Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction ?? 4/410

October 4, 2009

Dear Mr. Prashant,

Sri Ramanujacharya was married, there is no doubt on it, so, if his chart reflects marriage, what's wonder on that, however, I have not seen swami ji's chart -

http://www.ramanujartemples.net/Chapter%201.htm

above link says -

His Marriage

By this time, Ramanuja had attained the age of sixteen and his father thought fit that Ramanuja Should get married. Accordingly a girl named Tanjam Ammal was selected from a family very well known to Somayajiar and his wife, and married to Ramanuja. The girl was without doubt sweet and of a gentle disposition. Young and fresh , she was supremely happy in her husbands house.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela <pkgoteti wrote:>> dEAR CHANDRASHEKAR JI> > THIS IS TRUE all charts were in LMT in the past and most s/w work on ST but convert the data to LMT as we used to when using Log tables or Ephemiris info> > i still get 27 deg 43 Min for same data as given by BVR in his book notable horoscopes, same data, same result> > and why must we doubt the works of Pioneers, and one who spent thei lives in simple living, had depth of the vedhas, puranas as well. and but for BVR no one will be talking of Astrology anwya> > same as but for Swami Vivekandan role in spreading the greatness of Vedic culture Hinduism wud not have got the extension to live for this long and now no more swamis can redeem Vedic heritage is lost to missions of charity works of make belive.> > the land that gave great seers like raja ram mohon roy, swami dayananda saraswati, sri ramakrishna parahamsa, swami chaitanya prabhu, swami Yoganda, swami vivekananda, aurobindo gosh etc has now got lost to maerx and missions of charity all other figures r just irrelevant now.> > back to swami vivekananda> > well I had asled lalit to study the charts of swami ramanajucharya, swami chandrashekara bharati and BV RAMAN too has similar chart to ramanajucharya 7th has enough aflictions to suggest plural marriages his father had on the record raman did not so is presence of a combination enough the yoga needs adasa and other balas to fruit.> > and as u rightly said if the discussions is that rest of the world before us was reubbish and take this from me....> well it cant be worth saving timenothing but we do take a look at the presentation and do the needful nevertheless.> > best wishes> > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > ________________________________> litsol mishra.lalit Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sun, October 4, 2009 12:15:19 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction !!> > > Dear Sir,> > You are right, makar lagna is also doubtful, i did put that also in question mark for at least 1- 2 hrs, bt when i found chart is capable of explaining every aspect of life like swami ji's death, sadhana, his childlessness, poor show in education (Had a 2nd class BA) bt exceptional command over philosphy and indian scriptures, this ketu's quality in 5th, and when i found yogas for polygamy and business trading etc in dhanu lagna chart, i became sure of correctnes of makar lagna, if you hve doubt on makar lagna kind of body and posture, pls look at description of sri hanuman ji given in classics, in fact, makar lagna and kumbh lagna born hve got gross difference in their body structure, makar is always stout coz it's an earth sign and kumbha is lean coz it's an airy sign. You seem to hve transposed kumbha lagna qualities over makar lagna jataka.> > Pls. trust that my astro building blocks are made on your's as well as rup sir's company, rest assure that i wd do all required testing before concluding any thing.> > Regards,> Lalit. > > > vedicastrdologyandh ealing@grou ps.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > If data is suspect then even Makara chart is suspect, is that not so? Then why insist for Makara?> > > > I think most of the people of India who are more than 50 years of age know that only LMT was used in India even for many years after independence. So LMT tag is not a figment of imagination but tag of fact which may be found inconvenient by some.> > > > Whether a chart fails to explain life of swamiji is dependent upon how one looks at the chart and application of principles.> > > > If one applies numbers of days for a year which were not in existence when the science was formulated and still wants to say that its duration is proven, and then by applying those parameters a chart is tried to be shown to be wrong, nothing further can be said on such attitude. > > > > This is the reason I did not want to comment as fruitless and one sided declaration of something having been prove does not lead to addition to the knowledge of Vedic astrology.> > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:35 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, The chart is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.> > > > So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of seasoned astrologers.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on "Journal of Astrology" makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,> > > > > > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's> > > chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor> > > of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent> > > opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100> > > yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar> > > Lagna chart.> > > > > > This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami> > > Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a> > > selfish nations.> > > > > > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami> > > Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in> > > Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna> > > but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.> > > > > > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating> > > things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only> > > manipulations.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on> > > that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu> > > lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles> > > and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft : A> > > Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I> > > decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.> > > However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting> > > the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is> > > having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In> > > fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart to> > > bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to> > > Prof Rao.> > > >> > > > I m partly successful.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to> > > Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of> > > Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.> > > > >> > > > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of> > > lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was> > > long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father> > > and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but> > > the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is> > > also aspected by Mars.> > > > >> > > > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his> > > parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did> > > not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though> > > the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm> > > the physical body of mother.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft :> > > A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in> > > ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take> > > 9'th as father's house.> > > > >> > > > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.> > > > > >> > > > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is> > > conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's> > > longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.> > > > > >> > > > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its> > > dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus> > > in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the> > > 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also> > > under aspect of Mars.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft> > > : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's> > > life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and> > > placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no> > > affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto> > > 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open> > > ?> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun> > > in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident> > > person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to> > > find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the> > > year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in> > > those days.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection> > > with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my> > > times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to> > > justify one's interpretation of a chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete> > > answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' s> > > life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by> > > 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard> > > time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of> > > swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this> > > time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also> > > confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,> > > Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo> > > wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made> > > swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify> > > swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started> > > deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their> > > intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,> > > what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because> > > of a printing mistake in BVR's book.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and> > > essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who> > > dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for> > > brother narsimha it should be a learning.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Vattem> > > Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,> > > > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the> > > two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in> > > Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th> > > lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.> > > > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when> > > considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami> > > Vivekanand Life and his preachings .> > > > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in> > > jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect> > > the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy> > > Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.> > > > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various> > > bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of> > > Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if> > > not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled> > > evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides> > > light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can> > > boast of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan> > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services> > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ >> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath> > > Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin> > > with photograph of geat mother.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).> > > > > > > > > "I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my> > > knowledge."Vivekana nda> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33> > > a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti> > > festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath> > > Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered> > > generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and> > > religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had> > > practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give> > > her a son.> > > > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri> > > Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart> > > in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with> > > Saurabh our group member at his laptop.> > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami> > > ji's family back ground :> > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an> > > attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life> > > time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,> > > the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna> > > itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a> > > state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange> > > and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur> > > lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's> > > death and extraveganza ???> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in> > > dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his> > > early death.> > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart> > > you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th> > > house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology> > > classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what> > > you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed> > > in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly> > > signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.> > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad> > > financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to> > > 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon> > > in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states> > > death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a> > > reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,> > > aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few> > > months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.> > > Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there> > > inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology> > > means study of the version of BPHS available to them.> > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th> > > lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars> > > in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is> > > true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a> > > clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he> > > studied - "History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other> > > subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and> > > instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,> > > Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.> > > > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic> > > astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?> > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th> > > lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of> > > litertature, arts and music.> > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no> > > supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna> > > chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and> > > 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known> > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another> > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical> > > excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th> > > house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.> > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru> > > Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One> > > of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna> > > chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic> > > achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for> > > materialistic lust.> > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th> > > lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,> > > furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna> > > makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord> > > Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it> > > get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.> > > Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in> > > spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,> > > example is Osho.> > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th> > > house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini> > > awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within> > > before making an expresion.> > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's> > > period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house> > > of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th> > > lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the> > > form of vedanta.> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with> > > such a world tour and lectures.> > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was> > > Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also> > > happened in Rahu's period.> > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a> > > clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,> > > Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami> > > Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has> > > gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,> > > this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How> > > Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in> > > Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their> > > ability to read and understand a chart.> > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars> > > the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn> > > which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a> > > son of divine mother Kali.> > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when> > > you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur> > > clients and to peer astrologers ?????> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord> > > Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a> > > business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the> > > Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor> > > like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark> > > in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with> > > dhanu lagna.> > > > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a> > > saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,> > > where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?> > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in> > > 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire> > > of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from> > > 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's> > > interchange in 9'th and lagna.> > > > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.> > > > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,> > > published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of> > > dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book> > > on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in> > > Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu> > > lagna chart.> > > > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha> > > and everybody else.> > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"> > > <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha> > > hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of> > > astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,> > > whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,> > > believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust> > > the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha> > > innocently gone for 2nd option.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365> > > day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was> > > reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct> > > 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great> > > research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari> > > dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to> > > readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,> > > 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to> > > commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.> > > > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i> > > get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep> > > under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is> > > main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th> > > house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,> > > mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's> > > approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.> > > Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of> > > predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only> > > lahiri ayanamsa -> > > > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good> > > satisfactory rains.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search> > > posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes> > > to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots> > > are on strike.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly> > > soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn> > > conjunction.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us> > > to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit> > > according to lahiri ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology> > > groups.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary> > > aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes> > > for some other articles.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known> > > and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do> > > count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term> > > scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases> > > how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he> > > had done.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & > > > other's on Vivekananda> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -> > > use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never> > > explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and> > > morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or> > > desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri> > > Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

