Study of Family Deterioration : 10'th House, Nehru and Father

October 14, 2008

Dear Sir,In order to rejects the truth you will have to change the history of nehru and his father, Nehru has clearly expressed he has resigned from congress in 1923 - 24 when his father also resigned, so there is no point in saying that father left son's party and there was difference bewteen them.

Let's dissect the shloka of uttarkalamrita quoted by you says, as per you - {Adhyaaya 5 part of shloka 17 that indicates the indications of the 9thbhava: "puSTiH sajjana saMgatiH shubh pitrusvaputraputrystathaa}

pitrusva = father's own, putra putry stathaa - son and daughter, that means, native's father's son and daughters, i.e, native's sibling, which is logical as 9'th is 7'th to 3rd house of siblings.You also said - {So pray throw some light on why does Shambhuprakash hora say that when Sun is in10th one gets wealth from the Father,and so on, at shloka 213?}Let's get back to base, from the shloka no 205, Shambhu Hora Prakash discusses livelihood and help given for native's livelihood by his relative with the help of planets placed in 10'th house.the shloka no 205 is - "Sutau Lgnad Ambare yo Baliyaan Vrittirnunam tasya Khetasya Vrityaha"

then in shloka no 208, it says - "Lagnen Endyutau (Lagna or from Moon) Dinakarau (Sun) Amabrgo Narasay (goes to 10'th) Dravyaagamam cha Vividho Udyam Vrittiyogat (will get monetary gains from lots of activities.

Now, after discussing the source , now, he comes to discover, who helps the native in getting wealth or livelihood, he says, If Sun's dasha the father helps in Sun is placed in 10'th, if Moon is placed in 10'th, mother helps, if Mercury is placed in 10'th friends etc.

The shloka is - "Suryadi bhir Gagan(10'th) Gais Tanauto ( goes from Lagna, tanu = lagna) ....... Arthagmastu janakascha tatha jananyah ...."

Sir, I have requested you to pls. keep consistancey in the discussion, me and people look at you with request, if u present broken references with split and confusing meaning of the shlokas , the authenticity will be questioned.It's not only you, nobody has inputs to add for 9'th house as father's house coz truth denies it, nehru's case was given by you, not by me and 9'th is father, this theory has failed in this case given by you as well as in all other cases discussed in group

October 14, 2008

Dear Lalit,

I have no desire to enter into endless arguments. However it might interest you to know that "Sva" has been interpreted as wealth by many learned Sanskrit scholars including Bhattotpal, the venerated translator of Brihat Jataka and author of other jyotish classics.

You have already decided to be judge Jury and the advocate for 10th representing the father, relegating many acharyas and Pravartakas to the category of being ignoramus in Jyotish, and therefore no purpose is going to be served in further arguments.

Chandrashekhar.

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:26 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Study of Family Deterioration : 10'th House, Nehru and Father

Dear Sir,In order to rejects the truth you will have to change the history of nehru and his father, Nehru has clearly expressed he has resigned from congress in 1923 - 24 when his father also resigned, so there is no point in saying that father left son's party and there was difference bewteen them.

Let's dissect the shloka of uttarkalamrita quoted by you says, as per you - {Adhyaaya 5 part of shloka 17 that indicates the indications of the 9thbhava: "puSTiH sajjana saMgatiH shubh pitrusvaputraputrystathaa}

pitrusva = father's own, putra putry stathaa - son and daughter, that means, native's father's son and daughters, i.e, native's sibling, which is logical as 9'th is 7'th to 3rd house of siblings.You also said - {So pray throw some light on why does Shambhuprakash hora say that when Sun is in10th one gets wealth from the Father,and so on, at shloka 213?}Let's get back to base, from the shloka no 205, Shambhu Hora Prakash discusses livelihood and help given for native's livelihood by his relative with the help of planets placed in 10'th house.the shloka no 205 is - "Sutau Lgnad Ambare yo Baliyaan Vrittirnunam tasya Khetasya Vrityaha"

then in shloka no 208, it says - "Lagnen Endyutau (Lagna or from Moon) Dinakarau (Sun) Amabrgo Narasay (goes to 10'th) Dravyaagamam cha Vividho Udyam Vrittiyogat (will get monetary gains from lots of activities.

Now, after discussing the source and he comes to who helps the native in getting wealth or livelihood, he says, in Sun's dasha the father helps in Sun is placed in 10'th, if Moon is placed in 10'th, mother helps, if Mercury is placed in 10'th friends etc.

The shloka is - "Suryadi bhir Gagan(10'th) Gais Tanauto ( goes from Lagna, tanu = lagna) ....... Arthagmastu janakascha tatha jananyah ...."

Sir, I have requested you to pls. keep consistancey in the discussion, me and people look at you with request, if u present broken references with split and confusing meaning of the shlokas , the authenticity will be questioned.It's not only you, nobody has inputs to add for 9'th house as father's house coz truth denies it, nehru's case was given by you, not by me and 9'th is father, this theory has failed in this case given by you as well as in all other cases discussed in group

October 15, 2008

Dear Sir,

Few incorrect things have been in practise since thousands years, If

we go by " Sanskrit Pada Anvaya " , SVA can never be wealth, sva means,

own portion, like " Sva-Ayam " = Me, " Sva ADhyaya " = Self Study, " Sva

Jana " = Own People, similarly " Pitur Sva " = Father's own but what ?

Next term makes sense to that - " PutraPutrisha " = Sons and Daughters.

I m trully suprised, why corrective measures have been not taken in

last thousand years, Jyotish depricated to blind belief coz we failed

to formulate confirmed rules.

I was expecting mr. pradeep will give list of the sages who said 9'th

is father's house, however, no list came. Truth is no sage has said

9'th is father's house except for some internet based today's sages,

those who are running their schools on net.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I have no desire to enter into endless arguments. However it might

interest you to know that " Sva " has been interpreted as wealth by

many learned Sanskrit scholars including Bhattotpal, the venerated

translator of Brihat Jataka and author of other jyotish classics.

>

> You have already decided to be judge Jury and the advocate for 10th

representing the father, relegating many acharyas and Pravartakas to

the category of being ignoramus in Jyotish, and therefore no purpose

is going to be served in further arguments.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:26 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Study of Family

Deterioration : 10'th House, Nehru and Father

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> In order to rejects the truth you will have to change the history

of nehru and his father, Nehru has clearly expressed he has resigned

from congress in 1923 - 24 when his father also resigned, so there is

no point in saying that father left son's party and there was

difference bewteen them.

>

> Let's dissect the shloka of uttarkalamrita quoted by you says, as

per you -

>

> {Adhyaaya 5 part of shloka 17 that indicates the indications of

the 9th

> bhava: " puSTiH sajjana saMgatiH shubh pitrusvaputraputrystathaa}

>

> pitrusva = father's own, putra putry stathaa - son and daughter,

that means, native's father's son and daughters, i.e, native's

sibling, which is logical as 9'th is 7'th to 3rd house of siblings.

>

> You also said - {So pray throw some light on why does

Shambhuprakash hora say that when Sun is in10th one gets wealth from

the Father,and so on, at shloka 213?}

>

> Let's get back to base, from the shloka no 205, Shambhu Hora

Prakash discusses livelihood and help given for native's livelihood

by his relative with the help of planets placed in 10'th house.

>

> the shloka no 205 is - " Sutau Lgnad Ambare yo Baliyaan

Vrittirnunam tasya Khetasya Vrityaha "

>

> then in shloka no 208, it says - " Lagnen Endyutau (Lagna or from

Moon) Dinakarau (Sun) Amabrgo Narasay (goes to 10'th) Dravyaagamam

cha Vividho Udyam Vrittiyogat (will get monetary gains from lots of

activities.

>

> Now, after discussing the source and he comes to who helps the

native in getting wealth or livelihood, he says, in Sun's dasha the

father helps in Sun is placed in 10'th, if Moon is placed in 10'th,

mother helps, if Mercury is placed in 10'th friends etc.

>

> The shloka is - " Suryadi bhir Gagan(10'th) Gais Tanauto ( goes

from Lagna, tanu = lagna) ....... Arthagmastu janakascha tatha

jananyah .... "

>

> Sir, I have requested you to pls. keep consistancey in the

discussion, me and people look at you with request, if u present

broken references with split and confusing meaning of the shlokas ,

the authenticity will be questioned.

>

> It's not only you, nobody has inputs to add for 9'th house as

father's house coz truth denies it, nehru's case was given by you,

not by me and 9'th is father, this theory has failed in this case

given by you as well as in all other cases discussed in group.

>

> -- > I dont know how many of us has studied family's

deterioration, I have been going through the horoscope various

generations of families and found deterioration begins with the

person who gets Rahu in 2nd house, may be there are other

significations too but this is the one u can always rely. And if the

person is eldest born in family, he dosnt able to keep the family

lineage on track.

>

> --> And finally, what's the house of acceptibility of the truth,

I have been immersed in deep thoughts and what i come to know is it's

the 7'th house, which should be seen to know how much one is

receptive of the truth. if there is concentration of malific planets

in 7'th, natives dont easily accept the truth.

>

> We can judge above two points in the light of the facts.

>

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > If you think nobody in the world can justify their perception

of relations between Nehru and his father, as against their relations

etc.,based on the 9th being the bhava for father and Sun being the

Karaka for father. So be it. I have no wish to wash the dirty linens

of the Nehru family on the list to explain why the 9th does explain

his father better. So I have no inputs to add.

> >

> > However please do not expect me to treat 10th bhava as the

bhava for father.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Monday, October 13, 2008 7:53 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: History -> Nehru :

10'th House and Father in Classics

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > You are the Guru of the group, the most learned and experienced

among

> > members, your view on what house signifies father is in fact a

legacy

> > view and why i interacted with you was just for the reason that

if u

> > come to the approving stage, will be good for astrology.

> >

> > With 9'th house for father nobody in world can analyze Nehru's

> > horoscope to know what kind of father he had and what kind of

> > relationship they had. Nehru criticized Gandhi but Never

criticized his

> > father, and not only Nehru, in all 4 - 5 cases, 9'th lord

dictum has

> > failed.

> >

> > Sages have explored truth in their whole life and if we also

reveal

> > truth, we are following their path and my argument is only

based on

> > truth and only on truth. I wish to close all such confusions so

that

> > next generation can have a clean clear and confirmed astrology

in their

> > hand, I will end all the myths that one can not learn astrology

in a

> > life time etc.

> >

> > So, the matter is decided that 10'th house + Sun signifies the

father.

> > Now, we will explore why one get's wealth from father, if sun

is placed

> > in 10'th.

> >

> > We are bound to inherit something or the other from father, if

not more,

> > at least a genetic inheritance is always there, If Sun is

there, means

> > father is capable fatherly figure and he will obviously give

his best to

> > his child.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit

> >

> > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > I have already said that if you want to believe 10th is for

father you

> > can do so and that I did not want to enter in to any argument

on this

> > account.

> > > However it seems that you want to continue the discussions at

some

> > level.

> > >

> > > So first let me ask where is the shloka from Uttara kalamrita

that you

> > based your entire argument on with a rider that it is a 1500

year old

> > text>

> > >

> > > As to Shambhu Prakash hora, no doubt the shloka is right, but

if 10th

> > indicates the Father why should it show the wealth of father

which

> > should be the 11th if we accept 10th as the bhava fro father.

So pray

> > throw some light on why does Shambhuprakash hora say that when

Sun is in

> > 10th one gets wealth from the Father,and so on, at shloka 213?

> > >

> > > As to accepting what Nehru wrote about his relations with his

father,

> > there is no reason to accept as gospel truth since barring

Gandhi, not

> > many Indian politicians are renowned for writing their true

nature in

> > auto biography. The fact of Motilal having left Congress but

Nehru

> > having stuck to Congress is a matter of record.

> > >

> > > I had no intention to bring this on record but since you

insisted on

> > Nehru having only unadulterated good relations with his father

and that

> > indicating 10th being the bhava for father, I had reluctantly

to bring

> > out the facts, much as it pained me to do so. I do not deny

Nehru was

> > close to his father as he derived the power from the influence

Motilal

> > had on Gandhi. But that he had only good relations as you tried

to

> > project is far from truth. Their love was never of Mythological

> > proportion as was claimed by you and that is what I said in the

message.

> > If you want to read more than what is said therein, I can not

ask you

> > not to. The words mythological proportion are yours and not

mine.

> > >

> > > I have consistently asked you to post shloka from Uttara

Kalamitra and

> > you are avoiding that. For the knowledge of the readers, since

you are

> > insinuating that I am changing my stand and speaking far from

truth, I

> > will give the shloka below with the translation. I am sure the

readers

> > can see the true state of affairs.

> > >

> > > Adhyaaya 5 part of shloka 17 that indicates the indications

of the 9th

> > bhava:

> > > " puSTiH sajjana saMgatiH shubh pitrusvaputraputrystathaa. "

> > >

> > > I am sure one need not explain that Pitru means father. Could

you now

> > take out some time to give the shloka on which you based that

classic (a

> > 1500 years old as you called it) giving the karakatwas of

father to 10th

> > bhava.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:19 PM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] History -> Nehru : 10'th

House and

> > Father in Classics

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > Pls find the The shloka from Shambhu Hora Prakash, Pls refer

to shloka

> > No. 189. of " Dasham Bhava Vichara " :

> > >

> > > !! Shubham Nivasam Janakah padaptim Vrishtistwa PitraPaksha

Gyatam!!

> > >

> > > Janakah = Father, PitraPaksha = Father.

> > >

> > > It's taken from R Santhanam's sanskrit - english version of

Shambhu

> > Hora Prakash, Next, I m happy to reveal a rarely known fact

about Nehru.

> > >

> > > 1. Pls. refer to Nehru's AutoBiography published by Penguin,

He writes

> > in pages from 132 to 138 in a chapter titled as " My Father and

> > GandhiJi " . he describes his appreciation and close relationship

with his

> > father and difference with Gandhi Ji, In 1924, Nehru sent his

> > resignation to leave Congress because like his father he was

not in

> > agreement with Gandhi Ji, Nehru says that the way Gandhi Ji is

limiting

> > membership is like a violance to established rules of Congress.

> > >

> > > He says, Gandhiji had no good sense of beauty but he admired

natural

> > beauty and like tajmahal, he also said he got despaired from

gandhi ji

> > coz he didn't get his answers, he says several times, gandhi ji

had

> > hardly vision for future cource of action of movements against

British,

> > still, he follows gandhi ji.

> > >

> > > Next, he says, whatever differences with gandhiji his father

had in

> > him, he has a strength of personality and kingly impression, he

further

> > says his father used to be center and hub of the parties

wherever he

> > goes to, he further says, his father had a look like those of

Italian

> > emperors and refers to some incident when his one of italian

friends

> > said this about his father's charming persona. When his father

left the

> > Congress, he became inactive in Congress and not a single time

he

> > opposes or criticizes his father's move, Nehru maintains love

and

> > dignity to his father and at the same time doesnt stand against

gandhi

> > ji, he also doesnt compare gandhi ji's political vision with his

> > father's political vision.

> > >

> > > 2. It's my request to you to pls keep consistancy in the

discussion,

> > Quite contrary to what u said in last message, earlier in

message no.

> > #5221, You said Nehru was quite close to his father, -

> > >

> > > " Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet it is not the 10th

lord, that

> > being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is also in the 6th but he

was

> > fairly close to his father. That his father was very powerful

man and it

> > is only through his contacts with Gandhi that Nehru got close

to him and

> > then became primeminister is common knowledge. You may like to

think

> > about this too. "

> > >

> > > Now, u completely changed ur opinion in the last message - " I

do not

> > find the love between Jawaharlal and his father to be of

mythological

> > proportion. There are many references that say that Jawaharlal

had

> > differences with his father and leaving the party of Son to

join another

> > party does not seem to fit in with your assertion to love

between son

> > and father of mythological proportions " .

> > >

> > > If u want me to post shlokas from other classics listed in my

> > >

> > > Pls. trust me, my purpose is very clean and with no base and

no

> > confirmation i never raise an argument.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit

> > >

> > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > I never take anything at personal level. I only asked you

to quote

> > the shloka that you said was in Uttara Kalamrita. When you

quote the

> > names of classics, one has to be certain that they do say what

one

> > claims in their names. I have seen you quoting the same, coming

from

> > Shambhu Prakash Hora in a mail to Krishnan, yet that text does

not say

> > so.

> > > >

> > > > I have already said that if you want to look at 10th as the

bhava

> > for father, you can do so. But if you say that the logic you

use proves

> > all the sages to be wrong, I disagree.

> > > >

> > > > I do not find the love between Jawaharlal and his father to

be of

> > mythological proportion. There are many references that say that

> > Jawaharlal had differences with his father and leaving the

party of Son

> > to join another party does not seem to fit in with your

assertion to

> > love between son and father of mythological proportions. That

Jawaharlal

> > opposed marriage proposal brought in by his father, but finally

gave in

> > under immense pressure, is well known. This certainly does not

speak of

> > love between father and son, that was of mythological

proportion, no

> > matter what is the popular public perception.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Friday, October 10, 2008 7:40 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

House -

> > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > There is nothing to take a discussion to a personal ground,

I m only

> > > > doing an effort to update the astrology and remove it's

confusing

> > > > portion, otherwise, what's my interest in astrology ? where

> > astrology

> > > > is required for me to do anything, there is no need to post

to group

> > > > anything. yesterday, I have left all the astrology's group

coz, i

> > > > found, cheats and beggers have become astrology guru and

they are

> > > > very good in lobying.

> > > >

> > > > that what's wrong is wrong, In nehru's case, 9'th lord not

only goes

> > > > to 6'th, it's further afflicted with Kety and on top of

that Mars

> > > > aspects it and there is no protecting cover of Jup's aspect.

