Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Mukunda This is a very relative concept. Sometimes some raj yogs are made in transit or gochar charts also. If lagnesh is aspecting the lagna and chaturtesh is also placed or aspecting the lagna, dhanesh is very strong and karmesh is also very strong, this makes a good politicians. HARESH(HARRY)NATHANI VEDIC ASTROLOGER CELL +91 9867214103 Subscribe on this link http://in.Chandra-AdityaAstroRemedies For Professional Paid Consultancy mail request for charges to haresh1405/hareshgnathani or call +91 9867214103 Skype id haree14 sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of MukundaB Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:11 PM sohamsa Politicians? Dear Gurujis, Can you advise me as to what combination produces POLITICIANS? mukunda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2009 Report Share Posted December 30, 2009 I would like to post my views in very simple format not in Hi-Fi methodologies like of Arudha, Char Karakas etc etc... Following points are only my researches… 1) Ra is the MAIN signification of POLITICS. 2) Sa is the Karaka of Karma. 3) 10'th house stands for Karma. 4) Su is the significator of leadership. 5) Ra not only influences the planets where it sits but it also influences alot to planets which go in angle to it. (I didn't take any aspect theory of Ra) 6) Mo is the main Planet which converts politician in Mass-Leader 7) Capricorn stands for Masses and Cancer stands for motherly sentiments. (I don't use western ZODIAC SYSTEM) Examples:- (Pl CONSIDER BHAVA- CHALITA OF CUSP FOR FOLLOWING EXAMPLES) Lets take example of Politicians of England – A) Tony Blair :- Ra in trine to Sa, He also had big support of masses So Ra was before Mo and Sa in trines to both Mo and Sa. So he was the great mass leader. Ra+ Mo are also in the Rashis of Masses ie Capricornus. He could have been Mass leader like Mahatma Gandhi but he just missed Ra+Mo in 10'th but he has influenced entire world. B) Marget Thatcher :- Ra in 10'th and in Bhava Chalita Mo is also in tenth. She ruled over in Eng for a big period but she also saw big defeat as she could not become mass leader as Sa didn't aspect Ra+ Mo in tenth and Mo was not in Cancer or Capricorn. C) Mahatma Gandhi (Biggest mass leader of 20'th Cent) – Ra+Mo in tenth in Rashi of Cancer (ie of Sentiments and it is also opposite to the Rashi of Masses ie Capricornus) and Sa in trine to tenth (where Ra+Mo are there) ie in 2'nd . D) Gordon Brown :- Sa in axis of Ra-Ke but he is not mass leader, only a politician. Mo in Cancer but Sa with Ra+Ke in Leo-Aquarius axis. E) Adolf Hitler :- Ra in 10'th, Sa is just after Ra and Mo is in axis of Ra-Ke F) Vladimir Putin 10'th in Axis of Ra-Ke Sa and Mo are in trine to Ra…. And he has been Mass Leader of Russia and he will again come to power as he has taken birth for the same….. He has influenced entire world. Ra+Su produce only corrupt leaders, not mass leader or Politician and their empire anytime use to fall… In Pervej Musharraf Chart Ra devoured Ma in Leo in tenth so he became politician and undertook power by Military Coup but failed to sense feeling of Masses as Mo is not in picture and Sa is not in trine to Ra,,,, so he remained as Military Person, not Politician…. Regs, Prashant Pandey , " Marg " <margie9 wrote: I would say that a Maharaja yoga or a Mahaparivartana yoga are usually seen in the chat of politician's but are also seen in the charts of those at the head of corporate or large businesses, so then look for prominent Venus and Mars, especially in angles or connected to them, and also look for strong shadbala for these two planets. Jupiter is often connected to Venus or it's signs in charts of politicians. best wishes M - MukundaB Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:57 PM Politicians? Dear Gurujis, Can you advise me as to what combination produces POLITICIANS? mukunda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Nice study, pointed crisp