Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

In the first chart, I see pravrajya yoga occurring in the 9th bhava which could indicate either giving up father or duties. He does have some raj yogas but they are diluted by Rahu being conjunct the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the Lagna would give the temper, but could you tell what yoga you could locate that would indicate that indicates he is the right material for building India. Of course personally I think that every citizen of this country could help build the country if only he does his own duties properly without expecting the Government to do them for him.

 

In the second case too, the 5th and 9th bhavas seem to suffer to some extent and I for one am not very certain if this is nation building material.

But I could be totally wrong having missed something that you could see. So please elaborate.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

As to the second chart,

 

 

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Monday, September 22, 2008 10:13 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

 

 

 

Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Other Elders,

Presenting two potential horoscopes, to which I think to become contributor for building tomorrow's India, suddenly, I started coming in contact with good guys who can be shaped, they are not born in royal families but they have courage and will to fight for the true cause.

Case 1: He is exceptionally brilliant, very sharp and fiery, an engineer and like my younger brogther, right now he has no spiritual inclinitation but i expect a lot from this guy. Well, as per the indication in the chart and as per his query and desire, I asked him to find a bride of young age and that before Nov 2008, keeping Guru's transit in mind, It was true, I see, a transformation in his post marriage life, what u elders see -

Birth Chart (Lagna)

Navamsa (Spouse)

Caser 2. This is the horoscope, you can verify if Exalted and Retrograde Planets Behave like Debilitated Planets. Have not met this guy yet, but, as the chart indicates, he is very handsom , very convincing guy and have shown courage to speak for the truth, I expect, he will be a contributor for the society -

He suffered great loss in Sun/Saturn/Saturn/Saturn In june, 2006, had to close the shop. The vimshottari Period goes like this"11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006 - Dissipation' of wealth, serious sickness, disintegration of the family, compulsation of taking food separately, deep distress etc"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06 January 1979 05:28:00

 

Place of Birth : Narnaul,

 

Country : India

 

Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76 6 E

 

 

 

 

 

Birth Chart (Lagna)

regards,

Lalit

[Guest guest]

Resp Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Krishnan Ji,I tried to see beyond the yogas, tried to understand the personality built, in the first guy's chart, concerntration of so many planets in 9'th, makes him a guy sticking to basic ethics of life, which is true.

Jup, merc, venus, sun and sat are togather, Sun is 9'th lord placed in 9'th only, Guru is lagna lord placed in 9'th, Both mars and jup is aspecting lagna, In the 5'th house moon is placed which makes him imaginative for the idealism that Guru's aspect gives. In this configuration, Rahu also bestows auspeciousnes, Pls. recall, Tilak's horoscope.

In the navamsa also, Lagna lord moon is conjunct jup in 10'th house. Some Background : He is following his father's wishes and doing an arranged marriage. he had never been involved in any affair, for a guy like him, who is successful in career and has sharp features, getting girl's attention is just nothing but he maintained his integrity, he is a SAP consultant with TCS, Jamshedpur.

He is doing everything that he can do for his father, Pls. try to look at the chart in a different angle, his father is suffering from a disease, in which, a portion of the organs like fingers .. etc, starts getting rotten becuse of some unknown infection, 3 of his fingers had to be cut down so far, It's an example where we should start thinking to take 10'th house as prime indicator of father and 9'th house as disease and expenditure on account of father or loss of father's asset, similar to 12'th house indications to lagna. His father was a class 1 officer with State Govt of Chhatisgarh but made rise from a humble background.He has amazing diplomatic skills, he can think beyond the obvious, so, I think, he can be shaped further, definitely, in every chart, there are minus points, but life is an act of balancing and moving ahead, you can find lots of minus charts in my chart too.

Now, 2nd Horoscope :

He is business minded, comfort seeking guy, pls. note Venus from 6'th aspecting 12'th house, taken to wine and dine with friends, but, there is a catch, 7'th and 10'th lord Jup is exalted in 2nd house which in turn aspect 10'th house, Venus is also aspected by same Jup, Lagna is aspected by lagna lord Merc who is 4'th lord also, So, he has a clean heart and mind, he is also fiery as both Mars and Sun are also aspecting the Lagna but Rahu + Sun placed in Leo decreases Sun's dignity,he comes of a rich background and well connected in his community, Transiting Saturn on native Saturn is runing, this year is going to be a crucial year for him, the kemdruma yoga is slightly making his unstable, but, I think that's rectified also, i will have to look into classics.As per, Sri K.N Rao's proven research to know if somebody is born with mission, this horoscope, fits 80% of the ideal conditions. In a transformation process, you need all, the leaders, the supporter, the financer, the thinker everybody is required, they have to struggle, so, struggle is obvious in the chart.

regards,Lalit.

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > In the first chart, I see pravrajya yoga occurring in the 9th bhava which could indicate either giving up father or duties. He does have some raj yogas but they are diluted by Rahu being conjunct the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the Lagna would give the temper, but could you tell what yoga you could locate that would indicate that indicates he is the right material for building India. Of course personally I think that every citizen of this country could help build the country if only he does his own duties properly without expecting the Government to do them for him.> > In the second case too, the 5th and 9th bhavas seem to suffer to some extent and I for one am not very certain if this is nation building material.> But I could be totally wrong having missed something that you could see. So please elaborate.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > As to the second chart, > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Monday, September 22, 2008 10:13 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Other Elders,> > Presenting two potential horoscopes, to which I think to become contributor for building tomorrow's India, suddenly, I started coming in contact with good guys who can be shaped, they are not born in royal families but they have courage and will to fight for the true cause.> > Case 1: > He is exceptionally brilliant, very sharp and fiery, an engineer and like my younger brogther, right now he has no spiritual inclinitation but i expect a lot from this guy. Well, as per the indication in the chart and as per his query and desire, I asked him to find a bride of young age and that before Nov 2008, keeping Guru's transit in mind, It was true, I see, a transformation in his post marriage life, what u elders see - > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > Caser 2. > This is the horoscope, you can verify if Exalted and Retrograde Planets Behave like Debilitated Planets. Have not met this guy yet, but, as the chart indicates, he is very handsom , very convincing guy and have shown courage to speak for the truth, I expect, he will be a contributor for the society -> > He suffered great loss in Sun/Saturn/Saturn/Saturn In june, 2006, had to close the shop. The vimshottari Period goes like this> > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006 - Dissipation' of wealth, serious sickness, disintegration of the family, compulsation of taking food separately, deep distress etc" > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06 January 1979 05:28:00 > Place of Birth : Narnaul, > Country : India > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76 6 E > > > Birth Chart (Lagna) > > > > regards,> > Lalit>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

I do not see 5 planets in 9th in Tilak's chart. But then only time will tell if the persons are good material for nation building. I see no reason to look at 10th as the bhava for father, contrary to what sages have said.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Tuesday, September 23, 2008 1:23 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

 

 

 

Resp Sri Chandrashekhar and Sri Krishnan Ji,I tried to see beyond the yogas, tried to understand the personality built, in the first guy's chart, concerntration of so many planets in 9'th, makes him a guy sticking to basic ethics of life, which is true.

