Chandrashekhar Ji, God will not Forgive You - Vivekananda's Chart !!

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Respected Chandrashekhar Ji,

I m at deep pain after knowing that you have made all the arguments without opening a page of astrology books and without sitting for a minute to recall your young age, baseless argments are a sin misled many , why did you do that ?

Most of my work is based on intutions and push that I get from the divinity, Still, there is scope for me to go wrong, however, It has never happened in spiritual matters.

I have always been unwilling to buy - "Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh (Contemporary to B SuryaNarain Rao ), but, I happen to buy it, and to my surprise, when I went to it's last pages, I found Swami Vivekananda's chart with Makar Lagna.

The author is so honest, he refers to circulation of dhanu lagna kundali also, he gives the reference to sources of dhanu lagna, Auther says that he has learnt diving into water in 1898, so, we can understand that he had enough knowledge of Swami Ji's life and work, he has clarified that a Dhanu lagna chart is printed in a collection called "Jivani Sangrah", he states that chart is wrong.

He puts two logics

1. Swami Ji's stout body, as per the author, Lagna makar is place in 9'th house in an earth sign of Virgo, so, quite obivios for Swami ji to have a stout body.

2 Marriage : he says with dhanu lagna chart, Jup which is placed in 11'th house, casts it's aspects on 7'th house, which must get him married.

I also, today studied Sarawali and Jatakabharana, both the classics states in one voice that makar lagna natives owns stout body.

So, Chandra Shekhar Ji, it's clear that you have presented a very baised and narrow minded view point and misguided people, it's not expected from you.

regards,Lalit

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Prashantkumar,> > I am glad you understand my point of view.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> - > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:10 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: [VAH] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction ?? 4/410> > > > dEAR CHANDRASHEKAR JI> > THIS IS TRUE all charts were in LMT in the past and most s/w work on ST but convert the data to LMT as we used to when using Log tables or Ephemiris info> > i still get 27 deg 43 Min for same data as given by BVR in his book notable horoscopes, same data, same result> > and why must we doubt the works of Pioneers, and one who spent thei lives in simple living, had depth of the vedhas, puranas as well. and but for BVR no one will be talking of Astrology anwya> > same as but for Swami Vivekandan role in spreading the greatness of Vedic culture Hinduism wud not have got the extension to live for this long and now no more swamis can redeem Vedic heritage is lost to missions of charity works of make belive.> > the land that gave great seers like raja ram mohon roy, swami dayananda saraswati, sri ramakrishna parahamsa, swami chaitanya prabhu, swami Yoganda, swami vivekananda, aurobindo gosh etc has now got lost to maerx and missions of charity all other figures r just irrelevant now.> > back to swami vivekananda> > well I had asled lalit to study the charts of swami ramanajucharya, swami chandrashekara bharati and BV RAMAN too has similar chart to ramanajucharya 7th has enough aflictions to suggest plural marriages his father had on the record raman did not so is presence of a combination enough the yoga needs adasa and other balas to fruit.> > and as u rightly said if the discussions is that rest of the world before us was reubbish and take this from me....> well it cant be worth saving timenothing but we do take a look at the presentation and do the needful nevertheless.> > best wishes> > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sun, October 4, 2009 12:15:19 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction !!> > > Dear Sir,> > You are right, makar lagna is also doubtful, i did put that also in question mark for at least 1- 2 hrs, bt when i found chart is capable of explaining every aspect of life like swami ji's death, sadhana, his childlessness, poor show in education (Had a 2nd class BA) bt exceptional command over philosphy and indian scriptures, this ketu's quality in 5th, and when i found yogas for polygamy and business trading etc in dhanu lagna chart, i became sure of correctnes of makar lagna, if you hve doubt on makar lagna kind of body and posture, pls look at description of sri hanuman ji given in classics, in fact, makar lagna and kumbh lagna born hve got gross difference in their body structure, makar is always stout coz it's an earth sign and kumbha is lean coz it's an airy sign. You seem to hve transposed kumbha lagna qualities over makar lagna jataka.> > Pls. trust that my astro building blocks are made on your's as well as rup sir's company, rest assure that i wd do all required testing before concluding any thing.> > Regards,> Lalit. > > > vedicastrdologyandh ealing@grou ps.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > If data is suspect then even Makara chart is suspect, is that not so? Then why insist for Makara?> > > > I think most of the people of India who are more than 50 years of age know that only LMT was used in India even for many years after independence. So LMT tag is not a figment of imagination but tag of fact which may be found inconvenient by some.> > > > Whether a chart fails to explain life of swamiji is dependent upon how one looks at the chart and application of principles.> > > > If one applies numbers of days for a year which were not in existence when the science was formulated and still wants to say that its duration is proven, and then by applying those parameters a chart is tried to be shown to be wrong, nothing further can be said on such attitude. > > > > This is the reason I did not want to comment as fruitless and one sided declaration of something having been prove does not lead to addition to the knowledge of Vedic astrology.> > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:35 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, The chart is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.> > > > So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of seasoned astrologers.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on "Journal of Astrology" makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,> > > > > > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's> > > chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor> > > of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent> > > opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100> > > yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar> > > Lagna chart.> > > > > > This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami> > > Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a> > > selfish nations.> > > > > > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami> > > Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in> > > Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna> > > but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.> > > > > > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating> > > things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only> > > manipulations.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on> > > that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu> > > lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles> > > and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft : A> > > Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I> > > decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.> > > However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting> > > the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is> > > having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In> > > fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart to> > > bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to> > > Prof Rao.> > > >> > > > I m partly successful.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to> > > Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of> > > Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.> > > > >> > > > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of> > > lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was> > > long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father> > > and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but> > > the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is> > > also aspected by Mars.> > > > >> > > > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his> > > parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did> > > not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though> > > the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm> > > the physical body of mother.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft :> > > A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in> > > ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take> > > 9'th as father's house.> > > > >> > > > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.> > > > > >> > > > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is> > > conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's> > > longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.> > > > > >> > > > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its> > > dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus> > > in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the> > > 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also> > > under aspect of Mars.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft> > > : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's> > > life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and> > > placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no> > > affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto> > > 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open> > > ?> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun> > > in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident> > > person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to> > > find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the> > > year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in> > > those days.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection> > > with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my> > > times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to> > > justify one's interpretation of a chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete> > > answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' s> > > life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by> > > 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard> > > time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of> > > swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this> > > time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also> > > confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,> > > Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo> > > wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made> > > swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify> > > swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started> > > deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their> > > intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,> > > what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because> > > of a printing mistake in BVR's book.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and> > > essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who> > > dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for> > > brother narsimha it should be a learning.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Vattem> > > Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,> > > > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the> > > two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in> > > Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th> > > lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.> > > > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when> > > considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami> > > Vivekanand Life and his preachings .> > > > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in> > > jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect> > > the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy> > > Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.> > > > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various> > > bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of> > > Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if> > > not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled> > > evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides> > > light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can> > > boast of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan> > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services> > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ >> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath> > > Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin> > > with photograph of geat mother.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).> > > > > > > > > "I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my> > > knowledge."Vivekana nda> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33> > > a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti> > > festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath> > > Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered> > > generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and> > > religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had> > > practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give> > > her a son.> > > > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri> > > Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart> > > in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with> > > Saurabh our group member at his laptop.> > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami> > > ji's family back ground :> > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an> > > attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life> > > time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,> > > the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna> > > itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a> > > state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange> > > and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur> > > lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's> > > death and extraveganza ???> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in> > > dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his> > > early death.> > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart> > > you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th> > > house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology> > > classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what> > > you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed> > > in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly> > > signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.> > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad> > > financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to> > > 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon> > > in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states> > > death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a> > > reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,> > > aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few> > > months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.> > > Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there> > > inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology> > > means study of the version of BPHS available to them.> > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th> > > lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars> > > in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is> > > true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a> > > clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he> > > studied - "History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other> > > subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and> > > instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,> > > Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.> > > > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic> > > astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?> > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th> > > lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of> > > litertature, arts and music.> > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no> > > supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna> > > chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and> > > 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known> > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another> > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical> > > excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th> > > house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.> > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru> > > Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One> > > of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna> > > chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic> > > achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for> > > materialistic lust.> > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th> > > lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,> > > furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna> > > makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord> > > Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it> > > get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.> > > Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in> > > spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,> > > example is Osho.> > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th> > > house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini> > > awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within> > > before making an expresion.> > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's> > > period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house> > > of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th> > > lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the> > > form of vedanta.> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with> > > such a world tour and lectures.> > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was> > > Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also> > > happened in Rahu's period.> > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a> > > clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,> > > Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami> > > Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has> > > gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,> > > this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How> > > Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in> > > Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their> > > ability to read and understand a chart.> > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars> > > the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn> > > which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a> > > son of divine mother Kali.> > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when> > > you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur> > > clients and to peer astrologers ?????> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord> > > Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a> > > business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the> > > Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor> > > like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark> > > in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with> > > dhanu lagna.> > > > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a> > > saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,> > > where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?> > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in> > > 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire> > > of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from> > > 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's> > > interchange in 9'th and lagna.> > > > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.> > > > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,> > > published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of> > > dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book> > > on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in> > > Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu> > > lagna chart.> > > > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha> > > and everybody else.> > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"> > > <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha> > > hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of> > > astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,> > > whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,> > > believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust> > > the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha> > > innocently gone for 2nd option.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365> > > day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was> > > reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct> > > 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great> > > research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari> > > dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to> > > readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,> > > 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to> > > commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.> > > > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i> > > get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep> > > under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is> > > main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th> > > house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,> > > mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's> > > approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.> > > Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of> > > predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only> > > lahiri ayanamsa -> > > > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good> > > satisfactory rains.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search> > > posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes> > > to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots> > > are on strike.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly> > > soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn> > > conjunction.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us> > > to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit> > > according to lahiri ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology> > > groups.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary> > > aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes> > > for some other articles.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known> > > and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do> > > count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term> > > scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases> > > how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he> > > had done.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & > > > other's on Vivekananda> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -> > > use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never> > > explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and> > > morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or> > > desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri> > > Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Lalit

 

EVEN if u r tru u can't present it so brazenly, abusive with contempt on anyone esp all pioneers, dons of the subject, just because u found one work talking of Makara, why not so many on dhanur ?

