Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Hello Lalit,What's the proof that we are immortal ? I am not looking for answers in meditation, I just want simple and solid evidence to substantiate that we are immortal. Regards,Sunita--- On Thu, 5/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote:litsol <mishra.lalit[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] No laughing matter [Existing order & (Re: A Serious Matter... Immortality !!)]Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:38 PM RK Daa, I see no complexity in this world, things are pretty simple !! What's complicated in Geeta or in any Upnishad ... any thing that u could not understand, or ur authors couldn't understand, Pls put here ?? Yes, those who writes commentary on Geeta without realization, It's complex for them. See, Unless you get experience of Viswa Darshan, You cant imagine it, every sadhaka get's Viswa Darshan, and Krishna becomes a guide to him. What's complexity ? Every sadhaka wins his Mahabhrata war, this is what Krishna ensured, He said Arjun to fight, This is what i said ... Courage is the message of Geeta not the negative show of ego called - "Humility". What's humility ? Who recognizes other's humility, that who has mounted ego, that who is narrow minded - Kripan, he seeks humility. With all ur logic on "What is immortal" and knowledge of "Aarsh Vakyas", Can u check why u fail to belive ur immortality as Geeta says, isn't it a contrast within ?? There are crores of crores like you who are trapped in pages of books, there are crores and crores of like you who perhapse knows more shlokas then me but couldn't apply one single on their life. This is where book reading dont work, Seems, your ego of reading books is getting hurt. See, I tell you what's not immortal, Those who dont remember their immortality are mortals, they die every day ... they compromise every minute they are bounded, they read about liberty but are trapped. Choice is your's, correct urself, take first step, start doing one mantra for a week itself, you will see, ur vision is changed and you are back to right path. Mind it, Sani has become direct some 12 days back, Check, how negative elements are attacking positivity, This sani is aggrevating many minds, Sani denotes air .... regards, Lalit Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "arkaydash" <arkaydash@. ..> wrote: > > > Lalit, > > Geeta is held to be gospel truth; to wit, arsh vakya of the indubitable > kind. Doesn't mean there is no light further to it. The logos-ontology > (being) interface is very complex. There are many things you can't as > yet conceptualise. (The turnstile process I talked of has flown over you > head, I'm sure.) What you can't articulate in some way or other is > non-existent for the rest of the world, unless of course your action > (rather than disgustingly daring enunciation) takes over. > > I will have to stop responding to your incoherent solipsism that > blabbers about your 'spiritual' implosion. > > But what is not spiritual? By that logic, what is not immortal? Yet, you > would cast off your sheath one day, you fall prey to delusions now and > then like most others (like most others?) [the difference is others are > better self-aware as being part of the collective, being of common > denomination. That is modesty, that's Negative Capability. The last > mentioned term is an aesthetic term. Modesty is not an attitude to > assume. It's a mode of being, Being Sentient. You are a far cry. > > When you can't articulate, what happens? To that extent you are > 'nirveda'. S0 what-vid would you consider yourself to be? With your > disdain behind: "And yes, I m not an author", you would do well not to > issue edicts from a mere . Just sit down cheek in hand, or > chin to your chest or look around and be filled with wonderment at this > complex Creation. The complex world doesn't boggle your mind enough. > Don't talk of sadhana. It will speak for itself if it needs to be. Its > effects, I mean. > > Please don't require me to validate your siddhi or whatever you think > you have attained to or are into. Don't get me to say what nobody needs > to say about another, especially in such matters. I think you will > meanwhile do yourself immense good if you don't throw yourself on the > outer, rather than draw yourself in and feel rich, build yourself > better. You have every right to feel rich (or enriched by your > experiences) without waiting for the world to validate it. But if you go > about it this way, casting around your 'wealth', you will not even be > called Laughable Buddha. Won't then blame Narasimha alone. > > Look, I ain't doing myself any honour here, saying this. But I have been > dragged in. I was wary of entering upon this group and engaging in your > kind of this and that? I remember I wrote back I would take time to > decide, after you repeatedly implored me to join. > > Take care, > > RK > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > RK Daa, > > > > We are immortals,u have also quickly reacted in a rash to my > expression on boring Geeta, do u really believe Geeta and understand the > message that Krishna has given. > > > > He says "Na Jayate Mriyate ....", I dont remember the shloka, I dont > bother to remember, but i know it's meaning and realize it, Krishna has > said the same what i m saying - We are Immortals, As i know, including > you every body is Immortal, I find it very funny when those scholars > writes with their 2 cents - "We mortals". > > > > Why ppl dont believe it whereas book shelves of shops are filled with > dozens of versions of Geeta, they write and they read, but where is > realization ? Actually, this is where knowledge doesnt work, you read > geeta one more time and you are yet to realize it, and what you have in > hand, an increased count !! you can tell that you have read it for 50 > times or 100 times....... > > > > I m trying to put all in the path where you can feel it by experience, > can check it, can verify it and it's very easy, as simple as reading > this mail. > > > > Just feel, if we know it by experience, on what scale our productivity > will increase, how many folds our personality will develop, How much > happiness and success in our endeavors, happiness in our daily life we > w'd get ??? > > > > See, geeta doesnt tell about the process to know how to feel it's > messages in practical day to day life and that's why readers find it > boring. > > > > There are other books, which goes few steps ahead in line of Geeta's > message, but, when i see, those scholars who dont see even a single > shloka of Geeta working in their life are dumping libraries with their > commentaries, I felt bad. > > > > Why to argument in the style of expressions, the manner of talks, see, > I speak and write from the core of the heart, Why i come true ? > > > > I dont mix things, I dont put a film on it, I dont seek any > popularity, do u point to this by saying "Subjective" . I cant adulterate > my expressions to make them artificialy popular or make them > reconizable, You know rains are always welcome and loved then any > artifical drizzling, yea, sometimes i outpour .... !!! > > > > As i told to you that We have forgoten the language of I, Even Krishna > has spoken in the language of I, I m speaking in the same language, and > after me, whosoever, will walk on the true path of sadhana, will speak > the language of I, I want everybody to rise to the level of speaking the > language of I. > > > > Pls walk on the path of spirituality, do the sadhaana, not for a > longer period, just start it today and continue doing it for a month, > anybody can come to know that I m right and correct as he will come to > know that he is also going in correct direction. > > > > I dont appreciate Buddha's path of escapism, his immature vision is > responsible for India's downfall, however, he was the most ambetious man > to spread his religion, what a contrast in speech and action. > > > > Why to spread a religion - ? > > > > And yes, I m not an author. > > > > regards, > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "arkaydash" > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > I've observed you closely, spending some well-purposed time with > you. > > > Narasimha may be amused or bemused, but I'm concerned when I read > such > > > writings by you here. What you try to outline in these posts from > time > > > to time leaves me uneasy. From what I make out, you have been > > > living/acting on a plane different from most others, perhaps all > others. > > > > > > I concede that you are talking pure experience. My fear is that when > you > > > become so sure of the implications of your inner experiences, there > are > > > serious mismatches between understandable experiences and set > notions on > > > one hand and, on the other, your subjective accoounts of the jouney > of > > > your chetnaa, your unfolding. You self-discover and you act along > that > > > discovery -- the challenge here being where to put up the turnstile > > > between discovery and action, how to sequence the two and then how > to > > > integrate the two. Is enunciation action, or prelude to action? No > > > action beyond enunciation? > > > > > > Many have misunderstood you badly in the past. You have not cared to > > > temper your wordings -- which not a few readers here find > outlandish. > > > Therefore, I try to rein you in. You have to go easy with this, not > use > > > tone and manners that are 'raw immortal'. This is Mrutyu Lok -- > Martya > > > in its Iron Age, according to widely accepted dogma (we mayn't > salute > > > that dogma, but not all dogmas are empty). Your immortal > > > reaching-forward requires a degree of correlation to existings order > and > > > its limitations. > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > I wish to share a serious matter of concern, I m very sad about, > In a > > > > mail to brother PV Narsimha in which i listed several discoveries > of > > > > astrology that i did just in play, and i mentioned that I will > take > > > this > > > > country to new age, he replied to me - He is amused at my > confidence, > > > > while discussing same with RK Daa, who belongs to top > > > > class intellectual community of india, he also outlined same to me > > > > ??? > > > > I m truly wounded at these people's mindset, What happened to our > > > > civilization, what happened to our vision and strength ??????? > > > > Has the entire age turned to crowd mentality, the > > > > dignified cowardice approach towards life , And when one says that > > > > he has courage and strength and shows his commitment to bring a > new > > > age > > > > for you, mind it for you only, you are amused at ???? > > > > You are intellectuals, you talk about Geeta and Upnsihads, all big > > > > talks, are u talking for the talking sake only, Why, What lacks in > you > > > > that you feel, One's saying that he will do this, makes you feel > > > > it's matter of amusement ? > > > > What difference is there between you and me ? I m as qualified or > > > > learned as you all are, then, why i can speak like this and also > work > > > on > > > > my line of talks and you perhaps more experienced in life, thinks > this > > > > is not unreal ? > > > > What is this age in which showing incapability is appreciated? > What > > > > happened to you Indians ? What has made you so negative so > cowardice > > > > ..... > > > > Yes, I dont look at outside to find my leader, I myself is my > leader, > > > I > > > > myself is source of my inspiration as i m a complete being, I > enjoy > > > > as sovereignty that the ruler of a country enjoys or in other > > > > terms, that the God itself enjoys, Until and unless God is > supreme, My > > > > liberty is granted, Until and Unless he is almighty, I m powerful > as i > > > > derive my strength from him and he is beyond questions. > > > > I wanted you to understand and feel it for you, i not a crooked > one, > > > > rather one who knows and lives what is discovered in our upnishads > and > > > o > > > > what ground our indian culture is based on. > > > > So, have u entered in a age when you w'd say Vivekananda' s > addressing > > > > you to be "Amritasya's Putrah" - (Immortal Son) was a show of > > > Stupidity > > > > ? > > > > I m here to remind you the power you have and to make you feel > that > > > > power within, Yes, I have fought uncountable fights and won all of > > > them, > > > > and I also want you to win all the obstacles you have in ur life > and > > > > mind it, It possible and true !! > > > > > > > > you can overcome all ur karmas and their effect provided you know > what > > > > you are, let me do that this for you as i have done it or doing it > for > > > > me, be free like me !! > > > > regards,Lalit > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2009 Report Share Posted May 28, 2009 Hi Sunita Di, Actually it's a