Guest guest Posted March 4, 2009 Report Share Posted March 4, 2009 pasting their smavad : regards,Lalit Re: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: Resolving Points) Dear Sanjay, > No No Narasimha, mantra is beautiful. It is not *ardous* like > climbing mountain. It is beautiful like a dance â€" yes a dance > on top of Kailash with Lord Shiva. Well, if mantra is really like a dance on top of Kailasha for you, you are fortunate. However, most people do have to engage in an arduous climbing to enjoy such a dance. If I (or anybody else) were to tell people that mantras work magically without a lot of discipline and effort and internal maturing, I would be misleading them. If I were to tell people that their problems will be magically solved because they came to me and got the perfect mantra to the perfect deity, I would be misleading them. > So this sermn is very wrong really. I have mantra lord Moon in > 12th house, so it s a dance for me, you have 5th lord (mantra) in > 8th house (hard) in debility in Aries (mountain), so it like > climbing a mountain for you. > You see here also the karma plays out. Karma does indeed play out, but the question is whether we are reading it correctly or not! Yes, my 5th lord is indeed in 8th but with several planets and aspected by Jupiter and giving many yogas. Are we sure we are judging it correctly? Yes, your 5th lord is in 12th, but he is in marana karaka sthana from 5th and aspected closely by Rahu. Are we sure we are judging it correctly? Bottomline is that judging the play of karmas is not a simple thing and one can always make mistakes. In any case, I suggest that we should not get personal under the pretext of demonstrating how karmas play out. > Secondly, whether someone is training to be a beggar at Gods door > is the work of his/her spiritual master and NOT that of the Jyotishi. > An astrologer is *required to be humble* and not arrogate to himself > this task of asking people to be humble before God or such things. OK, so what then is the task of this "humble" astrologer? If telling people to surrender to god and pray is arrogance, what do you call telling people that one has knowledge which will let them get what they want from god? Also, is it really humble to make statements that austerities can bring dangers and insult to Vishnu? When an astrologer recommends mantras and makes statements like these, one is already encroaching on the space of a spiritual master somewhat. > ....since the letter is addressed to me it implies that you mean *I am selfish* Though the mail is addressed to you, a lot of portions inside are addressed to all. The above point is not about any specific person. I apologize for any confusion. > > > OK, just spell it out. What is the reason for Gandanta being in 0 deg, > > > 120 deg and 240 deg of the zodiac if it is not a junction between agni > > > and jala...I want to her your words if you have any. > > > > Parasara's definition of gandanta is restricted to two neighboring areas in a > > contiguous space having a predominance of fire and water elements. "I see > > fire and I see water. So there is gandanta" is a wrong approach. One can > > then call Venus, a watery planet, being in a fiery sign or Mars, a fiery planet, > > being in a watery sign as gandanta. Gandanta requires a *transition* in a > > contiguous space. In your example of upapada lord's tithi, there is no > > contiguous space where there is a water-fire transition. > > > There is something called Tithi Gandanta! Gandanta exists between > Purna and nanda tithi. Yes, but we do have a contiguous space here. The contiguous 0-360 deg space of Sun-Moon angle has portions with predominance of different elements. When there are transitions between portioins having a predominance of fire and water, Parasara gave a tithi gandanta there. When you are talking about the tithi of UL lord, what is the contiguous space, what are its portions and what are the transitions? It is an illogical extension of gandanta. * * * In conclusion, I will sum up my main points. [This is copied from the other mail from today and slightly edited.] (1) The knowledge needed for judging specific karmas responsible for specific results and suggesting specific remedies is partly lost and partly corrupted today. What we have is a non-coherent collage of some good knowledge and a lot of corruptions. The way gandanta is being stretched and people are talking of insult to Vishnu by fasting etc, it should be clear that knowledge is being corrupted based on fancy imagination. People are presenting their ideas without making it clear that those are their ideas. (2) Many people today are unable to use many specific remedies given in shastras today. Just because one worships a specific form with a specific mantra, things do not necessarily happen. There is a lot more needed and most of it is not external (e.g. choice of weekday or tithi or color of clothes, direction faced etc) but internal (e.g. discipline, patience, surrender, humility, low ego etc). In the old days, these internal issues were pretty much under control and mantras worked well. Now, people lack on those big time and mantras do not work the way they are supposed to. Given the above two points, best path for one today is to surrender to a deity, try to instill discipline, humility and patience and pray for mercy, rather than running after astrologers for customized remedies. (3) *Austerities* like fasting do *not* harm one. