Guest guest Posted October 12, 2009 Report Share Posted October 12, 2009 Javed, A typical Pakistani Character !! I remember, how you came to know about your future, You are not required here, goto pig Sunil Nair and show ur sympathy to him. They disgruntled minds, those who conspires against Lord Ram's sacredness will always get a kick, that I had given. I know the real face under a mask, He and Srinadh plotted a henious conspiracy on integrity and sacredness against Ramayana, Ashwamedha Yagya and Ram's birth which i defoled because I had courage. Now, you wont exist here. Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , javed khaanzada <javed_khaanzada wrote: > > Namaste Chandrashekhar Sir, > > I am silent observer of few groups of vedic astrology since,2005.I found Lalit who knows nothing but always posed him the Master of Vedic Astrology,yes he is a master of NOTHING. > > I still remeber how how he used dirty language for Sunil Nair sir,and few other respected and most experienced astrologers,in past. > > I am keenly observing Lalit since last few years,I am confident that he is a serious psycho case,but I want to use MAD for him,its a correct word for him,he should be in mental hospital,till he got normal. > > Such persons are the Black Sheeps in the groups. > > He says, " Most of my work is based on intutions " ,he should use " Most of my work is based on madness " > > I dont know how is family members are living with such a mad person,I only can pray for them. > > Kindly ignore such mad person's foolish remarks for you. > > Regds-javed > Pakistan. > > --- On Sun, 11/10/09, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: > > Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Chandrashekhar Ji, God will not Forgive You - Vivekananda's Chart !! > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sunday, 11 October, 2009, 11:10 PM > > > Dear Lalit, > > I had told you that I do not want to get into any sort of > argument on this count. But I have read your comments about me and PVR > Narasimharao not having read astrological texts. I detest this sort of > accusation without knowing what we have read or not. I must therefore respond to > your accusations. > > Your assumption that you are the only one who has read > Devakinandan' s " Jyotish Ratnakar " is patently wrong. By the way Devakinandan has > said that he got the chart no. 32, that you are trying to present as one that is > identical to what you present (it is not), from one of his friends and that > it does not mention the time of birth. I think you ,who accuse others of not > reading a page of astrology books have yourself not read what the author has > said. > > As far as Jyotish Ratnakar is concerned, it acknowledges > that the data of birth available does give Dhanu lagna. However it prints the > chart received from a friend of the author and gives Ravi in Makara > (Capricorn) on 12th of January for the chart that it has reproduced on an > assumed time. > > Now I hope anybody with even a bit of knowledge of > astronomy/astrology knows that Ravi does not enter Makara rasi till 14th of > January. That being the case, I do not understand how the chart given in Jyotish > Ratnakar supports your theory of that being the correct chart. > > > Assuming for the sake of argument that the chart given is > based on tropical norms, Sun would be in 21 degrees 22 " and odd seconds and > not 0 degrees 0 " and 15' as indicated in " Jyotish Ratnakar. " > > I hope you will understand that only trying to take names > of texts without reading them through and trying to prove your own theories by > using some sort of convoluted logic and use of impolite language does not serve > any purpose and as to misguiding people, I am sure those of the readers who get > a copy of Jyotish Ratnakar and read it through will understand for themselves > who is misguiding them under the garb of intuition and divinity as against a > finite science. > > For information of those who would want to get at the > truth of who is right, I am giving the address of the Publishers of Jyotish > Ratnakar so that they can obtain a copy of the said book and find out for > themselves the truth. > > This is the last mail I will be writing on this group as I > do not think I should be a meek spectator when respected astrologers of > yesteryears are shown utmost disrespect by the moderator himself and where > instead of Jyotish, a divine science, is reduced to claims of intuition and so > called divinity. > > Before I close, let me assure you that your writing God > will not forgive you implying you are God is the height of hypocrisy and as far > from divinity that you claim to possess and proclaim from rooftops, as possible. > God believes in truth and not pretensions. > > Chandrashekhar. > > Publishers: MLBD.COM > Motilal Banarsidass Publishers Private > Limited > A-44, Naraina Industrial Area, Phase - > I, > New Delhi-110 028 > (INDIA) > Tel: > (91-11) 25795180, 25792734, 25793423 > Fax: (91-11) 25797221, > 23850689 > Email : > mlbd > > > - > > litsol > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:07 > AM > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] > Chandrashekhar Ji, God will not