Guest guest Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 //In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, earthquakes, war, accidents, Do they have similar horoscopes. do all have mrityu yog? // You raised two points, Take your answers - 1. No two people on the earth get's identical horoscopes, every body has different in horoscope. 2. All those who died in a calamity, get's Mrityu Yog. Vedic astrology works on 3 parameters - Desh, Kaal and Patra. In order to understand what's vedic astrology, do a self study of "Brihad Parashara Hora Shastra", when you complete it's study, let me know about that, I will tell you what to read next. You take all the points of Lal Kitab one by one and I will be showing where they are incorrect and how to make them correct, alright ! Do not use the words and language I don't like, remember, I don't do first offense but if it's done from other side, I still give one or two chances but after that..... God knows !! Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:>> Chalie Sahib , Jaisi aapki ICCHA pehle point se hi shuru karte hain.> > AAPNE JUPITER 10 SE BAAT SHURU KI THI, ISSLIYE AAPKI US POINT PE GALATFAHMI> DOOR KARNA CHAHAT THA. kHAIR JAISA AAP CHAHEIN.> > So Bhai ji pehla point hai;-> > In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical> horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not> similar. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine,> earthquakes, war, accidents, Do they have similar horoscopes. do all have> mrityu yog?> > AAPne issse pehle message mein ik do earthquakes ki baat ki thi?> > DIN MEIN DO DAFA TO BAND GHADI KI SOONIYAN BHI SAHI BATA DETI HAIN.> > batiye kya method hai aapki astrology mein jo steek bhavoshvani kare har> baar.> > Dhandebaaz qaun hai isse logon ko decide karne dijiye.> > Aur yeh bhi bata dein ki VEDIC satrology se AAPKA kya tatparya hai?> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 8:45 PM, litsol mishra.lalit wrote:> > >> >> >> > Abe Dam hai tujhme aur teri Lal Kitab me to pahle point se baat kar le.> >> > Dhandhe Baaj, Fir Aukat Dikha ....> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>,> > Kulbir Bains> > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > >> > > Sahib; Batayi to sahi ki aapki sooi Jupiter 10 ke qaun se point pe> > atak> > > gayi. I have send you 5 messages requesting you to tell the same. Plus> > > explaining various principles. But you go on beating around the bush.> > > Now tell me which is BULLSHIT group - yours or some other's.> > > To hell with you. Daffa ho yaar.> > > Kulbir Bains.> > >> > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:07 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Agaaz Achha , Andaaz Achha, lekin usake baad kuchh bhi itna thik> > nahi> > > > ki thik kaha jaa sake.> > > >> > > > Janha Se Chaho Suru Kar Lo, ek - ek baat examine kar lete hai. dudh> > ka> > > > dudh aur pani ka pani ho jayega.> > > >> > > > Hath Kangan ko Arsi Kya...> > > >> > > > Lalit Mishra.> > > >> > > > --- In> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear lalit misra ji;> > > > > *Fir hesitation kis baat ki; bata do na ki point kya hai. Lets> > debate> > > > on> > > > > that point itself.*> > > > > *> > > > > *> > > > > * Jigar Moradabadi says ;-*> > > > >> > > > > *vo kaafir aashanaa naa aashnaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **> > > > > hamaari ibtadaa taa intahaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuiN bhii*> > > > >> > > > > *ta'ajjub kyaa agar rasm-e-vafaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **> > > > > ki husn-o-ishq kaa har masal'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*> > > > >> > > > > *kahii.n zarraa kahiin seharaa kahiin qataraa kahiin dariyaa** **> > > > > muhabbat aur us kaa silasilaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*> > > > >> > > > > *vo mujhase puuchhate hain ek maqasad merii hastii kaa** **> > > > > bataauu.N kyaa ki meraa mudd'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*> > > > >> > > > > *ham un se kyaa kahen vo jaane un kii maslahat jaane** **> > > > > hamaaraa haal-e-dil to baramalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*> > > > > *na paa lenaa teraa aasaa.N na kho denaa teraa mumakin** **> > > > > musiibat mein ye jaan-e-mubtalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Mr. Kulbir,> > > > > >> > > > > > What I speak, I speak with full authority and accountability,> > leave> > > > > > cursory reading, sometimes, even seeing one or two pages of a> > book> > > > is> > > > > > enough to understand how'z the content.> > > > > >> > > > > > You feel free to debate anything you are confident of.> > > > > >> > > > > > That what I said is After a point Lal Kitab is wrong, means> > that's> > > > the> > > > > > ultimate truth.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit Mishra.> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > > > ogroups.com>,> > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, I am not questioning your intellectual> > > > faculty> > > > > > but i> > > > > > > am 100 percent sure that CURSURY study of any system doesn't> > give> > > > you> > > > > > the> > > > > > > right to comment. It is a CASUAL attitude and doesn't give you> > a> > > > right> > > > > > to> > > > > > > comment.> > > > > > > Either prepare yourself for a full debate or don't display> > your> > > > half> > > > > > baked> > > > > > > rather un kneaded knowledge. PAGE 6. 1952 POINT NO. 4 KISSI> > BAAT> > > > KO> > > > > > AAZMANE> > > > > > > SE PEHLE OSE APNE JATI FAISLE SE GALAT SAMAJHKAR WAHAM KHADA> > KAR> > > > LENA> > > > > > > MAZMOON KI WAQFIAT KE LIYE MADADGAR NA HOGA.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > page 7 1952 POINT NO.9 ;- ISME SHAQ NAHIN KI LADAKAPAN KI> > TABIYAT> > > > > > WAALE> > > > > > > NINDAK ( BADKHOI KARNE WAALA) AUR QUEN KA MENDAK (APNE DAIYRE> > MEIN> > > > > > MEHDOD)> > > > > > > JAISE DIMAGI MAALIK AUR MAKHAUL UDDANE WAALE BHOLE BADSHAH> > > > (BEWAKOOF)> > > > > > SE> > > > > > > KARAHAT AA HI JAYA KARTI HAI. MAGAR DUNIAAVI SAATHIYON KO HASB> > E> > > > > > HASIYAT IS> > > > > > > ILLM SE FAIDA PAHUNCHANA INSAANI SHARAFAT HOGI KYONKI :- KAR> > BHALA> > > > -> > > > > > HO> > > > > > > BHALA AAKHEER BHALE KA BHALA.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > POINT NO. 8 DICTAES - BAT KI ASLIYAT KO PAANE KE LIYE KISSI> > DOOSRE> > > > > > ILLM YA> > > > > > > AALIM KI BADKHOI SE PARHEJ CHAHIYE.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > THAT'S WHY i am stopping here; otherwise AAPKI STATEMENT> > //Only> > > > Vedic> > > > > > > Astrology is eternal and wroks.// KI MAIN DHAJIYAN UDDA DETA.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:40 AM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Mr Kulbir,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have had a cursory study of Lal Kitab last year and I am> > aware> > > > of> > > > > > > > strong and weak points of content given in the Lal Kitab.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No doubt that given excerpt is nice.