was born in Baramati on May 19, 1910 @ 8.29 a.m. . If you want do analyze his chart.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Saturday, September 13, 2008 2:19 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > Dear Sir,> > This is a very exciting point, to be able to underscore the shift of > one's personality built with respect to change in dasha, how > planetary configurations change one's psyche is really interesting, > how a decoit becomes sage valmiki and vice verca,In indira's case > till the guru's dasha her attention was on India as her country and > she appeared to be fullfilling her duty otherwise why it was > necessary for her do the nationalization of banks, the pigmy > opposition was not even not able to think of this.> > when she faced opposition to her self assumed ownership of congress > party and successorness to nehru's government, the sense of betrayal > may have perverted her to dictatorship, in the tamasik sani's > mahadasha.> > her is a very interesting chart to understand layers of one's nature > and psychology.> > Guru's aspect on Shashi gives one a spiritual touch, saturn - moon > aspect also brings one into isolatery status to restrospect her > life, same Guru is aspecting Budhha also which surely makes one a > manishi,the same aspect of Guru on Budha makes Dr. Rajendra Prashad > a manishi which is further gets strength with his 9'th lord is > placement in lagna.> > Sir, recently I happen to see, Nathuram Godse's horoscope, that's > also a very interesting and a powerful horoscope and look no way > inferior to Mahatma Gandhi's horoscope, I have his birth details but > dont have information on his place of birth, can u pls. tell me > where he was born, we will try dissecting the mystery of that > horoscope.> > regards,> Lalit> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > I do not agree that nationalization of banks and removal of privy > purses and thereby going back on sovereign agreement entered into by > our founding fathers constitutes being Paropkari. Giving slogans > like garibi hato is not paropkar, removal of poverty is. I do not > know if you remember the days of emergency and the rule of Indira, > but Paropkar was the last thing she ever contemplated. > > > > Indira and spirituality is something that can be more a figment of > imagination than fact. Dictators are not spiritual.> > > > I have the Sanskrit edition of Saravali and also the commentary on > it by Murlidhar Chaturvedi, so sending R. Santhanam's version may > not be any more useful. My cupboards are already bulging with too > many astrological texts and copies of some manuscripts and having > three copies of the same text may not be a good idea. So do not take > trouble to send it to me. If you want to know anything from Saravali > and my opinion on it, you could give the shloka and the chapter and > I shall try to give my opinion. I am sure that you know that my > opinion may not always be in line with the popular sentiments.> > > > take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Friday, September 12, 2008 7:44 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Guru's (Paropkarita) beneficence filled in Indira Ji's persona > should > > be seen in nationalization of banks, removal of Privy Purse and > other > > such measures that she took in Guru's period which reflects in > her > > slogan "Garibi Hatao". She has a clear spiritual side also in > her > > chart.> > > > I w'd like to send u a copy of Sarawali that I have, which is > > interpreted by R. Santhanam in english, pls. give ur address. We > have > > learnt a lot from u and if i m given an opportunity to present a > > copy, will help me overcoming "Guru Rina" this is how i think.> > > > regards,> > Lalit. > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > I could find the shloka when you indicated the chapter. That > refers > > to graha in certain rasis. But nowhere does it talk about > special > > case of Karka lagna that you talked about. Could you throw more > light > > on this?> > > > > > I do not take yogas in isolation. The best example, why I > neither > > do that nor advise anyone to do so, is Indira's chart. If we > take the > > yogas literally, then why only look at Guru's aspect and not of > Shani > > or how to interpret, since no yoga mentions both Shani and Guru > > aspecting Chandra in Makara? Again if you want to take the yoga > > literally, then you have a Nripati and Bhupati or as you prefer > to > > call it Maharaja every 5 years in every month as Chandra > transits > > Makara at least once in a year and Guru will be in Taurus, > Cancer or > > Virgo every five years. I doubt there are those many kingdoms to > > accommodate those many Maharajas in the world.> > > > > > I do not think anybody looked at Indira as Paropkari. > > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:14 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > I dont know about personal life of Indira Ji, I m aware of > what > > you > > > are quoting, but, i do not have any information because that > was > > the > > > period befor my birth, you people w'd have seen that period > and > > w'd > > > be aware of that.> > > > > > I m happy that u at least could locate this shloka mentioned > by > > me, > > > that shloka has two terms "BHUPATI" and "NRIPATI" to denote > the > > > Maharaaj Yoga, though the yoga is not exclusively given > > in "RajYoga" > > > chapter. > > > > > > Today, In jatak tatwa I found another yoga for death of Indira > > Ji's > > > sons, and this is "Mercury's presence in 5'th when Sani is > placed > > in > > > Lagna", this kills native's sons.> > > > > > written clearly there, so, there are 3 factors causing her > son's > > > untimely death with one saving factor the Guru's aspect which > > > couldn't protect them.> > > > > > Another interesting thing, Sun + Merc in 5'th is said to make > > > somebody cruel whereas Guru in 11'th makes him helpful and > kind-> > > "Paropkari" , have u seen both in Indira Ji's life ?> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > I wrote about Makara lagna indicated by Mrige as you said > that > > > Saravali is mentioning exception about Karka lagna. The shloka > > does > > > not mention any such thing. You also talked about Maharaja > yoga. > > That > > > is why I looked at the Raj yoga chapter. But if you want to > rely > > on > > > that chapter and shloka why not also what it gives two lines > > later as:> > > > > > > > "alasaM malinaM sadhanaM madanaartaM paaradaarikamasatyam| > > > divaakaraputradriSTaH karoti chandro naraM makare||"> > > > meaning when Chandra in Makara receives the aspect of Shani > ( > > which > > > it does in case of Indira, one is lethargic, with bad habits > or > > > dirty, wealthy, of lustful nature, co-habiting with other's > wives > > and > > > a liar.