Digest Number 29

February 19, 2010

--- On Fri, 2/19/10, prashant <praspandey wrote:

prashant <praspandey[A-I-V] Re: Fw: [JyotishWritings] Digest Number 29Astrology-Indo-Vaidik Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 5:07 PM

Dear Gopal,see, here i go....// I do agree with the analysis of Mr.Narasimha . //Let us see how much concepts of G K Goel's are good and how much he speaks truth !// Ketu is in 6th house from Lagna //You are taking Ketu in 6'th but what Narashimha wrote have you read...He wrote as below :-**** The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). *****But you wrote you do agree.// Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. AndSaturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. AndSaturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of

austerities and sadhana.//Classics says totally different thing - It says if Sa use to be with Ke or Rahu, Person use to be fraud in the garb of Sanyasi.Refer to 1.2.37 Jaimini Sutra.// Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny. //Gopal you say you do agree with Narashimha. You know he is writting totally opposite points what our classics says :-Refer to 1.4.25 of Jaimini Sutra and also refer to commentary of Your Guru Sanjay Rath.Narashimha says Sun in lagna in D-7 will afflict lagna so no Sun would be born and he also writes that Ju and Ra in 5'th will denychildren but classics says in D-7 Sun, Ju and

Ra are Karkas of illustrious Son.// Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was). //When Lagna would be having Me + Ve in lagna then person would be charming or if native would be having Sun in lagna ??NOW ANALYZE YOUR AND NARASHIMHA'S BASICS...NARASHIMHA IS POSTING RESEARCHES IN ASTROLOGY, FIRSTLY HE SHOULD WORK WITH BASICS.Regs, Prashant PandeyAstrology-Indo- Vaidik@grou ps.com, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Friends,> I do agree with the analysis of Mr.Narasimha .> I may like following points to add :> 1. Atmakarka Sun is Vargottama and placed in 2nd house> from Navamsa Lagna. This makes a person deeply

spiritual.> Lagna Lord Jupiter occupies Navamsa Lagna.> 2. BPHS tells us if Sun is in Lagna , SHAHTI-HAYANI DASA should > also be applied (having a cycle of 60 years).> In this dasa scheme Sun dasa was operative from March10,1899 > to Maech 11, 1909.According to entry chart Sun was afflicted by all > the four malefics-Saturn and Rahu in Lagna with natal Sun and > Mars and ketu in 7th house.> Thus this dasa proved fatal for him.> 3. According to BPHS and Jaimini Sutra , the saints have Malefics in 3/6 houses> from Lagna and benefics from Lagna pada.Ketu is in 6th house from Lagna and > Jupiter ,Venus and Mercury are in 3/6 houses from ladna Pada.> 4. IN those days Ista (birth time ) was given in Ghati and palas and not > according to watches. We should investigate and try to ascertain his> birth Istha in Ghatis as given in his original nativity. >

> I feel Capricorn Lagna with many rajyogas will suit to a rich person and > definitely not such a great saint and orator to whom knowledge dawned> on account of blessings of Guru. Mark Atmakarka Sun is 9th lord and placed > in Lagna.Venus and Mercury in 2nd house indicates his oratory.> > Regards,> > G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA> > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----> "JyotishWritings" <JyotishWritings>> JyotishWritings> Tue, 16 February, 2010 5:28:04 PM> [JyotishWritings] Digest Number 29> > Jyotish writings of P.V.R. Narasimha Rao > Jyotish writings of P.V.R. Narasimha Rao > Messages In This Digest (1 Message) > > 1. > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time Narasimha PVR Rao View All Topics | Create New Topic Message > 1. > Re: Swami Vivkananda's Birth Time > Posted by: "Narasimha PVR Rao" pvr pvr108 > Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:44 pm (PST) > > > Namaste friends,> > > Stimulated by all these postings about the birthtime of Swami Vivekanadajee,> > I am beginning to read (again) his words and writings, rather than wasting> > any more time on the birthtime etc. :-)> > You have a point. It is far more useful to study the essence of the

teachings of Swami Vivekananda and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ("Gospel of Ramakrishna" compiled by M is more sublime than any book by Swami Vivekananda in my view).> > However, birthtimes and birthcharts of famous people will always be of interest to astrologers.> > * * *> > Lalit/Utkal seems to have a lot of time and sending too many mails saying that he has astrological reasons for 6:49 am, while we do not have such reasons for 6:33 am.> > The time of 6:33 am given in the biography fits the description that he was born before sunrise. The time of 6:49 am given in some later day books sounds like a rectified time by some astrologer, because lagna would barely change to Capricorn at 6:49 am. Some astrologer probably thought that Swamiji should have 9th and 10th lords in lagna giving Dharma-Karmadhipati yoga and Jupiter in 10th. However, his dhaarmik, fierce and magnetic personality is absolutely