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote: om paramesthi gurave namah Dear Narasimha > Mantra Shastra is a very detailed work and includes mantra dosha etc. > It is very scientific and accurate. It takes a lifetime to master this. Some may be fascinated by the texture, color and volume of the chaff and miss the grain. Most people who talk about mantra shastra focus on the chaff and not on the grain. [sanjay Rath:] This sounds like saying that Einsten is bogus as Newtons theory can explain everything! Viewpoint is very important. Perhaps what you call the grain is the tree itself! That is the depth of knowledge which decides whether you have the ability to reach the grain or are still searching for the tree. * * * But the bottomline is this: Only a highly purified sadhaka of very low ego can command specific results from god (not for selfishness or even ego satisfaction, but acting as an unattached instrument of Nature fulfilling one's dharma set by Nature). Various mantras and technicalities of mantra shastra taught by rishis are meant for such sadhakas. [sanjay Rath:] When will you start learning this? Those are hardly of use to so many people out there with dense egos seeking specific selfish results. They cannot command specific results from god (because of their heavy attachment to the result, which is in turn due to their own attachment to a limited ego), even if they use all the techniques of mantra shastra and all the associated rules of astrology. Instead of wasting their time with these technicalities, they will be better off learning to be good beggars at God's door. [sanjay Rath:] This is wrong. There was a time when there were only a few very qualified doctors and they alone could cure. When the knowledge is shared, more doctors arrive in the planet and they too can heal. Secondly, whether someone is training to be a beggar at Gods door is the work of his/her spiritual master and NOT that of the Jyotishi. An astrologer is *required to be humble* and not arrogate to himself this task of asking people to be humble before God or such things. The path that every creature takes is that of the spiritual master they seek and follow. And it is the humility to the Guru alone that brings the ego under control and makes it humble. One who cannot be humble before the Guru is a gross failure when he tries to be humble before God and submit. So what you are saying is actually *not fully correct* The first step is to be a beggar before the teacher/guru and then alone can you be ready to be a beggar at the doors of God. Just pick any prasiddha mantra or a mantra you feel attracted to, without worrying about so many technicalities, and learn to be humble and surrender to the Lord. Patiently wait for him to give you what you want. Like a beggar, take whatever and whenever he gives. [sanjay Rath:] I have done this for about 30 years now, and I believe many people in this list have done this for maybe even longer periods. What is the new thing you are saying? Keep praying every day or every second when you are able to. Even when you are not praying, remember him in all of your actions. When you enjoy something in the material world, tell yourself that it is his and that he gave it to you. If you remember him all the time, slowly the dirt in your mind will start to get cleaned. This fixing of attitude is faaaaaaaaaaaar more important than picking the right mantra, right weekday, right tithi etc (that too based on unreliable knowledge coming from questionable sources!). [sanjay Rath:] Stop giving a sermon Narasimha?? I know all this, so what is it that you are talking about? Come to the point. It is pathetic that what you say as *unreliable source* is what you practised for a decade and never questioned it until suddenly when you are *not a part of the Jaimini scholar program* !! Vaara/Weekday prayers - Forget the first batch of Jaimini scholars, just ask anyone in the second batch in year-2/3 and they can easily explain â€" Why is Lord Shiva worshipped on Mondays? Why is Lord Vishnu worshipped on Thursdays? Now don’t try to tell me you did not know that Lord Shiva is