> > > > > > > > Do you agree this describes Indira, especially after you say > > she > > > wanted to live with Feroze? Think about this deeply.> > > > > > > > I have never said that one should not do research in > astrology. > > On > > > the other hand research must necessarily contain supportive > > shlokas > > > as well as shlokas that are against one's premise, letting the > > > readers decide what is right.> > > > > > > > I can not comment on whether one acharya was right or other, > > > especially when the other one has already acknowledged the > debt > > of > > > the earlier acharya, himself. I do not think Kalyanaverma says > > that > > > since Varaha Mihira has written in brief and Yavanacharya has > > written > > > at too much length, he is taking essence of the two in his > text. > > So > > > he at least does not seem to have given up the principles > given > > by > > > Yavana.> > > > > > > > I am not certifying Varaha Mihira as having given undiluted > > version > > > of the shastra or anything like that. merely stating the > factual > > > position about what Kalyan Verma says in Saravali.> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > litsol > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:51 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's > > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > Sometimes one author covers some yogas in a chapter whereas > > > another> > > > author covers then in another chapter, depends on author to > > > author. The> > > > details are as under -> > > > > > > > 1. I quoted the shloka from Saravali's english version done > by > > R.> > > > Santhanam in chapter 23, "Chandra Chara Adhayaa", it's the > > shloka > > > no 69.> > > > > > > > In the shloka "Mrige" means, Moon placed in Makara not the > > Makara> > > > lagna.> > > > > > > > 2. In tha Jatak Tatva's Ekadash Vivek, Shloka no 416 is > where > > > author> > > > says about a killing if 11'th lord goes to 6'th house, a > > similar > > > shloka> > > > is found in "Sastha Vivek", I have Hindi version of Jatak > > Tatwa, > > > edited> > > > by Sri Harishankar Pathak, published by Chaukhamba, Varanasi.> > > > > > > > I must admire Sri Harishankar Pathak for the clarity and > > examples > > > that> > > > he has given in his both the books - Sarvartha Chintamani > and > > > Jatak> > > > Tatwa, he has no compare with others.> > > > > > > > I m not doing a new thing, in every age there have been > research> > > > oriented people, Kalyan Verma the great author of Saravali, > > who, > > > luckily> > > > belongs to my place Rewa (Sir, You are the first to tell me > > this) > > > has> > > > clearly said in the preface of his work - "> > > > > > > > "HoraTantram Rachitam Varah Mihirena Sankschhepat .......... > > > Sakalam> > > > Asaram Tyaktwa Lakschhye Saaram Samudhhritya".> > > > > > > > That means - In the Hora Tantras written by Varah Mihira, > what > > is > > > given> > > > in brief, I have elaborated but rejected everything useless > > > (Tyaktwa> > > > Sakala Asaram) and taken only useful (Saaram Samudhhritya).> > > > > > > > Now, I feel the bad sensation that felt after picking up one > of > > > the> > > > varah mihira's book was not a madness, definitely he was the > > man > > > who > > > > did some corruption to the vedic astrology along with doing > > great > > > work.> > > > I have seen, Another great authority of Sanskrit > > > Literature "Banbhatta"> > > > criticizing VarahMihira and other Yavanas where they are > wrong > > but> > > > appreciating where they are correct, Co-> Incidently "banbhatta" > > > also> > > > from my place, Rewa.> > > > > > > > The refininement is an eternal process, and a true respect > to > > our > > > sages> > > > is, instead of getting limited to quoting and worshipping > them, > > we> > > > should follow their path and continue with more and more > > > research, this> > > > is one of aims of my life.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > I would like to get the chapter number and shloka number > > > mentioning> > > > Maharaja yoga in Saravali. I see the shloka that mentions > > > Maharaja yoga> > > > in Saravali at Adhyaaya 35 shloka 67, but the shloka does > not > > > contain> > > > the words you have given. I do not find that shloka in the > 35th> > > > Adhyaaya, it is possible you have a different edition of > > Saravali > > > which> > > > gives the shloka, hence the request to quote the Chapter and > > > Shloka> > > > number. Again, though refer to Karka (cancer) lagna, the > shloka > > > given by> > > > you talks about Makara lagna as "Mrige" means Makara, as far > as > > I > > > know.> > > > >> > > > > I do not dispute what you might have read and your > > > interpretation. I> > > > would only like to know the shloka number.> > > > >> > > > > Personally I have seen less progeny with Sun in the 5th > and > > > with Mars> > > > aspecting it the progeny is likely to be female. But in case > of > > > Indira,> > > > Sun is conjunct Mercury and gets aspect of Jupiter from > > Upachaya > > > where> > > > it is in exchange with Venus thus giving her male progeny. > > > However this> > > > is all subject to individual interpretation and that is why > I > > do > > > not> > > > want to enter in discussion on that part.> > > > >> > > > > Same is with accepting or otherwise of 365 days for > > > Vimshottari. I> > > > prefer to stick to my opinion in that regard and continuing > > with > > > the> > > > Hindu measure of time as followed in the days the ancient > > > astrological> > > > texts were written. Yet I have no problem if any one wants > to > > use > > > the> > > > 365 day period and is able to predict with fair degree of > > > accuracy.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:12 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's> > > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir(s),> > > > >> > > > > Like any horoscope, Indira Ji's horoscope has got > potential > > for> > > > several things as given by Kalyan Verma in his sarawali, > but, > > as > > > you> > > > both the elders have been stating that we should look at a > > chart > > > in> > > > entirety to know what portion of yoga is getting cancelled > by > > > placement> > > > of other grahas, In indira Ji's chart,> > > > >> > > > > Sun's placement in 5'th house is cancelling > the "BahuDarPutra > > > Mitram> > > > Janayati".