My Words to Astrologers !!

March 12, 2010

Dear Astrologers,

You are required in the society and expected to have more dignity then the rest, Astrology as a tool offering qualitatively better and much more effective help to humanity then any other branch of science or school of study.

Recently, I acted as a terrible iconoclast, sometimes, destruction is required for construction of new and better structure.

India as a country is a classic example of sufferings due to it's fascination with individualistic heroism, In severals parts of country people make temples for their political leaders, Film artists, This heriosm is deeply rooted in the astrology as well and reflects at occasions.

Over the period, such a heroism turns a reason to suppress growth and innovation in almost every branch of study, Subjects like Mathematics, Physics have also suffered a lot from excessive heroism, In the invention of calculus Newton's fame didn't allow recognition of Leibnitz's great researches on Calculus, today, Leibnitz is equally respected as Newton.

I wanted you to open up your heart and mind, we should have respect to work done by astrologers of previous generations but at the same time we should remain open for further developments.

I respect BV Raman and family's contribution to astrology, I also respect contribution of Prof KN Rao and team, I recognize PVR Narsimha's contribution in Ganit (Mathematics) portion of vedic astrology, but, I wanted to let everybody know that everybody has some or other shortcomings, We need to follow them to contribute more then they contributed, instead of making them mythological character.

There has been a myth in astrology community that in one life no one can learn astrology, My question is why ?We learn engineering in 4 yrs, medical science in 5 yrs then why we can not learn astrology in 3 - 4 yrs ?

In 2006 July - August, I started learning astrology and went to buy PVR Narsimha's book - "Vedic Astrology an Interated Approach", somehow, book didn't appeal to me but I mailed to PVR Narsimha with pleasure and respect that I wanted to buy his book, Then I bought Chandrashekhar Sharma's book, I got dissatisfied with this also.

I have not gone to any school of astrology though I spent heavily on buying classics and other books of astrology, I went to several places out of Delhi in search of classics, I was asked in family why I am wasting so much on astrology, I could justify that as I don't smoke or drink or party, spending on astrology was justified.

I collected more books then those available in BVB's library, particularly in mundane astrology, Since, I started learning, I had a astrological query as to why India became slave and why it got liberty in 1947, this query became the basis for revelation of several unknown things that I w'd certainly share with you all.

I am not into astrology in any manner, only aim that I had is to give new thoughts and light to astrologers and astrology.

I invented the factors behind naming of individuals, Astrology is so perfect that It can help letting know the name of the person whose horoscope is before you and it happens with Lahiri Ayanamsa, who dares tell Astrology is not a science ?

My appeal to you is to work togather to discover new things and share with one and all, this is the way to respect our sages, let's follow them by following the way they worked, It's wrong to worship and use their name for our benefits for letting down other's significant wrong.

I had trust and high level of respect for almost every school of astrology and I believed the content of their articals but when I validated them I found they lack the greatness that they talk about, I also found with no spiritual expereince some astrologer's are writing on spirituaity, and many times it's incorrect.

You are not aware, when I found SwamiVivekananda's birth chart is incorrect, I did write mails to Prof Rao, Narsimha etc, even went to meet Mr Deepak Besaria two times requesting a review, I had trust that these guys are elevated people and they will review but soon my trust was broken, I found greatness is limited to boundaries of their school and articals, It was more projection then reality.

Prof Rao did write that He is not well and same day as well as in coming days he kept posting articals on political affairs.

PVR Narsimha, posted personal communication that was happening in between me and them for Swami Vivekannanda's chart to Jyoish Group and other groups where I am not a member, Why such an opportunistic behavior ? I was surprised at this behavior.

Then I decided to challange them all, I am sorry to say, I didnt find great desha bhakti or anything, I revolted.

I need all of you to do good and remain open in astrology, I don't do astrology, I dont do consultation, my effort is to invent more and share with you all so that you can serve people in better ways.

What has been worst in astrology, people don't accept faults in their own charts, they try to present negatve factors as positive factors, Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things in your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will help you in real life ?

Mouji gave some dates when Jup-Venus conjoined, and It was found that every time their conjunction unearthed some or other scandals, so, what comes out, Planet's dont leave their karakatwa, pls study it more to overcome your's doubts.

After the end of Raman's age, Rao's age came, Now that age also ends, New age of micro level real study of vedic astrology begins, pls attune to this.

regards,Utkal.

March 12, 2010

Sir,

In that case you must study about JUGAAD.

President of USA came to India with his team. about working style of our

political system and such allied subjects he got just one answer. Sir, it is

done by Jugaad.

In His meeting with The PM of India Mr. Singh he offered many incentives to

India if Mr. Singh gives him this JUGAAD.

Mr. Singh said Sorry, I can't do this because my government is running only on

this formula JUGAAD.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol " <mishra.lalit

wrote:

>

> Kulbir ji,

>

> Me and astrology is no way connected to each other, It became passion

> for some time, but, now, I am having other interests in life, I will

> goto politics and will aim at become president of the country, I am

> unable to see pain and corruption in country.

>

> I will lead this country my way, Hope malifics in 3,6 and 11 gives me

> that strength.

>

> Rest is God's play.

>

> regards,

> Lalit Mishra

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains

> <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> >

> > Sir ji, //Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those

> things

> > in

> >

> > your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will

> help

> > you in real life ?//

> > Your mail suggests that you have studied astrology extensively.

