Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

September 30, 2008

Dear Lalit,

Since you think you have already established that 10th is for father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than yours. So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going to 6th does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in mutual square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for father and are free to take your own view of the matter.

I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter on Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all three grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the grahas are indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,

I m giving the girl's horoscope :

Lagna : Scorpio, 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars (lagna lord) + RahuNow, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she shares a special bond with her father , why ?Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th house of love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a special bond of love.Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and Rahu, There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her life is her profession and her father.Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has a clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th and 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.

Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, which is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father and 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house and Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear on my findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the needs of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream of management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. I got clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir auther's have done good work.

regards,Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu <mechumla wrote:>> Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has only 4 planets in 10th. > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my naive understanding.> > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> 4th house kumbha with ketu> 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> 8 th house gemini with venus> 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house. Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My ninth house lord moon is debilitated at lagna. > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the best of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living with him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of time cumulative.> > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away from home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly speak with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute. > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did argue with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says I interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it. > > Regards,> Neenu> > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol wrote:> > > litsol litsol > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > Dear Sir,> > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She> > has not > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her> > life revolves > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > personal life.> > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it> > always.> > > > regards,> > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > "Chandrashekhar" > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > pravrajya related to > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will> > give results > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired> > knowledge or > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a> > chart without > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to> > wrong > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.> > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only> > the 10th lord > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions> > about whether > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > father, here , > > may not be very logical.> > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > mother so it is mother > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied> > by Ketu > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though> > Jupiter also > > aspects the 4th. > > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > Potential Horoscopes > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > 10t'h lord is in 5'th, > > there is> > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > -> > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > kind of father it> > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > relationship > > with> > > father.> > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > kind of father it > > indicates,> > > his position and status in society and relationship> > with father, > > If I m> > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > though, an afflicted and > > very> > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > company of - Sat, > > Rahu> > > and mars.> > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > this case ?> > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > sometimes, in lack > > of> > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > luckily we have > > a> > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > him in his hour > > of need?> > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> > Rahu, Saturn are > > yet to> > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th> > debate?> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > Potential > > Horoscopes Worth> > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > >> > > >> > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > >> > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > nice, this is one> > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > ur's company.> > > >> > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > 9'th bhavas with respect > > to> > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > that u analyzed > > some 4> > > > months back.> > > >> > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > >> > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > is scorpio, but she> > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > her marriage but > > not> > > > left her job.> > > >> > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > bhoga, so, keeps a > > native> > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > given to it.> > > >> > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > confusion over both > > nature of> > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > Dharmakarmaadhipati > > yoga> > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > sacrifice for> > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > in her chart and > > she did> > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > sake. Actually she was > > left> > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > her birth. Plus > > her> > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > planets to give > > any> > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > case of the > > jataka> > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > also the node and > > that> > > > does not allow the results of> > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > through.> > > > >> > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > to look at the 10th > > as> > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > to predict right > > with> > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > To:> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > Two Potential > > Horoscopes> > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > Perfection> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > 10'th lord and 9'th > > lord> > > > are> > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > kindness> > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > towards father(10'th> > > > lord, )he> > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > 10'th, we> > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > >> > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > duties he can leave> > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > basic elligibility for> > > > being a> > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > lagna and 4'th lord > > of> > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > in 9'th and which in> > > > turn> > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > 3'rd lord of> > > > initiatives> > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > conjunct 4'th lord of > > heart> > > > and> > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > karma, this 3'rd house is > > also> > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > >> > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > direction, he should do > > every> > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > one and> > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > --- In> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem > > krishnan> > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > issues of attending to> > > > father> > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > to 5th.> > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> > will be taking care of > > his> > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > consider to attend > > to> > > > his> > > > > father as more important leading to> > sacrifice of his own> > > > future.In> > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > Sriram going to > > forest> > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > likely that during the> > > > antar> > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > take to the > > recourse.> > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > with regards> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > Re:> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > To:> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > 2:24 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > possibilities. However> > > > one> > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > prove some sage wrong> > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > principles given by > > the> > > > same> > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > ourselves.> > > > > >> > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > attending to father would > > be> > > > more> > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > 9th bhava after all> > > > does> > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> > he did give up the> > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > tell when he may take> > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > my comments are only> > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > anything about the person.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > aling@ s.com> > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > 9:31 AM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > Re: Two Potential> > > > Horoscopes> > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > Perfection> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > his MBA that he left> > > > halfway> > > > > > because he was required at home> > during father's ailment.> > > > > >> > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > in groups is to open > > new> > > > > avenues> > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > developed in last few > > centuries> > > > and> > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > clssics and some other time> > > > we> > > > > need> > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > there in.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > aling@> > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > in 9th allow him to be> > > > steady in> > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > ealing] Two Potential> > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > more planets.The sign> > > > raising> > > > > in> > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > fiery in nature.All these> > > > three> > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of > > his> > > > life.> > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > his mind about the> > > > girl.The> > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > tribulations in the > > first> > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > his preparedness to > > assume> > > > > nation> > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > aspect.Moon in 11th > > has> > > > no> > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > 6th.> > > > > > > These indications in both the> > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > recognition and status in life> > > > like> > > > > any> > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > have to support for the> > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > giving up father or> > > > duties.> > > > > He> > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > conjunct> > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > Lagna would give the > > temper,> > > > but> > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > locate that would > > indicate> > > > that> > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > for building India. Of> > > > course> > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > of this country could> > > > help> > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > own duties properly> > > > without> > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > for him.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > am not very certain if> > > > this is> > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > having missed something that> > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > Other Elders,> > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > to become contributor for building> > tomorrow's India, > > suddenly,> > > > I> > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > guys who can be shaped,> > > > they> > > > > are> > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > have courage and will to> > > > fight> > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > spiritual> > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > this guy. Well, as per> > > > the> > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > his query and desire, I> > > > asked> > > > > him> > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > before Nov 2008, > > keeping> > > > > Guru's> > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > a transformation in his> > > > post> > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > met> > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > indicates, he is very> > > > handsom ,> > > > > very> > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > to speak for the > > truth,> > > > I> > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > the society -> > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > The vimshottari Period > > goes> > > > like> > > > > > this> > > > > > >> > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > the family, compulsation> > > > of> > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > etc"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > January 1979> > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > 6 E> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >>

October 1, 2008

Dear Sir,

Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing, closing

my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will not

help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.

I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the father in

this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup from

5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.

Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment with MP

Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this

factor.

Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells

Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 planets are

togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the

significations of the concerned house rather they have become more

inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :

1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in 11'th and his

focus is on earning more and more.

2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, She is

exceptionaly profession minded.

3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu

and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory for

his family members, still, working as President of His group of

companies.

4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for tomorrow's

India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and

he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's sickness

has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's case

also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's health

and expenses on father.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Since you think you have already established that 10th is for

father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than yours.

So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going to 6th

does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in mutual

square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for father

and are free to take your own view of the matter.

>

> I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is

formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter on

Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in

strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all three

grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the grahas are

indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's House -

10'th/9'th : Last effort

>

> Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,

>

> I m giving the girl's horoscope :

>

> Lagna : Scorpio,

> 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius

> 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)

> 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)

> 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars (lagna

lord) + Rahu

>

> Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to

6'th house, should create differences between them, but she shares a

special bond with her father , why ?

>

> Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of

father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th house of

love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a special bond

of love.

>

> Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and Rahu,

There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her life

is her profession and her father.

>

> Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has a

clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th and

10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.

>

> Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, which

is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.

>

> So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father and

9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house and

Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear on my

findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the needs

of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream of

management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. I got

clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir auther's

have done good work.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu

<mechumla@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,

> >

> > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a

house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has only 4

planets in 10th.

> >

> > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the

girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my naive

understanding.

> >

> > lagna is vrishchika with moon.

> > 4th house kumbha with ketu

> > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury

> > 8 th house gemini with venus

> > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra

> >

> > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent

father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house.

Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My ninth

house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.

> >

> > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the best

of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to

literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living with

him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of time

cumulative.

> >

> > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away from

home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly speak

with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.

> >

> > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did argue

with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says I

interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Neenu

> >

> > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> >

> > > litsol litsol@

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She

> > > has not

> > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her

> > > life revolves

> > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her

> > > personal life.

> > >

> > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it

> > > always.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > You have not yet replied to my question about

> > > pravrajya related to

> > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?

> > > >

> > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will

> > > give results

> > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired

> > > knowledge or

> > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a

> > > chart without

> > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to

> > > wrong

> > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.

> > > >

> > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only

> > > the 10th lord

> > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions

> > > about whether

> > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for

> > > father, here ,

> > > may not be very logical.

> > > >

> > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's

> > > mother so it is mother

> > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied

> > > by Ketu

> > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though

> > > Jupiter also

> > > aspects the 4th.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > Potential Horoscopes

> > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and

> > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

> > > there is

> > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know

> > > -

> > > >

> > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what

> > > kind of father it

> > > > indicates, his position and status in society and

> > > relationship

> > > with

> > > > father.

> > > >

> > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what

> > > kind of father it

> > > indicates,

> > > > his position and status in society and relationship

> > > with father,

> > > If I m

> > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,

> > > though, an afflicted and

> > > very

> > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in

> > > company of - Sat,

> > > Rahu

> > > > and mars.

> > > >

> > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in

> > > this case ?

> > > >

> > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,

> > > sometimes, in lack

> > > of

> > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but

> > > luckily we have

> > > a

> > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake

> > > him in his hour

> > > of need?

> > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,

> > > Rahu, Saturn are

> > > yet to

> > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th

> > > debate?

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > Potential

> > > Horoscopes Worth

> > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > >

> > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so

> > > nice, this is one

> > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in

> > > ur's company.

> > > > >

> > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and

> > > 9'th bhavas with respect

> > > to

> > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope

> > > that u analyzed

> > > some 4

> > > > > months back.

> > > > >

> > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M

> > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> > > > >

> > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna

> > > is scorpio, but she

> > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken

> > > her marriage but

> > > not

> > > > > left her job.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for

> > > bhoga, so, keeps a

> > > native

> > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions

> > > given to it.

> > > > >

> > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the

> > > confusion over both

> > > nature of

> > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives

> > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > yoga

> > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with

> > > sacrifice for

> > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga

> > > in her chart and

> > > she did

> > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's

> > > sake. Actually she was

> > > left

> > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after

> > > her birth. Plus

> > > her

> > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other

> > > planets to give

> > > any

> > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the

> > > case of the

> > > jataka

> > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and

> > > also the node and

> > > that

> > > > > does not allow the results of

> > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> > > > > through.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition

> > > to look at the 10th

> > > as

> > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able

> > > to predict right

> > > with

> > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > To:

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > Two Potential

> > > Horoscopes

> > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > Perfection

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -

> > > 10'th lord and 9'th

> > > lord

> > > > > are

> > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house

> > > of duties, sacrifies,

> > > > > kindness

> > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties

> > > towards father(10'th

> > > > > lord, )he

> > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th

> > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > > > > 10'th, we

> > > > > > get straightforward explanation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his

> > > duties he can leave

> > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very

> > > basic elligibility for

> > > > > being a

> > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that

> > > lagna and 4'th lord

> > > of

> > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed

> > > in 9'th and which in

> > > > > turn

> > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is

> > > 3'rd lord of

> > > > > initiatives

> > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and

> > > conjunct 4'th lord of

> > > heart

> > > > > and

> > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of

> > > karma, this 3'rd house is

> > > also

> > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper

> > > direction, he should do

> > > every

> > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,

> > > lagna and 4'th lord is

> > > > > one and

> > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem

> > > krishnan

> > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both

> > > issues of attending to

> > > > > father

> > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th

> > > to 5th.

> > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native

> > > will be taking care of

> > > his

> > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to

> > > consider to attend

> > > to

> > > > > his

> > > > > > father as more important leading to

> > > sacrifice of his own

> > > > > future.In

> > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord

> > > Sriram going to

> > > forest

> > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is

> > > likely that during the

> > > > > antar

> > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to

> > > take to the

> > > recourse.

> > > > > > > vrkishnan

> > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > Re:

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > To:

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,

> > > 2:24 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the

> > > possibilities. However

> > > > > one

> > > > > > should remember that we are trying to

> > > prove some sage wrong

> > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the

> > > principles given by

> > > the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by

> > > ourselves.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and

> > > attending to father would

> > > be

> > > > > more

> > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.

> > > 9th bhava after all

> > > > > does

> > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so

> > > he did give up the

> > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the

> > > Pravrajya did produce the

> > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will

> > > tell when he may take

> > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course

> > > my comments are only

> > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know

> > > anything about the person.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008

> > > 9:31 AM

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]

> > > Re: Two Potential

> > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > Perfection

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing

> > > his MBA that he left

> > > > > halfway

> > > > > > > because he was required at home

> > > during father's ailment.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things

> > > in groups is to open

> > > new

> > > > > > avenues

> > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we

> > > developed in last few

> > > centuries

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to

> > > clssics and some other time

> > > > > we

> > > > > > need

> > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated

> > > there in.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > aling@

> > > > > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga

> > > in 9th allow him to be

> > > > > steady in

> > > > > > > his duties?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,

> > > 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in

> > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5

> > > more planets.The sign

> > > > > raising

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign

> > > fiery in nature.All these

> > > > > three

> > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of

> > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of

> > > his

> > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from

> > > the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up

> > > his mind about the

> > > > > girl.The

> > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and

> > > tribulations in the

> > > first

> > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably

> > > his preparedness to

> > > assume

> > > > > > nation

> > > > > > > building character is very distant.

> > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9

> > > houses of airy signs,again

> > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns

> > > aspect.Moon in 11th

> > > has

> > > > > no

> > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in

> > > 6th.

> > > > > > > > These indications in both the

> > > cases only suggests that the

> > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for

> > > struggles to fulfil his

> > > > > > ideals.where

> > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some

> > > recognition and status in life

> > > > > like

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > other above average person

> > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart

> > > have to support for the

> > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.

> > > > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,

> > > 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see

> > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either

> > > giving up father or

> > > > > duties.

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are

> > > diluted by Rahu being

> > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the

> > > Lagna would give the

> > > temper,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could

> > > locate that would

> > > indicate

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > indicates he is the right material

> > > for building India. Of

> > > > > course

> > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen

> > > of this country could

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > build the country if only he does his

> > > own duties properly

> > > > > without

> > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them

> > > for him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th

> > > and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one

> > > am not very certain if

> > > > > this is

> > > > > > > nation building material.

> > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong

> > > having missed something that

> > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As to the second chart,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008

> > > 10:13 PM

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and

> > > Other Elders,

> > > > > > > > Presenting two potential

> > > horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > > > > to become contributor for building

> > > tomorrow's India,

> > > suddenly,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > started coming in contact with good

> > > guys who can be shaped,

> > > > > they

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > not born in royal families but they

> > > have courage and will to

> > > > > fight

> > > > > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,

> > > very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > > > > engineer and like my younger

> > > brogther, right now he has no

> > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from

> > > this guy. Well, as per

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per

> > > his query and desire, I

> > > > > asked

> > > > > > him

> > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that

> > > before Nov 2008,

> > > keeping

> > > > > > Guru's

> > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,

> > > a transformation in his

> > > > > post

> > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -

> > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can

> > > verify if Exalted and

> > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like

> > > Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > > > > met

> > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart

> > > indicates, he is very

> > > > > handsom ,

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage

> > > to speak for the

> > > truth,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for

> > > the society -

> > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in

> > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.

> > > The vimshottari Period

> > > goes

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006

> > > - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of

> > > the family, compulsation

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress

> > > etc "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06

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October 1, 2008

Dear Lalit,

The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so it is difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord exchanging places leading to bond between the jataka and father, even assuming, but not admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.

Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the 10th lord, so its good placement and the father being powerful can not prove that 10th bhava is for father.

But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with those parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show that 10th is the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet it is not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is also in the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his father was very powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi that Nehru got close to him and then became primeminister is common knowledge. You may like to think about this too.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

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litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

Dear Sir,Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing, closing my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will not help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the father in this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup from 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment with MP Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this factor.Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 planets are togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the significations of the concerned house rather they have become more inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy : 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in 11'th and his focus is on earning more and more.2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, She is exceptionaly profession minded.3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahuand at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory for his family members, still, working as President of His group of companies.4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for tomorrow's India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's sickness has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's case also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's health and expenses on father.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > Since you think you have already established that 10th is for father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than yours. So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going to 6th does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in mutual square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for father and are free to take your own view of the matter.> > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter on Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all three grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the grahas are indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position. > > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> > Lagna : Scorpio, > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars (lagna lord) + Rahu> > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she shares a special bond with her father , why ?> > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th house of love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a special bond of love.> > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and Rahu, There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her life is her profession and her father.> > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has a clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th and 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, which is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.> > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father and 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house and Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear on my findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the needs of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream of management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. I got clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir auther's have done good work.> > regards,> Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu <mechumla@> wrote:> >> > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has only 4 planets in 10th. > > > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my naive understanding.> > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > 8 th house gemini with venus> > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house. Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My ninth house lord moon is debilitated at lagna. > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the best of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living with him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of time cumulative.> > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away from home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly speak with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute. > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did argue with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says I interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it. > > > > Regards,> > Neenu> > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > > > litsol litsol@> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She> > > has not > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her> > > life revolves > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > > personal life.> > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it> > > always.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > "Chandrashekhar" > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > > pravrajya related to > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will> > > give results > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired> > > knowledge or > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a> > > chart without > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to> > > wrong > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.> > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only> > > the 10th lord > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions> > > about whether > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > > father, here , > > > may not be very logical.> > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > mother so it is mother > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied> > > by Ketu > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though> > > Jupiter also > > > aspects the 4th. > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > - > > > > litsol > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > Potential Horoscopes > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th, > > > there is> > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > > -> > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > kind of father it> > > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > > relationship > > > with> > > > father.> > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > kind of father it > > > indicates,> > > > his position and status in society and relationship> > > with father, > > > If I m> > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > though, an afflicted and > > > very> > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > > company of - Sat, > > > Rahu> > > > and mars.> > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > > this case ?> > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > > sometimes, in lack > > > of> > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > > luckily we have > > > a> > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > > him in his hour > > > of need?> > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> > > Rahu, Saturn are > > > yet to> > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th> > > debate?> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > Potential > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > >> > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > > nice, this is one> > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > ur's company.> > > > >> > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > > 9'th bhavas with respect > > > to> > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > > that u analyzed > > > some 4> > > > > months back.> > > > >> > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > >> > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > > her marriage but > > > not> > > > > left her job.> > > > >> > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > bhoga, so, keeps a > > > native> > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > > given to it.> > > > >> > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > confusion over both > > > nature of> > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > Dharmakarmaadhipati > > > yoga> > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > > sacrifice for> > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > > in her chart and > > > she did> > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > sake. Actually she was > > > left> > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > > her birth. Plus > > > her> > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > > planets to give > > > any> > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > > case of the > > > jataka> > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > > also the node and > > > that> > > > > does not allow the results of> > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > through.> > > > > >> > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > to look at the 10th > > > as> > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > > to predict right > > > with> > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > To:> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > Two Potential > > > Horoscopes> > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > Perfection> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > 10'th lord and 9'th > > > lord> > > > > are> > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > kindness> > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > towards father(10'th> > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > >> > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > > duties he can leave> > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > basic elligibility for> > > > > being a> > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > > lagna and 4'th lord > > > of> > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > turn> > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > initiatives> > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > conjunct 4'th lord of > > > heart> > > > > and> > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > karma, this 3'rd house is > > > also> > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > >> > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > direction, he should do > > > every> > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > one and> > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem > > > krishnan> > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > issues of attending to> > > > > father> > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > > to 5th.> > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> > > will be taking care of > > > his> > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > > consider to attend > > > to> > > > > his> > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > future.In> > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > > Sriram going to > > > forest> > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > likely that during the> > > > > antar> > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > > take to the > > > recourse.> > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > Re:> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > To:> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > possibilities. However> > > > > one> > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > > principles given by > > > the> > > > > same> > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > ourselves.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > attending to father would > > > be> > > > > more> > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > does> > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> > > he did give up the> > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > > tell when he may take> > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > > my comments are only> > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > anything about the person.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > Perfection> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > his MBA that he left> > > > > halfway> > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > in groups is to open > > > new> > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > developed in last few > > > centuries> > > > > and> > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > clssics and some other time> > > > > we> > > > > > need> > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > there in.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > aling@> > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > steady in> > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > more planets.The sign> > > > > raising> > > > > > in> > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > three> > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of > > > his> > > > > life.> > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > his mind about the> > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > tribulations in the > > > first> > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > his preparedness to > > > assume> > > > > > nation> > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > aspect.Moon in 11th > > > has> > > > > no> > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > 6th.> > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > recognition and status in life> > > > > like> > > > > > any> > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > have to support for the> > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > giving up father or> > > > > duties.> > > > > > He> > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > > Lagna would give the > > > temper,> > > > > but> > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > locate that would > > > indicate> > > > > that> > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > for building India. Of> > > > > course> > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > of this country could> > > > > help> > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > own duties properly> > > > > without> > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > for him.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > am not very certain if> > > > > this is> > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > having missed something that> > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > tomorrow's India, > > > suddenly,> > > > > I> > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > they> > > > > > are> > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > have courage and will to> > > > > fight> > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > the> > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > his query and desire, I> > > > > asked> > > > > > him> > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > before Nov 2008, > > > keeping> > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > a transformation in his> > > > > post> > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > met> > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > indicates, he is very> > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > very> > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > to speak for the > > > truth,> > > > > I> > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > the society -> > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > The vimshottari Period > > > goes> > > > > like> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > the family, compulsation> > > > > of> > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > etc"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > January 1979> > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > 6 E> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> >>

October 2, 2008

Dear Sir,

Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more cases to reach

an educated conclusion.

5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, learning and

imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a loving

relationship with father.

Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i remember his

chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of father, and 2nd

house of family.

Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his father was

also a learned and well reputed in society.

Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th which

should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given similar chart.

Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she has to

support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and venus is placed

in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun is also

there, father still has enough land and other immovable property but in

joint possession with his brothers.

Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 PM, he is a

saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly earns some

Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.

Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.

Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get

straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also examined 9'th

as expenses, service and duty towards father.

regards,

Lalit

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so it is

difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord exchanging places

leading to bond between the jataka and father, even assuming, but not

admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.

>

> Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the 10th lord, so

its good placement and the father being powerful can not prove that 10th

bhava is for father.

>

> But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with those

parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show that 10th is

the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet it is

not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is also in

the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his father was very

powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi that Nehru

got close to him and then became primeminister is common knowledge. You

may like to think about this too.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -

10'th/9'th : Last effort

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing, closing

> my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will not

> help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.

>

> I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the father in

> this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup from

> 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.

>

> Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment with MP

> Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this

> factor.

>

> Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells

> Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 planets are

> togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the

> significations of the concerned house rather they have become more

> inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :

>

> 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in 11'th and his

> focus is on earning more and more.

>

> 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, She is

> exceptionaly profession minded.

>

> 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu

> and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory for

> his family members, still, working as President of His group of

> companies.

>

> 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for tomorrow's

> India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and

> he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's sickness

> has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's case

> also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's health

> and expenses on father.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > Since you think you have already established that 10th is for

> father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than yours.

> So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going to 6th

> does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in mutual

> square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for father

> and are free to take your own view of the matter.

> >

> > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is

> formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter on

> Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in

> strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all three

> grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the grahas are

> indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's House -

> 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> >

> > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,

> >

> > I m giving the girl's horoscope :

> >

> > Lagna : Scorpio,

> > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius

> > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)

> > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)

> > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars (lagna

> lord) + Rahu

> >

> > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to

> 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she shares a

> special bond with her father , why ?

> >

> > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of

> father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th house of

> love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a special bond

> of love.

> >

> > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and Rahu,

> There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her life

> is her profession and her father.

> >

> > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has a

> clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th and

> 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.

> >

> > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, which

> is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.

> >

> > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father and

> 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house and

> Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear on my

> findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the needs

> of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream of

> management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. I got

> clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir auther's

> have done good work.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu

> <mechumla@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,

> > >

> > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a

> house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has only 4

> planets in 10th.

> > >

> > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the

> girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my naive

> understanding.

> > >

> > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.

> > > 4th house kumbha with ketu

> > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury

> > > 8 th house gemini with venus

> > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra

> > >

> > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent

> father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house.

> Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My ninth

> house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.

> > >

> > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the best

> of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to

> literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living with

> him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of time

> cumulative.

> > >

> > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away from

> home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly speak

> with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.

> > >

> > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did argue

> with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says I

> interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Neenu

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > litsol litsol@

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She

> > > > has not

> > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her

> > > > life revolves

> > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her

> > > > personal life.

> > > >

> > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it

> > > > always.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about

> > > > pravrajya related to

> > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?

> > > > >

> > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will

> > > > give results

> > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired

> > > > knowledge or

> > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a

> > > > chart without

> > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to

> > > > wrong

> > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.

> > > > >

> > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only

> > > > the 10th lord

> > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions

> > > > about whether

> > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for

> > > > father, here ,

> > > > may not be very logical.