> > > > >> > > > > I have read in several classics that sun's placement in > 5'th > > > results> > > > in one son with world level name and fame, this is also > proven > > in > > > Indira> > > > Ji's chart. If u need, I will post the supporting shlokas, > > another> > > > factor is Mangal's aspect on 5'th, It's interesting to note > > that > > > Mangal> > > > is aspecting the Sun and I can post the shloka also stating, > > > Mangal's> > > > aspect on Sun causes a brutal death, so, in Indira Ji's > chart > > > there are> > > > 2 clear cases indicating the assassination, Can we > understand as> > > > Mars-Sun aspect occuring in 2nd/5th axis, therefore, it led > to > > > similar> > > > brutal death of her sons as well ?> > > > >> > > > > In fact since when I studied some nadi reading, I got an > > > insight to> > > > look deeper and wider, I feel we can reconstruct the missing > > Nadi> > > > literature, provided we all work togather.> > > > >> > > > > In order to prove and establish accuracy of 365 day's based> > > > Vimshottari Dasha, I will post more stunning cases. Thaks to > > god > > > who> > > > enabled me to think in this angle.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit Mishra.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem > > krishnan> > > > bursar_99@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > You have rightly ponited out that bahudaraputra janyete > is > > not> > > > relevant to Indira ji.About Vimsottari dasa is based on 365 > > days > > > count> > > > or otherwise is not athing to be justified based on > > > interpretations like> > > > this.let;s ofcourse know from various books but can not > afford > > to > > > rush> > > > to inferences.Views of authors in Astrology are very wide as > > they> > > > adopted different stand for interpretations.such inputs have > to > > be> > > > verified before we are convinced about the deliberations> > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Chandrashekhar > sharma.chandrashekhar@ > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@> > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Case 1 : 365 > Day's> > > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:26 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not find the yoga described as maharaja yoga in the > > > shloka you> > > > have provided. Could you give the chapter and verse of > > Saravali? > > > Ditto> > > > for Jataka tatvam? By the way, do you really > > > find "Bahudarputramitra> > > > janayati" in Indira's case? I think you also talked about > her > > > wanting to> > > > be with Feroze, did you read her biography carefully?> > > > > >> > > > > > I differ in whether the assassination goes on to prove > that > > > 365 days> > > > count is right for Vimshottari dasha. But if you think it > does, > > > that is> > > > fine.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Monday, September 08, 2008 9:33 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Case 1 : 365 Day's > > > Vimshottari'> > > > s Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > There are yogas known popularly to most people, though, > The > > > Jatak> > > > Tatwa contains thousands of the yogas. Howebver, at various > > other> > > > classics lot many yogas are given.> > > > > > As i said, The yoga i mentioned to have seen in Indira > Ji's > > > chart is> > > > given in Kalyan Verma's Sarawali :> > > > > > He says : Bhupatim Anupam Veeryam Nripati Gunauha > > MrigeJatam,> > > > > > BahuDarPutra Mitram Janayati GuruVeekschhitah > Chandraha !!> > > > > > Above shloka is an exception to Karka lagna born natives > as> > > > mentioned in the classic.> > > > > > I wanted you and other elders to look at how perfectly > 365 > > > day's> > > > based dasha results match with the events happened Indira > Ji's > > > life. A> > > > perfect example, A fitting example.> > > > > > Assassination : Despite trying hard and applying lot's > of > > > methods> > > > Sri K.N Rao could not pin point the very reason why she got > > > assasinated> > > > when Mars and 8'th house has no role in her chart, In fact, > > > people have> > > > common tendency to explore only obvious, Though Sri K.N Rao > is > > > still> > > > doing research with same jeal that we are doing in our > group, > > he > > > didn't> > > > reach the exact cause.> > > > > > The cause is pretty simple, 11'th lord's placement in > 6'th > > > and 6'th> > > > lord's placement in 11th, Jatak Tatwa is very clear :> > > > > > 1. " Vari Pato (6'th lord) Labhgate Krure Maranam > > Vipakschhato> > > > Bhavati Taskar Krita Hanih"> > > > > > 2. "Labha Adhipe Sasthagate SuVairam.... Mritim > SamaaApnoti > > > cha> > > > ChaurHastat" .> > > > > > Above shows the possible cause of death in her chart, > when > > a > > > pattern> > > > of life came in "Saturn (7'th lord)/Rahu (placed in > 6'th )/Rahu,> > > > "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of attacks > like > > > assault> > > > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"> > > > > > As Parashara states, kindly note the activism of rahu in > > 6'th > > > in> > > > this context. They security gauards killed her in a thievish > > > manner as> > > > given in the classic.> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If I remember well Maharaj yoga is said to arise when > the > > > lord of> > > > lagna> > > > > > > and Lord of the 5th exchange their rasis and in aspect > of > > a> > > > benefic.> > > > > > > Another variation is when the Chara Atmakaraka and > > > Putrakaraka> > > > similarly> > > > > > > exchange rasis and like the first one occupy the Lagna > or > > > the 5th> > > > or in> > > > > > > exaltation own etc. Rasis in aspect of a benefic it is > > > caused.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Which Maharaj yoga are you referring to here?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gurus and Groups,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In order to prove the perfection of Vmishottari > Dasha, > > > Pls.> > > > check the> > > > > > > > Smt Indira Gandhi's case.