Jup, merc, venus, sun and sat are togather, Sun is 9'th lord placed in 9'th only, Guru is lagna lord placed in 9'th, Both mars and jup is aspecting lagna, In the 5'th house moon is placed which makes him imaginative for the idealism that Guru's aspect gives. In this configuration, Rahu also bestows auspeciousnes, Pls. recall, Tilak's horoscope.

In the navamsa also, Lagna lord moon is conjunct jup in 10'th house. Some Background : He is following his father's wishes and doing an arranged marriage. he had never been involved in any affair, for a guy like him, who is successful in career and has sharp features, getting girl's attention is just nothing but he maintained his integrity, he is a SAP consultant with TCS, Jamshedpur.

He is doing everything that he can do for his father, Pls. try to look at the chart in a different angle, his father is suffering from a disease, in which, a portion of the organs like fingers .. etc, starts getting rotten becuse of some unknown infection, 3 of his fingers had to be cut down so far, It's an example where we should start thinking to take 10'th house as prime indicator of father and 9'th house as disease and expenditure on account of father or loss of father's asset, similar to 12'th house indications to lagna. His father was a class 1 officer with State Govt of Chhatisgarh but made rise from a humble background.He has amazing diplomatic skills, he can think beyond the obvious, so, I think, he can be shaped further, definitely, in every chart, there are minus points, but life is an act of balancing and moving ahead, you can find lots of minus charts in my chart too.

Now, 2nd Horoscope :

He is business minded, comfort seeking guy, pls. note Venus from 6'th aspecting 12'th house, taken to wine and dine with friends, but, there is a catch, 7'th and 10'th lord Jup is exalted in 2nd house which in turn aspect 10'th house, Venus is also aspected by same Jup, Lagna is aspected by lagna lord Merc who is 4'th lord also, So, he has a clean heart and mind, he is also fiery as both Mars and Sun are also aspecting the Lagna but Rahu + Sun placed in Leo decreases Sun's dignity,he comes of a rich background and well connected in his community, Transiting Saturn on native Saturn is runing, this year is going to be a crucial year for him, the kemdruma yoga is slightly making his unstable, but, I think that's rectified also, i will have to look into classics.As per, Sri K.N Rao's proven research to know if somebody is born with mission, this horoscope, fits 80% of the ideal conditions. In a transformation process, you need all, the leaders, the supporter, the financer, the thinker everybody is required, they have to struggle, so, struggle is obvious in the chart.

regards,Lalit.

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > In the first chart, I see pravrajya yoga occurring in the 9th bhava which could indicate either giving up father or duties. He does have some raj yogas but they are diluted by Rahu being conjunct the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the Lagna would give the temper, but could you tell what yoga you could locate that would indicate that indicates he is the right material for building India. Of course personally I think that every citizen of this country could help build the country if only he does his own duties properly without expecting the Government to do them for him.> > In the second case too, the 5th and 9th bhavas seem to suffer to some extent and I for one am not very certain if this is nation building material.> But I could be totally wrong having missed something that you could see. So please elaborate.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > As to the second chart, > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Monday, September 22, 2008 10:13 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Other Elders,> > Presenting two potential horoscopes, to which I think to become contributor for building tomorrow's India, suddenly, I started coming in contact with good guys who can be shaped, they are not born in royal families but they have courage and will to fight for the true cause.> > Case 1: > He is exceptionally brilliant, very sharp and fiery, an engineer and like my younger brogther, right now he has no spiritual inclinitation but i expect a lot from this guy. Well, as per the indication in the chart and as per his query and desire, I asked him to find a bride of young age and that before Nov 2008, keeping Guru's transit in mind, It was true, I see, a transformation in his post marriage life, what u elders see - > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > Caser 2. > This is the horoscope, you can verify if Exalted and Retrograde Planets Behave like Debilitated Planets. Have not met this guy yet, but, as the chart indicates, he is very handsom , very convincing guy and have shown courage to speak for the truth, I expect, he will be a contributor for the society -> > He suffered great loss in Sun/Saturn/Saturn/Saturn In june, 2006, had to close the shop. The vimshottari Period goes like this> > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006 - Dissipation' of wealth, serious sickness, disintegration of the family, compulsation of taking food separately, deep distress etc" > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06 January 1979 05:28:00 > Place of Birth : Narnaul, > Country : India > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76 6 E > > > Birth Chart (Lagna) > > > > regards,> > Lalit>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and 10t'h lord is in 5'th, there is

a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know -

 

1. considering 10'th as father's house, what kind of father it

indicates, his position and status in society and relationship with

father.

 

2. considering 9'th as father's house, what kind of father it indicates,

his position and status in society and relationship with father, If I m

right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house, though, an afflicted and very

weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in company of - Sat, Rahu

and mars.

 

3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in this case ?

 

Your answers will clear the confusion forever, sometimes, in lack of

fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but luckily we have a

fitting horosope to show the distinction.

 

regards,

Lalit

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake him in his hour of need?

The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru, Rahu, Saturn are yet to

commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th debate?

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth

Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

>

>

> Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

>

> Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so nice, this is one

> thing i have to learn from u, living in ur's company.

>

> regarding the distinction of 10'th and 9'th bhavas with respect to

> father and pravajya, i have another horoscope that u analyzed some 4

> months back.

>

> Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M

> Place - Rewa (M.P)

>

> she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna is scorpio, but she

> remained very adament on her job front, broken her marriage but not

> left her job.

>

> Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for bhoga, so, keeps a native

> inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions given to it.

>

> A study this horoscope will settle the confusion over both nature of

> Pravajya and Father's house forever.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga

> when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with sacrifice for

> father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga in her chart and she did

> not sacrifice anything for her father's sake. Actually she was left

> at an orphanage and her parents married after her birth. Plus her

> 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other planets to give any

> different interpretation to the results. In the case of the jataka

> there are other grahas with those planets and also the node and that

> does not allow the results of Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> through.

> >

> > So I can not agree with your proposition to look at the 10th as

> the bhava for father. However if you are able to predict right with

> that premise, you could use it as such.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes

> Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> >

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > May i request to look at it this way - 10'th lord and 9'th lord

> are

> > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house of duties, sacrifies,

> kindness

> > and charity, therefore for his duties towards father(10'th

> lord, )he

> > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> 10'th, we

> > get straightforward explanation.

> >

> > Any way one thing is noticed that for his duties he can leave

> > anything like MBA, this gives him very basic elligibility for

> being a

> > nation building material, Pls. note that lagna and 4'th lord of

> > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed in 9'th and which in

> turn

> > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is 3'rd lord of

> initiatives

> > and courage also placed in 9'th and conjunct 4'th lord of heart

> and

> > mother nation with 10'th lord of karma, this 3'rd house is also

> > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!

> >

> > So, if given proper inputs, proper direction, he should do every

> > possible thing for his matribhumi coz, lagna and 4'th lord is

> one and

> > same and it aspects lagna too.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > > You have correctly brought out both issues of attending to

> father

> > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th to 5th.

> > > Under the circumstances,the native will be taking care of his

> > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to consider to attend to

> his

> > father as more important leading to sacrifice of his own

> future.In

> > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord Sriram going to forest

> > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is likely that during the

> antar

> > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to take to the recourse.