matter of experience, A matter of knowing it. Pls check when a child is born, he knows how to suckle his mother's milk, how come he knows, it indicates, his past existance, isn't it ? See, We have kept our senses bounded to our body, we are packed, it requires a detachment and for that we need to learn the ways of detachment, this is called sadhana, the way those who wants good physic, goes to gym. I never ask any body meditate on any thing, I myslef never meditated on maa durga, when my guru said to me to do meditation i denied doing it as i had never seen her, such a meditation could be misleading. regards, Lalit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Karan <meeshusunita wrote: > > Hello Lalit, > > What's the proof that we are immortal ? I am not looking for answers in meditation, I just want simple and solid evidence to substantiate that we are immortal. > > Regards, > > Sunita > > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: > > litsol <mishra.lalit > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] No laughing matter [Existing order & (Re: A Serious Matter... Immortality !!)] > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > RK Daa, > > > > I see no complexity in this world, things are pretty simple !! > > > > What's complicated in Geeta or in any Upnishad ... any thing that u could not understand, or ur authors couldn't understand, Pls put here ?? Yes, those who writes commentary on Geeta without realization, It's complex for them. > > > > See, Unless you get experience of Viswa Darshan, You cant imagine it, every sadhaka get's Viswa Darshan, and Krishna becomes a guide to him. What's complexity ? > > > > Every sadhaka wins his Mahabhrata war, this is what Krishna ensured, He said Arjun to fight, This is what i said ... Courage is the message of Geeta not the negative show of ego called - " Humility " . > > > > What's humility ? Who recognizes other's humility, that who has mounted ego, that who is narrow minded - Kripan, he seeks humility. > > > > With all ur logic on " What is immortal " and knowledge of " Aarsh Vakyas " , Can u check why u fail to belive ur immortality as Geeta says, isn't it a contrast within ?? There are crores of crores like you who are trapped in pages of books, there are crores and crores of like you who perhapse knows more shlokas then me but couldn't apply one single on their life. > > > > This is where book reading dont work, Seems, your ego of reading books is getting hurt. See, I tell you what's not immortal, Those who dont remember their immortality are mortals, they die every day ... they compromise every minute they are bounded, they read about liberty but are trapped. > > > > Choice is your's, correct urself, take first step, start doing one mantra for a week itself, you will see, ur vision is changed and you are back to right path. > > > > Mind it, Sani has become direct some 12 days back, Check, how negative elements are attacking positivity, This sani is aggrevating many minds, Sani denotes air .... > > > > regards, > > Lalit > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " arkaydash " <arkaydash@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > Geeta is held to be gospel truth; to wit, arsh vakya of the indubitable > > > kind. Doesn't mean there is no light further to it. The logos-ontology > > > (being) interface is very complex. There are many things you can't as > > > yet conceptualise. (The turnstile process I talked of has flown over you > > > head, I'm sure.) What you can't articulate in some way or other is > > > non-existent for the rest of the world, unless of course your action > > > (rather than disgustingly daring enunciation) takes over. > > > > > > I will have to stop responding to your incoherent solipsism that > > > blabbers about your 'spiritual' implosion. > > > > > > But what is not spiritual? By that logic, what is not immortal? Yet, you > > > would cast off your sheath one day, you fall prey to delusions now and > > > then like most others (like most others?) [the difference is others are > > > better self-aware as being part of the collective, being of common > > > denomination. That is modesty, that's Negative Capability. The last > > > mentioned term is an aesthetic term. Modesty is not an attitude to > > > assume. It's a mode of being, Being Sentient. You are a far cry. > > > > > > When you can't articulate, what happens? To that extent you are > > > 'nirveda'. S0 what-vid would you consider yourself to be? With your > > > disdain behind: " And yes, I m not an author " , you would do well not to > > > issue edicts from a mere . Just sit down cheek in hand, or > > > chin to your chest or look around and be filled with wonderment at this > > > complex Creation. The complex world doesn't boggle your mind enough. > > > Don't talk of sadhana. It will speak for itself if it needs to be. Its > > > effects, I mean. > > > > > > Please don't require me to validate your siddhi or whatever you think > > > you have attained to or are into. Don't get me to say what nobody needs > > > to say about another, especially in such matters. I think you will > > > meanwhile do yourself immense good if you don't throw yourself on the > > > outer, rather than draw yourself in and feel rich, build yourself > > > better. You have every right to feel rich (or enriched by your > > > experiences) without waiting for the world to validate it. But if you go > > > about it this way, casting around your 'wealth', you will not even be > > > called Laughable Buddha. Won't then blame Narasimha alone. > > > > > > Look, I ain't doing myself any honour here, saying this. But I have been > > > dragged in. I was wary of entering upon this group and engaging in your > > > kind of this and that? I remember I wrote back I would take time to > > > decide, after you repeatedly implored me to join. > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > RK > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol " > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > RK Daa, > > > > > > > > We are immortals,u have also quickly reacted in a rash to my > > > expression on boring Geeta, do u really believe Geeta and understand the > > > message that Krishna has given. > > > > > > > > He says " Na Jayate Mriyate .... " , I dont remember the shloka, I dont > > > bother to remember, but i know it's meaning and realize it, Krishna has > > > said the same what i m saying - We are Immortals, As i know, including > > > you every body is Immortal, I find it very funny when those scholars > > > writes with their 2 cents - " We mortals " . > > > > > > > > Why ppl dont believe it whereas book shelves of shops are filled with > > > dozens of versions of Geeta, they write and they read, but where is > > > realization ? Actually, this is where knowledge doesnt work, you read > > > geeta one more time and you are yet to realize it, and what you have in > > > hand, an increased count !! you can tell that you have read it for 50 > > > times or 100 times....... > > > > > > > > I m trying to put all in the path where you can feel it by experience, > > > can check it, can verify it and it's very easy, as simple as reading > > > this mail. > > > > > > > > Just feel, if we know it by experience, on what scale our productivity > > > will increase, how many folds our personality will develop, How much > > > happiness and success in our endeavors, happiness in our daily life we > > > w'd get ??? > > > > > > > > See, geeta doesnt tell about the process to know how to feel it's > > > messages in practical day to day life and that's why readers find it > > > boring. > > > > > > > > There are other books, which goes few steps ahead in line of Geeta's > > > message, but, when i see, those scholars who dont see even a single > > > shloka of Geeta working in their life are dumping libraries with their > > > commentaries, I felt bad. > > > > > > > > Why to argument in the style of expressions, the manner of talks, see, > > > I speak and write from the core of the heart, Why i come true ? > > > > > > > > I dont mix things, I dont put a film on it, I dont seek any > > > popularity, do u point to this by saying " Subjective " . I cant adulterate > > > my expressions to make them artificialy popular or make them > > > reconizable, You know rains are always welcome and loved then any > > > artifical drizzling, yea, sometimes i outpour .... !!! > > > > > > > > As i told to you that We have forgoten the language of I, Even Krishna > > > has spoken in the language of I, I m speaking in the same language, and > > > after me, whosoever, will walk on the true path of sadhana, will speak > > > the language of I, I want everybody to rise to the level of speaking the > > > language of I. > > > > > > > > Pls walk on the path of spirituality, do the sadhaana, not for a > > > longer period, just start it today and continue doing it for a month, > > > anybody can come to know that I m right and correct as he will come to > > > know that he is also going in correct direction. > > > > > > > > I dont appreciate Buddha's path of escapism, his immature vision is > > > responsible for India's downfall, however, he was the most ambetious man > > > to spread his religion, what a contrast in speech and action. > > > > > > > > Why to spread a religion - ? > > > > > > > > And yes, I m not an author. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " arkaydash " > > > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > I've observed you closely, spending some well-purposed time with > > > you. > > > > > Narasimha may be amused or bemused, but I'm concerned when I read > > > such > > > > > writings by you here. What you try to outline in these posts from > > > time > > > > > to time leaves me uneasy. From what I make out, you have been > > > > > living/acting on a plane different from most others, perhaps all > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > I concede that you are talking pure experience. My fear is that when > > > you > > > > > become so sure of the implications of your inner experiences, there > > > are > > > > > serious mismatches between understandable experiences and set > > > notions on > > > > > one hand and, on the other, your subjective accoounts of the jouney > > > of > > > > > your chetnaa, your unfolding. You self-discover and you act along > > > that > > > > > discovery -- the challenge here being where to put up the turnstile > > > > > between discovery and action, how to sequence the two and then how > > > to > > > > > integrate the two. Is enunciation action, or prelude to action? No > > > > > action beyond enunciation? > > > > > > > > > > Many have misunderstood you badly in the past. You have not cared to > > > > > temper your wordings -- which not a few readers here find > > > outlandish. > > > > > Therefore, I try to rein you in. You have to go easy with this, not > > > use > > > > > tone and manners that are 'raw immortal'. This is Mrutyu Lok -- > > > Martya > > > > > in its Iron Age, according to widely accepted dogma (we mayn't > > > salute > > > > > that dogma, but not all dogmas are empty). Your immortal > > > > > reaching-forward requires a degree of correlation to existings order > > > and > > > > > its limitations. > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol " > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > I wish to share a serious matter of concern, I m very sad about, > > > In a > > > > > > mail to brother PV Narsimha in which i listed several discoveries > > > of > > > > > > astrology that i did just in play, and i mentioned that I will > > > take > > > > > this > > > > > > country to new age, he replied to me - He is amused at my > > > confidence, > > > > > > while discussing same with RK Daa, who belongs to top > > > > > > class intellectual community of india, he also outlined same to me > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > I m truly wounded at these people's mindset, What happened to our > > > > > > civilization, what happened to our vision and strength ??????? > > > > > > Has the entire age turned to crowd mentality, the > > > > > > dignified cowardice approach towards life , And when one says that > > > > > > he has courage and strength and shows his commitment to bring a > > > new > > > > > age > > > > > > for you, mind it for you only, you are amused at ???? > > > > > > You are intellectuals, you talk about Geeta and Upnsihads, all big > > > > > > talks, are u talking for the talking sake only, Why, What lacks in > > > you > > > > > > that you feel, One's saying that he will do this, makes you feel > > > > > > it's matter of amusement ? > > > > > > What difference is there between you and me ? I m as qualified or > > > > > > learned as you all are, then, why i can speak like this and also > > > work > > > > > on > > > > > > my line of talks and you perhaps more experienced in life, thinks > > > this > > > > > > is not