> > So my comment would be like showing a DIYA (lamp) to Sun.

> > But if you note charts of elevated personalities and see the position

> of

> > Rahu in their horoscopes, You will notice that this planet's

> SHUDHIKARAN was

> > instrumental in their elevation.

> > A planet with negative tendencies is a blessing in disguise as it

> holds the

> > potential for improvement.

> > A planet with positive tendencies has every possibility of being

> spoiled by

> > individuals actions.

> >

> > //Now that age also ends,New age of micro level real study of vedic

> > astrology begins, pls attune to this.//

> > Yes the old order changes-th.

> > The King Is Dead; Long Live The King.'

> >

> > Regards

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Astrologers,

> > >

> > > You are required in the society and expected to have more dignity

> then the

> > > rest, Astrology as a tool offering qualitatively better and much

> more

> > > effective help to humanity then any other branch of science or

> school of

> > > study.

> > >

> > > Recently, I acted as a terrible iconoclast, sometimes, destruction

> is

> > > required for construction of new and better structure.

> > >

> > > India as a country is a classic example of sufferings due to it's

> > > fascination with individualistic heroism, In severals parts of

> country

> > > people make temples for their political leaders, Film artists, This

> heriosm

> > > is deeply rooted in the astrology as well and reflects at occasions.

> > >

> > > Over the period, such a heroism turns a reason to suppress growth

> and

> > > innovation in almost every branch of study, Subjects like

> Mathematics,

> > > Physics have also suffered a lot from excessive heroism, In the

> invention of

> > > calculus Newton's fame didn't allow recognition of Leibnitz's great

> > > researches on Calculus, today, Leibnitz is equally respected as

> Newton.

> > >

> > > I wanted you to open up your heart and mind, we should have respect

> to work

> > > done by astrologers of previous generations but at the same time we

> should

> > > remain open for further developments.

> > >

> > > I respect BV Raman and family's contribution to astrology, I also

> respect

> > > contribution of Prof KN Rao and team, I recognize PVR Narsimha's

> > > contribution in Ganit (Mathematics) portion of vedic astrology, but,

> I

> > > wanted to let everybody know that everybody has some or other

> shortcomings,

> > > We need to follow them to contribute more then they contributed,

> instead

> > > of making them mythological character.

> > >

> > > There has been a myth in astrology community that in one life no one

> can

> > > learn astrology, My question is why ?We learn engineering in 4 yrs,

> medical

> > > science in 5 yrs then why we can not learn astrology in 3 - 4 yrs ?

> > >

> > > In 2006 July - August, I started learning astrology and went to buy

> PVR

> > > Narsimha's book - " Vedic Astrology an Interated Approach " , somehow,

> book

> > > didn't appeal to me but I mailed to PVR Narsimha with pleasure and

> respect

> > > that I wanted to buy his book, Then I bought Chandrashekhar Sharma's

> book, I

> > > got dissatisfied with this also.

> > >

> > > I have not gone to any school of astrology though I spent heavily on

> buying

> > > classics and other books of astrology, I went to several places out

> of Delhi

> > > in search of classics, I was asked in family why I am wasting so

> much on

> > > astrology, I could justify that as I don't smoke or drink or party,

> spending

> > > on astrology was justified.

> > >

> > > I collected more books then those available in BVB's library,

> particularly

> > > in mundane astrology, Since, I started learning, I had a

> astrological query

> > > as to why India became slave and why it got liberty in 1947, this

> query

> > > became the basis for revelation of several unknown things that I w'd

> > > certainly share with you all.

> > >

> > > I am not into astrology in any manner, only aim that I had is to

> give new

> > > thoughts and light to astrologers and astrology.

> > >

> > > I invented the factors behind naming of individuals, Astrology is so

> > > perfect that It can help letting know the name of the person whose

> horoscope

> > > is before you and it happens with Lahiri Ayanamsa, who dares tell

> Astrology

> > > is not a science ?

> > >

> > > My appeal to you is to work togather to discover new things and

> share with

> > > one and all, this is the way to respect our sages, let's follow them

> by

> > > following the way they worked, It's wrong to worship and use their

> name for

> > > our benefits for letting down other's significant wrong.

> > >

> > > I had trust and high level of respect for almost every school of

> astrology

> > > and I believed the content of their articals but when I validated

> them I

> > > found they lack the greatness that they talk about, I also found

> with no

> > > spiritual expereince some astrologer's are writing on spirituaity,

> and many

> > > times it's incorrect.

> > >

> > > You are not aware, when I found SwamiVivekananda's birth chart is

> > > incorrect, I did write mails to Prof Rao, Narsimha etc, even went to

> meet

> > > Mr Deepak Besaria two times requesting a review, I had trust that

> these guys

> > > are elevated people and they will review but soon my trust was

> broken, I

> > > found greatness is limited to boundaries of their school and

> articals, It

> > > was more projection then reality.

> > >

> > > Prof Rao did write that He is not well and same day as well as in

> coming

> > > days he kept posting articals on political affairs.

> > >

> > > PVR Narsimha, posted personal communication that was happening in

> between

> > > me and them for Swami Vivekannanda's chart to Jyoish Group and other

> groups

> > > where I am not a member, Why such an opportunistic behavior ? I was

> > > surprised at this behavior.