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This has been a critical chart for most astro > stalwards,> > > > however,> > > > > > > > those who read clasics, it was just another chart to > > > analyse, I> > > > spent> > > > > > > > some time on this chart to show how deep we can go > and > > > how far> > > > we can> > > > > > > > see with the help of astrology in reading one's > life, > > > Asrtology> > > > is a> > > > > > > > tool to understand one's own life> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It's easy to find a* powerful Mahaaraj Yoga*, it's > an > > > exception> > > > given> > > > > > > > to Moon placed in Capricorn aspected by Jupitor from > > > Taurus,> > > > which is> > > > > > > > placed in house of gains 11'th, I have seen people > are > > > running> > > > from> > > > > > > > piller to post to find explanations by exchange etc, > > this> > > > happens when> > > > > > > > a person does not have knowledge of classics like > those > > > people> > > > who are> > > > > > > > trying to convince u not to look at their flaws, > This > > man > > > with> > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > + Ketu in lagna needs to be pinned down, let's focus > on > > > our case> > > > study -> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Indira Ji's Death :* Sri K.N Rao has tried 4 > different > > > methods> > > > to> > > > > > > > find a timing and astrological cause for her > > > assasination, In> > > > his> > > > > > > > book, I found all the times he is missing the key, > Just > > > have a> > > > look at> > > > > > > > the dasha sequence : She was running *Saturn (7'th > > > lord)/Rahu> > > > (placed> > > > > > > > in 6'th )/Rahu, Parashara states : *> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of > > attacks > > > like> > > > assault> > > > > > > > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > See, how close our sage is in his judgements, Above > > > result is> > > > found> > > > > > > > only applying 365 day's based dasha sequence.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Indira j's Marriage : *See the 365 day's dasha > > sequence, > > > in the> > > > > > > > mahadasha of Rahu who is conjunct Venus placed in > 6'th, > > I > > > have> > > > 6'th> > > > > > > > house gives liking for others, Rahu has done it's > work > > > and she> > > > liked> > > > > > > > to lead a life with Feroz Gandhi, Saturn the 7'th > lord's> > > > AntarDasha> > > > > > > > was running and this 7'th lord is placed in Lagna, > The > > > famous,> > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > - Moon axis, in lagna and in 7'th ensures the > > widowhood, > > > the> > > > dasha> > > > > > > > sequence was *Rahu/Saturn/ Saturn, The marriage > > happened > > > in> > > > March 1942.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > /*First ministery after Father's death :* June 1964, > > The > > > dasha> > > > > > > > sequence is /* Jupiter/Venus/ Jupiter, Parashara > says - > > *> > > > Opulent> > > > > > > > wealth, acquisition of kingdom, clothes, pearls > etc., > > > jewellery,> > > > > > > > elephant, horse and position (grade)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Do u notice, the functioning of Maharaja Yoga, how > Ju > > > forms in> > > > Smt> > > > > > > > Indira's horoscope, confers her Ministership in it's > > > Period and> > > > > > > > subperiod of Venus.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Prime Ministershp : See again how component's of > > Maharaj > > > Yoga's> > > > are> > > > > > > > working, She became Indian Prime Minister in 1972 in> > > > > > > > *Saturn/Saturn/ Venus/Jupitor period. You can also > > learn > > > Venus> > > > and> > > > > > > > Jupitor are not mutual enemy, rather they act as > > > complementary> > > > to each> > > > > > > > other.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *I have found Guru/Sukra's functioning quite opposit > to > > > what Sri> > > > K.N> > > > > > > > Rao stated in his book - Nehru Dynasty.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In the groups I see, some mediocres are good in > making > > > lobby to> > > > block> > > > > > > > the true knowledge of astrology and to hide their > > > imperfection,> > > > they> > > > > > > > can also learn from my research...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now, Group, you can understand why i dont need to > apply> > > > Ashtakvarga> > > > > > > > etc.. coz I have seen excellance of 365 day's based > > > Vimshottari> > > > Dasha,> > > > > > > > if it's applied with Transits, it's superb, All the > > > results are> > > > > > > > derived applying Lahiri Ayanamsha.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will continue .....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Lalit,

 

As I said earlier, I prefer not to have nay opinions about the mental state of politicians as they are good at camouflaging it. Then one is never certain about the birth data, specially of the Indian politicians who are very secretive about their birth details. Having said that, I would not say Indira lacking courage from what little I know of her life. But then this is always a matter of opinion.

 

 

Nathuram's chart does have a Maalavya yoga in 10th. I would not think he was indoctrinated, only that he was hotheaded and a deep thinker, who felt let down by Mahatma. If I remember right, in his early days he had great faith in Mahatma. His lagna lord is severely afflicted and that could be the reason of his early death at the hands of King (Sun and Rahu with Mercury who is in Paapakartari).

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

 

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Sunday, September 14, 2008 1:42 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

If we look at astrology's point of view, Indira Ji was not as corageous as extolled by Atal Bihari Bajpai, our classics clearly says, if 3rd lord is Mercury, one will not be great courageous, but when she get's tint of Saturnine aspect on her 3rd house, she might have had some kind of deterrence to situation and opposition, Saturn's aspect in 3rd and Mars's aspect on 5'th house of ideas and emotions, put togather, it confers bit of cruelity when a favorable situation is perceptible even at distant horizon, this is how i read Guru's aspect on 5'th placed mercury - the strategy maker.

As the degree of courage is not very high, we can expect that one will be of compromising nature and will not stand for the constant fight or will not face up the situation, Budha is a quick Graha, so, in order to find a quick relief, so, one may have idea of gettign quick relief in the hindsight of the mind, even, one can avoid serious issues, at the same time, this Saturn aspects her moon also, this also fills a depairness and fear in mind, In my case also when my Saturn Dasha was running, I used to get afread of, worried on unknown reasons, coz, Saturn aspects my moon also. So, we can understand why Indira Ji has let the victory of BanglaDesh war go away like nothing, this is the only war which has produced no result in history, It has no significance attached to Indian history.