unexplained with Sun in the 12th house, whereas Sun in Sg lagna explains that personality so brilliantly. I have no reason to suspect the original recorded time and give credence to some astrologer's rectification possibly based on thumbrules and not-so-deep knowledge.> > For those who want astrological pointers, here are a few brief points on Sg lagna chart. There are many other points based on precise principles related to divisional longitudes, dasas and transits, but I will keep them for another day.> > (1) Sun close to lagna in the first house in an adhimitra rasi shows a powerful, charming and an almost regal person (which Swamiji was).> (2) Lagna in Sg shows a dharmik person of bold and fiery temperament.> (3) The 12th lord Ketu is in the 5th house (using the house reckoning I pointed out earlier based on Parasara's teachings). That shows someone adept at meditation. The 8th lord Moon with Saturn also

shows a good sadhaka with detachment.s> (4) Chara Aatma Kaaraka Sun is in 1st house (as opposed to 12th house with Cp lagna). Chara putra karaka Mercury (using the mixed 7/8 chara karaka method I shared earlier, based on Parasara's teachings) is also in the first house. AK and PK together or separately in 1st/5th houses is a great raja yoga and shows many followers. He was indeed the most famous from his group and had great following.> (5) Navamsa shows the marital life. The 7th lord of rasi chart has a close conjunction with the 6th lord. He is in the 6th house in navamsa. That is not conducive to good marital life.> (6) Dasamsa shows career. Lagna is Leo showing a regal personality. Saturn and Ketu are in the first house (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes), showing an ascetic. The 9th lord Mars is in the 10th house showing a fiery leader dedicated to dharma. In

dasamsa, the 10th lord Venus is closely conjoined with the 5th lord Jupiter (within less than one degree using D-10 divisional longitudes!) . This very powerful raja yoga shows a famous teacher. Moon, Jupiter and Venus occupy the 3rd house from lagna (I am using the house method I defined based on Parasara's teachings and am using divisional longitudes) and it shows an excellent communicator, writer, poet and teacher.> (7) Saptamsa shows children. In saptamsa, Sun and Saturn afflict lagna. Guru-Chandala yoga in 5th house can be bad for getting children. Afflicted 1st and 5th houses do not show progeny. Moreover, the 5th lord of rasi chart (Mars) is in 4th house in rasi chart and in 12th house in D-7. Again, it does not support having progeny.> (8) Vimsamsa has the 8th lord Sun in an adhimitra rasi with nodes and it is conducive to intense sadhana and excellent experiences.> (9) In rasi chart, Mars is in 4th house (using the house

method I shared based on Parasara's teachings) in own sign (Aries). This gives Ruchaka yoga. He was indeed a leader of men.> (10) Dwadasamsa shows parents. The 9th house in D-12 is Ge. From there, the 10th lord Jupiter can show an attorney. Saturn and Ketu in the 9th house can show one who is practical and progressive in religion and dharma. Gemini lagna with Mars in it shows a disciplined rationalist. The 4th house is Cp and shows mother. Lagna lord with Ketu shows a spiritual person. The 9th lord Mercury being aspected by Sun and Jupiter shows one who follows religion. Saturn-Rahu- Ketu on the 8th house axis shows one who does a lot of austerities and sadhana.> > * * *> > BTW, talking about Swami Vivekananda' s words and birthtimes, it may be interesting to note that he once dismissed astrology saying it is for the weak minds.> > Of course, every coin has two sides. Even a highly learned and eloquent

person cannot represent all aspects of truth in one exposition. One may decide to throw light on one side of a coin and the other side of the coin may remain in the dark. A passionate and strong personality like Swami Vivekananda may sometimes focus strongly on one aspect at a time and seem to contradict himself later. Though I have no doubt that the internal understanding Swami Vivekananda had was probably perfect, spoken or written words cannot capture it accurately always. At the end, it is all divine play. Lord Rama firmly taught eka patni vrata, while Lord Krishna neither stressed it nor followed it. Lord Rama killed demons, while the later incarnation of Buddha taught non-violence. When gods and rishis come to earth, their main messages, their lila and their teachings may change from one incarnation to another depending on desa-kaala-paatra. Right and wrong may change from> place to place and time to time. Each deity or saint or yogi has a