Forgive You - Vivekananda' s Chart !! > > > > > Respected Chandrashekhar Ji, > I m at deep pain after knowing that you have made all the arguments without > opening a page of astrology books and without sitting for a minute to recall > your young age, baseless argments are a sin misled many , why did you do > that ? > Most of my work is based on intutions and push that I get from the > divinity, Still, there is scope for me to go wrong, however, It has never > happened in spiritual matters. > I have always been unwilling to buy - " Jyotish Ratnakar by Babu > DevakiNandan Singh (Contemporary to B SuryaNarain Rao ), but, I happen to buy > it, and to my surprise, when I went to it's last pages, I found > Swami Vivekananda' s chart with Makar Lagna. > The author is so honest, he refers to circulation of dhanu lagna kundali > also, he gives the reference to sources of dhanu lagna, Auther says that he > has learnt diving into water in 1898, so, we can understand that he had enough > knowledge of Swami Ji's life and work, he has clarified that a Dhanu lagna > chart is printed in a collection called " Jivani Sangrah " , he states that chart > is wrong. > He puts two logics > 1. Swami Ji's stout body, as per the author, Lagna makar is place in 9'th > house in an earth sign of Virgo, so, quite obivios for Swami ji to have a > stout body. > 2 Marriage : he says with dhanu lagna chart, Jup which is placed in 11'th > house, casts it's aspects on 7'th house, which must get him married. > I also, today studied Sarawali and Jatakabharana, both the classics states > in one voice that makar lagna natives owns stout body. > So, Chandra Shekhar Ji, it's clear that you have presented a very baised > and narrow minded view point and misguided people, it's not expected from > you. > regards, > Lalit > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashekh ar@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Prashantkumar, > > > > I am glad you understand my point of > view. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > ----- > Original Message ----- > > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Sunday, > October 04, 2009 5:10 PM > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: > [VAH] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction ?? > 4/410 > > > > > > > > dEAR CHANDRASHEKAR JI > > > > > THIS IS TRUE all charts were in LMT in the past and most s/w work on > ST but convert the data to LMT as we used to when using Log tables or > Ephemiris info > > > > i still get 27 deg 43 Min for same data as > given by BVR in his book notable horoscopes, same data, same result > > > > > and why must we doubt the works of Pioneers, and one who spent thei > lives in simple living, had depth of the vedhas, puranas as well. and but for > BVR no one will be talking of Astrology anwya > > > > same as but for > Swami Vivekandan role in spreading the greatness of Vedic culture Hinduism wud > not have got the extension to live for this long and now no more swamis can > redeem Vedic heritage is lost to missions of charity works of make > belive. > > > > the land that gave great seers like raja ram mohon > roy, swami dayananda saraswati, sri ramakrishna parahamsa, swami chaitanya > prabhu, swami Yoganda, swami vivekananda, aurobindo gosh etc has now got lost > to maerx and missions of charity all other figures r just irrelevant > now. > > > > back to swami vivekananda > > > > well I had > asled lalit to study the charts of swami ramanajucharya, swami chandrashekara > bharati and BV RAMAN too has similar chart to ramanajucharya 7th has enough > aflictions to suggest plural marriages his father had on the record raman did > not so is presence of a combination enough the yoga needs adasa and other > balas to fruit. > > > > and as u rightly said if the discussions is > that rest of the world before us was reubbish and take this from > me.... > > well it cant be worth saving timenothing but we do take a look > at the presentation and do the needful nevertheless. > > > > best > wishes > > > > G B Prashant Kumar > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --- > > > litsol mishra.lalit@ ... > > To: > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > Sun, October > 4, 2009 12:15:19 AM > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: > Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart Correction !! > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > You are right, makar lagna is also > doubtful, i did put that also in question mark for at least 1- 2 hrs, bt when > i found chart is capable of explaining every aspect of life like swami ji's > death, sadhana, his childlessness, poor show in education (Had a 2nd class BA) > bt exceptional command over philosphy and indian scriptures, this ketu's > quality in 5th, and when i found yogas for polygamy and business trading etc > in dhanu lagna chart, i became sure of correctnes of makar lagna, if you hve > doubt on makar lagna kind of body and posture, pls look at description of sri > hanuman ji given in classics, in fact, makar lagna and kumbh lagna born hve > got gross difference in their body structure, makar is always stout coz it's > an earth sign and kumbha is lean