> > > >

> > > > So, If 9'th and 9'th lord denotes Father, definitely, there

is very

> > > > high degree of affliction to 9'th lord which should lead to

a

> > > > division but history is evident how Motilal loved

JwaharLal, his

> > love

> > > > for Jawahar has become mythological.

> > > >

> > > > My argument is based on practical truth,when i presented it

before,

> > I

> > > > had vague memory of classics where i did read them, i

happen to

> > > > include uttar kalamrita also, however, uttar kalamrita has

not said

> > > > anything on father fore sure, author has said " Pirtusya "

(not

> > > > remembering exactly) with respect to 9'th, i think he is

trying to

> > > > indicate as u said, father's wealth, which i find, expense

of

> > > > father's wealth, but not the father itself.

> > > >

> > > > I m fully aware of indian history,studied it very well.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Why not give the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita that you

based your

> > > > argument on? That should suffice. There is no need to

divert the

> > > > discussion to any other classic.

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way, I do have Uttara kalamitra and have certainly

read it.

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way, do you know that Motilal angered the Kashmiri

Brahmins

> > > > due to his western life style and frequent visits to

England. Or

> > that

> > > > Motilal gave up congress and Joined Swaraj party before

returning to

> > > > Congress on the failure of that party. So contrary to what

you might

> > > > think, Jawaharlal and his father did not always see eye to

eye on

> > > > many matters.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:45 AM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's

House -

> > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are not supposed to do the analysis of Nehru's 9'th

bhava,

> > > > rather

> > > > > u have to read his Father with help of 9'th and that

without

> > > > > distorting any other established principle, 9'th lord is

> > > > afflicted

> > > > > with ketu, placed in 6'th and aspected by Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, you are not going to ignore these 3 basic things.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will put the shlokas from 5 -6 classics which said

father has

> > > > to be

> > > > > seen from 10'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > I m not sure, u have read them or not, perhaps, you have

not read

> > > > > them that's why u are not able to review ur

opinion,however, in

> > > > last

> > > > > 33 cases, ur findings about one's father was wrong,

that's i

> > > > > said, " Truth " doesnt need acceptance coz " Truth " works,

If we

> > > > dont

> > > > > accept the truth, we do mistakes.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find you have not given the shloka from Uttara

Kalamrita that

> > > > you

> > > > > claimed says 10th bhava represents the father. Once you

give that

> > > > > shloka, I shall certainly give my analysis of 9th bhava

of Nehru.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:02 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

Father's

> > > > House -

> > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. analyze Nehru's horoscope taking 9'th as father

and tell

> > > > the

> > > > > > group what results u get.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I do not twist logic, I never said that Sun in not

Karaka for

> > > > > > father, if u remeber, I said, In Nehru and the other

girl's

> > > > case,

> > > > > > Sun's placement in 5'th has made a loving relationship.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you insist on ignoring the strength of karaka for

father,

> > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > to understand the status of father, that is your

prerogative.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 9th also represents the husband of younger siblings

and Nehru

> > > > > did

> > > > > > not have good relations with them is a known fact.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But then as you have already decided that Uttara

Kalamrita

> > > > was

> > > > > > written 1500 years back and must be the only text that

must be

> > > > > > considered as standard though many other classics do

not think

> > > > > 10th

> > > > > > to be the house for father, you can do so. I would

however like

> > > > > you

> > > > > > to quote the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita which says

the 10th

> > > > > bhava

> > > > > > indicates father. I would also like to know why that

text calls

> > > > > the

> > > > > > 9th as wealth of father if it wants to give the status

of

> > > > father

> > > > > to

> > > > > > the 10th bhava.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would also like to know that when you accept Uttara

> > > > Kalamrita

> > > > > as

> > > > > > the standard text that overrides all else, pray why do

you

> > > > think

> > > > > > Guru in the 6th does not give happiness, more so when

the 6th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > occupies the 6th bhava, though Uttara Kalamrita is very

clear

> > > > in

> > > > > > this regard and says that it will also increase the

indications

> > > > > of

> > > > > > bhava owned by it?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I presume that now you will also like others to take

Budha as

> > > > > > karaka for father since it is karaka for the 10th

bhava. I am

> > > > > sure

> > > > > > people will even accept that, but being dogmatic, as

you prefer

> > > > > to

> > > > > > call me, I prefer to rely more on Vaidyanath,

Mantreshwar,

> > > > > > Parashara, Jaimini, Achyut, Jeevnath, Narada and also

the

> > > > learned

> > > > > > author of Uttara Kalamrita when he only amplifies what

has

> > > > > already

> > > > > > been stated by them and other numerous acharyas and

Pravartakas

> > > > > of

> > > > > > Jyotish. If I am called dogmatic for that, then so be

it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > Monday, October 06, 2008 11:08 PM

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

Father's

> > > > > House -

> > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Being conservative is a very good thing, refinement

and

> > > > > > enhanement is

> > > > > > > the most conservative approach, since the world came

into

> > > > > > exitance,

> > > > > > > new explorations have been there in the place, and

only most

> > > > > > > conservative people have been accepting every new

thing, but

> > > > > > those who

> > > > > > > are dogmatic, they do not accept the truth, truth

doesnt want

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > acceptance.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If u do not accept, you can never correct information

about

> > > > > find

> > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > father, Pls. try Nehru's case, what u have to say,

9'th lord

> > > > in

> > > > > > 6'th,

> > > > > > > afflicted by Ketu and aspected by Mars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Uttar Kalamrita has been written at least some 1500

yrs back,

> > > > > so,

> > > > > > > 10'th being taken as Father's house is not new, I m

> > > > surprised,

> > > > > > why it

> > > > > > > looks new to you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I thought you were talking about some work by Mr.

K. N. Rao

> > > > > > himself

> > > > > > > and not through his " Team " . Anyway I cannot comment

on what I

> > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > read and without looking at the charts and the logic

used to

> > > > > > prove

> > > > > > > something.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in

accepting

> > > > new

> > > > > > > theories, but in these many years I have seen too

many " New "

> > > > > > systems

> > > > > > > coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed

to even

> > > > > > upto 2

> > > > > > > years under the garb of time rectification to make a

chart

> > > > fit

> > > > > a

> > > > > > pet

> > > > > > > theory or the author's perception of some public

figure.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have seen too many times, people with a pet

theory,

> > > > getting

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > number of charts and totally misinterpreting them to

conform

> > > > to

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > theories, to take something that is at complete

variance with

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > majority of sages have stated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

Father's

> > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th

has too,

> > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > with work and fame, it signifies father.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques

in

> > > > > > Astrological

> > > > > > > > Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his

research team,

> > > > > > mostly

> > > > > > > > they are saying same thing that we discussed many

times in

> > > > > > group,

> > > > > > > > but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu

in

> > > > 11'th

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works

differently than

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost

saying,

> > > > coming

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > near the reality.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It appears that you want everybody accept your

premise

> > > > that

> > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > is the house of father. If you think I am diverting,

> > > > because

> > > > > I

> > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is

your

> > > > > opinion.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing

which

> > > > one

> > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > talking about.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight

truth,

> > > > as

> > > > > > > > perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Since you already think I will land in a mess,

there is

> > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > further to discuss.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However you may like to throw light on why the

5th from

> > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > should show the house of father. Is this some other

> > > > daylight

> > > > > > truth

> > > > > > > > that other astrologers are not able to see?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic

when it

> > > > is

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > who have chosen not to answer the points raised and

have

> > > > > > preferred

> > > > > > > > to go off tangent about the size of house of

Nehru's father

> > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > love between them.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

Father's

> > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture

before

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's

horoscope, Pls.

> > > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house

in this

> > > > > > mail, I

> > > > > > > > have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will

see how a

> > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this

happens to

> > > > Sri

> > > > > > K.N Rao

> > > > > > > > what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have

to show

> > > > > > courage

> > > > > > > > and willingness to consider shortcomings in their

approach,

> > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > in their favor only, Let's discuss -

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lagna : Cancer with Moon

> > > > > > > > > 2nd H : Leo with Sat

> > > > > > > > > 3rd : Virgo with Mars

> > > > > > > > > 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus

> > > > > > > > > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun

> > > > > > > > > 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup

> > > > > > > > > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case,

9'th

> > > > lord

> > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor,

Mars

> > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying

great

> > > > > > differences

> > > > > > > > to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo

to know

> > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a

fitting

> > > > > > reason, he

> > > > > > > > happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th

house

> > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he

conveniently

> > > > > > overlooked

> > > > > > > > mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating

father's status

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > palace, this is mockery of astrology.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal

Nehru's status

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4

benific

> > > > > > aspects,

> > > > > > > > aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is

> > > > > > significant

> > > > > > > > that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's

father,

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love,

similar,

> > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th

house

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is

there,

> > > > > > Motilal

> > > > > > > > Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was

running

> > > > > > Venus/Merc

> > > > > > > > dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga,

but when

> > > > > one

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So,

Sri K. N

> > > > > > Rao too

> > > > > > > > overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in

12'th

> > > > being

> > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept

shortcomings

> > > > in

> > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > theory, such an acceptance will take them to the

true

> > > > cause,

> > > > > > near

> > > > > > > > the truth ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living

in an

> > > > old

> > > > > > area

> > > > > > > > of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious

house,

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on

scorpio

> > > > the

> > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial

position of

> > > > > > family,

> > > > > > > > but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house

of self

> > > > > > efforts

> > > > > > > > and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's

progress

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > getting more property is certain by his own efforts.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light

truth, how

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls.

analyze this

> > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess

like

> > > > Sri

> > > > > > K.N Rao.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have already given u the list of the classics

which

> > > > says

> > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > is the father's house, pls do not divert.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th

indicating

> > > > a

> > > > > > > > strong father, you forget that it is also karma

sthana and

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > people under discussions are successful. So why

should that

> > > > > > show

> > > > > > > > 10th to be the house for father?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > That is why I thought no further progress can

be made

> > > > if

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > have made up your mind that all the classics are

wrong and

> > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > represents father.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

> > > > Father's

> > > > > > > > House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have given cases after cases to show how

10'th and

> > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > gives accurate information about father, when i

talk

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > > 10'th,

> > > > > > > > > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are

included

> > > > in

> > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > never excluded " Aspects effect " on 10'th.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I m not here to make up a false mind for my

> > > > convenience,

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive

case

> > > > like

> > > > > > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > > > > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by

benific

> > > > > > > > aspects, where

> > > > > > > > > > is doubt on that ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It's good to accept the truth after testifying

it, I

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > welcome

> > > > > > > > > > more testing from ur side or from any body who

thinks

> > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > doesnt

> > > > > > > > > > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is

initated

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > Parashara

> > > > > > > > > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash

(written

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > south

> > > > > > > > > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many

other

> > > > > > classics.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > should be pls. do not question my

understandings of

> > > > basics

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in

Nehru's case

> > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord

in the

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th

lord

> > > > goes

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you

wanted to

> > > > > > project

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity

with

> > > > father

> > > > > > if 9

> > > > > > > > this to

> > > > > > > > > > be considered as the house for father now with

Amitabh,

> > > > > > you do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show

being

> > > > > distant

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that

10th is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > house for

> > > > > > > > > > father. So carrying these discussions may not

yield

> > > > much

> > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which

is

> > > > > > Father's

> > > > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and

considering

> > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > cases

> > > > > > > > > > to reach

> > > > > > > > > > > an educated conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and

affection,

> > > > > > > > learning and

> > > > > > > > > > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement

itself

> > > > > > indicates a

> > > > > > > > loving

> > > > > > > > > > > relationship with father.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting

case,

> > > > If

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects

10'th house

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > father,

> > > > > > > > > > and 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > house of family.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in

6'th, so,

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > father was

> > > > > > > > > > > also a learned and well reputed in society.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's

placement

> > > > in

> > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > should denote expenses as part of duty

towards, has

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm,

New

> > > > Delhi,

> > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > has to

> > > > > > > > > > > support his father and family, her's is a

Libra asc

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > venus is

> > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in

10 but

> > > > as

> > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > is also

> > > > > > > > > > > there, father still has enough land and other

> > > > immovable

> > > > > > > > property

> > > > > > > > > > but in

> > > > > > > > > > > joint possession with his brothers.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag

(karnataka) at

> > > > > > 14:57

> > > > > > > > PM, he

> > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in

9'th, he

> > > > > > hardly

> > > > > > > > earns

> > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000

to

> > > > parents.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his

case.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's

combination

> > > > we

> > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > straightforward explanation regarding father,

we have

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > examined 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not

the

> > > > > > jataka, so

> > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th

lord

> > > > > > > > exchanging

> > > > > > > > > > places

> > > > > > > > > > > leading to bond between the jataka and

father, even

> > > > > > > > assuming, but

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to

represent father.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka

as well

> > > > as

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > > > lord, so

> > > > > > > > > > > its good placement and the father being

powerful can

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > prove

> > > > > > > > > > that 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > bhava is for father.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the

chart better

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > > > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example

does not

> > > > > show

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > 10th is

> > > > > > > > > > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had

Sun in the

> > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > and yet

> > > > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd

bhava. His

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > also in

> > > > > > > > > > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his

father. That

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > was very

> > > > > > > > > > > powerful man and it is only through his

contacts with

> > > > > > Gandhi

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > Nehru

> > > > > > > > > > > got close to him and then became

primeminister is

> > > > > common

> > > > > > > > > > knowledge. You

> > > > > > > > > > > may like to think about this too.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

Which is

> > > > > > Father's

> > > > > > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open

for

> > > > every

> > > > > > > > thing,

> > > > > > > > > > closing

> > > > > > > > > > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i

m

> > > > > > comfortable,

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > help objective of updating the astrology to

today's

> > > > > > needs.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the

karaka

> > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > father in

> > > > > > > > > > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange

between

> > > > > Sun

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond

between girl

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Father is well placed and a director of

dept of

> > > > > > > > environment

> > > > > > > > > > with MP

> > > > > > > > > > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup

also

> > > > > > signifies

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > factor.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's

> > > > > involvement

> > > > > > > > cancells

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group

where 4

> > > > > or

> > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > > > > planets are

> > > > > > > > > > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have

not given

> > > > up

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > significations of the concerned house

rather they

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more

> > > > worldy :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has

> > > > Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > 11'th

> > > > > > > > > > and his

> > > > > > > > > > > > focus is on earning more and more.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has

> > > > > > Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu,

> > > > > > > > She

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > exceptionaly profession minded.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd

house has

> > > > > > > > > > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for

setting

> > > > up

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > factory

> > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > his family members, still, working as

President of

> > > > > His

> > > > > > > > group of

> > > > > > > > > > > > companies.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a

contributer

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > tomorrow's

> > > > > > > > > > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has

> > > > > > > > > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and

> > > > > > > > > > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his

duties, his

> > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > sickness

> > > > > > > > > > > > has finishe all the savings and he is

supporting

> > > > > > family,

> > > > > > > > Ravi's

> > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but

refers to

> > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > > > > and expenses on father.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you think you have already

established that

> > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > is for

> > > > > > > > > > > > father, you will not like to see the chart

from any

> > > > > > angle

> > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > yours.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out

that 9th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > going

> > > > > > > > > > to 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > does not indicate clashes with father as

6th and

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > mutual

> > > > > > > > > > > > square. You do not seem to give any

weightage to

> > > > > > Karaka

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > and are free to take your own view of the

matter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you are better informed about

how

> > > > > > Pravrajya

> > > > > > > > yoga is

> > > > > > > > > > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that

Parashara in

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > chapter

> > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than

four

> > > > > > grahas,

> > > > > > > > when in

> > > > > > > > > > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused.

> > > > Barring

> > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always

retrograde

> > > > > so

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > grahas are

> > > > > > > > > > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics

repeat

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > position.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which

is

> > > > > > Father's

> > > > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar

Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th

lord)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup

(5'th lord)

> > > > +

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > (lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > lord) + Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for

father,

> > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > going to

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th house, should create differences

between them,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > > > shares a

> > > > > > > > > > > > special bond with her father , why ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is

in

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is

placed

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > > love and affection so, this girl and her

father

> > > > > shares

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > special bond

> > > > > > > > > > > > of love.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has

Jup, Satu,

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination

makes her

> > > > > > > > workaholic,her

> > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > is her profession and her father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly

placed, this

> > > > > > > > horoscope has

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > clue for that also, same exhange between

Sun and

> > > > Jup

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has

gone to

> > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > is a prime cause of having differences with

ur

> > > > father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is

the house

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father,

similar to

> > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for

confusion. I m

> > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > findings as I do that with a vision to

update

> > > > > > astrology to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > of this age, recently, I have done good

work to

> > > > find

> > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > stream

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > management - Investment, Finance,

Marketting, or

> > > > > > General

> > > > > > > > Admin.

> > > > > > > > > > I got

> > > > > > > > > > > > clue from some classics which are not too

popular

> > > > but

> > > > > > thir

> > > > > > > > > > auther's

> > > > > > > > > > > > have done good work.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > neenu

> > > > > > > > > > > > <mechumla@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if

there are 5

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > > > house. So how does this girl native have

that yoga,

> > > > > as

> > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > only 4

> > > > > > > > > > > > planets in 10th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following this thread with

much

> > > > > > interest,

> > > > > > > > as the

> > > > > > > > > > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to

mine, at

> > > > > > least

> > > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > naive

> > > > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma +

ra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right,

Su which

> > > > > > > > represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is

9th

> > > > from

> > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected

by Rahu

> > > > +

> > > > > > Ju.

> > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > ninth

> > > > > > > > > > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and

did not

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight

years

> > > > if

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > literally calculate, I have only spent

about 40-45

> > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more

then 10-

> > > > 11

> > > > > > hrs

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > cumulative.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated,

as I

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do

call

> > > > > home,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > mostly

> > > > > > > > > > speak

> > > > > > > > > > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go

beyond a

> > > > > > minute.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But even when I was at home from the

age of 10-

> > > > > 18,

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > argue

> > > > > > > > > > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him,

but

> > > > > > anything he

> > > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not

liking

> > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neenu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing]

Re: Two

> > > > > > Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's

Vimshottari

> > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008,

4:52 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what

you

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > stated. She

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a

Dad's

> > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life revolves

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around her father and she follows her

dad

> > > > even

> > > > > > in her

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father

asks, she

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > done it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my

question

> > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya related to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not

clarify the

> > > > > > concept

> > > > > > > > better?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord

indicates

> > > > that

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be

> > > > > > > > acquired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher

studies. But

> > > > > > analyzing

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more

than likely

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > lead to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inferences being drawn than

confirming some

> > > > > > point or

> > > > > > > > > > other.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this

case Sun is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 10th lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming

to any

> > > > > > > > conclusions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be

> > > > > > considered for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father, here ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may not be very logical.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the

Jataka's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother so it is mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the

4th is

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > occupied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many

> > > > > malefics,

> > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects the 4th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008

5:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing]

Re: Two

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th,

and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun,

pls. let's

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's

house, what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status

in

> > > > society

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's

house, what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his position and status in society

and

> > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with father,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I m

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th

house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, an afflicted and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th.

That guru

> > > > is

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company of - Sat,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of

Pravajya in

> > > > 10'th

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the

confusion

> > > > forever,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes, in lack

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories

> > > > cireculate,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luckily we have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the

distinction.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her

father or

> > > > > forsake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him in his hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of need?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just

begun and

> > > > Guru,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove

the 10th

> > > > > > versus

> > > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008

3:50 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > > Two

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari

Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so

cool

> > > > and

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice, this is one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u,

living in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur's company.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of

10'th and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have

another

> > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u analyzed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some 4

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months back.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980,

0.20 A.M

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th

bhava, lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is scorpio, but she

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job

front,

> > > > > > broken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her marriage but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left her job.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much

oomph for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with

> > > > > exceptions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given to it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will

settle the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusion over both

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house

forever.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th

together gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has

nothing to do

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacrifice for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has

similar

> > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in her chart and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her

father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sake. Actually she was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents

married

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her birth. Plus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th

without any

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets to give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the

results.

> > > > In

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jataka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those

planets

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also the node and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your

proposition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to look at the 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if

you are

> > > > > able

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as

such.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25,

2008 8:14

> > > > PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it

this way -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the

house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindness

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his

duties

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards father(10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, )he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th, we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed

that for

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duties he can leave

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives

him very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basic elligibility for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls.

note that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU

is

> > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 9'th and which in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more

evident

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3'rd lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initiatives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th

and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe

Suhaga !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs,

proper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction, he should do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his

matribhumi coz,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > vattem

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought

out both

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues of attending to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is

also from

> > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 5th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the

native

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be taking care of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga

makes him

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider to attend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father as more important

leading to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacrifice of his own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future.In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition

like

> > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sriram going to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forest

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to

Bharata.it is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely that during the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be

arising

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recourse.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08,

Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two

Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

Day's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September

24, 2008,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2:24 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in

exploring the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibilities. However

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are

trying to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove some sage wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using

most of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles given by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new

system by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA

and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attending to father would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava

> > > > indications.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava after all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th

from 5th)

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he did give up the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava

and the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha

which will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell when he may take

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties.

Of

> > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my comments are only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not

know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about the person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September

24, 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9:31 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

ealing]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy

was doing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his MBA that he left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > halfway

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at

home

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during father's ailment.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many

things

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in groups is to open

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avenues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed in last few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > centuries

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back

to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clssics and some other time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is

stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya

yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > steady in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his duties?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:

[Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon

in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with

Rahu and 5

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more planets.The sign

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raising

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd

sign

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen

from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have

made up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his mind about the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl.The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all

trials and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tribulations in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground

probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his preparedness to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building character is very

distant.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5

and 9

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and

saturns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th

lord in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both

the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases only suggests that the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare

for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideals.where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recognition and status in life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other above average person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both

chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to support for the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native

in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:

[Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could

indicate either

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving up father or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duties.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but

they are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting

the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna would give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temper,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you

could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > locate that would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right

material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for building India. Of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every

citizen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this country could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he

does his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own duties properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to

do them

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the

5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I

for one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am not very certain if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having missed something that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please

elaborate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,

2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji

and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other Elders,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for

building

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow's India,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact

with good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families

but they

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have courage and will to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally

brilliant,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a

lot from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and

as per

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his query and desire, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age

and that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before Nov 2008,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true,

I see,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a transformation in his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders

see -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you

can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verify if Exalted and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > met

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the

chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates, he is very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handsom ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown

courage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to speak for the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a

contributor for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the society -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the

shop.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vimshottari Period

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness,

disintegration of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the family, compulsation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep

distress

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > January 1979

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N

Longitude : 76

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 16, 2008

Dear Lalit,

Yet, you should read the Sanskrit dictionary for the meanings of the word "SVA" . If you do that you will know that despite being fluent in Sanskrit at high school level you have perhaps forgotten the more than about a dozen different meanings of the word "SVA". Too many Sanskrit Scholars including those who were professor of Sanskrit at Banaras Hindu University have translated the word "SVA" in the same manner as Bhattotpal, while translating Jyotish classics, for me to think otherwise.

However if you think you can never be wrong, then so be it.

Chandrashekhar.

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:23 PM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Study of Family Deterioration : 10'th House, Nehru and Father