October 4, 2009

Lalit

he like raman had 3 malefics in the 7th house same Kumbha lagna.

so can we infer they had more than one known wife?

prashant

G B Prashant Kumar

litsol <mishra.lalitVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Sun, October 4, 2009 6:09:40 PM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction ?? 4/410

Dear Mr. Prashant,

Sri Ramanujacharya was married, there is no doubt on it, so, if his chart reflects marriage, what's wonder on that, however, I have not seen swami ji's chart -

http://www.ramanuja rtemples. net/Chapter% 201.htm

above link says -

His Marriage

By this time, Ramanuja had attained the age of sixteen and his father thought fit that Ramanuja Should get married. Accordingly a girl named Tanjam Ammal was selected from a family very well known to Somayajiar and his wife, and married to Ramanuja. The girl was without doubt sweet and of a gentle disposition. Young and fresh , she was supremely happy in her husbands house.

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela <pkgoteti wrote:>> dEAR CHANDRASHEKAR JI> > THIS IS TRUE all charts were in LMT in the past and most s/w work on ST but convert the data to LMT as we used to when using Log tables or Ephemiris info> > i still get 27 deg 43 Min for same data as given by BVR in his book notable horoscopes, same data, same result> > and why must we doubt the works of Pioneers, and one who spent thei lives in simple living, had depth of the vedhas, puranas as well. and but for BVR no one will be talking of Astrology anwya> > same as but for Swami Vivekandan role in spreading the greatness of Vedic culture Hinduism wud not have got the extension to live for this long and now no more swamis can redeem Vedic heritage is lost to missions of charity works of make belive.> >

the land that gave great seers like raja ram mohon roy, swami dayananda saraswati, sri ramakrishna parahamsa, swami chaitanya prabhu, swami Yoganda, swami vivekananda, aurobindo gosh etc has now got lost to maerx and missions of charity all other figures r just irrelevant now.> > back to swami vivekananda> > well I had asled lalit to study the charts of swami ramanajucharya, swami chandrashekara bharati and BV RAMAN too has similar chart to ramanajucharya 7th has enough aflictions to suggest plural marriages his father had on the record raman did not so is presence of a combination enough the yoga needs adasa and other balas to fruit.> > and as u rightly said if the discussions is that rest of the world before us was reubbish and take this from me....> well it cant be worth saving timenothing but we do take a look at the presentation and do the needful nevertheless.>

