Guest guest Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 Group and Kulbir Ji, I have practical experience of Yoga to a level, Once God enabled me to enjoy Savikalpa Samadhi", so, I am able to answer questions upto this this level of experience. There is a story behind my experiences, like many people around us, I had an innocent complain against the God - Why he gives his vision to those who are already great, I mean great sages, great souls etc., why very very normal and poor guy like me can not have it ? My comppain grew to the level I became almost like a Nastik {Athiest}. There was another side, I had duality in my mind, I used to worship and chant mantras very seriously in order to have God's vision but I had no true bhakti. I was also told stories that God loves us, blesses us but as there was no exclusive recognizable experience when God had loved me, sometimes, my sorrow for being very ordinay and complain against God that he is only available to those who are already special and great, used to get combned togather I used to reach in a strange state of mindset. By a co-incidece, I happen to read Yogsutra when in the summer vacations of class 10'th examinations. Then, some other books, some other classics and by the time I reached class 12'th, I had good understandng of Yoga Theoies. With quesions and challanes, once I met a guru, and in a challange even to him, I followed his instructions with a purpose to prove he is wrong ...... But one day, It happend otherwise, God came to me, and then there was a series of Dieties... Most ordinary me got the most exclusive experience. This is the reason, I try to tell people that If it can happen to me, It can happen to you also, pls pls come out of your's cover, break the sheath of knowledge that you have accumulated through the books, Let the knowldge spread from within. Yog Sutra lays out only theory of Yoga doesn't cover much of practical side of yoga, for practical side there are other scriptures. regards,Lalit Mishra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Sir ji,If this/such theory and practical is not made available to all easily, there is little hope that anybody can save India from the RED THREAT OF 2050.Regards Kulbir Bains--- On Sun, 7/3/10, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote:litsol <mishra.lalit[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Patanjali Yog Sura : My Experience !!Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 7:52 PM Group and Kulbir Ji, I have practical experience of Yoga to a level, Once God enabled me to enjoy Savikalpa Samadhi", so, I am able to answer questions upto this this level of experience. There is a story behind my experiences, like many people around us, I had an innocent complain against the God - Why he gives his vision to those who are already great, I mean great sages, great souls etc., why very very normal and poor guy like me can not have it ? My comppain grew to the level I became almost like a Nastik {Athiest}. There was another side, I had duality in my mind, I used to worship and chant mantras very seriously in order to have God's vision but I had no true bhakti. I was also told stories that God loves us, blesses us but as there was no exclusive recognizable experience when God had loved me, sometimes, my sorrow for being very ordinay and complain against God that he is only available to those who are already special and great, used to get combned togather I used to reach in a strange state of mindset. By a co-incidece, I happen to read Yogsutra when in the summer vacations of class 10'th examinations. Then, some other books, some other classics and by the time I reached class 12'th, I had good understandng of Yoga Theoies. With quesions and challanes, once I met a guru, and in a challange even to him, I followed his instructions with a purpose to prove he is wrong ...... But one day, It happend otherwise, God came to me, and then there was a series of Dieties... Most ordinary me got the most exclusive experience. This is the reason, I try to tell people that If it can happen to me, It can happen to you also, pls pls come out of your's cover, break the sheath of knowledge that you have accumulated through the books, Let the knowldge spread from within. Yog Sutra lays out only theory of Yoga doesn't cover much of practical side of yoga, for practical side there are other scriptures. regards,Lalit Mishra The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Sir, What does it means; AJA(bi) BHAsKSITA ETAT. Regards Kulbir Bains. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > > Group and Kulbir Ji, > > I have practical experience of Yoga to a level, Once God enabled me to > enjoy Savikalpa Samadhi " , so, I am able to answer questions upto this > this level of experience. > > There is a story behind my experiences, like many people around us, I > had an innocent complain against the God - Why he gives his vision to > those who are already great, I mean great sages, great souls etc., why > very very normal and poor guy like me can not have it ? > > My comppain grew to the level I became almost like a Nastik {Athiest}. > > There was another side, I had duality in my mind, I used to worship and > chant mantras very seriously in order to have God's vision but I had no > true bhakti. > > I was also told stories that God loves us, blesses us but as there was > no exclusive recognizable experience when God had loved me, sometimes, > my sorrow for being very ordinay and complain against God that he is > only available to those who are already special and great, used to get > combned togather I used to reach