Well, following is the Nathuram Godse's chart, 6'th lord Mangal is placed in Lagna aspected by Saturn from the 11'th which is again Mesha rashi. Seems a nice brilliant man has become victim of some cheap/ cunning people who used him as a tool to kill Mahtma Gandhi. We also notice, this Mangal further aspects Moon and Guru in the Budha's rasi, so, the strategic instigation injected to his mind by some hidden conspirers so intense that hardly any room was left for him to review what disgusting act he was doing. Mangal and Sani has put him in bad company, 11'th placed Sani who owns 8'th and 9'th house, indicates that Nathuram who appears to belong to a good family and of some intellectual height, was a case of brainwash.

Birth Chart (Lagna)

I will do dasha analysis later on.

regards,Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > There is no doubt that dashas applied to planetary configuration can show some personality changes when transits of the slow movers are also brought in. However it is too easy to presume reasons for a politician's action, when analyzing a politician's chart one has to be either totally neutral and analyze the chart or one can be led to draw wrong conclusions. That is one reason why while analyzing charts of politicians I prefer to concentrate on only the known facts and not speculate on the motives of the politicians. They are past masters in camouflaging their real interests.> > Whether the nationalization of banks was done in national interest of to have access to large coffers of cash with the banks and to benefit troublesome politicians and toadies of the people in power, is a debatable issue. Same is the case with privy purses. That happened as none of the Maharajas paid homage to her and the Congress Party and opposed her. Or with the shameful manner in which the, Simla agreement was effected. I do not think there is a single instant in the history of the world where a victor has let go of 93000 war prisoners on the verbal assurance of non aggression in future. The unnecessary taking of sides in the east and west Pakistan conflict to shore up her political fortunes rid Pakistan of its internal problems and now we have terrorists being supported by both Bangladesh whom she helped and Pakistan being infiltrated by their government and killing our citizens, including the attacks in Delhi today. I, for one would not call her entire behavior as being in the interest of the nation. It appears to be more for grabbing power at any cost.> > Any way, I think Nathuram Godse was born in Baramati on May 19, 1910 @ 8.29 a.m. . If you want do analyze his chart.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Saturday, September 13, 2008 2:19 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > Dear Sir,> > This is a very exciting point, to be able to underscore the shift of > one's personality built with respect to change in dasha, how > planetary configurations change one's psyche is really interesting, > how a decoit becomes sage valmiki and vice verca,In indira's case > till the guru's dasha her attention was on India as her country and > she appeared to be fullfilling her duty otherwise why it was > necessary for her do the nationalization of banks, the pigmy > opposition was not even not able to think of this.> > when she faced opposition to her self assumed ownership of congress > party and successorness to nehru's government, the sense of betrayal > may have perverted her to dictatorship, in the tamasik sani's > mahadasha.> > her is a very interesting chart to understand layers of one's nature > and psychology.> > Guru's aspect on Shashi gives one a spiritual touch, saturn - moon > aspect also brings one into isolatery status to restrospect her > life, same Guru is aspecting Budhha also which surely makes one a > manishi,the same aspect of Guru on Budha makes Dr. Rajendra Prashad > a manishi which is further gets strength with his 9'th lord is > placement in lagna.> > Sir, recently I happen to see, Nathuram Godse's horoscope, that's > also a very interesting and a powerful horoscope and look no way > inferior to Mahatma Gandhi's horoscope, I have his birth details but > dont have information on his place of birth, can u pls. tell me > where he was born, we will try dissecting the mystery of that > horoscope.> > regards,> Lalit> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > I do not agree that nationalization of banks and removal of privy > purses and thereby going back on sovereign agreement entered into by > our founding fathers constitutes being Paropkari. Giving slogans > like garibi hato is not paropkar, removal of poverty is. I do not > know if you remember the days of emergency and the rule of Indira, > but Paropkar was the last thing she ever contemplated. > > > > Indira and spirituality is something that can be more a figment of > imagination than fact. Dictators are not spiritual.> > > > I have the Sanskrit edition of Saravali and also the commentary on > it by Murlidhar Chaturvedi, so sending R. Santhanam's version may > not be any more useful. My cupboards are already bulging with too > many astrological texts and copies of some manuscripts and having > three copies of the same text may not be a good idea. So do not take > trouble to send it to me. If you want to know anything from Saravali > and my opinion on it, you could give the shloka and the chapter and > I shall try to give my opinion. I am sure that you know that my > opinion may not always be in line with the popular sentiments.> > > > take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Friday, September 12, 2008 7:44 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Guru's (Paropkarita) beneficence filled in Indira Ji's persona > should > > be seen in nationalization of banks, removal of Privy Purse and > other > > such measures that she took in Guru's period which reflects in > her > > slogan "Garibi Hatao". She has a clear spiritual side also in > her > > chart.> > > > I w'd like to send u a copy of Sarawali that I have, which is > > interpreted by R. Santhanam in english, pls. give ur address. We > have > > learnt a lot from u and if i m given an opportunity to present a > > copy, will help me overcoming "Guru Rina" this is how i think.> > > > regards,> > Lalit. > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > I could find the shloka when you indicated the chapter. That > refers > > to graha in certain rasis. But nowhere does it talk about > special > > case of Karka lagna that you talked about. Could you throw more > light > > on this?