Dear Sir,I utter anything after i m very confirmed, If Bhattotpla is wrong, he is wrong, If i m wrong, I m also wrong. I m not fancy of big names. during my school days, i could fluently speak and write in sanskrit like i could do in hindi over the period it didn't remain in practice but i dont doubt that i have clarity in understanding sanskrit.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > Perhaps you are a better Sanskrit scholar than Bhattotpal. I do not think his interpretation is wrong.> > By the way, if you look at Sanskrit dictionaries, you may find one of its (Sva) meaning to be one's wealth. > > Chandrashekhar.> > > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:33 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Study of Family Deterioration : 10'th House, Nehru and Father> > > Dear Sir,> > Few incorrect things have been in practise since thousands years, If > we go by "Sanskrit Pada Anvaya", SVA can never be wealth, sva means, > own portion, like "Sva-Ayam" = Me, "Sva ADhyaya" = Self Study, "Sva > Jana" = Own People, similarly "Pitur Sva" = Father's own but what ?> Next term makes sense to that - "PutraPutrisha" = Sons and Daughters.> > I m trully suprised, why corrective measures have been not taken in > last thousand years, Jyotish depricated to blind belief coz we failed > to formulate confirmed rules.> > I was expecting mr. pradeep will give list of the sages who said 9'th > is father's house, however, no list came. Truth is no sage has said > 9'th is father's house except for some internet based today's sages, > those who are running their schools on net.> > regards,> Lalit.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > I have no desire to enter into endless arguments. However it might > interest you to know that "Sva" has been interpreted as wealth by > many learned Sanskrit scholars including Bhattotpal, the venerated > translator of Brihat Jataka and author of other jyotish classics.> > > > You have already decided to be judge Jury and the advocate for 10th > representing the father, relegating many acharyas and Pravartakas to > the category of being ignoramus in Jyotish, and therefore no purpose > is going to be served in further arguments.> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:26 PM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Study of Family > Deterioration : 10'th House, Nehru and Father> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > In order to rejects the truth you will have to change the history > of nehru and his father, Nehru has clearly expressed he has resigned > from congress in 1923 - 24 when his father also resigned, so there is > no point in saying that father left son's party and there was > difference bewteen them.> > > > Let's dissect the shloka of uttarkalamrita quoted by you says, as > per you - > > > > {Adhyaaya 5 part of shloka 17 that indicates the indications of > the 9th> > bhava: "puSTiH sajjana saMgatiH shubh pitrusvaputraputrystathaa}> > > > pitrusva = father's own, putra putry stathaa - son and daughter, > that means, native's father's son and daughters, i.e, native's > sibling, which is logical as 9'th is 7'th to 3rd house of siblings.> > > > You also said - {So pray throw some light on why does > Shambhuprakash hora say that when Sun is in10th one gets wealth from > the Father,and so on, at shloka 213?}> > > > Let's get back to base, from the shloka no 205, Shambhu Hora > Prakash discusses livelihood and help given for native's livelihood > by his relative with the help of planets placed in 10'th house.> > > > the shloka no 205 is - "Sutau Lgnad Ambare yo Baliyaan > Vrittirnunam tasya Khetasya Vrityaha"> > > > then in shloka no 208, it says - "Lagnen Endyutau (Lagna or from > Moon) Dinakarau (Sun) Amabrgo Narasay (goes to 10'th) Dravyaagamam > cha Vividho Udyam Vrittiyogat (will get monetary gains from lots of > activities.> > > > Now, after discussing the source and he comes to who helps the > native in getting wealth or livelihood, he says, in Sun's dasha the > father helps in Sun is placed in 10'th, if Moon is placed in 10'th, > mother helps, if Mercury is placed in 10'th friends etc.> > > > The shloka is - "Suryadi bhir Gagan(10'th) Gais Tanauto ( goes > from Lagna, tanu = lagna) ....... Arthagmastu janakascha tatha > jananyah ...."> > > > Sir, I have requested you to pls. keep consistancey in the > discussion, me and people look at you with request, if u present > broken references with split and confusing meaning of the shlokas , > the authenticity will be questioned.> > > > It's not only you, nobody has inputs to add for 9'th house as > father's house coz truth denies it, nehru's case was given by you, > not by me and 9'th is father, this theory has failed in this case > given by you as well as in all other cases discussed in group.> > > > -- > I dont know how many of us has studied family's > deterioration, I have been going through the horoscope various > generations of families and found deterioration begins with the > person who gets Rahu in 2nd house, may be there are other > significations too but this is the one u can always rely. And if the > person is eldest born in family, he dosnt able to keep the family > lineage on track.> > > > --> And finally, what's the house of acceptibility of the truth, > I have been immersed in deep thoughts and what i come to know is it's > the 7'th house, which should be seen to know how much one is > receptive of the truth. if there is concentration of malific planets > in 7'th, natives dont easily accept the truth. > > > > We can judge above two points in the light of the facts.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > If you think nobody in the world can justify their perception > of relations between Nehru and his father, as against their relations > etc.,based on the 9th being the bhava for father and Sun being the > Karaka for father. So be it. I have no wish to wash the dirty linens > of the Nehru family on the list to explain why the 9th does explain > his father better. So I have no inputs to add. > > > > > > However please do not expect me to treat 10th bhava as the > bhava for father. > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Monday, October 13, 2008 7:53 PM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: History -> Nehru : > 10'th House and Father in Classics> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > You are the Guru of the group, the most learned and experienced > among> > > members, your view on what house signifies father is in fact a > legacy> > > view and why i interacted with you was just for the reason that > if u> > > come to the approving stage, will be good for astrology.> > > > > > With 9'th house for father nobody in world can analyze Nehru's> > > horoscope to know what kind of father he had and what kind of> > > relationship they had. Nehru criticized Gandhi but Never > criticized his> > > father, and not only Nehru, in all 4 - 5 cases, 9'th lord > dictum has> > > failed.> > > > > > Sages have explored truth in their whole life and if we also > reveal> > > truth, we are following their path and my argument is only > based on> > > truth and only on truth. I wish to close all such confusions so > that> > > next generation can have a clean clear and confirmed astrology > in their> > > hand, I will end all the myths that one can not learn astrology > in a> > > life time etc.> > > > > > So, the matter is decided that 10'th house + Sun signifies the > father.> > > Now, we will explore why one get's wealth from father, if sun > is placed> > > in 10'th.> > > > > > We are bound to inherit something or the other from father, if > not more,> > > at least a genetic inheritance is always there, If Sun is > there, means> > > father is capable fatherly figure and he will obviously give > his best to> > > his child.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I have already said that if you want to believe 10th is for > father you> > > can do so and that I did not want to enter in to any argument > on this> > > account.> > > > However it seems that you want to continue the discussions at > some> > > level.> > > >> > > > So first let me ask where is the shloka from Uttara kalamrita > that you> > > based your entire argument on with a rider that it is a 1500 > year old> > > text>> > > >> > > > As to Shambhu Prakash hora, no doubt the shloka is right, but > if 10th> > > indicates the Father why should it show the wealth of father > which> > > should be the 11th if we accept 10th as the bhava fro father. > So pray> > > throw some light on why does Shambhuprakash hora say that when > Sun is in> > > 10th one gets wealth from the Father,and so on, at shloka 213?> > > >> > > > As to accepting what Nehru wrote about his relations with his > father,> > > there is no reason to accept as gospel truth since barring > Gandhi, not> > > many Indian politicians are renowned for writing their true > nature in> > > auto biography. The fact of Motilal having left Congress but > Nehru> > > having stuck to Congress is a matter of record.> > > >> > > > I had no intention to bring this on record but since you > insisted on> > > Nehru having only unadulterated good relations with his father > and that> > > indicating 10th being the bhava for father, I had reluctantly > to bring> > > out the facts, much as it pained me to do so. I do not deny > Nehru was> > > close to his father as he derived the power from the influence > Motilal> > > had on Gandhi. But that he had only good relations as you tried > to> > > project is far from truth. Their love was never of Mythological> > > proportion as was claimed by you and that is what I said in the > message.> > > If you want to read more than what is said therein, I can not > ask you> > > not to. The words mythological proportion are yours and not > mine.> > > >> > > > I have consistently asked you to post shloka from Uttara > Kalamitra and> > > you are avoiding that. For the knowledge of the readers, since > you are> > > insinuating that I am changing my stand and speaking far from > truth, I> > > will give the shloka below with the translation. I am sure the > readers> > > can see the true state of affairs.> > > >> > > > Adhyaaya 5 part of shloka 17 that indicates the indications > of the 9th> > > bhava:> > > > "puSTiH sajjana saMgatiH shubh pitrusvaputraputrystathaa."> > > >> > > > I am sure one need not explain that Pitru means father. Could > you now> > > take out some time to give the shloka on which you based that > classic (a> > > 1500 years old as you called it) giving the karakatwas of > father to 10th> > > bhava.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:19 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] History -> Nehru : 10'th > House and> > > Father in Classics> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > Pls find the The shloka from Shambhu Hora Prakash, Pls refer > to shloka> > > No. 189. of "Dasham Bhava Vichara" :> > > >> > > > !! Shubham Nivasam Janakah padaptim Vrishtistwa PitraPaksha > Gyatam!!> > > >> > > > Janakah = Father, PitraPaksha = Father.> > > >> > > > It's taken from R Santhanam's sanskrit - english version of > Shambhu> > > Hora Prakash, Next, I m happy to reveal a rarely known fact > about Nehru.> > > >> > > > 1. Pls. refer to Nehru's AutoBiography published by Penguin, > He writes> > > in pages from 132 to 138 in a chapter titled as "My Father and> > > GandhiJi". he describes his appreciation and close relationship > with his> > > father and difference with Gandhi Ji, In 1924, Nehru sent his> > > resignation to leave Congress because like his father he was > not in> > > agreement with Gandhi Ji, Nehru says that the way Gandhi Ji is > limiting> > > membership is like a violance to established rules of Congress.> > > >> > > > He says, Gandhiji had no good sense of beauty but he admired > natural> > > beauty and like tajmahal, he also said he got despaired from > gandhi ji> > > coz he didn't get his answers, he says several times, gandhi ji > had> > > hardly vision for future cource of action of movements against > British,> > > still, he follows gandhi ji.> > > >> > > > Next, he says, whatever differences with gandhiji his father > had in> > > him, he has a strength of personality and kingly impression, he > further> > > says his father used to be center and hub of the parties > wherever he> > > goes to, he further says, his father had a look like those of > Italian> > > emperors and refers to some incident when his one of italian > friends> > > said this about his father's charming persona. When his father > left the> > > Congress, he became inactive in Congress and not a single time > he> > > opposes or criticizes his father's move, Nehru maintains love > and> > > dignity to his father and at the same time doesnt stand against > gandhi> > > ji, he also doesnt compare gandhi ji's political vision with his> > > father's political vision.> > > >> > > > 2. It's my request to you to pls keep consistancy in the > discussion,> > > Quite contrary to what u said in last message, earlier in > message no.> > > #5221, You said Nehru was quite close to his father, -> > > >> > > > "Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet it is not the 10th > lord, that> > > being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is also in the 6th but he > was> > > fairly close to his father. That his father was very powerful > man and it> > > is only through his contacts with Gandhi that Nehru got close > to him and> > > then became primeminister is common knowledge. You may like to > think> > > about this too."> > > >> > > > Now, u completely changed ur opinion in the last message -"I > do not> > > find the love between Jawaharlal and his father to be of > mythological> > > proportion. There are many references that say that Jawaharlal > had> > > differences with his father and leaving the party of Son to > join another> > > party does not seem to fit in with your assertion to love > between son> > > and father of mythological proportions".> > > >> > > > If u want me to post shlokas from other classics listed in my > previous> > > messages, I will post them, but that's very combursome.> > > >> > > > Pls. trust me, my purpose is very clean and with no base and > no> > > confirmation i never raise an argument.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > I never take anything at personal level. I only asked you > to quote> > > the shloka that you said was in Uttara Kalamrita. When you > quote the> > > names of classics, one has to be certain that they do say what > one> > > claims in their names. I have seen you quoting the same, coming > from> > > Shambhu Prakash Hora in a mail to Krishnan, yet that text does > not say> > > so.> > > > >> > > > > I have already said that if you want to look at 10th as the > bhava> > > for father, you can do so. But if you say that the logic you > use proves> > > all the sages to be wrong, I disagree.> > > > >> > > > > I do not find the love between Jawaharlal and his father to > be of> > > mythological proportion. There are many references that say that> > > Jawaharlal had differences with his father and leaving the > party of Son> > > to join another party does not seem to fit in with your > assertion to> > > love between son and father of mythological proportions. That > Jawaharlal> > > opposed marriage proposal brought in by his father, but finally > gave in> > > under immense pressure, is well known. This certainly does not > speak of> > > love between father and son, that was of mythological > proportion, no> > > matter what is the popular public perception.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Friday, October 10, 2008 7:40 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > House -> > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > There is nothing to take a discussion to a personal ground, > I m only> > > > > doing an effort to update the astrology and remove it's > confusing> > > > > portion, otherwise, what's my interest in astrology ? where> > > astrology> > > > > is required for me to do anything, there is no need to post > to group> > > > > anything. yesterday, I have left all the astrology's group > coz, i> > > > > found, cheats and beggers have become astrology guru and > they are> > > > > very good in lobying.> > > > >> > > > > that what's wrong is wrong, In nehru's case, 9'th lord not > only goes> > > > > to 6'th, it's further afflicted with Kety and on top of > that Mars> > > > > aspects it and there is no protecting cover of Jup's aspect.> > > > >> > > > > So, If 9'th and 9'th lord denotes Father, definitely, there > is very> > > > > high degree of affliction to 9'th lord which should lead to > a> > > > > division but history is evident how Motilal loved > JwaharLal, his> > > love> > > > > for Jawahar has become mythological.> > > > >> > > > > My argument is based on practical truth,when i presented it > before,> > > I> > > > > had vague memory of classics where i did read them, i > happen to> > > > > include uttar kalamrita also, however, uttar kalamrita has > not said> > > > > anything on father fore sure, author has said "Pirtusya" > (not> > > > > remembering exactly) with respect to 9'th, i think he is > trying to> > > > > indicate as u said, father's wealth, which i find, expense > of> > > > > father's wealth, but not the father itself.> > > > >> > > > > I m fully aware of indian history,studied it very well.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit> > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > Why not give the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita that you > based your> > > > > argument on? That should suffice. There is no need to > divert the> > > > > discussion to any other classic.> > > > > >> > > > > > By the way, I do have Uttara kalamitra and have certainly > read it.> > > > > >> > > > > > By the way, do you know that Motilal angered the Kashmiri > Brahmins> > > > > due to his western life style and frequent visits to > England. Or> > > that> > > > > Motilal gave up congress and Joined Swaraj party before > returning to> > > > > Congress on the failure of that party. So contrary to what > you might> > > > > think, Jawaharlal and his father did not always see eye to > eye on> > > > > many matters.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:45 AM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is Father's > House -> > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > You are not supposed to do the analysis of Nehru's 9'th > bhava,> > > > > rather> > > > > > u have to read his Father with help of 9'th and that > without> > > > > > distorting any other established principle, 9'th lord is> > > > > afflicted> > > > > > with ketu, placed in 6'th and aspected by Mars.> > > > > >> > > > > > So, you are not going to ignore these 3 basic things.> > > > > >> > > > > > I will put the shlokas from 5 -6 classics which said > father has> > > > > to be> > > > > > seen from 10'th.> > > > > >> > > > > > I m not sure, u have read them or not, perhaps, you have > not read> > > > > > them that's why u are not able to review ur > opinion,however, in> > > > > last> > > > > > 33 cases, ur findings about one's father was wrong, > that's i> > > > > > said, "Truth" doesnt need acceptance coz "Truth" works, > If we> > > > > dont> > > > > > accept the truth, we do mistakes.> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I find you have not given the shloka from Uttara > Kalamrita that> > > > > you> > > > > > claimed says 10th bhava represents the father. Once you > give that> > > > > > shloka, I shall certainly give my analysis of 9th bhava > of Nehru.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:02 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is > Father's> > > > > House -> > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Pls. analyze Nehru's horoscope taking 9'th as father > and tell> > > > > the> > > > > > > group what results u get.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do not twist logic, I never said that Sun in not > Karaka for> > > > > > > father, if u remeber, I said, In Nehru and the other > girl's> > > > > case,> > > > > > > Sun's placement in 5'th has made a loving relationship.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If you insist on ignoring the strength of karaka for > father,> > > > > > Sun,> > > > > > > to understand the status of father, that is your > prerogative.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 9th also represents the husband of younger siblings > and Nehru> > > > > > did> > > > > > > not have good relations with them is a known fact.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But then as you have already decided that Uttara > Kalamrita> > > > > was> > > > > > > written 1500 years back and must be the only text that > must be> > > > > > > considered as standard though many other classics do > not think> > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > to be the house for father, you can do so. I would > however like> > > > > > you> > > > > > > to quote the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita which says > the 10th> > > > > > bhava> > > > > > > indicates father. I would also like to know why that > text calls> > > > > > the> > > > > > > 9th as wealth of father if it wants to give the status > of> > > > > father> > > > > > to> > > > > > > the 10th bhava.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I would also like to know that when you accept Uttara> > > > > Kalamrita> > > > > > as> > > > > > > the standard text that overrides all else, pray why do > you> > > > > think> > > > > > > Guru in the 6th does not give happiness, more so when > the 6th> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > occupies the 6th bhava, though Uttara Kalamrita is very > clear> > > > > in> > > > > > > this regard and says that it will also increase the > indications> > > > > > of> > > > > > > bhava owned by it?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I presume that now you will also like others to take > Budha as> > > > > > > karaka for father since it is karaka for the 10th > bhava. I am> > > > > > sure> > > > > > > people will even accept that, but being dogmatic, as > you prefer> > > > > > to> > > > > > > call me, I prefer to rely more on Vaidyanath, > Mantreshwar,> > > > > > > Parashara, Jaimini, Achyut, Jeevnath, Narada and also > the> > > > > learned> > > > > > > author of Uttara Kalamrita when he only amplifies what > has> > > > > > already> > > > > > > been stated by them and other numerous acharyas and > Pravartakas> > > > > > of> > > > > > > Jyotish. If I am called dogmatic for that, then so be > it.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > Monday, October 06, 2008 11:08 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is > Father's> > > > > > House -> > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Being conservative is a very good thing, refinement > and> > > > > > > enhanement is> > > > > > > > the most conservative approach, since the world came > into> > > > > > > exitance,> > > > > > > > new explorations have been there in the place, and > only most> > > > > > > > conservative people have been accepting every new > thing, but> > > > > > > those who> > > > > > > > are dogmatic, they do not accept the truth, truth > doesnt want> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > acceptance.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If u do not accept, you can never correct information > about> > > > > > find> > > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > father, Pls. try Nehru's case, what u have to say, > 9'th lord> > > > > in> > > > > > > 6'th,> > > > > > > > afflicted by Ketu and aspected by Mars.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Uttar Kalamrita has been written at least some 1500 > yrs back,> > > > > > so,> > > > > > > > 10'th being taken as Father's house is not new, I m> > > > > surprised,> > > > > > > why it> > > > > > > > looks new to you.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I thought you were talking about some work by Mr. > K. N. Rao> > > > > > > himself> > > > > > > > and not through his "Team". Anyway I cannot comment > on what I> > > > > > > have not> > > > > > > > read and without looking at the charts and the logic > used to> > > > > > > prove> > > > > > > > something.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I may appear to be obstinate and conservative in > accepting> > > > > new> > > > > > > > theories, but in these many years I have seen too > many "New"> > > > > > > systems> > > > > > > > coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth changed > to even> > > > > > > upto 2> > > > > > > > years under the garb of time rectification to make a > chart> > > > > fit> > > > > > a> > > > > > > pet> > > > > > > > theory or the author's perception of some public > figure.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have seen too many times, people with a pet > theory,> > > > > getting> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > number of charts and totally misinterpreting them to > conform> > > > > to> > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > theories, to take something that is at complete > variance with> > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > majority of sages have stated.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is > Father's> > > > > > > House -> > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Like any house has multiple significations, 10'th > has too,> > > > > > > along> > > > > > > > > with work and fame, it signifies father.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I referred to recently published 'Finer Techniques > in> > > > > > > Astrological> > > > > > > > > Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his > research team,> > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > > they are saying same thing that we discussed many > times in> > > > > > > group,> > > > > > > > > but, best part is they are receptive and open, Rahu > in> > > > > 11'th> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works > differently than> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is almost > saying,> > > > > coming> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > near the reality.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It appears that you want everybody accept your > premise> > > > > that> > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > is the house of father. If you think I am diverting,> > > > > because> > > > > > I> > > > > > > point> > > > > > > > > to the 10th being house of work and fame, that is > your> > > > > > opinion.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not knowing > which> > > > > one> > > > > > > you are> > > > > > > > > talking about.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore daylight > truth,> > > > > as> > > > > > > > > perceived by you is unfortunate to say the least.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Since you already think I will land in a mess, > there is> > > > > > > nothing> > > > > > > > > further to discuss.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > However you may like to throw light on why the > 5th from> > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > should show the house of father. Is this some other> > > > > daylight> > > > > > > truth> > > > > > > > > that other astrologers are not able to see?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Please desist accusing me of diverting the topic > when it> > > > > is> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > who have chosen not to answer the points raised and > have> > > > > > > preferred> > > > > > > > > to go off tangent about the size of house of > Nehru's father> > > > > > > and the> > > > > > > > > love between them.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is > Father's> > > > > > > House -> > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete picture > before> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's > horoscope, Pls.> > > > > > do> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's house > in this> > > > > > > mail, I> > > > > > > > > have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group will > see how a> > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If this > happens to> > > > > Sri> > > > > > > K.N Rao> > > > > > > > > what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers have > to show> > > > > > > courage> > > > > > > > > and willingness to consider shortcomings in their > approach,> > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > in their favor only, Let's discuss -> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Cancer with Moon> > > > > > > > > > 2nd H : Leo with Sat> > > > > > > > > > 3rd : Virgo with Mars> > > > > > > > > > 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus> > > > > > > > > > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun> > > > > > > > > > 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord Jup> > > > > > > > > > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in this case, > 9'th> > > > > lord> > > > > > > Jup> > > > > > > > > is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu, morevor, > Mars> > > > > > > aspects> > > > > > > > > 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case signifying > great> > > > > > > differences> > > > > > > > > to the level of disputes, while analysing this horo > to know> > > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > > ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt find a > fitting> > > > > > > reason, he> > > > > > > > > happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th from 9'th > house> > > > > > shows> > > > > > > > > Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he > conveniently> > > > > > > overlooked> > > > > > > > > mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating > father's status> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > palace, this is mockery of astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal > Nehru's status> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > height, now, pls. note that 10'th house receives 4 > benific> > > > > > > aspects,> > > > > > > > > aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars, this is> > > > > > > significant> > > > > > > > > that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Why loving relationship between Nehu and Nehru's > father,> > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of love, > similar,> > > > > > > placement> > > > > > > > > that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look at 4'th > house> > > > > of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra + Merc is > there,> > > > > > > Motilal> > > > > > > > > Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal was > running> > > > > > > Venus/Merc> > > > > > > > > dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya yoga, > but when> > > > > > one> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > based on wrong principles, he has to overlook. So, > Sri K. N> > > > > > > Rao too> > > > > > > > > overlooked this placement and highlighted Rahu in > 12'th> > > > > being> > > > > > > 4th> > > > > > > > > from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept > shortcomings> > > > > in> > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > theory, such an acceptance will take them to the > true> > > > > cause,> > > > > > > near> > > > > > > > > the truth ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was living > in an> > > > > old> > > > > > > area> > > > > > > > > of Allahaband and in a old but relatively spacious > house,> > > > > 2nd> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th house on > scorpio> > > > > the> > > > > > > sign> > > > > > > > > of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows initial > position of> > > > > > > family,> > > > > > > > > but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd house > of self> > > > > > > efforts> > > > > > > > > and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus father's > progress> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > getting more property is certain by his own efforts.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day light > truth, how> > > > > > > many> > > > > > > > > truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls. > analyze this> > > > > > > chart> > > > > > > > > taking 9'th as father's case, you will land in mess > like> > > > > Sri> > > > > > > K.N Rao.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have already given u the list of the classics > which> > > > > says> > > > > > > 10'th> > > > > > > > > is the father's house, pls do not divert.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > When you talk about good aspect on the 10th > indicating> > > > > a> > > > > > > > > strong father, you forget that it is also karma > sthana and> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > people under discussions are successful. So why > should that> > > > > > > show> > > > > > > > > 10th to be the house for father?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > That is why I thought no further progress can > be made> > > > > if> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > have made up your mind that all the classics are > wrong and> > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > represents father.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is> > > > > Father's> > > > > > > > > House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have given cases after cases to show how > 10'th and> > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > > combination> > > > > > > > > > > gives accurate information about father, when i > talk> > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > 10'th,> > > > > > > > > > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all are > included> > > > > in> > > > > > > that,> > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > never excluded "Aspects effect" on 10'th.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I m not here to make up a false mind for my> > > > > convenience,> > > > > > > you> > > > > > > > > gave> > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a supportive > case> > > > > like> > > > > > > > > Amitabh's> > > > > > > > > > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher strength by > benific> > > > > > > > > aspects, where> > > > > > > > > > > is doubt on that ?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > It's good to accept the truth after testifying > it, I> > > > > will> > > > > > > > > welcome> > > > > > > > > > > more testing from ur side or from any body who > thinks> > > > > > > 10'th> > > > > > > > > doesnt> > > > > > > > > > > denote Father, i m doing same thing which is > initated> > > > > by> > > > > > > > > Parashara> > > > > > > > > > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora Prakash > (written> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > south> > > > > > > > > > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and many > other> > > > > > > classics.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > should be pls. do not question my > understandings of> > > > > basics> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter in > Nehru's case> > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > earlier it was only placement of the 10th lord > in the> > > > > 5th> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > showed affection for father? Here when the 10th > lord> > > > > goes> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > the 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier you > wanted to> > > > > > > project> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate enmity > with> > > > > father> > > > > > > if 9> > > > > > > > > this to> > > > > > > > > > > be considered as the house for father now with > Amitabh,> > > > > > > you do> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should show > being> > > > > > distant> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > father.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like you have made up your mind that > 10th is> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > house for> > > > > > > > > > > father. So carrying these discussions may not > yield> > > > > much> > > > > > > > > results.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which > is> > > > > > > Father's> > > > > > > > > House -> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest and > considering> > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > cases> > > > > > > > > > > to reach> > > > > > > > > > > > an educated conclusion.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love and > affection,> > > > > > > > > learning and> > > > > > > > > > > > imagination and progeny, Sun's placement > itself> > > > > > > indicates a> > > > > > > > > loving> > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with father.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a supporting > case,> > > > > If> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > remember> > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup aspects > 10'th house> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > father,> > > > > > > > > > > and 2nd> > > > > > > > > > > > house of family.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed in > 6'th, so,> > > > > his> > > > > > > > > father was> > > > > > > > > > > > also a learned and well reputed in society.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna Lord's > placement> > > > > in> > > > > > > 9'th> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > should denote expenses as part of duty > towards, has> > > > > > > given> > > > > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at 1:35 pm, > New> > > > > Delhi,> > > > > > > she> > > > > > > > > has to> > > > > > > > > > > > support his father and family, her's is a > Libra asc> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > venus is> > > > > > > > > > > placed> > > > > > > > > > > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord placed in > 10 but> > > > > as> > > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > > is also> > > > > > > > > > > > there, father still has enough land and other> > > > > immovable> > > > > > > > > property> > > > > > > > > > > but in> > > > > > > > > > > > joint possession with his brothers.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag > (karnataka) at> > > > > > > 14:57> > > > > > > > > PM, he> > > > > > > > > > > is a> > > > > > > > > > > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in virgo in > 9'th, he> > > > > > > hardly> > > > > > > > > earns> > > > > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 - 12,000 > to> > > > > parents.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen his > case.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and Sun's > combination> > > > > we> > > > > > > get> > > > > > > > > > > > straightforward explanation regarding father, > we have> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > examined 9'th> > > > > > > > > > > > as expenses, service and duty towards father.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny and not > the> > > > > > > jataka, so> > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th and 10th > lord> > > > > > > > > exchanging> > > > > > > > > > > places> > > > > > > > > > > > leading to bond between the jataka and > father, even> > > > > > > > > assuming, but> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to > represent father.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in this case happens to be the karaka > as well> > > > > as> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > > > lord, so> > > > > > > > > > > > its good placement and the father being > powerful can> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > prove> > > > > > > > > > > that 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > bhava is for father.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > But as I say, if you can interpret the > chart better> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > those> > > > > > > > > > > > parameters, that is fine. Only the example > does not> > > > > > show> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > 10th is> > > > > > > > > > > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru had > Sun in the> > > > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > and yet> > > > > > > > > > > it is> > > > > > > > > > > > not the 10th lord, that being in the 3rd > bhava. His> > > > > 9th> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > also in> > > > > > > > > > > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his > father. That> > > > > his> > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > was very> > > > > > > > > > > > powerful man and it is only through his > contacts with> > > > > > > Gandhi> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > Nehru> > > > > > > > > > > > got close to him and then became > primeminister is> > > > > > common> > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. You> > > > > > > > > > > > may like to think about this too.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:51 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: > Which is> > > > > > > Father's> > > > > > > > > > > House -> > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m always open > for> > > > > every> > > > > > > > > thing,> > > > > > > > > > > closing> > > > > > > > > > > > > my mind to my liking or to views to which i > m> > > > > > > comfortable,> > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > help objective of updating the astrology to > today's> > > > > > > needs.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have given required weightage to Sun the > karaka> > > > > for> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > father in> > > > > > > > > > > > > this case, Pls. note that I said, exchange > between> > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > Jup> > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special bond > between girl> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > father.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Father is well placed and a director of > dept of> > > > > > > > > environment> > > > > > > > > > > with MP> > > > > > > > > > > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun and Jup > also> > > > > > > signifies> > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > factor.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed, Rahu's> > > > > > involvement> > > > > > > > > cancells> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in our group > where 4> > > > > > or> > > > > > > 5> > > > > > > > > > > planets are> > > > > > > > > > > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they have > not given> > > > > up> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > significations of the concerned house > rather they> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > become> > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > inclined to the significations, becomes more> > > > > worldy :> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has> > > > > Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > 11'th> > > > > > > > > > > and his> > > > > > > > > > > > > focus is on earning more and more.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th has> > > > > > > Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu,> > > > > > > > > She> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptionaly profession minded.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna : 2nd > house has> > > > > > > > > > > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > and at the age of 74, he is struggling for > setting> > > > > up> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > factory> > > > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > > > his family members, still, working as > President of> > > > > > His> > > > > > > > > group of> > > > > > > > > > > > > companies.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is a > contributer> > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow's> > > > > > > > > > > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house has> > > > > > > > > > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and> > > > > > > > > > > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his > duties, his> > > > > > > father's> > > > > > > > > > > sickness> > > > > > > > > > > > > has finishe all the savings and he is > supporting> > > > > > > family,> > > > > > > > > Ravi's> > > > > > > > > > > case> > > > > > > > > > > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify father but > refers to> > > > > > > > > father's> > > > > > > > > > > health> > > > > > > > > > > > > and expenses on father.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you think you have already > established that> > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > is for> > > > > > > > > > > > > father, you will not like to see the chart > from any> > > > > > > angle> > > > > > > > > than> > > > > > > > > > > yours.> > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is not very wise for me to point out > that 9th> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > going> > > > > > > > > > > to 6th> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not indicate clashes with father as > 6th and> > > > > 9th> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > mutual> > > > > > > > > > > > > square. You do not seem to give any > weightage to> > > > > > > Karaka> > > > > > > > > for> > > > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > > > and are free to take your own view of the > matter.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you are better informed about > how> > > > > > > Pravrajya> > > > > > > > > yoga is> > > > > > > > > > > > > formed, but I do seem to remember that > Parashara in> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > chapter> > > > > > > > > > > on> > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or more than > four> > > > > > > grahas,> > > > > > > > > when in> > > > > > > > > > > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is caused.> > > > > Barring> > > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is always > retrograde> > > > > > so> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > grahas are> > > > > > > > > > > > > indeed strong. I think almost all classics > repeat> > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > position.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008 8:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Which > is> > > > > > > Father's> > > > > > > > > House -> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri Chandrashekhar > Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus (7'th > lord)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) + Jup > (5'th lord)> > > > > +> > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > > (lagna> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord) + Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true house for > father,> > > > > > > it's> > > > > > > > > going to> > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th house, should create differences > between them,> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > she> > > > > > > > > > > shares a> > > > > > > > > > > > > special bond with her father , why ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and love is > in> > > > > 10'th> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > father and profession and 10'th lord Sun is > placed> > > > > in> > > > > > > 5'th> > > > > > > > > > > house of> > > > > > > > > > > > > love and affection so, this girl and her > father> > > > > > shares> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > special bond> > > > > > > > > > > > > of love.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house has > Jup, Satu,> > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu,> > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Pravajya, this combination > makes her> > > > > > > > > workaholic,her> > > > > > > > > > > life> > > > > > > > > > > > > is her profession and her father.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly > placed, this> > > > > > > > > horoscope has> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > clue for that also, same exhange between > Sun and> > > > > Jup> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > 5'th> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to father.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun has > gone to> > > > > 6'th> > > > > > > > > house,> > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a prime cause of having differences with > ur> > > > > father.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I hope, I have established 10'th is > the house> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th is expenses and health of father, > similar to> > > > > > > 12'th> > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for > confusion. I m> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > > > > on my> > > > > > > > > > > > > findings as I do that with a vision to > update> > > > > > > astrology to> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > needs> > > > > > > > > > > > > of this age, recently, I have done good > work to> > > > > find> > > > > > > out> > > > > > > > > stream> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > management - Investment, Finance, > Marketting, or> > > > > > > General> > > > > > > > > Admin.> > > > > > > > > > > I got> > > > > > > > > > > > > clue from some classics which are not too > popular> > > > > but> > > > > > > thir> > > > > > > > > > > auther's> > > > > > > > > > > > > have done good work.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > neenu> > > > > > > > > > > > > <mechumla@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only if > there are 5> > > > > > > planets> > > > > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > > > > house. So how does this girl native have > that yoga,> > > > > > as> > > > > > > she> > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > only 4> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets in 10th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following this thread with > much> > > > > > > interest,> > > > > > > > > as the> > > > > > > > > > > > > girl here has a horoscope very similar to > mine, at> > > > > > > least> > > > > > > > > in my> > > > > > > > > > > naive> > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and mercury> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju + ma + > ra> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am right, > Su which> > > > > > > > > represent> > > > > > > > > > > > > father in my case is in 6th house, which is > 9th> > > > > from> > > > > > > 10th> > > > > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is aspected > by Rahu> > > > > +> > > > > > > Ju.> > > > > > > > > My> > > > > > > > > > > ninth> > > > > > > > > > > > > house lord moon is debilitated at lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not very close with my father, and > did not> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > best> > > > > > > > > > > > > of relationship with him. In the past eight > years> > > > > if> > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > have to> > > > > > > > > > > > > literally calculate, I have only spent > about 40-45> > > > > > > days> > > > > > > > > living> > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > him and must have spoken on phone not more > then 10-> > > > > 11> > > > > > > hrs> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > time> > > > > > > > > > > > > cumulative.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much of this statistic is exaggerated, > as I> > > > > have> > > > > > > been> > > > > > > > > away> > > > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > home since the age of 19, but whenever i do > call> > > > > > home,> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > mostly> > > > > > > > > > > speak> > > > > > > > > > > > > with my mother, with father it doesnt go > beyond a> > > > > > > minute.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But even when I was at home from the > age of 10-> > > > > > 18,> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > did> > > > > > > > > > > argue> > > > > > > > > > > > > with him a lot.Its not that I dislike him, > but> > > > > > > anything he> > > > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end up not > liking> > > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neenu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol litsol@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] > Re: Two> > > > > > > Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's > Vimshottari> > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008, > 4:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit to what > you> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > stated. She> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given up her father rather she is a > Dad's> > > > > > > daughter,> > > > > > > > > her> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life revolves> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around her father and she follows her > dad> > > > > even> > > > > > > in her> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She can foresake anything if father > asks, she> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > done it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to my > question> > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya related to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not > clarify the> > > > > > > concept> > > > > > > > > better?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th lord > indicates> > > > > that> > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work could be > related> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > acquired> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher > studies. But> > > > > > > analyzing> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference to other grahas is more > than likely> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > lead to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inferences being drawn than > confirming some> > > > > > > point or> > > > > > > > > > > other.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in this > case Sun is> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 10th lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So coming > to any> > > > > > > > > conclusions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about whether> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the house to be> > > > > > > considered for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father, here ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may not be very logical.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka for the > Jataka's> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother so it is mother> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered as the > 4th is> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > occupied> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Ketu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect of many> > > > > > malefics,> > > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter also> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects the 4th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 29, 2008 > 5:45 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] > Re: Two> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in 10'th, > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and Sun, > pls. let's> > > > > > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as father's > house, what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates, his position and status > in> > > > > society> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as father's > house, what> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of father it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his position and status in society > and> > > > > > > relationship> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with father,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I m> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to 6'th > house,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, an afflicted and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from 10'th. > That guru> > > > > is> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company of - Sat,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and mars.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of > Pravajya in> > > > > 10'th> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this case ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the > confusion> > > > > forever,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes, in lack> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong theories> > > > > cireculate,> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luckily we have> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the > distinction.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up her > father or> > > > > > forsake> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him in his hour> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of need?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has just > begun and> > > > > Guru,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commence. So how does this prove > the 10th> > > > > > > versus> > > > > > > > > 9th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debate?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 28, 2008 > 3:50 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > > > Two> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's Vimshottari > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u remain so > cool> > > > > and> > > > > > so> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice, this is one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from u, > living in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur's company.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction of > 10'th and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i have > another> > > > > > horoscope> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u analyzed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some 4> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months back.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March 1980, > 0.20 A.M> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her 10'th > bhava, lagna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is scorpio, but she> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained very adament on her job > front,> > > > > > > broken> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her marriage but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left her job.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha, has much > oomph for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy affair with> > > > > > exceptions> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given to it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope will > settle the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusion over both> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's house > forever.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th > together gives> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but has > nothing to do> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacrifice for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel has > similar> > > > > yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in her chart and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she did> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for her > father's> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sake. Actually she was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her parents > married> > > > > > after> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her birth. Plus> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in 9th > without any> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets to give> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different interpretation to the > results.> > > > > In> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case of the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jataka> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are other grahas with those > planets> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also the node and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not allow the results of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to come> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with your > proposition> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to look at the 10th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhava for father. However if > you are> > > > > > able> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict right> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that premise, you could use it as > such.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, September 25, > 2008 8:14> > > > > PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's > Vimshottari> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at it > this way -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in 9'th, the > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindness> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore for his > duties> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards father(10'th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, )he> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th is 12'th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th, we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get straightforward explanation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is noticed > that for> > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duties he can leave> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this gives > him very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basic elligibility for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material, Pls. > note that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother nation) GURU > is> > > > > placed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 9'th and which in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself, what more > evident> > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3'rd lord of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initiatives> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed in 9'th > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th lord of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru, Sone Pe > Suhaga !!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper inputs, > proper> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction, he should do> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his > matribhumi coz,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects lagna too.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> > > > > vattem> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly brought > out both> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues of attending to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as 9th is > also from> > > > > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 5th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Under the circumstances,the > native> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be taking care of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya yoga > makes him> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider to attend> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father as more important > leading to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacrifice of his own> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future.In> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem condition > like> > > > > Lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sriram going to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forest> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown to > Bharata.it is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely that during the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions will be > arising> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take to the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recourse.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08, > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Two > Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 > Day's> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September > 24, 2008,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2:24 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in > exploring the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibilities. However> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should remember that we are > trying to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove some sage wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are using > most of the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles given by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised a new > system by> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing both MBA > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attending to father would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th bhava> > > > > indications.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava after all> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies (5th > from 5th)> > > > > so> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he did give up the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th bhava > and the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the dasha > which will> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell when he may take> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or duties. > Of> > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my comments are only> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I do not > know> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about the person.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, September > 24, 2008> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9:31 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh > ealing]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's > Vimshottari> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this guy > was doing> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his MBA that he left> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > halfway> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because he was required at > home> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during father's ailment.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing so many > things> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in groups is to open> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avenues> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas that we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed in last few> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > centuries> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to go back > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clssics and some other time> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine what is > stated> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there in.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the Pravrajya > yoga> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > steady in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his duties?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 23,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first chart moon > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha with > Rahu and 5> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more planets.The sign> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raising> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is agian a odd > sign> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles ahead of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if seen > from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems to have > made up> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his mind about the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl.The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has all > trials and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tribulations in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back ground > probably> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his preparedness to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building character is very > distant.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows all 1,5 > and 9> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with rahu and > saturns> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but has 5th > lord in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in both > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases only suggests that the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may prepare > for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideals.where> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall get some> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recognition and status in life> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other above average person> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in both > chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to support for the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any native > in life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart, I see> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could > indicate either> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving up father or> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duties.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj yogas but > they are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars aspecting > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna would give the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temper,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what yoga you > could> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > locate that would> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the right > material> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for building India. Of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I think that every > citizen> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this country could> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build the country if only he > does his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own duties properly> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting the Government to > do them> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for him.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case too, the > 5th> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent and I > for one> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am not very certain if> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building material.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be totally wrong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having missed something that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So please > elaborate.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second chart,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 22, > 2008> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:13 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other Elders,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two potential> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor for > building> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow's India,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started coming in contact > with good> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal families > but they> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have courage and will to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fight> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally > brilliant,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my younger> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i expect a > lot from> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication in the chart and > as per> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his query and desire, I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of young age > and that> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before Nov 2008,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It was true, > I see,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a transformation in his> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u elders > see -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the horoscope, you > can> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verify if Exalted and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets Behave like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > met> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as the > chart> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates, he is very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handsom ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and have shown > courage> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to speak for the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a > contributor for> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the society -> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great loss in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to close the > shop.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vimshottari Period> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "11-Jun-2006 to 20-Jun-2006> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness, > disintegration of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the family, compulsation> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking food separately, deep > distress> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc"> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time : Sat, 06> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > January 1979> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth : Narnaul,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N > Longitude : 76> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 E> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 17, 2008