worshipped by millions of Indians on Mondays! Tithi Prayers Fasting on tithi’s concerned to the birth anniversary of the devata on the days of the tithi are too well known. And you are a software maker, have written papers on this also. So why this sudden volta-face? Ekadashi fasting is done by a few millions of people for Krishna for Yuga santarana i.e. tiding over the Yuga effects. Why is ekadashi fasting advocated for this? What link does Ekadashi have to Kali yuga? You do not know the answer does not mean that it is wrong. And if you know the answer, then why do you say that the tithi fasting is wrong??! * * * There may be a mountain with thousands of paths (mantra) for climbing it. Each path may lead to a different spot (different experience) on the top and show a different scenery (result). Expert advisors (astrologers) may tell you to use a specific path (mantra) to see a specific scenery (result). But such advice is useless to a handicapped person without legs (a selfish person with dense ego). It is relevant only to person with legs and one who is strong and sturdy, who can successfully climb the mountain (a reasonably detached person with very little ego). [sanjay Rath:] Another Sermon about being selfish .....since the letter is addressed to me it implies that you mean *I am selfish*. ...and now people will be wondering about what am I selfish? Is it because I did not share the Jaimni scholar lectures? I invited you and een was prepard to shift dates, but you were too busy filming about Krishna’s birth or something. Even when you encounter a person who has legs and can actually climb the mountain, the stress should be on how to climb the mountain and traverse the long path, rather than which path to take. The astrologers who are bogged down by all the technicalities and people who take customized mantra advice from astrologers and think that they will get a result quickly by doing that 'powerful' mantra are missing the basic point. The power of a powerful mantra is with respect to the experience and result obtained *after* one succeeds with the mantra. A partcicularly powerful mantra is akin to a path leading to a point atop the mountain where the view shows a particularly beautiful scenery. But the bottomline is that you do have to survive the climb along the long path. [sanjay Rath:] No No Narasimha, mantra is beautiful. It is not *ardous* like climbing mountain. It is beautiful like a dance â€" yes a dance on top of Kailash with Lord Shiva. So this sermn is very wrong really. I have mantra lord Moon in 12th house, so it s a dance for me, you have 5th lord (mantra) in 8th house (hard) in debility in Aries (mountain), so it like climbing a mountain for you. You see here also the karma plays out. We need to emphasize the attitude and approach needed for the long climb, rather than emphasizing the choice of the path based on horoscope. It is worth noting that so many great spiritual teachers who came in the last century or two did not emphasize picking the right mantra based on horoscope etc. Instead, they emphasized having the correct attitude - surrender, submission, devotion, patience, persistence, discipline, humility etc!!!! *That* is a lot more important and useful than trying to be oversmart with the choice of mantra, day etc and impress god. [sanjay Rath:] Really and how do you wish to *STANDADIZE* this? You have a given formula for the approach and attitude or is it borrowed from another, and if so then why are you assuming that the people in this list do not know about *surrender, submission, devotion, patience, persistence, discipline, humility etc!!!! * No one is trying to be over smart. They are being smart. They are only using certain rules to approach based on available knowledge. And that knowledge seems to be bothering you like your problem with Upapada fasting. * * * > when should the worship of a graha be done? Let us say someone > wishes to worship Mars (Mangala graha). When do you think this > worship should be done? You can do anyday. Parasara does not mention any day for doing homam to a graha. In fact, if one wants, one can do a homam or worship to Mars (or any planet) every day. It is even better that way. If an astrologer suggests doing it on a Tuesday, it is fine. But saying that doing it on so and so day will bring serious dangers because Mars is an enemy of so and so planet would be stretching things. [sanjay Rath:] Read the PURANAS. What you write clearly shows lack of understanding  of the Puranas. Why would the Rishi advise a particular day? Are they wrong? Why is the Gayatri initiation done on Wednesdays and Thursdays? Why is it not done on Saturday? You earlier said that this can be done on any day, then why did they advise a particular day for this? > [sanjay Rath:] Where do you think Veda Vyasa (Krishna dvaipaayana) got his > knowledge and those who wrote it as scribes for him, where did they get it from? From Self - from within. That is the source of all knowledge. A sadguru need not specifically teach thousand things, but needs to open the door inside. [sanjay Rath:] THAT IS AHAMKARA speaking. The correct answer in complete humility is “The knowledge comes from one source â€" Bhagavan.