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra> > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > >> > > >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>> > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > > > ogroups.com>> > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > > > > >> > > > > > ogroups.com>,> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, First Read this, then comment, then I> > > > will> > > > > > remove> > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > other doubts also.> > > > > > > > > Basis of lalkitab sytem Part-1, the need to develop this> > > > system> > > > > > > > > *AAGAAZ*> > > > > > > > > *''HAATH REKHA KO SAMANDAR GINTE, NAZOOM FALLAK KA KAAM> > HUA;*> > > > > > > > > *ILLM KYAFA DONO MILTE , ''LAL KITAB'' NAAM HUA.''*> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a> > young> > > > man> > > > > > full> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible> > > > material> > > > > > > > tools of> > > > > > > > > success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine> > > > help> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > try to> > > > > > > > > succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone:> > but> > > > the> > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > were not as expected: instead he saw another person who> > was> > > > far> > > > > > under> > > > > > > > > -qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and> > > > bounds, he> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his> > mind> > > > asked> > > > > > him> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > find the reason for this.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He turned towards study of destiny.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In> > > > case of> > > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > it was observed that so many people have identical> > horoscopes> > > > but> > > > > > > > destinies> > > > > > > > > differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not> > similar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 years> > at> > > > rapid> > > > > > > > pace;> > > > > > > > > there is less change after 18 years, only branches from> > main> > > > lines> > > > > > > > change;> > > > > > > > > so how to depend on lines that change.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine,> > > > > > earthquakes,> > > > > > > > war,> > > > > > > > > accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time.> > Do> > > > the> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > > horoscopes and palms.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The biggest problem encountered with astrology was> > > > rectification> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > time; the palmistry portion's limitation was that it> > didn't> > > > > > > > give concrete> > > > > > > > > information about the articles, companions that play a> > crucial> > > > > > role in> > > > > > > > > outcome of destiny.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness> > and> > > > keen> > > > > > > > observation> > > > > > > > > * led to the answer that; When (as per the divine scheme)> > a> > > > soul> > > > > > > > enters the> > > > > > > > > womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also> > > > > > accompanies> > > > > > > > it. In> > > > > > > > > the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the> > karmic> > > > > > records'> > > > > > > > graph> > > > > > > > > influences the development of the brain, this development> > of> > > > > > brain, in> > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape to> > > > various> > > > > > > > limbs and> > > > > > > > > organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm.> > This> > > > > > karmic> > > > > > > > graph> > > > > > > > > can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding> > with> > > > the> > > > > > time> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the> > > > planetary> > > > > > > > influence> > > > > > > > > also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his> > > > relatives,> > > > > > > > animate> > > > > > > > > and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany> > him.> > > > So> > > > > > > > vaastu, face> > > > > > > > > reading, body structure, body language, handwriting> > analysis,> > > > > > eating> > > > > > > > habits,> > > > > > > > > behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were> > > > > > synchronized> > > > > > > > to see> > > > > > > > > the pattern.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Some of these karmic records' results can be moulded to> > > > native's> > > > > > > > advantage> > > > > > > > > as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others> > which> > > > are> > > > > > > > treated are> > > > > > > > > unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to suffer> > the> > > > > > > > results. Only> > > > > > > > > some person blessed with divine powers has the power to> > alter> > > > > > them:> > > > > > > > But then> > > > > > > > > also the result will be there, it is altered in the sense> > that> > > > the> > > > > > > > divine> > > > > > > > > person who alters them transfers the effects unto himself.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > `'duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee> > > > naheen"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible> > but> > > > there> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a> > subject> > > > which> > > > > > > > introduces> > > > > > > > > with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is> > very> > > > much> > > > > > like> > > > > > > > > mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool> > for> > > > > > > > protection for> > > > > > > > > peace of mind `' rooh ki shaanti''> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of stream> > of> > > > > > fortune> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing that> > > > > > > > obstruction. But> > > > > > > > > it cannot deliver which ,as comprehended through jyotish,> > is> > > > not> > > > > > > > promised.> > > > > > > > > Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native he> > can> > > > be> > > > > > > > protected> > > > > > > > > with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a lion> > > > comes> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > attack> > > > > > > > > the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the> > > > protection of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > native; if the attack from lion becomes ferocious; the> > wall> > > > will> > > > > > > > increase> > > > > > > > > it's height for protection but neither will it shoot the> > lion> > > > or> > > > > > > > catch hold> > > > > > > > > of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the lion will> > > > yield by> > > > > > > > fatigue> > > > > > > > > and abandon the idea of attacking the native. Lalkitab> > cannot> > > > be> > > > > > used> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > harm others; rather it is a subject which will be helpful> > in> > > > > > > > establishing> > > > > > > > > harmonious relations between inimical tendencies.