Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction !!

October 2, 2009

Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,

A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's

chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor

of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent

opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of

Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100

yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar

Lagna chart.

This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami

Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a

selfish nations.

In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami

Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in

Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna

but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.

I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating

things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only

manipulations.

regards,

Lalit

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on

that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu

lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles

and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft : A

Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I

decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.

However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting

the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is

having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In

fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda's accepted chart to

bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to

Prof Rao.

>

> I m partly successful.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to

Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of

Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.

> >

> > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of

lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was

long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father

and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but

the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is

also aspected by Mars.

> >

> > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his

parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did

not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though

the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm

the physical body of mother.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft :

A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in

ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take

9'th as father's house.

> >

> > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.

> > >

> > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is

conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's

longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.

> > >

> > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its

dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus

in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the

8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also

under aspect of Mars.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft

: A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > >

> > > Sir,

> > >

> > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's

life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and

placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no

affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto

50, he died at 48 yrs of age.

> > >

> > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open

?

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun

in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident

person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to

find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the

year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in

those days.

> > > >

> > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection

with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my

times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to

justify one's interpretation of a chart.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's

Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete

answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda's

life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

" Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by

6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard

time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's

Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of

swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this

time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also

confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,

Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo

wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made

swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify

swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started

deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their

intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,

what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because

of a printing mistake in BVR's book.

> > > > >

> > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and

essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.

> > > > >

> > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who

dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for

brother narsimha it should be a learning.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Vattem

Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,

> > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the

two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in

Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th

lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.

> > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when

considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami

Vivekanand Life and his preachings .

> > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in

jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect

the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy

Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.

> > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various

bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of

Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if

not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled

evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides

light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can

boast of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Swami Vivekananda's

Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath

Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin

with photograph of geat mother.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my

knowledge. " Vivekana nda

> > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33

a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti

festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and

religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give

her a son.

> > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri

Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart

in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with

Saurabh our group member at his laptop.

> > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami

ji's family back ground :

> > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an

attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life

time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,

the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a

state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange

and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur

lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's

death and extraveganza ???

> > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in

dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his

early death.

> > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart

you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th

house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology

classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what

you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?

> > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed

in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly

signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.

> > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad

financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to

3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon

in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states

death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a

reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few

months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.

Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there

inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology

means study of the version of BPHS available to them.

> > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th

lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars

in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is

true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a

clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he

studied - " History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other

subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,

Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.

> > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic

astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?

> > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th

lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of

litertature, arts and music.

> > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no

supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna

chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and

6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known

configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another

aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical

excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th

house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.

> > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru

Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One

of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna

chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in

Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic

achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for

materialistic lust.

> > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th

lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,

furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna

makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord

Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it

get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.

Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in

spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,

example is Osho.

> > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th

house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini

awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within

before making an expresion.

> > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's

period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house

of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th

lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the

form of vedanta.

> > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with

such a world tour and lectures.

> > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was

Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also

happened in Rahu's period.

> > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a

clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,

Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami

Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has

gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,

this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in

Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their

ability to read and understand a chart.

> > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars

the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn

which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a

son of divine mother Kali.

> > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when

you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur

clients and to peer astrologers ?????

> > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord

Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the

Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor

like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark

in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with

dhanu lagna.

> > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a

saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,

where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?

> > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in

4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire

of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from

10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's

interchange in 9'th and lagna.

> > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.

> > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,

published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of

dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book

on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in

Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu

lagna chart.

> > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha

and everybody else.

> > > > > > regards and best wishes !!

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lalit Mishra

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol "

<mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha

hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of

astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,

whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,

believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust

the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha

innocently gone for 2nd option.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365

day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was

reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct

2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great

research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari

dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to

readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,

23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to

commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.

> > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i

get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep

under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is

main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th

house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,

mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's

approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.

Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of

predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only

lahiri ayanamsa -

> > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good

satisfactory rains.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search

posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes

to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots

are on strike.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly

soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn

conjunction.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us

to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit

according to lahiri ayanamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology

groups.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary

aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes

for some other articles.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known

and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do

count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term

scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases

how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he

had done.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha &

other's on Vivekananda

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -

use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never

explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and

morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or

desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri

Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 2, 2009

Dear Lalit,

I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on "Journal of Astrology" makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction !!

Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji'schart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editorof Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independentopinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance ofDhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to MakarLagna chart.This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of SwamiJi, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are aselfish nations.In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in SwamiJi's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death inJup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagnabut remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilatingthings to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know onlymanipulations.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,>> I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ onthat account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanulagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principlesand also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.>> Take care,> Chandrashekhar.>>> -> litsol> Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft : AComparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!>>> Dear Sir,>> I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, Idecided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supportingthe makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he ishaving with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, Infact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda's accepted chart tobring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection toProf Rao.>> I m partly successful.>> regards,> Lalit.>> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish toChandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting ofLagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.> >> > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord oflagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother waslong-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for fatherand also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong butthe 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor isalso aspected by Mars.> >> > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with hisparents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he didnot have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, thoughthe 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harmthe physical body of mother.> >> >> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> > -> > litsol> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft :A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> >> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family inultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take9'th as father's house.> >> > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.> > >> > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still isconjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother'slongevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.> > >> > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and itsdispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venusin house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is alsounder aspect of Mars.> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar> > >> > >> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft: A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > >> > >> > > Sir,> > >> > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother'slife span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn andplacement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has noaffliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto50, he died at 48 yrs of age.> > >> > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open?> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sunin Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confidentperson who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try tofind out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around theyear 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term inthose days.> > > >> > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connectionwith events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In mytimes I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years tojustify one's interpretation of a chart.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda'sCharft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concreteanswers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda'slife, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,"Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standardtime was used not only then but for some time after independence too.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda'sCharft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time ofswami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took thistime fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia alsoconfims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horowth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never madeswami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justifyswami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently startedderiving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase theirintelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just becauseof a printing mistake in BVR's book.> > > > >> > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth andessence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.> > > > >> > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those whodont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and forbrother narsimha it should be a learning.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Lalit> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , VattemKrishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,> > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of thetwo lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars inMakara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5thlord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.> > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 whenconsidered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri SwamiVivekanand Life and his preachings .> > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues injyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflectthe life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of SwamyVivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.> > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how variousbhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life ofSwamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece ifnot by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilledevry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provideslight on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country canboast of> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services> > > > > > (For all counseling services)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@>> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Swami Vivekananda'sCharft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra NathDatt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We beginwith photograph of geat mother.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).> > > > > > "I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of myknowledge."Vivekana nda> > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankrantifestival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father VishwanathDatta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was consideredgenerous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social andreligious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and hadpracticed austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to giveher a son.> > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying LahiriAyanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chartin Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked withSaurabh our group member at his laptop.> > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swamiji's family back ground :> > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was anattorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his lifetime, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagnaitself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, astate in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challangeand open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanurlagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father'sdeath and extraveganza ???> > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house indhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as hisearly death.> > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chartyou get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'thhouse, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrologyclassic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, whatyou understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?> > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placedin 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearlysignifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.> > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a badfinancial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moonin 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly statesdeath of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always areason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within fewmonths of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is thereinadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrologymeans study of the version of BPHS available to them.> > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'thlord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Marsin 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this istrue, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in aclear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, hestudied - "History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and othersubjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal andinstrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.> > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedicastrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?> > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'thlord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education oflitertature, arts and music.> > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get nosupportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagnachart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well knownconfiguration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has anotheraspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physicalexcercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'thhouse aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.> > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guruThakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( Oneof great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagnachart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, inDhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialisticachievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust formaterialistic lust.> > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'thlord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagnamakes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lordSaturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There itget's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role inspiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,example is Osho.> > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'thhouse, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundaliniawakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look withinbefore making an expresion.> > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup'speriod, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th houseof karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'thlordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in theform of vedanta.> > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection withsuch a world tour and lectures.> > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it wasRahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death alsohappened in Rahu's period.> > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get aclear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and SwamiJi's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury hasgone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). HowIndian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy inSwami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in theirability to read and understand a chart.> > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Marsthe 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturnwhich is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him ason of divine mother Kali.> > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, whenyou find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to urclients and to peer astrologers ?????> > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lordMerc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him abusiness man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) theLagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperorlike Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question markin abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born withdhanu lagna.> > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda asaint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?> > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fireof kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord'sinterchange in 9'th and lagna.> > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.> > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference ofdhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a bookon Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages inSwami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanulagna chart.> > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimhaand everybody else.> > > > > > regards and best wishes !!> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"<mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimhahve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help ofastrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjustthe astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimhainnocently gone for 2nd option.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i wasreading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a greatresearch, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottaridasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading toreaders particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried tocommit suicide next day 21st jan 97.> > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, iget pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deepunder the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence ismain reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8thhouse puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao'sapproach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy ofpredictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used onlylahiri ayanamsa -> > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, goodsatisfactory rains.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, searchposting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikesto return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilotsare on strike.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendlysoft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturnconjunction.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, usto not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transitaccording to lahiri ayanamsa.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrologygroups.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetaryaspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologesfor some other articles.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well knownand B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they docount a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long termscale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's caseshow abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study hehad done.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & other's on Vivekananda> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd neverexplan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood andmorever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries ordesciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - SriHanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 2, 2009

Dear Sir,

Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has given

data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, The chart is

failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.

So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of seasoned

astrologers.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on " Journal of Astrology "

makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body

fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without

any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart

Correction !!

>

> Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,

>

> A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's

> chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor

> of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent

> opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of

> Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100

> yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar

> Lagna chart.

>

> This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami

> Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a

> selfish nations.

>

> In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami

> Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in

> Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna

> but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.

>

> I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating

> things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only

> manipulations.

>

> regards,

> Lalit

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on

> that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu

> lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles

> and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft : A

> Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I

> decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.

> However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting

> the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is

> having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In

> fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda's accepted chart to

> bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to

> Prof Rao.

> >

> > I m partly successful.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to

> Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of

> Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.

> > >

> > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of

> lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was

> long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father

> and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but

> the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is

> also aspected by Mars.

> > >

> > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his

> parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did

> not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though

> the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm

> the physical body of mother.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft :

> A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in

> ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take

> 9'th as father's house.

> > >

> > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.

> > > >

> > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is

> conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's

> longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.

> > > >

> > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its

> dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus

> in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the

> 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also

> under aspect of Mars.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft

> : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > >

> > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's

> life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and

> placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no

> affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto

> 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.

> > > >

> > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open

> ?

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun

> in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident

> person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to

> find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the

> year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in

> those days.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection

> with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my

> times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to

> justify one's interpretation of a chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's

> Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete

> answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda's

> life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by

> 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard

> time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's

> Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of

> swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this

> time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also

> confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,

> Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo

> wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made

> swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify

> swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started

> deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their

> intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,

> what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because

> of a printing mistake in BVR's book.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and

> essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who

> dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for

> brother narsimha it should be a learning.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Vattem

> Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,

> > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the

> two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in

> Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th

> lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.

> > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when

> considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami

> Vivekanand Life and his preachings .

> > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in

> jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect

> the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy

> Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.

> > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various

> bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of

> Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if

> not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled

> evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides

> light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can

> boast of

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Swami Vivekananda's

> Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath

> Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin

> with photograph of geat mother.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my

> knowledge. " Vivekana nda

> > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33

> a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti

> festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

> generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and

> religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

> practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give

> her a son.

> > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri

> Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart

> in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with

> Saurabh our group member at his laptop.

> > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami

> ji's family back ground :

> > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an

> attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life

> time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,

> the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a

> state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange

> and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur

> lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's

> death and extraveganza ???

> > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in

> dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his

> early death.

> > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart

> you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th

> house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology

> classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what

> you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?

> > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed

> in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly

> signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.

> > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad

> financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to

> 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon

> in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states

> death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a

> reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few

> months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.

> Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there

> inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology

> means study of the version of BPHS available to them.

> > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th

> lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars

> in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is

> true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a

> clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he

> studied - " History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other

> subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,

> Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.

> > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic

> astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?

> > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th

> lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of

> litertature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no

> supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna

> chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and

> 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known

> configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another

> aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical

> excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th

> house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.

> > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru

> Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One

> of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna

> chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in

> Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for

> materialistic lust.

> > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th

> lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,

> furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna

> makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord

> Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it

> get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.

> Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in

> spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,

> example is Osho.

> > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th

> house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini

> awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within

> before making an expresion.

> > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's

> period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house

> of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th

> lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the

> form of vedanta.

> > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with

> such a world tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was

> Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also

> happened in Rahu's period.

> > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a

> clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,

> Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami

> Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has

> gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,

> this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in

> Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their

> ability to read and understand a chart.

> > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars

> the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn

> which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a

> son of divine mother Kali.

> > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when

> you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur

> clients and to peer astrologers ?????

> > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord

> Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the

> Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor

> like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark

> in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with

> dhanu lagna.

> > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a

> saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,

> where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?

> > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in

> 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire

> of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from

> 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's

> interchange in 9'th and lagna.

> > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.

> > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,

> published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of

> dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book

> on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in

> Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu

> lagna chart.

> > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha

> and everybody else.

> > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol "

> <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha

> hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of

> astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,

> whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,

> believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust

> the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha

> innocently gone for 2nd option.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365

> day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was

> reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct

> 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great

> research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari

> dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to

> readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,

> 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to

> commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.

> > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i

> get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep

> under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is

> main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th

> house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,

> mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's

> approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.

> Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of

> predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only

> lahiri ayanamsa -

> > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good

> satisfactory rains.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search

> posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes

> to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots

> are on strike.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly

> soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn

> conjunction.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us

> to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit

> according to lahiri ayanamsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology

> groups.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary

> aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes

> for some other articles.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

> Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known

> and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do

> count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term

> scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases

> how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he

> had done.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM

> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha &

> other's on Vivekananda

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -

> use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never

> explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and

> morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or

> desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri

> Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 3, 2009

Dear Sirs,

I agree with Shri Chandrasekhar ji that birth time rectifications have no sound logic.In the case shri vivekanand ji what ever data as it exits is more relevant than amending it

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

--- On Fri, 10/2/09, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekharRe: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction !!Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 1:44 PM

Dear Lalit,

I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on "Journal of Astrology" makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM

[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!

Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji'schart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editorof Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independentopinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance ofDhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to MakarLagna chart.This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of SwamiJi, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are aselfish nations.In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in SwamiJi's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death inJup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagnabut remained open to support Makar Lagna

placements.I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilatingthings to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know onlymanipulations.regards,LalitVedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashek har wrote:>> Dear Lalit,>> I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ onthat account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanulagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principlesand also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.>> Take care,> Chandrashekhar.>>> ->

litsol> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft : AComparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!>>> Dear Sir,>> I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, Idecided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supportingthe makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he ishaving with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, Infact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart tobring him back to correct path and to give a

chance of introspection toProf Rao.>> I m partly successful.>> regards,> Lalit.>> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish toChandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting ofLagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.> >> > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord oflagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother waslong-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for fatherand also lord of the 9th

indicating the father is by itself strong butthe 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor isalso aspected by Mars.> >> > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with hisparents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he didnot have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, thoughthe 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harmthe physical body of mother.> >> >> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> > -> > litsol> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38

AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft :A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> >> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family inultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take9'th as father's house.> >> > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > I do not want to start an argument

that leads nowhere.> > >> > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still isconjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother'slongevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.> > >> > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and itsdispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venusin house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is alsounder aspect of Mars.> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar> > >> > >> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft: A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > >> > >> > > Sir,> > >> > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother'slife span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn andplacement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has noaffliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto50, he died at 48 yrs of age.> > >> > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open?> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"<sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sunin Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confidentperson who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try tofind out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around theyear 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term inthose days.> > > >> > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connectionwith events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In mytimes I have seen

birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years tojustify one's interpretation of a chart.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' sCharft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd

seek concreteanswers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' slife, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,"Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standardtime was used not only then but for some time after independence too.> > > > >> >

> > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' sCharft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > >

> It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time ofswami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took thistime fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia alsoconfims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horowth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never madeswami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justifyswami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently startedderiving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase theirintelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just becauseof a printing mistake in BVR's book.> > > > >> > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth andessence. Pls.

cross check wth notable horoscopes.> > > > >> > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those whodont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and forbrother narsimha it should be a learning.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Lalit> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, VattemKrishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,> > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of thetwo lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars inMakara

natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5thlord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.> > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 whenconsidered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri SwamiVivekanand Life and his preachings .> > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues injyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflectthe life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of SwamyVivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.> > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how variousbhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life ofSwamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece ifnot by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilledevry one of us and His School of

Thoughts of Hindu Religions provideslight on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country canboast of> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services> > > > > > (For all counseling services)> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ >> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda' sCharft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra NathDatt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We beginwith photograph of geat mother.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).> > > > > > "I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of myknowledge."Vivekana

nda> > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankrantifestival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father VishwanathDatta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was consideredgenerous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social andreligious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and hadpracticed austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to giveher a son.> > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying LahiriAyanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chartin Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked withSaurabh our group member at his laptop.> > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swamiji's family back ground :> > > > > > 1.

Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was anattorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his lifetime, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagnaitself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, astate in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challangeand open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanurlagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father'sdeath and extraveganza ???> > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house indhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as hisearly death.> > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chartyou get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'thhouse, which is 8'th

from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrologyclassic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, whatyou understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?> > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placedin 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearlysignifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.> > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a badfinancial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moonin 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly statesdeath of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always areason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within fewmonths of her birth,

You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is thereinadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrologymeans study of the version of BPHS available to them.> > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'thlord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Marsin 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this istrue, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in aclear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, hestudied - "History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and othersubjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal andinstrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.> > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by

indian vedicastrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?> > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'thlord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education oflitertature, arts and music.> > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get nosupportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagnachart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well knownconfiguration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has anotheraspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physicalexcercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'thhouse aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.> > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guruThakur Ramakrishna

Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( Oneof great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagnachart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, inDhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialisticachievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust formaterialistic lust.> > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'thlord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagnamakes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lordSaturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There itget's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role inspiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of

mysticism,example is Osho.> > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'thhouse, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundaliniawakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look withinbefore making an expresion.> > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup'speriod, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th houseof karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'thlordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in theform of vedanta.> > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection withsuch a world tour and lectures.> > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it wasRahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death alsohappened in Rahu's period.> >

> > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get aclear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and SwamiJi's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury hasgone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). HowIndian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy inSwami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in theirability to read and understand a chart.> > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Marsthe 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturnwhich is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him ason of divine mother Kali.> > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs

Renunciation : Can you answer, whenyou find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to urclients and to peer astrologers ?????> > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lordMerc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him abusiness man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) theLagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperorlike Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question markin abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born withdhanu lagna.> > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda asaint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?> > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush

Yoga, generating the divine serpent fireof kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord'sinterchange in 9'th and lagna.> > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.> > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference ofdhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a bookon Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages inSwami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanulagna chart.> > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimhaand everybody else.> > > > > > regards and best wishes !!> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Lalit

Mishra> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"<mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimhahve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help ofastrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjustthe astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimhainnocently

gone for 2nd option.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i wasreading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a greatresearch, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottaridasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading toreaders particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried tocommit suicide next day 21st jan 97.> > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, iget pain to see he is going off track, i told him

to not to so deepunder the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence ismain reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8thhouse puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao'sapproach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy ofpredictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used onlylahiri ayanamsa -> > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, goodsatisfactory rains.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, searchposting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age

of strikesto return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilotsare on strike.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendlysoft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturnconjunction.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, usto not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transitaccording to lahiri ayanamsa.> > > > > >

>> > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrologygroups.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetaryaspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologesfor some other articles.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's

chart of Dhanur Lagna is well knownand B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they docount a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long termscale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's caseshow abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study hehad done.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > >

Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & other's on Vivekananda> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd neverexplan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood andmorever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries ordesciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - SriHanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > >

> > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 3, 2009

Sir,

Such problems/issue often are very common as the data of luminaries including Shri A.b.Vajapayee ji,the lattest case.where mant Astrologer filed in many ways.But question still pertinent however is study of these chart does it serve any purpose/it can be used only as an exercise for learning .Not otherwise.

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litsol <mishra.lalit[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction !!Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Friday, October 2, 2009, 4:05 PM

Dear Sir,Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, The chart is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of seasoned astrologers.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on "Journal of Astrology" makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only

appears to be one of them.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,> > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's> chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor> of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent> opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of> Dhanu

Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100> yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar> Lagna chart.> > This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami> Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a> selfish nations.> > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami> Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in> Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna> but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.> > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating> things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only> manipulations.> > regards,> Lalit> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on> that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu> lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles> and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> >> > -> > litsol> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft : A> Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> >> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I> decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.> However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting> the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is> having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In> fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart to> bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to> Prof Rao.> >> > I m

partly successful.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to> Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of> Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.> > >> > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of> lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was> long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father> and

also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but> the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is> also aspected by Mars.> > >> > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his> parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did> not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though> the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm> the physical body of mother.> > >> > >> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft :> A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > >> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > >> > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in> ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take> 9'th as father's house.> > >> > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.> > > >> > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is> conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's> longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.> > > >> > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its> dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus> in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the> 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also> under aspect of Mars.> > >

>> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft> : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > >> > > >> > > > Sir,> > > >> > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's> life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and>

placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no> affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto> 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.> > > >> > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open> ?> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun> in Lagna does not indicate

long living father but a very confident> person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to> find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the> year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in> those days.> > > > >> > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection> with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my> times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to> justify one's interpretation of a chart.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete> answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' s> life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by> 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard> time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >

> >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of> swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we

took this> time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also> confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,> Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo> wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made> swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify> swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started> deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their> intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,> what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because> of a printing mistake in BVR's book.> > > > > >> > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and> essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.> > > > >

>> > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who> dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for> brother narsimha it should be a learning.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Vattem> Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,> > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the> two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars

in> Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th> lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.> > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when> considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami> Vivekanand Life and his preachings .> > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in> jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect> the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy> Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.> > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various> bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of> Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if> not by way of analysis vedic

sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled> evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides> light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can> boast of> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ >> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda' s> Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others

!!> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath> Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin> with photograph of geat mother.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >

> > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).> > > > > > > "I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my> knowledge."Vivekana nda> > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33> a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti> festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath> Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered> generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and> religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had> practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give> her a son.> > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri> Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5

degrees, I made swami ji's chart> in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with> Saurabh our group member at his laptop.> > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami> ji's family back ground :> > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an> attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life> time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,> the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna> itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a> state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange> and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur> lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's> death and extraveganza

???> > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in> dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his> early death.> > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart> you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th> house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology> classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what> you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?> > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed> in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly> signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.> > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad> financial condition, with

Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to> 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon> in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states> death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a> reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,> aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few> months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.> Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there> inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology> means study of the version of BPHS available to them.> > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th> lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars> in 5'th house what sort of education gives ?