†Surrender to Him and he is the one who will have the door opened, and then the self will gradually fade away like a mist coming over a house. * * * > OK, just spell it out. What is the reason for Gandanta being in 0 deg, > 120 deg and 240 deg of the zodiac if it is not a junction between agni > and jala...I want to her your words if you have any. Parasara's definition of gandanta is restricted to two neighboring areas in a contiguous space having a predominance of fire and water elements. "I see fire and I see water. So there is gandanta" is a wrong approach. One can then call Venus, a watery planet, being in a fiery sign or Mars, a fiery planet, being in a watery sign as gandanta. Gandanta requires a *transition* in a contiguous space. In your example of upapada lord's tithi, there is no contiguous space where there is a water-fire transition. [sanjay Rath:] There is something called Tithi Gandanta! Gandanta exists between Purna and nanda tithi. What is wrong with tithi fasting related to the devata of the planet associated with the Upapada? While Vara vrata will bring about marriage, tithi vrata associated with the devata should sustain it? Similarly, malefic in the 12th house can also be pacified either by their devata or if there are planets in the 8th house, then these planets shall support. > Now somewhere you talked of wasting time!!! Look what you are doing. > You were asked to work on Parashara by your Spiritual Master, and > are you doing that? Me10, Ve7, Ve6...good research but is that from > Parashara? Well, Me10, Ve7 etc theory is based on marrying two different teachings of Parasara (bhava karakas and special lagnas). I do not really consider it as my creation but as understanding Parasara's teachings only. [sanjay Rath:] Special Lagna are derived on the principle of circular motion and the Sun as the Lagna in the first place is derived from the Sun. What you have done is to treat every planet like the Sun which is wrong. The normal procedure for looking at the karaka bhava is Me10 = 10th house from Mercury; Ve7 is 7th house from Venus and so on...in the rasi and varga charts. Narasimha, this is your creation and NOT taught in BPHS. Please do not twist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2009 Report Share Posted March 5, 2009 Well, Lalit, what to say about this samvad in Naimishaaranya? I know these worthies are quite somebodies, so much so that if I were to intervene with my two penny, they would not surface to acknowledge that they have reade me. And what is there to say? One is of very low ego another of dense ego, on their say-so. Such mass sadly cannot attract much mantric momentum; in mantic matters they may falter more often than not, too. But they are entitled to their views on each other. Let them dance and climb, if not dance with hands on each other's head. I pray they desist. What seized my attention are some observations in this war word that leads to deconstruction of mantra shastra. The texture of mantra is and is not phonic. Compare the same mantra in Hindu trandition and in Buddhist tradition. Take Tara mantra, eg. The texture changes. Now the kernel. What decides that? The one who gave it to you in 'live' form, as in 'jagrata mantra'? The mantra guru? Or your mantra sidhana? According to you, it is the deity. SO what matters finally is not what you do, but what you are granted. In that case, the rigorous mantra shastra is one side, not the only side, of the coin. The ritualised rigours are useful, yet otiose. As when one naturally attains samatva in breath (play of prana), one will not need the ritualised aspects. But the examination of the kind and quality of mantra is valid from the phonic point of view. Point two: Is mantra sadhana an act of summoning or the action itself that begets, not brings, the desired result/outcome, in input/output fashion. If it's about summoning, then the Achyutastaka I melt into while listening and sub-vocalizing, is or must be as good as purascharana. Here the line between stuti/ stava and mantra blurs. So what's mantra, and who's that mantrika? Them and not us? This is not say that yours sincerely has not tasted, if not tested, the most ferocious of Dasa-mahavidya vidyas. As for 5th lord going to 12th, 8th or 6th hse, that's necessary for mantra experience in occult direction, a little away from tulsi mala variety. Nobody need bicker over the mantra-sthana