Dear Sir,

Kalidasa was writing on Karaktwa's of the grahas and bhavas, not on

Bhavat Bhavam, if he was writing on bhavat bhavam, he could have

included this approach in context of other bhavas too, not only

exlusively for 9'th bhava.

And, if we go by relationship among bhavas, even 6'th bhava is

related to 5'th bhava of progeny, many classics have references with

6'th bhava for Progeny purpose.

Sir, You will admit Late Sree Sitaram Jha's expertise in sanskrit

and contribution to astrology, because of his efforts we have BPHS

in current shape at our hand, He also said 10'th is father's house,

I can give shloka from his phalit vikas.

And finally, 9'th bhava dictum doesnt stand in context of Nehru's

case, his father Motilal enjoyed respect and comfort from British

and contributed to fight for indian independance also, he was a man

of no dispute, I think his horoscope w'd have better configurations

then Nehru himself.

W'd request you to let us know how 9'th lord theory satisfies above

characteristics of his personality and status, no need to repeat,

9'th lord is in 6'th conjunct Ketu and aspected by Mars, does it not

signify father should face lots of hardships/obstacles and also

Jawaharlal should not inherit father's prpoerty.

Pls. dont think that i dont respect u,I truly do, but, 9'th bhava

doesnt explain any thing in Nehru's case, only thing is, you will

have to exclusively exempt 9'th lord's going to 6'th and it's

conjunction with ketu, you will have to say, this placement doesnt

create disputes in Nehru's case but in other's case, it creates

disputes.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> 9th being 5th form the 5th is also seen for progeny and in stree

jataka it is specifically seen for progeny. There is no reason to

doubt Bhattotpal's expertise in Sanskrit as many other learned

people and even Professor of Sanskrit with Banaras Hindu University

have translated SVA in similar fashion. Of course if it is only

opposition for the sake of opposition, I can not comment.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:48 PM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Study of Family

Deterioration : 10'th House, Nehru and Father

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> If Bhatotpala was right and Sva is " wealth " then what

> does " PutraPtrischa " mean after wealth, will we say now, 9'th is

the

> house for progeny also.

>

> I thought deeply before posting Sva's meaning to group and took

a

> meaning which justifies the shloka and contect coz, father's

sons

> and daughters are siblings to native and 9'th is 7'th from 3rd

thus

> forms a direct relationship.

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

> <litsol@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I utter anything after i m very confirmed, If Bhattotpla is

wrong,

> > he is wrong, If i m wrong, I m also wrong.

> >

> > I m not fancy of big names. during my school days, i could

> fluently

> > speak and write in sanskrit like i could do in hindi over the

> period

> > it didn't remain in practice but i dont doubt that i have

clarity

> in

> > understanding sanskrit.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit

> >

> > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > Perhaps you are a better Sanskrit scholar than Bhattotpal. I

do

> > not think his interpretation is wrong.

> > >

> > > By the way, if you look at Sanskrit dictionaries, you may

find

> one

> > of its (Sva) meaning to be one's wealth.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Wednesday, October 15, 2008 4:33 PM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Study of Family

> > Deterioration : 10'th House, Nehru and Father

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > Few incorrect things have been in practise since thousands

> > years, If

> > > we go by " Sanskrit Pada Anvaya " , SVA can never be wealth,

sva

> > means,

> > > own portion, like " Sva-Ayam " = Me, " Sva ADhyaya " = Self

> > Study, " Sva

> > > Jana " = Own People, similarly " Pitur Sva " = Father's own but

> > what ?

> > > Next term makes sense to that - " PutraPutrisha " = Sons and

> > Daughters.

> > >

> > > I m trully suprised, why corrective measures have been not

> taken

> > in

> > > last thousand years, Jyotish depricated to blind belief coz

we

> > failed

> > > to formulate confirmed rules.

> > >

> > > I was expecting mr. pradeep will give list of the sages who

> said

> > 9'th

> > > is father's house, however, no list came. Truth is no sage

has

> > said

> > > 9'th is father's house except for some internet based

today's

> > sages,

> > > those who are running their schools on net.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > I have no desire to enter into endless arguments. However

it

> > might

> > > interest you to know that " Sva " has been interpreted as

wealth

> > by

> > > many learned Sanskrit scholars including Bhattotpal, the

> > venerated

> > > translator of Brihat Jataka and author of other jyotish

> classics.

> > > >

> > > > You have already decided to be judge Jury and the advocate

> for

> > 10th

> > > representing the father, relegating many acharyas and

> > Pravartakas to

> > > the category of being ignoramus in Jyotish, and therefore no

> > purpose

> > > is going to be served in further arguments.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:26 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Study of Family

> > > Deterioration : 10'th House, Nehru and Father

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > In order to rejects the truth you will have to change the

> > history

> > > of nehru and his father, Nehru has clearly expressed he has

> > resigned

> > > from congress in 1923 - 24 when his father also resigned, so

> > there is

> > > no point in saying that father left son's party and there

was

> > > difference bewteen them.