> > > > >

> > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's

> > > > mother so it is mother

> > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied

> > > > by Ketu

> > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though

> > > > Jupiter also

> > > > aspects the 4th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > Potential Horoscopes

> > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and

> > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

> > > > there is

> > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know

> > > > -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what

> > > > kind of father it

> > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and

> > > > relationship

> > > > with

> > > > > father.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what

> > > > kind of father it

> > > > indicates,

> > > > > his position and status in society and relationship

> > > > with father,

> > > > If I m

> > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,

> > > > though, an afflicted and

> > > > very

> > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in

> > > > company of - Sat,

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > and mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in

> > > > this case ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,

> > > > sometimes, in lack

> > > > of

> > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but

> > > > luckily we have

> > > > a

> > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake

> > > > him in his hour

> > > > of need?

> > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,

> > > > Rahu, Saturn are

> > > > yet to

> > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th

> > > > debate?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > Potential

> > > > Horoscopes Worth

> > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so

> > > > nice, this is one

> > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in

> > > > ur's company.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and

> > > > 9'th bhavas with respect

> > > > to

> > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope

> > > > that u analyzed

> > > > some 4

> > > > > > months back.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M

> > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna

> > > > is scorpio, but she

> > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken

> > > > her marriage but

> > > > not

> > > > > > left her job.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for

> > > > bhoga, so, keeps a

> > > > native

> > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions

> > > > given to it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the

> > > > confusion over both

> > > > nature of

> > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives

> > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with

> > > > sacrifice for

> > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga

> > > > in her chart and

> > > > she did

> > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's

> > > > sake. Actually she was

> > > > left

> > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after

> > > > her birth. Plus

> > > > her

> > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other

> > > > planets to give

> > > > any

> > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the

> > > > case of the

> > > > jataka

> > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and

> > > > also the node and

> > > > that

> > > > > > does not allow the results of

> > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> > > > > > through.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition

> > > > to look at the 10th

> > > > as

> > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able

> > > > to predict right

> > > > with

> > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > To:

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > > Two Potential

> > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > Perfection

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -

> > > > 10'th lord and 9'th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house

> > > > of duties, sacrifies,

> > > > > > kindness

> > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties

> > > > towards father(10'th

> > > > > > lord, )he

> > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th

> > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > > > > > 10'th, we

> > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his

> > > > duties he can leave

> > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very

> > > > basic elligibility for

> > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that

> > > > lagna and 4'th lord

> > > > of

> > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed

> > > > in 9'th and which in

> > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is

> > > > 3'rd lord of

> > > > > > initiatives

> > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and

> > > > conjunct 4'th lord of

> > > > heart

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of

> > > > karma, this 3'rd house is

> > > > also

> > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper

> > > > direction, he should do

> > > > every

> > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,

> > > > lagna and 4'th lord is

> > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem

> > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both

> > > > issues of attending to

> > > > > > father

> > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th

> > > > to 5th.

> > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native

> > > > will be taking care of

> > > > his

> > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to

> > > > consider to attend

> > > > to

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > father as more important leading to

> > > > sacrifice of his own

> > > > > > future.In

> > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord

> > > > Sriram going to

> > > > forest

> > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is

> > > > likely that during the

> > > > > > antar

> > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to

> > > > take to the

> > > > recourse.

> > > > > > > > vrkishnan

> > > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > Re:

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > To:

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,

> > > > 2:24 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the

> > > > possibilities. However

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to

> > > > prove some sage wrong

> > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the

> > > > principles given by

> > > > the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by

> > > > ourselves.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and

> > > > attending to father would

> > > > be

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.

> > > > 9th bhava after all

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so

> > > > he did give up the

> > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the

> > > > Pravrajya did produce the

> > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will

> > > > tell when he may take

> > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course

> > > > my comments are only

> > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know

> > > > anything about the person.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008

> > > > 9:31 AM

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]

> > > > Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing

> > > > his MBA that he left

> > > > > > halfway

> > > > > > > > because he was required at home

> > > > during father's ailment.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things

> > > > in groups is to open

> > > > new

> > > > > > > avenues

> > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we

> > > > developed in last few

> > > > centuries

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to

> > > > clssics and some other time

> > > > > > we

> > > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated

> > > > there in.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > aling@

> > > > > > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga

> > > > in 9th allow him to be

> > > > > > steady in

> > > > > > > > his duties?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,

> > > > 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in

> > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5

> > > > more planets.The sign

> > > > > > raising

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign

> > > > fiery in nature.All these

> > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of

> > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of

> > > > his

> > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from

> > > > the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up

> > > > his mind about the

> > > > > > girl.The

> > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and

> > > > tribulations in the

> > > > first

> > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably

> > > > his preparedness to

> > > > assume

> > > > > > > nation

> > > > > > > > building character is very distant.

> > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9

> > > > houses of airy signs,again

> > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns

> > > > aspect.Moon in 11th

> > > > has

> > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in

> > > > 6th.

> > > > > > > > > These indications in both the

> > > > cases only suggests that the

> > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for

> > > > struggles to fulfil his

> > > > > > > ideals.where

> > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some

> > > > recognition and status in life

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > other above average person

> > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart

> > > > have to support for the

> > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.

> > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,

> > > > 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see

> > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either

> > > > giving up father or

> > > > > > duties.

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are

> > > > diluted by Rahu being

> > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the

> > > > Lagna would give the

> > > > temper,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could

> > > > locate that would

> > > > indicate

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material

> > > > for building India. Of

> > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen

> > > > of this country could

> > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his

> > > > own duties properly

> > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them

> > > > for him.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th

> > > > and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one

> > > > am not very certain if

> > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > nation building material.

> > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong

> > > > having missed something that

> > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008

> > > > 10:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and

> > > > Other Elders,

> > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential

> > > > horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > > > > > to become contributor for building

> > > > tomorrow's India,

> > > > suddenly,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good

> > > > guys who can be shaped,

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they

> > > > have courage and will to

> > > > > > fight

> > > > > > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,

> > > > very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger

> > > > brogther, right now he has no

> > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from

> > > > this guy. Well, as per

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per

> > > > his query and desire, I

> > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that

> > > > before Nov 2008,

> > > > keeping

> > > > > > > Guru's

> > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,

> > > > a transformation in his

> > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -

> > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can

> > > > verify if Exalted and

> > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like

> > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > > > > > met

> > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart

> > > > indicates, he is very

> > > > > > handsom ,

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage

> > > > to speak for the

> > > > truth,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for

> > > > the society -

> > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in

> > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.

> > > > The vimshottari Period

> > > > goes

> > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006

> > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of

> > > > the family, compulsation

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress

> > > > etc "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06

> > > > January 1979

> > > > > > > > 05:28:00

> > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,

> > > > > > > > > Country : India

> > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76

> > > > 6 E

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 2, 2008

Dear Lalit Ji,

Disposition of planet particularly lord of 9th or 10th is very important to say about nature of relationship.

Even in case study we need to infer these issues by looking from aspects cast on the natural karak for father ie sun.

10th has dual role to support for father as 4th represents mother.If 9th is considered,it lacks logics as it becomes6/8 relation between the two (father and mother)

vrkrishnan--- On Thu, 10/2/08, litsol <litsol wrote:

litsol <litsol[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effortVedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 11:38 AM

Dear Sir,Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more cases to reachan educated conclusion.5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, learning andimagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a lovingrelationship with father.Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i remember hischart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of father, and 2ndhouse of family.Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his father wasalso a learned and well reputed in society.Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th whichshould denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given similar chart.Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she has tosupport his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and venus is placedin 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun is

alsothere, father still has enough land and other immovable property but injoint possession with his brothers.Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 PM, he is asaggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly earns someRs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we getstraightforward explanation regarding father, we have also examined 9'thas expenses, service and duty towards father.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashek har wrote:>> Dear Lalit,>> The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so it isdifficult to follow the logic of 5th and

10th lord exchanging placesleading to bond between the jataka and father, even assuming, but notadmitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.>> Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the 10th lord, soits good placement and the father being powerful can not prove that 10thbhava is for father.>> But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with thoseparameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show that 10th isthe bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet it isnot the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is also inthe 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his father was verypowerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi that Nehrugot close to him and then became primeminister is common knowledge. Youmay like to think about this too.>>> Take care,>

Chandrashekhar.> -> litsol> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Which is Father's House -10'th/9'th : Last effort>>> Dear Sir,>> Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing, closing> my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will not> help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.>> I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the father in> this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup from> 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.>> Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment with MP> Govt,

exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this> factor.>> Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells> Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 planets are> togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the> significations of the concerned house rather they have become more> inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :>> 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+ Rahu in 11'th and his> focus is on earning more and more.>> 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+ Rahu, She is> exceptionaly profession minded.>> 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has Venus+Merc+Sun+ Rahu> and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory for> his family members, still, working as President of His group of> companies.>> 4. Ravi :

The Guy to which i said is a contributer for tomorrow's> India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has Sun+Jup+Saturn+ Merc+Rahu and> he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's sickness> has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's case> also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's health> and expenses on father.>> regards,> Lalit.>> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > Since you think you have already established that 10th is for> father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than yours.> So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going to 6th> does not indicate clashes

with father as 6th and 9th are in mutual> square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for father> and are free to take your own view of the matter.> >> > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is> formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter on> Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in> strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all three> grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the grahas are> indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> >> > -> > litsol> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > Sent:

Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Which is Father's House -> 10'th/9'th : Last effort> >> >> >> > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> >> > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> >> > Lagna : Scorpio,> > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars (lagna> lord) + Rahu> >> > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to> 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she shares a> special bond with her father , why ?> >> > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of> father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th house

of> love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a special bond> of love.> >> > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and Rahu,> There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her life> is her profession and her father.> >> > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has a> clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th and> 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> >> > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, which> is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.> >> > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father and> 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house and> Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear on my> findings as I do that with a vision to

update astrology to the needs> of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream of> management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. I got> clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir auther's> have done good work.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, neenu> <mechumla@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > >> > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a> house. So how does

this girl native have that yoga, as she has only 4> planets in 10th.> > >> > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the> girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my naive> understanding.> > >> > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > >> > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent> father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house.> Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My ninth> house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > >> > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the best> of relationship with

him. In the past eight years if I have to> literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living with> him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of time> cumulative.> > >> > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away from> home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly speak> with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.> > >> > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did argue> with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says I> interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Neenu> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > >> > > > litsol litsol@> >

> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two Potential> Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She> > > > has not> > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her> > > > life revolves> > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > > > personal life.> > > >> > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it> > > > always.> > > >> > > > regards,> > >

> Lalit> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > > > pravrajya related to> > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > > > >> > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will> > > > give results> > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired> > > > knowledge or> > > > the jataka may give up

higher studies. But analyzing a> > > > chart without> > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to> > > > wrong> > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.> > > > >> > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only> > > > the 10th lord> > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions> > > > about whether> > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > > > father, here ,> > > > may not be very logical.> > > > >> > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > > mother so it is mother> > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied> > > > by Ketu> > >

> conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though> > > > Jupiter also> > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two> > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > In this case, 5'th

lod is in 10'th, and> > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > there is> > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > > > -> > > > >> > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > > kind of father it> > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > > > relationship> > > > with> > > > > father.> > > > >> > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > > kind of father it> > > > indicates,> > > > > his position and status in society and relationship> > > > with father,> > > > If I m> > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > > though, an afflicted and>

> > > very> > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > > > company of - Sat,> > > > Rahu> > > > > and mars.> > > > >> > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > > > this case ?> > > > >> > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > of> > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > > > luckily we have> > > > a> > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > > > him in his hour> > > > of need?> > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > yet to> > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th> > > > debate?> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > >

> litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two> > > > Potential> > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > > ur's company.> > > > > >> > > > > > regarding the distinction of

10'th and> > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> > > > to> > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > > > that u analyzed> > > > some 4> > > > > > months back.> > > > > >> > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > >> > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > > > her marriage but> > > > not> > > > > > left her job.> > > > > >> > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > >

native> > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > > > given to it.> > > > > >> > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > > confusion over both> > > > nature of> > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > >

> > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > yoga> > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > > > in her chart and> > > > she did> > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > left> > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > > > her birth. Plus> > > > her> > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > > > planets to give> > > > any> > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > > > case of the> > >

> jataka> > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > > > also the node and> > > > that> > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > through.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > > to look at the 10th> > > > as> > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > > > to predict right> > > > with> > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > To:> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re:> > > > Two Potential> > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > Perfection> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > lord> > > > >

> are> > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > being a> > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note

that> > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > of> > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > turn> > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > heart> > > > > > and> > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > also> > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > > direction, he should

do> > > > every> > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > one and> > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, vattem> > > > krishnan> > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > > issues of attending to> >

> > > > father> > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > Under the circumstances, the native> > > > will be taking care of> > > > his> > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > > > consider to attend> > > > to> > > > > > his> > > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > > > Sriram going to> > > > forest> > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > > likely that during the> > > > > > antar> > >

> > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > > > take to the> > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > Re:> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > To:> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > one> > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > >

forgetting that we are using most of the> > > > principles given by> > > > the> > > > > > same> > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > > attending to father would> > > > be> > > > > > more> > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > does> > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the

dasha which will> > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008>

> > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > Perfection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > > in groups is to

open> > > > new> > > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > developed in last few> > > > centuries> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > we> > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > > there in.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> >

> > aling@> > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > To:

Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > raising> > > > > > > in> >

> > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > three> > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > his> > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > > his mind about the> > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > > tribulations in the> > > > first> > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > > his preparedness to> > > > assume> > > > >

> > nation> > > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > has> > > > > > no> > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > recognition and status in life> > >

> > > like> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > ealing] Two Potential>

> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > > giving up father or> > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they

are> > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > > > Lagna would give the> > > > temper,> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > > locate that would> > > > indicate> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > course> > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > > of this country could> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > > own duties properly> > > > > >

without> > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > > for him.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > >

Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > suddenly,> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > they> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > >

> > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > asked> > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > keeping> > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > > a transformation in his> > > > > > post> > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see ->

> > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > met> > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > > indicates, he is very> > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > > to speak for the> > > > truth,> > > > > > I>

> > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > goes> > > > > > like> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > > etc"> > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

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October 2, 2008

Dear Lalit,

Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when in earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes to the 3rd why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project that 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9 this to be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do not think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant with father.

It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the house for father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much results.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

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litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

Dear Sir,Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more cases to reachan educated conclusion.5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, learning andimagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a lovingrelationship with father.Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i remember hischart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of father, and 2ndhouse of family.Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his father wasalso a learned and well reputed in society.Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th whichshould denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given similar chart.Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she has tosupport his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and venus is placedin 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun is alsothere, father still has enough land and other immovable property but injoint possession with his brothers.Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 PM, he is asaggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly earns someRs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we getstraightforward explanation regarding father, we have also examined 9'thas expenses, service and duty towards father.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,>> The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so it isdifficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord exchanging placesleading to bond between the jataka and father, even assuming, but notadmitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.>> Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the 10th lord, soits good placement and the father being powerful can not prove that 10thbhava is for father.>> But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with thoseparameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show that 10th isthe bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet it isnot the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is also inthe 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his father was verypowerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi that Nehrugot close to him and then became primeminister is common knowledge. Youmay like to think about this too.>>> Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> -> litsol> Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -10'th/9'th : Last effort>>> Dear Sir,>> Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing, closing> my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will not> help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.>> I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the father in> this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup from> 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.>> Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment with MP> Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this> factor.>> Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells> Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 planets are> togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the> significations of the concerned house rather they have become more> inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :>> 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in 11'th and his> focus is on earning more and more.>> 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, She is> exceptionaly profession minded.>> 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu> and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory for> his family members, still, working as President of His group of> companies.>> 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for tomorrow's> India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and> he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's sickness> has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's case> also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's health> and expenses on father.>> regards,> Lalit.>> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > Since you think you have already established that 10th is for> father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than yours.> So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going to 6th> does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in mutual> square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for father> and are free to take your own view of the matter.> >> > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is> formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter on> Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in> strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all three> grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the grahas are> indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> >> > -> > litsol> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's House -> 10'th/9'th : Last effort> >> >> >> > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> >> > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> >> > Lagna : Scorpio,> > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars (lagna> lord) + Rahu> >> > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to> 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she shares a> special bond with her father , why ?> >> > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of> father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th house of> love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a special bond> of love.> >> > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and Rahu,> There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her life> is her profession and her father.> >> > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has a> clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th and> 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> >> > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, which> is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.> >> > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father and> 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house and> Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear on my> findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the needs> of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream of> management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. I got> clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir auther's> have done good work.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu> <mechumla@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > >> > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a> house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has only 4> planets in 10th.> > >> > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the> girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my naive> understanding.> > >> > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > >> > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent> father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house.> Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My ninth> house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > >> > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the best> of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to> literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living with> him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of time> cumulative.> > >> > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away from> home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly speak> with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.> > >> > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did argue> with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says I> interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Neenu> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > >> > > > litsol litsol@> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She> > > > has not> > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her> > > > life revolves> > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > > > personal life.> > > >> > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it> > > > always.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > > > pravrajya related to> > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > > > >> > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will> > > > give results> > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired> > > > knowledge or> > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a> > > > chart without> > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to> > > > wrong> > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.> > > > >> > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only> > > > the 10th lord> > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions> > > > about whether> > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > > > father, here ,> > > > may not be very logical.> > > > >> > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > > mother so it is mother> > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied> > > > by Ketu> > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though> > > > Jupiter also> > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > there is> > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > > > -> > > > >> > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > > kind of father it> > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > > > relationship> > > > with> > > > > father.> > > > >> > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > > kind of father it> > > > indicates,> > > > > his position and status in society and relationship> > > > with father,> > > > If I m> > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > > though, an afflicted and> > > > very> > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > > > company of - Sat,> > > > Rahu> > > > > and mars.> > > > >> > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > > > this case ?> > > > >> > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > of> > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > > > luckily we have> > > > a> > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > > > him in his hour> > > > of need?> > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > yet to> > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th> > > > debate?> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > Potential> > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > > ur's company.> > > > > >> > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> > > > to> > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > > > that u analyzed> > > > some 4> > > > > > months back.> > > > > >> > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > >> > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > > > her marriage but> > > > not> > > > > > left her job.> > > > > >> > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > > native> > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > > > given to it.> > > > > >> > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > > confusion over both> > > > nature of> > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > yoga> > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > > > in her chart and> > > > she did> > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > left> > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > > > her birth. Plus> > > > her> > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > > > planets to give> > > > any> > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > > > case of the> > > > jataka> > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > > > also the node and> > > > that> > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > through.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > > to look at the 10th> > > > as> > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > > > to predict right> > > > with> > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > To:> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > > Two Potential> > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > Perfection> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > lord> > > > > > are> > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > being a> > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > of> > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > turn> > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > heart> > > > > > and> > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > also> > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > > direction, he should do> > > > every> > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > one and> > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem> > > > krishnan> > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > > issues of attending to> > > > > > father> > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> > > > will be taking care of> > > > his> > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > > > consider to attend> > > > to> > > > > > his> > > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > > > Sriram going to> > > > forest> > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > > likely that during the> > > > > > antar> > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > > > take to the> > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > Re:> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > To:> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > one> > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > > > principles given by> > > > the> > > > > > same> > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > > attending to father would> > > > be> > > > > > more> > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > does> > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > Perfection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > > in groups is to open> > > > new> > > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > developed in last few> > > > centuries> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > we> > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > > there in.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > aling@> > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > raising> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > three> > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > his> > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > > his mind about the> > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > > tribulations in the> > > > first> > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > > his preparedness to> > > > assume> > > > > > > nation> > > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > has> > > > > > no> > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > recognition and status in life> > > > > > like> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > > giving up father or> > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > > > Lagna would give the> > > > temper,> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > > locate that would> > > > indicate> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > course> > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > > of this country could> > > > > > help> > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > > own duties properly> > > > > > without> > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > > for him.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > suddenly,> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > they> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > asked> > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > keeping> > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > > a transformation in his> > > > > > post> > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > met> > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > > indicates, he is very> > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > > to speak for the> > > > truth,> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > goes> > > > > > like> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > > etc"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > >> >>

October 3, 2008

Dear Sir,

I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun combination

gives accurate information about father, when i talk about 10'th,

aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in that, I

never excluded " Aspects effect " on 10'th.

I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience, you gave

Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like Amitabh's

and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific aspects, where

is doubt on that ?

It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will welcome

more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks 10'th doesnt

denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by Parashara

and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in south

india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other classics.

regards,

Lalit

should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when in

earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that

showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes to the 3rd

why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project that

9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9 this to

be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do not

think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant with

father.

>

> It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the house for

father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much results.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -

10'th/9'th : Last effort

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more cases

to reach

> an educated conclusion.

>

> 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, learning and

> imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a loving

> relationship with father.

>

> Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i remember

his

> chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of father,

and 2nd

> house of family.

>

> Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his father was

> also a learned and well reputed in society.

>

> Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th which

> should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given similar

chart.

>

> Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she has to

> support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and venus is

placed

> in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun is also

> there, father still has enough land and other immovable property

but in

> joint possession with his brothers.

>

> Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 PM, he

is a

> saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly earns

some

> Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.

>

> Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.

>

> Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get

> straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also

examined 9'th

> as expenses, service and duty towards father.

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so it is

> difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord exchanging

places

> leading to bond between the jataka and father, even assuming, but

not

> admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.

> >

> > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the 10th

lord, so

> its good placement and the father being powerful can not prove

that 10th

> bhava is for father.

> >

> > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with those

> parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show that

10th is

> the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet

it is

> not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is

also in

> the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his father

was very

> powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi that

Nehru

> got close to him and then became primeminister is common

knowledge. You

> may like to think about this too.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

House -

> 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing,

closing

> > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will

not

> > help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.

> >

> > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the

father in

> > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup

from

> > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.

> >

> > Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment

with MP

> > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this

> > factor.

> >

> > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells

> > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5

planets are

> > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the

> > significations of the concerned house rather they have become

more

> > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :

> >

> > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in 11'th

and his

> > focus is on earning more and more.

> >

> > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, She

is

> > exceptionaly profession minded.

> >

> > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has

Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu

> > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory

for

> > his family members, still, working as President of His group of

> > companies.

> >

> > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for

tomorrow's

> > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has

Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and

> > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's

sickness

> > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's

case

> > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's

health

> > and expenses on father.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Since you think you have already established that 10th is for

> > father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than

yours.

> > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going

to 6th

> > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in

mutual

> > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for

father

> > and are free to take your own view of the matter.

> > >

> > > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is

> > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter

on

> > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in

> > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all

three

> > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the

grahas are

> > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's House -

> > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > >

> > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > >

> > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :

> > >

> > > Lagna : Scorpio,

> > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius

> > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)

> > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)

> > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars

(lagna

> > lord) + Rahu

> > >

> > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to

> > 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she

shares a

> > special bond with her father , why ?

> > >

> > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of

> > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th

house of

> > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a

special bond

> > of love.

> > >

> > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and

Rahu,

> > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her

life

> > is her profession and her father.

> > >

> > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has

a

> > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th

and

> > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.

> > >

> > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house,

which

> > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.

> > >

> > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father

and

> > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house

and

> > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear

on my

> > findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the

needs

> > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream

of

> > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin.

I got

> > clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir

auther's

> > have done good work.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu

> > <mechumla@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a

> > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has

only 4

> > planets in 10th.

> > > >

> > > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the

> > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my

naive

> > understanding.

> > > >

> > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.

> > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu

> > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury

> > > > 8 th house gemini with venus

> > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra

> > > >

> > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent

> > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house.

> > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My

ninth

> > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.

> > > >

> > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the

best

> > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to

> > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living

with

> > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of

time

> > cumulative.

> > > >

> > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away

from

> > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly

speak

> > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.

> > > >

> > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did

argue

> > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says

I

> > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Neenu

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > litsol litsol@

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She

> > > > > has not

> > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her

> > > > > life revolves

> > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her

> > > > > personal life.

> > > > >

> > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it

> > > > > always.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about

> > > > > pravrajya related to

> > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will

> > > > > give results

> > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired

> > > > > knowledge or

> > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a

> > > > > chart without

> > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to

> > > > > wrong

> > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or

other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only

> > > > > the 10th lord

> > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions

> > > > > about whether

> > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for

> > > > > father, here ,

> > > > > may not be very logical.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's

> > > > > mother so it is mother

> > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied

> > > > > by Ketu

> > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though

> > > > > Jupiter also

> > > > > aspects the 4th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > > Potential Horoscopes

> > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and

> > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

> > > > > there is

> > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know

> > > > > -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what

> > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and

> > > > > relationship

> > > > > with

> > > > > > father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what

> > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > indicates,

> > > > > > his position and status in society and relationship

> > > > > with father,

> > > > > If I m

> > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,

> > > > > though, an afflicted and

> > > > > very

> > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in

> > > > > company of - Sat,

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > and mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in

> > > > > this case ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,

> > > > > sometimes, in lack

> > > > > of

> > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but

> > > > > luckily we have

> > > > > a

> > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake

> > > > > him in his hour

> > > > > of need?

> > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,

> > > > > Rahu, Saturn are

> > > > > yet to

> > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th

> > > > > debate?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > > Potential

> > > > > Horoscopes Worth

> > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so

> > > > > nice, this is one

> > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in

> > > > > ur's company.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and

> > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope

> > > > > that u analyzed

> > > > > some 4

> > > > > > > months back.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M

> > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna

> > > > > is scorpio, but she

> > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken

> > > > > her marriage but

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > left her job.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for

> > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a

> > > > > native

> > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions

> > > > > given to it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the

> > > > > confusion over both

> > > > > nature of

> > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives

> > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with

> > > > > sacrifice for

> > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga

> > > > > in her chart and

> > > > > she did

> > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's

> > > > > sake. Actually she was

> > > > > left

> > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after

> > > > > her birth. Plus

> > > > > her

> > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other

> > > > > planets to give

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the

> > > > > case of the

> > > > > jataka

> > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and

> > > > > also the node and

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > does not allow the results of

> > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> > > > > > > through.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition

> > > > > to look at the 10th

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able

> > > > > to predict right

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > > > Two Potential

> > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -

> > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house

> > > > > of duties, sacrifies,

> > > > > > > kindness

> > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties

> > > > > towards father(10'th

> > > > > > > lord, )he

> > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th

> > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > > > > > > 10'th, we

> > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his

> > > > > duties he can leave

> > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very

> > > > > basic elligibility for

> > > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that

> > > > > lagna and 4'th lord

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed

> > > > > in 9'th and which in

> > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is

> > > > > 3'rd lord of

> > > > > > > initiatives

> > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and

> > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of

> > > > > heart

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of

> > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper

> > > > > direction, he should do

> > > > > every

> > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,

> > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is

> > > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both

> > > > > issues of attending to

> > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th

> > > > > to 5th.

> > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native

> > > > > will be taking care of

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to

> > > > > consider to attend

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > father as more important leading to

> > > > > sacrifice of his own

> > > > > > > future.In

> > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord

> > > > > Sriram going to

> > > > > forest

> > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is

> > > > > likely that during the

> > > > > > > antar

> > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to

> > > > > take to the

> > > > > recourse.

> > > > > > > > > vrkishnan

> > > > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > Re:

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,

> > > > > 2:24 PM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the

> > > > > possibilities. However

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to

> > > > > prove some sage wrong

> > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the

> > > > > principles given by

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by

> > > > > ourselves.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and

> > > > > attending to father would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.

> > > > > 9th bhava after all

> > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so

> > > > > he did give up the

> > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the

> > > > > Pravrajya did produce the

> > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will

> > > > > tell when he may take

> > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course

> > > > > my comments are only

> > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know

> > > > > anything about the person.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008

> > > > > 9:31 AM

> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]

> > > > > Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing

> > > > > his MBA that he left

> > > > > > > halfway

> > > > > > > > > because he was required at home

> > > > > during father's ailment.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things

> > > > > in groups is to open

> > > > > new

> > > > > > > > avenues

> > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we

> > > > > developed in last few

> > > > > centuries

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to

> > > > > clssics and some other time

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated

> > > > > there in.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > aling@

> > > > > > > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga

> > > > > in 9th allow him to be

> > > > > > > steady in

> > > > > > > > > his duties?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,

> > > > > 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in

> > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5

> > > > > more planets.The sign

> > > > > > > raising

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign

> > > > > fiery in nature.All these

> > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of

> > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from

> > > > > the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up

> > > > > his mind about the

> > > > > > > girl.The

> > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and

> > > > > tribulations in the

> > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably

> > > > > his preparedness to

> > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > nation

> > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.

> > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9

> > > > > houses of airy signs,again

> > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns

> > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in

> > > > > 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the

> > > > > cases only suggests that the

> > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for

> > > > > struggles to fulfil his

> > > > > > > > ideals.where

> > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some

> > > > > recognition and status in life

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > other above average person

> > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart

> > > > > have to support for the

> > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.

> > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,

> > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see

> > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either

> > > > > giving up father or

> > > > > > > duties.

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are

> > > > > diluted by Rahu being

> > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the

> > > > > Lagna would give the

> > > > > temper,

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could

> > > > > locate that would

> > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material

> > > > > for building India. Of

> > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen

> > > > > of this country could

> > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his

> > > > > own duties properly

> > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them

> > > > > for him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th

> > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one

> > > > > am not very certain if

> > > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > nation building material.

> > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong

> > > > > having missed something that

> > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008

> > > > > 10:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and

> > > > > Other Elders,

> > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential

> > > > > horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building

> > > > > tomorrow's India,

> > > > > suddenly,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good

> > > > > guys who can be shaped,

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they

> > > > > have courage and will to

> > > > > > > fight

> > > > > > > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,

> > > > > very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger

> > > > > brogther, right now he has no

> > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from

> > > > > this guy. Well, as per

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per

> > > > > his query and desire, I

> > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that

> > > > > before Nov 2008,

> > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > Guru's

> > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,

> > > > > a transformation in his

> > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -

> > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can

> > > > > verify if Exalted and

> > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like

> > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > > > > > > met

> > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart

> > > > > indicates, he is very

> > > > > > > handsom ,

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage

> > > > > to speak for the

> > > > > truth,

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for

> > > > > the society -

> > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in

> > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.

> > > > > The vimshottari Period

> > > > > goes

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006

> > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of

> > > > > the family, compulsation

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress

> > > > > etc "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06

> > > > > January 1979

> > > > > > > > > 05:28:00

> > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,

> > > > > > > > > > Country : India

> > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76

> > > > > 6 E

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 3, 2008

Dear Lalit,

When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and the people under discussions are successful. So why should that show 10th to be the house for father?

That is why I thought no further progress can be made if you have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and 10th represents father.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

Dear Sir,I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun combination gives accurate information about father, when i talk about 10'th, aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in that, I never excluded "Aspects effect" on 10'th.I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience, you gave Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like Amitabh's and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific aspects, where is doubt on that ?It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will welcome more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks 10'th doesnt denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by Parashara and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in south india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other classics.regards,Lalitshould be pls. do not question my understandings of basicsVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when in earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes to the 3rd why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project that 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9 this to be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do not think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant with father. > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the house for father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much results.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > Dear Sir,> > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more cases to reach> an educated conclusion.> > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, learning and> imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a loving> relationship with father.> > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i remember his> chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of father, and 2nd> house of family.> > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his father was> also a learned and well reputed in society.> > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th which> should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given similar chart.> > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she has to> support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and venus is placed> in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun is also> there, father still has enough land and other immovable property but in> joint possession with his brothers.> > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 PM, he is a> saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly earns some> Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.> > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.> > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get> straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also examined 9'th> as expenses, service and duty towards father.> > regards,> Lalit> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so it is> difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord exchanging places> leading to bond between the jataka and father, even assuming, but not> admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.> >> > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the 10th lord, so> its good placement and the father being powerful can not prove that 10th> bhava is for father.> >> > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with those> parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show that 10th is> the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet it is> not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is also in> the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his father was very> powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi that Nehru> got close to him and then became primeminister is common knowledge. You> may like to think about this too.> >> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > -> > litsol> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -> 10'th/9'th : Last effort> >> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing, closing> > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will not> > help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.> >> > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the father in> > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup from> > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.> >> > Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment with MP> > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this> > factor.> >> > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells> > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 planets are> > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the> > significations of the concerned house rather they have become more> > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :> >> > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in 11'th and his> > focus is on earning more and more.> >> > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, She is> > exceptionaly profession minded.> >> > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu> > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory for> > his family members, still, working as President of His group of> > companies.> >> > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for tomorrow's> > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and> > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's sickness> > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's case> > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's health> > and expenses on father.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > Since you think you have already established that 10th is for> > father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than yours.> > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going to 6th> > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in mutual> > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for father> > and are free to take your own view of the matter.> > >> > > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is> > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter on> > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in> > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all three> > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the grahas are> > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > >> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's House -> > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > >> > >> > >> > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> > >> > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> > >> > > Lagna : Scorpio,> > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars (lagna> > lord) + Rahu> > >> > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to> > 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she shares a> > special bond with her father , why ?> > >> > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of> > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th house of> > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a special bond> > of love.> > >> > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and Rahu,> > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her life> > is her profession and her father.> > >> > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has a> > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th and> > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> > >> > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, which> > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.> > >> > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father and> > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house and> > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear on my> > findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the needs> > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream of> > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. I got> > clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir auther's> > have done good work.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu> > <mechumla@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > > >> > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a> > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has only 4> > planets in 10th.> > > >> > > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the> > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my naive> > understanding.> > > >> > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > > >> > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent> > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house.> > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My ninth> > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > > >> > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the best> > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to> > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living with> > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of time> > cumulative.> > > >> > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away from> > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly speak> > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.> > > >> > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did argue> > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says I> > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Neenu> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > litsol litsol@> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She> > > > > has not> > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her> > > > > life revolves> > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > > > > personal life.> > > > >> > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it> > > > > always.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > > > > pravrajya related to> > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > > > > >> > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will> > > > > give results> > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired> > > > > knowledge or> > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a> > > > > chart without> > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to> > > > > wrong> > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or other.> > > > > >> > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only> > > > > the 10th lord> > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions> > > > > about whether> > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > > > > father, here ,> > > > > may not be very logical.> > > > > >> > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > > > mother so it is mother> > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied> > > > > by Ketu> > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though> > > > > Jupiter also> > > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > > there is> > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > > > > -> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > > > > relationship> > > > > with> > > > > > father.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > > > kind of father it> > > > > indicates,> > > > > > his position and status in society and relationship> > > > > with father,> > > > > If I m> > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > > > though, an afflicted and> > > > > very> > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > > > > company of - Sat,> > > > > Rahu> > > > > > and mars.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > > > > this case ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > > of> > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > > > > luckily we have> > > > > a> > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > > > > him in his hour> > > > > of need?> > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> > > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > > yet to> > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th> > > > > debate?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > Potential> > > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > > > ur's company.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> > > > > to> > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > > > > that u analyzed> > > > > some 4> > > > > > > months back.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > > > > her marriage but> > > > > not> > > > > > > left her job.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > > > native> > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > > > > given to it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > > > confusion over both> > > > > nature of> > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > > yoga> > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > > > > in her chart and> > > > > she did> > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > > left> > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > > > > her birth. Plus> > > > > her> > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > > > > planets to give> > > > > any> > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > > > > case of the> > > > > jataka> > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > > > > also the node and> > > > > that> > > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > > through.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > > > to look at the 10th> > > > > as> > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > > > > to predict right> > > > > with> > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > To:> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > > > Two Potential> > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > > lord> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > > being a> > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > > of> > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > > heart> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > > also> > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > > > direction, he should do> > > > > every> > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > > one and> > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem> > > > > krishnan> > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > > > issues of attending to> > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> > > > > will be taking care of> > > > > his> > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > > > > consider to attend> > > > > to> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > > > > Sriram going to> > > > > forest> > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > > > likely that during the> > > > > > > antar> > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > > > > take to the> > > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > Re:> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > > > > principles given by> > > > > the> > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > > > attending to father would> > > > > be> > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> > > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > > > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > > > in groups is to open> > > > > new> > > > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > > developed in last few> > > > > centuries> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > > > there in.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > aling@> > > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > > raising> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > > his> > > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > > > his mind about the> > > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > > > tribulations in the> > > > > first> > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > > > his preparedness to> > > > > assume> > > > > > > > nation> > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > > has> > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > > recognition and status in life> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > > > giving up father or> > > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > > > > Lagna would give the> > > > > temper,> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > > > locate that would> > > > > indicate> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > > > of this country could> > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > > > own duties properly> > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > > > for him.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > > suddenly,> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > > asked> > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > > keeping> > > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > > > a transformation in his> > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > > met> > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > > > indicates, he is very> > > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > > > to speak for the> > > > > truth,> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > > goes> > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > > > etc"> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 4, 2008

Dear Sir,

Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls. do not divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this mail, I have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a wrong dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri K.N Rao what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show courage and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach, this is in their favor only, Let's discuss -

Lagna : Cancer with Moon2nd H : Leo with Sat3rd : Virgo with Mars4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus 5'th : Scorpio with Sun6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup 12'th : Gemini with Rahu

Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord Jup is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars aspects 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great differences to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know one's ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting reason, he happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house shows Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently overlooked mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status and palace, this is mockery of astrology.

Now,

Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status and height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific aspects, aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is significant that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.

Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father, Sun the karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar, placement that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.

Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house of the horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there, Motilal Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running Venus/Merc dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when one is based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N Rao too overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th being 4th from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings in their theory, such an acceptance will take them to the true cause, near the truth ?

Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an old area of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house, 2nd lord Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio the sign of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of family, but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self efforts and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress and getting more property is certain by his own efforts.

Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how many truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this chart taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like Sri K.N Rao.

I have already given u the list of the classics which says 10'th is the father's house, pls do not divert.

regards,Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and the people under discussions are successful. So why should that show 10th to be the house for father?> > That is why I thought no further progress can be made if you have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and 10th represents father.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > Dear Sir,> > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun combination > gives accurate information about father, when i talk about 10'th, > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in that, I > never excluded "Aspects effect" on 10'th.> > I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience, you gave > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like Amitabh's > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific aspects, where > is doubt on that ?> > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will welcome > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks 10'th doesnt > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by Parashara > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in south > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other classics.> > regards,> Lalit> > should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when in > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes to the 3rd > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project that > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9 this to > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do not > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant with > father. > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the house for > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much results.> > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more cases > to reach> > an educated conclusion.> > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, learning and> > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a loving> > relationship with father.> > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i remember > his> > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of father, > and 2nd> > house of family.> > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his father was> > also a learned and well reputed in society.> > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th which> > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given similar > chart.> > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she has to> > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and venus is > placed> > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun is also> > there, father still has enough land and other immovable property > but in> > joint possession with his brothers.> > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 PM, he > is a> > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly earns > some> > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.> > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.> > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get> > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also > examined 9'th> > as expenses, service and duty towards father.> > > > regards,> > Lalit> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so it is> > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord exchanging > places> > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even assuming, but > not> > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.> > >> > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the 10th > lord, so> > its good placement and the father being powerful can not prove > that 10th> > bhava is for father.> > >> > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with those> > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show that > 10th is> > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet > it is> > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is > also in> > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his father > was very> > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi that > Nehru> > got close to him and then became primeminister is common > knowledge. You> > may like to think about this too.> > >> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > House -> > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > >> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > >> > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing, > closing> > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will > not> > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.> > >> > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the > father in> > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup > from> > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.> > >> > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment > with MP> > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this> > > factor.> > >> > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells> > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 > planets are> > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the> > > significations of the concerned house rather they have become > more> > > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :> > >> > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in 11'th > and his> > > focus is on earning more and more.> > >> > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, She > is> > > exceptionaly profession minded.> > >> > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu> > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory > for> > > his family members, still, working as President of His group of> > > companies.> > >> > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for > tomorrow's> > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and> > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's > sickness> > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's > case> > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's > health> > > and expenses on father.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > Since you think you have already established that 10th is for> > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than > yours.> > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going > to 6th> > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in > mutual> > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for > father> > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.> > > >> > > > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is> > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter > on> > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in> > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all > three> > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the > grahas are> > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's House -> > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > >> > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> > > >> > > > Lagna : Scorpio,> > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars > (lagna> > > lord) + Rahu> > > >> > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to> > > 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she > shares a> > > special bond with her father , why ?> > > >> > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of> > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th > house of> > > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a > special bond> > > of love.> > > >> > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and > Rahu,> > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her > life> > > is her profession and her father.> > > >> > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has > a> > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th > and> > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> > > >> > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, > which> > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.> > > >> > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father > and> > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house > and> > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear > on my> > > findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the > needs> > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream > of> > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. > I got> > > clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir > auther's> > > have done good work.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu> > > <mechumla@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a> > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has > only 4> > > planets in 10th.> > > > >> > > > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the> > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my > naive> > > understanding.> > > > >> > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > > > >> > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent> > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house.> > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My > ninth> > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > > > >> > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the > best> > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to> > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living > with> > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of > time> > > cumulative.> > > > >> > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away > from> > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly > speak> > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.> > > > >> > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did > argue> > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says > I> > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Neenu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > litsol litsol@> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She> > > > > > has not> > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her> > > > > > life revolves> > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > > > > > personal life.> > > > > >> > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it> > > > > > always.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > > > > > pravrajya related to> > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will> > > > > > give results> > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired> > > > > > knowledge or> > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a> > > > > > chart without> > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to> > > > > > wrong> > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or > other.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only> > > > > > the 10th lord> > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions> > > > > > about whether> > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > > > > > father, here ,> > > > > > may not be very logical.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > > > > mother so it is mother> > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied> > > > > > by Ketu> > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though> > > > > > Jupiter also> > > > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > > > there is> > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > > > > > -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > > > > > relationship> > > > > > with> > > > > > > father.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > indicates,> > > > > > > his position and status in society and relationship> > > > > > with father,> > > > > > If I m> > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > > > > though, an afflicted and> > > > > > very> > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > > > > > company of - Sat,> > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > and mars.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > > > > > this case ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > > > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > > > of> > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > > > > > luckily we have> > > > > > a> > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > > > > > him in his hour> > > > > > of need?> > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > > > yet to> > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th> > > > > > debate?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > > > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > > > > ur's company.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > > > > > that u analyzed> > > > > > some 4> > > > > > > > months back.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > > > > > her marriage but> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > left her job.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > > > > native> > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > > > > > given to it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > > > > confusion over both> > > > > > nature of> > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > > > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > > > > > in her chart and> > > > > > she did> > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > > > left> > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > > > > > her birth. Plus> > > > > > her> > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > > > > > planets to give> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > > > > > case of the> > > > > > jataka> > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > > > > > also the node and> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > > > through.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > > > > to look at the 10th> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > > > > > to predict right> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > > > > Two Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > > > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > > > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > > > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > > > heart> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > > > > direction, he should do> > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > > > one and> > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem> > > > > > krishnan> > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > > > > issues of attending to> > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > > > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> > > > > > will be taking care of> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > > > > > consider to attend> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > > > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > > > > > Sriram going to> > > > > > forest> > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > > > > likely that during the> > > > > > > > antar> > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > > > > > take to the> > > > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > Re:> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > > > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > > > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > > > > > principles given by> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > > > > attending to father would> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > > > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> > > > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > > > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > > > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > > > > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > > > > in groups is to open> > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > > > developed in last few> > > > > > centuries> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > > > > there in.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > aling@> > > > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > > > raising> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > > > > his mind about the> > > > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > > > > tribulations in the> > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > > > > his preparedness to> > > > > > assume> > > > > > > > > nation> > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > > > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > > > recognition and status in life> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > > > > giving up father or> > > > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > > > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > > > > > Lagna would give the> > > > > > temper,> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > > > > locate that would> > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > > > > of this country could> > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > > > > own duties properly> > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > > > > for him.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > > > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > > > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > > > suddenly,> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > > > asked> > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > > > keeping> > > > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > > > > a transformation in his> > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > > > met> > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > > > > indicates, he is very> > > > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > > > > to speak for the> > > > > > truth,> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > > > > etc"> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 4, 2008

Dear Lalit,

It appears that you want everybody accept your premise that 10th is the house of father. If you think I am diverting, because I point to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your opinion.

I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which one you are talking about.

Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth, as perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.

Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is nothing further to discuss.

However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from 10th should show the house of father. Is this some other daylight truth that other astrologers are not able to see?

Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it is you who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have preferred to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father and the love between them.

Chandrashekhar

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litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

Dear Sir,

Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls. do not divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this mail, I have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a wrong dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri K.N Rao what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show courage and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach, this is in their favor only, Let's discuss -

Lagna : Cancer with Moon2nd H : Leo with Sat3rd : Virgo with Mars4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus 5'th : Scorpio with Sun6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup 12'th : Gemini with Rahu

Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord Jup is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars aspects 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great differences to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know one's ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting reason, he happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house shows Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently overlooked mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status and palace, this is mockery of astrology.

Now,

Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status and height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific aspects, aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is significant that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.

Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father, Sun the karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar, placement that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.

Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house of the horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there, Motilal Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running Venus/Merc dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when one is based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N Rao too overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th being 4th from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings in their theory, such an acceptance will take them to the true cause, near the truth ?

Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an old area of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house, 2nd lord Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio the sign of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of family, but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self efforts and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress and getting more property is certain by his own efforts.

Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how many truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this chart taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like Sri K.N Rao.

I have already given u the list of the classics which says 10'th is the father's house, pls do not divert.

regards,Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and the people under discussions are successful. So why should that show 10th to be the house for father?> > That is why I thought no further progress can be made if you have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and 10th represents father.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > Dear Sir,> > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun combination > gives accurate information about father, when i talk about 10'th, > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in that, I > never excluded "Aspects effect" on 10'th.> > I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience, you gave > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like Amitabh's > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific aspects, where > is doubt on that ?> > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will welcome > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks 10'th doesnt > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by Parashara > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in south > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other classics.> > regards,> Lalit> > should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when in > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes to the 3rd > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project that > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9 this to > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do not > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant with > father. > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the house for > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much results.> > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more cases > to reach> > an educated conclusion.> > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, learning and> > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a loving> > relationship with father.> > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i remember > his> > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of father, > and 2nd> > house of family.> > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his father was> > also a learned and well reputed in society.> > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th which> > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given similar > chart.> > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she has to> > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and venus is > placed> > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun is also> > there, father still has enough land and other immovable property > but in> > joint possession with his brothers.> > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 PM, he > is a> > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly earns > some> > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.> > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.> > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get> > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also > examined 9'th> > as expenses, service and duty towards father.> > > > regards,> > Lalit> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so it is> > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord exchanging > places> > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even assuming, but > not> > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.> > >> > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the 10th > lord, so> > its good placement and the father being powerful can not prove > that 10th> > bhava is for father.> > >> > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with those> > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show that > 10th is> > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet > it is> > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is > also in> > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his father > was very> > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi that > Nehru> > got close to him and then became primeminister is common > knowledge. You> > may like to think about this too.> > >> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > House -> > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > >> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > >> > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing, > closing> > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will > not> > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.> > >> > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the > father in> > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup > from> > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.> > >> > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment > with MP> > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this> > > factor.> > >> > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells> > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 > planets are> > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the> > > significations of the concerned house rather they have become > more> > > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :> > >> > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in 11'th > and his> > > focus is on earning more and more.> > >> > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, She > is> > > exceptionaly profession minded.> > >> > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu> > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory > for> > > his family members, still, working as President of His group of> > > companies.> > >> > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for > tomorrow's> > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and> > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's > sickness> > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's > case> > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's > health> > > and expenses on father.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > Since you think you have already established that 10th is for> > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than > yours.> > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going > to 6th> > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in > mutual> > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for > father> > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.> > > >> > > > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is> > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter > on> > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in> > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all > three> > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the > grahas are> > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's House -> > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > >> > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> > > >> > > > Lagna : Scorpio,> > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars > (lagna> > > lord) + Rahu> > > >> > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to> > > 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she > shares a> > > special bond with her father , why ?> > > >> > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of> > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th > house of> > > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a > special bond> > > of love.> > > >> > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and > Rahu,> > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her > life> > > is her profession and her father.> > > >> > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has > a> > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th > and> > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> > > >> > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, > which> > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.> > > >> > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father > and> > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house > and> > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear > on my> > > findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the > needs> > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream > of> > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. > I got> > > clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir > auther's> > > have done good work.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu> > > <mechumla@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a> > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has > only 4> > > planets in 10th.> > > > >> > > > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the> > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my > naive> > > understanding.> > > > >> > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > > > >> > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent> > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house.> > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My > ninth> > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > > > >> > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the > best> > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to> > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living > with> > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of > time> > > cumulative.> > > > >> > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away > from> > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly > speak> > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.> > > > >> > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did > argue> > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says > I> > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Neenu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > litsol litsol@> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She> > > > > > has not> > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her> > > > > > life revolves> > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > > > > > personal life.> > > > > >> > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it> > > > > > always.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > > > > > pravrajya related to> > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will> > > > > > give results> > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired> > > > > > knowledge or> > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a> > > > > > chart without> > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to> > > > > > wrong> > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or > other.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only> > > > > > the 10th lord> > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions> > > > > > about whether> > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > > > > > father, here ,> > > > > > may not be very logical.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > > > > mother so it is mother> > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied> > > > > > by Ketu> > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though> > > > > > Jupiter also> > > > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > > > there is> > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > > > > > -> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > > > > > relationship> > > > > > with> > > > > > > father.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > indicates,> > > > > > > his position and status in society and relationship> > > > > > with father,> > > > > > If I m> > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > > > > though, an afflicted and> > > > > > very> > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > > > > > company of - Sat,> > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > and mars.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > > > > > this case ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > > > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > > > of> > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > > > > > luckily we have> > > > > > a> > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > > > > > him in his hour> > > > > > of need?> > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > > > yet to> > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th> > > > > > debate?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > > > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > > > > ur's company.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > > > > > that u analyzed> > > > > > some 4> > > > > > > > months back.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > > > > > her marriage but> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > left her job.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > > > > native> > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > > > > > given to it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > > > > confusion over both> > > > > > nature of> > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > > > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > > > > > in her chart and> > > > > > she did> > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > > > left> > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > > > > > her birth. Plus> > > > > > her> > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > > > > > planets to give> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > > > > > case of the> > > > > > jataka> > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > > > > > also the node and> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > > > through.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > > > > to look at the 10th> > > > > > as> > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > > > > > to predict right> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > > > > Two Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > > > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > > > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > > > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > > > heart> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > > > > direction, he should do> > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > > > one and> > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem> > > > > > krishnan> > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > > > > issues of attending to> > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > > > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> > > > > > will be taking care of> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > > > > > consider to attend> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > > > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > > > > > Sriram going to> > > > > > forest> > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > > > > likely that during the> > > > > > > > antar> > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > > > > > take to the> > > > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > Re:> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > > > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > > > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > > > > > principles given by> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > > > > attending to father would> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > > > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> > > > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > > > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > > > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > > > > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > > > > in groups is to open> > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > > > developed in last few> > > > > > centuries> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > > > > there in.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > aling@> > > > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > > > raising> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > > > > his mind about the> > > > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > > > > tribulations in the> > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > > > > his preparedness to> > > > > > assume> > > > > > > > > nation> > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > > > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > > > recognition and status in life> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > > > > giving up father or> > > > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > > > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > > > > > Lagna would give the> > > > > > temper,> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > > > > locate that would> > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > > > > of this country could> > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > > > > own duties properly> > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > > > > for him.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > > > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > > > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > > > suddenly,> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > > > asked> > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > > > keeping> > > > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > > > > a transformation in his> > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > > > met> > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > > > > indicates, he is very> > > > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > > > > to speak for the> > > > > > truth,> > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > > > > etc"> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 5, 2008

Dear Sir,

Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th has too, along

with work and fame, it signifies father.