> best wishes> > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> litsol mishra.lalit@ ...> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> Sun, October 4, 2009 12:15:19 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > Dear Sir,> > You are right, makar lagna is also doubtful, i did put that also in question mark for at least 1- 2 hrs, bt when i found chart is capable of explaining every aspect of life like swami ji's death, sadhana, his childlessness, poor show in education (Had a 2nd class BA) bt exceptional command over philosphy and indian scriptures, this ketu's quality in 5th, and when i found yogas for polygamy and business trading etc in dhanu lagna chart, i became sure of correctnes of makar lagna, if you hve doubt on makar lagna kind of

body and posture, pls look at description of sri hanuman ji given in classics, in fact, makar lagna and kumbh lagna born hve got gross difference in their body structure, makar is always stout coz it's an earth sign and kumbha is lean coz it's an airy sign. You seem to hve transposed kumbha lagna qualities over makar lagna jataka.> > Pls. trust that my astro building blocks are made on your's as well as rup sir's company, rest assure that i wd do all required testing before concluding any thing.> > Regards,> Lalit. > > > vedicastrdologyandh ealing@grou ps.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > If data is suspect then even Makara chart is suspect, is that not so? Then why insist for Makara?> > > > I think most of the people of India who are more than 50 years of age know that only LMT

was used in India even for many years after independence. So LMT tag is not a figment of imagination but tag of fact which may be found inconvenient by some.> > > > Whether a chart fails to explain life of swamiji is dependent upon how one looks at the chart and application of principles.> > > > If one applies numbers of days for a year which were not in existence when the science was formulated and still wants to say that its duration is proven, and then by applying those parameters a chart is tried to be shown to be wrong, nothing further can be said on such attitude. > > > > This is the reason I did not want to comment as fruitless and one sided declaration of something having been prove does not lead to addition to the knowledge of Vedic astrology.> > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > litsol >

> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:35 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, The chart is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.> > > > So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of seasoned astrologers.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on "Journal of Astrology"

makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,> > > > > > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's> > > chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor> >

> of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent> > > opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100> > > yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar> > > Lagna chart.> > > > > > This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami> > > Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a> > > selfish nations.> > > > > > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami> > > Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in> > > Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna> > > but remained open to support Makar Lagna

placements.> > > > > > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating> > > things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only> > > manipulations.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on> > > that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu> > > lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles> > > and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.> > > >> > > > Take

care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft : A> > > Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I> > > decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.> > > However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting> > > the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is> > > having with me is

Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In> > > fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart to> > > bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to> > > Prof Rao.> > > >> > > > I m partly successful.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to> > > Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of> > > Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.> > > >

>> > > > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of> > > lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was> > > long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father> > > and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but> > > the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is> > > also aspected by Mars.> > > > >> > > > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his> > > parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did> > > not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though> > > the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm> > > the physical body of mother.> > > > >>

> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft :> > > A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in> > > ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take> > > 9'th as father's house.> > > > >> > > >

> This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.> > > > > >> > > > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is> > > conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's> > > longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.> > > > > >> > > > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its> > >

dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus> > > in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the> > > 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also> > > under aspect of Mars.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft> > > : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > >> >

> > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's> > > life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and> > > placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no> > > affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto> > > 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open> > > ?> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun> > > in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident> > > person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to> > > find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the> > > year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in> > > those days.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection> > > with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my> > > times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to> > > justify one's interpretation of a

chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete> > >

answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' s> > > life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by> > > 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard> > > time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.> > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of> > > swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this> > > time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also> > > confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,> > > Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo> > > wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made> > > swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify> > > swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started> > > deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their> > > intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,> > >

what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because> > > of a printing mistake in BVR's book.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and> > > essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who> > > dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for> > > brother narsimha it should be a learning.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Vattem> > > Krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,> > > > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the> > > two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in> > > Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th> > > lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.> > > > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when> > > considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami> > > Vivekanand Life and his preachings .> > > > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in> > > jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect> > > the life

pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy> > > Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.> > > > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various> > > bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of> > > Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if> > > not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled> > > evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides> > > light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can> > > boast of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan> > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services> > > > >