in a strange state of mindset. > > By a co-incidece, I happen to read Yogsutra when in the summer vacations > of class 10'th examinations. > > Then, some other books, some other classics and by the time I reached > class 12'th, I had good understandng of Yoga Theoies. > > With quesions and challanes, once I met a guru, and in a challange even > to him, I followed his instructions with a purpose to prove he is wrong > ...... > > But one day, It happend otherwise, God came to me, and then there was a > series of Dieties... > > Most ordinary me got the most exclusive experience. > > This is the reason, I try to tell people that If it can happen to me, It > can happen to you also, pls pls come out of your's cover, break the > sheath of knowledge that you have accumulated through the books, Let the > knowldge spread from within. > > Yog Sutra lays out only theory of Yoga doesn't cover much of practical > side of yoga, for practical side there are other scriptures. > > regards, > Lalit Mishra > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Dear Kulbir Ji, Nothing is hidden, There is seeker and there is knowledge, We should become seeker, knowledge is made available by the God. If we are single minded and honest within, no knowledge is beyond the reach. Things are very simple, degree of our inner impurty creates confusions for ourselves, these instances are called as " Mantra Shrap " in our scriptures, in fact not the mantra but the " Mana " is shrapit. Unlock the mana, mantra will work, Yog Sutra never said that physical excercise is Yoga, Pls never get confused by attractive advertisements. It's a persoonal matter between you and your god, Be a seeker, no other person is required between you two. regards, Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Sir ji, > If this/such theory and practical is not made available to all easily, there is little hope that anybody can save India from the RED THREAT OF 2050. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > --- On Sun, 7/3/10, litsol mishra.lalit wrote: > > litsol mishra.lalit > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Patanjali Yog Sura : My Experience !! > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > Sunday, 7 March, 2010, 7:52 PM >  > > > Group and Kulbir Ji, > I have practical experience of Yoga to a level, Once God enabled me to enjoy Savikalpa Samadhi " , so, I am able to answer questions upto this this level of experience. > There is a story behind my experiences, like many people around us, I had an innocent complain against the God - Why he gives his vision to those who are already great, I mean great sages, great souls etc., why very very normal and poor guy like me can not have it ? > My comppain grew to the level I became almost like a Nastik {Athiest}. > There was another side, I had duality in my mind, I used to worship and chant mantras very seriously in order to have God's vision but I had no true bhakti. > I was also told stories that God loves us, blesses us but as there was no exclusive recognizable experience when God had loved me, sometimes, my sorrow for being very ordinay and complain against God that he is only available to those who are already special and great, used to get combned togather I used to reach in a strange state of mindset. > By a co-incidece, I happen to read Yogsutra when in the summer vacations of class 10'th examinations. > Then, some other books, some other classics and by the time I reached class 12'th, I had good understandng of Yoga Theoies. > With quesions and challanes, once I met a guru, and in a challange even to him, I followed his instructions with a purpose to prove he is wrong ...... > But one day, It happend otherwise, God came to me, and then there was a series of Dieties... > Most ordinary me got the most exclusive experience. > This is the reason, I try to tell people that If it can happen to me, It can happen to you also, pls pls come out of your's cover, break the sheath of knowledge that you have accumulated through the books, Let the knowldge spread from within. > Yog Sutra lays out only theory of Yoga doesn't cover much of practical side of yoga, for practical side there are other scriptures. > regards, > Lalit Mishra >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Kulbir Ji, This link may help you : http://www.ashtangayoga.info/philosophy/yoga-sutra-patanjali/ Pls give sutra no and chapter, we can discuss it in length. regards,Lalit Mishra Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "Lalkitab" <lalkitabkb wrote:>> Sir, What does it means; AJA(bi) BHAsKSITA ETAT.> Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , "litsol" mishra.lalit@ wrote:> >> > > > Group and Kulbir Ji,> > > > I have practical experience of Yoga to a level, Once God enabled me to> > enjoy Savikalpa Samadhi", so, I am able to answer questions upto this> > this level of experience.> > > > There is a story behind my experiences, like many people around us, I> > had an innocent complain against the God - Why he gives his vision to> > those who are already great, I mean great sages, great souls etc., why> > very very normal and poor guy like me can not have it ?> > > > My comppain grew to the level I became almost like a Nastik {Athiest}.> > > > There was another side, I had duality in my mind, I used to worship and> > chant mantras very seriously in order to have God's vision but I had no> > true bhakti.> > > > I was also told stories that God loves us, blesses us but as there was> > no exclusive recognizable experience when God had loved me, sometimes,> > my sorrow for being very ordinay and complain against God that he is> > only available to those who are already special and great, used to get> > combned togather I used to reach in a strange state of mindset.