> > > >

> > > > Let's dissect the shloka of uttarkalamrita quoted by you

> says,

> > as

> > > per you -

> > > >

> > > > {Adhyaaya 5 part of shloka 17 that indicates the

indications

> > of

> > > the 9th

> > > > bhava: " puSTiH sajjana saMgatiH shubh

> > pitrusvaputraputrystathaa}

> > > >

> > > > pitrusva = father's own, putra putry stathaa - son and

> > daughter,

> > > that means, native's father's son and daughters, i.e,

native's

> > > sibling, which is logical as 9'th is 7'th to 3rd house of

> > siblings.

> > > >

> > > > You also said - {So pray throw some light on why does

> > > Shambhuprakash hora say that when Sun is in10th one gets

> wealth

> > from

> > > the Father,and so on, at shloka 213?}

> > > >

> > > > Let's get back to base, from the shloka no 205, Shambhu

Hora

> > > Prakash discusses livelihood and help given for native's

> > livelihood

> > > by his relative with the help of planets placed in 10'th

house.

> > > >

> > > > the shloka no 205 is - " Sutau Lgnad Ambare yo Baliyaan

> > > Vrittirnunam tasya Khetasya Vrityaha "

> > > >

> > > > then in shloka no 208, it says - " Lagnen Endyutau (Lagna

or

> > from

> > > Moon) Dinakarau (Sun) Amabrgo Narasay (goes to 10'th)

> > Dravyaagamam

> > > cha Vividho Udyam Vrittiyogat (will get monetary gains from

> lots

> > of

> > > activities.

> > > >

> > > > Now, after discussing the source and he comes to who helps

> the

> > > native in getting wealth or livelihood, he says, in Sun's

> dasha

> > the

> > > father helps in Sun is placed in 10'th, if Moon is placed in

> > 10'th,

> > > mother helps, if Mercury is placed in 10'th friends etc.

> > > >

> > > > The shloka is - " Suryadi bhir Gagan(10'th) Gais Tanauto (

> goes

> > > from Lagna, tanu = lagna) ....... Arthagmastu janakascha

tatha

> > > jananyah .... "

> > > >

> > > > Sir, I have requested you to pls. keep consistancey in the

> > > discussion, me and people look at you with request, if u

> present

> > > broken references with split and confusing meaning of the

> > shlokas ,

> > > the authenticity will be questioned.

> > > >

> > > > It's not only you, nobody has inputs to add for 9'th house

> as

> > > father's house coz truth denies it, nehru's case was given

by

> > you,

> > > not by me and 9'th is father, this theory has failed in this

> > case

> > > given by you as well as in all other cases discussed in

group.

> > > >

> > > > -- > I dont know how many of us has studied family's

> > > deterioration, I have been going through the horoscope

various

> > > generations of families and found deterioration begins with

> the

> > > person who gets Rahu in 2nd house, may be there are other

> > > significations too but this is the one u can always rely.

And

> if

> > the

> > > person is eldest born in family, he dosnt able to keep the

> > family

> > > lineage on track.

> > > >

> > > > --> And finally, what's the house of acceptibility of the

> > truth,

> > > I have been immersed in deep thoughts and what i come to

know

> is

> > it's

> > > the 7'th house, which should be seen to know how much one is

> > > receptive of the truth. if there is concentration of malific

> > planets

> > > in 7'th, natives dont easily accept the truth.

> > > >

> > > > We can judge above two points in the light of the facts.

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you think nobody in the world can justify their

> > perception

> > > of relations between Nehru and his father, as against their

> > relations

> > > etc.,based on the 9th being the bhava for father and Sun

being

> > the

> > > Karaka for father. So be it. I have no wish to wash the

dirty

> > linens

> > > of the Nehru family on the list to explain why the 9th does

> > explain

> > > his father better. So I have no inputs to add.

> > > > >

> > > > > However please do not expect me to treat 10th bhava as

the

> > > bhava for father.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Monday, October 13, 2008 7:53 PM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: History ->

Nehru :

> > > 10'th House and Father in Classics

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > You are the Guru of the group, the most learned and

> > experienced

> > > among

> > > > > members, your view on what house signifies father is in

> fact

> > a

> > > legacy

> > > > > view and why i interacted with you was just for the

reason

> > that

> > > if u

> > > > > come to the approving stage, will be good for astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > With 9'th house for father nobody in world can analyze

> > Nehru's

> > > > > horoscope to know what kind of father he had and what

kind

> of

> > > > > relationship they had. Nehru criticized Gandhi but Never

> > > criticized his

> > > > > father, and not only Nehru, in all 4 - 5 cases, 9'th

lord

> > > dictum has

> > > > > failed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sages have explored truth in their whole life and if we

> also

> > > reveal

> > > > > truth, we are following their path and my argument is

only

> > > based on

> > > > > truth and only on truth. I wish to close all such

> confusions

> > so

> > > that

> > > > > next generation can have a clean clear and confirmed

> > astrology

> > > in their

> > > > > hand, I will end all the myths that one can not learn

> > astrology

> > > in a

> > > > > life time etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, the matter is decided that 10'th house + Sun

signifies

> > the

> > > father.

> > > > > Now, we will explore why one get's wealth from father,

if

> > sun

> > > is placed

> > > > > in 10'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > We are bound to inherit something or the other from

> father,

> > if

> > > not more,

> > > > > at least a genetic inheritance is always there, If Sun

is

> > > there, means

> > > > > father is capable fatherly figure and he will obviously

> give

> > > his best to

> > > > > his child.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have already said that if you want to believe 10th

is

> > for

> > > father you

> > > > > can do so and that I did not want to enter in to any

> > argument

> > > on this

> > > > > account.

> > > > > > However it seems that you want to continue the

> discussions

> > at

> > > some

> > > > > level.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So first let me ask where is the shloka from Uttara

> > kalamrita

> > > that you

> > > > > based your entire argument on with a rider that it is a

> 1500

> > > year old

> > > > > text>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As to Shambhu Prakash hora, no doubt the shloka is

> right,

> > but

> > > if 10th

> > > > > indicates the Father why should it show the wealth of

> father

> > > which

> > > > > should be the 11th if we accept 10th as the bhava fro

> > father.

> > > So pray

> > > > > throw some light on why does Shambhuprakash hora say

that

> > when

> > > Sun is in

> > > > > 10th one gets wealth from the Father,and so on, at

shloka

> > 213?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As to accepting what Nehru wrote about his relations

> with

> > his

> > > father,

> > > > > there is no reason to accept as gospel truth since

barring

> > > Gandhi, not

> > > > > many Indian politicians are renowned for writing their

> true

> > > nature in

> > > > > auto biography. The fact of Motilal having left Congress

> but

> > > Nehru

> > > > > having stuck to Congress is a matter of record.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had no intention to bring this on record but since

you

> > > insisted on

> > > > > Nehru having only unadulterated good relations with his

> > father

> > > and that

> > > > > indicating 10th being the bhava for father, I had

> > reluctantly

> > > to bring

> > > > > out the facts, much as it pained me to do so. I do not

> deny

> > > Nehru was

> > > > > close to his father as he derived the power from the

> > influence

> > > Motilal

> > > > > had on Gandhi. But that he had only good relations as

you

> > tried

> > > to

> > > > > project is far from truth. Their love was never of

> > Mythological

> > > > > proportion as was claimed by you and that is what I said

> in

> > the

> > > message.

> > > > > If you want to read more than what is said therein, I

can

> > not

> > > ask you

> > > > > not to. The words mythological proportion are yours and

> not

> > > mine.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have consistently asked you to post shloka from

Uttara

> > > Kalamitra and

> > > > > you are avoiding that. For the knowledge of the readers,

> > since

> > > you are

> > > > > insinuating that I am changing my stand and speaking far

> > from

> > > truth, I

> > > > > will give the shloka below with the translation. I am

sure

> > the

> > > readers

> > > > > can see the true state of affairs.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Adhyaaya 5 part of shloka 17 that indicates the

> > indications

> > > of the 9th

> > > > > bhava:

> > > > > > " puSTiH sajjana saMgatiH shubh

> pitrusvaputraputrystathaa. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am sure one need not explain that Pitru means

father.

> > Could

> > > you now

> > > > > take out some time to give the shloka on which you based

> > that

> > > classic (a

> > > > > 1500 years old as you called it) giving the karakatwas

of

> > > father to 10th

> > > > > bhava.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Saturday, October 11, 2008 10:19 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] History -> Nehru :

> > 10'th

> > > House and

> > > > > Father in Classics

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls find the The shloka from Shambhu Hora Prakash, Pls

> > refer

> > > to shloka

> > > > > No. 189. of " Dasham Bhava Vichara " :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > !! Shubham Nivasam Janakah padaptim Vrishtistwa

> > PitraPaksha

> > > Gyatam!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Janakah = Father, PitraPaksha = Father.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's taken from R Santhanam's sanskrit - english

version

> > of

> > > Shambhu

> > > > > Hora Prakash, Next, I m happy to reveal a rarely known

> fact

> > > about Nehru.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Pls. refer to Nehru's AutoBiography published by

> > Penguin,

> > > He writes

> > > > > in pages from 132 to 138 in a chapter titled as " My

Father

> > and

> > > > > GandhiJi " . he describes his appreciation and close

> > relationship

> > > with his

> > > > > father and difference with Gandhi Ji, In 1924, Nehru

sent

> his

> > > > > resignation to leave Congress because like his father he

> was

> > > not in

> > > > > agreement with Gandhi Ji, Nehru says that the way Gandhi

> Ji

> > is

> > > limiting

> > > > > membership is like a violance to established rules of

> > Congress.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He says, Gandhiji had no good sense of beauty but he

> > admired

> > > natural

> > > > > beauty and like tajmahal, he also said he got despaired

> from

> > > gandhi ji

> > > > > coz he didn't get his answers, he says several times,

> gandhi

> > ji

> > > had

> > > > > hardly vision for future cource of action of movements

> > against

> > > British,

> > > > > still, he follows gandhi ji.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Next, he says, whatever differences with gandhiji his

> > father

> > > had in

> > > > > him, he has a strength of personality and kingly

> impression,

> > he

> > > further

> > > > > says his father used to be center and hub of the parties

> > > wherever he

> > > > > goes to, he further says, his father had a look like

those

> > of

> > > Italian

> > > > > emperors and refers to some incident when his one of

> italian

> > > friends

> > > > > said this about his father's charming persona. When his

> > father

> > > left the

> > > > > Congress, he became inactive in Congress and not a

single

> > time

> > > he

> > > > > opposes or criticizes his father's move, Nehru maintains

> > love

> > > and

> > > > > dignity to his father and at the same time doesnt stand

> > against

> > > gandhi

> > > > > ji, he also doesnt compare gandhi ji's political vision

> with

> > his

> > > > > father's political vision.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. It's my request to you to pls keep consistancy in

the

> > > discussion,

> > > > > Quite contrary to what u said in last message, earlier

in

> > > message no.

> > > > > #5221, You said Nehru was quite close to his father, -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Pandit Nehru had Sun in the 5th and yet it is not the

> > 10th

> > > lord, that

> > > > > being in the 3rd bhava. His 9th lord is also in the 6th

> but

> > he

> > > was

> > > > > fairly close to his father. That his father was very

> > powerful

> > > man and it

> > > > > is only through his contacts with Gandhi that Nehru got

> > close

> > > to him and

> > > > > then became primeminister is common knowledge. You may

> like

> > to

> > > think

> > > > > about this too. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, u completely changed ur opinion in the last

> message -

> > " I

> > > do not

> > > > > find the love between Jawaharlal and his father to be of

> > > mythological

> > > > > proportion. There are many references that say that

> > Jawaharlal

> > > had

> > > > > differences with his father and leaving the party of Son

> to

> > > join another

> > > > > party does not seem to fit in with your assertion to

love

> > > between son

> > > > > and father of mythological proportions " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If u want me to post shlokas from other classics

listed

> in

> > my

> > > previous

> > > > > messages, I will post them, but that's very combursome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls. trust me, my purpose is very clean and with no

base

> > and

> > > no

> > > > > confirmation i never raise an argument.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I never take anything at personal level. I only

asked

> > you

> > > to quote

> > > > > the shloka that you said was in Uttara Kalamrita. When

you

> > > quote the

> > > > > names of classics, one has to be certain that they do

say

> > what

> > > one

> > > > > claims in their names. I have seen you quoting the same,

> > coming

> > > from

> > > > > Shambhu Prakash Hora in a mail to Krishnan, yet that

text

> > does

> > > not say

> > > > > so.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have already said that if you want to look at 10th

> as

> > the

> > > bhava

> > > > > for father, you can do so. But if you say that the logic

> you

> > > use proves

> > > > > all the sages to be wrong, I disagree.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not find the love between Jawaharlal and his

> father

> > to

> > > be of

> > > > > mythological proportion. There are many references that

> say

> > that

> > > > > Jawaharlal had differences with his father and leaving

the

> > > party of Son

> > > > > to join another party does not seem to fit in with your

> > > assertion to

> > > > > love between son and father of mythological proportions.

> > That

> > > Jawaharlal

> > > > > opposed marriage proposal brought in by his father, but

> > finally

> > > gave in

> > > > > under immense pressure, is well known. This certainly

does

> > not

> > > speak of

> > > > > love between father and son, that was of mythological

> > > proportion, no

> > > > > matter what is the popular public perception.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > Friday, October 10, 2008 7:40 PM

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

> > Father's

> > > House -

> > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is nothing to take a discussion to a personal

> > ground,

> > > I m only

> > > > > > > doing an effort to update the astrology and remove

> it's

> > > confusing

> > > > > > > portion, otherwise, what's my interest in

astrology ?

> > where

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > is required for me to do anything, there is no need

to

> > post

> > > to group

> > > > > > > anything. yesterday, I have left all the astrology's

> > group

> > > coz, i

> > > > > > > found, cheats and beggers have become astrology guru

> and

> > > they are

> > > > > > > very good in lobying.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > that what's wrong is wrong, In nehru's case, 9'th

lord

> > not

> > > only goes

> > > > > > > to 6'th, it's further afflicted with Kety and on top

> of

> > > that Mars

> > > > > > > aspects it and there is no protecting cover of Jup's

> > aspect.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, If 9'th and 9'th lord denotes Father,

definitely,

> > there

> > > is very

> > > > > > > high degree of affliction to 9'th lord which should

> lead

> > to

> > > a

> > > > > > > division but history is evident how Motilal loved

> > > JwaharLal, his

> > > > > love

> > > > > > > for Jawahar has become mythological.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My argument is based on practical truth,when i

> presented

> > it

> > > before,

> > > > > I

> > > > > > > had vague memory of classics where i did read them,

i

> > > happen to

> > > > > > > include uttar kalamrita also, however, uttar

kalamrita

> > has

> > > not said

> > > > > > > anything on father fore sure, author has

> said " Pirtusya "

> > > (not

> > > > > > > remembering exactly) with respect to 9'th, i think

he

> is

> > > trying to

> > > > > > > indicate as u said, father's wealth, which i find,

> > expense

> > > of

> > > > > > > father's wealth, but not the father itself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I m fully aware of indian history,studied it very

well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why not give the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita that

> you

> > > based your

> > > > > > > argument on? That should suffice. There is no need

to

> > > divert the

> > > > > > > discussion to any other classic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way, I do have Uttara kalamitra and have

> > certainly

> > > read it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way, do you know that Motilal angered the

> > Kashmiri

> > > Brahmins

> > > > > > > due to his western life style and frequent visits to

> > > England. Or

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > Motilal gave up congress and Joined Swaraj party

> before

> > > returning to

> > > > > > > Congress on the failure of that party. So contrary

to

> > what

> > > you might

> > > > > > > think, Jawaharlal and his father did not always see

> eye

> > to

> > > eye on

> > > > > > > many matters.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:45 AM

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

> > Father's

> > > House -

> > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are not supposed to do the analysis of Nehru's

> > 9'th

> > > bhava,

> > > > > > > rather

> > > > > > > > u have to read his Father with help of 9'th and

that

> > > without

> > > > > > > > distorting any other established principle, 9'th

> lord

> > is

> > > > > > > afflicted

> > > > > > > > with ketu, placed in 6'th and aspected by Mars.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So, you are not going to ignore these 3 basic

things.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will put the shlokas from 5 -6 classics which

said

> > > father has

> > > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > seen from 10'th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I m not sure, u have read them or not, perhaps,

you

> > have

> > > not read

> > > > > > > > them that's why u are not able to review ur

> > > opinion,however, in

> > > > > > > last

> > > > > > > > 33 cases, ur findings about one's father was

wrong,

> > > that's i

> > > > > > > > said, " Truth " doesnt need acceptance coz " Truth "

> > works,

> > > If we

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > accept the truth, we do mistakes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I find you have not given the shloka from Uttara

> > > Kalamrita that

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > claimed says 10th bhava represents the father.