> > > vrkishnan

> > > with regards

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:24 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > There is no problem in exploring the possibilities. However

> one

> > should remember that we are trying to prove some sage wrong

> > forgetting that we are using most of the principles given by the

> same

> > sage, not having devised a new system by ourselves.

> > >

> > > I would think doing both MBA and attending to father would be

> more

> > like observing the 9th bhava indications. 9th bhava after all

> does

> > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so he did give up the

> > indications of the 9th bhava and the Pravrajya did produce the

> > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will tell when he may take

> > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course my comments are only

> > academic in nature as I do not know anything about the person.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:31 AM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two Potential

> Horoscopes

> > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > >

> > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing his MBA that he left

> halfway

> > > because he was required at home during father's ailment.

> > >

> > > purpose of my writing so many things in groups is to open new

> > avenues

> > > to review some dogmas that we developed in last few centuries

> and

> > > some in last 2 decades.

> > >

> > > Sometimes, we need to go back to clssics and some other time

> we

> > need

> > > to enhabce and refine what is stated there in.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@

> s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > >

> > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga in 9th allow him to be

> steady in

> > > his duties?

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential

> Horoscopes

> > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > In case of first chart moon in Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5 more planets.The sign

> raising

> > in

> > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign fiery in nature.All these

> three

> > > lagnas have influnce of ketu,indicating struggles ahead of his

> life.

> > > > issue of marriage if seen from the link of 5th and 7th

> > > houses,the boy seems to have made up his mind about the

> girl.The

> > > marriage relation has all trials and tribulations in the first

> > > case.with this back ground probably his preparedness to assume

> > nation

> > > building character is very distant.

> > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9 houses of airy signs,again

> > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns aspect.Moon in 11th has

> no

> > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in 6th.

> > > > These indications in both the cases only suggests that the

> > > native of chart may prepare for struggles to fulfil his

> > ideals.where

> > > as 2nd charts shall get some recognition and status in life

> like

> > any

> > > other above average person

> > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart have to support for the

> > > rise and fall for any native in life.

> > > > vrkrishnan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential

> > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > Monday, September 22, 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > In the first chart, I see pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > 9th bhava which could indicate either giving up father or

> duties.

> > He

> > > does have some raj yogas but they are diluted by Rahu being

> > conjunct

> > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the Lagna would give the temper,

> but

> > > could you tell what yoga you could locate that would indicate

> that

> > > indicates he is the right material for building India. Of

> course

> > > personally I think that every citizen of this country could

> help

> > > build the country if only he does his own duties properly

> without

> > > expecting the Government to do them for him.

> > > >

> > > > In the second case too, the 5th and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > suffer to some extent and I for one am not very certain if

> this is

> > > nation building material.

> > > > But I could be totally wrong having missed something that

> > > you could see. So please elaborate.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As to the second chart,

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > Monday, September 22, 2008 10:13 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential

> > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Other Elders,

> > > > Presenting two potential horoscopes, to which I think

> > > to become contributor for building tomorrow's India, suddenly,

> I

> > > started coming in contact with good guys who can be shaped,

> they

> > are

> > > not born in royal families but they have courage and will to

> fight

> > > for the true cause.

> > > > Case 1:

> > > > He is exceptionally brilliant, very sharp and fiery, an

> > > engineer and like my younger brogther, right now he has no

> > spiritual

> > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from this guy. Well, as per

> the

> > > indication in the chart and as per his query and desire, I

> asked

> > him

> > > to find a bride of young age and that before Nov 2008, keeping

> > Guru's

> > > transit in mind, It was true, I see, a transformation in his

> post

> > > marriage life, what u elders see -

> > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > >

> > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > >

> > > > Caser 2.

> > > > This is the horoscope, you can verify if Exalted and

> > > Retrograde Planets Behave like Debilitated Planets. Have not

> met

> > > this guy yet, but, as the chart indicates, he is very

> handsom ,

> > very

> > > convincing guy and have shown courage to speak for the truth,

> I

> > > expect, he will be a contributor for the society -

> > > > He suffered great loss in Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > june, 2006, had to close the shop. The vimshottari Period goes

> like

> > > this

> > > >

> > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006 - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > serious sickness, disintegration of the family, compulsation

> of

> > > taking food separately, deep distress etc "

> > > >

> > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06 January 1979

> > > 05:28:00

> > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,

> > > > Country : India

> > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76 6 E

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > >

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

You have not yet replied to my question about pravrajya related to 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?

 

Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will give results as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired knowledge or the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a chart without reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to wrong inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.

 

You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only the 10th lord but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions about whether the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for father, here , may not be very logical.

 

The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's mother so it is mother who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied by Ketu conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though Jupiter also aspects the 4th.

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

 

 