> > > > By a co-incidece, I happen to read Yogsutra when in the summer vacations> > of class 10'th examinations.> > > > Then, some other books, some other classics and by the time I reached> > class 12'th, I had good understandng of Yoga Theoies.> > > > With quesions and challanes, once I met a guru, and in a challange even> > to him, I followed his instructions with a purpose to prove he is wrong> > ......> > > > But one day, It happend otherwise, God came to me, and then there was a> > series of Dieties...> > > > Most ordinary me got the most exclusive experience.> > > > This is the reason, I try to tell people that If it can happen to me, It> > can happen to you also, pls pls come out of your's cover, break the> > sheath of knowledge that you have accumulated through the books, Let the> > knowldge spread from within.> > > > Yog Sutra lays out only theory of Yoga doesn't cover much of practical> > side of yoga, for practical side there are other scriptures.> > > > regards,> > Lalit Mishra> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Hello Lalit Jee Jaya Siyaa Raam It is long time, I hope you are fine. I have also developed interest in Patanjali Yog Shaastra recently. I searched through Google I found several good sites. I will try to read about it. I will try your cited site too. I look for your guidance. Thanks and best wishes Sushma Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > > Kulbir Ji, > > This link may help you : > > http://www.ashtangayoga.info/philosophy/yoga-sutra-patanjali/ > <http://www.ashtangayoga.info/philosophy/yoga-sutra-patanjali/> > > Pls give sutra no and chapter, we can discuss it in length. > > regards, > Lalit Mishra Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Lalkitab " > <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > Sir, What does it means; AJA(bi) BHAsKSITA ETAT. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " > mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Group and Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > I have practical experience of Yoga to a level, Once God enabled me > to > > > enjoy Savikalpa Samadhi " , so, I am able to answer questions upto > this > > > this level of experience. > > > > > > There is a story behind my experiences, like many people around us, > I > > > had an innocent complain against the God - Why he gives his vision > to > > > those who are already great, I mean great sages, great souls etc., > why > > > very very normal and poor guy like me can not have it ? > > > > > > My comppain grew to the level I became almost like a Nastik > {Athiest}. > > > > > > There was another side, I had duality in my mind, I used to worship > and > > > chant mantras very seriously in order to have God's vision but I had > no > > > true bhakti. > > > > > > I was also told stories that God loves us, blesses us but as there > was > > > no exclusive recognizable experience when God had loved me, > sometimes, > > > my sorrow for being very ordinay and complain against God that he is > > > only available to those who are already special and great, used to > get > > > combned togather I used to reach in a strange state of mindset. > > > > > > By a co-incidece, I happen to read Yogsutra when in the summer > vacations > > > of class 10'th examinations. > > > > > > Then, some other books, some other classics and by the time I > reached > > > class 12'th, I had good understandng of Yoga Theoies. > > > > > > With quesions and challanes, once I met a guru, and in a challange > even > > > to him, I followed his instructions with a purpose to prove he is > wrong > > > ...... > > > > > > But one day, It happend otherwise, God came to me, and then there > was a > > > series of Dieties... > > > > > > Most ordinary me got the most exclusive experience. > > > > > > This is the reason, I try to tell people that If it can happen to > me, It > > > can happen to you also, pls pls come out of your's cover, break the > > > sheath of knowledge that you have accumulated through the books, Let > the > > > knowldge spread from within. > > > > > > Yog Sutra lays out only theory of Yoga doesn't cover much of > practical > > > side of yoga, for practical side there are other scriptures. > > > > > > regards, > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Sir ji, AJA(bi) BHAsKSITA ETAh. When the mind unites with the soul, when the body unites with the breath, and when the soul unites with the paramatma, yoga happens. There is this story on Maharshi Patanjili. There were thousands of disciples of Maharshi Ptanjali. One day they were all at the session with Maharshi. Maharshi had a rule that there will be a curtain in between Maharshi and the student. No one was supposed to see the Maharshi. This continued. The students were taking knowledge from the preceptor and the preceptor showering the knowledge to the disciples. One day something happened! One of the students wanted to go to the toilet. He thought why disturb the Guru anyway the Master will not able to see (since there was a curtain in between them)!! He silently slipped off the class and went to the toilet. On the other hand, among the rest of the students, one felt the terrible urge to see the Maharshi. He whispered to the other fellow disciples that they should see their teacher, and the teacher being all compassionate will definitely forgive them and will not be upset on then. So suddenly one of the disciples got up and removed the curtain. And as he removed the curtain off, there happened a terrible