conclusion. Regards, Lalit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " prashant " <praspandey wrote: > > I would like to post my views in very simple format not in Hi-Fi methodologies like of Arudha, Char Karakas etc etc... > > Following points are only my researches > > 1) Ra is the MAIN signification of POLITICS. > > 2) Sa is the Karaka of Karma. > > 3) 10'th house stands for Karma. > > 4) Su is the significator of leadership. > > 5) Ra not only influences the planets where it sits but it also influences alot to planets which go in angle to it. (I didn't take any aspect theory of Ra) > > 6) Mo is the main Planet which converts politician in Mass-Leader > > 7) Capricorn stands for Masses and Cancer stands for motherly sentiments. > > (I don't use western ZODIAC SYSTEM) > > Examples:- > > (Pl CONSIDER BHAVA- CHALITA OF CUSP FOR FOLLOWING EXAMPLES) > > Lets take example of Politicians of England > > A) Tony Blair :- > > Ra in trine to Sa, He also had big support of masses So Ra was before Mo and Sa in trines to both Mo and Sa. So he was the great mass leader. > > Ra+ Mo are also in the Rashis of Masses ie Capricornus. > > He could have been Mass leader like Mahatma Gandhi but he just missed Ra+Mo in 10'th but he has influenced entire world. > > B) Marget Thatcher :- > > Ra in 10'th and in Bhava Chalita Mo is also in tenth. She ruled over in Eng for a big period but she also saw big defeat as she could not become mass leader as Sa didn't aspect Ra+ Mo in tenth and Mo was not in Cancer or Capricorn. > > C) Mahatma Gandhi (Biggest mass leader of 20'th Cent) > > Ra+Mo in tenth in Rashi of Cancer (ie of Sentiments and it is also opposite to the Rashi of Masses ie Capricornus) and Sa in trine to tenth (where Ra+Mo are there) ie in 2'nd . > > D) Gordon Brown :- > > Sa in axis of Ra-Ke but he is not mass leader, only a politician. > > Mo in Cancer but Sa with Ra+Ke in Leo-Aquarius axis. > > E) Adolf Hitler :- > > Ra in 10'th, Sa is just after Ra and Mo is in axis of Ra-Ke > > F) Vladimir Putin > > 10'th in Axis of Ra-Ke > > Sa and Mo are in trine to Ra. And he has been Mass Leader of Russia and he will again come to power as he has taken birth for the same.. > > He has influenced entire world. > > Ra+Su produce only corrupt leaders, not mass leader or Politician and their empire anytime use to fall > > In Pervej Musharraf Chart Ra devoured Ma in Leo in tenth so he became politician and undertook power by Military Coup but failed to sense feeling of Masses as Mo is not in picture and Sa is not in trine to Ra,,,, so he remained as Military Person, not Politician. > > Regs, > Prashant Pandey > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > I would say that a Maharaja yoga or a Mahaparivartana yoga are usually seen in the chat of politician's but are also seen in the charts of those at the head of corporate or large businesses, so then look for prominent Venus and Mars, especially in angles or connected to them, and also look for strong shadbala for these two planets. Jupiter is often connected to Venus or it's signs in charts of politicians. > best wishes > M > - > MukundaB > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:57 PM > Politicians? > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > Can you advise me as to what combination produces POLITICIANS? > mukunda > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Shri Lalitji, One Typo - ******************************************************************** << B) Marget Thatcher :- Ra in 10'th and in Bhava Chalita Mo is also in tenth. She ruled over in Eng for a big period but she also saw big defeat as she could not become mass leader as Sa didn't aspect Ra+ Mo in tenth and Mo was not in Cancer or Capricorn. >> B) Marget Thatcher :- Ra in 10'th and in Bhava Chalita Mo is also in tenth. She ruled over in Eng for a big period but she also saw big defeat as she could not become mass leader as Sa is not in trines to Ra+ Mo and Mo was not in Cancer or Capricorn. ******************************************************************** Mishraji, I