 

what makes u think raman doesn't know what u know, have u read his works? magzines over the years his works my experiments with astrology is a model for any astrologer has cluses on astrology, astrologers, demands of the subject.

 

VALUES, DISCIPLINE, COMMITMENT against all odds even poverty he never lost his cool or values

 

KN RAO a great astrologer in his own right did use raman to get the limelight and then dubbed him they way u did

 

now u have did the same with PVN ji who had said u will be a great spiritual person in 2016

but with 2 riders

curbong ur maritian traits and the time frame then

 

which means u r not yet there.

 

sso the path is tough, demanding for u to get there if u choose such a rigid, arrogant path no one can he;p u, we agree or disagree with some normalcy not such arrogance u r showing

 

PVN was ridiculed, abused for months for givin a good write up on u, no 1 cared for the 2 riders, questioned his intregrity, crediblity etc in a few groups there r some dedicated ppl to ridicule every reading of his [sriram srinivas & co]

 

and pl remember good astologers like raman had the mantra siddhi, from his purer nature, satvic i mean

 

he was a vedic scholar, met many spiritual, relgious personalities and their blessings r with him aparet from all walks of life,

 

personally I have never tolerated anyone ridiculing raman ji or swami vivekanand both have done pipneering work and if Astrology is alive it is ramns works alone else secular India wud have burried it.

so to if not for swami vivekanand we wud have long been line etheopie, somalia with christian, muslim majority ppl in eternal conflict

 

well he has delayed it our secular india has created it for real

 

AP, TN, KERALA, MP, ORRISA, CHATISGARH etc haveing more of christian and next r muslims, hindus r dwindling UP is more of muslims, so we can expect that no one else can save us from here may be 10-15 yrs Hinduism is almost dead, burrued

 

AND WE R DISCUSSING SWAMI VIVEKANAND'S CHART ONLY ON ASTROLOGICAL RULES not on intutuion

 

intution works in real life situations when we are face to face with ppl as their serious questions, born from their Karmic energy bodies, almighty line if help is destined now we can be of help to them else someone esle may give them a needed reading or may not get one at all can be due to not meeting the right astgrologer for any reason beyond his control

 

and to do dead ppl withintution is far fetched.

 

if ur serious Makara Lagna has been analysed in sept spl issues of AM in 1971 if i remeber right, get them and study them

 

Makara Lagna features r discussed in Jyotish vidya group when we discussed Obamas chart

 

and Wendy there had wroked on it as makara as she compared it withthe features of Vic D'cara her moderator.

 

LEAN LONG FACE!

 

his birth certificate gives Makara lagna time

 

KNR has used tula lagna rom his intution/sources

 

Prashant

 

 

G B Prashant Kumar

 

 

litsol <mishra.lalitVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 5:07:55 AM[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Chandrashekhar Ji, God will not Forgive You - Vivekananda's Chart !!

 

Respected Chandrashekhar Ji,

I m at deep pain after knowing that you have made all the arguments without opening a page of astrology books and without sitting for a minute to recall your young age, baseless argments are a sin misled many , why did you do that ?

Most of my work is based on intutions and push that I get from the divinity, Still, there is scope for me to go wrong, however, It has never happened in spiritual matters.

I have always been unwilling to buy - "Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh (Contemporary to B SuryaNarain Rao ), but, I happen to buy it, and to my surprise, when I went to it's last pages, I found Swami Vivekananda' s chart with Makar Lagna.

The author is so honest, he refers to circulation of dhanu lagna kundali also, he gives the reference to sources of dhanu lagna, Auther says that he has learnt diving into water in 1898, so, we can understand that he had enough knowledge of Swami Ji's life and work, he has clarified that a Dhanu lagna chart is printed in a collection called "Jivani Sangrah", he states that chart is wrong.

He puts two logics

1. Swami Ji's stout body, as per the author, Lagna makar is place in 9'th house in an earth sign of Virgo, so, quite obivios for Swami ji to have a stout body.

2 Marriage : he says with dhanu lagna chart, Jup which is placed in 11'th house, casts it's aspects on 7'th house, which must get him married.

I also, today studied Sarawali and Jatakabharana, both the classics states in one voice that makar lagna natives owns stout body.

So, Chandra Shekhar Ji, it's clear that you have presented a very baised and narrow minded view point and misguided people, it's not expected from you.

regards,Lalit

 

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekh ar wrote:>> Dear Prashantkumar,> > I am glad you understand my point of view.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> - > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:10 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: [VAH] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction ?? 4/410> > > > dEAR CHANDRASHEKAR JI> > THIS IS TRUE all charts were in LMT in the past and most s/w work on ST but convert the data to LMT as we used to when using Log tables or Ephemiris info> > i still get 27 deg 43 Min for same data as given by BVR in his book notable horoscopes, same data, same

result> > and why must we doubt the works of Pioneers, and one who spent thei lives in simple living, had depth of the vedhas, puranas as well. and but for BVR no one will be talking of Astrology anwya> > same as but for Swami Vivekandan role in spreading the greatness of Vedic culture Hinduism wud not have got the extension to live for this long and now no more swamis can redeem Vedic heritage is lost to missions of charity works of make belive.> > the land that gave great seers like raja ram mohon roy, swami dayananda saraswati, sri ramakrishna parahamsa, swami chaitanya prabhu, swami Yoganda, swami vivekananda, aurobindo gosh etc has now got lost to maerx and missions of charity all other figures r just irrelevant now.> > back to swami vivekananda> > well I had asled lalit to study the charts of swami ramanajucharya, swami chandrashekara bharati and BV RAMAN too has similar chart

to ramanajucharya 7th has enough aflictions to suggest plural marriages his father had on the record raman did not so is presence of a combination enough the yoga needs adasa and other balas to fruit.> > and as u rightly said if the discussions is that rest of the world before us was reubbish and take this from me....> well it cant be worth saving timenothing but we do take a look at the presentation and do the needful nevertheless.> > best wishes> > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> litsol mishra.lalit@ ...> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> Sun, October 4, 2009 12:15:19 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > Dear Sir,> > You are right, makar

lagna is also doubtful, i did put that also in question mark for at least 1- 2 hrs, bt when i found chart is capable of explaining every aspect of life like swami ji's death, sadhana, his childlessness, poor show in education (Had a 2nd class BA) bt exceptional command over philosphy and indian scriptures, this ketu's quality in 5th, and when i found yogas for polygamy and business trading etc in dhanu lagna chart, i became sure of correctnes of makar lagna, if you hve doubt on makar lagna kind of body and posture, pls look at description of sri hanuman ji given in classics, in fact, makar lagna and kumbh lagna born hve got gross difference in their body structure, makar is always stout coz it's an earth sign and kumbha is lean coz it's an airy sign. You seem to hve transposed kumbha lagna qualities over makar lagna jataka.> > Pls. trust that my astro building blocks are made on your's as well as rup sir's company, rest assure that i wd do

all required testing before concluding any thing.> > Regards,> Lalit. > > > vedicastrdologyandh ealing@grou ps.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > If data is suspect then even Makara chart is suspect, is that not so? Then why insist for Makara?> > > > I think most of the people of India who are more than 50 years of age know that only LMT was used in India even for many years after independence. So LMT tag is not a figment of imagination but tag of fact which may be found inconvenient by some.> > > > Whether a chart fails to explain life of swamiji is dependent upon how one looks at the chart and application of principles.> > > > If one applies numbers of days for a year which were not in existence when the science

was formulated and still wants to say that its duration is proven, and then by applying those parameters a chart is tried to be shown to be wrong, nothing further can be said on such attitude. > > > > This is the reason I did not want to comment as fruitless and one sided declaration of something having been prove does not lead to addition to the knowledge of Vedic astrology.> > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:35 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that

? and moreover, The chart is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.> > > > So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of seasoned astrologers.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on "Journal of Astrology" makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > To:

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,> > > > > > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's> > > chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor> > > of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent> > > opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100> > > yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar> > > Lagna chart.> > > > > > This

was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami> > > Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a> > > selfish nations.> > > > > > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami> > > Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in> > > Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna> > > but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.> > > > > > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating> > > things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only> > > manipulations.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> >

> <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on> > > that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu> > > lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles> > > and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft : A> > > Comparative

Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I> > > decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.> > > However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting> > > the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is> > > having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In> > > fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart to> > > bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to> > > Prof Rao.> > > >> > > > I m partly successful.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > >

>> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to> > > Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of> > > Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.> > > > >> > > > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of> > > lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was> > > long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father> > > and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but> > > the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its

dispositor is> > > also aspected by Mars.> > > > >> > > > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his> > > parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did> > > not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though> > > the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm> > > the physical body of mother.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM> > > > > Subject:

[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft :> > > A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in> > > ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take> > > 9'th as father's house.> > > > >> > > > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > >

> > >> > > > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.> > > > > >> > > > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is> > > conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's> > > longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.> > > > > >> > > > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its> > > dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus> > > in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the> > > 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also> > > under aspect of Mars.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > >

>> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft> > > : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's> > > life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and> > > placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no> > > affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not

live upto> > > 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open> > > ?> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun> > > in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident> > > person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to> > > find out what was the life

expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the> > > year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in> > > those days.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection> > > with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my> > > times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to> > > justify one's interpretation of a chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com>

> > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete> > > answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' s> > > life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > >

"Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by> > > 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard> > > time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message

-----> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of> > > swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this> > > time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also> > > confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing

mistake,> > > Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo> > > wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made> > > swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify> > > swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started> > > deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their> > > intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,> > > what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because> > > of a printing mistake in BVR's book.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and> > > essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.> > > > > > > >> > > > >

> > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who> > > dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for> > > brother narsimha it should be a learning.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Vattem> > > Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,> > > > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the> > > two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in> > > Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as

5th> > > lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.> > > > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when> > > considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami> > > Vivekanand Life and his preachings .> > > > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in> > > jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect> > > the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy> > > Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.> > > > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various> > > bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of> > > Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if>

> > not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled> > > evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides> > > light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can> > > boast of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan> > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services> > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > litsol

<mishra.lalit@ >> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath> > > Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We

begin> > > with photograph of geat mother.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).> > > > > > > > > "I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my> > > knowledge."Vivekana nda> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33> > > a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti> > > festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath> > > Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered> > > generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and> > > religious matters. His

mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had> > > practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give> > > her a son.> > > > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri> > > Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart> > > in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with> > > Saurabh our group member at his laptop.> > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami> > > ji's family back ground :> > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an> > > attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life> > > time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you

get Sun,> > > the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna> > > itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a> > > state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange> > > and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur> > > lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's> > > death and extraveganza ???> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in> > > dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his> > > early death.> > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart> > > you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th> > > house, which is 8'th from 4'th

house of mother, what vedic astrology> > > classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what> > > you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed> > > in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly> > > signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.> > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad> > > financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to> > > 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon> > > in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states> > > death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a> > > reason for

sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,> > > aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few> > > months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.> > > Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there> > > inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology> > > means study of the version of BPHS available to them.> > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th> > > lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars> > > in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is> > > true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a> > > clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he> > >

studied - "History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other> > > subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and> > > instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,> > > Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.> > > > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic> > > astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?> > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th> > > lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of> > > litertature, arts and music.> > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no> > > supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna> > > chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting

4'th and> > > 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known> > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another> > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical> > > excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th> > > house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.> > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru> > > Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One> > > of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna> > > chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic> > > achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for

hidden lust for> > > materialistic lust.> > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th> > > lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,> > > furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna> > > makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord> > > Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it> > > get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.> > > Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in> > > spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,> > > example is Osho.> > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th> > > house, making swami ji a siddha

mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini> > > awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within> > > before making an expresion.> > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's> > > period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house> > > of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th> > > lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the> > > form of vedanta.> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with> > > such a world tour and lectures.> > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was> > > Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also> > > happened in Rahu's

period.> > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a> > > clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,> > > Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami> > > Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has> > > gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,> > > this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How> > > Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in> > > Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their> > > ability to read and understand a chart.> > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars> > > the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th

lord moon conjuncts Saturn> > > which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a> > > son of divine mother Kali.> > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when> > > you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur> > > clients and to peer astrologers ?????> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord> > > Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a> > > business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the> > > Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor> > > like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark> > > in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with> >

> dhanu lagna.> > > > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a> > > saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,> > > where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?> > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in> > > 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire> > > of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from> > > 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's> > > interchange in 9'th and lagna.> > > > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.> > > > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,> > > published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned

when i draw the difference of> > > dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book> > > on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in> > > Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu> > > lagna chart.> > > > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha> > > and everybody else.> > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"> > > <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha> > > hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of> > > astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,> > > whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,> > > believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust> > > the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha> > > innocently gone for 2nd

option.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365> > > day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was> > > reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct> > > 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great> > > research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari> > > dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to> > > readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,> > > 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to> > > commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.> > > > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.> > > > > >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i> > > get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep> > > under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is> > > main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th> > > house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,> > > mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's> > > approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.> > > Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of> > > predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only> > > lahiri ayanamsa -> > > > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug,

good> > > satisfactory rains.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search> > > posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes> > > to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots> > > are on strike.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly> > > soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn> >

> conjunction.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us> > > to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit> > > according to lahiri ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology> > > groups.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of

planetary> > > aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes> > > for some other articles.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart

of Dhanur Lagna is well known> > > and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do> > > count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term> > > scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases> > > how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he> > > had done.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > >

> > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & > > > other's on Vivekananda> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -> > > use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never> > > explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and> > > morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!> > > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or> > > desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri> > > Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit,

 

I had told you that I do not want to get into any sort of argument on this count. But I have read your comments about me and PVR Narasimharao not having read astrological texts. I detest this sort of accusation without knowing what we have read or not. I must therefore respond to your accusations.

 

Your assumption that you are the only one who has read Devakinandan's "Jyotish Ratnakar" is patently wrong. By the way Devakinandan has said that he got the chart no. 32, that you are trying to present as one that is identical to what you present (it is not), from one of his friends and that it does not mention the time of birth. I think you ,who accuse others of not reading a page of astrology books have yourself not read what the author has said.

 

As far as Jyotish Ratnakar is concerned, it acknowledges that the data of birth available does give Dhanu lagna. However it prints the chart received from a friend of the author and gives Ravi in Makara (Capricorn) on 12th of January for the chart that it has reproduced on an assumed time.

 

Now I hope anybody with even a bit of knowledge of astronomy/astrology knows that Ravi does not enter Makara rasi till 14th of January. That being the case, I do not understand how the chart given in Jyotish Ratnakar supports your theory of that being the correct chart.

 

Assuming for the sake of argument that the chart given is based on tropical norms, Sun would be in 21 degrees 22" and odd seconds and not 0 degrees 0" and 15' as indicated in "Jyotish Ratnakar."

 

I hope you will understand that only trying to take names of texts without reading them through and trying to prove your own theories by using some sort of convoluted logic and use of impolite language does not serve any purpose and as to misguiding people, I am sure those of the readers who get a copy of Jyotish Ratnakar and read it through will understand for themselves who is misguiding them under the garb of intuition and divinity as against a finite science.

 

For information of those who would want to get at the truth of who is right, I am giving the address of the Publishers of Jyotish Ratnakar so that they can obtain a copy of the said book and find out for themselves the truth.

 

This is the last mail I will be writing on this group as I do not think I should be a meek spectator when respected astrologers of yesteryears are shown utmost disrespect by the moderator himself and where instead of Jyotish, a divine science, is reduced to claims of intuition and so called divinity.

 

Before I close, let me assure you that your writing God will not forgive you implying you are God is the height of hypocrisy and as far from divinity that you claim to possess and proclaim from rooftops, as possible. God believes in truth and not pretensions.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Publishers: MLBD.COM Motilal Banarsidass Publishers Private LimitedA-44, Naraina Industrial Area, Phase - I,New Delhi-110 028 (INDIA)Tel: (91-11) 25795180, 25792734, 25793423Fax: (91-11) 25797221, 23850689Email : mlbd

 

 

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Vedic Astrologyandhealing

Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:07 AM

[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Chandrashekhar Ji, God will not Forgive You - Vivekananda's Chart !!

 

Respected Chandrashekhar Ji,

I m at deep pain after knowing that you have made all the arguments without opening a page of astrology books and without sitting for a minute to recall your young age, baseless argments are a sin misled many , why did you do that ?

Most of my work is based on intutions and push that I get from the divinity, Still, there is scope for me to go wrong, however, It has never happened in spiritual matters.

I have always been unwilling to buy - "Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh (Contemporary to B SuryaNarain Rao ), but, I happen to buy it, and to my surprise, when I went to it's last pages, I found Swami Vivekananda's chart with Makar Lagna.

The author is so honest, he refers to circulation of dhanu lagna kundali also, he gives the reference to sources of dhanu lagna, Auther says that he has learnt diving into water in 1898, so, we can understand that he had enough knowledge of Swami Ji's life and work, he has clarified that a Dhanu lagna chart is printed in a collection called "Jivani Sangrah", he states that chart is wrong.

He puts two logics

1. Swami Ji's stout body, as per the author, Lagna makar is place in 9'th house in an earth sign of Virgo, so, quite obivios for Swami ji to have a stout body.

2 Marriage : he says with dhanu lagna chart, Jup which is placed in 11'th house, casts it's aspects on 7'th house, which must get him married.

I also, today studied Sarawali and Jatakabharana, both the classics states in one voice that makar lagna natives owns stout body.