disaster!! Everyone who were present there turned into ashes!! All the disciples who were present infront of the Maharshi Patanjali just turned into ashes!! In the meantime the only disciple who had gone out to the toilet returned. Maharshi told the student that he had done a great mistake by going out of the class without the preceptor’s permission!! And now the boy has to undergo a curse!! Maharshi cursed him to be a Demon(Brahmadaitya) and that he should sit on a tree and write down all that he learned from Patanjali. The boy immediately turned to a demon and went up the tree and started writing that entire he learnt from the Maharshi. He was writing on the leaves of the tree. It is said that there was a goat sitting at the base of the tree. The disciple who turned a demon kept writing on the leaf and throwing each leaf on the ground and the goat started eating all the leaves one by one!! Now who are those disciples who turn to ashes? Why did they turn to ashes? Why was that only disciple saved? Why did he become a demon? Why was he asked to write all that he learned? Why the goat did eat away all the leaves? These are the questions that you should think and ponder. There are two kinds of disciplines. We will begin with a story, the greatest and most effective way of conveying knowledge. Once upon a time, long ago, all the munis and rishis approached Lord Vishnu to tell him that even though He (incarnated as Lord Dhanvanthari) had given them the means to cure illnesses through Ayurveda, people still fell ill. They also wanted to know what to do when people got sick. Sometimes it is not just physical illness, but mental and emotional illness too that needs to be dealt with. Anger, lust, greed, jealousy etc. How does one get rid of all these impurities? What is the formula? Vishnu was lying on the bed of snakes the serpent Adishesha with a 1,000 heads. When the Rishis approached Him, he gave them Adishesha, the symbol of awareness, who took birth in the world as Maharishi Patanjali. So Patanjali came to this earth to give this knowledge of yoga which came to be known as the yogasutras. Patanjali said he was not going to discuss the yogasutras unless 1,000 people got together. So 1,000 people gathered south of Vindhya Mountains to listen to him. Patanjali had another condition he would put a screen between him and his students and told them that nobody was to lift the screen or leave. Everybody had to stay in the hall till he finished. So Patanjali stayed behind the curtain and he transmitted his knowledge to the 1,000 gathered. Each of them absorbed this knowledge. It was an amazing phenomenon and even amongst the students, they could not believe how they were getting this knowledge, how the master was making each of them understand without uttering words from behind the curtain. Everybody was amazed. Each one of them experienced such a blast of energy, such a blast of enthusiasm, that they could not even contain it. But they still had to maintain the discipline. But one little boy had to go out to attend natures call. So he left the room. He thought to himself that he would go quietly and return quietly. Another person became curious. What is the Master doing behind the curtain? I want to see. He got so curious that he lifted the curtain to see the Master. But just as he did so, all 999 disciples were burnt to ashes. Now, Patanjali became very sad. There he was, ready to impart knowledge to the whole world and all of his disciples were burnt. At this moment, that one little boy returned. Patanjali asked him where he had gone. The boy explained and asked his forgiveness. Patanjali was compassionate and felt that at least one of his disciples was saved. So he gave him the rest of the sutras, the rest of the knowledge. But the student had violated the law and Patanjali was not willing to forget that. So he said, Since you have violated the law, you will become a Brahmarakshasa, a ghost and hang on the tree. And the only way he could liberate himself from the curse is to teach one student. Saying this Patanjali disappeared. Now Brahmarakshasa, hanging on a tree, would ask everyone who passed by one question and when they could not answer he would eat them. He had no choice and for a few thousand years this was the story. He could not find a single person to whom he could teach the yogasutras. So he remained in the tree as a Brahmarakshasa (the lesson here being that for the one who has great knowledge, and who does something wrong, the state of Brahmarakshasa will come. An intelligent person becoming a criminal becomes more dangerous than an innocent person becoming a criminal. If a person, who knows all knowledge and then turns a criminal, it is much more dangerous). So the Brahmarakshasa was hanging there and waiting for relief. Then out of compassion, Patanjali himself becomes a disciple and comes as a student to Brahmarakshasa who told him all the sutras, which Patanjali wrote on the palm leaf. The story goes that to redeem one disciple, the Master became the disciple of a disciple. Patanjali wrote the sutras sitting on the top of the tree as that was where the Brahmarakshasa sat. Also, Brahmarakshasa worked only in the night. So he dictated the sutras at night and Patanjali wrote them on the leaves. He plucked all the leaves and made a small scratch, drew blood and wrote. This went on for seven days. At the end of it, Patanjali was tired and put everything he had written on a piece pf cloth and set it down and went to bathe. But when Patanjali returned, he found that a goat had eaten most of the leaves. Patanjali then took the cloth bag and the rest