To Chandrashekhar Sir --- Ketu Exaltation...

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Dear Lalit,

 

Unfortunately Jaimini is not even listed amongst the 18 Pravartakas of astrology. That does not belittle his contribution or knowledge, but he himself also advises to study the standard texts for whatever is not specifically commented upon by him. There are many ownerships and exaltation signs and Mool trikonas given for Rahu and Ketu in ancient texts and the not so ancient ones. Both Jaimini and Parashara give Kumbha and Vrishchika at the rasis co-owned by Rahu and Ketu. They also talk about Vrishchika being exaltation sign of Ketu. here is the problem. If Vrishchika is both the own and exaltation rasi of Ketu what is the span of degrees till which it is own rasi and what span is for exaltation rasi? Since there is no comment on this in both the texts, the exaltation rasis given by them appear to be not quite right, to me.

 

In case of Jaimini sutras, it is generally accepted that there were a total of 8 chapters written. Only 2 of them were initially found. The next two were a later day find but in those chapter there is some confusion on the order of sutras. Sutras being very difficult to interpret in the first place and their order being of prime importance to unravel them, not everything is known about Jaimini, though may like to claim otherwise. This is something one must realize before trying to apply Jaimini principles selectively. It is also well to remember that Jaimini considers only Rasi aspects. One of my close friend Bhagvat has done a lot of research on Jaimini and I too have many manuscripts and other commentaries on Jaimini and some Vriddha Karikas that deal with the subject.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

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litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Friday, September 12, 2008 8:09 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: To Chandrashekhar Sir --- Ketu Exaltation...

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

I think Jaimini Astrology explains how and when Rahu Ketu's lordship should be considered.

Saurabh, for u, i m posting following infomation on Jaimini which i took from the net, I have a very good book on Jaimini Sutras, that u can collect from me, if inerested to read - Lalit

Basic features of Jaimini Astrology

The knowledge that we have on Jaimini Astrology today is based on an ancient text known as Jaimini Sutras, which is divided into four chapters or Adhyayas, where this unique system of Hindu astrology has been explained in about 1000 sutras. In many cases the meaning of these sutras are very confusing and difficult to understand. The sutras in themselves are very short and concise in composition and a kind of coded language has been used. Naturally, this has lead to some errors and misunderstandings in the different translations and commentaries.

However, a deep and serious study leaves the impression that there is a huge and superior intelligence behind these sutras. But since Jaimini-astrology is so much different from the usual Parasari-concept some further explanation is needed.

The Jaimini Aspects

Normally we would say that all planets aspects the 7th house and further Mars aspects the 4th and 8th, Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th and Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th house from their location. But in Jaimini Astrology there is a completely different concept, since the aspects are connected to the Cardinal, Fixed and Common signs:

a) Cardinal signs: Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn.

b) Fixed signs: Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius.

c) Common signs: Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces.

The rules are very simple:

1) A planet in a Cardinal sign aspects all the Fixed signs, except the sign located next to it.

2) A planet in a Fixed sign aspects all the Cardinal signs, except the sign located previous to it,

3) A planet in a Common sign aspects the other three Common signs.

If a planet is placed in say Aries, a Cardinal sign, then it will aspect Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius, but NOT Taurus, since Taurus is next to it.

On the other hand, if we take a planet placed in Leo, which is a Fixed sign, then it will aspect Libra, Capricorn and Aries, but NOT Cancer, which is the previous sign.

When a planet is placed in say Gemini, which a Common sign, then it will aspect Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces, since they are the other three Common signs.

The Karakas

Normally, we consider karakatwa or significations to be always the same in case of each planet. We use the Sun for father, the Moon for mother, Mars for brothers, Jupiter for children, Venus for wife etc. etc. This kind of Karakas is known as Sthira-Karakas, meaning fixed significators.

This is also the case in Jaimini Astrology, and the karakas are also to some extent the same. But Jaimini additionally suggest the use of the following seven Chara-Karakas, meaning the seven changeable significators:

1) Atmakaraka (Own self, considered the strongest planet)

2) Amatyakaraka (Career)

3) Bhratrukaraka (Brothers and sisters)

4) Matrukaraka (Mother)

5) Putrakaraka (Children)

6) Gnatikaraka (Cousins and relations)

7) Darakaraka (Husband, wife)

These seven Karakas are simply identified from the precise degree, minutes and seconds obtained by the different planets. This way a planet at 29 degrees in any sign is considered to be stronger than a planet, which is only at 25 degrees in any sign.