coz it's an airy sign. You seem to hve > transposed kumbha lagna qualities over makar lagna jataka. > > > > > Pls. trust that my astro building blocks are made on your's as well as rup > sir's company, rest assure that i wd do all required testing before concluding > any thing. > > > > Regards, > > Lalit. > > > > > > > vedicastrdologyandh ealing@grou ps.com, " Chandrashekhar " > <sharma.chandrashek har@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear > Lalit, > > > > > > If data is suspect then even Makara chart is > suspect, is that not so? Then why insist for Makara? > > > > > > > I think most of the people of India who are more than 50 years of age > know that only LMT was used in India even for many years after independence. > So LMT tag is not a figment of imagination but tag of fact which may be found > inconvenient by some. > > > > > > Whether a chart fails to > explain life of swamiji is dependent upon how one looks at the chart and > application of principles. > > > > > > If one applies numbers > of days for a year which were not in existence when the science was formulated > and still wants to say that its duration is proven, and then by applying those > parameters a chart is tried to be shown to be wrong, nothing further can be > said on such attitude. > > > > > > This is the reason I did > not want to comment as fruitless and one sided declaration of something having > been prove does not lead to addition to the knowledge of Vedic > astrology. > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > - > > > > litsol > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > > Saturday, October 03, 2009 1:35 AM > > > Subject: > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart > Correction !! > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > Data itself is doubtful, it's mere an one sided imagination that > BVR has given data wit LMT tag ? why he had not mentioned that ? and moreover, > The chart is failed to explain Swami Ji's life and work. > > > > > > > So, it's a big achievement that the Makar lagna has got attention of > seasoned astrologers. > > > > > > regards, > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, " Chandrashekhar " <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > I do > not think that mere publication of an opinion on " Journal of Astrology " makes > the Lagna as Makara when the data gives Dhanu lagna and swamiji's body fits > that lagna. Too many people are in habit of rectifying birth-time without any > apparent reason and this only appears to be one of them. > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > litsol > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > > > Friday, October 02, 2009 11:01 AM > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Success on Drive for Vivekananda' s Chart > Correction !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Res Sri Chandrashekhar Ji and Group's Sr Astrologers, > > > > > > > > > A WoW moment has come, The effort for getting > corrected Swami Ji's > > > > chart has got recognized, Just now in a > talk over phone from an editor > > > > of Journal of Astrology, I m > conveyed that they will publish independent > > > > opinion on Swami > ji's chart , inspite of Prof K.N Rao's acceptance of > > > > Dhanu > Lagna chart, They said that they never have second thought on 100 > > > > > yrs old chart but now they feel there is a need to give space to > Makar > > > > Lagna chart. > > > > > > > > This > was my objective, India must have true and correct chart of Swami > > > > > Ji, If we dont review both the charts and validate them, we are a > > > > > selfish nations. > > > > > > > > In a personal > mail, Brother Narsimha has suggested that Venus in Swami > > > > > Ji's chart is a maraka as per Rudramsa theory, so, Swami Ji's death in > > > > > Jup - Venus period is justified... however, still he accepts Dhanu > lagna > > > > but remained open to support Makar Lagna > placements. > > > > > > > > I m happy, few people like GB > Prashant dared writing stupid humilating > > > > things to me .... > what to expect from such a shop keeper, they know only > > > > > manipulations. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ s.com, " Chandrashekhar " > > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > I have > already indicated that even if PVR supports Makara, I differ on > > > > > that account as the very body and posture of swamiji indicate > Dhanu > > > > lagna, besides other reasons that are based on the > jyotish principles > > > > and also my own observations from the > many charts that I have read. > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message > ----- > > > > > litsol > > > > > To: > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > > > Sent: > Friday, October 02, 2009 12:25 AM > > > > > Subject: > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft : A > > > > > Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > I respect you a lot, I learnt basics from you and > Rup Sir, So, I > > > > decided to stop discussion as you sometime > take it on personal ground. > > > > However, PVR Narsimha whom you > acknowledged as authority is supporting > > > > the makara lagna > chart's planetary placement. only difference he is > > > > having > with me is Lagna, he started calculating lagna in a wrong way, In > > > > > fact, I highlighted diffects of Swami Vivekananda' s accepted chart > to > > > > bring him back to correct path and to give a chance of > introspection to > > > > Prof Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > I m partly successful. > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > " Chandrashekhar " > > > > sharma.chandrashekh ar@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is interesting that you have not replied > as to how the blemish to > > > > Chandra that is applicable for > Dhanu lagna is removed with shifting of > > > > Lagna to Makara. > Neither Shani nor Chandra move that fast. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have already replied that query, if you care to read it. > Lord of > > > > lagna in 8th from itself gives good health to jataka > so mother was > > > > long-lived. In father's case the 8th from Sun > who is karaka for father > > > > and also lord of the 9th indicating > the father is by itself strong but > > > > the 8th from it is > aspected by strong malefic Mars and its dispositor is > > > > also > aspected by Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually the day Vivekananda took Sanyas, his relations with his > > > > > parents ended as a Sanyasi. So even though his mother was alive he > did > > > > not have happiness of mother as indicated by blemish to > Chandra, though > > > > the 8th lord from Chandra occupying own rasi > did not allow it to harm > > > > the physical body of > mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > litsol > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > > > > > Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:38 AM > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' s > Charft : > > > > A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others > !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > But with this logic, why father died so early and left family in > > > > > ultimate poverty, Sun is 9'th lord, placed in lagna only, if we > take > > > > 9'th as father's house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the last query, i m putting to get > answered by you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com, " Chandrashekhar " > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do > not want to start an argument that leads nowhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However whether the lagna is Dhanu or > Makara Moon still is > > > > conjunct Saturn and in inimical sign of > Mercury, so his mother's > > > > longevity does not prove his Lagna > being Makara. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way his 4th lord is in 8th from self giving and its > > > > > dispositor Mercury is unafflicted and in conjunction with a strong > Venus > > > > in house of its friend saturn giving good health to > mother, whereas the > > > > 8th from his 9th lord has aspect of Mars > and its dispositor is also > > > > under aspect of Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > Original Message ----- > > > > > > > litsol > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com > > > > > > > Wednesday, September 30, 2009 > 1:36 AM > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] > Re: Swami Vivekananda' s Charft > > > > : A Comparative Study for > PVR Narsimha and Others !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why same lower Life expectency is > not applicable to his Mother's > > > > life span, she lived for 70 > yrs despite moon's affliction Saturn and > > > > placement in > inimical sign of merc, and on the contrary, Sun has no > > > > > affliction and Sun is 9'th lord also, still, father could not live > upto > > > > 50, he died at 48 yrs of age. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart has bundles of > questions to answer, all are open > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > " Chandrashekhar " > > > > <sharma.chandrashek har@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many interpretations to how the events are viewed. > Sun > > > > in Lagna does not indicate long living father but a very > confident > > > > person who may be influenced by father or Guru. I > think if you try to > > > > find out what was the life expectancy in > Bengal, in India, around the > > > > year 1863, you may change your > views about what was short life term in > > > > those days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is > why I would advise not to take some sort of connection > > > > with > events to the chart to be a method of proving a chart right. In my > > > > > times I have seen birth time being shifted by as much as 2 years > to > > > > justify one's interpretation of a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take > care, > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > litsol > > > > > > > > To: > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:54 PM > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami Vivekananda' > s > > > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others > !