I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.

I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques in Astrological

Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his research team, mostly

they are saying same thing that we discussed many times in group,

but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu in 11'th and

3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works differently than the

dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost saying, coming very

near the reality.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> It appears that you want everybody accept your premise that 10th

is the house of father. If you think I am diverting, because I point

to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your opinion.

>

> I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which one you are

talking about.

>

> Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth, as

perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.

>

> Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is nothing

further to discuss.

>

> However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from 10th

should show the house of father. Is this some other daylight truth

that other astrologers are not able to see?

>

> Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it is you

who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have preferred

to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father and the

love between them.

>

> Chandrashekhar

>

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -

10'th/9'th : Last effort

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the

group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls. do not

divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this mail, I

have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a wrong

dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri K.N Rao

what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show courage

and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach, this is

in their favor only, Let's discuss -

>

> Lagna : Cancer with Moon

> 2nd H : Leo with Sat

> 3rd : Virgo with Mars

> 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus

> 5'th : Scorpio with Sun

> 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup

> 12'th : Gemini with Rahu

>

> Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord Jup

is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars aspects

9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great differences

to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know one's

ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting reason, he

happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house shows

Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently overlooked

mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status and

palace, this is mockery of astrology.

>

> Now,

>

> Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status and

height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific aspects,

aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is significant

that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.

>

> Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father, Sun the

karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar, placement

that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.

>

> Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house of the

horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there, Motilal

Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running Venus/Merc

dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when one is

based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N Rao too

overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th being 4th

from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings in their

theory, such an acceptance will take them to the true cause, near

the truth ?

>

> Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an old area

of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house, 2nd lord

Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio the sign

of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of family,

but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self efforts

and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress and

getting more property is certain by his own efforts.

>

> Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how many

truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this chart

taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like Sri K.N Rao.

>

> I have already given u the list of the classics which says 10'th

is the father's house, pls do not divert.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a

strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and the

people under discussions are successful. So why should that show

10th to be the house for father?

> >

> > That is why I thought no further progress can be made if you

have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and 10th

represents father.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun

combination

> > gives accurate information about father, when i talk about

10'th,

> > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in that,

I

> > never excluded " Aspects effect " on 10'th.

> >

> > I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience, you

gave

> > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like

Amitabh's

> > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific

aspects, where

> > is doubt on that ?

> >

> > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will

welcome

> > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks 10'th

doesnt

> > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by

Parashara

> > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in

south

> > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other classics.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit

> >

> > should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics

> >

> > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when

in

> > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that

> > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes to

the 3rd

> > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project

that

> > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9

this to

> > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do

not

> > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant

with

> > father.

> > >

> > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the

house for

> > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much

results.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

House -

> > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more

cases

> > to reach

> > > an educated conclusion.

> > >

> > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection,

learning and

> > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a

loving

> > > relationship with father.

> > >

> > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i

remember

> > his

> > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of

father,

> > and 2nd

> > > house of family.

> > >

> > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his

father was

> > > also a learned and well reputed in society.

> > >

> > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th

which

> > > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given

similar

> > chart.

> > >

> > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she

has to

> > > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and

venus is

> > placed

> > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun

is also

> > > there, father still has enough land and other immovable

property

> > but in

> > > joint possession with his brothers.

> > >

> > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57

PM, he

> > is a

> > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly

earns

> > some

> > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.

> > >

> > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.

> > >

> > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get

> > > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also

> > examined 9'th

> > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit

> > >

> > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so

it is

> > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord

exchanging

> > places

> > > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even

assuming, but

> > not

> > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.

> > > >

> > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the

10th

> > lord, so

> > > its good placement and the father being powerful can not

prove

> > that 10th

> > > bhava is for father.

> > > >

> > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with

those

> > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show

that

> > 10th is

> > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th

and yet

> > it is

> > > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord

is

> > also in

> > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his

father

> > was very

> > > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi

that

> > Nehru

> > > got close to him and then became primeminister is common

> > knowledge. You

> > > may like to think about this too.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

> > House -

> > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every

thing,

> > closing

> > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable,

will

> > not

> > > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.

> > > >

> > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the

> > father in

> > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and

Jup

> > from

> > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and

father.

> > > >

> > > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of

environment

> > with MP

> > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies

this

> > > > factor.

> > > >

> > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement

cancells

> > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5

> > planets are

> > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the

> > > > significations of the concerned house rather they have

become

> > more

> > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :

> > > >

> > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in

11'th

> > and his

> > > > focus is on earning more and more.

> > > >

> > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu,

She

> > is

> > > > exceptionaly profession minded.

> > > >

> > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has

> > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu

> > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a

factory

> > for

> > > > his family members, still, working as President of His

group of

> > > > companies.

> > > >

> > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for

> > tomorrow's

> > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has

> > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and

> > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's

> > sickness

> > > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family,

Ravi's

> > case

> > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to

father's

> > health

> > > > and expenses on father.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Since you think you have already established that 10th

is for

> > > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle

than

> > yours.

> > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord

going

> > to 6th

> > > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are

in

> > mutual

> > > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka

for

> > father

> > > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya

yoga is

> > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his

chapter

> > on

> > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas,

when in

> > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu

all

> > three

> > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the

> > grahas are

> > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this

position.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's

House -

> > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > >

> > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :

> > > > >

> > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,

> > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius

> > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)

> > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)

> > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars

> > (lagna

> > > > lord) + Rahu

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's

going to

> > > > 6'th house, should create differences between them, but

she

> > shares a

> > > > special bond with her father , why ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house

of

> > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th

> > house of

> > > > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a

> > special bond

> > > > of love.

> > > > >

> > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars

and

> > Rahu,

> > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her

workaholic,her

> > life

> > > > is her profession and her father.

> > > > >

> > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this

horoscope has

> > a

> > > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from

5'th

> > and

> > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.

> > > > >

> > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th

house,

> > which

> > > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of

father

> > and

> > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th

house

> > and

> > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very

clear

> > on my

> > > > findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to

the

> > needs

> > > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out

stream

> > of

> > > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General

Admin.

> > I got

> > > > clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir

> > auther's

> > > > have done good work.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu

> > > > <mechumla@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets

in a

> > > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she

has

> > only 4

> > > > planets in 10th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have been following this thread with much interest,

as the

> > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least

in my

> > naive

> > > > understanding.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.

> > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu

> > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury

> > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus

> > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which

represent

> > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th

house.

> > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju.

My

> > ninth

> > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have

the

> > best

> > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I

have to

> > > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days

living

> > with

> > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs

of

> > time

> > > > cumulative.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been

away

> > from

> > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I

mostly

> > speak

> > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I

did

> > argue

> > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he

says

> > I

> > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Neenu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol litsol@

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have

stated. She

> > > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter,

her

> > > > > > > life revolves

> > > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her

> > > > > > > personal life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has

done it

> > > > > > > always.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about

> > > > > > > pravrajya related to

> > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept

better?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they

will

> > > > > > > give results

> > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to

acquired

> > > > > > > knowledge or

> > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing

a

> > > > > > > chart without

> > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to

lead to

> > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or

> > other.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not

only

> > > > > > > the 10th lord

> > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any

conclusions

> > > > > > > about whether

> > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for

> > > > > > > father, here ,

> > > > > > > may not be very logical.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's

> > > > > > > mother so it is mother

> > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also

occupied

> > > > > > > by Ketu

> > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics,

though

> > > > > > > Jupiter also

> > > > > > > aspects the 4th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes

> > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and

> > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

> > > > > > > there is

> > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what

> > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and

> > > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what

> > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > indicates,

> > > > > > > > his position and status in society and relationship

> > > > > > > with father,

> > > > > > > If I m

> > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,

> > > > > > > though, an afflicted and

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in

> > > > > > > company of - Sat,

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > and mars.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in

> > > > > > > this case ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,

> > > > > > > sometimes, in lack

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but

> > > > > > > luckily we have

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake

> > > > > > > him in his hour

> > > > > > > of need?

> > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,

> > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are

> > > > > > > yet to

> > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus

9th

> > > > > > > debate?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM

> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > > > > Potential

> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth

> > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so

> > > > > > > nice, this is one

> > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in

> > > > > > > ur's company.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and

> > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope

> > > > > > > that u analyzed

> > > > > > > some 4

> > > > > > > > > months back.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M

> > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna

> > > > > > > is scorpio, but she

> > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken

> > > > > > > her marriage but

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > left her job.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for

> > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a

> > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions

> > > > > > > given to it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the

> > > > > > > confusion over both

> > > > > > > nature of

> > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives

> > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with

> > > > > > > sacrifice for

> > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga

> > > > > > > in her chart and

> > > > > > > she did

> > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's

> > > > > > > sake. Actually she was

> > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after

> > > > > > > her birth. Plus

> > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other

> > > > > > > planets to give

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the

> > > > > > > case of the

> > > > > > > jataka

> > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and

> > > > > > > also the node and

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of

> > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> > > > > > > > > through.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition

> > > > > > > to look at the 10th

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able

> > > > > > > to predict right

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > > > > > Two Potential

> > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -

> > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house

> > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,

> > > > > > > > > kindness

> > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties

> > > > > > > towards father(10'th

> > > > > > > > > lord, )he

> > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th

> > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > > > > > > > > 10'th, we

> > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his

> > > > > > > duties he can leave

> > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very

> > > > > > > basic elligibility for

> > > > > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that

> > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed

> > > > > > > in 9'th and which in

> > > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is

> > > > > > > 3'rd lord of

> > > > > > > > > initiatives

> > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and

> > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of

> > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of

> > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is

> > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper

> > > > > > > direction, he should do

> > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,

> > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is

> > > > > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both

> > > > > > > issues of attending to

> > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th

> > > > > > > to 5th.

> > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native

> > > > > > > will be taking care of

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to

> > > > > > > consider to attend

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to

> > > > > > > sacrifice of his own

> > > > > > > > > future.In

> > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord

> > > > > > > Sriram going to

> > > > > > > forest

> > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is

> > > > > > > likely that during the

> > > > > > > > > antar

> > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to

> > > > > > > take to the

> > > > > > > recourse.

> > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > Re:

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,

> > > > > > > 2:24 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the

> > > > > > > possibilities. However

> > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to

> > > > > > > prove some sage wrong

> > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the

> > > > > > > principles given by

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by

> > > > > > > ourselves.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and

> > > > > > > attending to father would

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.

> > > > > > > 9th bhava after all

> > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so

> > > > > > > he did give up the

> > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the

> > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the

> > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will

> > > > > > > tell when he may take

> > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course

> > > > > > > my comments are only

> > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know

> > > > > > > anything about the person.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008

> > > > > > > 9:31 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]

> > > > > > > Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing

> > > > > > > his MBA that he left

> > > > > > > > > halfway

> > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home

> > > > > > > during father's ailment.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things

> > > > > > > in groups is to open

> > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > avenues

> > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we

> > > > > > > developed in last few

> > > > > > > centuries

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to

> > > > > > > clssics and some other time

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated

> > > > > > > there in.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > aling@

> > > > > > > > > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga

> > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be

> > > > > > > > > steady in

> > > > > > > > > > > his duties?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,

> > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in

> > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5

> > > > > > > more planets.The sign

> > > > > > > > > raising

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign

> > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these

> > > > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of

> > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from

> > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up

> > > > > > > his mind about the

> > > > > > > > > girl.The

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and

> > > > > > > tribulations in the

> > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably

> > > > > > > his preparedness to

> > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > > nation

> > > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9

> > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again

> > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns

> > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in

> > > > > > > 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the

> > > > > > > cases only suggests that the

> > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for

> > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his

> > > > > > > > > > ideals.where

> > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some

> > > > > > > recognition and status in life

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > other above average person

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart

> > > > > > > have to support for the

> > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,

> > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see

> > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either

> > > > > > > giving up father or

> > > > > > > > > duties.

> > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are

> > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being

> > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the

> > > > > > > Lagna would give the

> > > > > > > temper,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could

> > > > > > > locate that would

> > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material

> > > > > > > for building India. Of

> > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen

> > > > > > > of this country could

> > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his

> > > > > > > own duties properly

> > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them

> > > > > > > for him.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th

> > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one

> > > > > > > am not very certain if

> > > > > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.

> > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong

> > > > > > > having missed something that

> > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008

> > > > > > > 10:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and

> > > > > > > Other Elders,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential

> > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building

> > > > > > > tomorrow's India,

> > > > > > > suddenly,

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good

> > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,

> > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they

> > > > > > > have courage and will to

> > > > > > > > > fight

> > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,

> > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger

> > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no

> > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from

> > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per

> > > > > > > his query and desire, I

> > > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that

> > > > > > > before Nov 2008,

> > > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > > > Guru's

> > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,

> > > > > > > a transformation in his

> > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -

> > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can

> > > > > > > verify if Exalted and

> > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like

> > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > > > > > > > > met

> > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart

> > > > > > > indicates, he is very

> > > > > > > > > handsom ,

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage

> > > > > > > to speak for the

> > > > > > > truth,

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for

> > > > > > > the society -

> > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in

> > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.

> > > > > > > The vimshottari Period

> > > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006

> > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of

> > > > > > > the family, compulsation

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress

> > > > > > > etc "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06

> > > > > > > January 1979

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October 5, 2008

Dear Lalit,

I thought you were talking about some work by Mr. K. N. Rao himself and not through his "Team". Anyway I cannot comment on what I have not read and without looking at the charts and the logic used to prove something.

I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in accepting new theories, but in these many years I have seen too many "New" systems coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed to even upto 2 years under the garb of time rectification to make a chart fit a pet theory or the author's perception of some public figure.

I have seen too many times, people with a pet theory, getting a number of charts and totally misinterpreting them to conform to their theories, to take something that is at complete variance with what majority of sages have stated.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

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litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

Dear Sir,Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th has too, along with work and fame, it signifies father.I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques in Astrological Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his research team, mostly they are saying same thing that we discussed many times in group, but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu in 11'th and 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works differently than the dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost saying, coming very near the reality.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > It appears that you want everybody accept your premise that 10th is the house of father. If you think I am diverting, because I point to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your opinion.> > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which one you are talking about.> > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth, as perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.> > Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is nothing further to discuss.> > However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from 10th should show the house of father. Is this some other daylight truth that other astrologers are not able to see?> > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it is you who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have preferred to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father and the love between them. > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > Dear Sir,> > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls. do not divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this mail, I have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a wrong dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri K.N Rao what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show courage and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach, this is in their favor only, Let's discuss - > > Lagna : Cancer with Moon> 2nd H : Leo with Sat> 3rd : Virgo with Mars> 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun> 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu > > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord Jup is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars aspects 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great differences to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know one's ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting reason, he happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house shows Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently overlooked mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status and palace, this is mockery of astrology.> > Now,> > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status and height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific aspects, aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is significant that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.> > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father, Sun the karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar, placement that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.> > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house of the horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there, Motilal Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running Venus/Merc dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when one is based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N Rao too overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th being 4th from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings in their theory, such an acceptance will take them to the true cause, near the truth ?> > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an old area of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house, 2nd lord Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio the sign of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of family, but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self efforts and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress and getting more property is certain by his own efforts. > > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how many truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this chart taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like Sri K.N Rao.> > I have already given u the list of the classics which says 10'th is the father's house, pls do not divert. > > regards,> Lalit.> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and the people under discussions are successful. So why should that show 10th to be the house for father?> > > > That is why I thought no further progress can be made if you have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and 10th represents father.> > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun combination > > gives accurate information about father, when i talk about 10'th, > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in that, I > > never excluded "Aspects effect" on 10'th.> > > > I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience, you gave > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like Amitabh's > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific aspects, where > > is doubt on that ?> > > > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will welcome > > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks 10'th doesnt > > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by Parashara > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in south > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other classics.> > > > regards,> > Lalit> > > > should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when in > > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that > > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes to the 3rd > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project that > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9 this to > > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do not > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant with > > father. > > > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the house for > > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much results.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more cases > > to reach> > > an educated conclusion.> > > > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, learning and> > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a loving> > > relationship with father.> > > > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i remember > > his> > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of father, > > and 2nd> > > house of family.> > > > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his father was> > > also a learned and well reputed in society.> > > > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th which> > > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given similar > > chart.> > > > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she has to> > > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and venus is > > placed> > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun is also> > > there, father still has enough land and other immovable property > > but in> > > joint possession with his brothers.> > > > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 PM, he > > is a> > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly earns > > some> > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.> > > > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.> > > > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get> > > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also > > examined 9'th> > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so it is> > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord exchanging > > places> > > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even assuming, but > > not> > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.> > > >> > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the 10th > > lord, so> > > its good placement and the father being powerful can not prove > > that 10th> > > bhava is for father.> > > >> > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with those> > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show that > > 10th is> > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet > > it is> > > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is > > also in> > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his father > > was very> > > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi that > > Nehru> > > got close to him and then became primeminister is common > > knowledge. You> > > may like to think about this too.> > > >> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > > House -> > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing, > > closing> > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will > > not> > > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.> > > >> > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the > > father in> > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup > > from> > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.> > > >> > > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment > > with MP> > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this> > > > factor.> > > >> > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells> > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 > > planets are> > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the> > > > significations of the concerned house rather they have become > > more> > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :> > > >> > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in 11'th > > and his> > > > focus is on earning more and more.> > > >> > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, She > > is> > > > exceptionaly profession minded.> > > >> > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has > > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu> > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory > > for> > > > his family members, still, working as President of His group of> > > > companies.> > > >> > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for > > tomorrow's> > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and> > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's > > sickness> > > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's > > case> > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's > > health> > > > and expenses on father.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > Since you think you have already established that 10th is for> > > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than > > yours.> > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going > > to 6th> > > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in > > mutual> > > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka for > > father> > > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.> > > > >> > > > > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is> > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter > > on> > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in> > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all > > three> > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the > > grahas are> > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's House -> > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > >> > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> > > > >> > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,> > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars > > (lagna> > > > lord) + Rahu> > > > >> > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to> > > > 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she > > shares a> > > > special bond with her father , why ?> > > > >> > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of> > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th > > house of> > > > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a > > special bond> > > > of love.> > > > >> > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and > > Rahu,> > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her workaholic,her > > life> > > > is her profession and her father.> > > > >> > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has > > a> > > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th > > and> > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> > > > >> > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, > > which> > > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.> > > > >> > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father > > and> > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house > > and> > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear > > on my> > > > findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the > > needs> > > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream > > of> > > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. > > I got> > > > clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir > > auther's> > > > have done good work.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu> > > > <mechumla@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a> > > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has > > only 4> > > > planets in 10th.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the> > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in my > > naive> > > > understanding.> > > > > >> > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > > > > >> > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent> > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house.> > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My > > ninth> > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the > > best> > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to> > > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living > > with> > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of > > time> > > > cumulative.> > > > > >> > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away > > from> > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly > > speak> > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.> > > > > >> > > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did > > argue> > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says > > I> > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Neenu> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol litsol@> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She> > > > > > > has not> > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her> > > > > > > life revolves> > > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > > > > > > personal life.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it> > > > > > > always.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > > > > > > pravrajya related to> > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will> > > > > > > give results> > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired> > > > > > > knowledge or> > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a> > > > > > > chart without> > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to> > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or > > other.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only> > > > > > > the 10th lord> > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions> > > > > > > about whether> > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > > > > > > father, here ,> > > > > > > may not be very logical.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > > > > > mother so it is mother> > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied> > > > > > > by Ketu> > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though> > > > > > > Jupiter also> > > > > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > > > > there is> > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > > > > > > relationship> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > father.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > indicates,> > > > > > > > his position and status in society and relationship> > > > > > > with father,> > > > > > > If I m> > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > > > > > though, an afflicted and> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > > > > > > company of - Sat,> > > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > and mars.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > > > > > > this case ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > > > > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > > > > > > luckily we have> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > > > > > > him in his hour> > > > > > > of need?> > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > > > > yet to> > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th> > > > > > > debate?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > > Potential> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > > > > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > > > > > ur's company.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > > > > > > that u analyzed> > > > > > > some 4> > > > > > > > > months back.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > > > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > > > > > > her marriage but> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > left her job.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > > > > > > given to it.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > > > > > confusion over both> > > > > > > nature of> > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > > > > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > > > > > > in her chart and> > > > > > > she did> > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > > > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > > > > left> > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > > > > > > her birth. Plus> > > > > > > her> > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > > > > > > planets to give> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > > > > > > case of the> > > > > > > jataka> > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > > > > > > also the node and> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > > > > through.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > > > > > to look at the 10th> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > > > > > > to predict right> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > > > > > Two Potential> > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > > > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > > > > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > > > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > > > > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > > > > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > > > > heart> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > > > > > direction, he should do> > > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > > > > one and> > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem> > > > > > > krishnan> > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > > > > > issues of attending to> > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > > > > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> > > > > > > will be taking care of> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > > > > > > consider to attend> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > > > > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > > > > > > Sriram going to> > > > > > > forest> > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > > > > > likely that during the> > > > > > > > > antar> > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > > > > > > take to the> > > > > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > > Re:> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > > > > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > > > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > > > > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > > > > > > principles given by> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > > > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > > > > > attending to father would> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > > > > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> > > > > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > > > > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > > > > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > > > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > > > > > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > > > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > > > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > > > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > > > > > in groups is to open> > > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > > > > developed in last few> > > > > > > centuries> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > > > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > > > > > there in.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > aling@> > > > > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > > > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > > > > raising> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > > > > > his mind about the> > > > > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > > > > > tribulations in the> > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > > > > > his preparedness to> > > > > > > assume> > > > > > > > > > nation> > > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > > > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > > > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > > > > recognition and status in life> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > > > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > > > > > giving up father or> > > > > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > > > > > > Lagna would give the> > > > > > > temper,> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > > > > > locate that would> > > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > > > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > > > > > of this country could> > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > > > > > own duties properly> > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > > > > > for him.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > > > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > > > > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > > > > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > > > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > > > > suddenly,> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > > > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > > > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > > > > asked> > > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > > > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > > > > keeping> > > > > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > > > > > a transformation in his> > > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > > > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > > > > met> > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > > > > > indicates, he is very> > > > > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > > > > > to speak for the> > > > > > > truth,> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > > > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > > > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > > > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > > > > > etc"> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > > > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 6, 2008

Sir,

Being conservative is a very good thing, refinement and enhanement is

the most conservative approach, since the world came into exitance,

new explorations have been there in the place, and only most

conservative people have been accepting every new thing, but those who

are dogmatic, they do not accept the truth, truth doesnt want any

acceptance.

If u do not accept, you can never correct information about find one's

father, Pls. try Nehru's case, what u have to say, 9'th lord in 6'th,

afflicted by Ketu and aspected by Mars.

Uttar Kalamrita has been written at least some 1500 yrs back, so,

10'th being taken as Father's house is not new, I m surprised, why it

looks new to you.

regards,

Lalit

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I thought you were talking about some work by Mr. K. N. Rao himself

and not through his " Team " . Anyway I cannot comment on what I have not

read and without looking at the charts and the logic used to prove

something.

>

> I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in accepting new

theories, but in these many years I have seen too many " New " systems

coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed to even upto 2

years under the garb of time rectification to make a chart fit a pet

theory or the author's perception of some public figure.

>

> I have seen too many times, people with a pet theory, getting a

number of charts and totally misinterpreting them to conform to their

theories, to take something that is at complete variance with what

majority of sages have stated.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -

10'th/9'th : Last effort

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th has too, along

> with work and fame, it signifies father.

>

> I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.

>

> I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques in Astrological

> Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his research team, mostly

> they are saying same thing that we discussed many times in group,

> but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu in 11'th and

> 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works differently than the

> dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost saying, coming very

> near the reality.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > It appears that you want everybody accept your premise that 10th

> is the house of father. If you think I am diverting, because I point

> to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your opinion.

> >

> > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which one you are

> talking about.

> >

> > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth, as

> perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.

> >

> > Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is nothing

> further to discuss.

> >

> > However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from 10th

> should show the house of father. Is this some other daylight truth

> that other astrologers are not able to see?

> >

> > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it is you

> who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have preferred

> to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father and the

> love between them.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -

> 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the

> group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls. do not

> divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this mail, I

> have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a wrong

> dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri K.N Rao

> what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show courage

> and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach, this is

> in their favor only, Let's discuss -

> >

> > Lagna : Cancer with Moon

> > 2nd H : Leo with Sat

> > 3rd : Virgo with Mars

> > 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus

> > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun

> > 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup

> > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu

> >

> > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord Jup

> is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars aspects

> 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great differences

> to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know one's

> ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting reason, he

> happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house shows

> Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently overlooked

> mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status and

> palace, this is mockery of astrology.