unreal ? > > > > > > What is this age in which showing incapability is appreciated? > > > What > > > > > > happened to you Indians ? What has made you so negative so > > > cowardice > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > Yes, I dont look at outside to find my leader, I myself is my > > > leader, > > > > > I > > > > > > myself is source of my inspiration as i m a complete being, I > > > enjoy > > > > > > as sovereignty that the ruler of a country enjoys or in other > > > > > > terms, that the God itself enjoys, Until and unless God is > > > supreme, My > > > > > > liberty is granted, Until and Unless he is almighty, I m powerful > > > as i > > > > > > derive my strength from him and he is beyond questions. > > > > > > I wanted you to understand and feel it for you, i not a crooked > > > one, > > > > > > rather one who knows and lives what is discovered in our upnishads > > > and > > > > > o > > > > > > what ground our indian culture is based on. > > > > > > So, have u entered in a age when you w'd say Vivekananda' s > > > addressing > > > > > > you to be " Amritasya's Putrah " - (Immortal Son) was a show of > > > > > Stupidity > > > > > > ? > > > > > > I m here to remind you the power you have and to make you feel > > > that > > > > > > power within, Yes, I have fought uncountable fights and won all of > > > > > them, > > > > > > and I also want you to win all the obstacles you have in ur life > > > and > > > > > > mind it, It possible and true !! > > > > > > > > > > > > you can overcome all ur karmas and their effect provided you know > > > what > > > > > > you are, let me do that this for you as i have done it or doing it > > > for > > > > > > me, be free like me !! > > > > > > regards,Lalit > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 With this perspective, why don't they know how to talk , remember past life ? Regards, Sunita Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > Hi Sunita Di, > > Actually it's a matter of experience, A matter of knowing it. > > Pls check when a child is born, he knows how to suckle his mother's milk, how come he knows, it indicates, his past existance, isn't it ? > > See, We have kept our senses bounded to our body, we are packed, it requires a detachment and for that we need to learn the ways of detachment, this is called sadhana, the way those who wants good physic, goes to gym. > > I never ask any body meditate on any thing, I myslef never meditated on maa durga, when my guru said to me to do meditation i denied doing it as i had never seen her, such a meditation could be misleading. > > regards, > Lalit > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Karan <meeshusunita@> wrote: > > > > Hello Lalit, > > > > What's the proof that we are immortal ? I am not looking for answers in meditation, I just want simple and solid evidence to substantiate that we are immortal. > > > > Regards, > > > > Sunita > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] No laughing matter [Existing order & (Re: A Serious Matter... Immortality !!)] > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK Daa, > > > > > > > > I see no complexity in this world, things are pretty simple !! > > > > > > > > What's complicated in Geeta or in any Upnishad ... any thing that u could not understand, or ur authors couldn't understand, Pls put here ?? Yes, those who writes commentary on Geeta without realization, It's complex for them. > > > > > > > > See, Unless you get experience of Viswa Darshan, You cant imagine it, every sadhaka get's Viswa Darshan, and Krishna becomes a guide to him. What's complexity ? > > > > > > > > Every sadhaka wins his Mahabhrata war, this is what Krishna ensured, He said Arjun to fight, This is what i said ... Courage is the message of Geeta not the negative show of ego called - " Humility " . > > > > > > > > What's humility ? Who recognizes other's humility, that who has mounted ego, that who is narrow minded - Kripan, he seeks humility. > > > > > > > > With all ur logic on " What is immortal " and knowledge of " Aarsh Vakyas " , Can u check why u fail to belive ur immortality as Geeta says, isn't it a contrast within ?? There are crores of crores like you who are trapped in pages of books, there are crores and crores of like you who perhapse knows more shlokas then me but couldn't apply one single on their life. > > > > > > > > This is where book reading dont work, Seems, your ego of reading books is getting hurt. See, I tell you what's not immortal, Those who dont remember their immortality are mortals, they die every day ... they compromise every minute they are bounded, they read about liberty but are trapped. > > > > > > > > Choice is your's, correct urself, take first step, start doing one mantra for a week itself, you will see, ur vision is changed and you are back to right path. > > > > > > > > Mind it, Sani has become direct some 12 days back, Check, how negative elements are attacking positivity, This sani is aggrevating many minds, Sani denotes air .... > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " arkaydash " <arkaydash@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > Geeta is held to be gospel truth; to wit, arsh vakya of the indubitable > > > > > kind. Doesn't mean there is no light further to it. The logos-ontology > > > > > (being) interface is very complex. There are many things you can't as > > > > > yet conceptualise. (The turnstile process I talked of has flown over you > > > > > head, I'm sure.) What you can't articulate in some way or other is > > > > > non-existent for the rest of the world, unless of course your action > > > > > (rather than disgustingly daring enunciation) takes over. > > > > > > > > > > I will have to stop responding to your incoherent solipsism that > > > > > blabbers about your 'spiritual' implosion. > > > > > > > > > > But what is not spiritual? By that logic, what is not immortal? Yet, you > > > > > would cast off your sheath one day, you fall prey to delusions now and > > > > > then like most others (like most others?) [the difference is others are > > > > > better self-aware as being part of the collective, being of common > > > > > denomination. That is modesty, that's Negative Capability. The last > > > > > mentioned term is an aesthetic term. Modesty is not an attitude to > > > > > assume. It's a mode of being, Being Sentient. You are a far cry. > > > > > > > > > > When you can't articulate, what happens? To that extent you are > > > > > 'nirveda'. S0 what-vid would you consider yourself to be? With your > > > > > disdain behind: " And yes, I m not an author " , you would do well not to > > > > > issue edicts from a mere . Just sit down cheek in hand, or > > > > > chin to your chest or look around and be filled with wonderment at this > > > > > complex Creation. The complex world doesn't boggle your mind enough. > > > > > Don't talk of sadhana. It will speak for itself if it needs to be. Its > > > > > effects, I mean. > > > > > > > > > > Please don't require me to validate your siddhi or whatever you think > > > > > you have attained to or are into. Don't get me to say what nobody needs > > > > > to say about another, especially in such matters. I think you will > > > > > meanwhile do yourself immense good if you don't throw yourself on the > > > > > outer, rather than draw yourself in and feel rich, build yourself > > > > > better. You have every right to feel rich (or enriched by your > > > > > experiences) without waiting for the world to validate it. But if you go > > > > > about it this way, casting around your 'wealth', you will not even be > > > > > called Laughable Buddha. Won't then blame Narasimha alone. > > > > > > > > > > Look, I ain't doing myself any honour here, saying this. But I have been > > > > > dragged in. I was wary of entering upon this group and engaging in your > > > > > kind of this and that? I remember I wrote back I would take time to > > > > > decide, after you repeatedly implored me to join. > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol " > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > RK Daa, > > > > > > > > > > > > We are immortals,u have also quickly reacted in a rash to my > > > > > expression on boring Geeta, do u really believe Geeta and understand the > > > > > message that Krishna has given. > > > > > > > > > > > > He says " Na Jayate Mriyate .... " , I dont remember the shloka, I dont > > > > > bother to remember, but i know it's meaning and realize it, Krishna has > > > > > said the same what i m saying - We are Immortals, As i know, including > > > > > you every body is Immortal, I find it very funny when those scholars > > > > > writes with their 2 cents - " We mortals " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Why ppl dont believe it whereas book shelves of shops are filled with > > > > > dozens of versions of Geeta, they write and they read, but where is > > > > > realization ? Actually, this is where knowledge doesnt work, you read > > > > > geeta one more time and you are yet to realize it, and what you have in > > > > > hand, an increased count !! you can tell that you have read it for 50 > > > > > times or 100 times....... > > > > > > > > > > > > I m trying to put all in the path where you can feel it by experience, > > > > > can check it, can verify it and it's very easy, as simple as reading > > > > > this mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just feel, if we know it by experience, on what scale our productivity > > > > > will increase, how many folds our personality will develop, How much > > > > > happiness and success in our endeavors, happiness in our daily life we > > > > > w'd get ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > See, geeta doesnt tell about the process to know how to feel it's > > > > > messages in practical day to day life and that's why readers find it > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other books, which goes few steps ahead in line of Geeta's > > > > > message, but, when i see, those scholars who dont see even a single > > > > > shloka of Geeta working in their life are dumping libraries with their > > > > > commentaries, I felt bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why to argument in the style of expressions, the manner of talks, see, > > > > > I speak and write from the core of the heart, Why i come true ? > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont mix things, I dont put a film on it, I dont seek any > > > > > popularity, do u point to this by saying " Subjective " . I cant adulterate > > > > > my expressions to make them artificialy popular or make them > > > > > reconizable, You know rains are always welcome and loved then any > > > > > artifical drizzling, yea, sometimes i outpour .... !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > As i told to you that We have forgoten the language of I, Even Krishna > > > > > has spoken in the language of I, I m speaking in the same language, and > > > > > after me, whosoever, will walk on the true path of sadhana, will speak > > > > > the language of I, I want everybody to rise to the level of speaking the > > > > > language of I. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls walk on the path of spirituality, do the sadhaana, not for a > > > > > longer period, just start it today and continue doing it for a month, > > > > > anybody can come to know that I m right and correct as he will come to > > > > > know that he is also going in correct direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont appreciate Buddha's path of escapism, his immature vision is > > > > > responsible for India's downfall, however, he was the most ambetious man > > > > > to spread his religion, what a contrast in speech and action. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why to spread a religion - ? > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I m not an author. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " arkaydash " > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've observed you closely, spending some well-purposed time with > > > > > you. > > > > > > > Narasimha may be amused or bemused, but I'm concerned when I read > > > > > such > > > > > > > writings by you here. What you try to outline in these posts from > > > > > time > > > > > > > to time leaves me uneasy. From what I make out, you have been > > > > > > > living/acting on a plane different from most others, perhaps all > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I concede that you are talking pure experience. My fear is that when > > > > > you > > > > > > > become so sure of the implications of your inner experiences, there > > > > > are > > > > > > > serious mismatches between understandable experiences and set > > > > > notions on > > > > > > > one hand and, on the other, your subjective accoounts of the jouney > > > > > of > > > > > > > your chetnaa, your unfolding. You self-discover and you act along > > > > > that > > > > > > > discovery -- the challenge here being where to put up the turnstile > > > > > > > between discovery and action, how to sequence the two and then how > > > > > to > > > > > > > integrate the two. Is enunciation action, or prelude to action? No > > > > > > > action beyond enunciation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have misunderstood you badly in the past. You have not cared to > > > > > > > temper your wordings -- which not a few readers here find > > > > > outlandish. > > > > > > > Therefore, I try to rein you in. You have to go easy with this, not > > > > > use > > > > > > > tone and manners that are 'raw immortal'. This is Mrutyu Lok -- > > > > > Martya > > > > > > > in its Iron Age, according to widely accepted dogma (we mayn't > > > > > salute > > > > > > > that dogma, but not all dogmas are empty). Your immortal > > > > > > > reaching-forward requires a degree of correlation to existings order > > > > > and > > > > > > > its limitations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > I wish to share a serious matter of concern, I m very sad about, > > > > > In a > > > > > > > > mail to brother PV Narsimha in which i listed several discoveries > > > > > of > > > > > > > > astrology that i did just in play, and i mentioned that I will > > > > > take > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > country to new age, he replied to me - He is amused at my > > > > > confidence, > > > > > > > > while discussing same with RK Daa, who belongs to top > > > > > > > > class intellectual community of india, he also outlined same to me > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > I m truly wounded at these people's mindset, What happened to our > > > > > > > > civilization, what happened to our vision and strength ??????? > > > > > > > > Has the entire age turned to crowd mentality, the > > > > > > > > dignified cowardice approach towards life , And when one says that > > > > > > > > he has courage and strength and shows his commitment to bring a > > > > > new > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > > for you, mind it for you only, you are amused at ???? > > > > > > > > You are intellectuals, you talk about Geeta and Upnsihads, all big > > > > > > > > talks, are u talking for the talking sake only, Why, What lacks in > > > > > you > > > > > > > > that you feel, One's saying that he will do this, makes you feel > > > > > > > > it's matter of amusement ? > > > > > > > > What difference is there between you and me ? I m as qualified or > > > > > > > > learned as you all are, then, why i can speak like this and also > > > > > work > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > my line of talks and you perhaps more experienced in life, thinks > > > > > this > > > > > > > > is not unreal ? > > > > > > > > What is this age in which showing incapability is appreciated? > > > > > What > > > > > > > > happened to you Indians ? What has made you so negative so > > > > > cowardice > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > Yes, I dont look at outside to find my leader, I myself is my > > > > > leader, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > myself is source of my inspiration as i m a complete being, I > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > as sovereignty that the ruler of a country enjoys or in other > > > > > > > > terms, that the God itself enjoys, Until and unless God is > > > > > supreme, My > > > > > > > > liberty is granted, Until and Unless he is almighty, I m powerful > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > derive my strength from him and he is beyond questions. > > > > > > > > I wanted you to understand and feel it for you, i not a crooked > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > rather one who knows and lives what is discovered in our upnishads > > > > > and > > > > > > > o > > > > > > > > what ground our indian culture is based on. > > > > > > > > So, have u entered in a age when you w'd say Vivekananda' s > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > you to be " Amritasya's Putrah " - (Immortal Son) was a show of > > > > > > > Stupidity > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > I m here to remind you the power you have and to make you feel > > > > > that > > > > > > > > power within, Yes, I have fought uncountable fights and won all of > > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > > and I also want you to win all the obstacles you have in ur life > > > > > and > > > > > > > > mind it, It possible and true !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can overcome all ur karmas and their effect provided you know > > > > > what > > > > > > > > you are, let me do that this for you as i have done it or doing it > > > > > for > > > > > > > > me, be free like me !! > > > > > > > > regards,Lalit > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Sunita Di, A memory loss happens in mother's womb, but, that's not fully lost, Kids know how to speak, we only train them in our language. 7'th month in mother's womb plays major role in context of remembering past birth's life. I want you to experience a sort of something in which you can get answers to your queries, it will happen. Pls let's know when u urself get answers to ur queries and become confirmed.. answers in real terms. Hope u will revert soon with ur divine experience. regards, Lalit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " kapurs " <meeshusunita wrote: > > With this perspective, why don't they know how to talk , remember past life ? > > > Regards, > > Sunita > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > > <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > Hi Sunita Di, > > > > Actually it's a matter of experience, A matter of knowing it. > > > > Pls check when a child is born, he knows how to suckle his mother's milk, how come he knows, it indicates, his past existance, isn't it ? > > > > See, We have kept our senses bounded to our body, we are packed, it requires a detachment and for that we need to learn the ways of detachment, this is called sadhana, the way those who wants good physic, goes to gym. > > > > I never ask any body meditate on any thing, I myslef never meditated on maa durga, when my guru said to me to do meditation i denied doing it as i had never seen her, such a meditation could be misleading. > > > > regards, > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Karan <meeshusunita@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Lalit, > > > > > > What's the proof that we are immortal ? I am not looking for answers in meditation, I just want simple and solid evidence to substantiate that we are immortal. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sunita > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] No laughing matter [Existing order & (Re: A Serious Matter... Immortality !!)] > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK Daa, > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no complexity in this world, things are pretty simple !! > > > > > > > > > > > > What's complicated in Geeta or in any Upnishad ... any thing that u could not understand, or ur authors couldn't understand, Pls put here ?? Yes, those who writes commentary on Geeta without realization, It's complex for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > See, Unless you get experience of Viswa Darshan, You cant imagine it, every sadhaka get's Viswa Darshan, and Krishna becomes a guide to him. What's complexity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Every sadhaka wins his Mahabhrata war, this is what Krishna ensured, He said Arjun to fight, This is what i said ... Courage is the message of Geeta not the negative show of ego called - " Humility " . > > > > > > > > > > > > What's humility ? Who recognizes other's humility, that who has mounted ego, that who is narrow minded - Kripan, he seeks humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > With all ur logic on " What is immortal " and knowledge of " Aarsh Vakyas " , Can u check why u fail to belive ur immortality as Geeta says, isn't it a contrast within ?? There are crores of crores like you who are trapped in pages of books, there are crores and crores of like you who perhapse knows more shlokas then me but couldn't apply one single on their life. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is where book reading dont work, Seems, your ego of reading books is getting hurt. See, I tell you what's not immortal, Those who dont remember their immortality are mortals, they die every day ... they compromise every minute they are bounded, they read about liberty but are trapped. > > > > > > > > > > > > Choice is your's, correct urself, take first step, start doing one mantra for a week itself, you will see, ur vision is changed and you are back to right path. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind it, Sani has become direct some 12 days back, Check, how negative elements are attacking positivity, This sani is aggrevating many minds, Sani denotes air .... > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " arkaydash " <arkaydash@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geeta is held to be gospel truth; to wit, arsh vakya of the indubitable > > > > > > > kind. Doesn't mean there is no light further to it. The logos-ontology > > > > > > > (being) interface is very complex. There are many things you can't as > > > > > > > yet conceptualise. (The turnstile process I talked of has flown over you > > > > > > > head, I'm sure.) What you can't articulate in some way or other is > > > > > > > non-existent for the rest of the world, unless of course your action > > > > > > > (rather than disgustingly daring enunciation) takes over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have to stop responding to your incoherent solipsism that > > > > > > > blabbers about your 'spiritual' implosion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But what is not spiritual? By that logic, what is not immortal? Yet, you > > > > > > > would cast off your sheath one day, you fall prey to delusions now and > > > > > > > then like most others (like most others?) [the difference is others are > > > > > > > better self-aware as being part of the collective, being of common > > > > > > > denomination. That is modesty, that's Negative Capability. The last > > > > > > > mentioned term is an aesthetic term. Modesty is not an attitude to > > > > > > > assume. It's a mode of being, Being Sentient. You are a far cry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you can't articulate, what happens? To that extent you are > > > > > > > 'nirveda'. S0 what-vid would you consider yourself to be? With your > > > > > > > disdain behind: " And yes, I m not an author " , you would do well not to > > > > > > > issue edicts from a mere . Just sit down cheek in hand, or > > > > > > > chin to your chest or look around and be filled with wonderment at this > > > > > > > complex Creation. The complex world doesn't boggle your mind enough. > > > > > > > Don't talk of sadhana. It will speak for itself if it needs to be. Its > > > > > > > effects, I mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't require me to validate your siddhi or whatever you think > > > > > > > you have attained to or are into. Don't get me to say what nobody needs > > > > > > > to say about another, especially in such matters. I think you will > > > > > > > meanwhile do yourself immense good if you don't throw yourself on the > > > > > > > outer, rather than draw yourself in and feel rich, build yourself > > > > > > > better. You have every right to feel rich (or enriched by your > > > > > > > experiences) without waiting for the world to validate it. But if you go > > > > > > > about it this way, casting around your 'wealth', you will not even be > > > > > > > called Laughable Buddha. Won't then blame Narasimha alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, I ain't doing myself any honour here, saying this. But I have been > > > > > > > dragged in. I was wary of entering upon this group and engaging in your > > > > > > > kind of this and that? I remember I wrote back I would take time to > > > > > > > decide, after you repeatedly implored me to join. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK Daa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are immortals,u have also quickly reacted in a rash to my > > > > > > > expression on boring Geeta, do u really believe Geeta and understand the > > > > > > > message that Krishna has given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He says " Na Jayate Mriyate .... " , I dont remember the shloka, I dont > > > > > > > bother to remember, but i know it's meaning and realize it, Krishna has > > > > > > > said the same what i m saying - We are Immortals, As i know, including > > > > > > > you every body is Immortal, I find it very funny when those scholars > > > > > > > writes with their 2 cents - " We mortals " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why ppl dont believe it whereas book shelves of shops are filled with > > > > > > > dozens of versions of Geeta, they write and they read, but where is > > > > > > > realization ? Actually, this is where knowledge doesnt work, you read > > > > > > > geeta one more time and you are yet to realize it, and what you have in > > > > > > > hand, an increased count !! you can tell that you have read it for 50 > > > > > > > times or 100 times....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m trying to put all in the path where you can feel it by experience, > > > > > > > can check it, can verify it and it's very easy, as simple as reading > > > > > > > this mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just feel, if we know it by experience, on what scale our productivity > > > > > > > will increase, how many folds our personality will develop, How much > > > > > > > happiness and success in our endeavors, happiness in our daily life we > > > > > > > w'd get ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, geeta doesnt tell about the process to know how to feel it's > > > > > > > messages in practical day to day life and that's why readers find it > > > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other books, which goes few steps ahead in line of Geeta's > > > > > > > message, but, when i see, those scholars who dont see even a single > > > > > > > shloka of Geeta working in their life are dumping libraries with their > > > > > > > commentaries, I felt bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why to argument in the style of expressions, the manner of talks, see, > > > > > > > I speak and write from the core of the heart, Why i come true ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont mix things, I dont put a film on it, I dont seek any > > > > > > > popularity, do u point to this by saying " Subjective " . I cant adulterate > > > > > > > my expressions to make them artificialy popular or make them > > > > > > > reconizable, You know rains are always welcome and loved then any > > > > > > > artifical drizzling, yea, sometimes i outpour .... !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As i told to you that We have forgoten the language of I, Even Krishna > > > > > > > has spoken in the language of I, I m speaking in the same language, and > > > > > > > after me, whosoever, will walk on the true path of sadhana, will speak > > > > > > > the language of I, I want everybody to rise to the level of speaking the > > > > > > > language of I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls walk on the path of spirituality, do the sadhaana, not for a > > > > > > > longer period, just start it today and continue doing it for a month, > > > > > > > anybody can come to know that I m right and correct as he will come to > > > > > > > know that he is also going in correct direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont appreciate Buddha's path of escapism, his immature vision is > > > > > > > responsible for India's downfall, however, he was the most ambetious man > > > > > > > to spread his religion, what a contrast in speech and action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why to spread a religion - ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I m not an author. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " arkaydash " > > > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've observed you closely, spending some well-purposed time with > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > Narasimha may be amused or bemused, but I'm concerned when I read > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > writings by you here. What you try to outline in these posts from > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > to time leaves me uneasy. From what I make out, you have been > > > > > > > > > living/acting on a plane different from most others, perhaps all > > > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I concede that you are talking pure experience. My fear is that when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > become so sure of the implications of your inner experiences, there > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > serious mismatches between understandable experiences and set > > > > > > > notions on > > > > > > > > > one hand and, on the other, your subjective accoounts of the jouney > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > your chetnaa, your unfolding. You self-discover and you act along > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > discovery -- the challenge here being where to put up the turnstile > > > > > > > > > between discovery and action, how to sequence the two and then how > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > integrate the two. Is enunciation action, or prelude to action? No > > > > > > > > > action beyond enunciation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have misunderstood you badly in the past. You have not cared to > > > > > > > > > temper your wordings -- which not a few readers here find > > > > > > > outlandish. > > > > > > > > > Therefore, I try to rein you in. You have to go easy with this, not > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > tone and manners that are 'raw immortal'. This is Mrutyu Lok -- > > > > > > > Martya > > > > > > > > > in its Iron Age, according to widely accepted dogma (we mayn't > > > > > > > salute > > > > > > > > > that dogma, but not all dogmas are empty). Your immortal > > > > > > > > > reaching-forward requires a degree of correlation to existings order > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > its limitations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > I wish to share a serious matter of concern, I m very sad about, > > > > > > > In a > > > > > > > > > > mail to brother PV Narsimha in which i listed several discoveries > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > astrology that i did just in play, and i mentioned that I will > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > country to new age, he replied to me - He is amused at my > > > > > > > confidence, > > > > > > > > > > while discussing same with RK Daa, who belongs to top > > > > > > > > > > class intellectual community of india, he also outlined same to me > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > I m truly wounded at these people's mindset, What happened to our > > > > > > > > > > civilization, what happened to our vision and strength ??????? > > > > > > > > > > Has the entire age turned to crowd mentality, the > > > > > > > > > > dignified cowardice approach towards life , And when one says that > > > > > > > > > > he has courage and strength and shows his commitment to bring a > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > > > > for you, mind it for you only, you are amused at ???? > > > > > > > > > > You are intellectuals, you talk about Geeta and Upnsihads, all big > > > > > > > > > > talks, are u talking for the talking sake only, Why, What lacks in > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > that you feel, One's saying that he will do this, makes you feel > > > > > > > > > > it's matter of amusement ? > > > > > > > > > > What difference is there between you and me ? I m as qualified or > > > > > > > > > > learned as you all are, then, why i can speak like this and also > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > my line of talks and you perhaps more experienced in life, thinks > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is not unreal ? > > > > > > > > > > What is this age in which showing incapability is appreciated? > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > happened to you Indians ? What has made you so negative so > > > > > > > cowardice > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I dont look at outside to find my leader, I myself is my > > > > > > > leader, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > myself is source of my inspiration as i m a complete being, I > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > as sovereignty that the ruler of a country enjoys or in other > > > > > > > > > > terms, that the God itself enjoys, Until and unless God is > > > > > > > supreme, My > > > > > > > > > > liberty is granted, Until and Unless he is almighty, I m powerful > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > derive my strength from him and he is beyond questions. > > > > > > > > > > I wanted you to understand and feel it for you, i not a crooked > > > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > > > rather one who knows and lives what is discovered in our upnishads > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > o > > > > > > > > > > what ground our indian culture is based on. > > > > > > > > > > So, have u entered in a age when you w'd say Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > > you to be " Amritasya's Putrah " - (Immortal Son) was a show of > > > > > > > > > Stupidity > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > I m here to remind you the power you have and to make you feel > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > power within, Yes, I have fought uncountable fights and won all of > > > > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > > > > and I also want you to win all the obstacles you have in ur life > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > mind it, It possible and true !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can overcome all ur karmas and their effect provided you know > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you are, let me do that this for you as i have done it or doing it > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > me, be free like me !! > > > > > > > > > > regards,Lalit > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Lalit, this is where I get disappointed with spiritualists. When ever we try to ask questions to indicate some proof, they start pointing towards inner self.Why can't intelligence be used to comprehend God, past life, why does it always have to be intution/divinity, which has no answers.There is hardly anyone in the ( or may be none) world who can show evidence of immortality , God .I am not trying to be negative with your experiences, I am sure you have all the answers, my question is how do I get the answers, how do I explain my children that above listed concepts are true and valid.Everyone in spirituality tries to play with words, no one has any concrete answer.By initiating this email and arguing here , I am trying to get answers to my questions. My intention is certainly not to hurt anyone or underestimate. I respect you knowledge and divine experiences. They are very precious.Regards,Sunita --- On Fri, 5/29/09, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote:litsol <mishra.lalit[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: immortality evidence ?Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 11:43 AM Sunita Di, A memory loss happens in mother's womb, but, that's not fully lost, Kids know how to speak, we only train them in our language. 7'th month in mother's womb plays major role in context of remembering past birth's life. I want you to experience a sort of something in which you can get answers to your queries, it will happen. Pls let's know when u urself get answers to ur queries and become confirmed.. answers in real terms. Hope u will revert soon with ur divine experience. regards, Lalit Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "kapurs" <meeshusunita@ ...> wrote: > > With this perspective, why don't they know how to talk , remember past life ? > > > Regards, > > Sunita > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > Hi Sunita Di, > > > > Actually it's a matter of experience, A matter of knowing it. > > > > Pls check when a child is born, he knows how to suckle his mother's milk, how come he knows, it indicates, his past existance, isn't it ? > > > > See, We have kept our senses bounded to our body, we are packed, it requires a detachment and for that we need to learn the ways of detachment, this is called sadhana, the way those who wants good physic, goes to gym. > > > > I never ask any body meditate on any thing, I myslef never meditated on maa durga, when my guru said to me to do meditation i denied doing it as i had never seen her, such a meditation could be misleading. > > > > regards, > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Karan <meeshusunita@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Lalit, > > > > > > What's the proof that we are immortal ? I am not looking for answers in meditation, I just want simple and solid evidence to substantiate that we are immortal. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sunita > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] No laughing matter [Existing order & (Re: A Serious Matter... Immortality !!)] > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK Daa, > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no complexity in this world, things are pretty simple !! > > > > > > > > > > > > What's complicated in Geeta or in any Upnishad ... any thing that u could not understand, or ur authors couldn't understand, Pls put here ?? Yes, those who writes commentary on Geeta without realization, It's complex for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > See, Unless you get experience of Viswa Darshan, You cant imagine it, every sadhaka get's Viswa Darshan, and Krishna becomes a guide to him. What's complexity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Every sadhaka wins his Mahabhrata war, this is what Krishna ensured, He said Arjun to fight, This is what i said ... Courage is the message of Geeta not the negative show of ego called - "Humility". > > > > > > > > > > > > What's humility ? Who recognizes other's humility, that who has mounted ego, that who is narrow minded - Kripan, he seeks humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > With all ur logic on "What is immortal" and knowledge of "Aarsh Vakyas", Can u check why u fail to belive ur immortality as Geeta says, isn't it a contrast within ?? There are crores of crores like you who are trapped in pages of books, there are crores and crores of like you who perhapse knows more shlokas then me but couldn't apply one single on their life. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is where book reading dont work, Seems, your ego of reading books is getting hurt. See, I tell you what's not immortal, Those who dont remember their immortality are mortals, they die every day ... they compromise every minute they are bounded, they read about liberty but are trapped. > > > > > > > > > > > > Choice is your's, correct urself, take first step, start doing one mantra for a week itself, you will see, ur vision is changed and you are back to right path. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind it, Sani has become direct some 12 days back, Check, how negative elements are attacking positivity, This sani is aggrevating many minds, Sani denotes air .... > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "arkaydash" <arkaydash@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geeta is held to be gospel truth; to wit, arsh vakya of the indubitable > > > > > > > kind. Doesn't mean there is no light further to it. The logos-ontology > > > > > > > (being) interface is very complex. There are many things you can't as > > > > > > > yet conceptualise. (The turnstile process I talked of has flown over you > > > > > > > head, I'm sure.) What you can't articulate in some way or other is > > > > > > > non-existent for the rest of the world, unless of course your action > > > > > > > (rather than disgustingly daring enunciation) takes over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have to stop responding to your incoherent solipsism that > > > > > > > blabbers about your 'spiritual' implosion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But what is not spiritual? By that logic, what is not immortal? Yet, you > > > > > > > would cast off your sheath one day, you fall prey to delusions now and > > > > > > > then like most others (like most others?) [the difference is others are > > > > > > > better self-aware as being part of the collective, being of common > > > > > > > denomination. That is modesty, that's Negative Capability. The last > > > > > > > mentioned term is an aesthetic term. Modesty is not an attitude to > > > > > > > assume. It's a mode of being, Being Sentient. You are a far cry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you can't articulate, what happens? To that extent you are > > > > > > > 'nirveda'. S0 what-vid would you consider yourself to be? With your > > > > > > > disdain behind: "And yes, I m not an author", you would do well not to > > > > > > > issue edicts from a mere . Just sit down cheek in hand, or > > > > > > > chin to your chest or look around and be filled with wonderment at this > > > > > > > complex Creation. The complex world doesn't boggle your mind enough. > > > > > > > Don't talk of sadhana. It will speak for itself if it needs to be. Its > > > > > > > effects, I mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't require me to validate your siddhi or whatever you think > > > > > > > you have attained to or are into. Don't get me to say what nobody needs > > > > > > > to say about another, especially in such matters. I think you will > > > > > > > meanwhile do yourself immense good if you don't throw yourself on the > > > > > > > outer, rather than draw yourself in and feel rich, build yourself > > > > > > > better. You have every right to feel rich (or enriched by your > > > > > > > experiences) without waiting for the world to validate it. But if you go > > > > > > > about it this way, casting around your 'wealth', you will not even be > > > > > > > called Laughable Buddha. Won't then blame Narasimha alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, I ain't doing myself any honour here, saying this. But I have been > > > > > > > dragged in. I was wary of entering upon this group and engaging in your > > > > > > > kind of this and that? I remember I wrote back I would take time to > > > > > > > decide, after you repeatedly implored me to join. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK Daa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are immortals,u have also quickly reacted in a rash to my > > > > > > > expression on boring Geeta, do u really believe Geeta and understand the > > > > > > > message that Krishna has given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He says "Na Jayate Mriyate ....", I dont remember the shloka, I dont > > > > > > > bother to remember, but i know it's meaning and realize it, Krishna has > > > > > > > said the same what i m saying - We are Immortals, As i know, including > > > > > > > you every body is Immortal, I find it very funny when those scholars > > > > > > > writes with their 2 cents - "We mortals". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why ppl dont believe it whereas book shelves of shops are filled with > > > > > > > dozens of versions of Geeta, they write and they read, but where is > > > > > > > realization ? Actually, this is where knowledge doesnt work, you read > > > > > > > geeta one more time and you are yet to realize it, and what you have in > > > > > > > hand, an increased count !! you can tell that you have read it for 50 > > > > > > > times or 100 times....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m trying to put all in the path where you can feel it by experience, > > > > > > > can check it, can verify it and it's very easy, as simple as reading > > > > > > > this mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just feel, if we know it by experience, on what scale our productivity > > > > > > > will increase, how many folds our personality will develop, How much > > > > > > > happiness and success in our endeavors, happiness in our daily life we > > > > > > > w'd get ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, geeta doesnt tell about the process to know how to feel it's > > > > > > > messages in practical day to day life and that's why readers find it > > > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other books, which goes few steps ahead in line of Geeta's > > > > > > > message, but, when i see, those scholars who dont see even a single > > > > > > > shloka of Geeta working in their life are dumping libraries with their > > > > > > > commentaries, I felt bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why to argument in the style of expressions, the manner of talks, see, > > > > > > > I speak and write from the core of the heart, Why i come true ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont mix things, I dont put a film on it, I dont seek any > > > > > > > popularity, do u point to this by saying "Subjective" . I cant adulterate > > > > > > > my expressions to make them artificialy popular or make them > > > > > > > reconizable, You know rains are always welcome and loved then any > > > > > > > artifical drizzling, yea, sometimes i outpour .... !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As i told to you that We have forgoten the language of I, Even Krishna > > > > > > > has spoken in the language of I, I m speaking in the same language, and > > > > > > > after me, whosoever, will walk on the true path of sadhana, will speak > > > > > > > the language of I, I want everybody to rise to the level of speaking the > > > > > > > language of I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls walk on the path of spirituality, do the sadhaana, not for a > > > > > > > longer period, just start it today and continue doing it for a month, > > > > > > > anybody can come to know that I m right and correct as he will come to > > > > > > > know that he is also going in correct direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont appreciate Buddha's path of escapism, his immature vision is > > > > > > > responsible for India's downfall, however, he was the most ambetious man > > > > > > > to spread his religion, what a contrast in speech and action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why to spread a religion - ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I m not an author. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "arkaydash" > > > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've observed you closely, spending some well-purposed time with > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > Narasimha may be amused or bemused, but I'm concerned when I read > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > writings by you here. What you try to outline in these posts from > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > to time leaves me uneasy. From what I make out, you have been > > > > > > > > > living/acting on a plane different from most others, perhaps all > > > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I concede that you are talking pure experience. My fear is that when > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > become so sure of the implications of your inner experiences, there > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > serious mismatches between understandable experiences and set > > > > > > > notions on > > > > > > > > > one hand and, on the other, your subjective accoounts of the jouney > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > your chetnaa, your unfolding. You self-discover and you act along > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > discovery -- the challenge here being where to put up the turnstile > > > > > > > > > between discovery and action, how to sequence the two and then how > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > integrate the two. Is enunciation action, or prelude to action? No > > > > > > > > > action beyond enunciation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have misunderstood you badly in the past. You have not cared to > > > > > > > > > temper your wordings -- which not a few readers here find > > > > > > > outlandish. > > > > > > > > > Therefore, I try to rein you in. You have to go easy with this, not > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > tone and manners that are 'raw immortal'. This is Mrutyu Lok -- > > > > > > > Martya > > > > > > > > > in its Iron Age, according to widely accepted dogma (we mayn't > > > > > > > salute > > > > > > > > > that dogma, but not all dogmas are empty). Your immortal > > > > > > > > > reaching-forward requires a degree of correlation to existings order > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > its limitations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > I wish to share a serious matter of concern, I m very sad about, > > > > > > > In a > > > > > > > > > > mail to brother PV Narsimha in which i listed several discoveries > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > astrology that i did just in play, and i mentioned that I will > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > country to new age, he replied to me - He is amused at my > > > > > > > confidence, > > > > > > > > > > while discussing same with RK Daa, who belongs to top > > > > > > > > > > class intellectual community of india, he also outlined same to me > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > I m truly wounded at these people's mindset, What happened to our > > > > > > > > > > civilization, what happened to our vision and strength ??????? > > > > > > > > > > Has the entire age turned to crowd mentality, the > > > > > > > > > > dignified cowardice approach towards life , And when one says that > > > > > > > > > > he has courage and strength and shows his commitment to bring a > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > > > > for you, mind it for you only, you are amused at ???? > > > > > > > > > > You are intellectuals, you talk about Geeta and Upnsihads, all big > > > > > > > > > > talks, are u talking for the talking sake only, Why, What lacks in > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > that you feel, One's saying that he will do this, makes you feel > > > > > > > > > > it's matter of amusement ? > > > > > > > > > > What difference is there between you and me ? I m as qualified or > > > > > > > > > > learned as you all are, then, why i can speak like this and also > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > my line of talks and you perhaps more experienced in life, thinks > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > is not unreal ? > > > > > > > > > > What is this age in which showing incapability is appreciated? > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > happened to you Indians ? What has made you so negative so > > > > > > > cowardice > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I dont look at outside to find my leader, I myself is my > > > > > > > leader, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > myself is source of my inspiration as i m a complete being, I > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > as sovereignty that the ruler of a country enjoys or in other > > > > > > > > > > terms, that the God itself enjoys, Until and unless God is > > > > > > > supreme, My > > > > > > > > > > liberty is granted, Until and Unless he is almighty, I m powerful > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > derive my strength from him and he is beyond questions. > > > > > > > > > > I wanted you to understand and feel it for you, i not a crooked > > > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > > > rather one who knows and lives what is discovered in our upnishads > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > o > > > > > > > > > > what ground our indian culture is based on. > > > > > > > > > > So, have u entered in a age when you w'd say Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > > you to be "Amritasya's Putrah" - (Immortal Son) was a show of > > > > > > > > > Stupidity > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > I m here to remind you the power you have and to make you feel > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > power within, Yes, I have fought uncountable fights and won all of > > > > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > > > > and I also want you to win all the obstacles you have in ur life > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > mind it, It possible and true !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can overcome all ur karmas and their effect provided you know > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > you are, let me do that this for you as i have done it or doing it > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > me, be free like me !! > > > > > > > > > > regards,Lalit > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Sunita Di, This is exactly what i said to you - How to get answers to our queries ? I looked upon it and asked the God to give u experiences, this is approved by God, After i got the confirmation, Posted reply to ur mail. You asked a question like how is pain or how is happiness ? Unless you feel it, you cant know it. Your Kundalini w'd have to arouse, Let it be happen to you, This i ensure to you, There was a prequisite, you are qualified in that at first place, you have intense desire to know something, and then you are ready for it, not deviating from the question and answer, So, It's bound to happen. I m confirmed at my end therefore i said to you too write back when this happen to you. read my previous post once again. See, why i post about my experience is not to project " Me " but to give u confidence that this can happen to you too as i m no exclusive or special. I dont see any body else in the world who can speak on the basis of experiences, so, i feel there is a need to tell the world Yes, it was possible there in Satya Yuga and it's even pssible in today's age. So, go ahead, tomorrows morning has some gifts for you .. regards, Lalit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Karan <meeshusunita wrote: > > Lalit, this is where I get disappointed with spiritualists. When ever we try to ask questions to indicate some proof, they start pointing towards inner self. > > Why can't intelligence be used to comprehend God, past life, why does it always have to be intution/divinity, which has no answers. > > There is hardly anyone in the ( or may be none) world who can show evidence of immortality , God . > > I am not trying to be negative with your experiences, I am sure you have all the answers, my question is how do I get the answers, how do I explain my children that above listed concepts are true and valid. > > Everyone in spirituality tries to play with words, no one has any concrete answer. > > By initiating this email and arguing here , I am trying to get answers to my questions. My intention is certainly not to hurt anyone or underestimate. I respect you knowledge and divine experiences. They are very precious. > > Regards, > > Sunita > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: > > litsol <mishra.lalit > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: immortality evidence ? > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Friday, May 29, 2009, 11:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Sunita Di, > > > > A memory loss happens in mother's womb, but, that's not fully lost, > > Kids know how to speak, we only train them in our language. > > > > 7'th month in mother's womb plays major role in context of remembering past birth's life. > > > > I want you to experience a sort of something in which you can get answers to your queries, it will happen. > > > > Pls let's know when u urself get answers to ur queries and become confirmed.. answers in real terms. > > > > Hope u will revert soon with ur divine experience. > > > > regards, > > Lalit > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " kapurs " <meeshusunita@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > With this perspective, why don't they know how to talk , remember past life ? > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Sunita > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol " > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Sunita Di, > > > > > > > > Actually it's a matter of experience, A matter of knowing it. > > > > > > > > Pls check when a child is born, he knows how to suckle his mother's milk, how come he knows, it indicates, his past existance, isn't it ? > > > > > > > > See, We have kept our senses bounded to our body, we are packed, it requires a detachment and for that we need to learn the ways of detachment, this is called sadhana, the way those who wants good physic, goes to gym. > > > > > > > > I never ask any body meditate on any thing, I myslef never meditated on maa durga, when my guru said to me to do meditation i denied doing it as i had never seen her, such a meditation could be misleading. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Karan <meeshusunita@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > What's the proof that we are immortal ? I am not looking for answers in meditation, I just want simple and solid evidence to substantiate that we are immortal. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Sunita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 5/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] No laughing matter [Existing order & (Re: A Serious Matter... Immortality !!)] > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > > > Thursday, May 28, 2009, 12:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK Daa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no complexity in this world, things are pretty simple !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's complicated in Geeta or in any Upnishad ... any thing that u could not understand, or ur authors couldn't understand, Pls put here ?? Yes, those who writes commentary on Geeta without realization, It's complex for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, Unless you get experience of Viswa Darshan, You cant imagine it, every sadhaka get's Viswa Darshan, and Krishna becomes a guide to him. What's complexity ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every sadhaka wins his Mahabhrata war, this is what Krishna ensured, He said Arjun to fight, This is what i said ... Courage is the message of Geeta not the negative show of ego called - " Humility " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's humility ? Who recognizes other's humility, that who has mounted ego, that who is narrow minded - Kripan, he seeks humility. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With all ur logic on " What is immortal " and knowledge of " Aarsh Vakyas " , Can u check why u fail to belive ur immortality as Geeta says, isn't it a contrast within ?? There are crores of crores like you who are trapped in pages of books, there are crores and crores of like you who perhapse knows more shlokas then me but couldn't apply one single on their life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is where book reading dont work, Seems, your ego of reading books is getting hurt. See, I tell you what's not immortal, Those who dont remember their immortality are mortals, they die every day ... they compromise every minute they are bounded, they read about liberty but are trapped. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Choice is your's, correct urself, take first step, start doing one mantra for a week itself, you will see, ur vision is changed and you are back to right path. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mind it, Sani has become direct some 12 days back, Check, how negative elements are attacking positivity, This sani is aggrevating many minds, Sani denotes air .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " arkaydash " <arkaydash@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geeta is held to be gospel truth; to wit, arsh vakya of the indubitable > > > > > > > > > > > kind. Doesn't mean there is no light further to it. The logos-ontology > > > > > > > > > > > (being) interface is very complex. There are many things you can't as > > > > > > > > > > > yet conceptualise. (The turnstile process I talked of has flown over you > > > > > > > > > > > head, I'm sure.) What you can't articulate in some way or other is > > > > > > > > > > > non-existent for the rest of the world, unless of course your action > > > > > > > > > > > (rather than disgustingly daring enunciation) takes over. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will have to stop responding to your incoherent solipsism that > > > > > > > > > > > blabbers about your 'spiritual' implosion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But what is not spiritual? By that logic, what is not immortal? Yet, you > > > > > > > > > > > would cast off your sheath one day, you fall prey to delusions now and > > > > > > > > > > > then like most others (like most others?) [the difference is others are > > > > > > > > > > > better self-aware as being part of the collective, being of common > > > > > > > > > > > denomination. That is modesty, that's Negative Capability. The last > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned term is an aesthetic term. Modesty is not an attitude to > > > > > > > > > > > assume. It's a mode of being, Being Sentient. You are a far cry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you can't articulate, what happens? To that extent you are > > > > > > > > > > > 'nirveda'. S0 what-vid would you consider yourself to be? With your > > > > > > > > > > > disdain behind: " And yes, I m not an author " , you would do well not to > > > > > > > > > > > issue edicts from a mere . Just sit down cheek in hand, or > > > > > > > > > > > chin to your chest or look around and be filled with wonderment at this > > > > > > > > > > > complex Creation. The complex world doesn't boggle your mind enough. > > > > > > > > > > > Don't talk of sadhana. It will speak for itself if it needs to be. Its > > > > > > > > > > > effects, I mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please don't require me to validate your siddhi or whatever you think > > > > > > > > > > > you have attained to or are into. Don't get me to say what nobody needs > > > > > > > > > > > to say about another, especially in such matters. I think you will > > > > > > > > > > > meanwhile do yourself immense good if you don't throw yourself on the > > > > > > > > > > > outer, rather than draw yourself in and feel rich, build yourself > > > > > > > > > > > better. You have every right to feel rich (or enriched by your > > > > > > > > > > > experiences) without waiting for the world to validate it. But if you go > > > > > > > > > > > about it this way, casting around your 'wealth', you will not even be > > > > > > > > > > > called Laughable Buddha. Won't then blame Narasimha alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, I ain't doing myself any honour here, saying this. But I have been > > > > > > > > > > > dragged in. I was wary of entering upon this group and engaging in your > > > > > > > > > > > kind of this and that? I remember I wrote back I would take time to > > > > > > > > > > > decide, after you repeatedly implored me to join. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK Daa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are immortals,u have also quickly reacted in a rash to my > > > > > > > > > > > expression on boring Geeta, do u really believe Geeta and understand the > > > > > > > > > > > message that Krishna has given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He says " Na Jayate Mriyate .... " , I dont remember the shloka, I dont > > > > > > > > > > > bother to remember, but i know it's meaning and realize it, Krishna has > > > > > > > > > > > said the same what i m saying - We are Immortals, As i know, including > > > > > > > > > > > you every body is Immortal, I find it very funny when those scholars > > > > > > > > > > > writes with their 2 cents - " We mortals " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why ppl dont believe it whereas book shelves of shops are filled with > > > > > > > > > > > dozens of versions of Geeta, they write and they read, but where is > > > > > > > > > > > realization ? Actually, this is where knowledge doesnt work, you read > > > > > > > > > > > geeta one more time and you are yet to realize it, and what you have in > > > > > > > > > > > hand, an increased count !! you can tell that you have read it for 50 > > > > > > > > > > > times or 100 times....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m trying to put all in the path where you can feel it by experience, > > > > > > > > > > > can check it, can verify it and it's very easy, as simple as reading > > > > > > > > > > > this mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just feel, if we know it by experience, on what scale our productivity > > > > > > > > > > > will increase, how many folds our personality will develop, How much > > > > > > > > > > > happiness and success in our endeavors, happiness in our daily life we > > > > > > > > > > > w'd get ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See, geeta doesnt tell about the process to know how to feel it's > > > > > > > > > > > messages in practical day to day life and that's why readers find it > > > > > > > > > > > boring. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other books, which goes few steps ahead in line of Geeta's > > > > > > > > > > > message, but, when i see, those scholars who dont see even a single > > > > > > > > > > > shloka of Geeta working in their life are dumping libraries with their > > > > > > > > > > > commentaries, I felt bad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why to argument in the style of expressions, the manner of talks, see, > > > > > > > > > > > I speak and write from the core of the heart, Why i come true ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont mix things, I dont put a film on it, I dont seek any > > > > > > > > > > > popularity, do u point to this by saying " Subjective " . I cant adulterate > > > > > > > > > > > my expressions to make them artificialy popular or make them > > > > > > > > > > > reconizable, You know rains are always welcome and loved then any > > > > > > > > > > > artifical drizzling, yea, sometimes i outpour .... !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As i told to you that We have forgoten the language of I, Even Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > has spoken in the language of I, I m speaking in the same language, and > > > > > > > > > > > after me, whosoever, will walk on the true path of sadhana, will speak > > > > > > > > > > > the language of I, I want everybody to rise to the level of speaking the > > > > > > > > > > > language of I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls walk on the path of spirituality, do the sadhaana, not for a > > > > > > > > > > > longer period, just start it today and continue doing it for a month, > > > > > > > > > > > anybody can come to know that I m right and correct as he will come to > > > > > > > > > > > know that he is also going in correct direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I dont appreciate Buddha's path of escapism, his immature vision is > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for India's downfall, however, he was the most ambetious man > > > > > > > > > > > to spread his religion, what a contrast in speech and action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why to spread a religion - ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I m not an author. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " arkaydash " > > > > > > > > > > > arkaydash@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've observed you closely, spending some well-purposed time with > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Narasimha may be amused or bemused, but I'm concerned when I read > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > writings by you here. What you try to outline in these posts from > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > > > to time leaves me uneasy. From what I make out, you have been > > > > > > > > > > > > > living/acting on a plane different from most others, perhaps all > > > > > > > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I concede that you are talking pure experience. My fear is that when > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > become so sure of the implications of your inner experiences, there > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > serious mismatches between understandable experiences and set > > > > > > > > > > > notions on > > > > > > > > > > > > > one hand and, on the other, your subjective accoounts of the jouney > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > your chetnaa, your unfolding. You self-discover and you act along > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > discovery -- the challenge here being where to put up the turnstile > > > > > > > > > > > > > between discovery and action, how to sequence the two and then how > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > integrate the two. Is enunciation action, or prelude to action? No > > > > > > > > > > > > > action beyond enunciation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many have misunderstood you badly in the past. You have not cared to > > > > > > > > > > > > > temper your wordings -- which not a few readers here find > > > > > > > > > > > outlandish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, I try to rein you in. You have to go easy with this, not > > > > > > > > > > > use > > > > > > > > > > > > > tone and manners that are 'raw immortal'. This is Mrutyu Lok -- > > > > > > > > > > > Martya > > > > > > > > > > > > > in its Iron Age, according to widely accepted dogma (we mayn't > > > > > > > > > > > salute > > > > > > > > > > > > > that dogma, but not all dogmas are empty). Your immortal > > > > > > > > > > > > > reaching-forward requires a degree of correlation to existings order > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > its limitations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol " > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wish to share a serious matter of concern, I m very sad about, > > > > > > > > > > > In a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mail to brother PV Narsimha in which i listed several discoveries > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrology that i did just in play, and i mentioned that I will > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > country to new age, he replied to me - He is amused at my > > > > > > > > > > > confidence, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > while discussing same with RK Daa, who belongs to top > > > > > > > > > > > > > > class intellectual community of india, he also outlined same to me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m truly wounded at these people's mindset, What happened to our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > civilization, what happened to our vision and strength ??????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Has the entire age turned to crowd mentality, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dignified cowardice approach towards life , And when one says that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he has courage and strength and shows his commitment to bring a > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > age > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for you, mind it for you only, you are amused at ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are intellectuals, you talk about Geeta and Upnsihads, all big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talks, are u talking for the talking sake only, Why, What lacks in > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you feel, One's saying that he will do this, makes you feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's matter of amusement ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What difference is there between you and me ? I m as qualified or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > learned as you all are, then, why i can speak like this and also > > > > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my line of talks and you perhaps more experienced in life, thinks > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not unreal ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is this age in which showing incapability is appreciated? > > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happened to you Indians ? What has made you so negative so > > > > > > > > > > > cowardice > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I dont look at outside to find my leader, I myself is my > > > > > > > > > > > leader, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > myself is source of my inspiration as i m a complete being, I > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as sovereignty that the ruler of a country enjoys or in other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > terms, that the God itself enjoys, Until and unless God is > > > > > > > > > > > supreme, My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > liberty is granted, Until and Unless he is almighty, I m powerful > > > > > > > > > > > as i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > derive my strength from him and he is beyond questions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted you to understand and feel it for you, i not a crooked > > > > > > > > > > > one, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rather one who knows and lives what is discovered in our upnishads > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > o > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what ground our indian culture is based on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, have u entered in a age when you w'd say Vivekananda' s > > > > > > > > > > > addressing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you to be " Amritasya's Putrah " - (Immortal Son) was a show of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stupidity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m here to remind you the power you have and to make you feel > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power within, Yes, I have fought uncountable fights and won all of > > > > > > > > > > > > > them, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and I also want you to win all the obstacles you have in ur life > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mind it, It possible and true !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can overcome all ur karmas and their effect provided you know > > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are, let me do that this for you as i have done it or doing it > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, be free like me !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards,Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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