was thinking just now that who is the current personality, who has influenced whole world with emotions like a mass leader. Immediately one name came to my mind Angelina Joliee. I made her chart and found that all the points were working well in Bhava Chalita(Cusp) which I have written down (I have found that Bhava Chalita of Cusp works well). Basically the points which I have written, if those points one find in chart of any native, then that native use to be master of how he/she has to place her/his place in hearts of ppl, Mahatma Gandhiji (Bapuji ) was master of it and now Angelina ! Interesting thing in Angelina's chart is, Ve has taken over, charge for influencing the entire world as being in Cancer Rashi. And we know Ve stands for what and Cancer for what... Negative aspect of Sa has been sucked by Ve, though Sa is going in Lagna in Bhava Chalita, I have also seen that Ve is a Charismatic planet which sucks all negative aspect of Sa+Ma yuti, if those use to be together. Otherwise Sa+Ma yuti gives set backs for native everywhere, mostly at working place. Ra is a magical planet, one may see that how Ra makes a person GREAT Mass-Leaders of centuries… Regs, Prashant Pandey Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > > Nice study, pointed crisp conclusion. > > Regards, > Lalit > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " prashant " <praspandey@> wrote: > > > > I would like to post my views in very simple format not in Hi-Fi methodologies like of Arudha, Char Karakas etc etc... > > > > Following points are only my researches > > > > 1) Ra is the MAIN signification of POLITICS. > > > > 2) Sa is the Karaka of Karma. > > > > 3) 10'th house stands for Karma. > > > > 4) Su is the significator of leadership. > > > > 5) Ra not only influences the planets where it sits but it also influences alot to planets which go in angle to it. (I didn't take any aspect theory of Ra) > > > > 6) Mo is the main Planet which converts politician in Mass-Leader > > > > 7) Capricorn stands for Masses and Cancer stands for motherly sentiments. > > > > (I don't use western ZODIAC SYSTEM) > > > > Examples:- > > > > (Pl CONSIDER BHAVA- CHALITA OF CUSP FOR FOLLOWING EXAMPLES) > > > > Lets take example of Politicians of England > > > > A) Tony Blair :- > > > > Ra in trine to Sa, He also had big support of masses So Ra was before Mo and Sa in trines to both Mo and Sa. So he was the great mass leader. > > > > Ra+ Mo are also in the Rashis of Masses ie Capricornus. > > > > He could have been Mass leader like Mahatma Gandhi but he just missed Ra+Mo in 10'th but he has influenced entire world. > > > > B) Marget Thatcher :- > > > > Ra in 10'th and in Bhava Chalita Mo is also in tenth. She ruled over in Eng for a big period but she also saw big defeat as she could not become mass leader as Sa didn't aspect Ra+ Mo in tenth and Mo was not in Cancer or Capricorn. > > > > C) Mahatma Gandhi (Biggest mass leader of 20'th Cent) > > > > Ra+Mo in tenth in Rashi of Cancer (ie of Sentiments and it is also opposite to the Rashi of Masses ie Capricornus) and Sa in trine to tenth (where Ra+Mo are there) ie in 2'nd . > > > > D) Gordon Brown :- > > > > Sa in axis of Ra-Ke but he is not mass leader, only a politician. > > > > Mo in Cancer but Sa with Ra+Ke in Leo-Aquarius axis. > > > > E) Adolf Hitler :- > > > > Ra in 10'th, Sa is just after Ra and Mo is in axis of Ra-Ke > > > > F) Vladimir Putin > > > > 10'th in Axis of Ra-Ke > > > > Sa and Mo are in trine to Ra. And he has been Mass Leader of Russia and he will again come to power as he has taken birth for the same.. > > > > He has influenced entire world. > > > > Ra+Su produce only corrupt leaders, not mass leader or Politician and their empire anytime use to fall > > > > In Pervej Musharraf Chart Ra devoured Ma in Leo in tenth so he became politician and undertook power by Military Coup but failed to sense feeling of Masses as Mo is not in picture and Sa is not in trine to Ra,,,, so he remained