specific job to do when he/she comes to earth. Swami Vivekananda lived at a different time compared to now. Who knows, he might not share the same thoughts on astrology if he were back here today.> > Though I know I am digressing, I wanted to make this point when someone posted a quote from Swami Vivekananda on astrology several months back and did not get time then to do so.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,> "Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:> http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> > > Namaste Lalit and others, > > > > Of course, I am aware of Swami Chetanananda' s book ("God Lived With Them: Life Stories of Sixteen Monastic Disciples of Sri Ramakrishna" ). I was gratefully using some valuable data in that book for an interesting Jyotish research. I am aware that he gave 6:49 am as the birthtime of Swami Vivekananda.> > > > However, a more authentic source for Swami Vivekananda' s birthtime is his biography ("Biography of Swami Vivekananda" by Swami Nikhilananda) . That is a more authentic and exhaustive work. That book clearly gives 6:33 am and says "a few minutes before sunrise". Please note that IST was not

is use at that time and clearly the time is local mean time.> > > > Also, looking at Swamiji's picture, I am amazed that someone actually thinks he is Makara lagna instead of Dhanus. This is plain common sense to me. > > > > Ever since you first speculated that Swamiji had Makara lagna and not Dhanurlagna, you sent so many mails on that matter. Often an obsessed and egoistic mind cannot find truth. > > > > * * * > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > appealing to you. > > > > Message 3651 on may be of interest to those who wonder whether a claimed "vision" of a deity can be a hallucination and what really distinguishes the two and what is the goal of spiritual sadhana. A few mails referred within that mail cover

topics related to visions. > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3651 > > > > I know a yogi who has experienced god. There is so much difference between the way Lalit carries himself and that yogi does. Message 3481 of gives a small account of a few of my experiences with that yogi, which proved some things to me. Anyone can make claims, but this yogi actually satisfied the skeptic in me.> > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 3481 > > > > * * * > > > > I've been learning Jyotish for 31 years. I've been working very hard on Jyotish for the last 17 years. I am a reasonably intelligent person who went to an IIT. I have good knowledge of Sanskrit and I can understand Sanskrit

prose and poetry almost like a mother tongue. Yet, it is only in the last 3-4 years that I am slowly finding my bearings in this knowledge of rishis. > > > > Given your experience and given the depth and breadth of knowledge I see in your writings, I am quite amazed by the attitude you exhibit in your mails. My friend, vidyaa dadaati vinayam! > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > --- On Sat, 2/6/10, Lalit Mishra <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > > > It's a day that > > > Jyotish world should always remember, people should know > > > that God not only helped me but approved my effort for > > > finding out right lagna and birth time of Swami Vivekananda, > > > Swami Vivekananda was born with Makar Lagna only. > > > > > > This was third time,I visited > > >

Intenational Book Fair held at Pragati Maidan, New Delhi, I > > > was going to Hall no 12 in search of Sripati's > > > Manuscript of his work on Nakschatras but happen to visit > > > another hall, there I met a Sanyasi of Sri RamKrishna Math, > > > they were also having a stall, I purchased a biography of > > > Swami Rangnathananda on the condition that theyh will > > > provide me birth time of Swami Ranganathanada, The sanyasi > > > got agreed as well as curious why I m putting such a > > > condition, I told him about confusion of Jyotish world and > > > my effort, he jumped up with a sudden excitement saying - > > > It's known, It's known and published by Sri > > > RamKishna Manth in the biography of direct desciples of > > > Thakur Ramkrishna Paramhansha. > > > > > >

Animately, he brought out the book, I > > > saw it printed - Swami Vivekanada was born on 6.49 am, > > > Calcutta, Now you people can take any time of your choice - > > > Local or IST, you w'd get Makar Lagna lagna only, I > > > w'd humbly request to all of you to be honest and > > > couragious to spread availability of this correct birth time > > > to your followers. > > > > > > The great divine mother has finally > > > taken me to find truth for the rest of jyotish world, a hath > > > dharmi narrow minded world. > > > When God is with a person, he can > > > face the whole world and conquer it, and it's shown to > > > you people. Hope PV Narsimha and SJC, BVB, ICAS all w'd > > > correct themselves however they are free at their > > > end. > > >

> > > It's said that - "Jin > > > Khoja Tin Paiya, Gahre Pani Paith, Mai Bairan Pyasi Rah > > > Gayee, Rahi Kinare Baith". > > > > > > None of you have done mantra sadhana, none of you had > > > got God's vision, I got it, listen to me what I am > > > appealing to you. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra.> > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (1) > Recent Activity> * 9 > New MembersVisit Your Group > Finance> It's Now Personal> Guides, news,> advice & more. > Y! Groups blog> the best source> for the latest> scoop on Groups. > Group Charity> GiveWell.net> Identifying the> best non-profits > Need to Reply?>

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