lord going to trika. Just the lord going to 6, 8, or 12th does not bring setback to mantra siddhi. What if there is an exalted planet and such like in the Rasi more so Navamsa chart (Navamsa is preferred while reading mantra from 5th; rasi chart preferred for less subtle aspects), say in addition there are major planets aspecting 5th hse (in rasi). Further what if the exalted planet is Moon? Further what if that moon is 2nd lord (in rasi)? Well, the mere fact of 5th lord going to 6, 8, 12th needn't spell non-accomplishment. It's 5th hse and lord together with certain planets that matters whether the nett outcome is mantra sadhana and then siddhi thereof . As for siddhi, this is one house that stands opposed to siddhi, the 11th hse as they say. Huh! RK Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > > pasting their smavad : > > regards, > Lalit > > Re: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: Resolving Points) > > Dear Sanjay, > > No No Narasimha, mantra is beautiful. It is not *ardous* like > > climbing mountain. It is beautiful like a dance †" yes a dance > > on top of Kailash with Lord Shiva. Well, if mantra is really like a > dance on top of Kailasha for you, you are fortunate. However, most > people do have to engage in an arduous climbing to enjoy such a dance. > If I (or anybody else) were to tell people that mantras work magically > without a lot of discipline and effort and internal maturing, I would be > misleading them. If I were to tell people that their problems will be > magically solved because they came to me and got the perfect mantra to > the perfect deity, I would be misleading them. > So this sermn is very > wrong really. I have mantra lord Moon in > 12th house, so it s a dance > for me, you have 5th lord (mantra) in > 8th house (hard) in debility in > Aries (mountain), so it like > climbing a mountain for you. > You see > here also the karma plays out. Karma does indeed play out, but the > question is whether we are reading it correctly or not! Yes, my 5th > lord is indeed in 8th but with several planets and aspected by Jupiter > and giving many yogas. Are we sure we are judging it correctly? Yes, > your 5th lord is in 12th, but he is in marana karaka sthana from 5th and > aspected closely by Rahu. Are we sure we are judging it correctly? > Bottomline is that judging the play of karmas is not a simple thing and > one can always make mistakes. In any case, I suggest that we should not > get personal under the pretext of demonstrating how karmas play out. > > Secondly, whether someone is training to be a beggar at Gods door > is > the work of his/her spiritual master and NOT that of the Jyotishi. > An > astrologer is *required to be humble* and not arrogate to himself > this > task of asking people to be humble before God or such things. OK, so > what then is the task of this " humble " astrologer? If telling people to > surrender to god and pray is arrogance, what do you call telling people > that one has knowledge which will let them get what they want from god? > Also, is it really humble to make statements that austerities can bring > dangers and insult to Vishnu? When an astrologer recommends mantras and > makes statements like these, one is already encroaching on the space of > a spiritual master somewhat. > ....since the letter is addressed to me > it implies that you mean *I am selfish* Though the mail is addressed > to you, a lot of portions inside are addressed to all. The above point > is not about any specific person. I apologize for any confusion. > > > > OK, just spell it out. What is the reason for Gandanta being in 0 deg, > > > > 120 deg and 240 deg of the zodiac if it is not a junction between > agni > > > and jala...I want to her your words if you have any. > > > > > Parasara's definition of gandanta is restricted to two neighboring areas > in a > > contiguous space having a predominance of fire and water > elements. " I see > > fire and I see water. So there is gandanta " is a > wrong approach. One can > > then call Venus, a watery planet, being in a > fiery sign or Mars, a fiery planet, > > being in a watery sign as > gandanta. Gandanta requires a *transition* in a > > contiguous space. In > your example of upapada lord's tithi, there is no > > contiguous space > where there is a water-fire transition. > > > There is something called > Tithi Gandanta! Gandanta exists between > Purna and nanda tithi. Yes, > but we do have a contiguous space here. The contiguous 0-360 deg space > of Sun-Moon angle has portions with predominance of different elements. > When there are transitions between portioins having a predominance of > fire and water, Parasara gave a tithi gandanta there. When you are > talking about the tithi of UL lord, what is the contiguous space, what > are its portions