of the leaves and walked away. In this story, there is a lot of depth. The puranas do not give any explanation. They just give a story and it is for us to unlock the meaning. So what is that you all have to find out? (1) How did the master convey the knowledge to everybody without uttering a word? (2) What was the significance of the veil and when it was lifted why did everybody burn down? (3) Why was the one boy forgiven? (4) What is the significance of the goat? (4) What is the significance of this story? Regards Kulbir Bains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Kulbir Ji, Sorry, I am unable to decode this interesting story, w'd request you to simplify it. regards, Lalit Mishra Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Sir ji, > AJA(bi) BHAsKSITA ETAh. > When the mind unites with the soul, when the body unites with the > breath, and when the soul unites with the paramatma, yoga happens. > There is this story on Maharshi Patanjili. There were thousands of > disciples of Maharshi Ptanjali. One day they were all at the session > with Maharshi. Maharshi had a rule that there will be a curtain in > between Maharshi and the student. No one was supposed to see the > Maharshi. This continued. The students were taking knowledge from the > preceptor and the preceptor showering the knowledge to the disciples. > One day something happened! One of the students wanted to go to the > toilet. He thought why disturb the Guru anyway the Master will not > able to see (since there was a curtain in between them)!! He silently > slipped off the class and went to the toilet. On the other hand, among > the rest of the students, one felt the terrible urge to see the > Maharshi. He whispered to the other fellow disciples that they should > see their teacher, and the teacher being all compassionate will > definitely forgive them and will not be upset on then. > So suddenly one of the disciples got up and removed the curtain. And > as he removed the curtain off, there happened a terrible disaster!! > Everyone who were present there turned into ashes!! All the disciples > who were present infront of the Maharshi Patanjali just turned into > ashes!! In the meantime the only disciple who had gone out to the > toilet returned. Maharshi told the student that he had done a great > mistake by going out of the class without the preceptor's permission!! > And now the boy has to undergo a curse!! Maharshi cursed him to be a > Demon(Brahmadaitya) and that he should sit on a tree and write down > all that he learned from Patanjali. The boy immediately turned to a > demon and went up the tree and started writing that entire he learnt > from the Maharshi. He was writing on the leaves of the tree. It is > said that there was a goat sitting at the base of the tree. The > disciple who turned a demon kept writing on the leaf and throwing each > leaf on the ground and the goat started eating all the leaves one by > one!! > Now who are those disciples who turn to ashes? Why did they turn to > ashes? Why was that only disciple saved? Why did he become a demon? > Why was he asked to write all that he learned? Why the goat did eat > away all the leaves? These are the questions that you should think and > ponder. > There are two kinds of disciplines. > > > We will begin with a story, the greatest and most effective way of > conveying knowledge. Once upon a time, long ago, all the munis and > rishis approached Lord Vishnu to tell him that even though He > (incarnated as Lord Dhanvanthari) had given them the means to cure > illnesses through Ayurveda, people still fell ill. They also wanted to > know what to do when people got sick. Sometimes it is not just > physical illness, but mental and emotional illness too that needs to > be dealt with. Anger, lust, greed, jealousy etc. How does one get rid > of all these impurities? What is the formula? Vishnu was lying on the > bed of snakes the serpent Adishesha with a 1,000 heads. When the > Rishis approached Him, he gave them Adishesha, the symbol of > awareness, who took birth in the world as Maharishi Patanjali. So > Patanjali came to this earth to give this knowledge of yoga which came > to be known as the yogasutras. Patanjali said he was not going to > discuss the yogasutras unless 1,000 people got together. So 1,000 > people gathered south of Vindhya Mountains to listen to him. Patanjali > had another condition he would put a screen between him and his > students and told them that nobody was to lift the screen or leave. > Everybody had to stay in the hall till he finished. So Patanjali > stayed behind the curtain and he transmitted his knowledge to the > 1,000 gathered. Each of them absorbed this knowledge. It was an > amazing phenomenon and even amongst the students, they could not > believe how they were getting this knowledge, how the master was > making each of them understand without uttering words from behind the > curtain. Everybody was amazed. Each one of them experienced such a > blast of energy, such a blast of enthusiasm, that they could not even > contain it. But they still had to maintain the discipline. But one > little boy had to go out to attend natures call. So he left the room. > He thought to himself that he would go quietly and return quietly. > Another person became curious. What is the Master doing behind the > curtain? I want to see. He got so curious that he lifted the curtain > to see the Master. But just as he did so, all 999 disciples were burnt > to ashes. Now, Patanjali became very sad. There he was, ready to > impart knowledge to the whole world and all of his disciples were > burnt. At this moment, that