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is scope for making > assumptions ? I w'd seek concrete > > > > answers to those 9-10 > points that i raised to compare Vivekananda' s > > > > life, Family > and mission as well his and his father and guru's death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ s.com, > > > > " Chandrashekhar " > <sharma.chandrashek har@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Raman > is not wrong. His generation knew what it meant by > > > > 6.33 a.m. > in Kolkata in relation with the GMT since LMT and not standard > > > > > time was used not only then but for some time after independence > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > litsol > > > > > > > > > To: > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: Swami > Vivekananda' s > > > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha > and Others !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It wd be surprising to know for you and all, that the time > of > > > > swami ji's birth - 6.33 am, is given by only Sri BV > Raman, we took this > > > > time fron his book - '300 notable > horoscopes', further, wikipedia also > > > > confims this time given > by BVR, Now, there is a printing mistake, > > > > Though, BVR gives > 6.33 am, which gives makar lagna, he printed a horo > > > > wth > dhanu lagna, may be a manual mistake, and our astrologers never made > > > > > swami ji's horo wth the time given by BVR, rather, went on to > justify > > > > swami ji's life wth a wrong horo, moreover, they > conviently started > > > > deriving other wrong theories, in their > efforts to showcase their > > > > intelligence. This is a blunder > that has happend in 100 yrs of time, > > > > what a pity, that, > swami ji's right horo is getting ignored just because > > > > of a > printing mistake in BVR's book. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will you not laugh now after > knowing the sensenal truth and > > > > essence. Pls. cross check wth > notable horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What i should respond to Mr. prashant and > others, those who > > > > dont look at their mistakes, dont check > what they are doing, and for > > > > brother narsimha it should be a > learning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, > Vattem > > > > Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shri Lalit Ji, > > > > > > > > > > The son of > mother divine Kali was nicely explained.of the > > > > two lagnas > Dhanur and Capricorn,I find influence of moon and mars in > > > > > Makara natives more.where as Dhnur Lgna with jupiter as lord mars as > 5th > > > > lord and sun as 9th lord reflect Dharma bhavas. > > > > > > > > > > > Now the Bhava charts,dwadasamsas along > with D2 when > > > > considered sagittarus has a better say in the > way the life of Shri Swami > > > > Vivekanand Life and his > preachings . > > > > > > > > > > As yet whether it > is ayanamsa that decides crucial issues in > > > > jyoish or we only > go by the way visionaries namely sun and moon reflect > > > > the > life pattern.yet the case is unique as it is of the Case of Swamy > > > > > Vivekanand ji,who made all of us as proud Indians. > > > > > > > > > > > Taking up the case in a comparitive convinces how > various > > > > bhavas with different lagnas have different > perspectives in the life of > > > > Swamy ji.His life and teachings > in any case have profound influnece if > > > > not by way of > analysis vedic sciences.He has enlightened and thrilled > > > > evry > one of us and His School of Thoughts of Hindu Religions provides > > > > > light on Hindu Philosophy as unique and gret personality the country > can > > > > boast of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > > > > > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 9/28/09, litsol <mishra.lalit@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol <mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Swami Vivekananda' s > > > > > Charft : A Comparative Study for PVR Narsimha and Others !! > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ > s.com > > > > > > > > > > Monday, September > 28, 2009, 3:05 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a > symbol of our respect to great mother of Narendra Nath > > > > Datt, > whose horoscope we are going to analyse in this article, We begin > > > > > with photograph of geat mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhuvaneshwari Devi > (1841-1911). > > > > > > > > > > " I am indebted to > my mother for the efflorescence of my > > > > knowledge. " Vivekana > nda > > > > > > > > > > Swami Vivekananda was born > in Shimla Pally, Calcutta at 6:33 > > > > a.m on Monday, 12 January > 1863, during the eve of Makra Sankranti > > > > festival, was given > the name Narendranath Datta. His father Vishwanath > > > > Datta was > an attorney of Calcutta High Court. He was considered > > > > > generous, and had a liberal and progressive outlook in social and > > > > > religious matters. His mother Bhuvaneshwari Devi was pious and > had > > > > practiced austerities and prayed to Vireshwar Shiva of > Varanasi to give > > > > her a son. > > > > > > > > > > > If u make a chart with above timings applying Lahiri > > > > > Ayanamsa