Dear Sir,In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and 10t'h lord is in 5'th, there isa exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know -1. considering 10'th as father's house, what kind of father itindicates, his position and status in society and relationship withfather.2. considering 9'th as father's house, what kind of father it indicates,his position and status in society and relationship with father, If I mright, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house, though, an afflicted and veryweak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in company of - Sat, Rahuand mars.3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in this case ?Your answers will clear the confusion forever, sometimes, in lack offitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but luckily we have afitting horosope to show the distinction.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,>> Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake him in his hour of need?The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru, Rahu, Saturn are yet tocommence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th debate?>> Take care,> Chandrashekhar.>>> -> litsol> Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes WorthStudy + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection>>> Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,>> Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so nice, this is one> thing i have to learn from u, living in ur's company.>> regarding the distinction of 10'th and 9'th bhavas with respect to> father and pravajya, i have another horoscope that u analyzed some 4> months back.>> Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> Place - Rewa (M.P)>> she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna is scorpio, but she> remained very adament on her job front, broken her marriage but not> left her job.>> Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for bhoga, so, keeps a native> inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions given to it.>> A study this horoscope will settle the confusion over both nature of> Pravajya and Father's house forever.>> regards,> Lalit.>> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga> when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with sacrifice for> father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga in her chart and she did> not sacrifice anything for her father's sake. Actually she was left> at an orphanage and her parents married after her birth. Plus her> 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other planets to give any> different interpretation to the results. In the case of the jataka> there are other grahas with those planets and also the node and that> does not allow the results of Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> through.> >> > So I can not agree with your proposition to look at the 10th as> the bhava for father. However if you are able to predict right with> that premise, you could use it as such.> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> >> > -> > litsol> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes> Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> >> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > May i request to look at it this way - 10'th lord and 9'th lord> are> > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house of duties, sacrifies,> kindness> > and charity, therefore for his duties towards father(10'th> lord, )he> > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th (leaving, escaping etc.)to> 10'th, we> > get straightforward explanation.> >> > Any way one thing is noticed that for his duties he can leave> > anything like MBA, this gives him very basic elligibility for> being a> > nation building material, Pls. note that lagna and 4'th lord of> > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed in 9'th and which in> turn> > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is 3'rd lord of> initiatives> > and courage also placed in 9'th and conjunct 4'th lord of heart> and> > mother nation with 10'th lord of karma, this 3'rd house is also> > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> >> > So, if given proper inputs, proper direction, he should do every> > possible thing for his matribhumi coz, lagna and 4'th lord is> one and> > same and it aspects lagna too.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem krishnan> > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > >> > > Sir,> > > You have correctly brought out both issues of attending to> father> > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th to 5th.> > > Under the circumstances,the native will be taking care of his> > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to consider to attend to> his> > father as more important leading to sacrifice of his own> future.In> > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord Sriram going to forest> > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is likely that during the> antar> > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to take to the recourse.> > > vrkishnan> > > with regards> > >> > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:24 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > There is no problem in exploring the possibilities. However> one> > should remember that we are trying to prove some sage wrong> > forgetting that we are using most of the principles given by the> same> > sage, not having devised a new system by ourselves.> > >> > > I would think doing both MBA and attending to father would be> more> > like observing the 9th bhava indications. 9th bhava after all> does> > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so he did give up the> > indications of the 9th bhava and the Pravrajya did produce the> > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will tell when he may take> > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course my comments are only> > academic in nature as I do not know anything about the person.> > >> > > Take care,> > >> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > >> > >> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:31 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two Potential> Horoscopes> > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > >> > >> > >> > > Sir,> > >> > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing his MBA that he left> halfway> > > because he was required at home during father's ailment.> > >> > > purpose of my writing so many things in groups is to open new> > avenues> > > to review some dogmas that we developed in last few centuries> and> > > some in last 2 decades.> > >> > > Sometimes, we need to go back to clssics and some other time> we> > need> > > to enhabce and refine what is stated there in.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@> s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > >> > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga in 9th allow him to be> steady in> > > his duties?> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > -> > > > vattem krishnan> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:28 AM> > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential> Horoscopes> > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > > In case of first chart moon in Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5 more planets.The sign> raising> > in> > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign fiery in nature.All these> three> > > lagnas have influnce of ketu,indicating struggles ahead of his> life.> > > > issue of marriage if seen from the link of 5th and 7th> > > houses,the boy seems to have made up his mind about the> girl.The> > > marriage relation has all trials and tribulations in the first> > > case.with this back ground probably his preparedness to assume> > nation> > > building character is very distant.> > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9 houses of airy signs,again> > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns aspect.Moon in 11th has> no> > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in 6th.> > > > These indications in both the cases only suggests that the> > > native of chart may prepare for struggles to fulfil his> > ideals.where> > > as 2nd charts shall get some recognition and status in life> like> > any> > > other above average person> > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart have to support for the> > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > vrkrishnan> > > >> > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Chandrashekhar> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential> > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Monday, September 22, 2008, 3:48 PM> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > In the first chart, I see pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > 9th bhava which could indicate either giving up father or> duties.> > He> > > does have some raj yogas but they are diluted by Rahu being> > conjunct> > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the Lagna would give the temper,> but> > > could you tell what yoga you could locate that would indicate> that> > > indicates he is the right material for building India. Of> course> > > personally I think that every citizen of this country could> help> > > build the country if only he does his own duties properly> without> > > expecting the Government to do them for him.> > > >> > > > In the second case too, the 5th and 9th bhavas seem to> > > suffer to some extent and I for one am not very certain if> this is> > > nation building material.> > > > But I could be totally wrong having missed something that> > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > As to the second chart,> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Monday, September 22, 2008 10:13 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential> > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > >> > > >> > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Other Elders,> > > > Presenting two potential horoscopes, to which I think> > > to become contributor for building tomorrow's India, suddenly,> I> > > started coming in contact with good guys who can be shaped,> they> > are> > > not born in royal families but they have courage and will to> fight> > > for the true cause.> > > > Case 1:> > > > He is exceptionally brilliant, very sharp and fiery, an> > > engineer and like my younger brogther, right now he has no> > spiritual> > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from this guy. Well, as per> the> > > indication in the chart and as per his query and desire, I> asked> > him> > > to find a bride of young age and that before Nov 2008, keeping> > Guru's> > > transit in mind, It was true, I see, a transformation in his> post> > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > >> > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > >> > > > Caser 2.> > > > This is the horoscope, you can verify if Exalted and> > > Retrograde Planets Behave like Debilitated Planets. Have not> met> > > this guy yet, but, as the chart indicates, he is very> handsom ,> > very> > > convincing guy and have shown courage to speak for the truth,> I> > > expect, he will be a contributor for the society -> > > > He suffered great loss in Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > june, 2006, had to close the shop. The vimshottari Period goes> like> > > this> > > >> > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006 - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > serious sickness, disintegration of the family, compulsation> of> > > taking food separately, deep distress etc"> > > >> > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06 January 1979> > > 05:28:00> > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > Country : India> > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76 6 E> > > >> > > >> > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regards,> > > >> > > > Lalit> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She has not

given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her life revolves

around her father and she follows her dad even in her personal life.

 

She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it always.

 

regards,

Lalit

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> You have not yet replied to my question about pravrajya related to

10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?

>

> Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will give results

as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired knowledge or

the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a chart without

reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to wrong

inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.

>

> You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only the 10th lord

but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions about whether

the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for father, here ,

may not be very logical.

>

> The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's mother so it is mother

who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied by Ketu

conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though Jupiter also

aspects the 4th.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes

Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

>

>

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

there is

> a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know -

>

> 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what kind of father it

> indicates, his position and status in society and relationship

with

> father.

>

> 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what kind of father it

indicates,

> his position and status in society and relationship with father,

If I m

> right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house, though, an afflicted and

very

> weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in company of - Sat,

Rahu

> and mars.

>

> 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in this case ?

>

> Your answers will clear the confusion forever, sometimes, in lack

of

> fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but luckily we have

a

> fitting horosope to show the distinction.

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake him in his hour

of need?

> The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru, Rahu, Saturn are

yet to

> commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th debate?

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

Horoscopes Worth

> Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> >

> >

> > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> >

> > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so nice, this is one

> > thing i have to learn from u, living in ur's company.

> >

> > regarding the distinction of 10'th and 9'th bhavas with respect

to

> > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope that u analyzed

some 4

> > months back.

> >

> > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M

> > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> >

> > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna is scorpio, but she

> > remained very adament on her job front, broken her marriage but

not

> > left her job.

> >

> > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for bhoga, so, keeps a

native

> > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions given to it.

> >

> > A study this horoscope will settle the confusion over both

nature of

> > Pravajya and Father's house forever.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives Dharmakarmaadhipati

yoga

> > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with sacrifice for

> > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga in her chart and

she did

> > not sacrifice anything for her father's sake. Actually she was

left

> > at an orphanage and her parents married after her birth. Plus

her

> > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other planets to give

any

> > different interpretation to the results. In the case of the

jataka

> > there are other grahas with those planets and also the node and

that

> > does not allow the results of Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> > through.

> > >

> > > So I can not agree with your proposition to look at the 10th

as

> > the bhava for father. However if you are able to predict right

with

> > that premise, you could use it as such.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

Horoscopes

> > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > May i request to look at it this way - 10'th lord and 9'th

lord

> > are

> > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house of duties, sacrifies,

> > kindness

> > > and charity, therefore for his duties towards father(10'th

> > lord, )he

> > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > 10'th, we

> > > get straightforward explanation.