So, Chandra Shekhar Ji, it's clear that you have presented a very baised and narrow minded view point and misguided people, it's not expected from you.

regards,Lalit

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Prashantkumar,> > I am glad you understand my point of view.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> - > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:10 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: [VAH] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction ?? 4/410> > > > dEAR CHANDRASHEKAR JI> > THIS IS TRUE all charts were in LMT in the past and most s/w work on ST but convert the data to LMT as we used to when using Log tables or Ephemiris info> > i still get 27 deg 43 Min for same data as given by BVR in his book notable horoscopes, same data, same result> > and why must we doubt the works of Pioneers, and one who spent thei lives in simple living, had depth of the vedhas, puranas as well. and but for BVR no one will be talking of Astrology anwya> > same as but for Swami Vivekandan role in spreading the greatness of Vedic culture Hinduism wud not have got the extension to live for this long and now no more swamis can redeem Vedic heritage is lost to missions of charity works of make belive.> > the land that gave great seers like raja ram mohon roy, swami dayananda saraswati, sri ramakrishna parahamsa, swami chaitanya prabhu, swami Yoganda, swami vivekananda, aurobindo gosh etc has now got lost to maerx and missions of charity all other figures r just irrelevant now.> > back to swami vivekananda> > well I had asled lalit to study the charts of swami ramanajucharya, swami chandrashekara bharati and BV RAMAN too has similar chart to ramanajucharya 7th has enough aflictions to suggest plural marriages his father had on the record raman did not so is presence of a combination enough the yoga needs adasa and other balas to fruit.> > and as u rightly said if the discussions is that rest of the world before us was reubbish and take this from me....> well it cant be worth saving timenothing but we do take a look at the presentation and do the needful nevertheless.> > best wishes> > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sun, October 4, 2009 12:15:19 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda's Chart Correction !!> > > Dear Sir,> > You are right, makar lagna is also doubtful, i did put that also in question mark for at least 1- 2 hrs, bt when i found chart is capable of explaining every aspect of life like swami ji's death, sadhana, his childlessness, poor show in education (Had a 2nd class BA) bt exceptional command over philosphy and indian scriptures, this ketu's quality in 5th, and when i found yogas for polygamy and business trading etc in dhanu lagna chart, i became sure of correctnes of makar lagna, if you hve doubt on makar lagna kind of body and posture, pls look at description of sri hanuman ji given in classics, in fact, makar lagna and kumbh lagna born hve got gross difference in their body structure, makar is always stout coz it's an earth sign and kumbha is lean coz it's an airy sign. You seem to hve transposed kumbha lagna qualities over makar lagna jataka.> > Pls. trust that my astro building blocks are made on your's as well as rup sir's company, rest assure that i wd do all required testing before concluding any thing.> > Regards,> Lalit. > > > vedicastrdologyandh ealing@grou ps.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > If data is suspect then even Makara chart is suspect, is that not so? Then why insist for Makara?> > > > I think most of the people of India who are more than 50 years of age know that only LMT was used in India even for many years after independence. So LMT tag is not a figment of imagination but tag of fact which may be found inconvenient by some.> > > > Whether a chart fails to explain life of swamiji is dependent upon how one looks at the chart and application of principles.> > > > If one applies numbers of days for a year which were not in existence when the science was formulated and still wants to say that its duration is proven, and then by applying those parameters a chart is tried to be shown to be wrong, nothing further can be said on such attitude. > > > > This is the reason I did not want to comment as fruitless and one sided declaration of something having been prove does not lead to addition to the knowledge of Vedic astrology.> > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:35 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, The chart is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.> > > > So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of seasoned astrologers.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on "Journal of Astrology" makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,> > > > > > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's> > > chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor> > > of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent> > > opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100> > > yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar> > > Lagna chart.> > > > > > This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami> > > Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a> > > selfish nations.> > > > > > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami> > > Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in> > > Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna> > > but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.> > > > > > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating> > > things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only> > > manipulations.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on> > > that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu> > > lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles> > > and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft : A> > > Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I> > > decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.> > > However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting> > > the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is> > > having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In> > > fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart to> > > bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to> > > Prof Rao.> > > >> > > > I m partly successful.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to> > > Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of> > > Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.> > > > >> > > > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of> > > lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was> > > long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father> > > and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but> > > the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is> > > also aspected by Mars.> > > > >> > > > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his> > > parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did> > > not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though> > > the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm> > > the physical body of mother.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft :> > > A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in> > > ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take> > > 9'th as father's house.> > > > >> > > > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.> > > > > >> > > > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is> > > conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's> > > longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.> > > > > >> > > > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its> > > dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus> > > in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the> > > 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also> > > under aspect of Mars.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft> > > : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's> > > life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and> > > placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no> > > affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto> > > 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open> > > ?> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun> > > in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident> > > person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to> > > find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the> > > year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in> > > those days.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection> > > with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my> > > times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to> > > justify one's interpretation of a chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete> > > answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' s> > > life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by> > > 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard> > > time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of> > > swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this> > > time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also> > > confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,> > > Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo> > > wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made> > > swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify> > > swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started> > > deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their> > > intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,> > > what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because> > > of a printing mistake in BVR's book.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and> > > essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who> > > dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for> > > brother narsimha it should be a learning.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Vattem> > > Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,> > > > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the> > > two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in> > > Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th> > > lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.> > > > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when> > > considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami> > > Vivekanand Life and his preachings .> > > > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in> > > jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect> > > the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy> > > Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.> > > > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various> > > bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of> > > Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if> > > not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled> > > evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides> > > light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can> > > boast of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan> > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services> > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ >> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath> > > Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin> > > with photograph of geat mother.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).> > > > > > > > > "I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my> > > knowledge."Vivekana nda> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33> > > a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti> > > festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath> > > Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered> > > generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and> > > religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had> > > practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give> > > her a son.> > > > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri> > > Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart> > > in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with> > > Saurabh our group member at his laptop.> > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami> > > ji's family back ground :> > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an> > > attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life> > > time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,> > > the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna> > > itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a> > > state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange> > > and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur> > > lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's> > > death and extraveganza ???> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in> > > dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his> > > early death.> > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart> > > you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th> > > house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology> > > classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what> > > you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed> > > in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly> > > signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.> > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad> > > financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to> > > 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon> > > in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states> > > death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a> > > reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,> > > aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few> > > months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.> > > Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there> > > inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology> > > means study of the version of BPHS available to them.> > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th> > > lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars> > > in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is> > > true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a> > > clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he> > > studied - "History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other> > > subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and> > > instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,> > > Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.> > > > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic> > > astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?> > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th> > > lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of> > > litertature, arts and music.> > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no> > > supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna> > > chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and> > > 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known> > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another> > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical> > > excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th> > > house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.> > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru> > > Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One> > > of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna> > > chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic> > > achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for> > > materialistic lust.> > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th> > > lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,> > > furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna> > > makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord> > > Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it> > > get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.> > > Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in> > > spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,> > > example is Osho.> > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th> > > house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini> > > awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within> > > before making an expresion.> > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's> > > period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house> > > of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th> > > lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the> > > form of vedanta.> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with> > > such a world tour and lectures.> > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was> > > Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also> > > happened in Rahu's period.> > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a> > > clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,> > > Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami> > > Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has> > > gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,> > > this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How> > > Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in> > > Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their> > > ability to read and understand a chart.> > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars> > > the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn> > > which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a> > > son of divine mother Kali.> > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when> > > you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur> > > clients and to peer astrologers ?????> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord> > > Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a> > > business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the> > > Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor> > > like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark> > > in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with> > > dhanu lagna.> > > > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a> > > saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,> > > where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?> > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in> > > 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire> > > of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from> > > 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's> > > interchange in 9'th and lagna.> > > > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.> > > > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,> > > published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of> > > dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book> > > on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in> > > Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu> > > lagna chart.> > > > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha> > > and everybody else.> > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"> > > <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha> > > hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of> > > astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,> > > whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,> > > believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust> > > the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha> > > innocently gone for 2nd option.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365> > > day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was> > > reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct> > > 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great> > > research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari> > > dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to> > > readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,> > > 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to> > > commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.> > > > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i> > > get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep> > > under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is> > > main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th> > > house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,> > > mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's> > > approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.> > > Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of> > > predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only> > > lahiri ayanamsa -> > > > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good> > > satisfactory rains.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search> > > posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes> > > to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots> > > are on strike.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly> > > soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn> > > conjunction.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us> > > to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit> > > according to lahiri ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology> > > groups.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary> > > aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes> > > for some other articles.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known> > > and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do> > > count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term> > > scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases> > > how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he> > > had done.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & > > > other's on Vivekananda> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -> > > use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never> > > explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and> > > morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or> > > desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri> > > Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Prashant,

 

You are not able to understand the meaning of truth, misreading the truth in

terms of obligations. If we get Swami Ji's right chart, there is no persoanal

gains for me and there is no persoanl loss to them or to you.

 

I know my duties and for the sake of this realized duty only I mildely hit

brother Narsimha, i have to bring him back to right track.

 

You people follow heroism, don't consider merit and demerit and let the truth

die, If Babu Devkinandan Sigh can quote two different horoscopes and their

origin, BV Raman could also do that, Why he has not done that?

 

How a wrong analysis is done, a wrong analysis that I understood at first sight

and when I came up with an appeal to review why Sri Chandra Shekhar ji and

Brother Narsimha without putting an effort to understand questions raised,

simply tried to ignore and even tried to give a message that it's an mis

adventure or my foolishness.

 

The wrong path of constructing a lagna from the degree where lagna falls will

throw a superb talent like Narsimha to backstage, not only all his study will go

wrong but he will further make other wrong theories, do you want this to happen

to him ? This is the right time to give him shock as a shcok only can bring him

out where he is trapped, I want him to shine and outshine.