> > > > > > I do not take yogas in isolation. The best example, why I > neither > > do that nor advise anyone to do so, is Indira's chart. If we > take the > > yogas literally, then why only look at Guru's aspect and not of > Shani > > or how to interpret, since no yoga mentions both Shani and Guru > > aspecting Chandra in Makara? Again if you want to take the yoga > > literally, then you have a Nripati and Bhupati or as you prefer > to > > call it Maharaja every 5 years in every month as Chandra > transits > > Makara at least once in a year and Guru will be in Taurus, > Cancer or > > Virgo every five years. I doubt there are those many kingdoms to > > accommodate those many Maharajas in the world.> > > > > > I do not think anybody looked at Indira as Paropkari. > > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:14 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > I dont know about personal life of Indira Ji, I m aware of > what > > you > > > are quoting, but, i do not have any information because that > was > > the > > > period befor my birth, you people w'd have seen that period > and > > w'd > > > be aware of that.> > > > > > I m happy that u at least could locate this shloka mentioned > by > > me, > > > that shloka has two terms "BHUPATI" and "NRIPATI" to denote > the > > > Maharaaj Yoga, though the yoga is not exclusively given > > in "RajYoga" > > > chapter. > > > > > > Today, In jatak tatwa I found another yoga for death of Indira > > Ji's > > > sons, and this is "Mercury's presence in 5'th when Sani is > placed > > in > > > Lagna", this kills native's sons.> > > > > > written clearly there, so, there are 3 factors causing her > son's > > > untimely death with one saving factor the Guru's aspect which > > > couldn't protect them.> > > > > > Another interesting thing, Sun + Merc in 5'th is said to make > > > somebody cruel whereas Guru in 11'th makes him helpful and > kind-> > > "Paropkari" , have u seen both in Indira Ji's life ?> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > I wrote about Makara lagna indicated by Mrige as you said > that > > > Saravali is mentioning exception about Karka lagna. The shloka > > does > > > not mention any such thing. You also talked about Maharaja > yoga. > > That > > > is why I looked at the Raj yoga chapter. But if you want to > rely > > on > > > that chapter and shloka why not also what it gives two lines > > later as:> > > > > > > > "alasaM malinaM sadhanaM madanaartaM paaradaarikamasatyam| > > > divaakaraputradriSTaH karoti chandro naraM makare||"> > > > meaning when Chandra in Makara receives the aspect of Shani > ( > > which > > > it does in case of Indira, one is lethargic, with bad habits > or > > > dirty, wealthy, of lustful nature, co-habiting with other's > wives > > and > > > a liar.> > > > > > > > Do you agree this describes Indira, especially after you say > > she > > > wanted to live with Feroze? Think about this deeply.> > > > > > > > I have never said that one should not do research in > astrology. > > On > > > the other hand research must necessarily contain supportive > > shlokas > > > as well as shlokas that are against one's premise, letting the > > > readers decide what is right.> > > > > > > > I can not comment on whether one acharya was right or other, > > > especially when the other one has already acknowledged the > debt > > of > > > the earlier acharya, himself. I do not think Kalyanaverma says > > that > > > since Varaha Mihira has written in brief and Yavanacharya has > > written > > > at too much length, he is taking essence of the two in his > text. > > So > > > he at least does not seem to have given up the principles > given > > by > > > Yavana.> > > > > > > > I am not certifying Varaha Mihira as having given undiluted > > version > > > of the shastra or anything like that. merely stating the > factual > > > position about what Kalyan Verma says in Saravali.> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > litsol > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:51 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's > > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > Sometimes one author covers some yogas in a chapter whereas > > > another> > > > author covers then in another chapter, depends on author to > > > author. The> > > > details are as under -> > > > > > > > 1. I quoted the shloka from Saravali's english version done > by > > R.> > > > Santhanam in chapter 23, "Chandra Chara Adhayaa", it's the > > shloka > > > no 69.> > > > > > > > In the shloka "Mrige" means, Moon placed in Makara not the > > Makara> > > > lagna.> > > > > > > > 2. In tha Jatak Tatva's Ekadash Vivek, Shloka no 416 is > where > > > author> > > > says about a killing if 11'th lord goes to 6'th house, a > > similar > > > shloka> > > > is found in "Sastha Vivek", I have Hindi version of Jatak > > Tatwa, > > > edited> > > > by Sri Harishankar Pathak, published by Chaukhamba, Varanasi.> > > > > > > > I must admire Sri Harishankar Pathak for the clarity and > > examples > > > that> > > > he has given in his both the books - Sarvartha Chintamani > and > > > Jatak> > > > Tatwa, he has no compare with others.> > > > > > > > I m not doing a new thing, in every age there have been > research> > > > oriented people, Kalyan Verma the great author of Saravali, > > who, > > > luckily> > > > belongs to my place Rewa (Sir, You are the first to tell me > > this) > > > has> > > > clearly said in the preface of his work - "> > > > > > > > "HoraTantram Rachitam Varah Mihirena Sankschhepat .......... > > > Sakalam> > > > Asaram Tyaktwa Lakschhye Saaram Samudhhritya".> > > > > > > > That means - In the Hora Tantras written by Varah Mihira, > what > > is > > > given> > > > in brief, I have elaborated but rejected everything useless > > > (Tyaktwa> > > > Sakala Asaram) and taken only useful (Saaram Samudhhritya).> > > > > > > > Now, I feel the bad sensation that felt after picking up one > of > > > the> > > > varah mihira's book was not a madness, definitely he was the > > man > > > who > > > > did some corruption to the vedic astrology along with doing > > great > > > work.> > > > I have seen, Another great authority of Sanskrit > > > Literature "Banbhatta"> > > > criticizing VarahMihira and other Yavanas where they are > wrong > > but> > > > appreciating where they are correct, Co-> Incidently "banbhatta" > > > also> > > > from my place, Rewa.> > > > > > > > The refininement is an eternal process, and a true respect > to > > our > > > sages> > > > is, instead of getting limited to quoting and worshipping > them, > > we> > > > should follow their path and continue with more and more > > > research, this> > > > is one of aims of my life.