> > >

> > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his duties he can leave

> > > anything like MBA, this gives him very basic elligibility for

> > being a

> > > nation building material, Pls. note that lagna and 4'th lord

of

> > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed in 9'th and which in

> > turn

> > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is 3'rd lord of

> > initiatives

> > > and courage also placed in 9'th and conjunct 4'th lord of

heart

> > and

> > > mother nation with 10'th lord of karma, this 3'rd house is

also

> > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!

> > >

> > > So, if given proper inputs, proper direction, he should do

every

> > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz, lagna and 4'th lord is

> > one and

> > > same and it aspects lagna too.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem

krishnan

> > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > > You have correctly brought out both issues of attending to

> > father

> > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th to 5th.

> > > > Under the circumstances,the native will be taking care of

his

> > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to consider to attend

to

> > his

> > > father as more important leading to sacrifice of his own

> > future.In

> > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord Sriram going to

forest

> > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is likely that during the

> > antar

> > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to take to the

recourse.

> > > > vrkishnan

> > > > with regards

> > > >

> > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:24 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > There is no problem in exploring the possibilities. However

> > one

> > > should remember that we are trying to prove some sage wrong

> > > forgetting that we are using most of the principles given by

the

> > same

> > > sage, not having devised a new system by ourselves.

> > > >

> > > > I would think doing both MBA and attending to father would

be

> > more

> > > like observing the 9th bhava indications. 9th bhava after all

> > does

> > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so he did give up the

> > > indications of the 9th bhava and the Pravrajya did produce the

> > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will tell when he may take

> > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course my comments are only

> > > academic in nature as I do not know anything about the person.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:31 AM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two Potential

> > Horoscopes

> > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > >

> > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing his MBA that he left

> > halfway

> > > > because he was required at home during father's ailment.

> > > >

> > > > purpose of my writing so many things in groups is to open

new

> > > avenues

> > > > to review some dogmas that we developed in last few

centuries

> > and

> > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > >

> > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to clssics and some other time

> > we

> > > need

> > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated there in.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@

> > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga in 9th allow him to be

> > steady in

> > > > his duties?

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > -

> > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential

> > Horoscopes

> > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > In case of first chart moon in Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5 more planets.The sign

> > raising

> > > in

> > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign fiery in nature.All these

> > three

> > > > lagnas have influnce of ketu,indicating struggles ahead of

his

> > life.

> > > > > issue of marriage if seen from the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up his mind about the

> > girl.The

> > > > marriage relation has all trials and tribulations in the

first

> > > > case.with this back ground probably his preparedness to

assume

> > > nation

> > > > building character is very distant.

> > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9 houses of airy signs,again

> > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns aspect.Moon in 11th

has

> > no

> > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in 6th.

> > > > > These indications in both the cases only suggests that the

> > > > native of chart may prepare for struggles to fulfil his

> > > ideals.where

> > > > as 2nd charts shall get some recognition and status in life

> > like

> > > any

> > > > other above average person

> > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart have to support for the

> > > > rise and fall for any native in life.

> > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential

> > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > In the first chart, I see pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either giving up father or

> > duties.

> > > He

> > > > does have some raj yogas but they are diluted by Rahu being

> > > conjunct

> > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the Lagna would give the

temper,

> > but

> > > > could you tell what yoga you could locate that would

indicate

> > that

> > > > indicates he is the right material for building India. Of

> > course

> > > > personally I think that every citizen of this country could

> > help

> > > > build the country if only he does his own duties properly

> > without

> > > > expecting the Government to do them for him.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the second case too, the 5th and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > suffer to some extent and I for one am not very certain if

> > this is

> > > > nation building material.

> > > > > But I could be totally wrong having missed something that

> > > > you could see. So please elaborate.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > As to the second chart,

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008 10:13 PM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential

> > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Other Elders,

> > > > > Presenting two potential horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > to become contributor for building tomorrow's India,

suddenly,

> > I

> > > > started coming in contact with good guys who can be shaped,

> > they

> > > are

> > > > not born in royal families but they have courage and will to

> > fight

> > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant, very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > engineer and like my younger brogther, right now he has no

> > > spiritual

> > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from this guy. Well, as per

> > the

> > > > indication in the chart and as per his query and desire, I

> > asked

> > > him

> > > > to find a bride of young age and that before Nov 2008,

keeping

> > > Guru's

> > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see, a transformation in his

> > post

> > > > marriage life, what u elders see -

> > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > >

> > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > >

> > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > This is the horoscope, you can verify if Exalted and

> > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > met

> > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart indicates, he is very

> > handsom ,

> > > very

> > > > convincing guy and have shown courage to speak for the

truth,

> > I

> > > > expect, he will be a contributor for the society -

> > > > > He suffered great loss in Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop. The vimshottari Period

goes

> > like

> > > > this

> > > > >

> > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006 - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > serious sickness, disintegration of the family, compulsation

> > of

> > > > taking food separately, deep distress etc "

> > > > >

> > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06 January 1979

> > > > 05:28:00

> > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,

> > > > > Country : India

> > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76 6 E

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,

 

I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a house. So how does

this girl native have that yoga, as she has only 4 planets in 10th.

 

I have been following this thread with much interest, as the girl here has a

horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my naive understanding.

 

lagna is vrishchika with moon.

4th house kumbha with ketu

6 th house aries with sun and mercury

8 th house gemini with venus

10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra

 

Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent father in my case is

in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house. Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is

aspected by Rahu + Ju. My ninth house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.

 

I am not very close with my father, and did not have the best of relationship

with him. In the past eight years if I have to literally calculate, I have only

spent about 40-45 days living with him and must have spoken on phone not more

then 10-11 hrs of time cumulative.

 

Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away from home since the

age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly speak with my mother, with

father it doesnt go beyond a minute.

 

But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did argue with him a

lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says I interpret it in a wrong

way, or end up not liking it.

 

Regards,

Neenu

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol <litsol wrote:

 

> litsol <litsol

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study +

365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM

> Dear Sir,

>

> The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She

> has not

> given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her

> life revolves

> around her father and she follows her dad even in her

> personal life.

>

> She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it

> always.

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

>

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > You have not yet replied to my question about

> pravrajya related to

> 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?

> >

> > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will

> give results

> as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired

> knowledge or

> the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a

> chart without

> reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to

> wrong

> inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.

> >

> > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only

> the 10th lord

> but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions

> about whether

> the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for

> father, here ,

> may not be very logical.

> >

> > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's

> mother so it is mother

> who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied

> by Ketu

> conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though

> Jupiter also

> aspects the 4th.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> Potential Horoscopes

> Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and

> 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

> there is

> > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know

> -

> >

> > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what

> kind of father it

> > indicates, his position and status in society and

> relationship

> with

> > father.

> >

> > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what

> kind of father it

> indicates,

> > his position and status in society and relationship

> with father,

> If I m

> > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,

> though, an afflicted and

> very

> > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in

> company of - Sat,

> Rahu

> > and mars.

> >

> > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in

> this case ?

> >

> > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,

> sometimes, in lack

> of

> > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but

> luckily we have

> a

> > fitting horosope to show the distinction.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake

> him in his hour

> of need?

> > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,

> Rahu, Saturn are

> yet to

> > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th

> debate?

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> Potential

> Horoscopes Worth

> > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > >

> > >

> > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > >

> > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so

> nice, this is one

> > > thing i have to learn from u, living in

> ur's company.

> > >

> > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and

> 9'th bhavas with respect

> to

> > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope

> that u analyzed

> some 4

> > > months back.

> > >

> > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M

> > > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> > >

> > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna

> is scorpio, but she

> > > remained very adament on her job front, broken

> her marriage but

> not

> > > left her job.

> > >

> > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for

> bhoga, so, keeps a

> native

> > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions

> given to it.

> > >

> > > A study this horoscope will settle the

> confusion over both

> nature of

> > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives

> Dharmakarmaadhipati

> yoga

> > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with

> sacrifice for

> > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga

> in her chart and

> she did

> > > not sacrifice anything for her father's

> sake. Actually she was

> left

> > > at an orphanage and her parents married after

> her birth. Plus

> her

> > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other

> planets to give

> any

> > > different interpretation to the results. In the

> case of the

> jataka

> > > there are other grahas with those planets and

> also the node and

> that

> > > does not allow the results of

> Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> > > through.

> > > >

> > > > So I can not agree with your proposition

> to look at the 10th

> as

> > > the bhava for father. However if you are able

> to predict right

> with

> > > that premise, you could use it as such.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > To:

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> Two Potential

> Horoscopes

> > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> Perfection

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > May i request to look at it this way -

> 10'th lord and 9'th

> lord

> > > are

> > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house

> of duties, sacrifies,

> > > kindness

> > > > and charity, therefore for his duties

> towards father(10'th

> > > lord, )he

> > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th

> (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > > 10'th, we

> > > > get straightforward explanation.

> > > >

> > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his

> duties he can leave

> > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very

> basic elligibility for

> > > being a

> > > > nation building material, Pls. note that

> lagna and 4'th lord

> of

> > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed

> in 9'th and which in

> > > turn

> > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is

> 3'rd lord of

> > > initiatives

> > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and

> conjunct 4'th lord of

> heart

> > > and

> > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of

> karma, this 3'rd house is

> also

> > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!

> > > >

> > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper

> direction, he should do

> every

> > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,

> lagna and 4'th lord is

> > > one and

> > > > same and it aspects lagna too.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem

> krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > > You have correctly brought out both

> issues of attending to

> > > father

> > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th

> to 5th.

> > > > > Under the circumstances,the native

> will be taking care of

> his

> > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to

> consider to attend

> to

> > > his

> > > > father as more important leading to

> sacrifice of his own

> > > future.In

> > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord

> Sriram going to

> forest

> > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is

> likely that during the

> > > antar

> > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to

> take to the

> recourse.

> > > > > vrkishnan

> > > > > with regards

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > Re:

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's

> Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > To:

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,

> 2:24 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no problem in exploring the

> possibilities. However

> > > one

> > > > should remember that we are trying to

> prove some sage wrong

> > > > forgetting that we are using most of the

> principles given by

> the

> > > same

> > > > sage, not having devised a new system by

> ourselves.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would think doing both MBA and

> attending to father would

> be

> > > more

> > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.

> 9th bhava after all

> > > does

> > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so

> he did give up the

> > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the

> Pravrajya did produce the

> > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will

> tell when he may take

> > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course

> my comments are only

> > > > academic in nature as I do not know

> anything about the person.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > >

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> aling@ s.com

> > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008

> 9:31 AM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]

> Re: Two Potential

> > > Horoscopes

> > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> Perfection

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing

> his MBA that he left

> > > halfway

> > > > > because he was required at home

> during father's ailment.

> > > > >

> > > > > purpose of my writing so many things

> in groups is to open

> new

> > > > avenues

> > > > > to review some dogmas that we

> developed in last few

> centuries

> > > and

> > > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to

> clssics and some other time

> > > we

> > > > need

> > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated

> there in.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> aling@

> > > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga

> in 9th allow him to be

> > > steady in

> > > > > his duties?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> aling@ s.com

> > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,

> 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> ealing] Two Potential

> > > Horoscopes

> > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > In case of first chart moon in

> Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5

> more planets.The sign

> > > raising

> > > > in

> > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign

> fiery in nature.All these

> > > three

> > > > > lagnas have influnce of

> ketu,indicating struggles ahead of

> his

> > > life.

> > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from

> the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up

> his mind about the

> > > girl.The

> > > > > marriage relation has all trials and

> tribulations in the

> first

> > > > > case.with this back ground probably

> his preparedness to

> assume

> > > > nation

> > > > > building character is very distant.

> > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9

> houses of airy signs,again

> > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns

> aspect.Moon in 11th

> has

> > > no

> > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in

> 6th.

> > > > > > These indications in both the

> cases only suggests that the

> > > > > native of chart may prepare for

> struggles to fulfil his

> > > > ideals.where

> > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some

> recognition and status in life

> > > like

> > > > any

> > > > > other above average person

> > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart

> have to support for the

> > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.

> > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,

> Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> aling@ s.com

> > > > > > Monday, September 22,

> 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the first chart, I see

> pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either

> giving up father or

> > > duties.

> > > > He

> > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are

> diluted by Rahu being

> > > > conjunct

> > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the

> Lagna would give the

> temper,

> > > but

> > > > > could you tell what yoga you could

> locate that would

> indicate

> > > that

> > > > > indicates he is the right material

> for building India. Of

> > > course

> > > > > personally I think that every citizen

> of this country could

> > > help

> > > > > build the country if only he does his

> own duties properly

> > > without

> > > > > expecting the Government to do them

> for him.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th

> and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one

> am not very certain if

> > > this is

> > > > > nation building material.

> > > > > > But I could be totally wrong

> having missed something that

> > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As to the second chart,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> aling@ s.com

> > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008

> 10:13 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and

> Other Elders,

> > > > > > Presenting two potential

> horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > > to become contributor for building

> tomorrow's India,

> suddenly,

> > > I

> > > > > started coming in contact with good

> guys who can be shaped,

> > > they

> > > > are

> > > > > not born in royal families but they

> have courage and will to

> > > fight

> > > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,

> very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > > engineer and like my younger

> brogther, right now he has no

> > > > spiritual

> > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from

> this guy. Well, as per

> > > the

> > > > > indication in the chart and as per

> his query and desire, I

> > > asked

> > > > him

> > > > > to find a bride of young age and that

> before Nov 2008,

> keeping

> > > > Guru's

> > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,

> a transformation in his

> > > post

> > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -

> > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can

> verify if Exalted and

> > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like

> Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > > met

> > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart

> indicates, he is very

> > > handsom ,

> > > > very

> > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage

> to speak for the

> truth,

> > > I

> > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for

> the society -

> > > > > > He suffered great loss in

> Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.

> The vimshottari Period

> goes

> > > like

> > > > > this

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006

> - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of

> the family, compulsation

> > > of

> > > > > taking food separately, deep distress

> etc "

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> > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06

> January 1979

> > > > > 05:28:00

> > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,

> > > > > > Country : India

> > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76

> 6 E

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> > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

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> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalit

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Dear Lalit,

 

Then the 10th may not relate to father , would you not say so?