 

Also, pls check what's your choice - do we in india should have right Birth

Chart of Swami Vivekananda or not.

 

It's your mind that makes you feel it's justified to suppress the truth just

because it will make few people wrong, It's a weakness of thinking, What's harm

in accepting a mistake, that will help astrology only.

 

You are unable to distinguish the truth, the integrity, the obligation and the

dutifulness.

 

It's not the Brother narsimha's prediction that will make me something rather

it's mother's blessings, she only guided me doing this, otherwise who m i before

KN Rao or BVR or PVR or before You, You need to understand who managed that

book's availability in my hands, whose wish was it ? Why I saw the last copy

available and opened that, which was lying there from last many months.

 

Think Deeply !

 

regards,

Lalit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela

<pkgoteti wrote:

>

> Lalit

>

> EVEN if u r tru u can't present it so brazenly, abusive with contempt on

anyone esp all pioneers, dons of the subject, just because u found one work

talking of Makara, why not so many on dhanur ?

>

> what makes u think raman doesn't know what u know, have u read his works?

magzines over the years his works my experiments with astrology is a model for

any astrologer has cluses on astrology, astrologers, demands of the subject.

>

> VALUES, DISCIPLINE, COMMITMENT against all odds even poverty he never lost his

cool or values

>

> KN RAO a great astrologer in his own right did use raman to get the limelight

and then dubbed him they way u did

>

> now u have did the same with PVN ji who had said u will be a great spiritual

person in 2016

> but with 2 riders

> curbong ur maritian traits and the time frame then

>

> which means u r not yet there.

>

> sso the path is tough, demanding for u to get there if u choose such a rigid,

arrogant path no one can he;p u, we agree or disagree with some normalcy not

such arrogance u r showing

>

> PVN was ridiculed, abused for months for givin a good write up on u, no 1

cared for the 2 riders, questioned his intregrity, crediblity etc in a few

groups there r some dedicated ppl to ridicule every reading of

his [sriram srinivas & co]

>

> and pl remember good astologers like raman had the mantra siddhi, from his

purer nature, satvic i mean

>

> he was a vedic scholar, met many spiritual, relgious personalities and their

blessings r with him aparet from all walks of life,

>

> personally I have never tolerated anyone ridiculing raman ji or swami

vivekanand both have done pipneering work and if Astrology is alive it is ramns

works alone else secular India wud have burried it.

> so to if not for swami vivekanand we wud have long been line etheopie, somalia

with christian, muslim majority ppl in eternal conflict

>

> well he has delayed it our secular india has created it for real

>

> AP, TN, KERALA, MP, ORRISA, CHATISGARH etc haveing more of christian and next

r muslims, hindus r dwindling UP is more of muslims, so we can expect that no

one else can save us from here may be 10-15 yrs Hinduism is almost dead, burrued

>

> AND WE R DISCUSSING SWAMI VIVEKANAND'S CHART ONLY ON ASTROLOGICAL RULES not on

intutuion

>

> intution works in real life situations when we are face to face with ppl as

their serious questions, born from their Karmic energy bodies, almighty line if

help is destined now we can be of help to them else someone esle may give them a

needed reading or may not get one at all can be due to not meeting the right

astgrologer for any reason beyond his control

>

> and to do dead ppl withintution is far fetched.

>

> if ur serious Makara Lagna has been analysed in sept spl issues of AM in 1971

if i remeber right, get them and study them

>

> Makara Lagna features r discussed in Jyotish vidya group when we

discussed Obamas chart

>

> and Wendy there had wroked on it as makara as she compared it withthe features

of Vic D'cara her moderator.

>

> LEAN LONG FACE!

>

> his birth certificate gives Makara lagna time

>

> KNR has used tula lagna rom his intution/sources

>

> Prashant

>

>

>  

> G B Prashant Kumar

>  

> ________________________________

> litsol <mishra.lalit

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing

> Sun, October 11, 2009 5:07:55 AM

> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Chandrashekhar Ji, God will not Forgive

You - Vivekananda's Chart !!

>

>  

> Respected Chandrashekhar Ji,

> I m at deep pain after knowing that you have made all the arguments without

opening a page of astrology books and without sitting for a minute to recall

your young age, baseless argments are a sin misled many , why did you do that ?

> Most of  my work is based on intutions and push that I get from the divinity,

Still, there is scope for me to go wrong, however, It has never happened in

spiritual matters.

> I have always been unwilling to buy - " Jyotish Ratnakar  by Babu DevakiNandan

Singh (Contemporary to B SuryaNarain Rao ), but, I happen to buy it, and to my

surprise, when I went to it's last pages, I found Swami Vivekananda' s chart

with Makar Lagna.

> The author is so honest, he refers to circulation of dhanu lagna kundali also,

he gives the reference to sources of dhanu lagna, Auther says that he has learnt

diving into water in 1898, so, we can understand that he had enough knowledge of

Swami Ji's life and work, he has clarified that a Dhanu lagna chart is printed

in a collection called " Jivani Sangrah " , he states that chart is wrong.

> He puts two logics

> 1. Swami Ji's stout body, as per the author, Lagna makar is place in 9'th

house in an earth sign of Virgo, so, quite obivios for Swami ji to have a stout

body.

> 2 Marriage : he says with dhanu lagna chart, Jup which is placed in 11'th

house, casts it's aspects on 7'th house, which must get him married.

> I also, today studied Sarawali and Jatakabharana, both the classics states in

one voice that makar lagna natives owns stout body.

> So, Chandra Shekhar Ji, it's clear that you have presented a very baised and

narrow minded view point and misguided people, it's not expected from you.

> regards,

> Lalit

>  

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashekh ar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashantkumar,

> >

> > I am glad you understand my point of view.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Chandrashekhar.

> > -

> > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:10 PM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: [VAH] Re: Success on Drive for

Vivekananda' s Chart Correction ?? 4/410

> >

> >

> >

> > dEAR CHANDRASHEKAR JI

> >

> > THIS IS TRUE all charts were in LMT in the past and most s/w work on ST but

convert the data to LMT as we used to when using Log tables or Ephemiris info

> >

> > i still get 27 deg 43 Min for same data as given by BVR in his book notable

horoscopes, same data, same result

> >

> > and why must we doubt the works of Pioneers, and one who spent thei lives in

simple living, had depth of the vedhas, puranas as well. and but for BVR no one

will be talking of Astrology anwya

> >

> > same as but for Swami Vivekandan role in spreading the greatness of Vedic

culture Hinduism wud not have got the extension to live for this long and now no

more swamis can redeem Vedic heritage is lost to missions of charity works of

make belive.

> >

> > the land that gave great seers like raja ram mohon roy, swami dayananda

saraswati, sri ramakrishna parahamsa, swami chaitanya prabhu, swami Yoganda,

swami vivekananda, aurobindo gosh etc has now got lost to maerx and missions of

charity all other figures r just irrelevant now.

> >

> > back to swami vivekananda

> >

> > well I had asled lalit to study the charts of swami ramanajucharya, swami

chandrashekara bharati and BV RAMAN too has similar chart to ramanajucharya 7th

has enough aflictions to suggest plural marriages his father had on the record

raman did not so is presence of a combination enough the yoga needs adasa and

other balas to fruit.

> >

> > and as u rightly said if the discussions is that rest of the world before us

was reubbish and take this from me....

> > well it cant be worth saving timenothing but we do take a look at the

presentation and do the needful nevertheless.

> >

> > best wishes

> >

> > G B Prashant Kumar

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

--------- ---

> > litsol mishra.lalit@ ...

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > Sun, October 4, 2009 12:15:19 AM

> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s

Chart Correction !!

> >

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > You are right, makar lagna is also doubtful, i did put that also in question

mark for at least 1- 2 hrs, bt when i found chart is capable of explaining every

aspect of life like swami ji's death, sadhana, his childlessness, poor show in

education (Had a 2nd class BA) bt exceptional command over philosphy and indian

scriptures, this ketu's quality in 5th, and when i found yogas for polygamy and

business trading etc in dhanu lagna chart, i became sure of correctnes of makar

lagna, if you hve doubt on makar lagna kind of body and posture, pls look at

description of sri hanuman ji given in classics, in fact, makar lagna and kumbh

lagna born hve got gross difference in their body structure, makar is always

stout coz it's an earth sign and kumbha is lean coz it's an airy sign. You seem

to hve transposed kumbha lagna qualities over makar lagna jataka.

> >

> > Pls. trust that my astro building blocks are made on your's as well as rup

sir's company, rest assure that i wd do all required testing before concluding

any thing.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lalit.

> >

> >

> > vedicastrdologyandh ealing@grou ps.com, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit,

> > >

> > > If data is suspect then even Makara chart is suspect, is that not so? Then

why insist for Makara?

> > >

> > > I think most of the people of India who are more than 50 years of age know

that only LMT was used in India even for many years after independence. So LMT

tag is not a figment of imagination but tag of fact which may be found

inconvenient by some.

> > >

> > > Whether a chart fails to explain life of swamiji is dependent upon how one

looks at the chart and application of principles.

> > >

> > > If one applies numbers of days for a year which were not in existence when

the science was formulated and still wants to say that its duration is proven,

and then by applying those parameters a chart is tried to be shown to be wrong,

nothing further can be said on such attitude.

> > >

> > > This is the reason I did not want to comment as fruitless and one sided

declaration of something having been prove does not lead to addition to the

knowledge of Vedic astrology.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > -

> > > litsol

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:35 AM

> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda'

s Chart Correction !!

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has

given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, The chart

is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work.