> > >

> > > Then I decided to challange them all, I am sorry to say, I didnt

> find great

> > > desha bhakti or anything, I revolted.

> > >

> > > I need all of you to do good and remain open in astrology, I don't

> do

> > > astrology, I dont do consultation, my effort is to invent more and

> share

> > > with you all so that you can serve people in better ways.

> > >

> > > What has been worst in astrology, people don't accept faults in

> their own

> > > charts, they try to present negatve factors as positive factors,

> Rahu has

> > > negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things in your

> life, how

> > > glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will help you in

> real life ?

> > >

> > > Mouji gave some dates when Jup-Venus conjoined, and It was found

> that every

> > > time their conjunction unearthed some or other scandals, so, what

> comes out,

> > > Planet's dont leave their karakatwa, pls study it more to overcome

> your's

> > > doubts.

> > >

> > > After the end of Raman's age, Rao's age came, Now that age also

> ends, New

> > > age of micro level real study of vedic astrology begins, pls attune

> to this.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > >

> >

>

March 12, 2010

Sir,

I have one great Jugar ... and that is a jugar with God, hope, it

should be enough to be able to serve our people.

Yesterday, I was worried on increasing issues at workplace by a group,

today, the mess is cleaned up.

regards,

Lalit Mishra

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Lalkitab "

<lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Sir,

> In that case you must study about JUGAAD.

> President of USA came to India with his team. about working style of

our political system and such allied subjects he got just one answer.

Sir, it is done by Jugaad.

> In His meeting with The PM of India Mr. Singh he offered many

incentives to India if Mr. Singh gives him this JUGAAD.

> Mr. Singh said Sorry, I can't do this because my government is running

only on this formula JUGAAD.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " litsol "

mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> >

> > Kulbir ji,

> >

> > Me and astrology is no way connected to each other, It became

passion

> > for some time, but, now, I am having other interests in life, I will

> > goto politics and will aim at become president of the country, I am

> > unable to see pain and corruption in country.

> >

> > I will lead this country my way, Hope malifics in 3,6 and 11 gives

me

> > that strength.

> >

> > Rest is God's play.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit Mishra

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains

> > <lalkitabkb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir ji, //Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve

those

> > things

> > > in

> > >

> > > your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion

will

> > help

> > > you in real life ?//

> > > Your mail suggests that you have studied astrology extensively.

> > > So my comment would be like showing a DIYA (lamp) to Sun.

> > > But if you note charts of elevated personalities and see the

position

> > of

> > > Rahu in their horoscopes, You will notice that this planet's

> > SHUDHIKARAN was

> > > instrumental in their elevation.

> > > A planet with negative tendencies is a blessing in disguise as it

> > holds the

> > > potential for improvement.

> > > A planet with positive tendencies has every possibility of being

> > spoiled by

> > > individuals actions.

> > >

> > > //Now that age also ends,New age of micro level real study of

vedic

> > > astrology begins, pls attune to this.//

> > > Yes the old order changes-th.

> > > The King Is Dead; Long Live The King.'

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > >

> > > > You are required in the society and expected to have more

dignity

> > then the

> > > > rest, Astrology as a tool offering qualitatively better and much

> > more

> > > > effective help to humanity then any other branch of science or

> > school of

> > > > study.

> > > >

> > > > Recently, I acted as a terrible iconoclast, sometimes,

destruction

> > is

> > > > required for construction of new and better structure.

> > > >

> > > > India as a country is a classic example of sufferings due to

it's

> > > > fascination with individualistic heroism, In severals parts of

> > country

> > > > people make temples for their political leaders, Film artists,

This

> > heriosm

> > > > is deeply rooted in the astrology as well and reflects at

occasions.

> > > >

> > > > Over the period, such a heroism turns a reason to suppress

growth

> > and

> > > > innovation in almost every branch of study, Subjects like

> > Mathematics,

> > > > Physics have also suffered a lot from excessive heroism, In the

> > invention of

> > > > calculus Newton's fame didn't allow recognition of Leibnitz's

great

> > > > researches on Calculus, today, Leibnitz is equally respected as

> > Newton.

> > > >

> > > > I wanted you to open up your heart and mind, we should have

respect

> > to work

> > > > done by astrologers of previous generations but at the same time

we

> > should

> > > > remain open for further developments.

> > > >

> > > > I respect BV Raman and family's contribution to astrology, I

also

> > respect

> > > > contribution of Prof KN Rao and team, I recognize PVR Narsimha's

> > > > contribution in Ganit (Mathematics) portion of vedic astrology,

but,

> > I

> > > > wanted to let everybody know that everybody has some or other

> > shortcomings,

> > > > We need to follow them to contribute more then they contributed,

> > instead

> > > > of making them mythological character.

> > > >

> > > > There has been a myth in astrology community that in one life no

one

> > can

> > > > learn astrology, My question is why ?We learn engineering in 4

yrs,

> > medical

> > > > science in 5 yrs then why we can not learn astrology in 3 - 4

yrs ?

> > > >

> > > > In 2006 July - August, I started learning astrology and went to

buy

> > PVR

> > > > Narsimha's book - " Vedic Astrology an Interated Approach " ,

somehow,

> > book

> > > > didn't appeal to me but I mailed to PVR Narsimha with pleasure

and

> > respect

> > > > that I wanted to buy his book, Then I bought Chandrashekhar

Sharma's

> > book, I

> > > > got dissatisfied with this also.

