Why Ashtak Varga System is Incomplete ? kshantaram

[Guest guest]

Shri Lalitji, regards

 

if i could share my ashtakavarga experience, my 11th house has the maximum 40

marks among all the houses but jupiter transit natal jupiter in the 11th in sani

dasha gave zero income throughout, while promotions/increments during the 11th

transit in jupiter dasa only.

 

similary current saturn in the 11th too is not yet helful in securing full time

income since dec 25 2007.

 

hope this further helps reflect on the ashtakavarga system,

 

 

kshantaram

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> Aavesh Sir,

>

> I picked the book written by CS Patel today itself, went to office of sagar

publication, delhi, where both mr. sagar and his son met, taking advantage of

roasting afternoon, we had a good chat, his son became a friend of mine and

asked a tricky question he had quite a complex chart.

>

> He is cancer lagna guy, with Sun, Venus and Mars in 3rd house, Merc in 4'th

and Jup and Moon are in 8'th house, Saturn is also in 3rd house, perhapse rahu

is in 5'th and ketu in 11'th.

>

> Mars being 10'th lord's going to 3'rd house and also in combustion along with

Venus's debilitation shows challanges in undertakings.

>

> Well, his question was, When he will have his own property during what period

: Merc-Venus or Merc - Sun or Merc-Mars? he was running, Merc - Venus since

Sept, 2007 and will enter into Merc - Sun in 2010 (dont remember month).

>

> I said, in the said periods, Merc - Sun is most likely to give him property,

Even, his business might be on rise since Merc-Venus started but combustion

state of Venus says gains will not turn to wealth or property.

>

> He was agreed and curious how i can tell him this so easily, coz, as per him,

established astrologers took time to reach such a conclusion, I said it's becoz

of right fundamentals, you know, he was hiding that the horoscope he was showing

is his own horoscope, U know there was a stiff challange as publisher has

connection to all eminent astrologers of india, even before me, his father was

talking to DS Manthur and to Shankar Adwal, which i ignored as i know what depth

Shankar Adwal has.

>

> His father was surprised why i dont by Bharati Bhavan and ICAS's text books, I

said, their authors need to look at life once again applying their own

principles, unless study life thoroughly, he cant do any good in astrology.

>

>

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

> His Question was

>

>

>

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >  

> > It is nice that you have taken my suggestion of going through the book by

Patel

> >  

> > You will get the answer to all your queries after you study the book

> >  

> >  

> > With Best Wishes,

> >  

> > aavesh

> >

> > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > litsol <mishra.lalit@>

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Why Ashtak Varga System is

Incomplete ?

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 11:03 PM

> >

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > My opinion is based on following facts -

> >

> > 1. Ashtakvarga doesnt consider bhavas, it concludes only planets and signs,

thought it considers lagna as well as a planet.

> >

> > 2. It divides a sign in 8 parts alloted to planets, sequencce of parts or

ashtaks is fixed for all the signs.

> >

> > 3. It doesnt consider dasha system, aspects and yogas, therefore it cant say

what potential one's chart has.

> >

> > Following ur suggestion, I will study CS Patel and review my opinion.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t <aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >  

> > > I have always admired your passion to learn Jyotish.Your approach to

testing principles on charts before accepting them is also praiseworthy.

> > >  

> > > In the case of AshtakVarga however you have not got to the heart of this

technique.Ashtakvarga is a complete techinique in itself and was proposed by

Maharishi

> > > Parashara for the 'intellectual pygmies' of Kaliyuga (vide BPHS)

> > >  

> > > I suggest you read the following books thoroughly to understand the depth

of this techique:

> > >  

> > > (i) Ashtakvarga --By C.S.Patel and Aiyar

> > >  

> > > (ii) Dots of Destiny --By Vinay Aditya

> > >  

> > > I hope that you will take my advice constructively and incorporate this in

your study of Jyotish

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With Best Wishes,

> > >  

> > > aavesh

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > litsol <mishra.lalit@>

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Why Ashtak Varga System is Incomplete

?

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Monday, 11 May, 2009, 10:09 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Group,

> > >

> > > These days in various groups, inlflated discussion is going on about

Ashtak Verga system.

> > >

> > > I studied ashtak verga when i was a class 12'th student and that was my

first entry into astrology, what i found is, it's mere a static system, doesn't

have potential to make fine and extensive discoveries lie vimshottari Dasha

system has.

> > >

> > > I dont understand instead of doing researches into Vimshottari, why

brother PV Narsimha is putting lot of efforts on conditional dashas?

> > >

> > > To some extent ashtak verga may help in assesment of planetary strength

and it tries to cover effects of planetary transits, but, it has no base to help

you enough ike what few people claims.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Shantaram Ji,

 

I m still studying CS Patel, so, w'd respond to you in next 2-3 days

only, with

first 50-60 pages study of his book i can say, he is a great authour,

quite

knowledgeble but why he picked up only those cases where dictums come

true makes book

less acceptable, he should have also told that why same transits with

respect to

ashtak points of a house dont make an event, should have outlined it

also.

 

That looks study of one side of the coin only, well, firstm let me

complete the

book.