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess> > what's> > > > said> > > > > > > > about> > > > > > > > > > 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases,> > not> > > > every> > > > > > > > thng seems> > > > > > > > > > to be said by a spirit.//> > > > > > > > > > May I know the exact point.> > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol mishra.lalit@> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that his> > > > predictions> > > > > > on> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > >> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checkd> > the> > > > same> > > > > > on my> > > > > > > > and some> > > > > > > > > >> more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very> > > > limited> > > > > > > > appliction.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks in order> > to> > > > fit> > > > > > into> > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > >> event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him to> > predict 5> > > > > > future> > > > > > > > event of> > > > > > > > > >> any 5 people's life, the baloon will get punctured,> > Once I> > > > > > > > challanged either> > > > > > > > > >> to him or to his chief shishya who runs his group and> > he> > > > left> > > > > > our> > > > > > > > group.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal> > yoga> > > > in> > > > > > their> > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > >> has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to> > > > distract> > > > > > > > people from> > > > > > > > > >> the right path and make some name for them.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's> > can> > > > not> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > relied> > > > > > > > > >> upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak verga> > is> > > > > > > > assessment of> > > > > > > > > >> strength of a house and a planet.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to> > understand> > > > > > impact of> > > > > > > > > >> transit, again a limited application.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's> > said> > > > about> > > > > > > > 10'th> > > > > > > > > >> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not> > every> > > > thng> > > > > > > > seems to be> > > > > > > > > >> said by a spirit.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Lalit Mishra.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Agreed Sir,My apologies for the language.your answer number .1 //1. No two people on the earth get's identical horoscopes, every body has different in horoscope. Where is it written in BPHS?.YOUR ANSWER NUMBER 2. //All those who died in a calamity, get's Mrityu Yog// I shall send in data of people who died in accidents at same time. kindly show me mrityu yog in it.par jupiter 10 wala point abhi tak nahin bataya ji aapne? Misra ji aapko galatfahmi ho gayi ; pata nahin quon, main koi dhandebaaz nahin; vidhyaratji hoon; jnan aapse mile chahe kahin aur se; kahin se bhi. main apni khushkismati samajhta hoon. RegardsKulbir Bains.On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:49 PM, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote: //In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, earthquakes, war, accidents, Do they have similar horoscopes. do all have mrityu yog? // You raised two points, Take your answers - 1. No two people on the earth get's identical horoscopes, every body has different in horoscope. 2. All those who died in a calamity, get's Mrityu Yog. Vedic astrology works on 3 parameters - Desh, Kaal and Patra. In order to understand what's vedic astrology, do a self study of " Brihad Parashara Hora Shastra " , when you complete it's study, let me know about that, I will tell you what to read next. You take all the points of Lal Kitab one by one and I will be showing where they are incorrect and how to make them correct, alright ! Do not use the words and language I don't like, remember, I don't do first offense but if it's done from other side, I still give one or two chances but after that..... God knows !! Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:>> Chalie Sahib , Jaisi aapki ICCHA pehle point se hi shuru karte hain. > > AAPNE JUPITER 10 SE BAAT SHURU KI THI, ISSLIYE AAPKI US POINT PE GALATFAHMI> DOOR KARNA CHAHAT THA. kHAIR JAISA AAP CHAHEIN.> > So Bhai ji pehla point hai;-> > In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical > horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not> similar. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine,> earthquakes, war, accidents, Do they have similar horoscopes. do all have > mrityu yog?> > AAPne issse pehle message mein ik do earthquakes ki baat ki thi?> > DIN MEIN DO DAFA TO BAND GHADI KI SOONIYAN BHI SAHI BATA DETI HAIN.> > batiye kya method hai aapki astrology mein jo steek bhavoshvani kare har > baar.> > Dhandebaaz qaun hai isse logon ko decide karne dijiye.> > Aur yeh bhi bata dein ki VEDIC satrology se AAPKA kya tatparya hai?> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 8:45 PM, litsol mishra.lalit wrote:> > >> >> >> > Abe Dam hai tujhme aur teri Lal Kitab me to pahle point se baat kar le. > >> > Dhandhe Baaj, Fir Aukat Dikha ....> >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > > Kulbir Bains> > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > >> > > Sahib; Batayi to sahi ki aapki sooi Jupiter 10 ke qaun se point pe> > atak> > > gayi. I have send you 5 messages requesting you to tell the same. Plus > > > explaining various principles. But you go on beating around the bush.> > > Now tell me which is BULLSHIT group - yours or some other's.> > > To hell with you. Daffa ho yaar. > > > Kulbir Bains.> > >> > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:07 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Agaaz Achha , Andaaz Achha, lekin usake baad kuchh bhi itna thik > > nahi> > > > ki thik kaha jaa sake.> > > >> > > > Janha Se Chaho Suru Kar Lo, ek - ek baat examine kar lete hai. dudh> > ka> > > > dudh aur pani ka pani ho jayega. > > > >> > > > Hath Kangan ko Arsi Kya...> > > >> > > > Lalit Mishra.> > > >> > > > --- In> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>,> > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Dear lalit misra ji;> > > > > *Fir hesitation kis baat ki; bata do na ki point kya hai. Lets> > debate> > > > on> > > > > that point itself.* > > > > > *> > > > > *> > > > > * Jigar Moradabadi says ;-*> > > > >> > > > > *vo kaafir aashanaa naa aashnaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** ** > > > > > hamaari ibtadaa taa intahaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuiN bhii*> > > > >> > > > > *ta'ajjub kyaa agar rasm-e-vafaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** **> > > > > ki husn-o-ishq kaa har masal'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii* > > > > >> > > > > *kahii.n zarraa kahiin seharaa kahiin qataraa kahiin dariyaa** **> > > > > muhabbat aur us kaa silasilaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*> > > > > > > > > > *vo mujhase puuchhate hain ek maqasad merii hastii kaa** **> > > > > bataauu.N kyaa ki meraa mudd'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*> > > > >> > > > > *ham un se kyaa kahen vo jaane un kii maslahat jaane** ** > > > > > hamaaraa haal-e-dil to baramalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii*> > > > > *na paa lenaa teraa aasaa.N na kho denaa teraa mumakin** **> > > > > musiibat mein ye jaan-e-mubtalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii* > > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Mr. Kulbir,> > > > > >> > > > > > What I speak, I speak with full authority and accountability, > > leave> > > > > > cursory reading, sometimes, even seeing one or two pages of a> > book> > > > is> > > > > > enough to understand how'z the content. > > > > > >> > > > > > You feel free to debate anything you are confident of.