one little boy returned. Patanjali asked > him where he had gone. The boy explained and asked his forgiveness. > Patanjali was compassionate and felt that at least one of his > disciples was saved. So he gave him the rest of the sutras, the rest > of the knowledge. But the student had violated the law and Patanjali > was not willing to forget that. So he said, Since you have violated > the law, you will become a Brahmarakshasa, a ghost and hang on the > tree. And the only way he could liberate himself from the curse is to > teach one student. Saying this Patanjali disappeared. Now > Brahmarakshasa, hanging on a tree, would ask everyone who passed by > one question and when they could not answer he would eat them. He had > no choice and for a few thousand years this was the story. He could > not find a single person to whom he could teach the yogasutras. So he > remained in the tree as a Brahmarakshasa (the lesson here being that > for the one who has great knowledge, and who does something wrong, the > state of Brahmarakshasa will come. An intelligent person becoming a > criminal becomes more dangerous than an innocent person becoming a > criminal. If a person, who knows all knowledge and then turns a > criminal, it is much more dangerous). So the Brahmarakshasa was > hanging there and waiting for relief. Then out of compassion, > Patanjali himself becomes a disciple and comes as a student to > Brahmarakshasa who told him all the sutras, which Patanjali wrote on > the palm leaf. The story goes that to redeem one disciple, the Master > became the disciple of a disciple. Patanjali wrote the sutras sitting > on the top of the tree as that was where the Brahmarakshasa sat. Also, > Brahmarakshasa worked only in the night. So he dictated the sutras at > night and Patanjali wrote them on the leaves. He plucked all the > leaves and made a small scratch, drew blood and wrote. This went on > for seven days. At the end of it, Patanjali was tired and put > everything he had written on a piece pf cloth and set it down and went > to bathe. But when Patanjali returned, he found that a goat had eaten > most of the leaves. Patanjali then took the cloth bag and the rest of > the leaves and walked away. In this story, there is a lot of depth. > The puranas do not give any explanation. They just give a story and it > is for us to unlock the meaning. So what is that you all have to find > out? (1) How did the master convey the knowledge to everybody without > uttering a word? (2) What was the significance of the veil and when it > was lifted why did everybody burn down? (3) Why was the one boy > forgiven? (4) What is the significance of the goat? (4) What is the > significance of this story? > > Regards > Kulbir Bains > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Dear Lalit ji Sadar Pranams! I'm pasting an email from my Uncle who is looking for some text on Yoga. Dear Vivek,Thank you once again for the concern.I wonder from where you get these miraculous literature,vanished long ago??If you can find something in Pranayam or other Kirya to achieve the concious control on the various sub-pranas like samana, vyana, udana etc.seperatly.The secret is highly guarded and I have been searching it with no success.The main i.e. Pran & Apan is discussed in the various methods explained in the Pranayam,but what method/procedure or the kirya is to be followed for successfully controlling the sub-prana is twisted and not explained. Since all the actions & reactions,anotomyof the body,the mind, past/previous births and more or less everything involved in the reasons for re-incarnationare being controlled with all therse 10 pranas and the person knowsand does it is out of this rut. with all the best of wishes & love, akshay Would really appreciate if you can provide any help in the matter. Thanks and Regards Vivek Vedic Astrologyandhealing From: mishra.lalitDate: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:52:04 +0000[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Patanjali Yog Sura : My Experience !! Group and Kulbir Ji, I have practical experience of Yoga to a level, Once God enabled me to enjoy Savikalpa Samadhi", so, I am able to answer questions upto this this level of experience. There is a story behind my experiences, like many people around us, I had an innocent complain against the God - Why he gives his vision to those who are already great, I mean great sages, great souls etc., why very very normal and poor guy like me can not have it ? My comppain grew to the level I became almost like a Nastik {Athiest}. There was another side, I had duality in my mind, I used to worship and chant mantras very seriously in order to have God's vision but I had no true bhakti. I was also told stories that God loves us, blesses us but as there was no exclusive recognizable experience when God had loved me, sometimes, my sorrow for being very ordinay and complain against God that he is only available to those who are already special and great, used to get combned togather I used to reach in a strange state of mindset. By a co-incidece, I happen to read Yogsutra when in the summer vacations of class 10'th examinations. Then, some other books, some other classics and by the time I reached class 12'th, I had good understandng of Yoga Theoies. With quesions and challanes, once I met a guru, and in a challange even to him, I followed his instructions with a purpose to prove he is wrong ...... But one day, It happend otherwise, God came to me, and then there was a series of Dieties... Most ordinary me got the most exclusive experience. This is the reason, I try to tell people