and what are the transitions? It is an illogical > extension of gandanta. * * * In conclusion, I will sum > up my main points. [This is copied from the other mail from today and > slightly edited.] (1) The knowledge needed for judging specific > karmas responsible for specific results and suggesting specific remedies > is partly lost and partly corrupted today. What we have is a > non-coherent collage of some good knowledge and a lot of corruptions. > The way gandanta is being stretched and people are talking of insult to > Vishnu by fasting etc, it should be clear that knowledge is being > corrupted based on fancy imagination. People are presenting their ideas > without making it clear that those are their ideas. (2) Many people > today are unable to use many specific remedies given in shastras today. > Just because one worships a specific form with a specific mantra, things > do not necessarily happen. There is a lot more needed and most of it is > not external (e.g. choice of weekday or tithi or color of clothes, > direction faced etc) but internal (e.g. discipline, patience, surrender, > humility, low ego etc). In the old days, these internal issues were > pretty much under control and mantras worked well. Now, people lack on > those big time and mantras do not work the way they are supposed to. > Given the above two points, best path for one today is to surrender to a > deity, try to instill discipline, humility and patience and pray for > mercy, rather than running after astrologers for customized remedies. > (3) *Austerities* like fasting do *not* harm one. Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > <http://www.vedicastrologer.org/homam> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > <http://www.vedicastrologer.org/tarpana> > Spirituality: > <> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > <http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > <http://www.vedicastrologer.org/> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > <http://www..org/> > > sohamsa > <sohamsa/post?postID=UfdPS19hbj7HVVkM7pePP\ \ > A68q6TI5gDavEB6AsAsG7Hx-c3s3pHjW4kfRqcs-E0W_tkyuLQ0h4n9xaSePhU> , > " Sanjay Rath " sjrath@ wrote: > om paramesthi gurave namah > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > Mantra Shastra is a very detailed work and includes mantra dosha etc. > > > It is very scientific and accurate. It takes a lifetime to master > this. > > > > Some may be fascinated by the texture, color and volume of the chaff and > miss the grain. > > > > Most people who talk about mantra shastra focus on the chaff and not on > the grain. > > [sanjay Rath:] This sounds like saying that Einsten is bogus as Newtons > theory can explain everything! Viewpoint is very important. Perhaps what > you call the grain is the tree itself! That is the depth of knowledge > which decides whether you have the ability to reach the grain or are > still searching for the tree. > > > > * * * > > > > But the bottomline is this: Only a highly purified sadhaka of very low > ego can command specific results from god (not for selfishness or even > ego satisfaction, but acting as an unattached instrument of Nature > fulfilling one's dharma set by Nature). Various mantras and > technicalities of mantra shastra taught by rishis are meant for such > sadhakas. > > [sanjay Rath:] When will you start learning this? > > > > Those are hardly of use to so many people out there with dense egos > seeking specific selfish results. They cannot command specific results > from god (because of their heavy attachment to the result, which is in > turn due to their own attachment to a limited ego), even if they use all > the techniques of mantra shastra and all the associated rules of > astrology. Instead of wasting their time with these technicalities, they > will be better off learning to be good beggars at God's door. > > [sanjay Rath:] This is wrong. There was a time when there were only a > few very qualified doctors and they alone could cure. When the knowledge > is shared, more doctors arrive in the planet and they too can heal. > > Secondly, whether someone is training to be a beggar at Gods door is the > work of his/her spiritual master and NOT that of the Jyotishi. An > astrologer is *required to be humble* and not arrogate to himself this > task of asking people to be humble before God or such things. The path > that every creature takes is that of the spiritual master they seek and > follow. And it is the humility to the Guru alone that brings the ego > under control and makes it humble. One who cannot be humble before the > Guru is a gross failure when he tries to be humble before God and > submit. So what you are saying is actually *not fully correct* > > The first step is to be a beggar before the teacher/guru and then alone > can you be