you get Makar lagna with 1.5 degrees, I made swami ji's > chart > > > > in Kundaly and www.planetarypositi ons.com , got it > crosschecked with > > > > Saurabh our group member at his > laptop. > > > > > > > > > > Let's check the > validity of dhanur lagna chart with swami > > > > ji's family back > ground : > > > > > > > > > > 1. Father's > Generousity and extraveganza : Father was an > > > > attorney, spent > all his savings and even immovable prperty in his life > > > > time, > He died young in age of 48, with dhanur lagna chart you get Sun, > > > > > the 9'th lord is in placed in lagna, can such a superb Sun in > lagna > > > > itself denotes a father's death and leaving him in a > deprived state, a > > > > state in day to day meals was difficult to > manage ? this is challange > > > > and open question to those indian > vedic astrologers who advocates dhanur > > > > lagna chart ? what > astrology principle supports Swami ji's father's > > > > death and > extraveganza ??? > > > > > > > > > > Well, with > Makar lagna chart, you get Sun in 12'th house in > > > > dhanu, this > shows an eminent father and his expenses as well as his > > > > > early death. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Mother's > Influence and persona : with dhanur lagna chart > > > > you get > saturn and moon in 10'th house and 4'th lord jup going 11'th > > > > > house, which is 8'th from 4'th house of mother, what vedic astrology > > > > > classic supports such a mother with a strong perosna and influence, > what > > > > you understand if saturn aspects 4'th house ? > > > > > > > > > > > Well, with Makar lagna chart, you get > 4'th lord mars placed > > > > in 4'th house which receives Jup's > aspect from 10'th house, this clearly > > > > signifies the superb > qualities of that swami ji's mother had. > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Sibling's death : Swami ji's sister also died in a bad > > > > > financial condition, with Dhanur lagna chart, there is no affliction > to > > > > 3rd house whereas with Makar Lagna chart, you find Saturn > conjunct moon > > > > in 9'th house, Saturn's aspect on 3rd and > 11'th houses, clearly states > > > > death of siblings, and Moon's > conjunction to Saturn in 9'th is always a > > > > reason for > sister's death. In my chart, moon is placed in 9'th house, > > > > > aspected by saturn from 3rd house, my one of sisgter's died within few > > > > > months of her birth, You can find such a shloka in Shambhu Hora > Prakash. > > > > Major problem with those who advocates Dhanu lagna > chart is there > > > > inadequate study of astro classics, they seem > to think vedic astrology > > > > means study of the version of BPHS > available to them. > > > > > > > > > > 4. > Education : With Dhanu lagna chart, you get Mars as 5'th > > > > > lord in 5'th house, which receives Jup's aspect from 11'th house, Mars > > > > > in 5'th house what sort of education gives ? Ask yourself ? If this > is > > > > true, Swamiji should get technical education at least > mathematics, in a > > > > clear contrast to this, Swami Ji graduated > in Arts, he was a BA, he > > > > studied - " History, the social > sciences, arts, literature, and other > > > > subjects. He was also > well versed in classical music, both vocal and > > > > instrumental > and is said to have undergone training under two Ustads, > > > > > Beni Gupta and Ahamad Khan. > > > > > > > > > > > Mars and Music, what a great discovery by indian vedic > > > > > astrologer's in Swami Vivekananda' s Chart ? > > > > > > > > > > > With Makar lagna chart, You get, Venus the 5'th and > 10'th > > > > lord is conjunct with 9'th lord merc, this has given > him education of > > > > litertature, arts and music. > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sports and Sickness : With Dhanu lagna, > you get no > > > > supportive influence on 4'th, 5'th and 6'th > houses, but with Makar lagna > > > > chart, you get, 3rd lord going > to 10'th house and aspecting 4'th and > > > > 6'th house, morevor, > 6'th lord is moved to Lagna, this is well known > > > > > configuration for one to be good in sports and yoga. It has another > > > > > aspect also, 6'th lord though makes one interested in > physical > > > > excercises and yoga but it gives sickness too, > further, Saturn from 9'th > > > > house aspects 6'th house, clearly > indicating, long bout of sickness. > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Spirituality and Poorva Punya : It's seen by his guru > > > > > Thakur Ramakrishna Paramhansha that Swami Ji infact a Shapt Rishi ( > One > > > > of great 7 sages of indian spiritual mythology) , with > Dhanu lagna > > > > chart, there is no connection between 5'th and > 9'th lord, rather, in > > > > Dhanu Lagna chart, you get great > temptation and binding to materialistic > > > > achievements, Jup in > 11'th house is infamous for hidden lust for > > > > materialistic > lust. > > > > > > > > > > With Makar Lagna chart, > you get, 5'th lord Venus and 9'th > > > > lord Merc in lagna itself, > which is a rarest of rare configuration, > > > > furthermore, Venus > is 10'th lord also, 10'th lord's placement in lagna > > > > makes > one a Karma Yogi, Count