as Military Person, not Politician. > > > > Regs, > > Prashant Pandey > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > I would say that a Maharaja yoga or a Mahaparivartana yoga are usually seen in the chat of politician's but are also seen in the charts of those at the head of corporate or large businesses, so then look for prominent Venus and Mars, especially in angles or connected to them, and also look for strong shadbala for these two planets. Jupiter is often connected to Venus or it's signs in charts of politicians. > > best wishes > > M > > - > > MukundaB > > > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:57 PM > > Politicians? > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > Can you advise me as to what combination produces POLITICIANS? > > mukunda > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Dear Prashant, I wonder how you got these celebrities real charts, Moon and Karka definitely shows publicity quotient of a native whereas Capricorn shows receptiveness of mass, Your's conclusion is very very logical and true. Good work indeed !! regards, Lalit Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " prashant " <praspandey wrote: > > Shri Lalitji, > > One Typo - > > ******************************************************************** > > << B) Marget Thatcher :- > > Ra in 10'th and in Bhava Chalita Mo is also in tenth. She ruled over in Eng for a big period but she also saw big defeat as she could not become mass leader as Sa didn't aspect Ra+ Mo in tenth and Mo was not in Cancer or Capricorn. >> > > B) Marget Thatcher :- > > Ra in 10'th and in Bhava Chalita Mo is also in tenth. She ruled over in Eng for a big period but she also saw big defeat as she could not become mass leader as Sa is not in trines to Ra+ Mo and Mo was not in Cancer or Capricorn. > > ******************************************************************** > > Mishraji, I was thinking just now that who is the current personality, who has influenced whole world with emotions like a mass leader. > > Immediately one name came to my mind Angelina Joliee. I made her chart and found that all the points were working well in Bhava Chalita(Cusp) which I have written down (I have found that Bhava Chalita of Cusp works well). Basically the points which I have written, if those points one find in chart of any native, then that native use to be master of how he/she has to place her/his place in hearts of ppl, Mahatma Gandhiji (Bapuji ) was master of it and now Angelina ! > > Interesting thing in Angelina's chart is, Ve has taken over, charge for influencing the entire world as being in Cancer Rashi. And we know Ve stands for what and Cancer for what... > > Negative aspect of Sa has been sucked by Ve, though Sa is going in Lagna in Bhava Chalita, > > I have also seen that Ve is a Charismatic planet which sucks all negative aspect of Sa+Ma yuti, if those use to be together. Otherwise Sa+Ma yuti gives set backs for native everywhere, mostly at working place. > > Ra is a magical planet, one may see that how Ra makes a person GREAT Mass-Leaders of centuries… > > Regs, > Prashant Pandey > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit@> wrote: > > > > > > Nice study, pointed crisp conclusion. > > > > Regards, > > Lalit > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " prashant " <praspandey@> wrote: > > > > > > I would like to post my views in very simple format not in Hi-Fi methodologies like of Arudha, Char Karakas etc etc... > > > > > > Following points are only my researches > > > > > > 1) Ra is the MAIN signification of POLITICS. > > > > > > 2) Sa is the Karaka of Karma. > > > > > > 3) 10'th house stands for Karma. > > > > > > 4) Su is the significator of leadership. > > > > > > 5) Ra not only influences the planets where it sits but it also influences alot to planets which go in angle to it. (I didn't take any aspect theory of Ra) > > > > > > 6) Mo is the main Planet which converts politician in Mass-Leader > > > > > > 7) Capricorn stands for