> > >

> > > So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of

seasoned astrologers.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Lalit.

> > >

> > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

<sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > >

> > > > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on " Journal of

Astrology " makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and

swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying

birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.

> > > >

> > > > Take care,

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > litsol

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM

> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s

Chart Correction !!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,

> > > >

> > > > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's

> > > > chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor

> > > > of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent

> > > > opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of

> > > > Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100

> > > > yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar

> > > > Lagna chart.

> > > >

> > > > This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami

> > > > Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a

> > > > selfish nations.

> > > >

> > > > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami

> > > > Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in

> > > > Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna

> > > > but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.

> > > >

> > > > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating

> > > > things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only

> > > > manipulations.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Lalit

> > > >

> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on

> > > > that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu

> > > > lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles

> > > > and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.

> > > > >

> > > > > Take care,

> > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > -

> > > > > litsol

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM

> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft :

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> > > > Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I

> > > > decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.

> > > > However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting

> > > > the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is

> > > > having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In

> > > > fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart to

> > > > bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to

> > > > Prof Rao.

> > > > >

> > > > > I m partly successful.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Lalit.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to

> > > > Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of

> > > > Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of

> > > > lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was

> > > > long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father

> > > > and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but

> > > > the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is

> > > > also aspected by Mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his

> > > > parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did

> > > > not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though

> > > > the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm

> > > > the physical body of mother.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM

> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft

:

> > > > A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in

> > > > ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take

> > > > 9'th as father's house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " Chandrashekhar "

> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is

> > > > conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's

> > > > longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its

> > > > dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus

> > > > in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the

> > > > 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also

> > > > under aspect of Mars.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM

> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s

Charft

> > > > : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's

> > > > life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and

> > > > placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no

> > > > affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto

> > > > 50, he died at 48 yrs of age.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open

> > > > ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

" Chandrashekhar "

> > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun

> > > > in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident

> > > > person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to

> > > > find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the

> > > > year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in

> > > > those days.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection

> > > > with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my

> > > > times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to

> > > > justify one's interpretation of a chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM

> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s

> > > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete

> > > > answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' s

> > > > life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

> > > > " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by

> > > > 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard

> > > > time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Take care,

> > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > litsol

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s

> > > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of

> > > > swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this

> > > > time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also

> > > > confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,

> > > > Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo

> > > > wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made

> > > > swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify

> > > > swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started

> > > > deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their

> > > > intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,

> > > > what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because

> > > > of a printing mistake in BVR's book.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and

> > > > essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those who

> > > > dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for

> > > > brother narsimha it should be a learning.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Vattem

> > > > Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,

> > > > > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the

> > > > two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in

> > > > Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th

> > > > lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.

> > > > > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when

> > > > considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami

> > > > Vivekanand Life and his preachings .

> > > > > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in

> > > > jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect

> > > > the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy

> > > > Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.

> > > > > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various

> > > > bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of

> > > > Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if

> > > > not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled

> > > > evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides

> > > > light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can

> > > > boast of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ >

> > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda' s

> > > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM

> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath

> > > > Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin

> > > > with photograph of geat mother.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).

> > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my

> > > > knowledge. " Vivekana nda

> > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33

> > > > a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti

> > > > festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath

> > > > Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered

> > > > generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and

> > > > religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had

> > > > practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give

> > > > her a son.

> > > > > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri

> > > > Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart

> > > > in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with

> > > > Saurabh our group member at his laptop.

> > > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami

> > > > ji's family back ground :

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an

> > > > attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life

> > > > time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,

> > > > the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna

> > > > itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a

> > > > state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange

> > > > and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur

> > > > lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's

> > > > death and extraveganza ???

> > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in

> > > > dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his

> > > > early death.

> > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart

> > > > you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th

> > > > house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology

> > > > classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, what

> > > > you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?

> > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed

> > > > in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly

> > > > signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.

> > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad

> > > > financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to

> > > > 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon

> > > > in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states

> > > > death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a

> > > > reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,

> > > > aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few

> > > > months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.

> > > > Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there

> > > > inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology

> > > > means study of the version of BPHS available to them.

> > > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th

> > > > lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars

> > > > in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is

> > > > true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a

> > > > clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he

> > > > studied - " History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other

> > > > subjects. He was also well versed in classical music, both vocal and

> > > > instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,

> > > > Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.

> > > > > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic

> > > > astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?

> > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th

> > > > lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of

> > > > litertature, arts and music.

> > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no

> > > > supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna

> > > > chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and

> > > > 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known

> > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another

> > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical

> > > > excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th

> > > > house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.

> > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru

> > > > Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One

> > > > of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna

> > > > chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in

> > > > Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic

> > > > achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for

> > > > materialistic lust.

> > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th

> > > > lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,

> > > > furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna

> > > > makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord

> > > > Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it

> > > > get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.

> > > > Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in

> > > > spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,

> > > > example is Osho.

> > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th

> > > > house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini

> > > > awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep and look within

> > > > before making an expresion.

> > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's

> > > > period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house

> > > > of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th

> > > > lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the

> > > > form of vedanta.

> > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with

> > > > such a world tour and lectures.

> > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was

> > > > Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also

> > > > happened in Rahu's period.

> > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get a

> > > > clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,

> > > > Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami

> > > > Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has

> > > > gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,

> > > > this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How

> > > > Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in

> > > > Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their

> > > > ability to read and understand a chart.

> > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars

> > > > the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn

> > > > which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a

> > > > son of divine mother Kali.

> > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when

> > > > you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur

> > > > clients and to peer astrologers ?????

> > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord

> > > > Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a

> > > > business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the

> > > > Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor

> > > > like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark

> > > > in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with

> > > > dhanu lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a

> > > > saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,

> > > > where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?

> > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in

> > > > 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire

> > > > of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from

> > > > 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's

> > > > interchange in 9'th and lagna.

> > > > > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.

> > > > > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,

> > > > published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of

> > > > dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book

> > > > on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in

> > > > Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu

> > > > lagna chart.

> > > > > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha

> > > > and everybody else.

> > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra

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> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol "

> > > > <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha

> > > > hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of

> > > > astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,

> > > > whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,

> > > > believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust

> > > > the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha

> > > > innocently gone for 2nd option.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365

> > > > day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was

> > > > reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct

> > > > 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great

> > > > research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari

> > > > dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to

> > > > readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,

> > > > 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to

> > > > commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.

> > > > > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, i

> > > > get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep

> > > > under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is

> > > > main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th

> > > > house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,

> > > > mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's

> > > > approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.

> > > > Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of

> > > > predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only

> > > > lahiri ayanamsa -

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good

> > > > satisfactory rains.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search

> > > > posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes

> > > > to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots

> > > > are on strike.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly

> > > > soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn

> > > > conjunction.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us

> > > > to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit

> > > > according to lahiri ayanamsa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology

> > > > groups.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary

> > > > aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known astrologes

> > > > for some other articles.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,

> > > > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known

> > > > and B V Raman ji too has used in the Notable horoscopes. surely they do

> > > > count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term

> > > > scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases

> > > > how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he

> > > > had done.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha &

> > > > other's on Vivekananda

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -

> > > > use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never

> > > > explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and

> > > > morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or

> > > > desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri

> > > > Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear chandrashekar ji

 

this is true, it must never be one blind man misleading another blindman and RAMAN is the very light of modern jyotishya with the bext of boththe western research mind and traditional wisdom.

 

whose pioneering 2ork needs no certificate from mortals like us. it may be fashionable to bash the big names and claim some space that will be short lived if it does. as this will close the doors of openess, sharing from good heareted ppl and only psychophants can remain in such spaces. truth must be pleaseltly presented

 

and B V RAMAN ji also has worekd on Bhavartha rathanakara

 

and above all reading books after books in now ay to get the grounding right read a few and start to strengthen urself on its foundation ones satvik lifestyle, HUMILITY [is implict] work in tru spirit of shaping the course of troubled souls that truns to as blessings to the astrologers will sharpen our tools the almighty's grace inthe form of INTUTIOn will always hadd its edge to our knowledge

 

a good astrological prediction is like a Equiladetral triange

 

a sincere person with a issue/concern/question [fo a good event at least]

 

a well qualified, simple, humble astrologer

 

and ALMIGHTY if in sync willgive the right result else some answer proprotional to the missing equiladetral triange will be there and must NEVER BE CONFUSED withte real results

 

which time will tell how close it was.

 

ramans works shows he was way ahead of most of us.

 

PVN ji has ben simple huble and given his works free for all to share Jhora where he cud make a fortune. he never stopped at a simple s/w has put in more than any commercial work

 

Lalit we wish u well but remeber without the grace o f almighty and the gurus we r nowhere.

 

prashant

G B Prashant Kumar

 

 

 

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekharVedic Astrologyandhealing Sent: Sun, October 11, 2009 11:40:03 PMRe: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Chandrashekhar Ji, God will not Forgive You - Vivekananda's Chart !!

 

 

Dear Lalit,

 

I had told you that I do not want to get into any sort of argument on this count. But I have read your comments about me and PVR Narasimharao not having read astrological texts. I detest this sort of accusation without knowing what we have read or not. I must therefore respond to your accusations.

 

Your assumption that you are the only one who has read Devakinandan' s "Jyotish Ratnakar" is patently wrong. By the way Devakinandan has said that he got the chart no. 32, that you are trying to present as one that is identical to what you present (it is not), from one of his friends and that it does not mention the time of birth. I think you ,who accuse others of not reading a page of astrology books have yourself not read what the author has said.