> >

> > Now,

> >

> > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status and

> height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific aspects,

> aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is significant

> that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.

> >

> > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father, Sun the

> karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar, placement

> that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.

> >

> > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house of the

> horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there, Motilal

> Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running Venus/Merc

> dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when one is

> based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N Rao too

> overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th being 4th

> from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings in their

> theory, such an acceptance will take them to the true cause, near

> the truth ?

> >

> > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an old area

> of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house, 2nd lord

> Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio the sign

> of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of family,

> but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self efforts

> and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress and

> getting more property is certain by his own efforts.

> >

> > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how many

> truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this chart

> taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like Sri K.N Rao.

> >

> > I have already given u the list of the classics which says 10'th

> is the father's house, pls do not divert.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a

> strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and the

> people under discussions are successful. So why should that show

> 10th to be the house for father?

> > >

> > > That is why I thought no further progress can be made if you

> have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and 10th

> represents father.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

> House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun

> combination

> > > gives accurate information about father, when i talk about

> 10'th,

> > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in that,

> I

> > > never excluded " Aspects effect " on 10'th.

> > >

> > > I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience, you

> gave

> > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like

> Amitabh's

> > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific

> aspects, where

> > > is doubt on that ?

> > >

> > > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will

> welcome

> > > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks 10'th

> doesnt

> > > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by

> Parashara

> > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in

> south

> > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other classics.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit

> > >

> > > should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics

> > >

> > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when

> in

> > > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that

> > > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes to

> the 3rd

> > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project

> that

> > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9

> this to

> > > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do

> not

> > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant

> with

> > > father.

> > > >

> > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the

> house for

> > > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much

> results.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

> House -

> > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more

> cases

> > > to reach

> > > > an educated conclusion.

> > > >

> > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection,

> learning and

> > > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a

> loving

> > > > relationship with father.

> > > >

> > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i

> remember

> > > his

> > > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of

> father,

> > > and 2nd

> > > > house of family.

> > > >

> > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his

> father was

> > > > also a learned and well reputed in society.

> > > >

> > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th

> which

> > > > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given

> similar

> > > chart.

> > > >

> > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she

> has to

> > > > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and

> venus is

> > > placed

> > > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun

> is also

> > > > there, father still has enough land and other immovable

> property

> > > but in

> > > > joint possession with his brothers.

> > > >

> > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57

> PM, he

> > > is a

> > > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly

> earns

> > > some

> > > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.

> > > >

> > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.

> > > >

> > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get

> > > > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also

> > > examined 9'th

> > > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so

> it is

> > > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord

> exchanging

> > > places

> > > > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even

> assuming, but

> > > not

> > > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the

> 10th

> > > lord, so

> > > > its good placement and the father being powerful can not

> prove

> > > that 10th

> > > > bhava is for father.

> > > > >

> > > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with

> those

> > > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show

> that

> > > 10th is

> > > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th

> and yet

> > > it is

> > > > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord

> is

> > > also in

> > > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his

> father

> > > was very

> > > > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi

> that

> > > Nehru

> > > > got close to him and then became primeminister is common

> > > knowledge. You

> > > > may like to think about this too.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

> > > House -

> > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every

> thing,

> > > closing

> > > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable,

> will

> > > not

> > > > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the

> > > father in

> > > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and

> Jup

> > > from

> > > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and

> father.

> > > > >

> > > > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of

> environment

> > > with MP

> > > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies

> this

> > > > > factor.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement

> cancells

> > > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5

> > > planets are

> > > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the

> > > > > significations of the concerned house rather they have

> become

> > > more

> > > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in

> 11'th

> > > and his

> > > > > focus is on earning more and more.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu,

> She

> > > is

> > > > > exceptionaly profession minded.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has

> > > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu

> > > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a

> factory

> > > for

> > > > > his family members, still, working as President of His

> group of

> > > > > companies.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for

> > > tomorrow's

> > > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has

> > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and

> > > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's

> > > sickness

> > > > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family,

> Ravi's

> > > case

> > > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to

> father's

> > > health

> > > > > and expenses on father.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since you think you have already established that 10th

> is for

> > > > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle

> than

> > > yours.

> > > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord

> going

> > > to 6th

> > > > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are

> in

> > > mutual

> > > > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka

> for

> > > father

> > > > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya

> yoga is

> > > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his

> chapter

> > > on

> > > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas,

> when in

> > > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu

> all

> > > three

> > > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the

> > > grahas are

> > > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this

> position.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's

> House -

> > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,

> > > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius

> > > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)

> > > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)

> > > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars

> > > (lagna

> > > > > lord) + Rahu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's

> going to

> > > > > 6'th house, should create differences between them, but

> she

> > > shares a

> > > > > special bond with her father , why ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house

> of

> > > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th

> > > house of

> > > > > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a

> > > special bond

> > > > > of love.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars

> and

> > > Rahu,

> > > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her

> workaholic,her

> > > life

> > > > > is her profession and her father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this

> horoscope has

> > > a

> > > > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from

> 5'th

> > > and

> > > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th

> house,

> > > which

> > > > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of

> father

> > > and

> > > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th

> house

> > > and

> > > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very

> clear

> > > on my

> > > > > findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to

> the

> > > needs

> > > > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out

> stream

> > > of

> > > > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General

> Admin.

> > > I got

> > > > > clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir

> > > auther's

> > > > > have done good work.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu

> > > > > <mechumla@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets

> in a

> > > > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she

> has

> > > only 4

> > > > > planets in 10th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have been following this thread with much interest,

> as the

> > > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least

> in my

> > > naive

> > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.

> > > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu

> > > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury

> > > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus

> > > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which

> represent

> > > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th

> house.

> > > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju.

> My

> > > ninth

> > > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have

> the

> > > best

> > > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I

> have to

> > > > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days

> living

> > > with

> > > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs

> of

> > > time

> > > > > cumulative.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been

> away

> > > from

> > > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I

> mostly

> > > speak

> > > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I

> did

> > > argue

> > > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he

> says

> > > I

> > > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Neenu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > litsol litsol@

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have

> stated. She

> > > > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter,

> her

> > > > > > > > life revolves

> > > > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her

> > > > > > > > personal life.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has

> done it

> > > > > > > > always.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about

> > > > > > > > pravrajya related to

> > > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept

> better?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they

> will

> > > > > > > > give results

> > > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to

> acquired

> > > > > > > > knowledge or

> > > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing

> a

> > > > > > > > chart without

> > > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to

> lead to

> > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or

> > > other.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not

> only

> > > > > > > > the 10th lord

> > > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any

> conclusions

> > > > > > > > about whether

> > > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for

> > > > > > > > father, here ,

> > > > > > > > may not be very logical.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's

> > > > > > > > mother so it is mother

> > > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also

> occupied

> > > > > > > > by Ketu

> > > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics,

> though

> > > > > > > > Jupiter also

> > > > > > > > aspects the 4th.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and

> > > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

> > > > > > > > there is

> > > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what

> > > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and

> > > > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what

> > > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > indicates,

> > > > > > > > > his position and status in society and relationship

> > > > > > > > with father,

> > > > > > > > If I m

> > > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,

> > > > > > > > though, an afflicted and

> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in

> > > > > > > > company of - Sat,

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > and mars.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in

> > > > > > > > this case ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,

> > > > > > > > sometimes, in lack

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but

> > > > > > > > luckily we have

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake

> > > > > > > > him in his hour

> > > > > > > > of need?

> > > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,

> > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are

> > > > > > > > yet to

> > > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus

> 9th

> > > > > > > > debate?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > > > > > Potential

> > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth

> > > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so

> > > > > > > > nice, this is one

> > > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in

> > > > > > > > ur's company.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and

> > > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope

> > > > > > > > that u analyzed

> > > > > > > > some 4

> > > > > > > > > > months back.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M

> > > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna

> > > > > > > > is scorpio, but she

> > > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken

> > > > > > > > her marriage but

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > left her job.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for

> > > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a

> > > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions

> > > > > > > > given to it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the

> > > > > > > > confusion over both

> > > > > > > > nature of

> > > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives

> > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with

> > > > > > > > sacrifice for

> > > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga

> > > > > > > > in her chart and

> > > > > > > > she did

> > > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's

> > > > > > > > sake. Actually she was

> > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after

> > > > > > > > her birth. Plus

> > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other

> > > > > > > > planets to give

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the

> > > > > > > > case of the

> > > > > > > > jataka

> > > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and

> > > > > > > > also the node and

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of

> > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> > > > > > > > > > through.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition

> > > > > > > > to look at the 10th

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able

> > > > > > > > to predict right

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > > > > > > Two Potential

> > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -

> > > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house

> > > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,

> > > > > > > > > > kindness

> > > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties

> > > > > > > > towards father(10'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord, )he

> > > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th

> > > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > > > > > > > > > 10'th, we

> > > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his

> > > > > > > > duties he can leave

> > > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very

> > > > > > > > basic elligibility for

> > > > > > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that

> > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed

> > > > > > > > in 9'th and which in

> > > > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is

> > > > > > > > 3'rd lord of

> > > > > > > > > > initiatives

> > > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and

> > > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of

> > > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of

> > > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is

> > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper

> > > > > > > > direction, he should do

> > > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,

> > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is

> > > > > > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem

> > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both

> > > > > > > > issues of attending to

> > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th

> > > > > > > > to 5th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native

> > > > > > > > will be taking care of

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to

> > > > > > > > consider to attend

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to

> > > > > > > > sacrifice of his own

> > > > > > > > > > future.In

> > > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord

> > > > > > > > Sriram going to

> > > > > > > > forest

> > > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is

> > > > > > > > likely that during the

> > > > > > > > > > antar

> > > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to

> > > > > > > > take to the

> > > > > > > > recourse.

> > > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re:

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,

> > > > > > > > 2:24 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the

> > > > > > > > possibilities. However

> > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to

> > > > > > > > prove some sage wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the

> > > > > > > > principles given by

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by

> > > > > > > > ourselves.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and

> > > > > > > > attending to father would

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.

> > > > > > > > 9th bhava after all

> > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so

> > > > > > > > he did give up the

> > > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the

> > > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the

> > > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will

> > > > > > > > tell when he may take

> > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course

> > > > > > > > my comments are only

> > > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know

> > > > > > > > anything about the person.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008

> > > > > > > > 9:31 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]

> > > > > > > > Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing

> > > > > > > > his MBA that he left

> > > > > > > > > > halfway

> > > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home

> > > > > > > > during father's ailment.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things

> > > > > > > > in groups is to open

> > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > avenues

> > > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we

> > > > > > > > developed in last few

> > > > > > > > centuries

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to

> > > > > > > > clssics and some other time

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated

> > > > > > > > there in.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > aling@

> > > > > > > > > > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga

> > > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be

> > > > > > > > > > steady in

> > > > > > > > > > > > his duties?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,

> > > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in

> > > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5

> > > > > > > > more planets.The sign

> > > > > > > > > > raising

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign

> > > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these

> > > > > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of

> > > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from

> > > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up

> > > > > > > > his mind about the

> > > > > > > > > > girl.The

> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and

> > > > > > > > tribulations in the

> > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably

> > > > > > > > his preparedness to

> > > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > > > nation

> > > > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9

> > > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again

> > > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns

> > > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in

> > > > > > > > 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the

> > > > > > > > cases only suggests that the

> > > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for

> > > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his

> > > > > > > > > > > ideals.where

> > > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some

> > > > > > > > recognition and status in life

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > other above average person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart

> > > > > > > > have to support for the

> > > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,

> > > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see

> > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either

> > > > > > > > giving up father or

> > > > > > > > > > duties.

> > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are

> > > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being

> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the

> > > > > > > > Lagna would give the

> > > > > > > > temper,

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could

> > > > > > > > locate that would

> > > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material

> > > > > > > > for building India. Of

> > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen

> > > > > > > > of this country could

> > > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his

> > > > > > > > own duties properly

> > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them

> > > > > > > > for him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th

> > > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one

> > > > > > > > am not very certain if

> > > > > > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong

> > > > > > > > having missed something that

> > > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008

> > > > > > > > 10:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and

> > > > > > > > Other Elders,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential

> > > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building

> > > > > > > > tomorrow's India,

> > > > > > > > suddenly,

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good

> > > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,

> > > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they

> > > > > > > > have courage and will to

> > > > > > > > > > fight

> > > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,

> > > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger

> > > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no

> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from

> > > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per

> > > > > > > > his query and desire, I

> > > > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that

> > > > > > > > before Nov 2008,

> > > > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > > > > Guru's

> > > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,

> > > > > > > > a transformation in his

> > > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can

> > > > > > > > verify if Exalted and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like

> > > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > > > > > > > > > met

> > > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart

> > > > > > > > indicates, he is very

> > > > > > > > > > handsom ,

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage

> > > > > > > > to speak for the

> > > > > > > > truth,

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for

> > > > > > > > the society -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in

> > > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.

> > > > > > > > The vimshottari Period

> > > > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006

> > > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of

> > > > > > > > the family, compulsation

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress

> > > > > > > > etc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06

> > > > > > > > January 1979

> > > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76

> > > > > > > > 6 E

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 7, 2008

Dear Lalit,

If you insist on ignoring the strength of karaka for father, Sun, to understand the status of father, that is your prerogative.

9th also represents the husband of younger siblings and Nehru did not have good relations with them is a known fact.

But then as you have already decided that Uttara Kalamrita was written 1500 years back and must be the only text that must be considered as standard though many other classics do not think 10th to be the house for father, you can do so. I would however like you to quote the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita which says the 10th bhava indicates father. I would also like to know why that text calls the 9th as wealth of father if it wants to give the status of father to the 10th bhava.

I would also like to know that when you accept Uttara Kalamrita as the standard text that overrides all else, pray why do you think Guru in the 6th does not give happiness, more so when the 6th lord occupies the 6th bhava, though Uttara Kalamrita is very clear in this regard and says that it will also increase the indications of bhava owned by it?

I presume that now you will also like others to take Budha as karaka for father since it is karaka for the 10th bhava. I am sure people will even accept that, but being dogmatic, as you prefer to call me, I prefer to rely more on Vaidyanath, Mantreshwar, Parashara, Jaimini, Achyut, Jeevnath, Narada and also the learned author of Uttara Kalamrita when he only amplifies what has already been stated by them and other numerous acharyas and Pravartakas of Jyotish. If I am called dogmatic for that, then so be it.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Monday, October 06, 2008 11:08 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

Sir,Being conservative is a very good thing, refinement and enhanement isthe most conservative approach, since the world came into exitance,new explorations have been there in the place, and only mostconservative people have been accepting every new thing, but those whoare dogmatic, they do not accept the truth, truth doesnt want anyacceptance.If u do not accept, you can never correct information about find one'sfather, Pls. try Nehru's case, what u have to say, 9'th lord in 6'th,afflicted by Ketu and aspected by Mars.Uttar Kalamrita has been written at least some 1500 yrs back, so,10'th being taken as Father's house is not new, I m surprised, why itlooks new to you.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > I thought you were talking about some work by Mr. K. N. Rao himselfand not through his "Team". Anyway I cannot comment on what I have notread and without looking at the charts and the logic used to provesomething.> > I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in accepting newtheories, but in these many years I have seen too many "New" systemscoming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed to even upto 2years under the garb of time rectification to make a chart fit a pettheory or the author's perception of some public figure.> > I have seen too many times, people with a pet theory, getting anumber of charts and totally misinterpreting them to conform to theirtheories, to take something that is at complete variance with whatmajority of sages have stated. > > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > Dear Sir,> > Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th has too, along > with work and fame, it signifies father.> > I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.> > I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques in Astrological > Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his research team, mostly > they are saying same thing that we discussed many times in group, > but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu in 11'th and > 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works differently than the > dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost saying, coming very > near the reality.> > regards,> Lalit.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > It appears that you want everybody accept your premise that 10th > is the house of father. If you think I am diverting, because I point > to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your opinion.> > > > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which one you are > talking about.> > > > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth, as > perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.> > > > Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is nothing > further to discuss.> > > > However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from 10th > should show the house of father. Is this some other daylight truth > that other astrologers are not able to see?> > > > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it is you > who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have preferred > to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father and the > love between them. > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -> 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the > group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls. do not > divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this mail, I > have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a wrong > dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri K.N Rao > what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show courage > and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach, this is > in their favor only, Let's discuss - > > > > Lagna : Cancer with Moon> > 2nd H : Leo with Sat> > 3rd : Virgo with Mars> > 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus > > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun> > 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup > > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu > > > > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord Jup > is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars aspects > 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great differences > to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know one's > ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting reason, he > happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house shows > Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently overlooked > mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status and > palace, this is mockery of astrology.> > > > Now,> > > > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status and > height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific aspects, > aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is significant > that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.> > > > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father, Sun the > karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar, placement > that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.> > > > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house of the > horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there, Motilal > Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running Venus/Merc > dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when one is > based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N Rao too > overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th being 4th > from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings in their > theory, such an acceptance will take them to the true cause, near > the truth ?> > > > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an old area > of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house, 2nd lord > Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio the sign > of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of family, > but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self efforts > and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress and > getting more property is certain by his own efforts. > > > > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how many > truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this chart > taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like Sri K.N Rao.> > > > I have already given u the list of the classics which says 10'th > is the father's house, pls do not divert. > > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a > strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and the > people under discussions are successful. So why should that show > 10th to be the house for father?> > > > > > That is why I thought no further progress can be made if you > have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and 10th > represents father.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun > combination > > > gives accurate information about father, when i talk about > 10'th, > > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in that, > I > > > never excluded "Aspects effect" on 10'th.> > > > > > I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience, you > gave > > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like > Amitabh's > > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific > aspects, where > > > is doubt on that ?> > > > > > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will > welcome > > > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks 10'th > doesnt > > > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by > Parashara > > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in > south > > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other classics.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when > in > > > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that > > > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes to > the 3rd > > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project > that > > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9 > this to > > > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do > not > > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant > with > > > father. > > > > > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the > house for > > > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much > results.> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > - > > > > litsol > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > House - > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more > cases > > > to reach> > > > an educated conclusion.> > > > > > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, > learning and> > > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a > loving> > > > relationship with father.> > > > > > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i > remember > > > his> > > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of > father, > > > and 2nd> > > > house of family.> > > > > > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his > father was> > > > also a learned and well reputed in society.> > > > > > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th > which> > > > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given > similar > > > chart.> > > > > > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she > has to> > > > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and > venus is > > > placed> > > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun > is also> > > > there, father still has enough land and other immovable > property > > > but in> > > > joint possession with his brothers.> > > > > > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 > PM, he > > > is a> > > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly > earns > > > some> > > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.> > > > > > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.> > > > > > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get> > > > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also > > > examined 9'th> > > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so > it is> > > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord > exchanging > > > places> > > > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even > assuming, but > > > not> > > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.> > > > >> > > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the > 10th > > > lord, so> > > > its good placement and the father being powerful can not > prove > > > that 10th> > > > bhava is for father.> > > > >> > > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with > those> > > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show > that > > > 10th is> > > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th > and yet > > > it is> > > > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord > is > > > also in> > > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his > father > > > was very> > > > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi > that > > > Nehru> > > > got close to him and then became primeminister is common > > > knowledge. You> > > > may like to think about this too.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > > > House -> > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every > thing, > > > closing> > > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, > will > > > not> > > > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.> > > > >> > > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the > > > father in> > > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and > Jup > > > from> > > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and > father.> > > > >> > > > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of > environment > > > with MP> > > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies > this> > > > > factor.> > > > >> > > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement > cancells> > > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 > > > planets are> > > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the> > > > > significations of the concerned house rather they have > become > > > more> > > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :> > > > >> > > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in > 11'th > > > and his> > > > > focus is on earning more and more.> > > > >> > > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, > She > > > is> > > > > exceptionaly profession minded.> > > > >> > > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has > > > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu> > > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a > factory > > > for> > > > > his family members, still, working as President of His > group of> > > > > companies.> > > > >> > > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for > > > tomorrow's> > > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has > > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and> > > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's > > > sickness> > > > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, > Ravi's > > > case> > > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to > father's > > > health> > > > > and expenses on father.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > Since you think you have already established that 10th > is for> > > > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle > than > > > yours.> > > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord > going > > > to 6th> > > > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are > in > > > mutual> > > > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka > for > > > father> > > > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya > yoga is> > > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his > chapter > > > on> > > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, > when in> > > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu > all > > > three> > > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the > > > grahas are> > > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this > position.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's > House -> > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> > > > > >> > > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,> > > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> > > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars > > > (lagna> > > > > lord) + Rahu> > > > > >> > > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's > going to> > > > > 6'th house, should create differences between them, but > she > > > shares a> > > > > special bond with her father , why ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house > of> > > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th > > > house of> > > > > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a > > > special bond> > > > > of love.> > > > > >> > > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars > and > > > Rahu,> > > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her > workaholic,her > > > life> > > > > is her profession and her father.> > > > > >> > > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this > horoscope has > > > a> > > > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from > 5'th > > > and> > > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> > > > > >> > > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th > house, > > > which> > > > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.> > > > > >> > > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of > father > > > and> > > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th > house > > > and> > > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very > clear > > > on my> > > > > findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to > the > > > needs> > > > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out > stream > > > of> > > > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General > Admin. > > > I got> > > > > clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir > > > auther's> > > > > have done good work.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu> > > > > <mechumla@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets > in a> > > > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she > has > > > only 4> > > > > planets in 10th.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I have been following this thread with much interest, > as the> > > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least > in my > > > naive> > > > > understanding.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which > represent> > > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th > house.> > > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. > My > > > ninth> > > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have > the > > > best> > > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I > have to> > > > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days > living > > > with> > > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs > of > > > time> > > > > cumulative.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been > away > > > from> > > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I > mostly > > > speak> > > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I > did > > > argue> > > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he > says > > > I> > > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Neenu> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > litsol litsol@> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have > stated. She> > > > > > > > has not> > > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, > her> > > > > > > > life revolves> > > > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > > > > > > > personal life.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has > done it> > > > > > > > always.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > > > > > > > pravrajya related to> > > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept > better?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they > will> > > > > > > > give results> > > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to > acquired> > > > > > > > knowledge or> > > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing > a> > > > > > > > chart without> > > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to > lead to> > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or > > > other.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not > only> > > > > > > > the 10th lord> > > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any > conclusions> > > > > > > > about whether> > > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > > > > > > > father, here ,> > > > > > > > may not be very logical.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > > > > > > mother so it is mother> > > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also > occupied> > > > > > > > by Ketu> > > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, > though> > > > > > > > Jupiter also> > > > > > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > > > > > there is> > > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > > > > > > > relationship> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > father.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > > indicates,> > > > > > > > > his position and status in society and relationship> > > > > > > > with father,> > > > > > > > If I m> > > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > > > > > > though, an afflicted and> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > > > > > > > company of - Sat,> > > > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > > and mars.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > > > > > > > this case ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > > > > > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > > > > > > > luckily we have> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > > > > > > > him in his hour> > > > > > > > of need?> > > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > > > > > yet to> > > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus > 9th> > > > > > > > debate?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > > > Potential> > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > > > > > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > > > > > > ur's company.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > > > > > > > that u analyzed> > > > > > > > some 4> > > > > > > > > > months back.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > > > > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > > > > > > > her marriage but> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > left her job.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > > > > > > > given to it.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > > > > > > confusion over both> > > > > > > > nature of> > > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > > > > > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > > > > > > > in her chart and> > > > > > > > she did> > > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > > > > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > > > > > left> > > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > > > > > > > her birth. Plus> > > > > > > > her> > > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > > > > > > > planets to give> > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > > > > > > > case of the> > > > > > > > jataka> > > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > > > > > > > also the node and> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > > > > > through.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > > > > > > to look at the 10th> > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > > > > > > > to predict right> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > > > > > > Two Potential> > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > > > > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > > > > > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > > > > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > > > > > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > > > > > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > > > > > heart> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > > > > > > direction, he should do> > > > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > > > > > one and> > > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem> > > > > > > > krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > > > > > > issues of attending to> > > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > > > > > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> > > > > > > > will be taking care of> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > > > > > > > consider to attend> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > > > > > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > > > > > > > Sriram going to> > > > > > > > forest> > > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > > > > > > likely that during the> > > > > > > > > > antar> > > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > > > > > > > take to the> > > > > > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > > > Re:> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > > > > > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > > > > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > > > > > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > > > > > > > principles given by> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > > > > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > > > > > > attending to father would> > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > > > > > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> > > > > > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > > > > > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > > > > > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > > > > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > > > > > > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > > > > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > > > > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > > > > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > > > > > > in groups is to open> > > > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > > > > > developed in last few> > > > > > > > centuries> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > > > > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > > > > > > there in.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > aling@> > > > > > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > > > > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > > > > > raising> > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > > > > > > his mind about the> > > > > > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > > > > > > tribulations in the> > > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > > > > > > his preparedness to> > > > > > > > assume> > > > > > > > > > > nation> > > > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > > > > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > > > > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > > > > > recognition and status in life> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > > > > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > > > > > > giving up father or> > > > > > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > > > > > > > Lagna would give the> > > > > > > > temper,> > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > > > > > > locate that would> > > > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > > > > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > > > > > > of this country could> > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > > > > > > own duties properly> > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > > > > > > for him.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > > > > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > > > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > > > > > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > > > > > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > > > > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > > > > > suddenly,> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > > > > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > > > > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > > > > > asked> > > > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > > > > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > > > > > keeping> > > > > > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > > > > > > a transformation in his> > > > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > > > > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > > > > > met> > > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > > > > > > indicates, he is very> > > > > > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > > > > > > to speak for the> > > > > > > > truth,> > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > > > > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > > > > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > > > > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > > > > > > etc"> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > > > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > > > > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 8, 2008

Sir,

Pls. analyze Nehru's horoscope taking 9'th as father and tell the

group what results u get.