that If it can happen to me, It can happen to you also, pls pls come out of your's cover, break the sheath of knowledge that you have accumulated through the books, Let the knowldge spread from within. Yog Sutra lays out only theory of Yoga doesn't cover much of practical side of yoga, for practical side there are other scriptures. regards,Lalit Mishra Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Dear Vivek, I am quite uncomfortable and feel burdened under the weight of " Heavy Pranams " , Pls be a friend if you like to. I w'd write some other day on Yoga, Mechanism of physical and spiritual system and their integrity in life. regards, Lalit Mishra Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Vivek Bajaj <bajajvivek wrote: > > > Dear Lalit ji > > > > Sadar Pranams! > > > > I'm pasting an email from my Uncle who is looking for some text on Yoga. > > > > Dear Vivek, > Thank you once again for the concern. > I wonder from where you get these miraculous literature,vanished long ago?? > If you can find something in Pranayam or other Kirya to achieve the concious control on the various > > sub-pranas like samana, vyana, udana etc.seperatly.The secret is highly guarded and I have been searching it with no success.The main i.e. Pran & Apan is discussed in the various methods explained > in the Pranayam,but what method/procedure or the kirya is to be followed for successfully controlling the sub-prana is twisted and not explained. Since all the actions & reactions,anotomyof the body, > the mind, past/previous births and more or less everything involved in the reasons for re-incarnation > are being controlled with all therse 10 pranas and the person knowsand does it is out of this rut. > with all the best of wishes & love, > akshay > > > > > Would really appreciate if you can provide any help in the matter. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Vivek > > > > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > mishra.lalit > Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:52:04 +0000 > [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Patanjali Yog Sura : My Experience !! Group and Kulbir Ji, > > I have practical experience of Yoga to a level, Once God enabled me to enjoy Savikalpa Samadhi " , so, I am able to answer questions upto this this level of experience. > > There is a story behind my experiences, like many people around us, I had an innocent complain against the God - Why he gives his vision to those who are already great, I mean great sages, great souls etc., why very very normal and poor guy like me can not have it ? > > My comppain grew to the level I became almost like a Nastik {Athiest}. > > There was another side, I had duality in my mind, I used to worship and chant mantras very seriously in order to have God's vision but I had no true bhakti. > > I was also told stories that God loves us, blesses us but as there was no exclusive recognizable experience when God had loved me, sometimes, my sorrow for being very ordinay and complain against God that he is only available to those who are already special and great, used to get combned togather I used to reach in a strange state of mindset. > > By a co-incidece, I happen to read Yogsutra when in the summer vacations of class 10'th examinations. > > Then, some other books, some other classics and by the time I reached class 12'th, I had good understandng of Yoga Theoies. > > With quesions and challanes, once I met a guru, and in a challange even to him, I followed his instructions with a purpose to prove he is wrong ...... > > But one day, It happend otherwise, God came to me, and then there was a series of Dieties... > > Most ordinary me got the most exclusive experience. > > This is the reason, I try to tell people that If it can happen to me, It can happen to you also, pls pls come out of your's cover, break the sheath of knowledge that you have accumulated through the books, Let the knowldge spread from within. > > Yog Sutra lays out only theory of Yoga doesn't cover much of practical side of yoga, for practical side there are other scriptures. > > regards, > Lalit Mishra > _______________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Dear Lalit Jee Jaya Siyaa Raam Do you think that practice of Yog is the means to attain Brahm or some Divine experience. I have heard that Yog should be done under an able master, otherwise it may harm the doer. How far itis true? Maybe it is true for advanced Yog practices, not for initial practices. One thing more, is it necessary to use Aasan (postures) while practicing Yog or can be done sitting on a chair too? If the postures are necessary, then a handiapped person cannot do it, or is there any other way? Any help is appreciated. With best regards Sushma Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit wrote: > > > Dear Vivek, > > I am quite uncomfortable and feel burdened under the weight of " Heavy > Pranams " , Pls be a friend if you like to. > > I w'd write some other day on Yoga, Mechanism of physical and spiritual > system and their integrity in life. > > regards, > Lalit Mishra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Dear Lalit ji Sorry for making you feel uncomfortable. I'll take care not to put too much burden on you. Will be looking forward to your email on Yoga. Thanks and Regards Vivek Vedic Astrologyandhealing From: mishra.lalitDate: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:23:03 +0000[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Patanjali Yog Sura : My Experience !! Dear Vivek,I am quite uncomfortable and feel burdened under the weight of "HeavyPranams" , Pls be a friend if you like to.I w'd write some other day on Yoga, Mechanism of physical and spiritualsystem and their integrity in life.regards,Lalit MishraVedic Astrologyandhealing , Vivek Bajaj<bajajvivek wrote:>>> Dear Lalit ji>>>> Sadar Pranams!