 

As far as Jyotish Ratnakar is concerned, it acknowledges that the data of birth available does give Dhanu lagna. However it prints the chart received from a friend of the author and gives Ravi in Makara (Capricorn) on 12th of January for the chart that it has reproduced on an assumed time.

 

Now I hope anybody with even a bit of knowledge of astronomy/astrology knows that Ravi does not enter Makara rasi till 14th of January. That being the case, I do not understand how the chart given in Jyotish Ratnakar supports your theory of that being the correct chart.

 

Assuming for the sake of argument that the chart given is based on tropical norms, Sun would be in 21 degrees 22" and odd seconds and not 0 degrees 0" and 15' as indicated in "Jyotish Ratnakar."

 

I hope you will understand that only trying to take names of texts without reading them through and trying to prove your own theories by using some sort of convoluted logic and use of impolite language does not serve any purpose and as to misguiding people, I am sure those of the readers who get a copy of Jyotish Ratnakar and read it through will understand for themselves who is misguiding them under the garb of intuition and divinity as against a finite science.

 

For information of those who would want to get at the truth of who is right, I am giving the address of the Publishers of Jyotish Ratnakar so that they can obtain a copy of the said book and find out for themselves the truth.

 

This is the last mail I will be writing on this group as I do not think I should be a meek spectator when respected astrologers of yesteryears are shown utmost disrespect by the moderator himself and where instead of Jyotish, a divine science, is reduced to claims of intuition and so called divinity.

 

Before I close, let me assure you that your writing God will not forgive you implying you are God is the height of hypocrisy and as far from divinity that you claim to possess and proclaim from rooftops, as possible. God believes in truth and not pretensions.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

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[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Chandrashekhar Ji, God will not Forgive You - Vivekananda' s Chart !!

 

Respected Chandrashekhar Ji,

I m at deep pain after knowing that you have made all the arguments without opening a page of astrology books and without sitting for a minute to recall your young age, baseless argments are a sin misled many , why did you do that ?

Most of my work is based on intutions and push that I get from the divinity, Still, there is scope for me to go wrong, however, It has never happened in spiritual matters.

I have always been unwilling to buy - "Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu DevakiNandan Singh (Contemporary to B SuryaNarain Rao ), but, I happen to buy it, and to my surprise, when I went to it's last pages, I found Swami Vivekananda' s chart with Makar Lagna.

The author is so honest, he refers to circulation of dhanu lagna kundali also, he gives the reference to sources of dhanu lagna, Auther says that he has learnt diving into water in 1898, so, we can understand that he had enough knowledge of Swami Ji's life and work, he has clarified that a Dhanu lagna chart is printed in a collection called "Jivani Sangrah", he states that chart is wrong.

He puts two logics

1. Swami Ji's stout body, as per the author, Lagna makar is place in 9'th house in an earth sign of Virgo, so, quite obivios for Swami ji to have a stout body.

2 Marriage : he says with dhanu lagna chart, Jup which is placed in 11'th house, casts it's aspects on 7'th house, which must get him married.

I also, today studied Sarawali and Jatakabharana, both the classics states in one voice that makar lagna natives owns stout body.

So, Chandra Shekhar Ji, it's clear that you have presented a very baised and narrow minded view point and misguided people, it's not expected from you.

regards,Lalit

 

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashekh ar wrote:>> Dear Prashantkumar,> > I am glad you understand my point of view.> > Take care,> Chandrashekhar.> - > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > Sunday, October 04, 2009 5:10 PM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: [VAH] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction ?? 4/410> > > > dEAR CHANDRASHEKAR JI> > THIS IS TRUE all charts were in LMT in the past and most s/w work on ST but convert the data to LMT as we used to when using Log tables or Ephemiris info> > i still get 27 deg 43 Min for same data as given by BVR in his book notable horoscopes, same data, same result> > and why must we doubt

the works of Pioneers, and one who spent thei lives in simple living, had depth of the vedhas, puranas as well. and but for BVR no one will be talking of Astrology anwya> > same as but for Swami Vivekandan role in spreading the greatness of Vedic culture Hinduism wud not have got the extension to live for this long and now no more swamis can redeem Vedic heritage is lost to missions of charity works of make belive.> > the land that gave great seers like raja ram mohon roy, swami dayananda saraswati, sri ramakrishna parahamsa, swami chaitanya prabhu, swami Yoganda, swami vivekananda, aurobindo gosh etc has now got lost to maerx and missions of charity all other figures r just irrelevant now.> > back to swami vivekananda> > well I had asled lalit to study the charts of swami ramanajucharya, swami chandrashekara bharati and BV RAMAN too has similar chart to ramanajucharya 7th has enough aflictions to

suggest plural marriages his father had on the record raman did not so is presence of a combination enough the yoga needs adasa and other balas to fruit.> > and as u rightly said if the discussions is that rest of the world before us was reubbish and take this from me....> well it cant be worth saving timenothing but we do take a look at the presentation and do the needful nevertheless.> > best wishes> > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---> litsol mishra.lalit@ ...> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> Sun, October 4, 2009 12:15:19 AM> [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > Dear Sir,> > You are right, makar lagna is also doubtful, i did put that also in

question mark for at least 1- 2 hrs, bt when i found chart is capable of explaining every aspect of life like swami ji's death, sadhana, his childlessness, poor show in education (Had a 2nd class BA) bt exceptional command over philosphy and indian scriptures, this ketu's quality in 5th, and when i found yogas for polygamy and business trading etc in dhanu lagna chart, i became sure of correctnes of makar lagna, if you hve doubt on makar lagna kind of body and posture, pls look at description of sri hanuman ji given in classics, in fact, makar lagna and kumbh lagna born hve got gross difference in their body structure, makar is always stout coz it's an earth sign and kumbha is lean coz it's an airy sign. You seem to hve transposed kumbha lagna qualities over makar lagna jataka.> > Pls. trust that my astro building blocks are made on your's as well as rup sir's company, rest assure that i wd do all required testing before concluding any

thing.> > Regards,> Lalit. > > > vedicastrdologyandh ealing@grou ps.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote:> >> > Dear Lalit,> > > > If data is suspect then even Makara chart is suspect, is that not so? Then why insist for Makara?> > > > I think most of the people of India who are more than 50 years of age know that only LMT was used in India even for many years after independence. So LMT tag is not a figment of imagination but tag of fact which may be found inconvenient by some.> > > > Whether a chart fails to explain life of swamiji is dependent upon how one looks at the chart and application of principles.> > > > If one applies numbers of days for a year which were not in existence when the science was formulated and still wants to say that its duration is proven, and then by

applying those parameters a chart is tried to be shown to be wrong, nothing further can be said on such attitude. > > > > This is the reason I did not want to comment as fruitless and one sided declaration of something having been prove does not lead to addition to the knowledge of Vedic astrology.> > > > Take care,> > Chandrashekhar.> > - > > litsol > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:35 AM> > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that BVR has given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, The chart is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and

work.> > > > So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of seasoned astrologers.> > > > regards,> > Lalit.> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > I do not think that mere publication of an opinion on "Journal of Astrology" makes the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them.> > > > > > Take care,> > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > - > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > Sent:

Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM> > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !!> > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers,> > > > > > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting corrected Swami Ji's> > > chart has got recognized, Just now in a talk over phone from an editor> > > of Journal of Astrology, I m conveyed that they will publish independent> > > opinion on Swami ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100> > > yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to Makar> > > Lagna chart.> > > > > > This was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of

Swami> > > Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a> > > selfish nations.> > > > > > In a personal mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami> > > Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in> > > Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu lagna> > > but remained open to support Makar Lagna placements.> > > > > > I m happy, few people like GB Prashant dared writing stupid humilating> > > things to me .... what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only> > > manipulations.> > > > > > regards,> > > Lalit> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > >

>> > > > Dear Lalit,> > > >> > > > I have already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on> > > that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate Dhanu> > > lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the jyotish principles> > > and also my own observations from the many charts that I have read.> > > >> > > > Take care,> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > litsol> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM> > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft : A> > > Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > >

>> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and Rup Sir, So, I> > > decided to stop discussion as you sometime take it on personal ground.> > > However, PVR Narsimha whom you acknowledged as authority is supporting> > > the makara lagna chart's planetary placement. only difference he is> > > having with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In> > > fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart to> > > bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of introspection to> > > Prof Rao.> > > >> > > > I m partly successful.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > > Lalit.> > > >> > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe

aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > >> > > > > It is interesting that you have not replied as to how the blemish to> > > Chandra that is applicable for Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of> > > Lagna to Makara. Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast.> > > > >> > > > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. Lord of> > > lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka so mother was> > > long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun who is karaka for father> > > and also lord of the 9th indicating the father is by itself strong but> > > the 8th from it is aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is> > > also aspected by

Mars.> > > > >> > > > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his> > > parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he did> > > not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to Chandra, though> > > the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi did not allow it to harm> > > the physical body of mother.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Take care,> > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > >> > > > > -> > > > > litsol> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM> > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda'

s Charft :> > > A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in> > > ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we take> > > 9'th as father's house.> > > > >> > > > > This is the last query, i m putting to get answered by you.> > > > >> > > > > regards,> > > > > Lalit.> > > > >> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > >> > > > > > I

do not want to start an argument that leads nowhere.> > > > > >> > > > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or Makara Moon still is> > > conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of Mercury, so his mother's> > > longevity does not prove his Lagna being Makara.> > > > > >> > > > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its> > > dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong Venus> > > in house of its friend saturn giving good health to mother, whereas the> > > 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars and its dispositor is also> > > under aspect of Mars.> > > > > >> > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > Chandrashekhar> > > > > >> > > > > >> >