> > > > > >> > > > > > That what I said is After a point Lal Kitab is wrong, means > > that's> > > > the> > > > > > ultimate truth.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > > >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > > > ogroups.com>, > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, I am not questioning your intellectual > > > > faculty> > > > > > but i> > > > > > > am 100 percent sure that CURSURY study of any system doesn't> > give> > > > you> > > > > > the > > > > > > > right to comment. It is a CASUAL attitude and doesn't give you> > a> > > > right> > > > > > to> > > > > > > comment. > > > > > > > Either prepare yourself for a full debate or don't display> > your> > > > half> > > > > > baked> > > > > > > rather un kneaded knowledge. PAGE 6. 1952 POINT NO. 4 KISSI > > BAAT> > > > KO> > > > > > AAZMANE> > > > > > > SE PEHLE OSE APNE JATI FAISLE SE GALAT SAMAJHKAR WAHAM KHADA> > KAR> > > > LENA > > > > > > > MAZMOON KI WAQFIAT KE LIYE MADADGAR NA HOGA.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > page 7 1952 POINT NO.9 ;- ISME SHAQ NAHIN KI LADAKAPAN KI> > TABIYAT > > > > > > WAALE> > > > > > > NINDAK ( BADKHOI KARNE WAALA) AUR QUEN KA MENDAK (APNE DAIYRE> > MEIN> > > > > > MEHDOD)> > > > > > > JAISE DIMAGI MAALIK AUR MAKHAUL UDDANE WAALE BHOLE BADSHAH > > > > (BEWAKOOF)> > > > > > SE> > > > > > > KARAHAT AA HI JAYA KARTI HAI. MAGAR DUNIAAVI SAATHIYON KO HASB> > E> > > > > > HASIYAT IS > > > > > > > ILLM SE FAIDA PAHUNCHANA INSAANI SHARAFAT HOGI KYONKI :- KAR> > BHALA> > > > -> > > > > > HO> > > > > > > BHALA AAKHEER BHALE KA BHALA. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > POINT NO. 8 DICTAES - BAT KI ASLIYAT KO PAANE KE LIYE KISSI> > DOOSRE> > > > > > ILLM YA> > > > > > > AALIM KI BADKHOI SE PARHEJ CHAHIYE. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > THAT'S WHY i am stopping here; otherwise AAPKI STATEMENT> > //Only> > > > Vedic> > > > > > > Astrology is eternal and wroks.// KI MAIN DHAJIYAN UDDA DETA. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:40 AM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Mr Kulbir, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I have had a cursory study of Lal Kitab last year and I am> > aware> > > > of> > > > > > > > strong and weak points of content given in the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No doubt that given excerpt is nice.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > >> > > >> > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > ogroups.com>> > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > > > ogroups.com> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\> > > > > >> > > > > > ogroups.com>,> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, First Read this, then comment, then I > > > > will> > > > > > remove> > > > > > > > your> > > > > > > > > other doubts also.> > > > > > > > > Basis of lalkitab sytem Part-1, the need to develop this > > > > system> > > > > > > > > *AAGAAZ*> > > > > > > > > *''HAATH REKHA KO SAMANDAR GINTE, NAZOOM FALLAK KA KAAM> > HUA;*> > > > > > > > > *ILLM KYAFA DONO MILTE , ''LAL KITAB'' NAAM HUA.''* > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a> > young> > > > man > > > > > > full> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible> > > > material > > > > > > > > tools of> > > > > > > > > success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine> > > > help> > > > > > but > > > > > > > > try to> > > > > > > > > succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone:> > but> > > > the> > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > were not as expected: instead he saw another person who> > was> > > > far> > > > > > under> > > > > > > > > -qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and > > > > bounds, he> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his> > mind> > > > asked > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > find the reason for this.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He turned towards study of destiny. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In> > > > case of > > > > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > > it was observed that so many people have identical> > horoscopes> > > > but> > > > > > > > destinies > > > > > > > > > differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not> > similar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 years > > at> > > > rapid> > > > > > > > pace;> > > > > > > > > there is less change after 18 years, only branches from> > main> > > > lines > > > > > > > > change;> > > > > > > > > so how to depend on lines that change.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, > > > > > > earthquakes,> > > > > > > > war,> > > > > > > > > accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time.> > Do> > > > the > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > similar> > > > > > > > > horoscopes and palms.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The biggest problem encountered with astrology was > > > > rectification> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > time; the palmistry portion's limitation was that it > > didn't> > > > > > > > give concrete> > > > > > > > > information about the articles, companions that play a> > crucial> > > > > > role in > > > > > > > > > outcome of destiny.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > *Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness> > and > > > > keen> > > > > > > > observation> > > > > > > > > * led to the answer that; When (as per the divine scheme)> > a> > > > soul > > > > > > > > enters the> > > > > > > > > womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also> > > > > > accompanies> > > > > > > > it. In > > > > > > > > > the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the> > karmic> > > > > > records'> > > > > > > > graph> > > > > > > > > influences the development of the brain, this development > > of> > > > > > brain, in> > > > > > > > turn> > > > > > > > > is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape to> > > > various > > > > > > > > limbs and> > > > > > > > > organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm.> > This> > > > > > karmic> > > > > > > > graph > > > > > > > > > can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding> > with> > > > the> > > > > > time> > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the> > > > planetary> > > > > > > > influence> > > > > > > > > also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his > > > > relatives,> > > > > > > > animate> > > > > > > > > and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany> > him.> > > > So > > > > > > > > vaastu, face> > > > > > > > > reading, body structure, body language, handwriting> > analysis,> > > > > > eating> > > > > > > > habits, > > > > > > > > > behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were> > > > > > synchronized> > > > > > > > to see> > > > > > > > > the pattern. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Some of these karmic records' results can be moulded to> > > > native's> > > > > > > > advantage > > > > > > > > > as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others> > which> > > > are> > > > > > > > treated are> > > > > > > > > unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to suffer > > the> > > > > > > > results. Only> > > > > > > > > some person blessed with divine powers has the power to> > alter> > > > > > them: > > > > > > > > But then> > > > > > > > > also the result will be there, it is altered in the sense> > that> > > > the> > > > > > > > divine > > > > > > > > > person who alters them transfers the effects unto himself.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > `'duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee > > > > naheen " > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible> > but> > > > there > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a> > subject> > > > which > > > > > > > > introduces> > > > > > > > > with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is> > very> > > > much> > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool> > for> > > > > > > > protection for> > > > > > > > > peace of mind `' rooh ki shaanti'' > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of stream> > of> > > > > > fortune> > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing that> > > > > > > > obstruction. But> > > > > > > > > it cannot deliver which ,as comprehended through jyotish, > > is> > > > not> > > > > > > > promised.> > > > > > > > > Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native he> > can> > > > be > > > > > > > > protected> > > > > > > > > with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a lion> > > > comes> > > > > > to > > > > > > > > attack> > > > > > > > > the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the> > > > protection of> > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > native; if the attack from lion becomes ferocious; the> > wall> > > > will> > > > > > > > increase> > > > > > > > > it's height for protection but neither will it shoot the > > lion> > > > or> > > > > > > > catch hold> > > > > > > > > of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the lion will> > > > yield by > > > > > > > > fatigue> > > > > > > > > and abandon the idea of attacking the native. Lalkitab> > cannot> > > > be> > > > > > used > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > harm others; rather it is a subject which will be helpful> > in> > > > > > > > establishing > > > > > > > > > harmonious relations between inimical tendencies.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess> > what's> > > > said> > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases,> > not> > > > every> > > > > > > > thng seems> > > > > > > > > > to be said by a spirit.// > > > > > > > > > > May I know the exact point.> > > > > > > > > > regards> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol mishra.lalit@> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that his> > > > predictions> > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > >> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checkd> > the> > > > same> > > > > > on my > > > > > > > > and some> > > > > > > > > >> more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very> > > > limited> > > > > > > > appliction. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks in order> > to> > > > fit> > > > > > into > > > > > > > > post> > > > > > > > > >> event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him to> > predict 5> > > > > > future> > > > > > > > event of > > > > > > > > > >> any 5 people's life, the baloon will get punctured,> > Once I> > > > > > > > challanged either> > > > > > > > > >> to him or to his chief shishya who runs his group and > > he> > > > left> > > > > > our> > > > > > > > group.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal > > yoga> > > > in> > > > > > their> > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > >> has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to > > > > distract> > > > > > > > people from> > > > > > > > > >> the right path and make some name for them.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's> > can> > > > not> > > > > > be> > > > > > > > relied > > > > > > > > > >> upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak verga> > is> > > > > > > > assessment of> > > > > > > > > >> strength of a house and a planet. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to> > understand> > > > > > impact of > > > > > > > > > >> transit, again a limited application.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's > > said> > > > about> > > > > > > > 10'th> > > > > > > > > >> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not> > every > > > > thng> > > > > > > > seems to be> > > > > > > > > >> said by a spirit.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks. > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> Lalit Mishra.> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 You have not read my mail attentively, I have been saying about earth quakes are likely to come since July 2009, had sent around half a dozen mails to KN Rao and other eminent scholars of his Bharti Vidya Bhawan. Accountability for " Truth " and " Mother Devine " s blessings are keys led to make accurate predictions. You are suggested to read " Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra " to understand Vedic Astrology, in the brief I had told about parameters of Vedic Astrology - Desh, Kaal and Patra Feel free to give data whatever you have got, there will be answer for you. I trust, you won't give incorrect data, an incorrect data won't affect us as such cases are already seen but an incorrect data w'd affect you only. I am going ahead from the very first point, Jup in 10'th will surely come. Gyan Ke Lalach me Sharafat, Usool Aur Insaniyat Kho Dene Se Bacho, Usssol gaye to Gyan Kabhi Nahi Milega, Khudai Kanun Aisa hi Hai, Wahi Sare Gyan Ka Malik Hai, Uska hi Kanun Chalata Hai. Lalit Mishra. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Sir ji, iska jawab rah gaya pehle message mein aapse. // AAPne issse pehle > message mein ik do earthquakes ki baat ki thi? > DIN MEIN DO DAFA TO BAND GHADI KI SOONIYAN BHI SAHI BATA DETI HAIN. > batiye kya method hai aapki astrology mein jo steek bhavoshvani kare > har baar.? > and > //VEDIC satrology se AAPKA kya tatparya hai?