> > > > (For all counseling services)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ >> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath> > > Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin> > > with photograph of geat mother.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).> > > > > > > > > "I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my> > > knowledge."Vivekana nda> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla

Pally, Calcutta at 6:33> > > a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti> > > festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath> > > Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered> > > generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and> > > religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had> > > practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give> > > her a son.> > > > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri> > > Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart> > > in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with> > > Saurabh our group member at his laptop.> > > > > > > > > Let's check the

validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami> > > ji's family back ground :> > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an> > > attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life> > > time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,> > > the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna> > > itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a> > > state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange> > > and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur> > > lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's> > > death and extraveganza ???> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house

in> > > dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his> > > early death.> > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart> > > you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th> > > house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology> > > classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what> > > you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed> > > in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly> > > signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.> > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad> > >

financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to> > > 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon> > > in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states> > > death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a> > > reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,> > > aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few> > > months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.> > > Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there> > > inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology> > > means study of the version of BPHS available to them.> > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as

5'th> > > lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars> > > in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is> > > true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a> > > clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he> > > studied - "History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other> > > subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and> > > instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,> > > Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.> > > > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic> > > astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?> > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th> > > lord is

conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of> > > litertature, arts and music.> > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no> > > supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna> > > chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and> > > 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known> > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another> > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical> > > excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th> > > house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.> > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru> > > Thakur Ramakrishna

Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One> > > of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna> > > chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic> > > achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for> > > materialistic lust.> > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th> > > lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,> > > furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna> > > makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord> > > Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it> > > get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional

spiritual chart.> > > Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in> > > spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,> > > example is Osho.> > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th> > > house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini> > > awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within> > > before making an expresion.> > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's> > > period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house> > > of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th> > > lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the> > > form of

vedanta.> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with> > > such a world tour and lectures.> > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was> > > Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also> > > happened in Rahu's period.> > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a> > > clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,> > > Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami> > > Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has> > > gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,> > > this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How>

> > Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in> > > Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their> > > ability to read and understand a chart.> > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars> > > the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn> > > which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a> > > son of divine mother Kali.> > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when> > > you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur> > > clients and to peer astrologers ?????> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord> > > Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus,

this combination makes him a> > > business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the> > > Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor> > > like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark> > > in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with> > > dhanu lagna.> > > > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a> > > saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,> > > where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?> > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in> > > 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire> > > of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars

from> > > 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's> > > interchange in 9'th and lagna.> > > > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.> > > > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,> > > published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of> > > dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book> > > on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in> > > Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu> > > lagna chart.> > > > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha> > > and everybody else.> > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!> > >

> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"> > > <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha> > > hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the

help of> > > astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,> > > whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,> > > believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust> > > the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha> > > innocently gone for 2nd option.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365> > > day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was> > > reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct> > > 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great> > > research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari> > > dasa pattern along wth transit effects,

this is quite misleading to> > > readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,> > > 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to> > > commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.> > > > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i> > > get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep> > > under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is> > > main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th> > > house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,> > > mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's> >

> approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.> > > Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of> > > predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only> > > lahiri ayanamsa -> > > > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good> > > satisfactory rains.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search> > > posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes> > > to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots> > > are on strike.> > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly> > > soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn> > > conjunction.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us> > > to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and

transit> > > according to lahiri ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology> > > groups.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary> > > aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes> > > for some other articles.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known> > > and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do> > > count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term> > > scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases> > > how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he> >

> had done.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & > > > other's on Vivekananda> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -> > > use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never> > > explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and> > > morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or> > > desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri> > > Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

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