 

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

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litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 10:22 AM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

 

 

Dear Sir,The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She has not given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her life revolves around her father and she follows her dad even in her personal life.She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it always.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > You have not yet replied to my question about pravrajya related to 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will give results as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired knowledge or the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a chart without reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to wrong inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.> > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only the 10th lord but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions about whether the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for father, here , may not be very logical.> > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's mother so it is mother who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied by Ketu conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though Jupiter also aspects the 4th. > > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > Dear Sir,> > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and 10t'h lord is in 5'th, there is> a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know -> > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what kind of father it> indicates, his position and status in society and relationship with> father.> > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what kind of father it indicates,> his position and status in society and relationship with father, If I m> right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house, though, an afflicted and very> weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in company of - Sat, Rahu> and mars.> > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in this case ?> > Your answers will clear the confusion forever, sometimes, in lack of> fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but luckily we have a> fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > regards,> Lalit> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake him in his hour of need?> The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru, Rahu, Saturn are yet to> commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th debate?> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> >> > -> > litsol> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth> Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> >> >> > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> >> > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so nice, this is one> > thing i have to learn from u, living in ur's company.> >> > regarding the distinction of 10'th and 9'th bhavas with respect to> > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope that u analyzed some 4> > months back.> >> > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > Place - Rewa (M.P)> >> > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna is scorpio, but she> > remained very adament on her job front, broken her marriage but not> > left her job.> >> > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for bhoga, so, keeps a native> > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions given to it.> >> > A study this horoscope will settle the confusion over both nature of> > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga> > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with sacrifice for> > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga in her chart and she did> > not sacrifice anything for her father's sake. Actually she was left> > at an orphanage and her parents married after her birth. Plus her> > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other planets to give any> > different interpretation to the results. In the case of the jataka> > there are other grahas with those planets and also the node and that> > does not allow the results of Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > through.> > >> > > So I can not agree with your proposition to look at the 10th as> > the bhava for father. However if you are able to predict right with> > that premise, you could use it as such.> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > >> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes> > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > >> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > >> > > May i request to look at it this way - 10'th lord and 9'th lord> > are> > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house of duties, sacrifies,> > kindness> > > and charity, therefore for his duties towards father(10'th> > lord, )he> > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > 10'th, we> > > get straightforward explanation.> > >> > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his duties he can leave> > > anything like MBA, this gives him very basic elligibility for> > being a> > > nation building material, Pls. note that lagna and 4'th lord of> > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed in 9'th and which in> > turn> > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is 3'rd lord of> > initiatives> > > and courage also placed in 9'th and conjunct 4'th lord of heart> > and> > > mother nation with 10'th lord of karma, this 3'rd house is also> > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > >> > > So, if given proper inputs, proper direction, he should do every> > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz, lagna and 4'th lord is> > one and> > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem krishnan> > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Sir,> > > > You have correctly brought out both issues of attending to> > father> > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th to 5th.> > > > Under the circumstances,the native will be taking care of his> > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to consider to attend to> > his> > > father as more important leading to sacrifice of his own> > future.In> > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord Sriram going to forest> > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is likely that during the> > antar> > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to take to the recourse.> > > > vrkishnan> > > > with regards> > > >> > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 2:24 PM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > There is no problem in exploring the possibilities. However> > one> > > should remember that we are trying to prove some sage wrong> > > forgetting that we are using most of the principles given by the> > same> > > sage, not having devised a new system by ourselves.> > > >> > > > I would think doing both MBA and attending to father would be> > more> > > like observing the 9th bhava indications. 9th bhava after all> > does> > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so he did give up the> > > indications of the 9th bhava and the Pravrajya did produce the> > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will tell when he may take> > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course my comments are only> > > academic in nature as I do not know anything about the person.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:31 AM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two Potential> > Horoscopes> > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sir,> > > >> > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing his MBA that he left> > halfway> > > > because he was required at home during father's ailment.> > > >> > > > purpose of my writing so many things in groups is to open new> > > avenues> > > > to review some dogmas that we developed in last few centuries> > and> > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > >> > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to clssics and some other time> > we> > > need> > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated there in.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@> > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > >> > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga in 9th allow him to be> > steady in> > > > his duties?> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > -> > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential> > Horoscopes> > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > In case of first chart moon in Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5 more planets.The sign> > raising> > > in> > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign fiery in nature.All these> > three> > > > lagnas have influnce of ketu,indicating struggles ahead of his> > life.> > > > > issue of marriage if seen from the link of 5th and 7th> > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up his mind about the> > girl.The> > > > marriage relation has all trials and tribulations in the first> > > > case.with this back ground probably his preparedness to assume> > > nation> > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9 houses of airy signs,again> > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns aspect.Moon in 11th has> > no> > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in 6th.> > > > > These indications in both the cases only suggests that the> > > > native of chart may prepare for struggles to fulfil his> > > ideals.where> > > > as 2nd charts shall get some recognition and status in life> > like> > > any> > > > other above average person> > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart have to support for the> > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > >> > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential> > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > In the first chart, I see pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either giving up father or> > duties.> > > He> > > > does have some raj yogas but they are diluted by Rahu being> > > conjunct> > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the Lagna would give the temper,> > but> > > > could you tell what yoga you could locate that would indicate> > that> > > > indicates he is the right material for building India. Of> > course> > > > personally I think that every citizen of this country could> > help> > > > build the country if only he does his own duties properly> > without> > > > expecting the Government to do them for him.> > > > >> > > > > In the second case too, the 5th and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > suffer to some extent and I for one am not very certain if> > this is> > > > nation building material.> > > > > But I could be totally wrong having missed something that> > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008 10:13 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Two Potential> > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Other Elders,> > > > > Presenting two potential horoscopes, to which I think> > > > to become contributor for building tomorrow's India, suddenly,> > I> > > > started coming in contact with good guys who can be shaped,> > they> > > are> > > > not born in royal families but they have courage and will to> > fight> > > > for the true cause.> > > > > Case 1:> > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant, very sharp and fiery, an> > > > engineer and like my younger brogther, right now he has no> > > spiritual> > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from this guy. Well, as per> > the> > > > indication in the chart and as per his query and desire, I> > asked> > > him> > > > to find a bride of young age and that before Nov 2008, keeping> > > Guru's> > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see, a transformation in his> > post> > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > >> > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > >> > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > This is the horoscope, you can verify if Exalted and> > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like Debilitated Planets. Have not> > met> > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart indicates, he is very> > handsom ,> > > very> > > > convincing guy and have shown courage to speak for the truth,> > I> > > > expect, he will be a contributor for the society -> > > > > He suffered great loss in Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop. The vimshottari Period goes> > like> > > > this> > > > >> > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006 - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > serious sickness, disintegration of the family, compulsation> > of> > > > taking food separately, deep distress etc"> > > > >> > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06 January 1979> > > > 05:28:00> > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > Country : India> > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76 6 E> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > >> > > > > Lalit> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neenu,

 

The classics say four or more grahas cause pravrajya yoga.