Once

> > you

> > > give that

> > > > > > > > shloka, I shall certainly give my analysis of 9th

> > bhava

> > > of Nehru.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:02 PM

> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which is

> > > Father's

> > > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls. analyze Nehru's horoscope taking 9'th as

> father

> > > and tell

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > group what results u get.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not twist logic, I never said that Sun in

not

> > > Karaka for

> > > > > > > > > father, if u remeber, I said, In Nehru and the

> other

> > > girl's

> > > > > > > case,

> > > > > > > > > Sun's placement in 5'th has made a loving

> > relationship.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you insist on ignoring the strength of

karaka

> > for

> > > father,

> > > > > > > > Sun,

> > > > > > > > > to understand the status of father, that is your

> > > prerogative.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 9th also represents the husband of younger

> > siblings

> > > and Nehru

> > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > not have good relations with them is a known

fact.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But then as you have already decided that

Uttara

> > > Kalamrita

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > written 1500 years back and must be the only

text

> > that

> > > must be

> > > > > > > > > considered as standard though many other

classics

> do

> > > not think

> > > > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > > to be the house for father, you can do so. I

would

> > > however like

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > to quote the shloka from Uttara Kalamrita which

> says

> > > the 10th

> > > > > > > > bhava

> > > > > > > > > indicates father. I would also like to know why

> that

> > > text calls

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > 9th as wealth of father if it wants to give the

> > status

> > > of

> > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the 10th bhava.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I would also like to know that when you accept

> > Uttara

> > > > > > > Kalamrita

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > the standard text that overrides all else, pray

> why

> > do

> > > you

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > Guru in the 6th does not give happiness, more so

> > when

> > > the 6th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > occupies the 6th bhava, though Uttara Kalamrita

is

> > very

> > > clear

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > this regard and says that it will also increase

> the

> > > indications

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > bhava owned by it?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I presume that now you will also like others

to

> > take

> > > Budha as

> > > > > > > > > karaka for father since it is karaka for the

10th

> > > bhava. I am

> > > > > > > > sure

> > > > > > > > > people will even accept that, but being

dogmatic,

> as

> > > you prefer

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > call me, I prefer to rely more on Vaidyanath,

> > > Mantreshwar,

> > > > > > > > > Parashara, Jaimini, Achyut, Jeevnath, Narada and

> > also

> > > the

> > > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > author of Uttara Kalamrita when he only

amplifies

> > what

> > > has

> > > > > > > > already

> > > > > > > > > been stated by them and other numerous acharyas

> and

> > > Pravartakas

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Jyotish. If I am called dogmatic for that, then

so

> > be

> > > it.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, October 06, 2008 11:08 PM

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Which

is

> > > Father's

> > > > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Being conservative is a very good thing,

> > refinement

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > enhanement is

> > > > > > > > > > the most conservative approach, since the

world

> > came

> > > into

> > > > > > > > > exitance,

> > > > > > > > > > new explorations have been there in the place,

> and

> > > only most

> > > > > > > > > > conservative people have been accepting every

> new

> > > thing, but

> > > > > > > > > those who

> > > > > > > > > > are dogmatic, they do not accept the truth,

> truth

> > > doesnt want

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > acceptance.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If u do not accept, you can never correct

> > information

> > > about

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > father, Pls. try Nehru's case, what u have to

> say,

> > > 9'th lord

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 6'th,

> > > > > > > > > > afflicted by Ketu and aspected by Mars.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Uttar Kalamrita has been written at least some

> > 1500

> > > yrs back,

> > > > > > > > so,

> > > > > > > > > > 10'th being taken as Father's house is not

new,

> I m

> > > > > > > surprised,

> > > > > > > > > why it

> > > > > > > > > > looks new to you.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I thought you were talking about some work

by

> > Mr.

> > > K. N. Rao

> > > > > > > > > himself

> > > > > > > > > > and not through his " Team " . Anyway I cannot

> > comment

> > > on what I

> > > > > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > > > read and without looking at the charts and the

> > logic

> > > used to

> > > > > > > > > prove

> > > > > > > > > > something.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I may appear to be obstinate and

conservative

> in

> > > accepting

> > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > theories, but in these many years I have seen

> too

> > > many " New "

> > > > > > > > > systems

> > > > > > > > > > coming up and fail.I have seen dates of birth

> > changed

> > > to even

> > > > > > > > > upto 2

> > > > > > > > > > years under the garb of time rectification to

> make

> > a

> > > chart

> > > > > > > fit

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > pet

> > > > > > > > > > theory or the author's perception of some

public

> > > figure.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have seen too many times, people with a

pet

> > > theory,

> > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > number of charts and totally misinterpreting

> them

> > to

> > > conform

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > theories, to take something that is at

complete

> > > variance with

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > majority of sages have stated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, October 05, 2008 11:54 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

Which

> is

> > > Father's

> > > > > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Like any house has multiple significations,

> > 10'th

> > > has too,

> > > > > > > > > along

> > > > > > > > > > > with work and fame, it signifies father.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I can not deny 10'th is work and fame.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I referred to recently published 'Finer

> > Techniques

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > Astrological

> > > > > > > > > > > Predictions Part Two' or by K.N Rao and his

> > > research team,

> > > > > > > > > mostly

> > > > > > > > > > > they are saying same thing that we discussed

> > many

> > > times in

> > > > > > > > > group,

> > > > > > > > > > > but, best part is they are receptive and

open,

> > Rahu

> > > in

> > > > > > > 11'th

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd. I have not found Rahu in 11'th works

> > > differently than

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > dscribed in classics, Sri Rao's team is

almost

> > > saying,

> > > > > > > coming

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > near the reality.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It appears that you want everybody accept

> your

> > > premise

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > is the house of father. If you think I am

> > diverting,

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > > > to the 10th being house of work and fame,

that

> > is

> > > your

> > > > > > > > opinion.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I do not comment on Mr. Rao's book., not

> > knowing

> > > which

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > you are

> > > > > > > > > > > talking about.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your insinuation that astrologers ignore

> > daylight

> > > truth,

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > perceived by you is unfortunate to say the

> least.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Since you already think I will land in a

> mess,

> > > there is

> > > > > > > > > nothing

> > > > > > > > > > > further to discuss.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > However you may like to throw light on why

> the

> > > 5th from

> > > > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > should show the house of father. Is this

some

> > other

> > > > > > > daylight

> > > > > > > > > truth

> > > > > > > > > > > that other astrologers are not able to see?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Please desist accusing me of diverting the

> > topic

> > > when it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > who have chosen not to answer the points

> raised

> > and

> > > have

> > > > > > > > > preferred

> > > > > > > > > > > to go off tangent about the size of house of

> > > Nehru's father

> > > > > > > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > > > love between them.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > To:

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, October 04, 2008 2:15 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> Which

> > is

> > > Father's

> > > > > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I expect from you to put complete

> > picture

> > > before

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > group, but u presented a portion of Nehru's

> > > horoscope, Pls.

> > > > > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > divert, I m going to prove 10'th is father's

> > house

> > > in this

> > > > > > > > > mail, I

> > > > > > > > > > > have a cope of Sri K.N Rao's book and group

> will

> > > see how a

> > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > dictum leads to another wrong dictum, If

this

> > > happens to

> > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > K.N Rao

> > > > > > > > > > > what you w'd expect from others, Astrologers

> > have

> > > to show

> > > > > > > > > courage

> > > > > > > > > > > and willingness to consider shortcomings in

> > their

> > > approach,

> > > > > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > > > in their favor only, Let's discuss -

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Cancer with Moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd H : Leo with Sat

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd : Virgo with Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th : Libra with Mer + Venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th : Scorpio with Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th : Saggi, Jup + Ketu, Jup is 9'th lord

> Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > 12'th : Gemini with Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why 9'th can not be father's house, in

this

> > case,

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > is placed in 6'th and afflicted with ketu,

> > morevor,

> > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > aspects

> > > > > > > > > > > 9'th from 3rd house, a first sight case

> > signifying

> > > great

> > > > > > > > > differences

> > > > > > > > > > > to the level of disputes, while analysing

this

> > horo

> > > to know

> > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > ancestral houses, When Sri K. N Rao doesnt

> find

> > a

> > > fitting

> > > > > > > > > reason, he

> > > > > > > > > > > happen to say, Rahu in 12'th, being 4'th

from

> > 9'th

> > > house

> > > > > > > > shows

> > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's Father has made a palace for him, he

> > > conveniently

> > > > > > > > > overlooked

> > > > > > > > > > > mars's aspect on 9'th also while evaluating

> > > father's status

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > palace, this is mockery of astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Now,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why 10'th signifies father, recall Motilal

> > > Nehru's status

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > height, now, pls. note that 10'th house

> receives

> > 4

> > > benific

> > > > > > > > > aspects,

> > > > > > > > > > > aspect of Jup, Ven,Merc and 10'th lord mars,

> > this is

> > > > > > > > > significant

> > > > > > > > > > > that 10'th is aspcted by 10'th lord.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why loving relationship between Nehu and

> > Nehru's

> > > father,

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > karaka of father is placed in 5'th house of

> > love,

> > > similar,

> > > > > > > > > placement

> > > > > > > > > > > that was there Scorpio lagna girl's case.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why Nehru has a palatial house, just look

at

> > 4'th

> > > house

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope, both Venus in own sign Libra +

Merc

> > is

> > > there,

> > > > > > > > > Motilal

> > > > > > > > > > > Nehru didbuy next big house when Jawahar Lal

> was

> > > running

> > > > > > > > > Venus/Merc

> > > > > > > > > > > dasha, How one can overlook, a good Malavya

> > yoga,

> > > but when

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > based on wrong principles, he has to

overlook.

> > So,

> > > Sri K. N

> > > > > > > > > Rao too

> > > > > > > > > > > overlooked this placement and highlighted

Rahu

> > in

> > > 12'th

> > > > > > > being

> > > > > > > > > 4th

> > > > > > > > > > > from 9'th house, Why astrologers dont accept

> > > shortcomings

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > theory, such an acceptance will take them to

> the

> > > true

> > > > > > > cause,

> > > > > > > > > near

> > > > > > > > > > > the truth ?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pls look at Sat in 2nd, Nehru's family was

> > living

> > > in an

> > > > > > > old

> > > > > > > > > area

> > > > > > > > > > > of Allahaband and in a old but relatively

> > spacious

> > > house,

> > > > > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > Sun (father's significator) goes to 5'th

house

> > on

> > > scorpio

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > > of mars, the Karaka for Property, shows

> initial

> > > position of

> > > > > > > > > family,

> > > > > > > > > > > but, this Sun's despositor Mars goes to 3'rd

> > house

> > > of self

> > > > > > > > > efforts

> > > > > > > > > > > and an Upachaya indicating growth, thus

> father's

> > > progress

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > getting more property is certain by his own

> > efforts.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Burning Question, to ignore a broad day

> light

> > > truth, how

> > > > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > truths astrologers want to ignore, Sir, Pls.

> > > analyze this

> > > > > > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > taking 9'th as father's case, you will land

in

> > mess

> > > like

> > > > > > > Sri

> > > > > > > > > K.N Rao.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have already given u the list of the

> > classics

> > > which

> > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > is the father's house, pls do not divert.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When you talk about good aspect on the

> 10th

> > > indicating

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > strong father, you forget that it is also

> karma

> > > sthana and

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > people under discussions are successful. So

> why

> > > should that

> > > > > > > > > show

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th to be the house for father?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > That is why I thought no further

progress

> > can

> > > be made

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > have made up your mind that all the classics

> are

> > > wrong and

> > > > > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > represents father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, October 03, 2008 9:02 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > Which is

> > > > > > > Father's

> > > > > > > > > > > House - 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have given cases after cases to show

how

> > > 10'th and

> > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > combination

> > > > > > > > > > > > > gives accurate information about father,

> > when i

> > > talk

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects on 10'th and it's despositor all

> are

> > > included

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > that,

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > never excluded " Aspects effect " on 10'th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I m not here to make up a false mind for

my

> > > > > > > convenience,

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > gave

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's case, which happened to be a

> > supportive

> > > case

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and other cases, 10'th gets futher

> strength

> > by

> > > benific

> > > > > > > > > > > aspects, where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is doubt on that ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It's good to accept the truth after

> > testifying

> > > it, I

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > welcome

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more testing from ur side or from any

body

> > who

> > > thinks

> > > > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > doesnt

> > > > > > > > > > > > > denote Father, i m doing same thing

which

> is

> > > initated

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > Parashara

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and which got approved by Shamhu Hora

> > Prakash

> > > (written

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > south

> > > > > > > > > > > > > india), Satya Jatka,Uttar Kalamrita and

> many

> > > other

> > > > > > > > > classics.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > should be pls. do not question my

> > > understandings of

> > > > > > > basics

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why now look at the aspect of Jupiter

in

> > > Nehru's case

> > > > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > earlier it was only placement of the

10th

> > lord

> > > in the

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > showed affection for father? Here when

the

> > 10th

> > > lord

> > > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > the 3rd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > why there should not be enmity? Earlier

> you

> > > wanted to

> > > > > > > > > project

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord going to 6th should indicate

> enmity

> > > with

> > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > if 9

> > > > > > > > > > > this to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > be considered as the house for father

now

> > with

> > > Amitabh,

> > > > > > > > > you do

> > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > think 10th lord going to the 8th should

> show

> > > being

> > > > > > > > distant

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like you have made up your

mind

> > that

> > > 10th is

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > house for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father. So carrying these discussions

may

> > not

> > > yield

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:08

PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing]

Re:

> > Which

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > Father's

> > > > > > > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx for constantly taking interest

and

> > > considering

> > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > cases

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to reach

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > an educated conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th has 3 basic significations - love

> and

> > > affection,

> > > > > > > > > > > learning and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > imagination and progeny, Sun's

placement

> > > itself

> > > > > > > > > indicates a

> > > > > > > > > > > loving

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship with father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nehru's case: In fact, It's also a

> > supporting

> > > case,

> > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart correctly, 6'th placed Jup

aspects

> > > 10'th house

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > father,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and 2nd

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house of family.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amitabh's case : exalted Jup is placed

> in

> > > 6'th, so,

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > father was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > also a learned and well reputed in

> society.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, presenting 2 cases where Lagna

> Lord's

> > > placement

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should denote expenses as part of duty

> > > towards, has

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divya : born on 30'th july 1985, at

1:35

> > pm,

> > > New

> > > > > > > Delhi,

> > > > > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > > > > has to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > support his father and family, her's

is

> a

> > > Libra asc

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > venus is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 9'th house, debilated 7'th lord

> placed

> > in

> > > 10 but

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > > > is also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > there, father still has enough land

and

> > other

> > > > > > > immovable

> > > > > > > > > > > property

> > > > > > > > > > > > > but in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > joint possession with his brothers.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikunj : born on 20 aug 1980 at gadag

> > > (karnataka) at

> > > > > > > > > 14:57

> > > > > > > > > > > PM, he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > saggi asc, Sun and Jup both are in

virgo

> > in

> > > 9'th, he

> > > > > > > > > hardly

> > > > > > > > > > > earns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rs 20,000 and sends some Rs. 10,000 -

> > 12,000

> > > to

> > > > > > > parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ravi : again a saggi, and we have seen

> his

> > > case.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus we see, if we go by 10'th and

Sun's

> > > combination

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > straightforward explanation regarding

> > father,

> > > we have

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > examined 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as expenses, service and duty towards

> > father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 5th lord represents the progeny

> and

> > not

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > jataka, so

> > > > > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > difficult to follow the logic of 5th

and

> > 10th

> > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > exchanging

> > > > > > > > > > > > > places

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > leading to bond between the jataka and

> > > father, even

> > > > > > > > > > > assuming, but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > admitting, that 10th may be taken to

> > > represent father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in this case happens to be the

> > karaka

> > > as well

> > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > its good placement and the father

being

> > > powerful can

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > prove

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhava is for father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But as I say, if you can interpret

the

> > > chart better

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > parameters, that is fine. Only the

> example

> > > does not

> > > > > > > > show

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhava for the father. Pandit Nehru

> had

> > > Sun in the

> > > > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > and yet

> > > > > > > > > > > > > it is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > not the 10th lord, that being in the

3rd

> > > bhava. His

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > also in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 6th but he was fairly close to his

> > > father. That

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > was very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > powerful man and it is only through

his

> > > contacts with

> > > > > > > > > Gandhi

> > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nehru

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > got close to him and then became

> > > primeminister is

> > > > > > > > common

> > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge. You

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > may like to think about this too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, October 01, 2008

9:51

> PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing]

> Re:

> > > Which is

> > > > > > > > > Father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls. do not take me wrong, I m

always

> > open

> > > for

> > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > > thing,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > closing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my mind to my liking or to views to

> > which i

> > > m

> > > > > > > > > comfortable,

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help objective of updating the

> astrology

> > to

> > > today's

> > > > > > > > > needs.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have given required weightage to

Sun

> > the

> > > karaka

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this case, Pls. note that I said,

> > exchange

> > > between

> > > > > > > > Sun

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th and 10'th has made a special

bond

> > > between girl

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father is well placed and a director

> of

> > > dept of

> > > > > > > > > > > environment

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with MP

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Govt, exchange exchange between Sun

> and

> > Jup

> > > also

> > > > > > > > > signifies

> > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > factor.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Pravajya, I have noticed,

> > Rahu's

> > > > > > > > involvement

> > > > > > > > > > > cancells

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravajya, We have seen 4 cases in

our

> > group

> > > where 4

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > 5

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planets are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > togather but as there is Rahu, they

> have

> > > not given

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations of the concerned

house

> > > rather they

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > become

> > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclined to the significations,

> becomes

> > more

> > > > > > > worldy :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Saurabh : Libra Lagna, 11'th has

> > > > > > > Sun+Sat+Jup+Rahu

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > 11'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > focus is on earning more and more.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. This Girl : Scorpio Lagna, 10'th

has

> > > > > > > > > Jup+Mars+Sat+Rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > She

> > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptionaly profession minded.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Col SJ Singh: Saggitarius Lagna :

> 2nd

> > > house has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Venus+Merc+Sun+Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and at the age of 74, he is

struggling

> > for

> > > setting

> > > > > > > up

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > factory

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his family members, still, working

as

> > > President of

> > > > > > > > His

> > > > > > > > > > > group of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > companies.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Ravi : The Guy to which i said is

a

> > > contributer

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > India, Saggitarius Lagna, 9'th house

> has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun+Jup+Saturn+Merc+Rahu and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he is exceptionally dedicated to his

> > > duties, his

> > > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sickness

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has finishe all the savings and he

is

> > > supporting

> > > > > > > > > family,

> > > > > > > > > > > Ravi's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also proves 9'th dosnt signify

father

> > but

> > > refers to

> > > > > > > > > > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and expenses on father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since you think you have already

> > > established that

> > > > > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > is for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father, you will not like to see the

> > chart

> > > from any

> > > > > > > > > angle

> > > > > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > yours.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is not very wise for me to

point

> > out

> > > that 9th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > going

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to 6th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not indicate clashes with

father

> as

> > > 6th and

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mutual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > square. You do not seem to give any

> > > weightage to

> > > > > > > > > Karaka

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and are free to take your own view

of

> > the

> > > matter.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you are better informed

> > about

> > > how

> > > > > > > > > Pravrajya

> > > > > > > > > > > yoga is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > formed, but I do seem to remember

that

> > > Parashara in

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > chapter

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya does say that when 4 or

more

> > than

> > > four

> > > > > > > > > grahas,

> > > > > > > > > > > when in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength occupy a rasi, pravrajya is

> > caused.