Masses and Cancer stands for motherly sentiments. > > > > > > (I don't use western ZODIAC SYSTEM) > > > > > > Examples:- > > > > > > (Pl CONSIDER BHAVA- CHALITA OF CUSP FOR FOLLOWING EXAMPLES) > > > > > > Lets take example of Politicians of England > > > > > > A) Tony Blair :- > > > > > > Ra in trine to Sa, He also had big support of masses So Ra was before Mo and Sa in trines to both Mo and Sa. So he was the great mass leader. > > > > > > Ra+ Mo are also in the Rashis of Masses ie Capricornus. > > > > > > He could have been Mass leader like Mahatma Gandhi but he just missed Ra+Mo in 10'th but he has influenced entire world. > > > > > > B) Marget Thatcher :- > > > > > > Ra in 10'th and in Bhava Chalita Mo is also in tenth. She ruled over in Eng for a big period but she also saw big defeat as she could not become mass leader as Sa didn't aspect Ra+ Mo in tenth and Mo was not in Cancer or Capricorn. > > > > > > C) Mahatma Gandhi (Biggest mass leader of 20'th Cent) > > > > > > Ra+Mo in tenth in Rashi of Cancer (ie of Sentiments and it is also opposite to the Rashi of Masses ie Capricornus) and Sa in trine to tenth (where Ra+Mo are there) ie in 2'nd . > > > > > > D) Gordon Brown :- > > > > > > Sa in axis of Ra-Ke but he is not mass leader, only a politician. > > > > > > Mo in Cancer but Sa with Ra+Ke in Leo-Aquarius axis. > > > > > > E) Adolf Hitler :- > > > > > > Ra in 10'th, Sa is just after Ra and Mo is in axis of Ra-Ke > > > > > > F) Vladimir Putin > > > > > > 10'th in Axis of Ra-Ke > > > > > > Sa and Mo are in trine to Ra. And he has been Mass Leader of Russia and he will again come to power as he has taken birth for the same.. > > > > > > He has influenced entire world. > > > > > > Ra+Su produce only corrupt leaders, not mass leader or Politician and their empire anytime use to fall > > > > > > In Pervej Musharraf Chart Ra devoured Ma in Leo in tenth so he became politician and undertook power by Military Coup but failed to sense feeling of Masses as Mo is not in picture and Sa is not in trine to Ra,,,, so he remained as Military Person, not Politician. > > > > > > Regs, > > > Prashant Pandey > > > > > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > > > > > I would say that a Maharaja yoga or a Mahaparivartana yoga are usually seen in the chat of politician's but are also seen in the charts of those at the head of corporate or large businesses, so then look for prominent Venus and Mars, especially in angles or connected to them, and also look for strong shadbala for these two planets. Jupiter is often connected to Venus or it's signs in charts of politicians. > > > best wishes > > > M > > > - > > > MukundaB > > > > > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:57 PM > > > Politicians? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > > > > > Can you advise me as to what combination produces POLITICIANS? > > > mukunda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Indian_Astrology_Group_Daily_Digest , " prashant " <praspandey wrote: Shri Imranji, Thanks for your views! Mahatma Gandhi was in-fact mass leader of entire world and whereever he got opportunity to work he did and influenced public by his work. Sa in second made him speechless (he didn't influence by speech) but by his Karma and thing which I have explain is related to his 10'th house. All top politicians of world (Like Great Mr Mandela and currently Obama) want to have supporters like of him just to become invincible in politics. Otherwise in India when rallies use to be held now-a-days, public use to be paid, just to gather mob…But behind Gandhiji, ppl used to run … He was extreme case of having mass support and Ra(KARAKA of POLITICS) did that MAGIC! Regs, Prashant Pandey , " astroimran " <astroimran@> wrote: Dear Prashant Pandey, Very good observations. But I'm afraid the title/subject of " politicians " is not pertinent to the discussed matter. It seems that the concept of " leaders " and " rulers " are intermingled. Nonetheless, both are distinct characteristics. For example, Hitler was not a political leader but was a tyrant ruler. On the other hand, Gandhi was never been a ruler, however he is still regarded a great leader of India. Besides, your illustrations rightly infer that Rahu is often misunderstood as evil planet. However, when it comes to yield, it is often measureless whatever be the walk of life, as Rahu is limitless. Sambandhi with Saturn, Rahu may catapult one to the peak of public business or working with/for masses i.e. politics. Last but not the least is the neglected concept of Arudha that reveals the urge and capacity of mount one's image among the others. As a whole you did a praiseworthy effort, that should be applauded. Sincerely, M. Imran , " prashant " <praspandey@> wrote: > > I would like to post my views in very simple format not in Hi-Fi methodologies like of Arudha, Char Karakas etc etc... > > Following points are only my researches… > > 1) Ra is the MAIN signification of POLITICS. > > 2) Sa is the Karaka of Karma. > > 3) 10'th house stands for Karma. > > 4) Su is the significator of leadership. > > 5) Ra not only influences the planets where it sits but it also influences alot to planets which go in angle to it. (I didn't take any aspect theory of Ra) > > 6) Mo is the main Planet which converts politician in Mass-Leader > > 7) Capricorn stands for Masses and Cancer stands for motherly sentiments. > > (I don't use western ZODIAC SYSTEM) > > Examples:- > > (Pl CONSIDER BHAVA- CHALITA OF CUSP FOR FOLLOWING EXAMPLES) > > Lets take example of Politicians of England – > > A) Tony Blair :- > > Ra in trine to Sa, He also had big support of masses So Ra was before Mo and Sa in trines to both Mo and Sa. So he was the great mass leader. > > Ra+ Mo are also in the Rashis of Masses ie Capricornus. > > He could have been Mass leader like Mahatma Gandhi but he just missed Ra+Mo in 10'th but he has influenced entire world. > > B) Marget Thatcher :- > > Ra in 10'th and in Bhava Chalita Mo is also in tenth. She ruled over in Eng for a big period but she also saw big defeat as she could not become mass leader as Sa didn't aspect Ra+ Mo in tenth and Mo was not in Cancer or Capricorn. > > C) Mahatma Gandhi (Biggest mass leader of 20'th Cent) – > > Ra+Mo in tenth in Rashi of Cancer (ie of Sentiments and it is also opposite to the Rashi of Masses ie Capricornus) and Sa in trine to tenth (where Ra+Mo are there) ie in 2'nd . > > D) Gordon Brown :- > > Sa in axis of Ra-Ke but he is not mass leader, only a politician. > > Mo in Cancer but Sa with Ra+Ke in Leo-Aquarius axis. > > E) Adolf Hitler :- > > Ra in 10'th, Sa is just after Ra and Mo is in axis of Ra-Ke > > F) Vladimir Putin > > 10'th in Axis of Ra-Ke > > Sa and Mo are in trine to Ra…. And he has been Mass Leader of Russia and he will again come to power as he has taken birth for the same….. > > He has influenced entire world. > > Ra+Su produce only corrupt leaders, not mass leader or Politician and their empire anytime use to fall… > > In Pervej Musharraf Chart Ra devoured Ma in Leo in tenth so he became politician and undertook power by Military Coup but failed to sense feeling of Masses as Mo is not in picture and Sa is not in trine to Ra,,,, so he remained as Military Person, not Politician…. > > Regs, > Prashant Pandey > > , " Marg " <margie9@> wrote: > > I would say that a Maharaja yoga or a Mahaparivartana yoga are usually seen in the chat of politician's but are also seen in the charts of those at the head of corporate or large businesses, so then look for prominent Venus and Mars, especially in angles or connected to them, and also look for strong shadbala for these two planets. Jupiter is often connected to Venus or it's signs in charts of politicians. > best wishes > M > - > MukundaB > > Wednesday, December 23, 2009 3:57 PM > Politicians? > > > > Dear Gurujis, > > Can you advise me as to what combination produces POLITICIANS? > mukunda > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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