Ask yourself ? If this is> true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a> clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he> studied - "History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other> subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and> instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,> Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.> > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic> astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?> > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th> lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of> litertature, arts and music.> > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no> supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with

Makar lagna> chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and> 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known> configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another> aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical> excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th> house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.> > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru> Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One> of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna> chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in> Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic> achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for>

materialistic lust.> > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th> lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,> furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna> makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord> Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it> get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.> Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in> spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,> example is Osho.> > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th> house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini> awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within> before making an

expresion.> > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's> period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house> of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th> lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the> form of vedanta.> > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with> such a world tour and lectures.> > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was> Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also> happened in Rahu's period.> > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a> clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,> Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and

Swami> Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has> gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,> this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How> Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in> Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their> ability to read and understand a chart.> > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars> the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn> which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a> son of divine mother Kali.> > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when> you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur> clients and to peer astrologers ?????>

> > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord> Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a> business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the> Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor> like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark> in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with> dhanu lagna.> > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a> saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,> where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?> > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in> 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire> of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note

Jup aspect this mars from> 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's> interchange in 9'th and lagna.> > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.> > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,> published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of> dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book> on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in> Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu> lagna chart.> > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha> and everybody else.> > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra> > >

> > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"> <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha> hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of> astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,> whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,> believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust> the astrology

tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha> innocently gone for 2nd option.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365> day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was> reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct> 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great> research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari> dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to> readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,> 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to> commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.> > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.> > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i> get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep> under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is> main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th> house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,> mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's> approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.> Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of> predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only> lahiri ayanamsa -> > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good> satisfactory rains.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and

again on 12th aup, search> posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes> to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots> are on strike.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly> soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn> conjunction.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us>

to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit> according to lahiri ayanamsa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology> groups.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary> aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes> for some other articles.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known> and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do> count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term> scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases> how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he> had done.> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & > other's on Vivekananda> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -> use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never> explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he

has not understood and> morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or> desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri> Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 3, 2009

Dear Sir,

Aparently there is as such no gains out of it, other then a feeling of

homage to Swami Vivekananda, who spread spirit of freedom in a sleeping

India.

When brother PVR Narsimha looked to moving away, I thought time has come

for an intervention, He is one of the brightest star and a noble soul,

but the challange for me is, I have no recognition in Jyotish, so, why

he should hear me and I couldn't allow him going astray, So, I thought

it's good to come up with Swami Ji's horoscope.

I feel that in his last birth, Narsimha was a follower of Thakur and

Vivekananda, So, without having a scond that people will make my fun, I

plunged into this drive. Next is, I was working on what makes a person

renowned and respected after the death, the after death glory and I

have discovered that.

I also wanted to break the myth that Prof Rao is living with that only

he has capability to foresee future, No, I wanted to let him know that

India has talent out of Bharati Bhavan also, It's required for this

great soul so that he can leave from the world in peace and pleasure

that his legecy will continue ......

Swami Vivekanada was not very lucky, He was too worried on the success

of his mission, he was criticised more then I usually get criticized, he

was called mad, In his last time also, he was almost in aloofness, then

one day, he decided to leave the world when mother divine shown him

that she is doing a leela, he himself chosen the date of leaving the

world, in a calander hanging on the wall, the date of his death was

found encircled.

I can be asked, why i m doing all this, what's the purpose, purpose is

to make a board of indian vedic jyotish which can standardize best and

authentic practices as in the coming future, only Jyotish, will be there

to hold hindu religion and culture, the time ahead is not very

optoimistic with the advancement of Kali Yuga, there will be increased

pressure on people for the survival, which can make them narrowing down

their sensibility, humanity might get dominated by beasty instincts that

we have in ourselves, therefore, Jyotish needs to be made crisp and

accurate.

All my effort is for removal of ambiguity on application of some

principles and filtering out controversial beliefs, but, I have no

recognision so they will not listen to me, so, I sent them some 5-6

predictions in a manner their subconcious can get a hit.

This is the crux of everything.

regards,

Lalit.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Sir,

> Such problems/issue often are very common as the data of luminaries

including Shri A.b.Vajapayee ji,the lattest case.where mant Astrologer

filed in many ways.But question still pertinent however is study of

these chart does it serve any purpose/it can be used only as an exercise

for learning .Not otherwise.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

>

> --- On Fri, 10/2/09, litsol mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> litsol mishra.lalit

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Success on Drive for

Vivekananda's Chart Correction !!

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Friday, October 2, 2009, 4:05 PM

Dear Sir,

>

> Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR

has given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and

moreover, The chart is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.

>

> So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of

seasoned astrologers.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on " Journal of

Astrology " makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and

swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of

rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears

to be one of them.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for

Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!

> >

> > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,

> >

> > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's

> > chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an

editor

> > of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish

independent

> > opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance

of

> > Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on

100

> > yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to

Makar

> > Lagna chart.

> >

> > This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of

Swami

> > Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a

> > selfish nations.

> >

> > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in

Swami

> > Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death

in

> > Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu

lagna

> > but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.

> >

> > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid

humilating

> > things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know

only

> > manipulations.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I

differ on

> > that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu

> > lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish

principles

> > and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s

Charft : A

> > Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I

> > decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal

ground.

> > However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is

supporting

> > the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is

> > having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong

way, In

> > fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart

to

> > bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection

to

> > Prof Rao.

> > >

> > > I m partly successful.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

" Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the

blemish to

> > Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting

of

> > Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.

> > > >

> > > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord

of

> > lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was

> > long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for

father

> > and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong

but

> > the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its

dispositor is

> > also aspected by Mars.

> > > >

> > > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his

> > parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he

did

> > not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra,

though

> > the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to

harm

> > the physical body of mother.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s

Charft :

> > A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in

> > ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take

> > 9'th as father's house.

> > > >

> > > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

" Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.

> > > > >

> > > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is

> > conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's

> > longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its

> > dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong

Venus

> > in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas

the

> > 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also

> > under aspect of Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s

Charft

> > : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his

Mother's

> > life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and

> > placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no

> > affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live

upto

> > 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are

open

> > ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

" Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed.