I do not twist logic, I never said that Sun in not Karaka for

father, if u remeber, I said, In Nehru and the other girl's case,

Sun's placement in 5'th has made a loving relationship.

regards,

Lalit

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> If you insist on ignoring the strength of karaka for father, Sun,

to understand the status of father, that is your prerogative.

>

> 9th also represents the husband of younger siblings and Nehru did

not have good relations with them is a known fact.

>

> But then as you have already decided that Uttara Kalamrita was

written 1500 years back and must be the only text that must be

considered as standard though many other classics do not think 10th

to be the house for father, you can do so. I would however like you

to quote the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita which says the 10th bhava

indicates father. I would also like to know why that text calls the

9th as wealth of father if it wants to give the status of father to

the 10th bhava.

>

> I would also like to know that when you accept Uttara Kalamrita as

the standard text that overrides all else, pray why do you think

Guru in the 6th does not give happiness, more so when the 6th lord

occupies the 6th bhava, though Uttara Kalamrita is very clear in

this regard and says that it will also increase the indications of

bhava owned by it?

>

> I presume that now you will also like others to take Budha as

karaka for father since it is karaka for the 10th bhava. I am sure

people will even accept that, but being dogmatic, as you prefer to

call me, I prefer to rely more on Vaidyanath, Mantreshwar,

Parashara, Jaimini, Achyut, Jeevnath, Narada and also the learned

author of Uttara Kalamrita when he only amplifies what has already

been stated by them and other numerous acharyas and Pravartakas of

Jyotish. If I am called dogmatic for that, then so be it.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Monday, October 06, 2008 11:08 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -

10'th/9'th : Last effort

>

> Sir,

>

> Being conservative is a very good thing, refinement and

enhanement is

> the most conservative approach, since the world came into

exitance,

> new explorations have been there in the place, and only most

> conservative people have been accepting every new thing, but

those who

> are dogmatic, they do not accept the truth, truth doesnt want any

> acceptance.

>

> If u do not accept, you can never correct information about find

one's

> father, Pls. try Nehru's case, what u have to say, 9'th lord in

6'th,

> afflicted by Ketu and aspected by Mars.

>

> Uttar Kalamrita has been written at least some 1500 yrs back, so,

> 10'th being taken as Father's house is not new, I m surprised,

why it

> looks new to you.

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > I thought you were talking about some work by Mr. K. N. Rao

himself

> and not through his " Team " . Anyway I cannot comment on what I

have not

> read and without looking at the charts and the logic used to

prove

> something.

> >

> > I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in accepting new

> theories, but in these many years I have seen too many " New "

systems

> coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed to even

upto 2

> years under the garb of time rectification to make a chart fit a

pet

> theory or the author's perception of some public figure.

> >

> > I have seen too many times, people with a pet theory, getting a

> number of charts and totally misinterpreting them to conform to

their

> theories, to take something that is at complete variance with

what

> majority of sages have stated.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

House -

> 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th has too,

along

> > with work and fame, it signifies father.

> >

> > I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.

> >

> > I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques in

Astrological

> > Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his research team,

mostly

> > they are saying same thing that we discussed many times in

group,

> > but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu in 11'th

and

> > 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works differently than the

> > dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost saying, coming

very

> > near the reality.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > It appears that you want everybody accept your premise that

10th

> > is the house of father. If you think I am diverting, because I

point

> > to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your opinion.

> > >

> > > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which one

you are

> > talking about.

> > >

> > > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth, as

> > perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.

> > >

> > > Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is

nothing

> > further to discuss.

> > >

> > > However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from 10th

> > should show the house of father. Is this some other daylight

truth

> > that other astrologers are not able to see?

> > >

> > > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it is

you

> > who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have

preferred

> > to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father

and the

> > love between them.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

House -

> > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the

> > group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls. do

not

> > divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this

mail, I

> > have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a

wrong

> > dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri

K.N Rao

> > what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show

courage

> > and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach,

this is

> > in their favor only, Let's discuss -

> > >

> > > Lagna : Cancer with Moon

> > > 2nd H : Leo with Sat

> > > 3rd : Virgo with Mars

> > > 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus

> > > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun

> > > 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup

> > > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu

> > >

> > > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord

Jup

> > is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars

aspects

> > 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great

differences

> > to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know

one's

> > ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting

reason, he

> > happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house shows

> > Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently

overlooked

> > mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status

and

> > palace, this is mockery of astrology.

> > >

> > > Now,

> > >

> > > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status

and

> > height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific

aspects,

> > aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is

significant

> > that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.

> > >

> > > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father, Sun

the

> > karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar,

placement

> > that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.

> > >

> > > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house of

the

> > horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there,

Motilal

> > Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running

Venus/Merc

> > dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when one

is

> > based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N

Rao too

> > overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th being

4th

> > from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings in

their

> > theory, such an acceptance will take them to the true cause,

near

> > the truth ?

> > >

> > > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an old

area

> > of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house, 2nd

lord

> > Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio the

sign

> > of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of

family,

> > but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self

efforts

> > and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress and

> > getting more property is certain by his own efforts.

> > >

> > > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how

many

> > truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this

chart

> > taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like Sri

K.N Rao.

> > >

> > > I have already given u the list of the classics which says

10'th

> > is the father's house, pls do not divert.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a

> > strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and the

> > people under discussions are successful. So why should that

show

> > 10th to be the house for father?

> > > >

> > > > That is why I thought no further progress can be made if

you

> > have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and

10th

> > represents father.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

> > House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun

> > combination

> > > > gives accurate information about father, when i talk about

> > 10'th,

> > > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in

that,

> > I

> > > > never excluded " Aspects effect " on 10'th.

> > > >

> > > > I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience,

you

> > gave

> > > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like

> > Amitabh's

> > > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific

> > aspects, where

> > > > is doubt on that ?

> > > >

> > > > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will

> > welcome

> > > > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks

10'th

> > doesnt

> > > > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by

> > Parashara

> > > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in

> > south

> > > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other

classics.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > > > should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case

when

> > in

> > > > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th

that

> > > > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes

to

> > the 3rd

> > > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to

project

> > that

> > > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father

if 9

> > this to

> > > > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh,

you do

> > not

> > > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant

> > with

> > > > father.

> > > > >

> > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is

the

> > house for

> > > > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much

> > results.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

Father's

> > House -

> > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering

more

> > cases

> > > > to reach

> > > > > an educated conclusion.

> > > > >

> > > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection,

> > learning and

> > > > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself

indicates a

> > loving

> > > > > relationship with father.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i

> > remember

> > > > his

> > > > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of

> > father,

> > > > and 2nd

> > > > > house of family.

> > > > >

> > > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his

> > father was

> > > > > also a learned and well reputed in society.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in

9'th

> > which

> > > > > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has

given

> > similar

> > > > chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi,

she

> > has to

> > > > > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and

> > venus is

> > > > placed

> > > > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as

Sun

> > is also

> > > > > there, father still has enough land and other immovable

> > property

> > > > but in

> > > > > joint possession with his brothers.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at

14:57

> > PM, he

> > > > is a

> > > > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he

hardly

> > earns

> > > > some

> > > > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.

> > > > >

> > > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we

get

> > > > > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have

also

> > > > examined 9'th

> > > > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the

jataka, so

> > it is

> > > > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord

> > exchanging

> > > > places

> > > > > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even

> > assuming, but

> > > > not

> > > > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as

the

> > 10th

> > > > lord, so

> > > > > its good placement and the father being powerful can not

> > prove

> > > > that 10th

> > > > > bhava is for father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better

with

> > those

> > > > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show

> > that

> > > > 10th is

> > > > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the

5th

> > and yet

> > > > it is

> > > > > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th

lord

> > is

> > > > also in

> > > > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his

> > father

> > > > was very

> > > > > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with

Gandhi

> > that

> > > > Nehru

> > > > > got close to him and then became primeminister is common

> > > > knowledge. You

> > > > > may like to think about this too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

Father's

> > > > House -

> > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every

> > thing,

> > > > closing

> > > > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m

comfortable,

> > will

> > > > not

> > > > > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's

needs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for

the

> > > > father in

> > > > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun

and

> > Jup

> > > > from

> > > > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl

and

> > father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of

> > environment

> > > > with MP

> > > > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also

signifies

> > this

> > > > > > factor.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement

> > cancells

> > > > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or

5

> > > > planets are

> > > > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up

the

> > > > > > significations of the concerned house rather they have

> > become

> > > > more

> > > > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu

in

> > 11'th

> > > > and his

> > > > > > focus is on earning more and more.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has

Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu,

> > She

> > > > is

> > > > > > exceptionaly profession minded.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has

> > > > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu

> > > > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up

a

> > factory

> > > > for

> > > > > > his family members, still, working as President of His

> > group of

> > > > > > companies.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for

> > > > tomorrow's

> > > > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has

> > > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and

> > > > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his

father's

> > > > sickness

> > > > > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting

family,

> > Ravi's

> > > > case

> > > > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to

> > father's

> > > > health

> > > > > > and expenses on father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since you think you have already established that

10th

> > is for

> > > > > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any

angle

> > than

> > > > yours.

> > > > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th

lord

> > going

> > > > to 6th

> > > > > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th

are

> > in

> > > > mutual

> > > > > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to

Karaka

> > for

> > > > father

> > > > > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sure you are better informed about how

Pravrajya

> > yoga is

> > > > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in

his

> > chapter

> > > > on

> > > > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four

grahas,

> > when in

> > > > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring

Rahu

> > all

> > > > three

> > > > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so

the

> > > > grahas are

> > > > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this

> > position.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is

Father's

> > House -

> > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,

> > > > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius

> > > > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)

> > > > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)

> > > > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) +

Mars

> > > > (lagna

> > > > > > lord) + Rahu

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father,

it's

> > going to

> > > > > > 6'th house, should create differences between them,

but

> > she

> > > > shares a

> > > > > > special bond with her father , why ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th

house

> > of

> > > > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in

5'th

> > > > house of

> > > > > > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares

a

> > > > special bond

> > > > > > of love.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu,

Mars

> > and

> > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her

> > workaholic,her

> > > > life

> > > > > > is her profession and her father.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this

> > horoscope has

> > > > a

> > > > > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup

from

> > 5'th

> > > > and

> > > > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th

> > house,

> > > > which

> > > > > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of

> > father

> > > > and

> > > > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to

12'th

> > house

> > > > and

> > > > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m

very

> > clear

> > > > on my

> > > > > > findings as I do that with a vision to update

astrology to

> > the

> > > > needs

> > > > > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find

out

> > stream

> > > > of

> > > > > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or

General

> > Admin.

> > > > I got

> > > > > > clue from some classics which are not too popular but

thir

> > > > auther's

> > > > > > have done good work.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

neenu

> > > > > > <mechumla@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5

planets

> > in a

> > > > > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as

she

> > has

> > > > only 4

> > > > > > planets in 10th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have been following this thread with much

interest,

> > as the

> > > > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at

least

> > in my

> > > > naive

> > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.

> > > > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu

> > > > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury

> > > > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus

> > > > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which

> > represent

> > > > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from

10th

> > house.

> > > > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu +

Ju.

> > My

> > > > ninth

> > > > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not

have

> > the

> > > > best

> > > > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I

> > have to

> > > > > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45

days

> > living

> > > > with

> > > > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11

hrs

> > of

> > > > time

> > > > > > cumulative.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have

been

> > away

> > > > from

> > > > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home,

I

> > mostly

> > > > speak

> > > > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a

minute.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18,

I

> > did

> > > > argue

> > > > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but

anything he

> > says

> > > > I

> > > > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Neenu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@

> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

Potential

> > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

Perfection

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have

> > stated. She

> > > > > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's

daughter,

> > her

> > > > > > > > > life revolves

> > > > > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even

in her

> > > > > > > > > personal life.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she

has

> > done it

> > > > > > > > > always.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about

> > > > > > > > > pravrajya related to

> > > > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the

concept

> > better?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that

they

> > will

> > > > > > > > > give results

> > > > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to

> > acquired

> > > > > > > > > knowledge or

> > > > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But

analyzing

> > a

> > > > > > > > > chart without

> > > > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to

> > lead to

> > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some

point or

> > > > other.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is

not

> > only

> > > > > > > > > the 10th lord

> > > > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any

> > conclusions

> > > > > > > > > about whether

> > > > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be

considered for

> > > > > > > > > father, here ,

> > > > > > > > > may not be very logical.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's

> > > > > > > > > mother so it is mother

> > > > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is

also

> > occupied

> > > > > > > > > by Ketu

> > > > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics,

> > though

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter also

> > > > > > > > > aspects the 4th.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and

> > > > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

> > > > > > > > > there is

> > > > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what

> > > > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society

and

> > > > > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what

> > > > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > > indicates,

> > > > > > > > > > his position and status in society and

relationship

> > > > > > > > > with father,

> > > > > > > > > If I m

> > > > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,

> > > > > > > > > though, an afflicted and

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in

> > > > > > > > > company of - Sat,

> > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > and mars.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th

in

> > > > > > > > > this case ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,

> > > > > > > > > sometimes, in lack

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate,

but

> > > > > > > > > luckily we have

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake

> > > > > > > > > him in his hour

> > > > > > > > > of need?

> > > > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,

> > > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are

> > > > > > > > > yet to

> > > > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th

versus

> > 9th

> > > > > > > > > debate?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > > > > > > Potential

> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth

> > > > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so

> > > > > > > > > nice, this is one

> > > > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in

> > > > > > > > > ur's company.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and

> > > > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope

> > > > > > > > > that u analyzed

> > > > > > > > > some 4

> > > > > > > > > > > months back.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M

> > > > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna

> > > > > > > > > is scorpio, but she

> > > > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front,

broken

> > > > > > > > > her marriage but

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > left her job.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for

> > > > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a

> > > > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions

> > > > > > > > > given to it.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the

> > > > > > > > > confusion over both

> > > > > > > > > nature of

> > > > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives

> > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do

with

> > > > > > > > > sacrifice for

> > > > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga

> > > > > > > > > in her chart and

> > > > > > > > > she did

> > > > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's

> > > > > > > > > sake. Actually she was

> > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after

> > > > > > > > > her birth. Plus

> > > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any

other

> > > > > > > > > planets to give

> > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In

the

> > > > > > > > > case of the

> > > > > > > > > jataka

> > > > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and

> > > > > > > > > also the node and

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of

> > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> > > > > > > > > > > through.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition

> > > > > > > > > to look at the 10th

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able

> > > > > > > > > to predict right

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > > > > > > > Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -

> > > > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house

> > > > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,

> > > > > > > > > > > kindness

> > > > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties

> > > > > > > > > towards father(10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > lord, )he

> > > > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th

> > > > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th, we

> > > > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his

> > > > > > > > > duties he can leave

> > > > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very

> > > > > > > > > basic elligibility for

> > > > > > > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that

> > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed

> > > > > > > > > in 9'th and which in

> > > > > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is

> > > > > > > > > 3'rd lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > initiatives

> > > > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and

> > > > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of

> > > > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of

> > > > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper

> > > > > > > > > direction, he should do

> > > > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,

> > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is

> > > > > > > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem

> > > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both

> > > > > > > > > issues of attending to

> > > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th

> > > > > > > > > to 5th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native

> > > > > > > > > will be taking care of

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to

> > > > > > > > > consider to attend

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to

> > > > > > > > > sacrifice of his own

> > > > > > > > > > > future.In

> > > > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord

> > > > > > > > > Sriram going to

> > > > > > > > > forest

> > > > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is

> > > > > > > > > likely that during the

> > > > > > > > > > > antar

> > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to

> > > > > > > > > take to the

> > > > > > > > > recourse.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:

> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,

> > > > > > > > > 2:24 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the

> > > > > > > > > possibilities. However

> > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to

> > > > > > > > > prove some sage wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the

> > > > > > > > > principles given by

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by

> > > > > > > > > ourselves.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and

> > > > > > > > > attending to father would

> > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.

> > > > > > > > > 9th bhava after all

> > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so

> > > > > > > > > he did give up the

> > > > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the

> > > > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the

> > > > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will

> > > > > > > > > tell when he may take

> > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course

> > > > > > > > > my comments are only

> > > > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know

> > > > > > > > > anything about the person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008

> > > > > > > > > 9:31 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]

> > > > > > > > > Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing

> > > > > > > > > his MBA that he left

> > > > > > > > > > > halfway

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home

> > > > > > > > > during father's ailment.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things

> > > > > > > > > in groups is to open

> > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > > avenues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we

> > > > > > > > > developed in last few

> > > > > > > > > centuries

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to

> > > > > > > > > clssics and some other time

> > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated

> > > > > > > > > there in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > aling@

> > > > > > > > > > > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga

> > > > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be

> > > > > > > > > > > steady in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his duties?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,

> > > > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in

> > > > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5

> > > > > > > > > more planets.The sign

> > > > > > > > > > > raising

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign

> > > > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these

> > > > > > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of

> > > > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from

> > > > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up

> > > > > > > > > his mind about the

> > > > > > > > > > > girl.The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and

> > > > > > > > > tribulations in the

> > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably

> > > > > > > > > his preparedness to

> > > > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > > > > nation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9

> > > > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns

> > > > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in

> > > > > > > > > 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the

> > > > > > > > > cases only suggests that the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for

> > > > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his

> > > > > > > > > > > > ideals.where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some

> > > > > > > > > recognition and status in life

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other above average person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart

> > > > > > > > > have to support for the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,

> > > > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see

> > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either

> > > > > > > > > giving up father or

> > > > > > > > > > > duties.

> > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are

> > > > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being

> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the

> > > > > > > > > Lagna would give the

> > > > > > > > > temper,

> > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could

> > > > > > > > > locate that would

> > > > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material

> > > > > > > > > for building India. Of

> > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen

> > > > > > > > > of this country could

> > > > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his

> > > > > > > > > own duties properly

> > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them

> > > > > > > > > for him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th

> > > > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one

> > > > > > > > > am not very certain if

> > > > > > > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong

> > > > > > > > > having missed something that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008

> > > > > > > > > 10:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and

> > > > > > > > > Other Elders,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential

> > > > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building

> > > > > > > > > tomorrow's India,

> > > > > > > > > suddenly,

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good

> > > > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,

> > > > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they

> > > > > > > > > have courage and will to

> > > > > > > > > > > fight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,

> > > > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger

> > > > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no

> > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from

> > > > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per

> > > > > > > > > his query and desire, I

> > > > > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that

> > > > > > > > > before Nov 2008,

> > > > > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,

> > > > > > > > > a transformation in his

> > > > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can

> > > > > > > > > verify if Exalted and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like

> > > > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > > > > > > > > > > met

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart

> > > > > > > > > indicates, he is very

> > > > > > > > > > > handsom ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage

> > > > > > > > > to speak for the

> > > > > > > > > truth,

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for

> > > > > > > > > the society -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in

> > > > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.

> > > > > > > > > The vimshottari Period

> > > > > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006

> > > > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of

> > > > > > > > > the family, compulsation

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress

> > > > > > > > > etc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06

> > > > > > > > > January 1979

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76

> > > > > > > > > 6 E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 8, 2008

Dear Lalit,

I find you have not given the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita that you claimed says 10th bhava represents the father. Once you give that shloka, I shall certainly give my analysis of 9th bhava of Nehru.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:02 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