> > > > > > > Barring

> > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas are retrograde and Rahu is

> always

> > > retrograde

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > grahas are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indeed strong. I think almost all

> > classics

> > > repeat

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > position.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30, 2008

> 8:36

> > PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing]

> > Which

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > Father's

> > > > > > > > > > > House -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th/9'th : Last effort

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deear Neenu, Group and Sri

> > Chandrashekhar

> > > Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m giving the girl's horoscope :

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna : Scorpio,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4'th : Merc + Ketu on Aquarius

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5'th : Sun on Pisces (10'th lord)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th : Moon (9'th lord) + Venus

> (7'th

> > > lord)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th : Sat (3rd and 4'th lord) +

> Jup

> > > (5'th lord)

> > > > > > > +

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord) + Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, If we take 9'th is a true

house

> > for

> > > father,

> > > > > > > > > it's

> > > > > > > > > > > going to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6'th house, should create

differences

> > > between them,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > > > > > > shares a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > special bond with her father , why ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Becoz, 5'th lord of affection and

> love

> > is

> > > in

> > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father and profession and 10'th lord

> Sun

> > is

> > > placed

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love and affection so, this girl and

> her

> > > father

> > > > > > > > shares

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > special bond

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of love.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neenu, You are right, 10'th house

> has

> > > Jup, Satu,

> > > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Pravajya, this

combination

> > > makes her

> > > > > > > > > > > workaholic,her

> > > > > > > > > > > > > life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is her profession and her father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father's Status : Father is highly

> > > placed, this

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clue for that also, same exhange

> between

> > > Sun and

> > > > > > > Jup

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > 5'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house denotes a Raj Yoga to

> father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neenu, in ur case, 10'th lord Sun

> has

> > > gone to

> > > > > > > 6'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a prime cause of having

differences

> > with

> > > ur

> > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, I hope, I have established

10'th

> > is

> > > the house

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th is expenses and health of

father,

> > > similar to

> > > > > > > > > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna. Hardly there is any scope for

> > > confusion. I m

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > > on my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > findings as I do that with a vision

to

> > > update

> > > > > > > > > astrology to

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > needs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this age, recently, I have done

> good

> > > work to

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > out

> > > > > > > > > > > stream

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > management - Investment, Finance,

> > > Marketting, or

> > > > > > > > > General

> > > > > > > > > > > Admin.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I got

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clue from some classics which are

not

> > too

> > > popular

> > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > thir

> > > > > > > > > > > > > auther's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have done good work.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > neenu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mechumla@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji and Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I though pravrajya yoga is only

if

> > > there are 5

> > > > > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house. So how does this girl native

> have

> > > that yoga,

> > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > only 4

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets in 10th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following this

thread

> > with

> > > much

> > > > > > > > > interest,

> > > > > > > > > > > as the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl here has a horoscope very

similar

> > to

> > > mine, at

> > > > > > > > > least

> > > > > > > > > > > in my

> > > > > > > > > > > > > naive

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna is vrishchika with moon.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4th house kumbha with ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 th house aries with sun and

> mercury

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8 th house gemini with venus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 th house simha with saR + ju

+

> ma

> > +

> > > ra

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Going by the discussion if I am

> > right,

> > > Su which

> > > > > > > > > > > represent

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father in my case is in 6th house,

> which

> > is

> > > 9th

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is my PirtaKaraka, and is

> > aspected

> > > by Rahu

> > > > > > > +

> > > > > > > > > Ju.

> > > > > > > > > > > My

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ninth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house lord moon is debilitated at

> lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not very close with my

> father,

> > and

> > > did not

> > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > best

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of relationship with him. In the

past

> > eight

> > > years

> > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > literally calculate, I have only

spent

> > > about 40-45

> > > > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > > living

> > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him and must have spoken on phone

not

> > more

> > > then 10-

> > > > > > > 11

> > > > > > > > > hrs

> > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cumulative.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Much of this statistic is

> > exaggerated,

> > > as I

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > home since the age of 19, but

whenever

> i

> > do

> > > call

> > > > > > > > home,

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > mostly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > speak

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with my mother, with father it

doesnt

> go

> > > beyond a

> > > > > > > > > minute.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But even when I was at home from

> the

> > > age of 10-

> > > > > > > > 18,

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > argue

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with him a lot.Its not that I

dislike

> > him,

> > > but

> > > > > > > > > anything he

> > > > > > > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpret it in a wrong way, or end

up

> > not

> > > liking

> > > > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neenu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, litsol

> litsol@

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol litsol@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing]

> > > Re: Two

> > > > > > > > > Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 30,

> 2008,

> > > 4:52 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The case is extremely opposit

to

> > what

> > > you

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > stated. She

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given up her father rather she

> is

> > a

> > > Dad's

> > > > > > > > > daughter,

> > > > > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life revolves

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around her father and she

> follows

> > her

> > > dad

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > > in her

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personal life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She can foresake anything if

> > father

> > > asks, she

> > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > done it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have not yet replied to

my

> > > question

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya related to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10th and father. Will than not

> > > clarify the

> > > > > > > > > concept

> > > > > > > > > > > better?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exchange of 5th and 10th

lord

> > > indicates

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as if in own rasis. So work

> could

> > be

> > > related

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > acquired

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the jataka may give up higher

> > > studies. But

> > > > > > > > > analyzing

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reference to other grahas is

> more

> > > than likely

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > lead to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inferences being drawn than

> > > confirming some

> > > > > > > > > point or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > other.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to forget that in

> this

> > > case Sun is

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 10th lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but the karaka for father. So

> > coming

> > > to any

> > > > > > > > > > > conclusions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about whether

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th or the 10th is the

house

> > to be

> > > > > > > > > considered for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father, here ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may not be very logical.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 9th lord is also Karaka

> for

> > the

> > > Jataka's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother so it is mother

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is likely to have suffered

> as

> > the

> > > 4th is

> > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > occupied

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by Ketu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct Mercury and in aspect

> of

> > many

> > > > > > > > malefics,

> > > > > > > > > > > though

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects the 4th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 29,

> 2008

> > > 5:45 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing]

> > > Re: Two

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Potential Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > Vimshottari

> > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this case, 5'th lod is in

> > 10'th,

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10t'h lord is in 5'th,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a exchange between Jup and

> Sun,

> > > pls. let's

> > > > > > > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. considering 10'th as

> father's

> > > house, what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates, his position and

> > status

> > > in

> > > > > > > society

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. considering 9'th as

> father's

> > > house, what

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of father it

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his position and status in

> > society

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > relationship

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with father,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I m

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right, 9'th lord has gone to

> > 6'th

> > > house,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, an afflicted and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > weak Jup aspects it from

> 10'th.

> > > That guru

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > company of - Sat,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and mars.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. What should be result of

> > > Pravajya in

> > > > > > > 10'th

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this case ?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your answers will clear the

> > > confusion

> > > > > > > forever,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes, in lack

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fitting horoscopes wrong

> theories

> > > > > > > cireculate,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > luckily we have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fitting horosope to show the

> > > distinction.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean she gave up

her

> > > father or

> > > > > > > > forsake

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him in his hour

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of need?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The girl's Mars dasha has

just

> > > begun and

> > > > > > > Guru,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu, Saturn are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commence. So how does this

> prove

> > > the 10th

> > > > > > > > > versus

> > > > > > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debate?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September

28,

> > 2008

> > > 3:50 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > > > > > Two

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Study + 365 Day's

Vimshottari

> > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Resp Chandrashekhar Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar,I wonder how u

> remain

> > so

> > > cool

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nice, this is one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thing i have to learn from

> u,

> > > living in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ur's company.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding the distinction

of

> > > 10'th and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th bhavas with respect

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father and pravajya, i

have

> > > another

> > > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that u analyzed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some 4

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > months back.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date of Birth- 20th March

> > 1980,

> > > 0.20 A.M

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place - Rewa (M.P)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she has pravajya in her

> 10'th

> > > bhava, lagna

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is scorpio, but she

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remained very adament on

her

> > job

> > > front,

> > > > > > > > > broken

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her marriage but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left her job.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is a worldy graha,

has

> > much

> > > oomph for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bhoga, so, keeps a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclined in his worldy

> affair

> > with

> > > > > > > > exceptions

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > given to it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A study this horoscope

will

> > > settle the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confusion over both

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravajya and Father's

house

> > > forever.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sharma.chandrashekhar@

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord of the 9th and 10th

> > > together gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when in 9th or 10th but

has

> > > nothing to do

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacrifice for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father's sake. Coco Chanel

> has

> > > similar

> > > > > > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in her chart and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > she did

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sacrifice anything for

> her

> > > father's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sake. Actually she was

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at an orphanage and her

> > parents

> > > married

> > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her birth. Plus

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > her

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th and 10th lord are in

9th

> > > without any

> > > > > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > planets to give

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > different interpretation

to

> > the

> > > results.

> > > > > > > In

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jataka

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there are other grahas

with

> > those

> > > planets

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also the node and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not allow the results

of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dharmakarmaadhipati yoga to

come

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > through.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I can not agree with

> your

> > > proposition

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to look at the 10th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the bhava for father.

> However

> > if

> > > you are

> > > > > > > > able

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to predict right

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that premise, you could

use

> it

> > as

> > > such.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message --

--

> -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday,

September

> > 25,

> > > 2008 8:14

> > > > > > > PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May i request to look at

> it

> > > this way -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th lord and 9'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjoined and that in

> 9'th,

> > the

> > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of duties, sacrifies,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindness

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and charity, therefore

for

> > his

> > > duties

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > towards father(10'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord, )he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left his studies, 9'th

is

> > 12'th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (leaving, escaping etc.)to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10'th, we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > get straightforward

> > explanation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any way one thing is

> noticed

> > > that for

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duties he can leave

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything like MBA, this

> > gives

> > > him very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > basic elligibility for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building

material,

> > Pls.

> > > note that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matribhumi (mother

nation)

> > GURU

> > > is

> > > > > > > placed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 9'th and which in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turn

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects lagna itself,

what

> > more

> > > evident

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3'rd lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initiatives

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and courage also placed

in

> > 9'th

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct 4'th lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > heart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mother nation with 10'th

> > lord of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma, this 3'rd house is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspected by same Guru,

> Sone

> > Pe

> > > Suhaga !!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, if given proper

> inputs,

> > > proper

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction, he should do

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible thing for his

> > > matribhumi coz,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna and 4'th lord is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same and it aspects

lagna

> > too.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > > > > > > vattem

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have correctly

> brought

> > > out both

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issues of attending to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and higher studies.as

9th

> is

> > > also from

> > > > > > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to 5th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Under the

> > circumstances,the

> > > native

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be taking care of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father,as the pravrajya

> yoga

> > > makes him

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consider to attend

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father as more important

> > > leading to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sacrifice of his own

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future.In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact it is an extreem

> > condition

> > > like

> > > > > > > Lord

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sriram going to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forest

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handing over the crown

to

> > > Bharata.it is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely that during the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasa of sun,conditions

> will

> > be

> > > arising

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recourse.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/24/08,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashekhar@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re:

> Two

> > > Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study +

> 365

> > > Day's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday,

> September

> > > 24, 2008,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2:24 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no problem in

> > > exploring the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possibilities. However

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should remember that we

> are

> > > trying to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prove some sage wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > forgetting that we are

> using

> > > most of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principles given by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sage, not having devised

a

> > new

> > > system by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ourselves.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would think doing

both

> > MBA

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attending to father would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like observing the 9th

> bhava

> > > > > > > indications.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava after all

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represent higher studies

> > (5th

> > > from 5th)

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he did give up the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indications of the 9th

> bhava

> > > and the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pravrajya did produce the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results.Maybe it is the

> > dasha

> > > which will

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tell when he may take

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya from faith or

> > duties.

> > > Of

> > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my comments are only

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > academic in nature as I

do

> > not

> > > know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anything about the person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original

Message --

> --

> > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday,

> September

> > > 24, 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9:31 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > ealing]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > Vimshottari

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After his B.Tech, this

> guy

> > > was doing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his MBA that he left

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > halfway

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because he was

required

> at

> > > home

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during father's ailment.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose of my writing

so

> > many

> > > things

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in groups is to open

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avenues

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to review some dogmas

> that

> > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > developed in last few

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > centuries

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some in last 2 decades.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes, we need to

go

> > back

> > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clssics and some other time

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to enhabce and refine

> what

> > is

> > > stated

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek

har@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think the

> > Pravrajya

> > > yoga

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 9th allow him to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > steady in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his duties?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original

> Message --

> > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vattem krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday,

> September

> > 23,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008 7:28 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Worth Study + 365 Day's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of first

chart

> > moon

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aries in 5th,and sun in 9th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the sign of simha

> with

> > > Rahu and 5

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more planets.The sign

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raising

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the sagittarus is

agian

> a

> > odd

> > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fiery in nature.All these

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnas have influnce of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu,indicating struggles

ahead

> of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue of marriage if

> > seen

> > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the link of 5th and 7th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses,the boy seems

to

> > have

> > > made up

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his mind about the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > girl.The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage relation has

> all

> > > trials and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tribulations in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case.with this back

> ground

> > > probably

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his preparedness to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assume

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building character is

> very

> > > distant.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second horo,shows

all

> > 1,5

> > > and 9

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > houses of airy signs,again

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has ketu in 9th with

> rahu

> > and

> > > saturns

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aspect.Moon in 11th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > benific aspects but

has

> > 5th

> > > lord in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These indications in

> > both

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cases only suggests that the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > native of chart may

> > prepare

> > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > struggles to fulfil his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ideals.where

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as 2nd charts shall

get

> > some

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recognition and status in life

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other above average

> person

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sequence of dasas in

> > both

> > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to support for the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rise and fall for any

> > native

> > > in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vrkrishnan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek

har@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re:

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study

+

> > 365

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday,

> September

> > 22,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008, 3:48 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first chart,

I

> see

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravrajya yoga occurring in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th bhava which could

> > > indicate either

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving up father or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > duties.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does have some raj

yogas

> > but

> > > they are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diluted by Rahu being

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conjunct

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 9th bhava. Mars

> > aspecting

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna would give the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temper,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could you tell what

yoga

> > you

> > > could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > locate that would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates he is the

> right

> > > material

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for building India. Of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personally I think

that

> > every

> > > citizen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of this country could

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build the country if

> only

> > he

> > > does his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own duties properly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expecting the

Government

> > to

> > > do them

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for him.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the second case

> too,

> > the

> > > 5th

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and 9th bhavas seem to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suffer to some extent

> and

> > I

> > > for one

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > am not very certain if

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nation building

material.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I could be

totally

> > wrong

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > having missed something that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you could see. So

please

> > > elaborate.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As to the second

chart,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original

> Message --

> > ---

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To:

Vedic Astrologyandhe

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday,

> September

> > 22,

> > > 2008

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10:13 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > [Vedic Astrologyandh

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ealing] Two Potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horoscopes Worth Study

+

> > 365

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Day's Vimshottari Perfection

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri

Chandrashekhar

> > Ji

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other Elders,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Presenting two

> potential

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscopes, to which I think

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to become contributor

> for

> > > building

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tomorrow's India,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > started coming in

> contact

> > > with good

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guys who can be shaped,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not born in royal

> families

> > > but they

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have courage and will to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for the true cause.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Case 1:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He is exceptionally

> > > brilliant,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very sharp and fiery, an

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engineer and like my

> > younger

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > brogther, right now he has no

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclinitation but i

> expect

> > a

> > > lot from

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy. Well, as per

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indication in the

chart

> > and

> > > as per

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his query and desire, I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > asked

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to find a bride of

young

> > age

> > > and that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before Nov 2008,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guru's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transit in mind, It

was

> > true,

> > > I see,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a transformation in his

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > post

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life, what u

> > elders

> > > see -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Navamsa (Spouse)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Caser 2.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the

horoscope,

> > you

> > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > verify if Exalted and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Retrograde Planets

> Behave

> > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Debilitated Planets. Have not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > met

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this guy yet, but, as

> the

> > > chart

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicates, he is very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handsom ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > convincing guy and

have

> > shown

> > > courage

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to speak for the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > truth,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect, he will be a

> > > contributor for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the society -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He suffered great

loss

> in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun/Saturn/Saturn/ Saturn In

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > june, 2006, had to

close

> > the

> > > shop.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The vimshottari Period

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " 11-Jun-2006 to 20-

Jun-

> > 2006

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dissipation' of wealth,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious sickness,

> > > disintegration of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the family, compulsation

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > taking food

separately,

> > deep

> > > distress

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Date & Time :

> Sat,

> > 06

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > January 1979

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 05:28:00

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Place of Birth :

> Narnaul,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Country : India

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Latitude : 28 3 N

> > > Longitude : 76

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6 E

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth Chart (Lagna)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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