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > I would like to get the chapter number and shloka number > > > mentioning> > > > Maharaja yoga in Saravali. I see the shloka that mentions > > > Maharaja yoga> > > > in Saravali at Adhyaaya 35 shloka 67, but the shloka does > not > > > contain> > > > the words you have given. I do not find that shloka in the > 35th> > > > Adhyaaya, it is possible you have a different edition of > > Saravali > > > which> > > > gives the shloka, hence the request to quote the Chapter and > > > Shloka> > > > number. Again, though refer to Karka (cancer) lagna, the > shloka > > > given by> > > > you talks about Makara lagna as "Mrige" means Makara, as far > as > > I > > > know.> > > > >> > > > > I do not dispute what you might have read and your > > > interpretation. I> > > > would only like to know the shloka number.> > > > >> > > > > Personally I have seen less progeny with Sun in the 5th > and > > > with Mars> > > > aspecting it the progeny is likely to be female. But in case > of > > > Indira,> > > > Sun is conjunct Mercury and gets aspect of Jupiter from > > Upachaya > > > where> > > > it is in exchange with Venus thus giving her male progeny. > > > However this> > > > is all subject to individual interpretation and that is why > I > > do > > > not> > > > want to enter in discussion on that part.> > > > >> > > > > Same is with accepting or otherwise of 365 days for > > > Vimshottari. I> > > > prefer to stick to my opinion in that regard and continuing > > with > > > the> > > > Hindu measure of time as followed in the days the ancient > > > astrological> > > > texts were written. Yet I have no problem if any one wants > to > > use > > > the> > > > 365 day period and is able to predict with fair degree of > > > accuracy.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Tuesday, September 09, 2008 8:12 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Case 1 : 365 Day's> > > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir(s),> > > > >> > > > > Like any horoscope, Indira Ji's horoscope has got > potential > > for> > > > several things as given by Kalyan Verma in his sarawali, > but, > > as > > > you> > > > both the elders have been stating that we should look at a > > chart > > > in> > > > entirety to know what portion of yoga is getting cancelled > by > > > placement> > > > of other grahas, In indira Ji's chart,> > > > >> > > > > Sun's placement in 5'th house is cancelling > the "BahuDarPutra > > > Mitram> > > > Janayati".> > > > >> > > > > I have read in several classics that sun's placement in > 5'th > > > results> > > > in one son with world level name and fame, this is also > proven > > in > > > Indira> > > > Ji's chart. If u need, I will post the supporting shlokas, > > another> > > > factor is Mangal's aspect on 5'th, It's interesting to note > > that > > > Mangal> > > > is aspecting the Sun and I can post the shloka also stating, > > > Mangal's> > > > aspect on Sun causes a brutal death, so, in Indira Ji's > chart > > > there are> > > > 2 clear cases indicating the assassination, Can we > understand as> > > > Mars-Sun aspect occuring in 2nd/5th axis, therefore, it led > to > > > similar> > > > brutal death of her sons as well ?> > > > >> > > > > In fact since when I studied some nadi reading, I got an > > > insight to> > > > look deeper and wider, I feel we can reconstruct the missing > > Nadi> > > > literature, provided we all work togather.> > > > >> > > > > In order to prove and establish accuracy of 365 day's based> > > > Vimshottari Dasha, I will post more stunning cases. Thaks to > > god > > > who> > > > enabled me to think in this angle.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit Mishra.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem > > krishnan> > > > bursar_99@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > You have rightly ponited out that bahudaraputra janyete > is > > not> > > > relevant to Indira ji.About Vimsottari dasa is based on 365 > > days > > > count> > > > or otherwise is not athing to be justified based on > > > interpretations like> > > > this.let;s ofcourse know from various books but can not > afford > > to > > > rush> > > > to inferences.Views of authors in Astrology are very wide as > > they> > > > adopted different stand for interpretations.such inputs have > to > > be> > > > verified before we are convinced about the deliberations> > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/8/08, Chandrashekhar > sharma.chandrashekhar@ > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@> > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Case 1 : 365 > Day's> > > > Vimshottari's Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:26 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not find the yoga described as maharaja yoga in the > > > shloka you> > > > have provided. Could you give the chapter and verse of > > Saravali? > > > Ditto> > > > for Jataka tatvam? By the way, do you really > > > find "Bahudarputramitra> > > > janayati" in Indira's case? I think you also talked about > her > > > wanting to> > > > be with Feroze, did you read her biography carefully?> > > > > >> > > > > > I differ in whether the assassination goes on to prove > that > > > 365 days> > > > count is right for Vimshottari dasha. But if you think it > does, > > > that is> > > > fine.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Monday, September 08, 2008 9:33 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Case 1 : 365 Day's > > > Vimshottari'> > > > s Perfection (Indira Ji's Assassination)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > There are yogas known popularly to most people, though, > The > > > Jatak> > > > Tatwa contains thousands of the yogas. Howebver, at various > > other> > > > classics lot many yogas are given.> > > > > > As i said, The yoga i mentioned to have seen in Indira > Ji's > > > chart is> > > > given in Kalyan Verma's Sarawali :> > > > > > He says : Bhupatim Anupam Veeryam Nripati Gunauha > > MrigeJatam,> > > > > > BahuDarPutra Mitram Janayati GuruVeekschhitah > Chandraha !!> > > > > > Above shloka is an exception to Karka lagna born natives > as> > > > mentioned in the classic.> > > > > > I wanted you and other elders to look at how perfectly > 365 > > > day's> > > > based dasha results match with the events happened Indira > Ji's > > > life. A> > > > perfect example, A fitting example.> > > > > > Assassination : Despite trying hard and applying lot's > of > > > methods> > > > Sri K.N Rao could not pin point the very reason why she got > > > assasinated> > > > when Mars and 8'th house has no role in her chart, In fact, > > > people have> > > > common tendency to explore only obvious, Though Sri K.N Rao > is > > > still> > > > doing research with same jeal that we are doing in our > group, > > he > > > didn't> > > > reach the exact cause.> > > > > > The cause is pretty simple, 11'th lord's placement in > 6'th > > > and 6'th> > > > lord's placement in 11th, Jatak Tatwa is very clear :> > > > > > 1. " Vari Pato (6'th lord) Labhgate Krure Maranam > > Vipakschhato> > > > Bhavati Taskar Krita Hanih"> > > > > > 2. "Labha Adhipe Sasthagate SuVairam.... Mritim > SamaaApnoti > > > cha> > > > ChaurHastat" .> > > > > > Above shows the possible cause of death in her chart, > when > > a > > > pattern> > > > of life came in "Saturn (7'th lord)/Rahu (placed in > 6'th )/Rahu,> > > > "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of attacks > like > > > assault> > > > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"> > > > > > As Parashara states, kindly note the activism of rahu in > > 6'th > > > in> > > > this context. They security gauards killed her in a thievish > > > manner as> > > > given in the classic.> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If I remember well Maharaj yoga is said to arise when > the > > > lord of> > > > lagna> > > > > > > and Lord of the 5th exchange their rasis and in aspect > of > > a> > > > benefic.> > > > > > > Another variation is when the Chara Atmakaraka and > > > Putrakaraka> > > > similarly> > > > > > > exchange rasis and like the first one occupy the Lagna > or > > > the 5th> > > > or in> > > > > > > exaltation own etc. Rasis in aspect of a benefic it is > > > caused.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Which Maharaj yoga are you referring to here?> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Gurus and Groups,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In order to prove the perfection of Vmishottari > Dasha, > > > Pls.> > > > check the> > > > > > > > Smt Indira Gandhi's case.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This has been a critical chart for most astro > stalwards,> > > > however,> > > > > > > > those who read clasics, it was just another chart to > > > analyse, I> > > > spent> > > > > > > > some time on this chart to show how deep we can go > and > > > how far> > > > we can> > > > > > > > see with the help of astrology in reading one's > life, > > > Asrtology> > > > is a> > > > > > > > tool to understand one's own life> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It's easy to find a* powerful Mahaaraj Yoga*, it's > an > > > exception> > > > given> > > > > > > > to Moon placed in Capricorn aspected by Jupitor from > > > Taurus,> > > > which is> > > > > > > > placed in house of gains 11'th, I have seen people > are > > > running> > > > from> > > > > > > > piller to post to find explanations by exchange etc, > > this> > > > happens when> > > > > > > > a person does not have knowledge of classics like > those > > > people> > > > who are> > > > > > > > trying to convince u not to look at their flaws, > This > > man > > > with> > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > + Ketu in lagna needs to be pinned down, let's focus > on > > > our case> > > > study -> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Indira Ji's Death :* Sri K.N Rao has tried 4 > different > > > methods> > > > to> > > > > > > > find a timing and astrological cause for her > > > assasination, In> > > > his> > > > > > > > book, I found all the times he is missing the key, > Just > > > have a> > > > look at> > > > > > > > the dasha sequence : She was running *Saturn (7'th > > > lord)/Rahu> > > > (placed> > > > > > > > in 6'th )/Rahu, Parashara states : *> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "Confinement, various diseases, different kind of > > attacks > > > like> > > > assault> > > > > > > > by weapons (on body) and fear from friends"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > See, how close our sage is in his judgements, Above > > > result is> > > > found> > > > > > > > only applying 365 day's based dasha sequence.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *Indira j's Marriage : *See the 365 day's dasha > > sequence, > > > in the> > > > > > > > mahadasha of Rahu who is conjunct Venus placed in > 6'th, > > I > > > have> > > > 6'th> > > > > > > > house gives liking for others, Rahu has done it's > work > > > and she> > > > liked> > > > > > > > to lead a life with Feroz Gandhi, Saturn the 7'th > lord's> > > > AntarDasha> > > > > > > > was running and this 7'th lord is placed in Lagna, > The > > > famous,> > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > - Moon axis, in lagna and in 7'th ensures the > > widowhood, > > > the> > > > dasha> > > > > > > > sequence was *Rahu/Saturn/ Saturn, The marriage > > happened > > > in> > > > March 1942.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > /*First ministery after Father's death :* June 1964, > > The > > > dasha> > > > > > > > sequence is /* Jupiter/Venus/ Jupiter, Parashara > says - > > *> > > > Opulent> > > > > > > > wealth, acquisition of kingdom, clothes, pearls > etc., > > > jewellery,> > > > > > > > elephant, horse and position (grade)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Do u notice, the functioning of Maharaja Yoga, how > Ju > > > forms in> > > > Smt> > > > > > > > Indira's horoscope, confers her Ministership in it's > > > Period and> > > > > > > > subperiod of Venus.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Prime Ministershp : See again how component's of > > Maharaj > > > Yoga's> > > > are> > > > > > > > working, She became Indian Prime Minister in 1972 in> > > > > > > > *Saturn/Saturn/ Venus/Jupitor period. You can also > > learn > > > Venus> > > > and> > > > > > > > Jupitor are not mutual enemy, rather they act as > > > complementary> > > > to each> > > > > > > > other.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > *I have found Guru/Sukra's functioning quite opposit > to > > > what Sri> > > > K.N> > > > > > > > Rao stated in his book - Nehru Dynasty.*> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In the groups I see, some mediocres are good in > making > > > lobby to> > > > block> > > > > > > > the true knowledge of astrology and to hide their > > > imperfection,> > > > they> > > > > > > > can also learn from my research...> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now, Group, you can understand why i dont need to > apply> > > > Ashtakvarga> > > > > > > > etc.. coz I have seen excellance of 365 day's based > > > Vimshottari> > > > Dasha,> > > > > > > > if it's applied with Transits, it's superb, All the > > > results are> > > > > > > > derived applying Lahiri Ayanamsha.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will continue .....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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