 

It seems that your chart is indeed somewhat similar to the girl's Your 9th lord is in aspect of Mars and thus the arguments with father are also there.

 

take care,

Chandrashekhar.

 

-

neenu

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 12:50 PM

Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

 

 

Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has only 4 planets in 10th. I have been following this thread with much interest, as the girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my naive understanding.lagna is vrishchika with moon.4th house kumbha with ketu6 th house aries with sun and mercury8 th house gemini with venus10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + raGoing by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house. Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My ninth house lord moon is debilitated at lagna. I am not very close with my father, and did not have the best of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living with him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of time cumulative.Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away from home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly speak with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute. But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did argue with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says I interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it. Regards,Neenu--- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol <litsol > wrote:> litsol <litsol >> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> Dear Sir,> > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She> has not > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her> life revolves > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> personal life.> > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it> always.> > regards,> Lalit> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> "Chandrashekhar" > <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> pravrajya related to > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will> give results > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired> knowledge or > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a> chart without > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to> wrong > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.> > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only> the 10th lord > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions> about whether > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> father, here , > may not be very logical.> > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> mother so it is mother > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied> by Ketu > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though> Jupiter also > aspects the 4th. > > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> Potential Horoscopes > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> 10t'h lord is in 5'th, > there is> > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> -> > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> kind of father it> > indicates, his position and status in society and> relationship > with> > father.> > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> kind of father it > indicates,> > his position and status in society and relationship> with father, > If I m> > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> though, an afflicted and > very> > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> company of - Sat, > Rahu> > and mars.> > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> this case ?> > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> sometimes, in lack > of> > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> luckily we have > a> > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > regards,> > Lalit> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> "Chandrashekhar"> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> him in his hour > of need?> > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> Rahu, Saturn are > yet to> > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th> debate?> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > >> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> Potential > Horoscopes Worth> > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > >> > >> > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > >> > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> nice, this is one> > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> ur's company.> > >> > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> 9'th bhavas with respect > to> > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> that u analyzed > some 4> > > months back.> > >> > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > >> > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> is scorpio, but she> > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> her marriage but > not> > > left her job.> > >> > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> bhoga, so, keeps a > native> > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> given to it.> > >> > > A study this horoscope will settle the> confusion over both > nature of> > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> Dharmakarmaadhipati > yoga> > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> sacrifice for> > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> in her chart and > she did> > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> sake. Actually she was > left> > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> her birth. Plus > her> > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> planets to give > any> > > different interpretation to the results. In the> case of the > jataka> > > there are other grahas with those planets and> also the node and > that> > > does not allow the results of> Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > through.> > > >> > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> to look at the 10th > as> > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> to predict right > with> > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > To:> Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> Two Potential > Horoscopes> > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> Perfection> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > May i request to look at it this way -> 10'th lord and 9'th > lord> > > are> > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> of duties, sacrifies,> > > kindness> > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> towards father(10'th> > > lord, )he> > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > 10'th, we> > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > >> > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> duties he can leave> > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> basic elligibility for> > > being a> > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> lagna and 4'th lord > of> > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> in 9'th and which in> > > turn> > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> 3'rd lord of> > > initiatives> > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> conjunct 4'th lord of > heart> > > and> > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> karma, this 3'rd house is > also> > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > >> > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> direction, he should do > every> > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> lagna and 4'th lord is> > > one and> > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > --- In> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem > krishnan> > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sir,> > > > > You have correctly brought out both> issues of attending to> > > father> > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> to 5th.> > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> will be taking care of > his> > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> consider to attend > to> > > his> > > > father as more important leading to> sacrifice of his own> > > future.In> > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> Sriram going to > forest> > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> likely that during the> > > antar> > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> take to the > recourse.> > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > with regards> > > > >> > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar> <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > Re:> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > To:> Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> 2:24 PM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> possibilities. However> > > one> > > > should remember that we are trying to> prove some sage wrong> > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> principles given by > the> > > same> > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> ourselves.> > > > >> > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> attending to father would > be> > > more> > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> 9th bhava after all> > > does> > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> he did give up the> > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> Pravrajya did produce the> > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> tell when he may take> > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> my comments are only> > > > academic in nature as I do not know> anything about the person.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > >> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> aling@ s.com> > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> 9:31 AM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> Re: Two Potential> > > Horoscopes> > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> Perfection> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sir,> > > > >> > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> his MBA that he left> > > halfway> > > > > because he was required at home> during father's ailment.> > > > >> > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> in groups is to open > new> > > > avenues> > > > > to review some dogmas that we> developed in last few > centuries> > > and> > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > >> > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> clssics and some other time> > > we> > > > need> > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> there in.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> aling@> > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > >> > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> in 9th allow him to be> > > steady in> > > > > his duties?> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > -> > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> aling@ s.com> > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> ealing] Two Potential> > > Horoscopes> > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> more planets.The sign> > > raising> > > > in> > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> fiery in nature.All these> > > three> > > > > lagnas have influnce of> ketu,indicating struggles ahead of > his> > > life.> > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> his mind about the> > > girl.The> > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> tribulations in the > first> > > > > case.with this back ground probably> his preparedness to > assume> > > > nation> > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> houses of airy signs,again> > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> aspect.Moon in 11th > has> > > no> > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> 6th.> > > > > > These indications in both the> cases only suggests that the> > > > > native of chart may prepare for> struggles to fulfil his> > > > ideals.where> > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> recognition and status in life> > > like> > > > any> > > > > other above average person> > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> have to support for the> > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> Chandrashekhar> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> ealing] Two Potential> > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> aling@ s.com> > > > > > Monday, September 22,> 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > In the first chart, I see> pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> giving up father or> > > duties.> > > > He> > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> diluted by Rahu being> > > > conjunct> > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> Lagna would give the > temper,> > > but> > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> locate that would > indicate> > > that> > > > > indicates he is the right material> for building India. Of> > > course> > > > > personally I think that every citizen> of this country could> > > help> > > > > build the country if only he does his> own duties properly> > > without> > > > > expecting the Government to do them> for him.> > > > > >> > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> am not very certain if> > > this is> > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> having missed something that> > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> aling@ s.com> > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> 10:13 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> ealing] Two Potential> > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> Other Elders,> > > > > > Presenting two potential> horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > to become contributor for building> tomorrow's India, > suddenly,> > > I> > > > > started coming in contact with good> guys who can be shaped,> > > they> > > > are> > > > > not born in royal families but they> have courage and will to> > > fight> > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > engineer and like my younger> brogther, right now he has no> > > > spiritual> > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> this guy. Well, as per> > > the> > > > > indication in the chart and as per> his query and desire, I> > > asked> > > > him> > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> before Nov 2008, > keeping> > > > Guru's> > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> a transformation in his> > > post> > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > >> > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > >> > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> verify if Exalted and> > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > met> > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> indicates, he is very> > > handsom ,> > > > very> > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> to speak for the > truth,> > > I> > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> the society -> > > > > > He suffered great loss in> Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> The vimshottari Period > goes> > > like> > > > > this> > > > > >> > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> the family, compulsation> > > of> > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> etc"> > > > > >> > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> January 1979> > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> 6 E> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >