RE: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident)

[Guest guest]

Dear M/S Sanjay Rath and Narahimha Rao and other members of

group,

Reference to the accident of Partha:

1, Solar return chart

Solar return charts are no way inferior to TP charts

In solar return chart, Muntha is placed in 6H with malefic

Saturn and

Sign Pisces is rising, This

had indicated a difficult year for

Partha both in

Financial and health front. Lagna Lord Jupiter is placed in

11H in Capricorn

with Rahu and Venus , lord of 8H. He had the accident in Moon/Mercury

Mudda Dasa.

We , in India

, had adopted this Tajic method with

some suitable amendments , as it is

having lot of

merit.

2, Tithi Pravesh

yearly chart

This is an old ancient method , adopted on same principles

as Vikram Samvat

Sar calendar.

Let us not bring names of the months in the picture as it

will further complicate the

Issue, In North and South India,

the name of the month in Shukla paksha

are same but it is not applicable to Krishna Paksha.

In North India , Purmanta

lunar Months are followed but Samvat starts in the end

of new moon.

This is the reason that Lord Krishna’s birth day is celebrated in whole India , on the

same day,But north says it is in Bhadra Krishna

Astami and south calls it Shravan Krishna

Astami.

Similarly, TP Yearly chart will be subjected to complex

problems.

Say a person is born when Sun is at 29 deg Pisces. In TP

yearl chart , if Sun comes in Pisces

9deg or Aries 8degree. The question is

which is to be adopted. Clearly in this case where Sun is more near to natal Sun. BPHS

allows an orb of 15 degree either side

of the planet.

 

Conclusion

In the nativity of Mr. Partha , the event of his accident as well as bad financial

condition is very evident and clear in Natal birth chart both by

Vimsottary , and Narayan dasas as well as Tajic and TP yearly charts.

 

GOD SHOULD SHOW THE CORRECT PARH. GURU SHOULD ALWAYS BE

MERCIFUL TO HIS DECIPLES AND DECIPLELS SHOLD SHOW RESPECT

TO GURU. Guru and disciple join each other to seek the truth

, only God is superior to all of us.

With kind regards and respect to all members of group.

G. K. Goel

From: astro_tellerkeralaDate: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:28:01 +0000 Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident)

 

 

 

 

 

Fw: Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident)

 

Dear All,

Sanjayji's analysis was outstanding.

As i said earlier, foot accident was one part of the story, my family also

 

suffered illhealth during the year and i had to run around hospitals for

most

part of the year.

Also i didnot have salary for months, there was constant humiliation in office

 

despite extreme hard work.

More than health, humiliation was the main theme of the year.

Probably AK Sun antardasa was running, so God showed me my place, or probably

 

was asking me to come back to Jyotish where i am not that bad.

Regards

 

Partha

 

sohamsa ,

"Sanjay Rath" <sjrath wrote:

>

>

> The Tithi Pravesha Chakra of 2008-09 clearly shows the event if we are

prepared to look for it. All standard jyotish rules must be used in the Tithi

Pravesh charts as taught by me in the past at SJC and in particular to

Narasimha.

> Rashi TP 2008

>

> Navamsha TP 2008

>

> 1.. Natal Chart of Partha Sarathy has Dhanus Lagna while the TP 2008-09 has

Mithuna Lagna which is not only the maraka bhava but also the badhaka bhava for

the chart. Therefore in the year 2008-09 mixed results will prevail with

the 7th

house indicating the events to come.

> 2.. Lagnesha Mercury is in the 6th house of accidents and suffering

and is

severely afflicted by two agni tattva planets Mars and Sun. This shows

astra-aghata and will surely bring operation or cutting of the body if other

factors also indicate so.

> 3.. Jupiter is the badhakesha of the chart and is well placed in own sign in

Hamsa yoga with mantresha Shukra indicating a period when he shall have lot of

time to do mantra japa. However the manner in which this will come about

may not

be good as Jupiter is in badhaka sign as badhakesh and is in Ghataka Nakshatra

from Simha rashi [Purva Ashadha is ghataka for Simha]. The Moon is another

maraka and is afflicted by Saturn. Now both Saturn and Jupiter, the two

tormentors of the Moon as 8th lord (Sat) and badhaka in ghataka nakshatra (Jup)

are in Scorpio Navamsha. Thus, Jupiter is in Roga-amsha I.e. navamsha of

the

sign in the 6th house of the rashi chart and as per Rasi-Tulya-Amsha, Jupiter

will indicate accidents and such other adverse results.

> 4.. Further, Jupiter is under severe papa-kartari yoga between Mars

and Sun

on the one side and Rahu in the 8th house , on the other side.

> 5.. There is unbroken Kala Sarpa Yoga working on this chart for the

year

2008-09 along the Rudra Axis = 2-8th house axis which is very dangerous.

There

is no breakage at all for the KSY and the native will have to suffer it.

> Timing of the event

> a.. Tithi Ashtottari Dasha: The event happened exactly when the maraka (7th)

bhava functioned in Jupiter dasha-Venus antardasa having the papa-kartari yoga.

> b.. Narayana Dasha: Exactly on the date Virgo dasha started with Mandi in it

in Sagittarius antardasha. In the Navamsha, Virgo is 7th house with Mars

in MKS

and Sagittarius has Ketu showing accidents. In D1, we have already seen how Sg

is geared for the event due to the Papa kartari Yoga.

> c.. Vimsottari dasa: (Personally I like this dasha very much). Jupiter dasha

Saturn antardasha. See the arguments to the Moon affliction. Any affliction to

the Moon will surely bring health related issues.

> So how can we say that the TP chart is not right or not working. On

the other

hand what is being suggested as a modification is that the Lunar months alone be

used. If that be so, then people born in Adhika/Mala maasa will actually

have

birthdays falling in every few years unless we stretch the rules to accommodate

them in the regular Lunar months.

> The traditional system, as I have learnt it, requires the Sun to be

the same

as *Sarvaatma Divakara - Sun is the representation of the soul and this cannot

change in one body*. This is the Aditya who brings us to this planet and

is

responsible for us continued existence. We have to respect its boundaries -

these are of 30 degrees each. So, if I am born with the Sun in Cancer, it must

remain so.

>

> In fact the Greek Astrology [Tajika jyotish] uses this in a very strict manner

in which the (1) Sun is brought back to the exact degree-minute of longitude for

Annual returns.

> However, we in Vedic use (1) Sun return to the same sign instead of

exact

degree and (2) Sun-Moon angle = Tithi and Karana to be the same.

> What Narasimha is suggesting is to drop (1) Sun factor altogether and only use

factor (2).

>

> No harm in testing this, but one must use standard jyotish rules to

test the

validity of the traditional system before replacing it with a new one.

> Regards

> Sanjay Rath

>

>

> Narasimha PVR Rao

> Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:51 AM

> vedic astrology

;

;JyotishWritings

> [vedic astrology] Re: TP controversy example (Partha's Accident)

>

>

>

> Namaste Goel saab,

>

> The issue is NOT whether natal Vimsottari dasa shows the event or not. The

issue is whether annual TP chart shows it or not.

>

> The native in question had an accident and was bed-ridden for 3 months. The

annual TP chart (using solar months) does not show it at all. If one says, "the

event happened even though annual TP chart does not shows it, because natal

Vimsottari dasa shows it", what is the point in even using annual TP charts?

>

> I agree that no technique works in a vacuum and with 100% accuracy.

But, any

good technique cannot be so badly off. It has to show an event to some degree or

the other. The exact degree to which an event happens is cumulatively decided by

many factors. But each good factor has to show the event to some degree or the

other.

>

> As I showed, by using soli-lunar months to make annual TP chart, you can see

that 12th lord Jupiter was debilitated and with Rahu and there were afflictions

in 12th, explaining the problem with foot. Dasa of a planet in 8th in rasi and

D-30 gave the accident. Annual TP chart explains the event quite well.

>

> If one sticks to a wrong definition of annual TP chart, one will occasionally

have to abandon it and take recourse to Vimsottari dasa.

>

> * * *

>

> As I said earlier, people do celebrate their soli-lunar birthday based on

soli-lunar month. For example, Lord Rama's birthday is celebrated on the

Sukla

Navami tithi of *Chaitra* months and not the Sukla Navami tithi of a specific

solar month (Meena or Mesha). Sun may be in Meena sometimes and Mesha sometimes,

on Sri Rama Navami. Same thing with the birthdays of individuals. Same thing

with annual TP chart.

>

> * * *

>

> Even Sanjay ji was not sure in late 1998 whether solar months or soli-lunar

months should be used. He asked me to research. We ended up teaching solar

months. The theorization that Sun, the soul, provides the anchor and hence Sun

should be in the same sign and be the same Aaditya, was popularized. But

deriving methods based on theorization and then trying to justify them

practically is like putting the bullock cart in front of the bullock. Bullock

should drive the cart and not the other way around. Methods should be derived

and confirmed based on practical working. One can after all theorize *anything*.

Principles should never be determined on the basis of theorization alone.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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