Sun

> > in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident

> > person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try

to

> > find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around

the

> > year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term

in

> > those days.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of

connection

> > with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In

my

> > times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to

> > justify one's interpretation of a chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda'

s

> > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete

> > answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' s

> > life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's

death.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

> > " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant

by

> > 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not

standard

> > time was used not only then but for some time after independence

too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami

Vivekananda' s

> > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time

of

> > swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took

this

> > time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia

also

> > confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,

> > Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a

horo

> > wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never

made

> > swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to

justify

> > swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started

> > deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their

> > intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,

> > what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just

because

> > of a printing mistake in BVR's book.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth

and

> > essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those

who

> > dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for

> > brother narsimha it should be a learning.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Vattem

> > Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,

> > > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of

the

> > two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in

> > Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as

5th

> > lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.

> > > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when

> > considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri

Swami

> > Vivekanand Life and his preachings .

> > > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial

issues in

> > jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon

reflect

> > the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of

Swamy

> > Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.

> > > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how

various

> > bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life

of

> > Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece

if

> > not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and

thrilled

> > evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions

provides

> > light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country

can

> > boast of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ >

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda'

s

> > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra

Nath

> > Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We

begin

> > with photograph of geat mother.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my

> > knowledge. " Vivekana nda

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at

6:33

> > a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti

> > festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father

Vishwanath

> > Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

> > generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and

> > religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

> > practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to

give

> > her a son.

> > > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri

> > Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's

chart

> > in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked

with

> > Saurabh our group member at his laptop.

> > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with

swami

> > ji's family back ground :

> > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an

> > attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his

life

> > time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get

Sun,

> > the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state,

a

> > state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is

challange

> > and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates

dhanur

> > lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's

> > death and extraveganza ???

> > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house

in

> > dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his

> > early death.

> > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna

chart

> > you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th

> > house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology

> > classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence,

what

> > you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?

> > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars

placed

> > in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this

clearly

> > signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.

> > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a

bad

> > financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction

to

> > 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct

moon

> > in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly

states

> > death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is

always a

> > reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th

house,

> > aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within

few

> > months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora

Prakash.

> > Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there

> > inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic

astrology

> > means study of the version of BPHS available to them.

> > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as

5'th

> > lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house,

Mars

> > in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this

is

> > true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics,

in a

> > clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he

> > studied - " History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other

> > subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> > instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two

Ustads,

> > Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.

> > > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic

> > astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?

> > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and

10'th

> > lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education

of

> > litertature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no

> > supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar

lagna

> > chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and

> > 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known

> > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another

> > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical

> > excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from

9'th

> > house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.

> > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru

> > Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi (

One

> > of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna

> > chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in

> > Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to

materialistic

> > achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for

> > materialistic lust.

> > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and

9'th

> > lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,

> > furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in

lagna

> > makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord

> > Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it

> > get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual

chart.

> > Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in

> > spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of

mysticism,

> > example is Osho.

> > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in

5'th

> > house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to

kundalini

> > awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look

within

> > before making an expresion.

> > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's

> > period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th

house

> > of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of

12'th

> > lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in

the

> > form of vedanta.

> > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection

with

> > such a world tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was

> > Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also

> > happened in Rahu's period.

> > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You

get a

> > clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to

polygamy,

> > Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami

> > Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury

has

> > gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women,

morever,

> > this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana).

How

> > Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy

in

> > Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their

> > ability to read and understand a chart.

> > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart,

Mars

> > the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts

Saturn

> > which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him

a

> > son of divine mother Kali.

> > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer,

when

> > you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur

> > clients and to peer astrologers ?????

> > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th

lord

> > Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> > business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the

> > Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business

emperor

> > like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question

mark

> > in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born

with

> > dhanu lagna.

> > > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda

a

> > saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a

sage,

> > where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?

> > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and

Mars in

> > 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent

fire

> > of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars

from

> > 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th

lord's

> > interchange in 9'th and lagna.

> > > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.

> > > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of

Astrology,

> > published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the

difference of

> > dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a

book

> > on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in

> > Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in

dhanu

> > lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother

Narsimha

> > and everybody else.

> > > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

" litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother

narsimha

> > hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help

of

> > astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,

> > whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,

> > believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or

adjust

> > the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha

> > innocently gone for 2nd option.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365

> > day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was

> > reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's

oct

> > 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great

> > research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and

vimshottari

> > dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to

> > readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,

> > 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried

to

> > commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.

> > > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped

me, i

> > get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep

> > under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence

is

> > main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated

8th

> > house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,

> > mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's

> > approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far

better.

> > Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of

> > predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only

> > lahiri ayanamsa -

> > > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug,

good

> > satisfactory rains.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup,

search

> > posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of

strikes

> > to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india

pilots

> > are on strike.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social

friendly

> > soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun -

saturn

> > conjunction.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come

back, us

> > to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun -

july.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and

transit

> > according to lahiri ayanamsa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology

> > groups.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary

> > aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known

astrologes

> > for some other articles.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

> > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well

known

> > and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they

do

> > count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long

term

> > scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's

cases

> > how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case

study he

> > had done.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha &

> > other's on Vivekananda

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction

-

> > use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd

never

> > explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood

and

> > morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries

or

> > desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri

> > Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

October 3, 2009

Dear Lalit,

If data is suspect then even Makara chart is suspect, is that not so? Then why insist for Makara?

I think most of the people of India who are more than 50 years of age know that only LMT was used in India even for many years after independence. So LMT tag is not a figment of imagination but tag of fact which may be found inconvenient by some.

Whether a chart fails to explain life of swamiji is dependent upon how one looks at the chart and application of principles.

If one applies numbers of days for a year which were not in existence when the science was formulated and still wants to say that its duration is proven, and then by applying those parameters a chart is tried to be shown to be wrong, nothing further can be said on such attitude.

This is the reason I did not want to comment as fruitless and one sided declaration of something having been prove does not lead to addition to the knowledge of Vedic astrology.

Take care,

Chandrashekhar.

-

litsol

Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:35 AM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction !!