> > > >

> > > > I have not gone to any school of astrology though I spent

heavily on

> > buying

> > > > classics and other books of astrology, I went to several places

out

> > of Delhi

> > > > in search of classics, I was asked in family why I am wasting so

> > much on

> > > > astrology, I could justify that as I don't smoke or drink or

party,

> > spending

> > > > on astrology was justified.

> > > >

> > > > I collected more books then those available in BVB's library,

> > particularly

> > > > in mundane astrology, Since, I started learning, I had a

> > astrological query

> > > > as to why India became slave and why it got liberty in 1947,

this

> > query

> > > > became the basis for revelation of several unknown things that I

w'd

> > > > certainly share with you all.

> > > >

> > > > I am not into astrology in any manner, only aim that I had is to

> > give new

> > > > thoughts and light to astrologers and astrology.

> > > >

> > > > I invented the factors behind naming of individuals, Astrology

is so

> > > > perfect that It can help letting know the name of the person

whose

> > horoscope

> > > > is before you and it happens with Lahiri Ayanamsa, who dares

tell

> > Astrology

> > > > is not a science ?

> > > >

> > > > My appeal to you is to work togather to discover new things and

> > share with

> > > > one and all, this is the way to respect our sages, let's follow

them

> > by

> > > > following the way they worked, It's wrong to worship and use

their

> > name for

> > > > our benefits for letting down other's significant wrong.

> > > >

> > > > I had trust and high level of respect for almost every school of

> > astrology

> > > > and I believed the content of their articals but when I

validated

> > them I

> > > > found they lack the greatness that they talk about, I also found

> > with no

> > > > spiritual expereince some astrologer's are writing on

spirituaity,

> > and many

> > > > times it's incorrect.

> > > >

> > > > You are not aware, when I found SwamiVivekananda's birth chart

is

> > > > incorrect, I did write mails to Prof Rao, Narsimha etc, even

went to

> > meet

> > > > Mr Deepak Besaria two times requesting a review, I had trust

that

> > these guys

> > > > are elevated people and they will review but soon my trust was

> > broken, I

> > > > found greatness is limited to boundaries of their school and

> > articals, It

> > > > was more projection then reality.

> > > >

> > > > Prof Rao did write that He is not well and same day as well as

in

> > coming

> > > > days he kept posting articals on political affairs.

> > > >

> > > > PVR Narsimha, posted personal communication that was happening

in

> > between

> > > > me and them for Swami Vivekannanda's chart to Jyoish Group and

other

> > groups

> > > > where I am not a member, Why such an opportunistic behavior ? I

was

> > > > surprised at this behavior.

> > > >

> > > > Then I decided to challange them all, I am sorry to say, I didnt

> > find great

> > > > desha bhakti or anything, I revolted.

> > > >

> > > > I need all of you to do good and remain open in astrology, I

don't

> > do

> > > > astrology, I dont do consultation, my effort is to invent more

and

> > share

> > > > with you all so that you can serve people in better ways.

> > > >

> > > > What has been worst in astrology, people don't accept faults in

> > their own

> > > > charts, they try to present negatve factors as positive factors,

> > Rahu has

> > > > negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things in

your

> > life, how

> > > > glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will help you in

> > real life ?

> > > >

> > > > Mouji gave some dates when Jup-Venus conjoined, and It was found

> > that every

> > > > time their conjunction unearthed some or other scandals, so,

what

> > comes out,

> > > > Planet's dont leave their karakatwa, pls study it more to

overcome

> > your's

> > > > doubts.

> > > >

> > > > After the end of Raman's age, Rao's age came, Now that age also

> > ends, New

> > > > age of micro level real study of vedic astrology begins, pls

attune

> > to this.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 13, 2010

Friends,Kundali and kundalini shakti can make any thing feasible.ofcourse a wish is needed that comes through freewill.Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman"Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them"Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 3/12/10, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote:litsol <mishra.lalit[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: My Words to Astrologers !!To:

Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 12:52 PM

Kulbir ji,

Me and astrology is no way connected to each other, It became passion

for some time, but, now, I am having other interests in life, I will

goto politics and will aim at become president of the country, I am

unable to see pain and corruption in country.

I will lead this country my way, Hope malifics in 3,6 and 11 gives me

that strength.

Rest is God's play.

regards,

Lalit Mishra

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Kulbir Bains

<lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

>

> Sir ji, //Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those

things

> in

>

> your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will

help

> you in real life ?//

> Your mail suggests that you have studied astrology extensively.

> So my comment would be like showing a DIYA (lamp) to Sun.

> But if you note charts of elevated personalities and see the position

of

> Rahu in their horoscopes, You will notice that this planet's

SHUDHIKARAN was

> instrumental in their elevation.

> A planet with negative tendencies is a blessing in disguise as it

holds the

> potential for improvement.

> A planet with positive tendencies has every possibility of being

spoiled by

> individuals actions.

>

> //Now that age also ends,New age of micro level real study of vedic

> astrology begins, pls attune to this.//

> Yes the old order changes-th.

> The King Is Dead; Long Live The King.'

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains

>

> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ ... wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Astrologers,

> >

> > You are required in the society and expected to have more dignity

then the

> > rest, Astrology as a tool offering qualitatively better and much

more

> > effective help to humanity then any other branch of science or

school of

> > study.

> >

> > Recently, I acted as a terrible iconoclast, sometimes, destruction

is

> > required for construction of new and better structure.

> >

> > India as a country is a classic example of sufferings due to it's

> > fascination with individualistic heroism, In severals parts of

country

> > people make temples for their political leaders, Film artists, This

heriosm

> > is deeply rooted in the astrology as well and reflects at occasions.

> >

> > Over the period, such a heroism turns a reason to suppress growth

and

> > innovation in almost every branch of study, Subjects like

Mathematics,

> > Physics have also suffered a lot from excessive heroism, In the

invention of

> > calculus Newton's fame didn't allow recognition of Leibnitz's great

> > researches on Calculus, today, Leibnitz is equally respected as

Newton.

> >

> > I wanted you to open up your heart and mind, we should have respect

to work

> > done by astrologers of previous generations but at the same time we

should

> > remain open for further developments.

> >

> > I respect BV Raman and family's contribution to astrology, I also

respect

> > contribution of Prof KN Rao and team, I recognize PVR Narsimha's

> > contribution in Ganit (Mathematics) portion of vedic astrology, but,

I

> > wanted to let everybody know that everybody has some or other

shortcomings,

> > We need to follow them to contribute more then they contributed,

instead

> > of making them mythological character.

> >

> > There has been a myth in astrology community that in one life no one

can

> > learn astrology, My question is why ?We learn engineering in 4 yrs,

medical

> > science in 5 yrs then why we can not learn astrology in 3 - 4 yrs ?

> >

> > In 2006 July - August, I started learning astrology and went to buy

PVR

> > Narsimha's book - "Vedic Astrology an Interated Approach", somehow,

book

> > didn't appeal to me but I mailed to PVR Narsimha with pleasure and

respect

> > that I wanted to buy his book, Then I bought Chandrashekhar Sharma's

book, I

> > got dissatisfied with this also.

> >

> > I have not gone to any school of astrology though I spent heavily on

buying

> > classics and other books of astrology, I went to several places out

of Delhi

> > in search of classics, I was asked in family why I am wasting so

much on

> > astrology, I could justify that as I don't smoke or drink or party,

spending

> > on astrology was justified.

> >

> > I collected more books then those available in BVB's library,

particularly

> > in mundane astrology, Since, I started learning, I had a

astrological query

> > as to why India became slave and why it got liberty in 1947, this

query

> > became the basis for revelation of several unknown things that I w'd

> > certainly share with you all.

> >

> > I am not into astrology in any manner, only aim that I had is to

give new

> > thoughts and light to astrologers and astrology.

> >

> > I invented the factors behind naming of individuals, Astrology is so

> > perfect that It can help letting know the name of the person whose

horoscope

> > is before you and it happens with Lahiri Ayanamsa, who dares tell

Astrology

> > is not a science ?

> >

> > My appeal to you is to work togather to discover new things and

share with

> > one and all, this is the way to respect our sages, let's follow them

by

> > following the way they worked, It's wrong to worship and use their

name for

> > our benefits for letting down other's significant wrong.

> >

> > I had trust and high level of respect for almost every school of

astrology

> > and I believed the content of their articals but when I validated

them I

> > found they lack the greatness that they talk about, I also found

with no

> > spiritual expereince some astrologer's are writing on spirituaity,

and many

> > times it's incorrect.

> >

> > You are not aware, when I found SwamiVivekananda' s birth chart is

> > incorrect, I did write mails to Prof Rao, Narsimha etc, even went to

meet

> > Mr Deepak Besaria two times requesting a review, I had trust that

these guys

> > are elevated people and they will review but soon my trust was

broken, I

> > found greatness is limited to boundaries of their school and

articals, It

> > was more projection then reality.

> >

> > Prof Rao did write that He is not well and same day as well as in

coming

> > days he kept posting articals on political affairs.

> >

> > PVR Narsimha, posted personal communication that was happening in

between

> > me and them for Swami Vivekannanda' s chart to Jyoish Group and other

groups

> > where I am not a member, Why such an opportunistic behavior ? I was

> > surprised at this behavior.

> >

> > Then I decided to challange them all, I am sorry to say, I didnt

find great

> > desha bhakti or anything, I revolted.

> >

> > I need all of you to do good and remain open in astrology, I don't

do

> > astrology, I dont do consultation, my effort is to invent more and

share

> > with you all so that you can serve people in better ways.

> >

> > What has been worst in astrology, people don't accept faults in

their own

> > charts, they try to present negatve factors as positive factors,

Rahu has

> > negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things in your

life, how

> > glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will help you in

real life ?

> >

> > Mouji gave some dates when Jup-Venus conjoined, and It was found

that every

> > time their conjunction unearthed some or other scandals, so, what

comes out,

> > Planet's dont leave their karakatwa, pls study it more to overcome

your's

> > doubts.

> >

> > After the end of Raman's age, Rao's age came, Now that age also

ends, New

> > age of micro level real study of vedic astrology begins, pls attune

to this.

> >

> > regards,

> > Utkal.

> >

>

March 13, 2010

Sir ji,Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is Mystery.Best of luck.Regards

Kulbir Bains--- On Fri, 12/3/10, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote:litsol <mishra.lalit[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: My Words to Astrologers !!Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Friday, 12 March, 2010, 6:31 PM

Sir,

I have one great Jugar ... and that is a jugar with God, hope, it

should be enough to be able to serve our people.

Yesterday, I was worried on increasing issues at workplace by a group,

today, the mess is cleaned up.

regards,

Lalit Mishra

Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "Lalkitab"

<lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

>

> Sir,

> In that case you must study about JUGAAD.

> President of USA came to India with his team. about working style of

our political system and such allied subjects he got just one answer.

Sir, it is done by Jugaad.

> In His meeting with The PM of India Mr. Singh he offered many

incentives to India if Mr. Singh gives him this JUGAAD.

> Mr. Singh said Sorry, I can't do this because my government is running

only on this formula JUGAAD.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, "litsol"

mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> >

> > Kulbir ji,

> >

> > Me and astrology is no way connected to each other, It became

passion

> > for some time, but, now, I am having other interests in life, I will

> > goto politics and will aim at become president of the country, I am

> > unable to see pain and corruption in country.

> >

> > I will lead this country my way, Hope malifics in 3,6 and 11 gives

me

> > that strength.

> >

> > Rest is God's play.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit Mishra

> >

> > Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Kulbir Bains

> > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > Sir ji, //Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve

those

> > things

> > > in

> > >

> > > your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion

will

> > help

> > > you in real life ?//

> > > Your mail suggests that you have studied astrology extensively.

> > > So my comment would be like showing a DIYA (lamp) to Sun.

> > > But if you note charts of elevated personalities and see the

position

> > of

> > > Rahu in their horoscopes, You will notice that this planet's

> > SHUDHIKARAN was

> > > instrumental in their elevation.

> > > A planet with negative tendencies is a blessing in disguise as it

> > holds the

> > > potential for improvement.

> > > A planet with positive tendencies has every possibility of being

> > spoiled by

> > > individuals actions.

> > >

> > > //Now that age also ends,New age of micro level real study of

vedic

> > > astrology begins, pls attune to this.//

> > > Yes the old order changes-th.

> > > The King Is Dead; Long Live The King.'

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > >

> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Astrologers,

> > > >

> > > > You are required in the society and expected to have more

dignity

> > then the

> > > > rest, Astrology as a tool offering qualitatively better and much

> > more

> > > > effective help to humanity then any other branch of science or

> > school of

> > > > study.

> > > >

> > > > Recently, I acted as a terrible iconoclast, sometimes,

destruction

> > is

> > > > required for construction of new and better structure.

> > > >

> > > > India as a country is a classic example of sufferings due to

it's

> > > > fascination with individualistic heroism, In severals parts of

> > country

> > > > people make temples for their political leaders, Film artists,

This

> > heriosm

> > > > is deeply rooted in the astrology as well and reflects at

occasions.

> > > >

> > > > Over the period, such a heroism turns a reason to suppress

growth

> > and

> > > > innovation in almost every branch of study, Subjects like

> > Mathematics,

> > > > Physics have also suffered a lot from excessive heroism, In the

> > invention of

> > > > calculus Newton's fame didn't allow recognition of Leibnitz's

great

> > > > researches on Calculus, today, Leibnitz is equally respected as

> > Newton.

> > > >

> > > > I wanted you to open up your heart and mind, we should have

respect

> > to work

> > > > done by astrologers of previous generations but at the same time

we

> > should

> > > > remain open for further developments.

> > > >

> > > > I respect BV Raman and family's contribution to astrology, I

also

> > respect

> > > > contribution of Prof KN Rao and team, I recognize PVR Narsimha's

> > > > contribution in Ganit (Mathematics) portion of vedic astrology,

but,

> > I

> > > > wanted to let everybody know that everybody has some or other

> > shortcomings,

> > > > We need to follow them to contribute more then they contributed,

> > instead

> > > > of making them mythological character.

> > > >

> > > > There has been a myth in astrology community that in one life no

one

> > can

> > > > learn astrology, My question is why ?We learn engineering in 4

yrs,

> > medical

> > > > science in 5 yrs then why we can not learn astrology in 3 - 4

yrs ?

> > > >

> > > > In 2006 July - August, I started learning astrology and went to

buy

> > PVR

> > > > Narsimha's book - "Vedic Astrology an Interated Approach",

somehow,

> > book

> > > > didn't appeal to me but I mailed to PVR Narsimha with pleasure

and

> > respect

> > > > that I wanted to buy his book, Then I bought Chandrashekhar

Sharma's

> > book, I

> > > > got dissatisfied with this also.

> > > >

> > > > I have not gone to any school of astrology though I spent

heavily on

> > buying

> > > > classics and other books of astrology, I went to several places

out

> > of Delhi

> > > > in search of classics, I was asked in family why I am wasting so

> > much on

> > > > astrology, I could justify that as I don't smoke or drink or

party,

> > spending

> > > > on astrology was justified.

> > > >

> > > > I collected more books then those available in BVB's library,

> > particularly

> > > > in mundane astrology, Since, I started learning, I had a

> > astrological query

> > > > as to why India became slave and why it got liberty in 1947,

this

> > query

> > > > became the basis for revelation of several unknown things that I

w'd

> > > > certainly share with you all.

> > > >

> > > > I am not into astrology in any manner, only aim that I had is to

> > give new

> > > > thoughts and light to astrologers and astrology.

> > > >

> > > > I invented the factors behind naming of individuals, Astrology

is so

> > > > perfect that It can help letting know the name of the person

whose

> > horoscope

> > > > is before you and it happens with Lahiri Ayanamsa, who dares

tell

> > Astrology

> > > > is not a science ?

> > > >

> > > > My appeal to you is to work togather to discover new things and

> > share with

> > > > one and all, this is the way to respect our sages, let's follow

them

> > by

> > > > following the way they worked, It's wrong to worship and use

their

> > name for

> > > > our benefits for letting down other's significant wrong.

> > > >

> > > > I had trust and high level of respect for almost every school of

> > astrology

> > > > and I believed the content of their articals but when I

validated

> > them I

> > > > found they lack the greatness that they talk about, I also found

> > with no

> > > > spiritual expereince some astrologer's are writing on

spirituaity,

> > and many

> > > > times it's incorrect.

> > > >

> > > > You are not aware, when I found SwamiVivekananda' s birth chart

is

> > > > incorrect, I did write mails to Prof Rao, Narsimha etc, even

went to

> > meet

> > > > Mr Deepak Besaria two times requesting a review, I had trust

that

> > these guys

> > > > are elevated people and they will review but soon my trust was

> > broken, I

> > > > found greatness is limited to boundaries of their school and

> > articals, It

> > > > was more projection then reality.

> > > >

> > > > Prof Rao did write that He is not well and same day as well as

in

> > coming

> > > > days he kept posting articals on political affairs.

> > > >

> > > > PVR Narsimha, posted personal communication that was happening

in

> > between

> > > > me and them for Swami Vivekannanda' s chart to Jyoish Group and

other

> > groups

> > > > where I am not a member, Why such an opportunistic behavior ? I

was

> > > > surprised at this behavior.

> > > >

> > > > Then I decided to challange them all, I am sorry to say, I didnt

> > find great

> > > > desha bhakti or anything, I revolted.

> > > >

> > > > I need all of you to do good and remain open in astrology, I

don't

> > do

> > > > astrology, I dont do consultation, my effort is to invent more

and

> > share

> > > > with you all so that you can serve people in better ways.

> > > >

> > > > What has been worst in astrology, people don't accept faults in

> > their own

> > > > charts, they try to present negatve factors as positive factors,

> > Rahu has

> > > > negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things in

your

> > life, how

> > > > glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will help you in

> > real life ?

> > > >

> > > > Mouji gave some dates when Jup-Venus conjoined, and It was found

> > that every

> > > > time their conjunction unearthed some or other scandals, so,

what

> > comes out,

> > > > Planet's dont leave their karakatwa, pls study it more to

overcome

> > your's

> > > > doubts.

> > > >

> > > > After the end of Raman's age, Rao's age came, Now that age also

> > ends, New

> > > > age of micro level real study of vedic astrology begins, pls

attune

> > to this.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Thank you Sir,

I will follow your suggestion...--- On Sat, 3/13/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99Re: [Vedic Astrologyandhealing] Re: My Words to Astrologers !!Vedic Astrologyandhealing Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 6:52 AM

Friends,Kundali and kundalini shakti can make any thing feasible.ofcourse a wish is needed that comes through freewill.

Vattem Krishnan

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(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman" Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them"

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

--- On Fri, 3/12/10, litsol <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com> wrote:

litsol <mishra.lalit@ gmail.com>[Vedic Astrologyandh ealing] Re: My Words to Astrologers !!Vedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.comFriday, March 12, 2010, 12:52 PM

Kulbir ji,Me and astrology is no way connected to each other, It became passionfor some time, but, now, I am having other interests in life, I willgoto politics and will aim at become president of the country, I amunable to see pain and corruption in country.I will lead this country my way, Hope malifics in 3,6 and 11 gives methat strength.Rest is God's play.regards,Lalit MishraVedic Astrologyandhe aling@ s.com, Kulbir Bains<lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Sir ji, //Rahu has negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve thosethings> in>> your life, how glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion willhelp> you in real life ?//> Your mail suggests that you have studied astrology extensively.> So my comment would be like showing a DIYA (lamp) to Sun.> But if you note charts of

elevated personalities and see the positionof> Rahu in their horoscopes, You will notice that this planet'sSHUDHIKARAN was> instrumental in their elevation.> A planet with negative tendencies is a blessing in disguise as itholds the> potential for improvement.> A planet with positive tendencies has every possibility of beingspoiled by> individuals actions.>> //Now that age also ends,New age of micro level real study of vedic> astrology begins, pls attune to this.//> Yes the old order changes-th.> The King Is Dead; Long Live The King.'>> Regards> Kulbir Bains>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ ... wrote:>> >> >> > Dear Astrologers,> >> > You are required in the society and expected to have more dignitythen the> > rest, Astrology as a tool

offering qualitatively better and muchmore> > effective help to humanity then any other branch of science orschool of> > study.> >> > Recently, I acted as a terrible iconoclast, sometimes, destructionis> > required for construction of new and better structure.> >> > India as a country is a classic example of sufferings due to it's> > fascination with individualistic heroism, In severals parts ofcountry> > people make temples for their political leaders, Film artists, Thisheriosm> > is deeply rooted in the astrology as well and reflects at occasions.> >> > Over the period, such a heroism turns a reason to suppress growthand> > innovation in almost every branch of study, Subjects likeMathematics,> > Physics have also suffered a lot from excessive heroism, In theinvention of> >

calculus Newton's fame didn't allow recognition of Leibnitz's great> > researches on Calculus, today, Leibnitz is equally respected asNewton.> >> > I wanted you to open up your heart and mind, we should have respectto work> > done by astrologers of previous generations but at the same time weshould> > remain open for further developments.> >> > I respect BV Raman and family's contribution to astrology, I alsorespect> > contribution of Prof KN Rao and team, I recognize PVR Narsimha's> > contribution in Ganit (Mathematics) portion of vedic astrology, but,I> > wanted to let everybody know that everybody has some or othershortcomings,> > We need to follow them to contribute more then they contributed,instead> > of making them mythological character.> >> > There has been a myth in astrology

community that in one life no onecan> > learn astrology, My question is why ?We learn engineering in 4 yrs,medical> > science in 5 yrs then why we can not learn astrology in 3 - 4 yrs ?> >> > In 2006 July - August, I started learning astrology and went to buyPVR> > Narsimha's book - "Vedic Astrology an Interated Approach", somehow,book> > didn't appeal to me but I mailed to PVR Narsimha with pleasure andrespect> > that I wanted to buy his book, Then I bought Chandrashekhar Sharma'sbook, I> > got dissatisfied with this also.> >> > I have not gone to any school of astrology though I spent heavily onbuying> > classics and other books of astrology, I went to several places outof Delhi> > in search of classics, I was asked in family why I am wasting somuch on> > astrology, I could justify that

as I don't smoke or drink or party,spending> > on astrology was justified.> >> > I collected more books then those available in BVB's library,particularly> > in mundane astrology, Since, I started learning, I had aastrological query> > as to why India became slave and why it got liberty in 1947, thisquery> > became the basis for revelation of several unknown things that I w'd> > certainly share with you all.> >> > I am not into astrology in any manner, only aim that I had is togive new> > thoughts and light to astrologers and astrology.> >> > I invented the factors behind naming of individuals, Astrology is so> > perfect that It can help letting know the name of the person whosehoroscope> > is before you and it happens with Lahiri Ayanamsa, who dares tellAstrology> > is not a

science ?> >> > My appeal to you is to work togather to discover new things andshare with> > one and all, this is the way to respect our sages, let's follow themby> > following the way they worked, It's wrong to worship and use theirname for> > our benefits for letting down other's significant wrong.> >> > I had trust and high level of respect for almost every school ofastrology> > and I believed the content of their articals but when I validatedthem I> > found they lack the greatness that they talk about, I also foundwith no> > spiritual expereince some astrologer's are writing on spirituaity,and many> > times it's incorrect.> >> > You are not aware, when I found SwamiVivekananda' s birth chart is> > incorrect, I did write mails to Prof Rao, Narsimha etc, even went tomeet>

> Mr Deepak Besaria two times requesting a review, I had trust thatthese guys> > are elevated people and they will review but soon my trust wasbroken, I> > found greatness is limited to boundaries of their school andarticals, It> > was more projection then reality.> >> > Prof Rao did write that He is not well and same day as well as incoming> > days he kept posting articals on political affairs.> >> > PVR Narsimha, posted personal communication that was happening inbetween> > me and them for Swami Vivekannanda' s chart to Jyoish Group and othergroups> > where I am not a member, Why such an opportunistic behavior ? I was> > surprised at this behavior.> >> > Then I decided to challange them all, I am sorry to say, I didntfind great> > desha bhakti or anything, I revolted.>

>> > I need all of you to do good and remain open in astrology, I don'tdo> > astrology, I dont do consultation, my effort is to invent more andshare> > with you all so that you can serve people in better ways.> >> > What has been worst in astrology, people don't accept faults intheir own> > charts, they try to present negatve factors as positive factors,Rahu has> > negative karakawa, pls accept it and improve those things in yourlife, how> > glorifying Rahu or any planet out of proportion will help you inreal life ?> >> > Mouji gave some dates when Jup-Venus conjoined, and It was foundthat every> > time their conjunction unearthed some or other scandals, so, whatcomes out,> > Planet's dont leave their karakatwa, pls study it more to overcomeyour's> > doubts.> >> >

After the end of Raman's age, Rao's age came, Now that age alsoends, New> > age of micro level real study of vedic astrology begins, pls attuneto this.> >> > regards,> > Utkal.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>

March 16, 2010

Dear Mishra ji

Sadar Pranams!

I respect your views. you have very rightly said that the great science of Astrology is mostly in bad hands these days. Somehow we all are bound by the karma/destiny cycle. I hope some day will come when the whole world will appreciate this great science. Please be assured that the sincere efforts now matter how small never go unnoticed. They all have a special place in history which is the foundation of future.

With Regards and Sadar Pranams!

Warm Regards

Vivek

Vedic Astrologyandhealing From: mishra.lalitDate: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:55:29 +0000[Vedic Astrologyandhealing] My Words to Astrologers !!