more, in Makar lagna chart, Lagna lord > > > > > Saturn goes to 9'th house of religion and Guru's blessings, There > it > > > > get's conjunction of Moon to declare it a exceptional > spiritual chart. > > > > Mind it for ur betterment, 8'th house and > 8'th lord has no role in > > > > spiritual achievments, It's limited > to take one into maya of mysticism, > > > > example is Osho. > > > > > > > > > > > And above all, with Makar lagna chart, > you get ketu in 5'th > > > > house, making swami ji a siddha mantra > sadhaka, leading him to kundalini > > > > awakening and also giving > him qualities to think deep and look within > > > > before making an > expresion. > > > > > > > > > > 7. World Tour and > Lectures : This has happened in Jup's > > > > period, in Makar > lagna, Jup is 3rd and 12'th lord, placed in 10'th house > > > > of > karma, He became greatest orator of modern times, because of 12'th > > > > > lordship, he went on world tour to spread true vedic spirituality in > the > > > > form of vedanta. > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu lagna chart, astrology finds no connection with > > > > > such a world tour and lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > 8. Guru's death : With Makar lagna chart, I think it > was > > > > Rahu's dasa when Guru Ramkrishna died and his father's > death also > > > > happened in Rahu's period. > > > > > > > > > > > 9. Celibacy Vs Poligamy : With Dhanu Lagna chart, You > get a > > > > clear combination for multiple marriages, putting a > native to polygamy, > > > > Swami ji's dhanu lagna chart is mockery > of vedic astrology and Swami > > > > Ji's life. In Dhanu lagna > chart, You get 7'th and 10'th lord mercury has > > > > gone to 2nd > house, this gives relationship with multiple women, morever, > > > > > this Merc is conjunct with Venus the 11'th lord of desires (Kamana). > How > > > > Indian astrologer could see celibacy and ignore presence > of poligamy in > > > > Swami Ji's chart with Dhanu Lagna chart is a > question mark in their > > > > ability to read and understand a > chart. > > > > > > > > > > Now, let's have a > serious look at Makar lagna chart, Mars > > > > the 4'th lord, > aspects 7'th house, and 7'th lord moon conjuncts Saturn > > > > > which is lagna lord and this combination in 9'th house has made him a > > > > > son of divine mother Kali. > > > > > > > > > > > 10. Business Empire Vs Renunciation : Can you answer, when > > > > > you find 11'th and 10'th lord in 2nd house, what you suggest to > ur > > > > clients and to peer astrologers ????? > > > > > > > > > > > With Dhanu Lagna chart, Swami ji get's 7'th and > 10'th lord > > > > Merc conjunct with 11'th lord Venus, this > combination makes him a > > > > business man, a trader, Further to > that, Jup is in libra (tula) the > > > > Lagna and 4'th lord, in > 11'th house, So, he should be a business emperor > > > > like Bill > Gates, isn't it ? This underlines a big n vivid question mark > > > > > in abilities of those astrologers who declares Swami ji was born > with > > > > dhanu lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > Hardly there is a combination to make Swami Vivekananda a > > > > > saint, Have you ever seen a person with Rahu in 12'th becomes a > sage, > > > > where is renunciation present in dhanu lagna chart > ? > > > > > > > > > > Now, Look at Makar Lagna > chart, the Ketu in 5'th and Mars in > > > > 4'th forming Ruchaka > Mahapurush Yoga, generating the divine serpent fire > > > > of > kundalini with the blessing of Guru, note Jup aspect this mars from > > > > > 10'th house and has 12'th lordship also, Next note lagna and 9'th > lord's > > > > interchange in 9'th and lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > I trust, it's eye opening to you all. > > > > > > > > > > > I met mr Deepak Bisaria, the editor of > Journal of Astrology, > > > > published by Prof K. N Rao, he got > stunned when i draw the difference of > > > > dhanu and makar lagna > chart of Swami Vivekananda. He has written a book > > > > on Indian > Marriages and I asked him to locate multiple marriages in > > > > > Swami ji's chart, he had to accept presence of this combination in > dhanu > > > > lagna chart. > > > > > > > > > > > Hope It's sufficient to Mr. Prashant and Brother Narsimha > > > > > and everybody else. > > > > > > > > > > > regards and best wishes !! > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > In Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, " litsol " > > > > > <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. > Prashant, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a disconnect, Many ppl > including brother narsimha > > > > hve not examined minutely the > life and work of swami ji wth the help of > > > > astrology, simply > they believed the popular chart is correct, bt, > > > > whenever, > they went deep into the chart, they could see differences, > > > > > believing chart is correct, önly option left is to correct or adjust > > > > > the astrology tools and analysis. What i feel brother > Narsimha > > > > innocently gone for 2nd option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Major mistake many ppl are doing is, ignoring the 