ready to be a beggar at the doors of God. > > > > Just pick any prasiddha mantra or a mantra you feel attracted to, > without worrying about so many technicalities, and learn to be humble > and surrender to the Lord. Patiently wait for him to give you what you > want. Like a beggar, take whatever and whenever he gives. > > [sanjay Rath:] I have done this for about 30 years now, and I believe > many people in this list have done this for maybe even longer periods. > What is the new thing you are saying? > > > > Keep praying every day or every second when you are able to. Even when > you are not praying, remember him in all of your actions. When you enjoy > something in the material world, tell yourself that it is his and that > he gave it to you. If you remember him all the time, slowly the dirt in > your mind will start to get cleaned. This fixing of attitude is > faaaaaaaaaaaar more important than picking the right mantra, right > weekday, right tithi etc (that too based on unreliable knowledge coming > from questionable sources!). > > [sanjay Rath:] Stop giving a sermon Narasimha?? I know all this, so what > is it that you are talking about? Come to the point. > > It is pathetic that what you say as *unreliable source* is what you > practised for a decade and never questioned it until suddenly when you > are *not a part of the Jaimini scholar program* !! > > Vaara/Weekday prayers - > > Forget the first batch of Jaimini scholars, just ask anyone in the > second batch in year-2/3 and they can easily explain †" > > 1. Why is Lord Shiva worshipped on Mondays? 2. Why is Lord Vishnu > worshipped on Thursdays? > > Now don’t try to tell me you did not know that Lord Shiva is > worshipped by millions of Indians on Mondays! > > Tithi Prayers > > Fasting on tithi’s concerned to the birth anniversary of the > devata on the days of the tithi are too well known. And you are a > software maker, have written papers on this also. So why this sudden > volta-face? > > Ekadashi fasting is done by a few millions of people for Krishna for > Yuga santarana i.e. tiding over the Yuga effects. > > Why is ekadashi fasting advocated for this? What link does Ekadashi have > to Kali yuga? You do not know the answer does not mean that it is wrong. > And if you know the answer, then why do you say that the tithi fasting > is wrong??! > > > > * * * > > > > There may be a mountain with thousands of paths (mantra) for climbing > it. Each path may lead to a different spot (different experience) on the > top and show a different scenery (result). Expert advisors (astrologers) > may tell you to use a specific path (mantra) to see a specific scenery > (result). But such advice is useless to a handicapped person without > legs (a selfish person with dense ego). It is relevant only to person > with legs and one who is strong and sturdy, who can successfully climb > the mountain (a reasonably detached person with very little ego). > > [sanjay Rath:] Another Sermon about being selfish > > ....since the letter is addressed to me it implies that you mean *I am > selfish*. ...and now people will be wondering about what am I selfish? > Is it because I did not share the Jaimni scholar lectures? I invited you > and een was prepard to shift dates, but you were too busy filming about > Krishna’s birth or something. > > > > Even when you encounter a person who has legs and can actually climb the > mountain, the stress should be on how to climb the mountain and traverse > the long path, rather than which path to take. The astrologers who are > bogged down by all the technicalities and people who take customized > mantra advice from astrologers and think that they will get a result > quickly by doing that 'powerful' mantra are missing the basic point. The > power of a powerful mantra is with respect to the experience and result > obtained *after* one succeeds with the mantra. A partcicularly powerful > mantra is akin to a path leading to a point atop the mountain where the > view shows a particularly beautiful scenery. But the bottomline is that > you do have to survive the climb along the long path. > > [sanjay Rath:] No No Narasimha, mantra is beautiful. It is not *ardous* > like climbing mountain. It is beautiful like a dance †" yes a > dance on top of Kailash with Lord Shiva. > > So this sermn is very wrong really. I have mantra lord Moon in 12th > house, so it s a dance for me, you have 5th lord (mantra) in 8th house > (hard) in debility in Aries (mountain), so it like climbing a mountain > for you. > > You see here also the karma plays out. > > > > We need to emphasize the attitude and approach needed for the long > climb, rather than emphasizing the choice of the path based on > horoscope. It is worth noting that so many great spiritual teachers who > came in the last century or two did not emphasize picking the right > mantra based on horoscope etc. Instead, they emphasized having the > correct attitude - surrender, submission, devotion, patience, > persistence, discipline, humility etc!!!! *That* is a lot more important > and useful than trying to be oversmart with the choice of mantra, day > etc and impress god. > > [sanjay Rath:] Really and how do you wish to *STANDADIZE* this? You have > a given formula for the approach and attitude or is it borrowed from > another, and if so then why are you assuming that the people in this > list do not know about *surrender, submission, devotion, patience, > persistence, discipline, humility etc!!!! * > > No one is trying to be over smart. They are being smart. > > They are only using certain rules to approach based on available > knowledge. And that knowledge seems to be bothering you like your > problem with Upapada fasting. > > > > * * * > > > > > when should the worship of a graha be done? Let us say someone > > > wishes to worship Mars (Mangala graha). When do you think this > > > worship should be done? > > > You can do anyday. Parasara does not mention any day for doing homam to > a graha. > > In fact, if one wants, one can do a homam or worship to Mars (or any > planet) every day. It is even better that way. > > If an astrologer suggests doing it on a Tuesday, it is fine. But saying > that doing it on so and so day will bring serious dangers because Mars > is an enemy of so and so planet would be stretching things. > > [sanjay Rath:] Read the PURANAS. What you write clearly shows lack of > understanding  of the Puranas. Why would the Rishi advise a > particular day? Are they wrong? Why is the Gayatri initiation done on > Wednesdays and Thursdays? Why is it not done on Saturday? > > You earlier said that this can be done on any day, then why did they > advise a particular day for this? > > > > > > > [sanjay Rath:] Where do you think Veda Vyasa (Krishna dvaipaayana) got > his > > > knowledge and those who wrote it as scribes for him, where did they > get it from? > > > From Self - from within. That is the source of all knowledge. A sadguru > need not specifically teach thousand things, but needs to open the door > inside. > > [sanjay Rath:] THAT IS AHAMKARA speaking. > > The correct answer in complete humility is “The knowledge comes > from one source †" Bhagavan.†Surrender to Him and he is > the one who will have the door opened, and then the self will gradually > fade away like a mist coming over a house. > > > > * * * > > > > > OK, just spell it out. What is the reason for Gandanta being in 0 deg, > > > 120 deg and 240 deg of the zodiac if it is not a junction between agni > > > and jala...I want to her your words if you have any. > > > > Parasara's definition of gandanta is restricted to two neighboring areas > in a contiguous space having a predominance of fire and water elements. > " I see fire and I see water. So there is gandanta " is a wrong approach. > One can then call Venus, a watery planet, being in a fiery sign or Mars, > a fiery planet, being in a watery sign as gandanta. Gandanta requires a > *transition* in a contiguous space. > > In your example of upapada lord's tithi, there is no contiguous space > where there is a water-fire transition. > > [sanjay Rath:] There is something called Tithi Gandanta! Gandanta exists > between Purna and nanda tithi. > > What is wrong with tithi fasting related to the devata of the planet > associated with the Upapada? While Vara vrata will bring about marriage, > tithi vrata associated with the devata should sustain it? Similarly, > malefic in the 12th house can also be pacified either by their devata or > if there are planets in the 8th house, then these planets shall support. > > > > > Now somewhere you talked of wasting time!!! Look what you are doing. > > > You were asked to work on Parashara by your Spiritual Master, and > > > are you doing that? Me10, Ve7, Ve6...good research but is that from > > > Parashara? > > > Well, Me10, Ve7 etc theory is based on marrying two different teachings > of Parasara (bhava karakas and special lagnas). I do not really consider > it as my creation but as understanding Parasara's teachings only. > > > > [sanjay Rath:] Special Lagna are derived on the principle of circular > motion and the Sun as the Lagna in the first place is derived from the > Sun. > > What you have done is to treat every planet like the Sun which is wrong. > > The normal procedure for looking at the karaka bhava is Me10 = 10th > house from Mercury; Ve7 is 7th house from Venus and so on...in the rasi > and varga charts. > > Narasimha, this is your creation and NOT taught in BPHS. Please do not > twist. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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