 

regards,

Lalit

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> Hi Shantaram Ji,

>

> I m still studying CS Patel, so, w'd respond to you in next 2-3 days

only, with first 50-60 pages study of his book i can say, he is a great

authour, quite knowledgeble but why he picked up only those cases where

dictums come true makes less acceptable, he should have also told that

why same transits with respect to ashtak points of a house dont nake an

event.

>

> That looks study of one side of the coin only, well, firstm let me

complete the book.

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " shantaramkhrd "

shantaramkhrd@ wrote:

> >

> > Shri Lalitji, regards

> >

> > if i could share my ashtakavarga experience, my 11th house has the

maximum 40 marks among all the houses but jupiter transit natal jupiter

in the 11th in sani dasha gave zero income throughout, while

promotions/increments during the 11th transit in jupiter dasa only.

> >

> > similary current saturn in the 11th too is not yet helful in

securing full time income since dec 25 2007.

> >

> > hope this further helps reflect on the ashtakavarga system,

> >

> >

> > kshantaram

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

<mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Aavesh Sir,

> > >

> > > I picked the book written by CS Patel today itself, went to office

of sagar publication, delhi, where both mr. sagar and his son met,

taking advantage of roasting afternoon, we had a good chat, his son

became a friend of mine and asked a tricky question he had quite a

complex chart.

> > >

> > > He is cancer lagna guy, with Sun, Venus and Mars in 3rd house,

Merc in 4'th and Jup and Moon are in 8'th house, Saturn is also in 3rd

house, perhapse rahu is in 5'th and ketu in 11'th.

> > >

> > > Mars being 10'th lord's going to 3'rd house and also in combustion

along with Venus's debilitation shows challanges in undertakings.

> > >

> > > Well, his question was, When he will have his own property during

what period : Merc-Venus or Merc - Sun or Merc-Mars? he was running,

Merc - Venus since Sept, 2007 and will enter into Merc - Sun in 2010

(dont remember month).

> > >

> > > I said, in the said periods, Merc - Sun is most likely to give him

property, Even, his business might be on rise since Merc-Venus started

but combustion state of Venus says gains will not turn to wealth or

property.

> > >

> > > He was agreed and curious how i can tell him this so easily, coz,

as per him, established astrologers took time to reach such a

conclusion, I said it's becoz of right fundamentals, you know, he was

hiding that the horoscope he was showing is his own horoscope, U know

there was a stiff challange as publisher has connection to all eminent

astrologers of india, even before me, his father was talking to DS

Manthur and to Shankar Adwal, which i ignored as i know what depth

Shankar Adwal has.

> > >

> > > His father was surprised why i dont by Bharati Bhavan and ICAS's

text books, I said, their authors need to look at life once again

applying their own principles, unless study life thoroughly, he cant do

any good in astrology.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit

> > >

> > > His Question was

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t

<aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > It is nice that you have taken my suggestion of going through

the book by Patel

> > > >

> > > > You will get the answer to all your queries after you study the

book

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With Best Wishes,

> > > >

> > > > aavesh

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Why Ashtak Varga System

is Incomplete ?

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 11:03 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > My opinion is based on following facts -

> > > >

> > > > 1. Ashtakvarga doesnt consider bhavas, it concludes only planets

and signs, thought it considers lagna as well as a planet.

> > > >

> > > > 2. It divides a sign in 8 parts alloted to planets, sequencce of

parts or ashtaks is fixed for all the signs.

> > > >

> > > > 3. It doesnt consider dasha system, aspects and yogas, therefore

it cant say what potential one's chart has.

> > > >

> > > > Following ur suggestion, I will study CS Patel and review my

opinion.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , aavesh t

<aavesh_s@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always admired your passion to learn Jyotish.Your

approach to testing principles on charts before accepting them is also

praiseworthy.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the case of AshtakVarga however you have not got to the

heart of this technique.Ashtakvarga is a complete techinique in itself

and was proposed by Maharishi

> > > > > Parashara for the 'intellectual pygmies' of Kaliyuga (vide

BPHS)

> > > > >

> > > > > I suggest you read the following books thoroughly to

understand the depth of this techique:

> > > > >

> > > > > (i) Ashtakvarga --By C.S.Patel and Aiyar

> > > > >

> > > > > (ii) Dots of Destiny --By Vinay Aditya

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope that you will take my advice constructively and

incorporate this in your study of Jyotish

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > With Best Wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > aavesh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Mon, 11/5/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Why Ashtak Varga System is

Incomplete ?

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Monday, 11 May, 2009, 10:09 PM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Group,

> > > > >

> > > > > These days in various groups, inlflated discussion is going on

about Ashtak Verga system.

> > > > >

> > > > > I studied ashtak verga when i was a class 12'th student and

that was my first entry into astrology, what i found is, it's mere a

static system, doesn't have potential to make fine and extensive

discoveries lie vimshottari Dasha system has.

> > > > >

> > > > > I dont understand instead of doing researches into

Vimshottari, why brother PV Narsimha is putting lot of efforts on

conditional dashas?

> > > > >

> > > > > To some extent ashtak verga may help in assesment of planetary

strength and it tries to cover effects of planetary transits, but, it

has no base to help you enough ike what few people claims.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ---

> > > > >

> > > > >