365 > > > > > day's based vimshottari, which needs micro research, just now i > was > > > > reading an article written by rohni ranjan in express > star teller's oct > > > > 2009 issue, in order to prove ashtottari > dasa superior and a great > > > > research, he conveniently ignores > chart's configurations and vimshottari > > > > dasa pattern along > wth transit effects, this is quite misleading to > > > > readers > particular thos who admires him. Note Down : 16th Jan 1972, > > > > > 23.05 ist, mumbai, the guy got divorced on 20th Jan 1997 and tried to > > > > > commit suicide next day 21st jan 97. > > > > > > > > > > > > These things are distracting to astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Becoz, brother narsimha analyzed my chart and helped me, > i > > > > get pain to see he is going off track, i told him to not > to so deep > > > > under the impression of his current spiritual > mentor, this influence is > > > > main reason behind brother > narsimha's distraction, overly activated 8th > > > > house puts you > in deep and intense attraction for mystic glamour, > > > > mystism > is not always pure form of spirituality. prof K. N Rao's > > > > > approach of studying spiritual mission in a given chart is far better. > > > > > Why lahiri's ayanamsa is best amöng all is, look at accuracy > of > > > > predictions that i made in last 3 months, in this group, > i used only > > > > lahiri ayanamsa - > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Delayed bt good rains in india, after 17 - 19 aug, > good > > > > satisfactory rains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Above > was done on 22nd jun and again on 12th aup, search > > > > posting > wth tittle 'two landmark predictions' . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. > Prediction about strikes wti tittle - 'age of strikes > > > > to > return', it was done in jun- july 2009, even today air india pilots > > > > > are on strike. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Earth quakes in > chinese geo region. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4. Tax and financial > reforms, govt to make social friendly > > > > soft policy and major > financial scams. This is result of sun - saturn > > > > > conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Fall of communists in > india. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6. Age of nuclear activities and cold war > to come back, us > > > > to not to able to stop iran, again > prediction was done in jun - july. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything was > based on 365 days vimshottari and transit > > > > according to > lahiri ayanamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I m surpised wht they astrologers > discuss in astrology > > > > groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hve almost completed study of strength of planetary > > > > > aspects in a chart, hve got enf horoscopes used by well known > astrologes > > > > for some other articles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe > aling@ s.com, > > > > Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela > pkgoteti@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear > Lalit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Swami vivkkanand's chart of > Dhanur Lagna is well known > > > > and B V Raman ji too has used in > the Notable horoscopes. surely they do > > > > count a lot more and > PVN ji has also rated ur case v high on a long term > > > > scale > with2 riders in it. so if he is not good to read the swami's cases > > > > > how abt ur case? which has divided many ppl accross the > faultlines? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do respect PVN ji 's works > well. even ur case study he > > > > had done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G B Prashant > Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ > _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > > > > > litsol mishra.lalit@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, September 27, 2009 > 1:56:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: > [Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] PVR Narsimha & > > > > other's on > Vivekananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In two mails to Narsimha, i asked to do a > correction - > > > > use right birth data of Swami Ji as wrong chart > of dhanur lagna wd never > > > > explan life, work and mission of > swamiji, bt, he has not understood and > > > > morever, he is > originating further wrong theories, what a pity !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should understand best spiritual missiönaries or > > > > > desciples are born wth makar ( capricorn ) lagna, hve a look - > Sri > > > > Hanuman Ji, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Prabhu Pad ( Iskon > Founder ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New Email names for you! > Get the Email name you & #39;ve always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. > Hurry before someone else does! > http://mail.promotions./newdomains/aa/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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