Sir,Pls. analyze Nehru's horoscope taking 9'th as father and tell the group what results u get.I do not twist logic, I never said that Sun in not Karaka for father, if u remeber, I said, In Nehru and the other girl's case, Sun's placement in 5'th has made a loving relationship.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > If you insist on ignoring the strength of karaka for father, Sun, to understand the status of father, that is your prerogative.> > 9th also represents the husband of younger siblings and Nehru did not have good relations with them is a known fact. > > But then as you have already decided that Uttara Kalamrita was written 1500 years back and must be the only text that must be considered as standard though many other classics do not think 10th to be the house for father, you can do so. I would however like you to quote the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita which says the 10th bhava indicates father. I would also like to know why that text calls the 9th as wealth of father if it wants to give the status of father to the 10th bhava. > > I would also like to know that when you accept Uttara Kalamrita as the standard text that overrides all else, pray why do you think Guru in the 6th does not give happiness, more so when the 6th lord occupies the 6th bhava, though Uttara Kalamrita is very clear in this regard and says that it will also increase the indications of bhava owned by it? > > I presume that now you will also like others to take Budha as karaka for father since it is karaka for the 10th bhava. I am sure people will even accept that, but being dogmatic, as you prefer to call me, I prefer to rely more on Vaidyanath, Mantreshwar, Parashara, Jaimini, Achyut, Jeevnath, Narada and also the learned author of Uttara Kalamrita when he only amplifies what has already been stated by them and other numerous acharyas and Pravartakas of Jyotish. If I am called dogmatic for that, then so be it.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Monday, October 06, 2008 11:08 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > Sir,> > Being conservative is a very good thing, refinement and enhanement is> the most conservative approach, since the world came into exitance,> new explorations have been there in the place, and only most> conservative people have been accepting every new thing, but those who> are dogmatic, they do not accept the truth, truth doesnt want any> acceptance.> > If u do not accept, you can never correct information about find one's> father, Pls. try Nehru's case, what u have to say, 9'th lord in 6'th,> afflicted by Ketu and aspected by Mars.> > Uttar Kalamrita has been written at least some 1500 yrs back, so,> 10'th being taken as Father's house is not new, I m surprised, why it> looks new to you.> > regards,> Lalit> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > I thought you were talking about some work by Mr. K. N. Rao himself> and not through his "Team". Anyway I cannot comment on what I have not> read and without looking at the charts and the logic used to prove> something.> > > > I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in accepting new> theories, but in these many years I have seen too many "New" systems> coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed to even upto 2> years under the garb of time rectification to make a chart fit a pet> theory or the author's perception of some public figure.> > > > I have seen too many times, people with a pet theory, getting a> number of charts and totally misinterpreting them to conform to their> theories, to take something that is at complete variance with what> majority of sages have stated. > > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -> 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th has too, along > > with work and fame, it signifies father.> > > > I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.> > > > I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques in Astrological > > Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his research team, mostly > > they are saying same thing that we discussed many times in group, > > but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu in 11'th and > > 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works differently than the > > dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost saying, coming very > > near the reality.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > It appears that you want everybody accept your premise that 10th > > is the house of father. If you think I am diverting, because I point > > to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your opinion.> > > > > > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which one you are > > talking about.> > > > > > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth, as > > perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.> > > > > > Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is nothing > > further to discuss.> > > > > > However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from 10th > > should show the house of father. Is this some other daylight truth > > that other astrologers are not able to see?> > > > > > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it is you > > who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have preferred > > to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father and the > > love between them. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -> > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the > > group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls. do not > > divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this mail, I > > have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a wrong > > dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri K.N Rao > > what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show courage > > and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach, this is > > in their favor only, Let's discuss - > > > > > > Lagna : Cancer with Moon> > > 2nd H : Leo with Sat> > > 3rd : Virgo with Mars> > > 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus > > > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun> > > 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup > > > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu > > > > > > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord Jup > > is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars aspects > > 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great differences > > to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know one's > > ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting reason, he > > happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house shows > > Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently overlooked > > mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status and > > palace, this is mockery of astrology.> > > > > > Now,> > > > > > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status and > > height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific aspects, > > aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is significant > > that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.> > > > > > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father, Sun the > > karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar, placement > > that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.> > > > > > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house of the > > horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there, Motilal > > Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running Venus/Merc > > dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when one is > > based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N Rao too > > overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th being 4th > > from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings in their > > theory, such an acceptance will take them to the true cause, near > > the truth ?> > > > > > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an old area > > of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house, 2nd lord > > Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio the sign > > of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of family, > > but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self efforts > > and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress and > > getting more property is certain by his own efforts. > > > > > > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how many > > truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this chart > > taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like Sri K.N Rao.> > > > > > I have already given u the list of the classics which says 10'th > > is the father's house, pls do not divert. > > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a > > strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and the > > people under discussions are successful. So why should that show > > 10th to be the house for father?> > > > > > > > That is why I thought no further progress can be made if you > > have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and 10th > > represents father.> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > litsol > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > > House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun > > combination > > > > gives accurate information about father, when i talk about > > 10'th, > > > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in that, > > I > > > > never excluded "Aspects effect" on 10'th.> > > > > > > > I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience, you > > gave > > > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like > > Amitabh's > > > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific > > aspects, where > > > > is doubt on that ?> > > > > > > > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will > > welcome > > > > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks 10'th > > doesnt > > > > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by > > Parashara > > > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in > > south > > > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other classics.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when > > in > > > > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that > > > > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes to > > the 3rd > > > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project > > that > > > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9 > > this to > > > > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do > > not > > > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant > > with > > > > father. > > > > > > > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the > > house for > > > > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much > > results.> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > litsol > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > > House - > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more > > cases > > > > to reach> > > > > an educated conclusion.> > > > > > > > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, > > learning and> > > > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a > > loving> > > > > relationship with father.> > > > > > > > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i > > remember > > > > his> > > > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of > > father, > > > > and 2nd> > > > > house of family.> > > > > > > > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his > > father was> > > > > also a learned and well reputed in society.> > > > > > > > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th > > which> > > > > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given > > similar > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she > > has to> > > > > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and > > venus is > > > > placed> > > > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun > > is also> > > > > there, father still has enough land and other immovable > > property > > > > but in> > > > > joint possession with his brothers.> > > > > > > > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 > > PM, he > > > > is a> > > > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly > > earns > > > > some> > > > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.> > > > > > > > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.> > > > > > > > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get> > > > > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also > > > > examined 9'th> > > > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the jataka, so > > it is> > > > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord > > exchanging > > > > places> > > > > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even > > assuming, but > > > > not> > > > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the > > 10th > > > > lord, so> > > > > its good placement and the father being powerful can not > > prove > > > > that 10th> > > > > bhava is for father.> > > > > >> > > > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with > > those> > > > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show > > that > > > > 10th is> > > > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th > > and yet > > > > it is> > > > > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord > > is > > > > also in> > > > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his > > father > > > > was very> > > > > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi > > that > > > > Nehru> > > > > got close to him and then became primeminister is common > > > > knowledge. You> > > > > may like to think about this too.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > > > > House -> > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every > > thing, > > > > closing> > > > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, > > will > > > > not> > > > > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the > > > > father in> > > > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and > > Jup > > > > from> > > > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and > > father.> > > > > >> > > > > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of > > environment > > > > with MP> > > > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies > > this> > > > > > factor.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement > > cancells> > > > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 > > > > planets are> > > > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the> > > > > > significations of the concerned house rather they have > > become > > > > more> > > > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu in > > 11'th > > > > and his> > > > > > focus is on earning more and more.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu, > > She > > > > is> > > > > > exceptionaly profession minded.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has > > > > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu> > > > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a > > factory > > > > for> > > > > > his family members, still, working as President of His > > group of> > > > > > companies.> > > > > >> > > > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for > > > > tomorrow's> > > > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has > > > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and> > > > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's > > > > sickness> > > > > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, > > Ravi's > > > > case> > > > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to > > father's > > > > health> > > > > > and expenses on father.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Since you think you have already established that 10th > > is for> > > > > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle > > than > > > > yours.> > > > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord > > going > > > > to 6th> > > > > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are > > in > > > > mutual> > > > > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka > > for > > > > father> > > > > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya > > yoga is> > > > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his > > chapter > > > > on> > > > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, > > when in> > > > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu > > all > > > > three> > > > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the > > > > grahas are> > > > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this > > position.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is Father's > > House -> > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,> > > > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > > > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > > > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> > > > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars > > > > (lagna> > > > > > lord) + Rahu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's > > going to> > > > > > 6'th house, should create differences between them, but > > she > > > > shares a> > > > > > special bond with her father , why ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house > > of> > > > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th > > > > house of> > > > > > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a > > > > special bond> > > > > > of love.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars > > and > > > > Rahu,> > > > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her > > workaholic,her > > > > life> > > > > > is her profession and her father.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this > > horoscope has > > > > a> > > > > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from > > 5'th > > > > and> > > > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th > > house, > > > > which> > > > > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of > > father > > > > and> > > > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th > > house > > > > and> > > > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very > > clear > > > > on my> > > > > > findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to > > the > > > > needs> > > > > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out > > stream > > > > of> > > > > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General > > Admin. > > > > I got> > > > > > clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir > > > > auther's> > > > > > have done good work.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , neenu> > > > > > <mechumla@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets > > in a> > > > > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she > > has > > > > only 4> > > > > > planets in 10th.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have been following this thread with much interest, > > as the> > > > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least > > in my > > > > naive> > > > > > understanding.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which > > represent> > > > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th > > house.> > > > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. > > My > > > > ninth> > > > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have > > the > > > > best> > > > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I > > have to> > > > > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days > > living > > > > with> > > > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs > > of > > > > time> > > > > > cumulative.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been > > away > > > > from> > > > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I > > mostly > > > > speak> > > > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I > > did > > > > argue> > > > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he > > says > > > > I> > > > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Neenu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have > > stated. She> > > > > > > > > has not> > > > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, > > her> > > > > > > > > life revolves> > > > > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > > > > > > > > personal life.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has > > done it> > > > > > > > > always.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > > > > > > > > pravrajya related to> > > > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept > > better?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they > > will> > > > > > > > > give results> > > > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to > > acquired> > > > > > > > > knowledge or> > > > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing > > a> > > > > > > > > chart without> > > > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to > > lead to> > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or > > > > other.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not > > only> > > > > > > > > the 10th lord> > > > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any > > conclusions> > > > > > > > > about whether> > > > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > > > > > > > > father, here ,> > > > > > > > > may not be very logical.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > > > > > > > mother so it is mother> > > > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also > > occupied> > > > > > > > > by Ketu> > > > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, > > though> > > > > > > > > Jupiter also> > > > > > > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > > > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > > > > > > there is> > > > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > > > > > > > > relationship> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > father.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > > > indicates,> > > > > > > > > > his position and status in society and relationship> > > > > > > > > with father,> > > > > > > > > If I m> > > > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > > > > > > > though, an afflicted and> > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > > > > > > > > company of - Sat,> > > > > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > > > and mars.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > > > > > > > > this case ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > > > > > > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > > > > > > > > luckily we have> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > > > > > > > > him in his hour> > > > > > > > > of need?> > > > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,> > > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > > > > > > yet to> > > > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus > > 9th> > > > > > > > > debate?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two> > > > > > > > > Potential> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > > > > > > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > > > > > > > ur's company.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > > > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > > > > > > > > that u analyzed> > > > > > > > > some 4> > > > > > > > > > > months back.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > > > > > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > > > > > > > > her marriage but> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > left her job.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > > > > > > > > given to it.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > > > > > > > confusion over both> > > > > > > > > nature of> > > > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > > > > > > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > > > > > > > > in her chart and> > > > > > > > > she did> > > > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > > > > > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > > > > > > left> > > > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > > > > > > > > her birth. Plus> > > > > > > > > her> > > > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > > > > > > > > planets to give> > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > > > > > > > > case of the> > > > > > > > > jataka> > > > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > > > > > > > > also the node and> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > > > > > > through.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > > > > > > > to look at the 10th> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > > > > > > > > to predict right> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > > > > > > > Two Potential> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > > > > > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > > > > > > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > > > > > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > > > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > > > > > > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > > > > > > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > > > > > > heart> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > > > > > > > direction, he should do> > > > > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > > > > > > one and> > > > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem> > > > > > > > > krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > > > > > > > issues of attending to> > > > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > > > > > > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native> > > > > > > > > will be taking care of> > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > > > > > > > > consider to attend> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > > > > > > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > > > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > > > > > > > > Sriram going to> > > > > > > > > forest> > > > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > > > > > > > likely that during the> > > > > > > > > > > antar> > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > > > > > > > > take to the> > > > > > > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,> > > > > > > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > > > > > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > > > > > > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > > > > > > > > principles given by> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > > > > > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > > > > > > > attending to father would> > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > > > > > > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so> > > > > > > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > > > > > > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > > > > > > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > > > > > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > > > > > > > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > > > > > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > > > > > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > > > > > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > > > > > > > in groups is to open> > > > > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > > > > > > developed in last few> > > > > > > > > centuries> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > > > > > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > > > > > > > there in.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > aling@> > > > > > > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > > > > > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > > > > > > raising> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > > > > > > > his mind about the> > > > > > > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > > > > > > > tribulations in the> > > > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > > > > > > > his preparedness to> > > > > > > > > assume> > > > > > > > > > > > nation> > > > > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > > > > > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > > > > > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > > > > > > recognition and status in life> > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > > > > > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > > > > > > > giving up father or> > > > > > > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > > > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the> > > > > > > > > Lagna would give the> > > > > > > > > temper,> > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > > > > > > > locate that would> > > > > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > > > > > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > > > > > > > of this country could> > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > > > > > > > own duties properly> > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > > > > > > > for him.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > > > > > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > > > > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > > > > > > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > > > > > > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > > > > > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > > > > > > suddenly,> > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > > > > > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > > > > > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > > > > > > asked> > > > > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > > > > > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > > > > > > keeping> > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > > > > > > > a transformation in his> > > > > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > > > > > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > > > > > > met> > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > > > > > > > indicates, he is very> > > > > > > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > > > > > > > to speak for the> > > > > > > > > truth,> > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > > > > > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > > > > > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > > > > > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > > > > > > > etc"> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > > > > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > > > > > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 9, 2008

Sir,

You are not supposed to do the analysis of Nehru's 9'th bhava, rather

u have to read his Father with help of 9'th and that without

distorting any other established principle, 9'th lord is afflicted

with ketu, placed in 6'th and aspected by Mars.

So, you are not going to ignore these 3 basic things.

I will put the shlokas from 5 -6 classics which said father has to be

seen from 10'th.

I m not sure, u have read them or not, perhaps, you have not read

them that's why u are not able to review ur opinion,however, in last

33 cases, ur findings about one's father was wrong, that's i

said, " Truth " doesnt need acceptance coz " Truth " works, If we dont

accept the truth, we do mistakes.

regards,

Lalit

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I find you have not given the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita that you

claimed says 10th bhava represents the father. Once you give that

shloka, I shall certainly give my analysis of 9th bhava of Nehru.

>

> Take care,

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:02 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House -

10'th/9'th : Last effort

>

> Sir,

>

> Pls. analyze Nehru's horoscope taking 9'th as father and tell the

> group what results u get.

>

> I do not twist logic, I never said that Sun in not Karaka for

> father, if u remeber, I said, In Nehru and the other girl's case,

> Sun's placement in 5'th has made a loving relationship.

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > If you insist on ignoring the strength of karaka for father,

Sun,

> to understand the status of father, that is your prerogative.

> >

> > 9th also represents the husband of younger siblings and Nehru

did

> not have good relations with them is a known fact.

> >

> > But then as you have already decided that Uttara Kalamrita was

> written 1500 years back and must be the only text that must be

> considered as standard though many other classics do not think

10th

> to be the house for father, you can do so. I would however like

you

> to quote the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita which says the 10th

bhava

> indicates father. I would also like to know why that text calls

the

> 9th as wealth of father if it wants to give the status of father

to

> the 10th bhava.

> >

> > I would also like to know that when you accept Uttara Kalamrita

as

> the standard text that overrides all else, pray why do you think

> Guru in the 6th does not give happiness, more so when the 6th

lord

> occupies the 6th bhava, though Uttara Kalamrita is very clear in

> this regard and says that it will also increase the indications

of

> bhava owned by it?

> >

> > I presume that now you will also like others to take Budha as

> karaka for father since it is karaka for the 10th bhava. I am

sure

> people will even accept that, but being dogmatic, as you prefer

to

> call me, I prefer to rely more on Vaidyanath, Mantreshwar,

> Parashara, Jaimini, Achyut, Jeevnath, Narada and also the learned

> author of Uttara Kalamrita when he only amplifies what has

already

> been stated by them and other numerous acharyas and Pravartakas

of

> Jyotish. If I am called dogmatic for that, then so be it.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Monday, October 06, 2008 11:08 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

House -

> 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> >

> > Sir,

> >

> > Being conservative is a very good thing, refinement and

> enhanement is

> > the most conservative approach, since the world came into

> exitance,

> > new explorations have been there in the place, and only most

> > conservative people have been accepting every new thing, but

> those who

> > are dogmatic, they do not accept the truth, truth doesnt want

any

> > acceptance.

> >

> > If u do not accept, you can never correct information about

find

> one's

> > father, Pls. try Nehru's case, what u have to say, 9'th lord in

> 6'th,

> > afflicted by Ketu and aspected by Mars.

> >

> > Uttar Kalamrita has been written at least some 1500 yrs back,

so,

> > 10'th being taken as Father's house is not new, I m surprised,

> why it

> > looks new to you.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit

> >

> > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > I thought you were talking about some work by Mr. K. N. Rao

> himself

> > and not through his " Team " . Anyway I cannot comment on what I

> have not

> > read and without looking at the charts and the logic used to

> prove

> > something.

> > >

> > > I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in accepting new

> > theories, but in these many years I have seen too many " New "

> systems

> > coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed to even

> upto 2

> > years under the garb of time rectification to make a chart fit

a

> pet

> > theory or the author's perception of some public figure.

> > >

> > > I have seen too many times, people with a pet theory, getting

a

> > number of charts and totally misinterpreting them to conform to

> their

> > theories, to take something that is at complete variance with

> what

> > majority of sages have stated.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

> House -

> > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th has too,

> along

> > > with work and fame, it signifies father.

> > >

> > > I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.

> > >

> > > I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques in

> Astrological

> > > Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his research team,

> mostly

> > > they are saying same thing that we discussed many times in

> group,

> > > but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu in 11'th

> and

> > > 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works differently than

the

> > > dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost saying, coming

> very

> > > near the reality.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > It appears that you want everybody accept your premise that

> 10th

> > > is the house of father. If you think I am diverting, because

I

> point

> > > to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your

opinion.

> > > >

> > > > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which one

> you are

> > > talking about.

> > > >

> > > > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth, as

> > > perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.

> > > >

> > > > Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is

> nothing

> > > further to discuss.

> > > >

> > > > However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from

10th

> > > should show the house of father. Is this some other daylight

> truth

> > > that other astrologers are not able to see?

> > > >

> > > > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it is

> you

> > > who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have

> preferred

> > > to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father

> and the

> > > love between them.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

> House -

> > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the

> > > group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls.

do

> not

> > > divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this

> mail, I

> > > have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a

> wrong

> > > dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri

> K.N Rao

> > > what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show

> courage

> > > and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach,

> this is

> > > in their favor only, Let's discuss -

> > > >

> > > > Lagna : Cancer with Moon

> > > > 2nd H : Leo with Sat

> > > > 3rd : Virgo with Mars

> > > > 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus

> > > > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun

> > > > 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup

> > > > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu

> > > >

> > > > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord

> Jup

> > > is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars

> aspects

> > > 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great

> differences

> > > to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know

> one's

> > > ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting

> reason, he

> > > happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house

shows

> > > Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently

> overlooked

> > > mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status

> and

> > > palace, this is mockery of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Now,

> > > >

> > > > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status

> and

> > > height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific

> aspects,

> > > aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is

> significant

> > > that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.

> > > >

> > > > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father,

Sun

> the

> > > karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar,

> placement

> > > that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.

> > > >

> > > > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house of

> the

> > > horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there,

> Motilal

> > > Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running

> Venus/Merc

> > > dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when

one

> is

> > > based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N

> Rao too

> > > overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th being

> 4th

> > > from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings in

> their

> > > theory, such an acceptance will take them to the true cause,

> near

> > > the truth ?

> > > >

> > > > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an old

> area

> > > of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house, 2nd

> lord

> > > Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio the

> sign

> > > of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of

> family,

> > > but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self

> efforts

> > > and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress and

> > > getting more property is certain by his own efforts.

> > > >

> > > > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how

> many

> > > truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this

> chart

> > > taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like Sri

> K.N Rao.

> > > >

> > > > I have already given u the list of the classics which says

> 10'th

> > > is the father's house, pls do not divert.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a

> > > strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and

the

> > > people under discussions are successful. So why should that

> show

> > > 10th to be the house for father?

> > > > >

> > > > > That is why I thought no further progress can be made if

> you

> > > have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and

> 10th

> > > represents father.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

> > > House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun

> > > combination

> > > > > gives accurate information about father, when i talk

about

> > > 10'th,

> > > > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in

> that,

> > > I

> > > > > never excluded " Aspects effect " on 10'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience,

> you

> > > gave

> > > > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like

> > > Amitabh's

> > > > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific

> > > aspects, where

> > > > > is doubt on that ?

> > > > >

> > > > > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will

> > > welcome

> > > > > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks

> 10'th

> > > doesnt

> > > > > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by

> > > Parashara

> > > > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in

> > > south

> > > > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other

> classics.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case

> when

> > > in

> > > > > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th

> that

> > > > > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th lord goes

> to

> > > the 3rd

> > > > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to

> project

> > > that

> > > > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father

> if 9

> > > this to

> > > > > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh,

> you do

> > > not

> > > > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being

distant

> > > with

> > > > > father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is

> the

> > > house for

> > > > > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much

> > > results.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

> Father's

> > > House -

> > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering

> more

> > > cases

> > > > > to reach

> > > > > > an educated conclusion.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection,

> > > learning and

> > > > > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself

> indicates a

> > > loving

> > > > > > relationship with father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If

i

> > > remember

> > > > > his

> > > > > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of

> > > father,

> > > > > and 2nd

> > > > > > house of family.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his

> > > father was

> > > > > > also a learned and well reputed in society.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in

> 9'th

> > > which

> > > > > > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has

> given

> > > similar

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi,

> she

> > > has to

> > > > > > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and

> > > venus is

> > > > > placed

> > > > > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as

> Sun

> > > is also

> > > > > > there, father still has enough land and other immovable

> > > property

> > > > > but in

> > > > > > joint possession with his brothers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at

> 14:57

> > > PM, he

> > > > > is a

> > > > > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he

> hardly

> > > earns

> > > > > some

> > > > > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we

> get

> > > > > > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have

> also

> > > > > examined 9'th

> > > > > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not the

> jataka, so

> > > it is

> > > > > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord

> > > exchanging

> > > > > places

> > > > > > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even

> > > assuming, but

> > > > > not

> > > > > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as

> the

> > > 10th

> > > > > lord, so

> > > > > > its good placement and the father being powerful can

not

> > > prove

> > > > > that 10th

> > > > > > bhava is for father.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better

> with

> > > those

> > > > > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not

show

> > > that

> > > > > 10th is

> > > > > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the

> 5th

> > > and yet

> > > > > it is

> > > > > > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th

> lord

> > > is

> > > > > also in

> > > > > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his

> > > father

> > > > > was very

> > > > > > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with

> Gandhi

> > > that

> > > > > Nehru

> > > > > > got close to him and then became primeminister is

common

> > > > > knowledge. You

> > > > > > may like to think about this too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

> Father's

> > > > > House -

> > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every

> > > thing,

> > > > > closing

> > > > > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m

> comfortable,

> > > will

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's

> needs.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for

> the

> > > > > father in

> > > > > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between

Sun

> and

> > > Jup

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl

> and

> > > father.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of

> > > environment

> > > > > with MP

> > > > > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also

> signifies

> > > this

> > > > > > > factor.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's

involvement

> > > cancells

> > > > > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4

or

> 5

> > > > > planets are

> > > > > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up

> the

> > > > > > > significations of the concerned house rather they

have

> > > become

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu

> in

> > > 11'th

> > > > > and his

> > > > > > > focus is on earning more and more.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has

> Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu,

> > > She

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > exceptionaly profession minded.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has

> > > > > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu

> > > > > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up

> a

> > > factory

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > his family members, still, working as President of

His

> > > group of

> > > > > > > companies.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer

for

> > > > > tomorrow's

> > > > > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has

> > > > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and

> > > > > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his

> father's

> > > > > sickness

> > > > > > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting

> family,

> > > Ravi's

> > > > > case

> > > > > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to

> > > father's

> > > > > health

> > > > > > > and expenses on father.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Since you think you have already established that

> 10th

> > > is for

> > > > > > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any

> angle

> > > than

> > > > > yours.

> > > > > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th

> lord

> > > going

> > > > > to 6th

> > > > > > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th

> are

> > > in

> > > > > mutual

> > > > > > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to

> Karaka

> > > for

> > > > > father

> > > > > > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am sure you are better informed about how

> Pravrajya

> > > yoga is

> > > > > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in

> his

> > > chapter

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four

> grahas,

> > > when in

> > > > > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring

> Rahu

> > > all

> > > > > three

> > > > > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde

so

> the

> > > > > grahas are

> > > > > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat

this

> > > position.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which is

> Father's

> > > House -

> > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,

> > > > > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius

> > > > > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)

> > > > > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)

> > > > > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) +

> Mars

> > > > > (lagna

> > > > > > > lord) + Rahu

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father,

> it's

> > > going to

> > > > > > > 6'th house, should create differences between them,

> but

> > > she

> > > > > shares a

> > > > > > > special bond with her father , why ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th

> house

> > > of

> > > > > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in

> 5'th

> > > > > house of

> > > > > > > love and affection so, this girl and her father

shares

> a

> > > > > special bond

> > > > > > > of love.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu,

> Mars

> > > and

> > > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes her

> > > workaholic,her

> > > > > life

> > > > > > > is her profession and her father.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this

> > > horoscope has

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup

> from

> > > 5'th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th

> > > house,

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house

of

> > > father

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to

> 12'th

> > > house

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m

> very

> > > clear

> > > > > on my

> > > > > > > findings as I do that with a vision to update

> astrology to

> > > the

> > > > > needs

> > > > > > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find

> out

> > > stream

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or

> General

> > > Admin.

> > > > > I got

> > > > > > > clue from some classics which are not too popular but

> thir

> > > > > auther's

> > > > > > > have done good work.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> neenu

> > > > > > > <mechumla@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5

> planets

> > > in a

> > > > > > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga,

as

> she

> > > has

> > > > > only 4

> > > > > > > planets in 10th.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have been following this thread with much

> interest,

> > > as the

> > > > > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at

> least

> > > in my

> > > > > naive

> > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.

> > > > > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu

> > > > > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury

> > > > > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus

> > > > > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which

> > > represent

> > > > > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from

> 10th

> > > house.

> > > > > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu +

> Ju.

> > > My

> > > > > ninth

> > > > > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not

> have

> > > the

> > > > > best

> > > > > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if

I

> > > have to

> > > > > > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45

> days

> > > living

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11

> hrs

> > > of

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > cumulative.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have

> been

> > > away

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call

home,

> I

> > > mostly

> > > > > speak

> > > > > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a

> minute.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-

18,

> I

> > > did

> > > > > argue

> > > > > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but

> anything he

> > > says

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Neenu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> Potential

> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have

> > > stated. She

> > > > > > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's

> daughter,

> > > her

> > > > > > > > > > life revolves

> > > > > > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even

> in her

> > > > > > > > > > personal life.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she

> has

> > > done it

> > > > > > > > > > always.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about

> > > > > > > > > > pravrajya related to

> > > > > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the

> concept

> > > better?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that

> they

> > > will

> > > > > > > > > > give results

> > > > > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to

> > > acquired

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge or

> > > > > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But

> analyzing

> > > a

> > > > > > > > > > chart without

> > > > > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely

to

> > > lead to

> > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some

> point or

> > > > > other.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is

> not

> > > only

> > > > > > > > > > the 10th lord

> > > > > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any

> > > conclusions

> > > > > > > > > > about whether

> > > > > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be

> considered for

> > > > > > > > > > father, here ,

> > > > > > > > > > may not be very logical.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's

> > > > > > > > > > mother so it is mother

> > > > > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is

> also

> > > occupied

> > > > > > > > > > by Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many

malefics,

> > > though

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter also

> > > > > > > > > > aspects the 4th.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and

> > > > > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

> > > > > > > > > > there is

> > > > > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's

know

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what

> > > > > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society

> and

> > > > > > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what

> > > > > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > > > indicates,

> > > > > > > > > > > his position and status in society and

> relationship

> > > > > > > > > > with father,

> > > > > > > > > > If I m

> > > > > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,

> > > > > > > > > > though, an afflicted and

> > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is

in

> > > > > > > > > > company of - Sat,

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > and mars.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th

> in

> > > > > > > > > > this case ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,

> > > > > > > > > > sometimes, in lack

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate,

> but

> > > > > > > > > > luckily we have

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the distinction.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or

forsake

> > > > > > > > > > him in his hour

> > > > > > > > > > of need?

> > > > > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and Guru,

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are

> > > > > > > > > > yet to

> > > > > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th

> versus

> > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > debate?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

> > > > > > > > > > Potential

> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth

> > > > > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and

so

> > > > > > > > > > nice, this is one

> > > > > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in

> > > > > > > > > > ur's company.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and

> > > > > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another

horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > that u analyzed

> > > > > > > > > > some 4

> > > > > > > > > > > > months back.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M

> > > > > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna

> > > > > > > > > > is scorpio, but she

> > > > > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front,

> broken

> > > > > > > > > > her marriage but

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > left her job.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for

> > > > > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a

> > > > > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with

exceptions

> > > > > > > > > > given to it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the

> > > > > > > > > > confusion over both

> > > > > > > > > > nature of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives

> > > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do

> with

> > > > > > > > > > sacrifice for

> > > > > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga

> > > > > > > > > > in her chart and

> > > > > > > > > > she did

> > > > > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's

> > > > > > > > > > sake. Actually she was

> > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married

after

> > > > > > > > > > her birth. Plus

> > > > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any

> other

> > > > > > > > > > planets to give

> > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In

> the

> > > > > > > > > > case of the

> > > > > > > > > > jataka

> > > > > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets

and

> > > > > > > > > > also the node and

> > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of

> > > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> > > > > > > > > > > > through.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition

> > > > > > > > > > to look at the 10th

> > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are

able

> > > > > > > > > > to predict right

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > > > > > > > > Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -

> > > > > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house

> > > > > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,

> > > > > > > > > > > > kindness

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties

> > > > > > > > > > towards father(10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord, )he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th, we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his

> > > > > > > > > > duties he can leave

> > > > > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very

> > > > > > > > > > basic elligibility for

> > > > > > > > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that

> > > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed

> > > > > > > > > > in 9'th and which in

> > > > > > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is

> > > > > > > > > > 3'rd lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > initiatives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and

> > > > > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of

> > > > > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of

> > > > > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper

> > > > > > > > > > direction, he should do

> > > > > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,

> > > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is

> > > > > > > > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem

> > > > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both

> > > > > > > > > > issues of attending to

> > > > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th

> > > > > > > > > > to 5th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the native

> > > > > > > > > > will be taking care of

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to

> > > > > > > > > > consider to attend

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to

> > > > > > > > > > sacrifice of his own

> > > > > > > > > > > > future.In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord

> > > > > > > > > > Sriram going to

> > > > > > > > > > forest

> > > > > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is

> > > > > > > > > > likely that during the

> > > > > > > > > > > > antar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to

> > > > > > > > > > take to the

> > > > > > > > > > recourse.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008,

> > > > > > > > > > 2:24 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the

> > > > > > > > > > possibilities. However

> > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to

> > > > > > > > > > prove some sage wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the

> > > > > > > > > > principles given by

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by

> > > > > > > > > > ourselves.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and

> > > > > > > > > > attending to father would

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.

> > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava after all

> > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th from 5th) so

> > > > > > > > > > he did give up the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the

> > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will

> > > > > > > > > > tell when he may take

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course

> > > > > > > > > > my comments are only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know

> > > > > > > > > > anything about the person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008

> > > > > > > > > > 9:31 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing

> > > > > > > > > > his MBA that he left

> > > > > > > > > > > > halfway

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home

> > > > > > > > > > during father's ailment.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things

> > > > > > > > > > in groups is to open

> > > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > > > avenues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we

> > > > > > > > > > developed in last few

> > > > > > > > > > centuries

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to

> > > > > > > > > > clssics and some other time

> > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated

> > > > > > > > > > there in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > aling@

> > > > > > > > > > > > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga

> > > > > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > steady in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > his duties?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,

> > > > > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in

> > > > > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5

> > > > > > > > > > more planets.The sign

> > > > > > > > > > > > raising

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign

> > > > > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these

> > > > > > > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of

> > > > > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from

> > > > > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up

> > > > > > > > > > his mind about the

> > > > > > > > > > > > girl.The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and

> > > > > > > > > > tribulations in the

> > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably

> > > > > > > > > > his preparedness to

> > > > > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > > > > > nation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9

> > > > > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns

> > > > > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th

> > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in

> > > > > > > > > > 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the

> > > > > > > > > > cases only suggests that the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for

> > > > > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ideals.where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some

> > > > > > > > > > recognition and status in life

> > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > other above average person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart

> > > > > > > > > > have to support for the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,

> > > > > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see

> > > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either

> > > > > > > > > > giving up father or

> > > > > > > > > > > > duties.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are

> > > > > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the

> > > > > > > > > > Lagna would give the

> > > > > > > > > > temper,

> > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could

> > > > > > > > > > locate that would

> > > > > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material

> > > > > > > > > > for building India. Of

> > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen

> > > > > > > > > > of this country could

> > > > > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his

> > > > > > > > > > own duties properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them

> > > > > > > > > > for him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th

> > > > > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one

> > > > > > > > > > am not very certain if

> > > > > > > > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong

> > > > > > > > > > having missed something that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please elaborate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008

> > > > > > > > > > 10:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and

> > > > > > > > > > Other Elders,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential

> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building

> > > > > > > > > > tomorrow's India,

> > > > > > > > > > suddenly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good

> > > > > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,

> > > > > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they

> > > > > > > > > > have courage and will to

> > > > > > > > > > > > fight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,

> > > > > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger

> > > > > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from

> > > > > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per

> > > > > > > > > > his query and desire, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that

> > > > > > > > > > before Nov 2008,

> > > > > > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,

> > > > > > > > > > a transformation in his

> > > > > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can

> > > > > > > > > > verify if Exalted and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like

> > > > > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > > > > > > > > > > > met

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart

> > > > > > > > > > indicates, he is very

> > > > > > > > > > > > handsom ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage

> > > > > > > > > > to speak for the

> > > > > > > > > > truth,

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for

> > > > > > > > > > the society -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in

> > > > > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.

> > > > > > > > > > The vimshottari Period

> > > > > > > > > > goes

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006

> > > > > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of

> > > > > > > > > > the family, compulsation

> > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress

> > > > > > > > > > etc "

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06

> > > > > > > > > > January 1979

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

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October 9, 2008

Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji,

Some One thinks that Classics fall short of explaining certaing issues and try to meddle and make some vague approaches and would like also to generalise for all other purposes.

Infact Shri K.N.Rao and team work very much on Classics and have deliberated b4 coming up with differentAyanamsa and also his views defering with late B.V.Raman.Perhaps in dasa analysis,probably he depends on Kalchakra dasa apart from Vimsottari.Never ofcourse has any differentopinion about bhavas and significance of signs.

Infact his published published never uttered any single word against them.

So You true and correct to make any comment without properlu understanding the matter

vrkrishnan--- On Sun, 10/5/08, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekharRe: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effortVedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Sunday, October 5, 2008, 1:53 PM

Dear Lalit,

I thought you were talking about some work by Mr. K. N. Rao himself and not through his "Team". Anyway I cannot comment on what I have not read and without looking at the charts and the logic used to prove something.

I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in accepting new theories, but in these many years I have seen too many "New" systems coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed to even upto 2 years under the garb of time rectification to make a chart fit a pet theory or the author's perception of some public figure.

I have seen too many times, people with a pet theory, getting a number of charts and totally misinterpreting them to conform to their theories, to take something that is at complete variance with what majority of sages have stated.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

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litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM

[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

Dear Sir,Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th has too, along with work and fame, it signifies father.I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques in Astrological Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his research team, mostly they are saying same thing that we discussed many times in group, but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu in 11'th and 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works differently than the dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost saying, coming very near the reality.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > It appears that you want everybody accept your premise that 10th

is the house of father. If you think I am diverting, because I point to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your opinion.> > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which one you are talking about.> > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth, as perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.> > Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is nothing further to discuss.> > However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from 10th should show the house of father. Is this some other daylight truth that other astrologers are not able to see?> > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it is you who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have preferred to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father and the love between them. > > Chandrashekhar>

> > > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Which is Father's House -10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > Dear Sir,> > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls. do not divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this mail, I have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a wrong dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri K.N Rao what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show courage and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach, this is in their favor only, Let's

discuss - > > Lagna : Cancer with Moon> 2nd H : Leo with Sat> 3rd : Virgo with Mars> 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun> 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu > > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord Jup is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars aspects 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great differences to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know one's ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting reason, he happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house shows Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently overlooked mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status and palace, this is mockery of astrology.> > Now,> > Why 10'th signifies father, recall

Motilal Nehru's status and height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific aspects, aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is significant that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.> > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father, Sun the karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar, placement that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.> > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th house of the horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is there, Motilal Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was running Venus/Merc dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, but when one is based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, Sri K. N Rao too overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in 12'th being 4th from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept shortcomings in their theory, such an acceptance will take them to the

true cause, near the truth ?> > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living in an old area of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious house, 2nd lord Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on scorpio the sign of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial position of family, but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house of self efforts and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's progress and getting more property is certain by his own efforts. > > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light truth, how many truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. analyze this chart taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess like Sri K.N Rao.> > I have already given u the list of the classics which says 10'th is the father's house, pls do not divert. > > regards,> Lalit.> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th indicating a strong father, you forget that it is also karma sthana and the people under discussions are successful. So why should that show 10th to be the house for father?> > > > That is why I thought no further progress can be made if you have made up your mind that all the classics are wrong and 10th represents father.> > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Which is Father's House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > I have given cases after cases to show how 10'th and Sun combination > > gives accurate information about father, when i talk about 10'th, > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are included in that, I > > never excluded "Aspects effect" on 10'th.> > > > I m not here to make up a false mind for my convenience, you gave > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive case like Amitabh's > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by benific aspects, where > > is doubt on that ?> > > > It's good to accept the truth after testifying it, I will welcome

> > more testing from ur side or from any body who thinks 10'th doesnt > > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is initated by Parashara > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash (written in south > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many other classics.> > > > regards,> > Lalit> > > > should be pls. do not question my understandings of basics> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in Nehru's case when in > > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord in the 5th that > > showed affection for

father? Here when the 10th lord goes to the 3rd > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you wanted to project that > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity with father if 9 this to > > be considered as the house for father now with Amitabh, you do not > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show being distant with > > father. > > > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that 10th is the house for > > father. So carrying these discussions may not yield much results.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > >

Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Which is Father's House - > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and considering more cases > > to reach> > > an educated conclusion.> > > > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and affection, learning and> > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement itself indicates a loving> > > relationship with father.> > > > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting case, If i remember > > his> > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects 10'th house of father, > > and 2nd> > > house of family.> > > > >

> Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in 6'th, so, his father was> > > also a learned and well reputed in society.> > > > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's placement in 9'th which> > > should denote expenses as part of duty towards, has given similar > > chart.> > > > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, New Delhi, she has to> > > support his father and family, her's is a Libra asc and venus is > > placed> > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in 10 but as Sun is also> > > there, father still has enough land and other immovable property > > but in> > > joint possession with his brothers.> > > > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag (karnataka) at 14:57 PM, he > > is a> > >

saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in 9'th, he hardly earns > > some> > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 to parents.> > > > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his case.> > > > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's combination we get> > > straightforward explanation regarding father, we have also > > examined 9'th> > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > The 5th lord

represents the progeny and not the jataka, so it is> > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th lord exchanging > > places> > > leading to bond between the jataka and father, even assuming, but > > not> > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to represent father.> > > >> > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka as well as the 10th > > lord, so> > > its good placement and the father being powerful can not prove > > that 10th> > > bhava is for father.> > > >> > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the chart better with those> > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example does not show that > > 10th is> > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet > > it is> > >

not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is > > also in> > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his father. That his father > > was very> > > powerful man and it is only through his contacts with Gandhi that > > Nehru> > > got close to him and then became primeminister is common > > knowledge. You> > > may like to think about this too.> > > >> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Which is

Father's > > House -> > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open for every thing, > > closing> > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i m comfortable, will > > not> > > > help objective of updating the astrology to today's needs.> > > >> > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the karaka for the > > father in> > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange between Sun and Jup > > from> > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond between girl and father.> > > >> > > > Father is well placed and a director of dept of environment > > with MP> > > > Govt,

exchange exchange between Sun and Jup also signifies this> > > > factor.> > > >> > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's involvement cancells> > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group where 4 or 5 > > planets are> > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have not given up the> > > > significations of the concerned house rather they have become > > more> > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more worldy :> > > >> > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has Sun+Sat+Jup+ Rahu in 11'th > > and his> > > > focus is on earning more and more.> > > >> > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has Jup+Mars+Sat+ Rahu, She > > is> > > > exceptionaly profession minded.>

> > >> > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd house has > > Venus+Merc+Sun+ Rahu> > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for setting up a factory > > for> > > > his family members, still, working as President of His group of> > > > companies.> > > >> > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a contributer for > > tomorrow's> > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+ Merc+Rahu and> > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his duties, his father's > > sickness> > > > has finishe all the savings and he is supporting family, Ravi's > > case> > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but refers to father's > > health> > > > and expenses on

father.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > Since you think you have already established that 10th is for> > > > father, you will not like to see the chart from any angle than > > yours.> > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out that 9th lord going > > to 6th> > > > does not indicate clashes with father as 6th and 9th are in > > mutual> > > > square. You do not seem to give any weightage to Karaka

for > > father> > > > and are free to take your own view of the matter.> > > > >> > > > > I am sure you are better informed about how Pravrajya yoga is> > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that Parashara in his chapter > > on> > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than four grahas, when in> > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused. Barring Rahu all > > three> > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always retrograde so the > > grahas are> > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics repeat this position.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ->

> > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Which is Father's House -> > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > >> > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> > > > >> > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,> > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th lord)> > > > > 10'th : Sat

(3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup (5'th lord) + Mars > > (lagna> > > > lord) + Rahu> > > > >> > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for father, it's going to> > > > 6'th house, should create differences between them, but she > > shares a> > > > special bond with her father , why ?> > > > >> > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is in 10'th house of> > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is placed in 5'th > > house of> > > > love and affection so, this girl and her father shares a > > special bond> > > > of love.> > > > >> > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has Jup, Satu, Mars and > > Rahu,> > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination makes

her workaholic,her > > life> > > > is her profession and her father.> > > > >> > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly placed, this horoscope has > > a> > > > clue for that also, same exhange between Sun and Jup from 5'th > > and> > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> > > > >> > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has gone to 6'th house, > > which> > > > is a prime cause of having differences with ur father.> > > > >> > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is the house of father > > and> > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, similar to 12'th house > > and> > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for confusion. I m very clear

> > on my> > > > findings as I do that with a vision to update astrology to the > > needs> > > > of this age, recently, I have done good work to find out stream > > of> > > > management - Investment, Finance, Marketting, or General Admin. > > I got> > > > clue from some classics which are not too popular but thir > > auther's> > > > have done good work.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >

>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, neenu> > > > <mechumla@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if there are 5 planets in a> > > > house. So how does this girl native have that yoga, as she has > > only 4> > > > planets in 10th.> > > > > >> > > > > > I have been following this thread with much interest, as the> > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to mine, at least in

my > > naive> > > > understanding.> > > > > >> > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + ra> > > > > >> > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, Su which represent> > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is 9th from 10th house.> > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected by Rahu + Ju. My > > ninth> > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and did not have the > >

best> > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight years if I have to> > > > literally calculate, I have only spent about 40-45 days living > > with> > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more then 10-11 hrs of > > time> > > > cumulative.> > > > > >> > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, as I have been away > > from> > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do call home, I mostly > > speak> > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go beyond a minute.> > > > > >> > > > > > But even when I was at home from the age of 10-18, I did > > argue> > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, but anything he says > > I> > > >

interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not liking it.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Neenu> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol litsol@> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:52 AM> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > >

> > > >> > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what you have stated. She> > > > > > > has not> > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a Dad's daughter, her> > > > > > > life revolves> > > > > > > around her father and she follows her dad even in her> > > > > > > personal life.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father asks, she has done it> > > > > > > always.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my question about> > > > > > > pravrajya related to> > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not clarify the concept better?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord indicates that they will> > > > > > > give results> > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be related to acquired> >

> > > > > knowledge or> > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher studies. But analyzing a> > > > > > > chart without> > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more than likely to lead to> > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > inferences being drawn than confirming some point or > > other.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this case Sun is not only> > > > > > > the 10th lord> > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming to any conclusions> > > > > > > about whether> > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be considered for> > > > > > > father, here ,> > > > > >

> may not be very logical.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the Jataka's> > > > > > > mother so it is mother> > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the 4th is also occupied> > > > > > > by Ketu> > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many malefics, though> > > > > > > Jupiter also> > > > > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 5:45 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two> > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, and> > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > > > > there is> > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, pls. let's know> > > > > > > -> > > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's house, what> > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status in society and> > > > > > > relationship> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > father.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's house, what> > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > indicates,> > > > > > > > his position and status in society and relationship> > > > > > > with father,> > > > > > > If I m> > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th house,> > > > > > > though, an afflicted

and> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. That guru is in> > > > > > > company of - Sat,> > > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > and mars.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of Pravajya in 10'th in> > > > > > > this case ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the confusion forever,> > > > > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories cireculate, but> > > > > > > luckily we have> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the

distinction.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her father or forsake> > > > > > > him in his hour> > > > > > > of need?> > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just begun and

Guru,> > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > > > > yet to> > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove the 10th versus 9th> > > > > > > debate?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 3:50 PM> > > > > >

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two> > > > > > > Potential> > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so cool and so> > > > > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, living in> > > > > > > ur's company.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of 10'th and> > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> >

> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have another horoscope> > > > > > > that u analyzed> > > > > > > some 4> > > > > > > > > months back.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, 0.20 A.M> > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th bhava, lagna> > > > > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job front, broken> > > > > > > her marriage but> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > left her job.> > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much oomph for> > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with exceptions> > > > > > > given to it.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will settle the> > > > > > > confusion over both> > > > > > > nature of> > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house forever.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th together gives> > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has nothing to do with> > > > > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has similar yoga> > > > > > > in her chart and> > >

> > > > she did> > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her father's> > > > > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > > > > left> > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents married after> > > > > > > her birth. Plus> > > > > > > her> > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th without any other> > > > > > > planets to give> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the results. In the> > > > > > > case of the> > > > > > > jataka> > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those planets and> > > > > > > also the node and> > > >

> > > that> > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > > > > through.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your proposition> > > > > > > to look at the 10th> > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if you are able> > > > > > > to predict right> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as such.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, 2008 8:14 PM> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re:> > > > > > > Two Potential> > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it this way -> > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the house> > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his duties> > > > > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > >

> > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed that for his> > > > > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives him very> > > > > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. note that> > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU is placed> > > > > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > > > > turn> > > >

> > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more evident is> > > > > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th and> > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > > > > heart> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe Suhaga !!> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, proper> > > > > > > direction, he should do> > > > > > >

every> > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his matribhumi coz,> > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > > > > one and> > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, vattem> > > > > > > krishnan> > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought out both> > > > > > > issues of attending to> > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is also from 5th> > > > > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances, the native> > > > > > > will be taking care of> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga makes him to> > > > > > > consider to attend> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > father as more important leading to> > > > > >

> sacrifice of his own> > > > > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition like Lord> > > > > > > Sriram going to> > > > > > > forest> > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to Bharata.it is> > > > > > > likely that during the> > > > > > > > > antar> > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be arising to> > > > > > > take to the> > > > > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08,

Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > Re:> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday,

September 24, 2008,> > > > > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in exploring the> > > > > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are trying to> > > > > > > prove some sage wrong>

> > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using most of the> > > > > > > principles given by> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new system by> > > > > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA and> > > > > > > attending to father would> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava indications.> > > > > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > represent higher

studies (5th from 5th) so> > > > > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava and the> > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha which will> > > > > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. Of course> > > > > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not know> > > > > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.>

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 24, 2008> > > > > > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing]> > > > > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari> > > > > > > Perfection> >

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy was doing> > > > > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at home> > > > > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many things> > > > > > > in groups is to open> > > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > > avenues>

> > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > > > > developed in last few> > > > > > > centuries> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back to> > > > > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is stated> > > > > > > there in.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > >

> Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > aling@> > > > > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya yoga> > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > >

Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon in> > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with Rahu and 5> > > > > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > > > > raising> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd sign> > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > >

> > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen from> > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have made up> > > > > > > his mind about the> > > > > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all trials and> > > > > > > tribulations in the> > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground probably> > > > > > > his preparedness to> > > > > > > assume> > > > > > > > > >

nation> > > > > > > > > > > building character is very distant.> > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 and 9> > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and saturns> > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th lord in> > > > > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both the> > > > > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare for> > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his>

> > > > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > > > > recognition and status in life> > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both chart> > > > > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native in life.> > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > >

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could indicate either> > > > > > > giving up father or> > > > > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but they are> > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting the>

> > > > > > Lagna would give the> > > > > > > temper,> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you could> > > > > > > locate that would> > > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right material> > > > > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every citizen> > > > > > > of this country could> > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he does his> > > > > > > own duties

properly> > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to do them> > > > > > > for him.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the 5th> > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I for one> > > > > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please

elaborate.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, 2008> > > > > > > 10:13

PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and> > > > > > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for building> > > > > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > > > > suddenly,> > > > > >

> > > I> > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact with good> > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families but they> > > > > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally brilliant,> > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no> >

> > > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a lot from> > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and as per> > > > > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > > > > asked> > > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age and that> > > > > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > > > > keeping> > > > > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, I see,> > > > > > > a transformation in his> > > > >

> > > > post> > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders see -> > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you can> > > > > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > > > > met> > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the chart> > > > > >

> indicates, he is very> > > > > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown courage> > > > > > > to speak for the> > > > > > > truth,> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a contributor for> > > > > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the shop.> > > > > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > like> > > >

> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, disintegration of> > > > > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep distress> > > > > > > etc"> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth :

Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N Longitude : 76> > > > > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >

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October 9, 2008

Krishnan Sir,

Right from Parashara there has been dual opinion, however, 9'th is

father got popularity but failed in real sense and Sanketa

Nidhi,Shambu Hora Prakash, Jatak Tatwa, Jataka Bharanam, Bhava

Kautuhulam, Phalit Vikas are the 6 classics which clearly says father

should be read from 10'th. I will post all shlokas to group.

Sarawali has not said anything on father, Sarvarth Chintamani

considers 10'th as father's house when it discusses if native will be

able to attend funeral ceremony of his father or not.

I have said, 10'th + Sun should be seen for father, I have said, 9'th

shows, expenses of wealth and duty done towards father if lagna lord

goes to 9'th, It's my insight and practially found fact.

Today, I have found supporting shloka also stating one to become

PitraBhakta.

Chandrashekhar Ji's concept of pravajya which seems he generalized

and extended the concept always failes, What to tell more, Changez

Khan has 6 planets in his 3rd house, where was pravajya in his case ?

Rahu's assocatino cancels Pravajya, Pravajya should be seen from

lagna and 10'th only. for other places, there are other set of rules.

Have u not seen, in all the cases like - Ravi the guy with 5 planets

in 9'th, the scorpio girl with 4 planets in 10'th, Pt Nehru's case

given by Chandrashekhar Ji himself, 9'th + Sun doesnt work but 10'th

house plus Sun combo always work.

Why u urself dont examine Nehru's case and explore the truth.

I m going to write a mail to K.N Rao about this issue stating, he has

mistaken all his life reading one's father info from 9'th. Infact not

a single time 9'th as father explains how's one's father.

I m not a stupid who likes to make his own fun, If something is not

realized by K.N Rao or BV Raman or by any classic writer doesnt mean

will never be realized by any one else.

I have not replied to Chandrashekhar Ji's remarks, because I learnt

basics from him, and I have respect for him, I have great respect for

Sri K.N Rao, but, Sri K.N Rao is not the end of the knowledge, He is

still exploring, why we dont learn from him about how to learn, See,

unlike the crowd of millions, I studied dozens of purans before I

reached class 10'th including Ramcharit Manas and by my Graduation, I

had completed 8 upnishads and i cleared preliminary Indina Civil

Services exam with Indian History, If net world doesnt not enough

knowledge base, should listen peacefully what they are told.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Chandrashekhar ji,

> Some One thinks that Classics fall short of explaining certaing

issues and try to meddle and make some vague approaches and would

like also to generalise for all other purposes.

> Infact Shri K.N.Rao and team work very much on Classics and have

deliberated b4 coming up with differentAyanamsa and also his views

defering with late B.V.Raman.Perhaps in dasa analysis,probably he

depends on Kalchakra dasa apart from Vimsottari.Never ofcourse has

any differentopinion about bhavas and significance of signs.

> Infact his published published never uttered any single word

against them.

> So You true and correct to make any comment without properlu

understanding the matter

> vrkrishnan

>

> --- On Sun, 10/5/08, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

wrote:

>

> Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar

> Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Sunday, October 5, 2008, 1:53 PM

>

Dear Lalit,

>

> I thought you were talking about some work by Mr. K. N. Rao himself

and not through his " Team " . Anyway I cannot comment on what I have

not read and without looking at the charts and the logic used to

prove something.

>

> I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in accepting new

theories, but in these many years I have seen too many " New " systems

coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed to even upto 2

years under the garb of time rectification to make a chart fit a pet

theory or the author's perception of some public figure.

>

> I have seen too many times, people with a pet theory, getting a

number of charts and totally misinterpreting them to conform to their

theories, to take something that is at complete variance with what

majority of sages have stated.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM

> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Which is Father's House -

10'th/9'th : Last effort

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th has too, along

> with work and fame, it signifies father.

>

> I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.

>

> I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques in Astrological

> Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his research team, mostly

> they are saying same thing that we discussed many times in group,

> but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu in 11'th and

> 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works differently than the

> dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost saying, coming very

> near the reality.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > It appears that you want everybody accept your premise that 10th

> is the house of father. If you think I am diverting, because I

point

> to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is your opinion.

> >

> > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing which one you

are

> talking about.

> >

> > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight truth, as

> perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.

> >

> > Since you already think I will land in a mess, there is nothing

> further to discuss.

> >

> > However you may like to throw light on why the 5th from 10th

> should show the house of father. Is this some other daylight truth

> that other astrologers are not able to see?

> >

> > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic when it is you

> who have chosen not to answer the points raised and have preferred

> to go off tangent about the size of house of Nehru's father and the

> love between them.

> >

> > Chandrashekhar

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Which is Father's House -

> 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture before the

> group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's horoscope, Pls. do not

> divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house in this mail, I

> have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will see how a wrong

> dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this happens to Sri K.N

Rao

> what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have to show courage

> and willingness to consider shortcomings in their approach, this is

> in their favor only, Let's discuss -

> >

> > Lagna : Cancer with Moon

> > 2nd H : Leo with Sat

> > 3rd : Virgo with Mars

> > 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus

> > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun

> > 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup

> > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu

> >

> > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, 9'th lord Jup

> is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, Mars aspects

> 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying great

differences

> to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo to know one's

> ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a fitting reason,

he

> happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th house shows

> Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he conveniently

overlooked

> mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating father's status and

> palace, this is mockery of astrology.

> >

> > Now,

> >

> > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal Nehru's status and

> height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 benific aspects,

> aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is significant

> that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.

> >

> > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's father, Sun the

> karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, similar,