Except for Rahu and Ketu, the planet having most degrees in the sign occupied by him is considered to be the strongest planet in the horoscope and therefore it become the Atmakaraka.

Following the same principle, the second strongest planet becomes Amatyakaraka, then comes Bhratrukaraka followed by Matrukaraka, Putrakaraka, Gnatikara and finally the Darakaraka, which is the planet having least degrees, minutes and seconds in the sign occupied by him.

The special Lagnas

In Jaimini astrology a number of different Ascendants or Lagnas are involved obviously for a lot of different purposes. There are Arudha-Lagna, Upapada-Lagna, Chandra-Lagna, Bhava-Lagna, Hora-Lagna, Ghatika-Lagna, Nisheka-Lagna, Karakamsha-Lagna and Varada-Lagna just to mention some of them. I have found some of these Lagnas to be highly useful.

Upapada

The Upapada-Lagna is found by counting as many signs from the 12th-lord as the 12th-lord is removed from the 12th house. This way, if the 12th house falls in Libra and Venus is in Capricorn, the 4th house from the 12th, then Upapada will be in Aries, which is the 4th from Capricorn.

Upapada works like a kind of relationship-axis. It can be used in cooperation with the normal Ascendant to get a second opinion about elder and younger coborns from the 3rd and 11th house and about children from the 5th and 9th houses. In the same way the 2nd and 7th houses from Upapada can be used profitably in connection to marriage and family.

The 5th and 9th house can be used as a second opinion on children by employing Jaimini's special system of children-planets from both Ascendant and Upapada:

1) Bahuputra grahas: Sun, Jupiter and Rahu (children producing planets)

2) Ekaputra grahas: Moon (Giver of only one son - meaning mostly daughters)

3) Anapatya grahas: Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Mars (Not children producing)

However, I only think Upapada should be used in connection to relations like marriage, sibling and children. To find out about profession, educations, land and house etc., I would use the Karakamsha.

Karakamsha

The Karakamsha-Lagna is simply identified from the Navamsa occupied by the Atmakaraka. But the Karakamsha is used in the birth-chart (Rasi Chakra) rather than the Navamsa-Chart.

This was clearly explained for the very first time in Mr. K. N. Rao's book Karakamsha and Jaimini's Mandooka Dasha, and this information opened a whole new dimension to me, since a number of important predictions can be given based on Karakamsha.

Jaimini himself is very specific about this and has explained about the meaning of the planets in the 12 houses from Karakamsha in a very elaborate manner covering almost a complete chapter in his Jaimini Sutras.

In some cases where the birth time was doubtful and I could not find out the correct Ascendant, I have depended completely on the Karakamsha-Lagna and got some very nice delinations from that.

The Jaimini Dashas

In Jaimini-astrology the Dasa-systems are based on Rasis or signs and not on Nakshatras and planets like in Vimsottari Dasa etc. There are many different Dasas in Jaimini like Chara-Dasa, Sthira-Dasa, Trikona-Dasa, Shoola-Dasa, Varnada-Dasa, Navamsa-Dasa, Brahma-Dasa, Yogardha-Dasa, Drig-Dasa and Mandooka-dasa just to mention a few of them.

However, with many of these Dasas there seem to be certain conditions like planetary patterns that have to be fulfilled, meaning that many of the Dasa-systems should not be used unless their particular conditions are present in the horoscope under consideration.

four of these Dasa-systems seem to be for universal use for all horoscopes:

1) Chara-Dasa

2) Sthira-Dasa

3) Niryana-Shoola-Dasa

4) Navamsa-Dasa.