Dear Sir,Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, The chart is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of seasoned astrologers.regards,Lalit.Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Lalit,> > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on "Journal of Astrology" makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> > - > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction !!> > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,> > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's> chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor> of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent> opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of> Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100> yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar> Lagna chart.> > This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami> Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a> selfish nations.> > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami> Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in> Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna> but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.> > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating> things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only> manipulations.> > regards,> Lalit> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> >> > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on> that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu> lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles> and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.> >> > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> >> >> > -> > litsol> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft : A> Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> >> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I> decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.> However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting> the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is> having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In> fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda's accepted chart to> bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to> Prof Rao.> >> > I m partly successful.> >> > regards,> > Lalit.> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > >> > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to> Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of> Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.> > >> > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of> lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was> long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father> and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but> the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is> also aspected by Mars.> > >> > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his> parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did> not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though> the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm> the physical body of mother.> > >> > >> > >> > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > -> > > litsol> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft :> A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > >> > >> > > Dear Sir,> > >> > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in> ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take> 9'th as father's house.> > >> > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.> > >> > > regards,> > > Lalit.> > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.> > > >> > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is> conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's> longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.> > > >> > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its> dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus> in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the> 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also> under aspect of Mars.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft> : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > >> > > >> > > > Sir,> > > >> > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's> life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and> placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no> affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto> 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.> > > >> > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open> ?> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar"> <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun> in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident> person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to> find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the> year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in> those days.> > > > >> > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection> with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my> times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to> justify one's interpretation of a chart.> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's> Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete> answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda's> life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,> "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by> 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard> time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's> Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of> swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this> time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also> confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,> Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo> wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made> swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify> swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started> deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their> intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,> what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because> of a printing mistake in BVR's book.> > > > > >> > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and> essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.> > > > > >> > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who> dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for> brother narsimha it should be a learning.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Vattem> Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,> > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the> two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in> Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th> lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.> > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when> considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami> Vivekanand Life and his preachings .> > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in> jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect> the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy> Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.> > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various> bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of> Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if> not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled> evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides> light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can> boast of> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@>> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Swami Vivekananda's> Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath> Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin> with photograph of geat mother.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).> > > > > > > "I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my> knowledge."Vivekana nda> > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33> a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti> festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath> Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered> generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and> religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had> practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give> her a son.> > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri> Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart> in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with> Saurabh our group member at his laptop.> > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami> ji's family back ground :> > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an> attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life> time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,> the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna> itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a> state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange> and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur> lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's> death and extraveganza ???> > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in> dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his> early death.> > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart> you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th> house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology> classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what> you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?> > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed> in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly> signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.> > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad> financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to> 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon> in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states> death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a> reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,> aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few> months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.> Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there> inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology> means study of the version of BPHS available to them.> > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th> lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars> in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is> true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a> clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he> studied - "History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other> subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and> instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,> Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.> > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic> astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?> > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th> lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of> litertature, arts and music.> > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no> supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna> chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and> 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known> configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another> aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical> excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th> house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.> > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru> Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One> of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna> chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in> Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic> achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for> materialistic lust.> > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th> lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,> furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna> makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord> Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it> get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.> Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in> spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,> example is Osho.> > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th> house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini> awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within> before making an expresion.> > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's> period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house> of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th> lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the> form of vedanta.> > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with> such a world tour and lectures.> > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was> Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also> happened in Rahu's period.> > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a> clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,> Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami> Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has> gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,> this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How> Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in> Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their> ability to read and understand a chart.> > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars> the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn> which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a> son of divine mother Kali.> > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when> you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur> clients and to peer astrologers ?????> > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord> Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a> business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the> Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor> like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark> in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with> dhanu lagna.> > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a> saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,> where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?> > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in> 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire> of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from> 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's> interchange in 9'th and lagna.> > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.> > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,> published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of> dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book> on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in> Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu> lagna chart.> > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha> and everybody else.> > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"> <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha> hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of> astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,> whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,> believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust> the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha> innocently gone for 2nd option.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365> day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was> reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct> 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great> research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari> dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to> readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,> 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to> commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.> > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i> get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep> under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is> main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th> house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,> mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's> approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.> Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of> predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only> lahiri ayanamsa -> > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good> satisfactory rains.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search> posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes> to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots> are on strike.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly> soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn> conjunction.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us> to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit> according to lahiri ayanamsa.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology> groups.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary> aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes> for some other articles.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known> and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do> count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term> scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases> how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he> had done.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & > other's on Vivekananda> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -> use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never> explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and> morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or> desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri> Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 3, 2009

Dear Sir,

You are right, makar lagna is also doubtful, i did put that also in question

mark for at least 1- 2 hrs, bt when i found chart is capable of explaining every

aspect of life like swami ji's death, sadhana, his childlessness, poor show in

education (Had a 2nd class BA) bt exceptional command over philosphy and indian

scriptures, this ketu's quality in 5th, and when i found yogas for polygamy and

business trading etc in dhanu lagna chart, i became sure of correctnes of makar

lagna, if you hve doubt on makar lagna kind of body and posture, pls look at

description of sri hanuman ji given in classics, in fact, makar lagna and kumbh

lagna born hve got gross difference in their body structure, makar is always

stout coz it's an earth sign and kumbha is lean coz it's an airy sign. You seem

to hve transposed kumbha lagna qualities over makar lagna jataka.

Pls. trust that my astro building blocks are made on your's as well as rup sir's

company, rest assure that i wd do all required testing before concluding any

thing.

Regards,

Lalit.

vedicastrdologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit,

>

> If data is suspect then even Makara chart is suspect, is that not so? Then why

insist for Makara?

>

> I think most of the people of India who are more than 50 years of age know

that only LMT was used in India even for many years after independence. So LMT

tag is not a figment of imagination but tag of fact which may be found

inconvenient by some.

>

> Whether a chart fails to explain life of swamiji is dependent upon how one

looks at the chart and application of principles.

>

> If one applies numbers of days for a year which were not in existence when the

science was formulated and still wants to say that its duration is proven, and

then by applying those parameters a chart is tried to be shown to be wrong,

nothing further can be said on such attitude.