> > > > -> > > > > > litsol> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 1:36 AM> > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft> > > : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > Why same lower Life expectency is not applicable to his Mother's> > > life span, she lived for 70 yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and> > > placement in inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no> > > affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live upto> > > 50, he died at 48 yrs of

age.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of questions to answer, all are open> > > ?> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit> > > > > >> > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Chandrashekhar"> > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. Sun> > > in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very confident> > > person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I think if you try to> > > find out what was the life expectancy in Bengal, in India, around the> >

> year 1863, you may change your views about what was short life term in> > > those days.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is why I would advise not to take some sort of connection> > > with events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my> > > times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years to> > > justify one's interpretation of a chart.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -> > > > > > > litsol> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29,

2009 11:54 PM> > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Where is scope for making assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete> > > answers to those 9-10 points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' s> > > life, Family and mission as well his and his father and guru's death.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > "Chandrashekhar" <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote:>

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dr. Raman is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by> > > 6.33 a.m. in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard> > > time was used not only then but for some time after independence too.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Take care,> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -> > > > > > > > litsol>

> > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM> > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time of> > > swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV Raman, we took this> > > time fron his book - '300 notable horoscopes', further, wikipedia also> > > confims this time given by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake,> > > Though, BVR gives 6.33 am, which gives makar

lagna, he printed a horo> > > wth dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made> > > swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to justify> > > swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they conviently started> > > deriving other wrong theories, in their efforts to showcase their> > > intelligence. This is a blunder that has happend in 100 yrs of time,> > > what a pity, that, swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because> > > of a printing mistake in BVR's book.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Will you not laugh now after knowing the sensenal truth and> > > essence. Pls. cross check wth notable horoscopes.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and others, those

who> > > dont look at their mistakes, dont check what they are doing, and for> > > brother narsimha it should be a learning.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Vattem> > > Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji,> > > > > > > > > The son of mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the> > > two lagnas Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in> > > Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as 5th> > > lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas.>

> > > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along with D2 when> > > considered sagittarus has a better say in the way the life of Shri Swami> > > Vivekanand Life and his preachings .> > > > > > > > > As yet whether it is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in> > > jyoish or we only go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect> > > the life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy> > > Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians.> > > > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how various> > > bhavas with different lagnas have different perspectives in the life of> > > Swamy ji.His life and teachings in any case have profound influnece if> > > not by way of analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and

thrilled> > > evry one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides> > > light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country can> > > boast of> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan> > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services> > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services)> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ >> > > > > > > > > Subject:

[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda' s> > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !!> > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > Monday, September 28, 2009, 3:05 PM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As a symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath> > > Datt, whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin> > > with photograph of geat mother.> > > >

> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi (1841-1911).> > > > > > > > > "I am indebted to my mother for the efflorescence of my> > > knowledge."Vivekana nda> > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33> > > a.m on Monday, 12 January 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti> > > festival, was given the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath> > > Datta was an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered> > > generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and> > > religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and had> > > practiced austerities

and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of Varanasi to give> > > her a son.> > > > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri> > > Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's chart> > > in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it crosschecked with> > > Saurabh our group member at his laptop.> > > > > > > > > Let's check the validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami> > > ji's family back ground :> > > > > > > > > 1. Father's Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an> > > attorney, spent all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life> > > time, He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun,> > > the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in lagna> > > itself denotes

a father's death and leaving him in a deprived state, a> > > state in day to day meals was difficult to manage ? this is challange> > > and open question to those indian vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur> > > lagna chart ? what astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's> > > death and extraveganza ???> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in> > > dhanu, this shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his> > > early death.> > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart> > > you get saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th> > > house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology> > > classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence,

what> > > you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ?> > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get 4'th lord mars placed> > > in 4'th house which receives Jup's aspect from 10'th house, this clearly> > > signifies the superb qualities of that swami ji's mother had.> > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad> > > financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction to> > > 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn conjunct moon> > > in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and 11'th houses, clearly states> > > death of siblings, and Moon's conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a> > > reason for sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house,> > > aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of

sisgter's died within few> > > months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora Prakash.> > > Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna chart is there> > > inadequate study of astro classics, they seem to think vedic astrology> > > means study of the version of BPHS available to them.> > > > > > > > > 4. Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th> > > lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars> > > in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this is> > > true, Swamiji should get technical education at least mathematics, in a> > > clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated in Arts, he was a BA, he> > > studied - "History, the social sciences, arts, literature, and other> > > subjects. He was also well versed in

classical music, both vocal and> > > instrumental and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads,> > > Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan.> > > > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic> > > astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ?> > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and 10'th> > > lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given him education of> > > litertature, arts and music.> > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, you get no> > > supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th houses, but with Makar lagna> > > chart, you get, 3rd lord going to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and> > > 6'th house, morevor, 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known> > >

configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another> > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in physical> > > excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, further, Saturn from 9'th> > > house aspects 6'th house, clearly indicating, long bout of sickness.> > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru> > > Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( One> > > of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with Dhanu lagna> > > chart, there is no connection between 5'th and 9'th lord, rather, in> > > Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great temptation and binding to materialistic> > > achievements, Jup in 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for> > > materialistic lust.> > > > > > > > > With Makar

Lagna chart, you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th> > > lord Merc in lagna itself, which is a rarest of rare configuration,> > > furthermore, Venus is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna> > > makes one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord> > > Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There it> > > get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional spiritual chart.> > > Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and 8'th lord has no role in> > > spiritual achievments, It's limited to take one into maya of mysticism,> > > example is Osho.> > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, you get ketu in 5'th> > > house, making swami ji a siddha mantra sadhaka, leading him to kundalini> > > awakening and also giving him qualities to think deep

and look within> > > before making an expresion.> > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and Lectures : This has happened in Jup's> > > period, in Makar lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house> > > of karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th> > > lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in the> > > form of vedanta.> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with> > > such a world tour and lectures.> > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it was> > > Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's death also> > > happened in Rahu's period.> > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You get

a> > > clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a native to polygamy,> > > Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery of vedic astrology and Swami> > > Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has> > > gone to 2nd house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever,> > > this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). How> > > Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence of poligamy in> > > Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a question mark in their> > > ability to read and understand a chart.> > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars> > > the 4'th lord, aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn> > > which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him

a> > > son of divine mother Kali.> > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when> > > you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to ur> > > clients and to peer astrologers ?????> > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and 10'th lord> > > Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this combination makes him a> > > business man, a trader, Further to that, Jup is in libra (tula) the> > > Lagna and 4'th lord, in 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor> > > like Bill Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark> > > in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born with> > > dhanu lagna.> > > > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami

Vivekananda a> > > saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a sage,> > > where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart ?> > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in> > > 4'th forming Ruchaka Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire> > > of kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from> > > 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th lord's> > > interchange in 9'th and lagna.> > > > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all.> > > > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of Journal of Astrology,> > > published by Prof K. N Rao, he got stunned when i draw the difference of> > > dhanu and makar lagna chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has

written a book> > > on Indian Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in> > > Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in dhanu> > > lagna chart.> > > > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha> > > and everybody else.> > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes !!> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"> > > <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Prashant,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl including brother narsimha> > > hve not examined minutely the life and work of swami ji wth the help of> > > astrology, simply they believed the popular chart is correct, bt,> > > whenever, they went deep into the chart, they could see differences,> > > believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust> > > the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother Narsimha> > > innocently gone for 2nd option.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365> > > day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i was> > > reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express star teller's oct> > > 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari dasa superior and a great> > > research, he conveniently ignores chart's configurations and vimshottari> > > dasa pattern along wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to> > > readers particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972,> > > 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to> > > commit suicide next day 21st jan 97.> > > > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha

analyzed my chart and helped me, i> > > get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not to so deep> > > under the impression of his current spiritual mentor, this influence is> > > main reason behind brother narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th> > > house puts you in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour,> > > mystism is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's> > > approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better.> > > Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy of> > > predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, i used only> > > lahiri ayanamsa -> > > > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, good> > > satisfactory rains.> > > > > > > > >

>> > > > > > > > > > Above was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search> > > posting wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes> > > to return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots> > > are on strike.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in chinese geo region.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial reforms, govt to make social friendly> > > soft policy and major financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn> > > conjunction.> > > > > > > > > >> > >

> > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in india.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war to come back, us> > > to not to able to stop iran, again prediction was done in jun - july.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Everything was based on 365 days vimshottari and transit> > > according to lahiri ayanamsa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers discuss in astrology> > > groups.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary> > > aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known

astrologes> > > for some other articles.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Lalit> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com,> > > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela pkgoteti@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of Dhanur Lagna is well known> > > and B V Raman ji too has used in the

Notable horoscopes. surely they do> > > count a lot more and PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term> > > scale with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases> > > how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the faultlines?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works well. even ur case study he> > > had done.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant Kumar> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@> > > > > >

> > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com> > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:56:32 AM> > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & > > > other's on Vivekananda> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a correction -> > > use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart of dhanur lagna wd never> > > explan life, work and mission of swamiji, bt, he has not understood and> > > morever, he is originating further wrong theories, what a pity !!> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > One should understand best

spiritual missiönaries or> > > desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - Sri> > > Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon Founder ).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Lalit.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>