 

These unique sign-based Dasa-systems are the backbone of the timing of the events in Jaimini Astrology, and if used together with the transits it is possible to make fairly accurate predictions from them simply by following the predictive rules given in Jaimini Sutras combined with good judgement and practical experience.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , saurabh chaturvedi <chaturvedisaurabh2002 wrote:>> Respected Sir,>  > Yes, Bhavartha Ratnakar shows the points as I mentioned in the last mail. > Also for Rahu, it gives Taurus as sign of exaltation and Gemini as well as Cancer Mooltrikona signs.>  > Thanks and regards,>  saurabh  > > > "Kuchh Sapanon Ke Mar Jaane Se, Jeevan Nahin Maraa Karataa Hai">  > >  >  > > --- On Thu, 11/9/08, Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:> > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] To Chandrashekhar Sir --- Ketu Exaltation...> Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Thursday, 11 September, 2008, 11:49 PM> > > > > > >  > Dear Saurabh,>  > I would not say that applies universally. Much would depend on the bhavas occupied by the nodes and the bhava lord. Are you certain that Bhavartha Ratnakar gives Scorpio as the house of exaltation of Ketu and two signs that is Sagittarius and Capricorn as its Moola Trikona? I have never seen any graha being allocated two rasis as Moola trikona of a single planet in any single gastro text. But it is possible that memory fails me.>  > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.>  >  > > - > saurabh chaturvedi > Vedic Astrology > Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:09 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] To Chandrashekhar Sir --- Ketu Exaltation.. .> > > > Respected Sir,> > As we know that when Rahu is in the sign of exaltation (or in Mooltrikona sign), it provides political name and fame in its dasha/bhukti (As also mentioned in ‘Bhavartha Ratnakar’).> But this classic does not give the results of Ketu when it is in the sign of exaltation or in the Mooltrikona sign. > Actually it gives that for Ketu---> Sigh of Exaltation-- - Scorpio> Sign of Mooltrikona- -- Sagittarius, Capricorn> > Which type of results do you expect?> > Thanks and Regards,> saurabh> > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *****> "Kuchh Sapanon Ke Mar Jaane Se, Jeevan Nahin Maraa Karataa Hai"    > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/>

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Dear Lalit,

 

Jaimini, has given a different pint of view of looking at the permutation and combination of planets and rasis/bhavas. Those who are well versed in Jaimini and I understand that there are quite a few in Andhra Pradesh, can give some astounding predictions.

 

Take care,

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

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litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:46 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: To Chandrashekhar Sir --- Ketu Exaltation...

 

 