>

> This is the reason I did not want to comment as fruitless and one sided

declaration of something having been prove does not lead to addition to the

knowledge of Vedic astrology.

>

> Take care,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> litsol

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:35 AM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda's

Chart Correction !!

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has

given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, The chart

is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.

>

> So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of

seasoned astrologers.

>

> regards,

> Lalit.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lalit,

> >

> > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on " Journal of

Astrology " makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and

swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying

birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> >

> > -

> > litsol

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda's

Chart Correction !!

> >

> > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,

> >

> > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's

> > chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor

> > of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent

> > opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of

> > Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100

> > yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar

> > Lagna chart.

> >

> > This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami

> > Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a

> > selfish nations.

> >

> > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami

> > Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in

> > Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna

> > but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.

> >

> > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating

> > things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only

> > manipulations.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on

> > that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu

> > lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles

> > and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft : A

> > Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I

> > decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.

> > However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting

> > the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is

> > having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In

> > fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda's accepted chart to

> > bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to

> > Prof Rao.

> > >

> > > I m partly successful.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to

> > Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of

> > Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.

> > > >

> > > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of

> > lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was

> > long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father

> > and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but

> > the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is

> > also aspected by Mars.

> > > >

> > > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his

> > parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did

> > not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though

> > the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm

> > the physical body of mother.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft :

> > A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in

> > ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take

> > 9'th as father's house.

> > > >

> > > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit.

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.

> > > > >

> > > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is

> > conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's

> > longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.

> > > > >

> > > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its

> > dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus

> > in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the

> > 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also

> > under aspect of Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's Charft

> > : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's

> > life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and

> > placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no

> > affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto

> > 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open

> > ?

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Chandrashekhar "

> > <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun

> > in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident

> > person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to

> > find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the

> > year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in

> > those days.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection

> > with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my

> > times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to

> > justify one's interpretation of a chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's

> > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete

> > answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda's

> > life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing ,

> > " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashekhar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by

> > 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard

> > time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda's

> > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of

> > swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this

> > time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also

> > confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,

> > Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo

> > wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made

> > swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify

> > swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started

> > deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their

> > intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,

> > what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because

> > of a printing mistake in BVR's book.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and

> > essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who

> > dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for

> > brother narsimha it should be a learning.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Vattem

> > Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,

> > > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the

> > two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in

> > Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th

> > lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.

> > > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when

> > considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami

> > Vivekanand Life and his preachings .

> > > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in

> > jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect

> > the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy

> > Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.

> > > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various

> > bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of

> > Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if

> > not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled

> > evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides

> > light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can

> > boast of

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@>

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Swami Vivekananda's

> > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath

> > Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin

> > with photograph of geat mother.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my

> > knowledge. " Vivekana nda

> > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33

> > a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti

> > festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> > Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

> > generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and

> > religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

> > practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give

> > her a son.

> > > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri

> > Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart

> > in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with

> > Saurabh our group member at his laptop.

> > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami

> > ji's family back ground :

> > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an

> > attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life

> > time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,

> > the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a

> > state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange

> > and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur

> > lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's

> > death and extraveganza ???

> > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in

> > dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his

> > early death.

> > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart

> > you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th

> > house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology

> > classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what

> > you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?

> > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed

> > in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly

> > signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.

> > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad

> > financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to

> > 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon

> > in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states

> > death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a

> > reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few

> > months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.

> > Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there

> > inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology

> > means study of the version of BPHS available to them.

> > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th

> > lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars

> > in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is

> > true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a

> > clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he

> > studied - " History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other

> > subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> > instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,

> > Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.

> > > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic

> > astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?

> > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th

> > lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of

> > litertature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no

> > supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna

> > chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and

> > 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known

> > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another

> > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical

> > excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th

> > house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.

> > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru

> > Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One

> > of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna

> > chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in

> > Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> > achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for

> > materialistic lust.

> > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th

> > lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,

> > furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna

> > makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord

> > Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it

> > get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.

> > Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in

> > spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,

> > example is Osho.

> > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th

> > house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini

> > awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within

> > before making an expresion.

> > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's

> > period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house

> > of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th

> > lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the

> > form of vedanta.

> > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with

> > such a world tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was

> > Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also

> > happened in Rahu's period.

> > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a

> > clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,

> > Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami

> > Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has

> > gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,

> > this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in

> > Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their

> > ability to read and understand a chart.

> > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars

> > the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn

> > which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a

> > son of divine mother Kali.

> > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when

> > you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur

> > clients and to peer astrologers ?????

> > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord

> > Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> > business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the

> > Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor

> > like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark

> > in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with

> > dhanu lagna.

> > > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a

> > saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,

> > where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?

> > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in

> > 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire

> > of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from

> > 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's

> > interchange in 9'th and lagna.

> > > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.

> > > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,

> > published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of

> > dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book

> > on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in

> > Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu

> > lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha

> > and everybody else.

> > > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol "

> > <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha

> > hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of

> > astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,

> > whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,

> > believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust

> > the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha

> > innocently gone for 2nd option.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365

> > day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was

> > reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct

> > 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great

> > research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari

> > dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to

> > readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,

> > 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to

> > commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.

> > > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i

> > get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep

> > under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is

> > main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th

> > house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,

> > mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's

> > approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.

> > Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of

> > predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only

> > lahiri ayanamsa -

> > > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good

> > satisfactory rains.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search

> > posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes

> > to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots

> > are on strike.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly

> > soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn

> > conjunction.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us

> > to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit

> > according to lahiri ayanamsa.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology

> > groups.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary

> > aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes

> > for some other articles.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

> > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known

> > and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do

> > count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term

> > scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases

> > how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he

> > had done.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar

> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha &

> > other's on Vivekananda

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -

> > use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never

> > explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and

> > morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or

> > desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri

> > Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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