>>>> I'm pasting an email from my Uncle who is looking for some text onYoga.>>>> Dear Vivek,> Thank you once again for the concern.> I wonder from where you get these miraculous literature,vanished longago??> If you can find something in Pranayam or other Kirya to achieve theconcious control on the various>> sub-pranas like samana, vyana, udana etc.seperatly.The secret ishighly guarded and I have been searching it with no success.The maini.e. Pran & Apan is discussed in the various methods explained> in the Pranayam,but what method/procedure or the kirya is to befollowed for successfully controlling the sub-prana is twisted and notexplained. Since all the actions & reactions,anotomyof the body,> the mind, past/previous births and more or less everything involved inthe reasons for re-incarnation> are being controlled with all therse 10 pranas and the person knowsanddoes it is out of this rut.> with all the best of wishes & love,> akshay>>>>> Would really appreciate if you can provide any help in the matter.>>>> Thanks and Regards>> Vivek>>>>> Vedic Astrologyandhealing > mishra.lalit Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:52:04 +0000> [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Patanjali Yog Sura : My Experience!!>>>>>>> Group and Kulbir Ji,>> I have practical experience of Yoga to a level, Once God enabled me toenjoy Savikalpa Samadhi", so, I am able to answer questions upto thisthis level of experience.>> There is a story behind my experiences, like many people around us, Ihad an innocent complain against the God - Why he gives his vision tothose who are already great, I mean great sages, great souls etc., whyvery very normal and poor guy like me can not have it ?>> My comppain grew to the level I became almost like a Nastik {Athiest}.>> There was another side, I had duality in my mind, I used to worshipand chant mantras very seriously in order to have God's vision but I hadno true bhakti.>> I was also told stories that God loves us, blesses us but as there wasno exclusive recognizable experience when God had loved me, sometimes,my sorrow for being very ordinay and complain against God that he isonly available to those who are already special and great, used to getcombned togather I used to reach in a strange state of mindset.>> By a co-incidece, I happen to read Yogsutra when in the summervacations of class 10'th examinations.>> Then, some other books, some other classics and by the time I reachedclass 12'th, I had good understandng of Yoga Theoies.>> With quesions and challanes, once I met a guru, and in a challangeeven to him, I followed his instructions with a purpose to prove he iswrong ......>> But one day, It happend otherwise, God came to me, and then there wasa series of Dieties...>> Most ordinary me got the most exclusive experience.>> This is the reason, I try to tell people that If it can happen to me,It can happen to you also, pls pls come out of your's cover, break thesheath of knowledge that you have accumulated through the books, Let theknowldge spread from within.>> Yog Sutra lays out only theory of Yoga doesn't cover much of practicalside of yoga, for practical side there are other scriptures.>> regards,> Lalit Mishra>>>>>>>> ________> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection.> http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/> Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Dear Members,A very inquisitive question relating to experiences of yoga.It is just synchronisation of body ,mind and soul.It is not easy other wise and yog sutras outline procedures,not easy to implement regularly.In the process attainment of Brahmatakes place, it is final goal.it is originally Yogasana only.Asana is also necessary to be adopted but depending on one's own comfort and easiness.For purposes of yoga couple of asanas mentioned for sadhana purpose.probably that is with in reach of most of the people.Not necessary it is only padmasan.Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman"Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them"Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 3/16/10, Sushma <bhagvatjee wrote:Sushma <bhagvatjee[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: Patanjali Yog Sura : My Experience !!Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Tuesday, March 16, 2010, 12:45 PM Dear Lalit Jee Jaya Siyaa Raam Do you think that practice of Yog is the means to attain Brahm or some Divine experience. I have heard that Yog should be done under an able master, otherwise it may harm the doer. How far itis true? Maybe it is true for advanced Yog practices, not for initial practices. One thing more, is it necessary to use Aasan (postures) while practicing Yog or can be done sitting on a chair too? If the postures are necessary, then a handiapped person cannot do it, or is there any other way? Any help is appreciated. With best regards Sushma Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol" <mishra.lalit@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear Vivek, > > I am quite uncomfortable and feel burdened under the weight of "Heavy > Pranams" , Pls be a friend if you like to. > > I w'd write some other day on Yoga, Mechanism of physical and spiritual > system and their integrity in life. > > regards, > Lalit Mishra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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