Dear Sir,You are quite right, this shows the wealth of knowledge u have on both Jaimini and Parashari Paddhati. We are fortunate that u are with us and so active and are unaffected by the people's insulting attack on me.For the same reson, I have dropped the idea of exaltation, rather, started taking Ketu as owner of Vrishika and Rahu as owner of Kumbha.I also accept Rahu gives good results in Vrisabha.The Jaimini's theory is quite fascinating regarding.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > Unfortunately Jaimini is not even listed amongst the 18 Pravartakas of astrology. That does not belittle his contribution or knowledge, but he himself also advises to study the standard texts for whatever is not specifically commented upon by him. There are many ownerships and exaltation signs and Mool trikonas given for Rahu and Ketu in ancient texts and the not so ancient ones. Both Jaimini and Parashara give Kumbha and Vrishchika at the rasis co-owned by Rahu and Ketu. They also talk about Vrishchika being exaltation sign of Ketu. here is the problem. If Vrishchika is both the own and exaltation rasi of Ketu what is the span of degrees till which it is own rasi and what span is for exaltation rasi? Since there is no comment on this in both the texts, the exaltation rasis given by them appear to be not quite right, to me. > > In case of Jaimini sutras, it is generally accepted that there were a total of 8 chapters written. Only 2 of them were initially found. The next two were a later day find but in those chapter there is some confusion on the order of sutras. Sutras being very difficult to interpret in the first place and their order being of prime importance to unravel them, not everything is known about Jaimini, though may like to claim otherwise. This is something one must realize before trying to apply Jaimini principles selectively. It is also well to remember that Jaimini considers only Rasi aspects. One of my close friend Bhagvat has done a lot of research on Jaimini and I too have many manuscripts and other commentaries on Jaimini and some Vriddha Karikas that deal with the subject. > > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Friday, September 12, 2008 8:09 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: To Chandrashekhar Sir --- Ketu Exaltation...> > > > Dear Sir,> > I think Jaimini Astrology explains how and when Rahu Ketu's lordship should be considered.> > Saurabh, for u, i m posting following infomation on Jaimini which i took from the net, I have a very good book on Jaimini Sutras, that u can collect from me, if inerested to read - Lalit> > Basic features of Jaimini Astrology > > The knowledge that we have on Jaimini Astrology today is based on an ancient text known as Jaimini Sutras, which is divided into four chapters or Adhyayas, where this unique system of Hindu astrology has been explained in about 1000 sutras. In many cases the meaning of these sutras are very confusing and difficult to understand. The sutras in themselves are very short and concise in composition and a kind of coded language has been used. Naturally, this has lead to some errors and misunderstandings in the different translations and commentaries.> > However, a deep and serious study leaves the impression that there is a huge and superior intelligence behind these sutras. But since Jaimini-astrology is so much different from the usual Parasari-concept some further explanation is needed. > > The Jaimini Aspects > > Normally we would say that all planets aspects the 7th house and further Mars aspects the 4th and 8th, Jupiter aspects the 5th and 9th and Saturn aspects the 3rd and 10th house from their location. But in Jaimini Astrology there is a completely different concept, since the aspects are connected to the Cardinal, Fixed and Common signs: > > a) Cardinal signs: Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn. > > b) Fixed signs: Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. > > c) Common signs: Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces. > > The rules are very simple: > > 1) A planet in a Cardinal sign aspects all the Fixed signs, except the sign located next to it. > > 2) A planet in a Fixed sign aspects all the Cardinal signs, except the sign located previous to it, > > 3) A planet in a Common sign aspects the other three Common signs. > > If a planet is placed in say Aries, a Cardinal sign, then it will aspect Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius, but NOT Taurus, since Taurus is next to it. > > On the other hand, if we take a planet placed in Leo, which is a Fixed sign, then it will aspect Libra, Capricorn and Aries, but NOT Cancer, which is the previous sign. > > When a planet is placed in say Gemini, which a Common sign, then it will aspect Virgo, Sagittarius and Pisces, since they are the other three Common signs. > > The Karakas > > Normally, we consider karakatwa or significations to be always the same in case of each planet. We use the Sun for father, the Moon for mother, Mars for brothers, Jupiter for children, Venus for wife etc. etc. This kind of Karakas is known as Sthira-Karakas, meaning fixed significators. > > This is also the case in Jaimini Astrology, and the karakas are also to some extent the same. But Jaimini additionally suggest the use of the following seven Chara-Karakas, meaning the seven changeable significators: > > 1) Atmakaraka (Own self, considered the strongest planet) > > 2) Amatyakaraka (Career) > > 3) Bhratrukaraka (Brothers and sisters) > > 4) Matrukaraka (Mother) > > 5) Putrakaraka (Children) > > 6) Gnatikaraka (Cousins and relations) > > 7) Darakaraka (Husband, wife) > > These seven Karakas are simply identified from the precise degree, minutes and seconds obtained by the different planets. This way a planet at 29 degrees in any sign is considered to be stronger than a planet, which is only at 25 degrees in any sign. > > Except for Rahu and Ketu, the planet having most degrees in the sign occupied by him is considered to be the strongest planet in the horoscope and therefore it become the Atmakaraka. > > Following the same principle, the second strongest planet becomes Amatyakaraka, then comes Bhratrukaraka followed by Matrukaraka, Putrakaraka, Gnatikara and finally the Darakaraka, which is the planet having least degrees, minutes and seconds in the sign occupied by him. > > The special Lagnas > > In Jaimini astrology a number of different Ascendants or Lagnas are involved obviously for a lot of different purposes. There are Arudha-Lagna, Upapada-Lagna, Chandra-Lagna, Bhava-Lagna, Hora-Lagna, Ghatika-Lagna, Nisheka-Lagna, Karakamsha-Lagna and Varada-Lagna just to mention some of them. I have found some of these Lagnas to be highly useful. > > Upapada > > The Upapada-Lagna is found by counting as many signs from the 12th-lord as the 12th-lord is removed from the 12th house. This way, if the 12th house falls in Libra and Venus is in Capricorn, the 4th house from the 12th, then Upapada will be in Aries, which is the 4th from Capricorn. > > Upapada works like a kind of relationship-axis. It can be used in cooperation with the normal Ascendant to get a second opinion about elder and younger coborns from the 3rd and 11th house and about children from the 5th and 9th houses. In the same way the 2nd and 7th houses from Upapada can be used profitably in connection to marriage and family. > > The 5th and 9th house can be used as a second opinion on children by employing Jaimini's special system of children-planets from both Ascendant and Upapada:> > 1) Bahuputra grahas: Sun, Jupiter and Rahu (children producing planets) > > 2) Ekaputra grahas: Moon (Giver of only one son - meaning mostly daughters) > > 3) Anapatya grahas: Mercury, Venus, Saturn, Mars (Not children producing) > > However, I only think Upapada should be used in connection to relations like marriage, sibling and children. To find out about profession, educations, land and house etc., I would use the Karakamsha.> > Karakamsha > > The Karakamsha-Lagna is simply identified from the Navamsa occupied by the Atmakaraka. But the Karakamsha is used in the birth-chart (Rasi Chakra) rather than the Navamsa-Chart. > > This was clearly explained for the very first time in Mr. K. N. Rao's book Karakamsha and Jaimini's Mandooka Dasha, and this information opened a whole new dimension to me, since a number of important predictions can be given based on Karakamsha. > > Jaimini himself is very specific about this and has explained about the meaning of the planets in the 12 houses from Karakamsha in a very elaborate manner covering almost a complete chapter in his Jaimini Sutras.> > In some cases where the birth time was doubtful and I could not find out the correct Ascendant, I have depended completely on the Karakamsha-Lagna and got some very nice delinations from that. > > The Jaimini Dashas > > In Jaimini-astrology the Dasa-systems are based on Rasis or signs and not on Nakshatras and planets like in Vimsottari Dasa etc. There are many different Dasas in Jaimini like Chara-Dasa, Sthira-Dasa, Trikona-Dasa, Shoola-Dasa, Varnada-Dasa, Navamsa-Dasa, Brahma-Dasa, Yogardha-Dasa, Drig-Dasa and Mandooka-dasa just to mention a few of them. > > However, with many of these Dasas there seem to be certain conditions like planetary patterns that have to be fulfilled, meaning that many of the Dasa-systems should not be used unless their particular conditions are present in the horoscope under consideration. > > four of these Dasa-systems seem to be for universal use for all horoscopes: > > 1) Chara-Dasa > > 2) Sthira-Dasa > > 3) Niryana-Shoola-Dasa> > 4) Navamsa-Dasa.> > > > These unique sign-based Dasa-systems are the backbone of the timing of the events in Jaimini Astrology, and if used together with the transits it is possible to make fairly accurate predictions from them simply by following the predictive rules given in Jaimini Sutras combined with good judgement and practical experience.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , saurabh chaturvedi <chaturvedisaurabh2002@> wrote:> >> > Respected Sir,> >  > > Yes, Bhavartha Ratnakar shows the points as I mentioned in the last mail. > > Also for Rahu, it gives Taurus as sign of exaltation and Gemini as well as Cancer Mooltrikona signs.> >  > > Thanks and regards,> >  saurabh  > > > > > > "Kuchh Sapanon Ke Mar Jaane Se, Jeevan Nahin Maraa Karataa Hai"> >  > > > >  > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 11/9/08, Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@> > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] To Chandrashekhar Sir --- Ketu Exaltation...> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Thursday, 11 September, 2008, 11:49 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > Dear Saurabh,> >  > > I would not say that applies universally. Much would depend on the bhavas occupied by the nodes and the bhava lord. Are you certain that Bhavartha Ratnakar gives Scorpio as the house of exaltation of Ketu and two signs that is Sagittarius and Capricorn as its Moola Trikona? I have never seen any graha being allocated two rasis as Moola trikona of a single planet in any single gastro text. But it is possible that memory fails me.> >  > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >  > >  > > > > - > > saurabh chaturvedi > > Vedic Astrology > > Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:09 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] To Chandrashekhar Sir --- Ketu Exaltation.. .> > > > > > > > Respected Sir,> > > > As we know that when Rahu is in the sign of exaltation (or in Mooltrikona sign), it provides political name and fame in its dasha/bhukti (As also mentioned in â?~Bhavartha Ratnakarâ?T).> > But this classic does not give the results of Ketu when it is in the sign of exaltation or in the Mooltrikona sign. > > Actually it gives that for Ketu---> > Sigh of Exaltation-- - Scorpio> > Sign of Mooltrikona- -- Sagittarius, Capricorn> > > > Which type of results do you expect?> > > > Thanks and Regards,> > saurabh> > > > ************ ********* ********* ********* ********* ********* *****> > "Kuchh Sapanon Ke Mar Jaane Se, Jeevan Nahin Maraa Karataa Hai"    > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help. / l/in// mail/mail/ tools/tools- 08.html/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/> >>