// > regards > Kulbir Bains. > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb wrote: > > > Agreed Sir, > > My apologies for the language. > > your answer number .1 //1. No two people on the earth get's identical > > horoscopes, every body has different in horoscope. > > Where is it written in BPHS?. > > YOUR ANSWER NUMBER 2. //All those who died in a calamity, get's Mrityu > > Yog// > > I shall send in data of people who died in accidents at same time. kindly > > show me mrityu yog in it. > > par jupiter 10 wala point abhi tak nahin bataya ji aapne? > > Misra ji aapko galatfahmi ho gayi ; pata nahin quon, main koi dhandebaaz > > nahin; vidhyaratji hoon; jnan aapse mile chahe kahin aur se; kahin se bhi. > > main apni khushkismati samajhta hoon. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:49 PM, litsol mishra.lalit wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> // > >> > >> > >> In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical > >> horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not > >> similar. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, > >> earthquakes, war, accidents, Do they have similar horoscopes. do all have > >> mrityu yog? > >> > >> // > >> > >> You raised two points, Take your answers - > >> > >> 1. No two people on the earth get's identical horoscopes, every body has > >> different in horoscope. > >> > >> 2. All those who died in a calamity, get's Mrityu Yog. > >> > >> Vedic astrology works on 3 parameters - Desh, Kaal and Patra. > >> > >> In order to understand what's vedic astrology, do a self study of " Brihad > >> Parashara Hora Shastra " , when you complete it's study, let me know about > >> that, I will tell you what to read next. > >> > >> You take all the points of Lal Kitab one by one and I will be showing > >> where they are incorrect and how to make them correct, alright ! > >> > >> Do not use the words and language I don't like, remember, I don't do first > >> offense but if it's done from other side, I still give one or two chances > >> but after that..... God knows !! > >> > >> Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains > >> lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > > >> > Chalie Sahib , Jaisi aapki ICCHA pehle point se hi shuru karte hain. > >> > > >> > AAPNE JUPITER 10 SE BAAT SHURU KI THI, ISSLIYE AAPKI US POINT PE > >> GALATFAHMI > >> > DOOR KARNA CHAHAT THA. kHAIR JAISA AAP CHAHEIN. > >> > > >> > So Bhai ji pehla point hai;- > >> > > >> > In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have identical > >> > horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins are > >> not > >> > similar. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, > >> > earthquakes, war, accidents, Do they have similar horoscopes. do all > >> have > >> > mrityu yog? > >> > > >> > AAPne issse pehle message mein ik do earthquakes ki baat ki thi? > >> > > >> > DIN MEIN DO DAFA TO BAND GHADI KI SOONIYAN BHI SAHI BATA DETI HAIN. > >> > > >> > batiye kya method hai aapki astrology mein jo steek bhavoshvani kare har > >> > baar. > >> > > >> > Dhandebaaz qaun hai isse logon ko decide karne dijiye. > >> > > >> > Aur yeh bhi bata dein ki VEDIC satrology se AAPKA kya tatparya hai? > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 8:45 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Abe Dam hai tujhme aur teri Lal Kitab me to pahle point se baat kar > >> le. > >> > > > >> > > Dhandhe Baaj, Fir Aukat Dikha .... > >> > > > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > >> > >> > > Kulbir Bains > >> > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Sahib; Batayi to sahi ki aapki sooi Jupiter 10 ke qaun se point pe > >> > > atak > >> > > > gayi. I have send you 5 messages requesting you to tell the same. > >> Plus > >> > > > explaining various principles. But you go on beating around the > >> bush. > >> > > > Now tell me which is BULLSHIT group - yours or some other's. > >> > > > To hell with you. Daffa ho yaar. > >> > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > > > >> > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:07 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Agaaz Achha , Andaaz Achha, lekin usake baad kuchh bhi itna thik > >> > > nahi > >> > > > > ki thik kaha jaa sake. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Janha Se Chaho Suru Kar Lo, ek - ek baat examine kar lete hai. > >> dudh > >> > > ka > >> > > > > dudh aur pani ka pani ho jayega. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Hath Kangan ko Arsi Kya... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Lalit Mishra. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > --- In > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > >> 40> > >> > >> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > > ogroups.com>, > >> > > > > Kulbir Bains > >> > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear lalit misra ji; > >> > > > > > *Fir hesitation kis baat ki; bata do na ki point kya hai. Lets > >> > > debate > >> > > > > on > >> > > > > > that point itself.* > >> > > > > > * > >> > > > > > * > >> > > > > > * Jigar Moradabadi says ;-* > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > *vo kaafir aashanaa naa aashnaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** ** > >> > > > > > hamaari ibtadaa taa intahaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuiN bhii* > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > *ta'ajjub kyaa agar rasm-e-vafaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii** > >> ** > >> > > > > > ki husn-o-ishq kaa har masal'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii* > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > *kahii.n zarraa kahiin seharaa kahiin qataraa kahiin dariyaa** > >> ** > >> > > > > > muhabbat aur us kaa silasilaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii* > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > *vo mujhase puuchhate hain ek maqasad merii hastii kaa** ** > >> > > > > > bataauu.N kyaa ki meraa mudd'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii* > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > *ham un se kyaa kahen vo jaane un kii maslahat jaane** ** > >> > > > > > hamaaraa haal-e-dil to baramalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii* > >> > > > > > *na paa lenaa teraa aasaa.N na kho denaa teraa mumakin** ** > >> > > > > > musiibat mein ye jaan-e-mubtalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii* > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Regards > >> > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Kulbir, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > What I speak, I speak with full authority and accountability, > >> > > leave > >> > > > > > > cursory reading, sometimes, even seeing one or two pages of a > >> > > book > >> > > > > is > >> > > > > > > enough to understand how'z the content. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > You feel free to debate anything you are confident of. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > That what I said is After a point Lal Kitab is wrong, means > >> > > that's > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > ultimate truth. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > regards, > >> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In > >> > > > > > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > >> 40> > >> > >> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > > ogroups.com> > >> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > > > > ogroups.com>, > >> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > >> > > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, I am not questioning your intellectual > >> > > > > faculty > >> > > > > > > but i > >> > > > > > > > am 100 percent sure that CURSURY study of any system doesn't > >> > > give > >> > > > > you > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > right to comment. It is a CASUAL attitude and doesn't give > >> you > >> > > a > >> > > > > right > >> > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > comment. > >> > > > > > > > Either prepare yourself for a full debate or don't display > >> > > your > >> > > > > half > >> > > > > > > baked > >> > > > > > > > rather un kneaded knowledge. PAGE 6. 1952 POINT NO. 4 KISSI > >> > > BAAT > >> > > > > KO > >> > > > > > > AAZMANE > >> > > > > > > > SE PEHLE OSE APNE JATI FAISLE SE GALAT SAMAJHKAR WAHAM KHADA > >> > > KAR > >> > > > > LENA > >> > > > > > > > MAZMOON KI WAQFIAT KE LIYE MADADGAR NA HOGA. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > page 7 1952 POINT NO.9 ;- ISME SHAQ NAHIN KI LADAKAPAN KI > >> > > TABIYAT > >> > > > > > > WAALE > >> > > > > > > > NINDAK ( BADKHOI KARNE WAALA) AUR QUEN KA MENDAK (APNE > >> DAIYRE > >> > > MEIN > >> > > > > > > MEHDOD) > >> > > > > > > > JAISE DIMAGI MAALIK AUR MAKHAUL UDDANE WAALE BHOLE BADSHAH > >> > > > > (BEWAKOOF) > >> > > > > > > SE > >> > > > > > > > KARAHAT AA HI JAYA KARTI HAI. MAGAR DUNIAAVI SAATHIYON KO > >> HASB > >> > > E > >> > > > > > > HASIYAT IS > >> > > > > > > > ILLM SE FAIDA PAHUNCHANA INSAANI SHARAFAT HOGI KYONKI :- KAR > >> > > BHALA > >> > > > > - > >> > > > > > > HO > >> > > > > > > > BHALA AAKHEER BHALE KA BHALA. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > POINT NO. 8 DICTAES - BAT KI ASLIYAT KO PAANE KE LIYE KISSI > >> > > DOOSRE > >> > > > > > > ILLM YA > >> > > > > > > > AALIM KI BADKHOI SE PARHEJ CHAHIYE. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > THAT'S WHY i am stopping here; otherwise AAPKI STATEMENT > >> > > //Only > >> > > > > Vedic > >> > > > > > > > Astrology is eternal and wroks.// KI MAIN DHAJIYAN UDDA > >> DETA. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:40 AM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Kulbir, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have had a cursory study of Lal Kitab last year and I am > >> > > aware > >> > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > strong and weak points of content given in the Lal Kitab. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No doubt that given excerpt is nice. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regards, > >> > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > >> > > > > > > > > --- In > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > >> 40> > >> > >> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > > ogroups.com> > >> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > > > > ogroups.com> > >> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ogroups.com>, > >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, First Read this, then comment, then > >> I > >> > > > > will > >> > > > > > > remove > >> > > > > > > > > your > >> > > > > > > > > > other doubts also. > >> > > > > > > > > > Basis of lalkitab sytem Part-1, the need to develop this > >> > > > > system > >> > > > > > > > > > *AAGAAZ* > >> > > > > > > > > > *''HAATH REKHA KO SAMANDAR GINTE, NAZOOM FALLAK KA KAAM > >> > > HUA;* > >> > > > > > > > > > *ILLM KYAFA DONO MILTE , ''LAL KITAB'' NAAM HUA.''* > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a > >> > > young > >> > > > > man > >> > > > > > > full > >> > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible > >> > > > > material > >> > > > > > > > > tools of > >> > > > > > > > > > success at his disposal decided not to look for any > >> divine > >> > > > > help > >> > > > > > > but > >> > > > > > > > > try to > >> > > > > > > > > > succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts > >> alone: > >> > > but > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > results > >> > > > > > > > > > were not as expected: instead he saw another person who > >> > > was > >> > > > > far > >> > > > > > > under > >> > > > > > > > > > -qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and > >> > > > > bounds, he > >> > > > > > > was > >> > > > > > > > > > perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his > >> > > mind > >> > > > > asked > >> > > > > > > him > >> > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > find the reason for this. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > He turned towards study of destiny. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. > >> In > >> > > > > case of > >> > > > > > > > > astrology > >> > > > > > > > > > it was observed that so many people have identical > >> > > horoscopes > >> > > > > but > >> > > > > > > > > destinies > >> > > > > > > > > > differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not > >> > > similar. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 > >> years > >> > > at > >> > > > > rapid > >> > > > > > > > > pace; > >> > > > > > > > > > there is less change after 18 years, only branches from > >> > > main > >> > > > > lines > >> > > > > > > > > change; > >> > > > > > > > > > so how to depend on lines that change. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, > >> > > > > > > earthquakes, > >> > > > > > > > > war, > >> > > > > > > > > > accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time. > >> > > Do > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > have > >> > > > > > > > > similar > >> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes and palms. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem encountered with astrology was > >> > > > > rectification > >> > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > birth > >> > > > > > > > > > time; the palmistry portion's limitation was that it > >> > > didn't > >> > > > > > > > > give concrete > >> > > > > > > > > > information about the articles, companions that play a > >> > > crucial > >> > > > > > > role in > >> > > > > > > > > > outcome of destiny. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > *Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness > >> > > and > >> > > > > keen > >> > > > > > > > > observation > >> > > > > > > > > > * led to the answer that; When (as per the divine > >> scheme) > >> > > a > >> > > > > soul > >> > > > > > > > > enters the > >> > > > > > > > > > womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also > >> > > > > > > accompanies > >> > > > > > > > > it. In > >> > > > > > > > > > the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the > >> > > karmic > >> > > > > > > records' > >> > > > > > > > > graph > >> > > > > > > > > > influences the development of the brain, this > >> development > >> > > of > >> > > > > > > brain, in > >> > > > > > > > > turn > >> > > > > > > > > > is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape > >> to > >> > > > > various > >> > > > > > > > > limbs and > >> > > > > > > > > > organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm. > >> > > This > >> > > > > > > karmic > >> > > > > > > > > graph > >> > > > > > > > > > can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding > >> > > with > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > time > >> > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the > >> > > > > planetary > >> > > > > > > > > influence > >> > > > > > > > > > also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his > >> > > > > relatives, > >> > > > > > > > > animate > >> > > > > > > > > > and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany > >> > > him. > >> > > > > So > >> > > > > > > > > vaastu, face > >> > > > > > > > > > reading, body structure, body language, handwriting > >> > > analysis, > >> > > > > > > eating > >> > > > > > > > > habits, > >> > > > > > > > > > behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were > >> > > > > > > synchronized > >> > > > > > > > > to see > >> > > > > > > > > > the pattern. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Some of these karmic records' results can be moulded to > >> > > > > native's > >> > > > > > > > > advantage > >> > > > > > > > > > as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others > >> > > which > >> > > > > are > >> > > > > > > > > treated are > >> > > > > > > > > > unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to > >> suffer > >> > > the > >> > > > > > > > > results. Only > >> > > > > > > > > > some person blessed with divine powers has the power to > >> > > alter > >> > > > > > > them: > >> > > > > > > > > But then > >> > > > > > > > > > also the result will be there, it is altered in the > >> sense > >> > > that > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > divine > >> > > > > > > > > > person who alters them transfers the effects unto > >> himself. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > `'duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee > >> > > > > naheen " > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible > >> > > but > >> > > > > there > >> > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > no > >> > > > > > > > > > escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a > >> > > subject > >> > > > > which > >> > > > > > > > > introduces > >> > > > > > > > > > with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is > >> > > very > >> > > > > much > >> > > > > > > like > >> > > > > > > > > > mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool > >> > > for > >> > > > > > > > > protection for > >> > > > > > > > > > peace of mind `' rooh ki shaanti'' > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of > >> stream > >> > > of > >> > > > > > > fortune > >> > > > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing > >> that > >> > > > > > > > > obstruction. But > >> > > > > > > > > > it cannot deliver which ,as comprehended through > >> jyotish, > >> > > is > >> > > > > not > >> > > > > > > > > promised. > >> > > > > > > > > > Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native > >> he > >> > > can > >> > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > protected > >> > > > > > > > > > with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a > >> lion > >> > > > > comes > >> > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > attack > >> > > > > > > > > > the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the > >> > > > > protection of > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > native; if the attack from lion becomes ferocious; the > >> > > wall > >> > > > > will > >> > > > > > > > > increase > >> > > > > > > > > > it's height for protection but neither will it shoot the > >> > > lion > >> > > > > or > >> > > > > > > > > catch hold > >> > > > > > > > > > of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the lion > >> will > >> > > > > yield by > >> > > > > > > > > fatigue > >> > > > > > > > > > and abandon the idea of attacking the native. Lalkitab > >> > > cannot > >> > > > > be > >> > > > > > > used > >> > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > harm others; rather it is a subject which will be > >> helpful > >> > > in > >> > > > > > > > > establishing > >> > > > > > > > > > harmonious relations between inimical tendencies. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess > >> > > what's > >> > > > > said > >> > > > > > > > > about > >> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, > >> > > not > >> > > > > every > >> > > > > > > > > thng seems > >> > > > > > > > > > > to be said by a spirit.// > >> > > > > > > > > > > May I know the exact point. > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards > >> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol mishra.lalit@ > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that his > >> > > > > predictions > >> > > > > > > on > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checkd > >> > > the > >> > > > > same > >> > > > > > > on my > >> > > > > > > > > and some > >> > > > > > > > > > >> more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a > >> very > >> > > > > limited > >> > > > > > > > > appliction. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks in order > >> > > to > >> > > > > fit > >> > > > > > > into > >> > > > > > > > > post > >> > > > > > > > > > >> event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him to > >> > > predict 5 > >> > > > > > > future > >> > > > > > > > > event of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> any 5 people's life, the baloon will get punctured, > >> > > Once I > >> > > > > > > > > challanged either > >> > > > > > > > > > >> to him or to his chief shishya who runs his group and > >> > > he > >> > > > > left > >> > > > > > > our > >> > > > > > > > > group. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal > >> > > yoga > >> > > > > in > >> > > > > > > their > >> > > > > > > > > charts > >> > > > > > > > > > >> has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to > >> > > > > distract > >> > > > > > > > > people from > >> > > > > > > > > > >> the right path and make some name for them. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, > >> It's > >> > > can > >> > > > > not > >> > > > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > relied > >> > > > > > > > > > >> upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak > >> verga > >> > > is > >> > > > > > > > > assessment of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> strength of a house and a planet. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to > >> > > understand > >> > > > > > > impact of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> transit, again a limited application. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's > >> > > said > >> > > > > about > >> > > > > > > > > 10'th > >> > > > > > > > > > >> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not > >> > > every > >> > > > > thng > >> > > > > > > > > seems to be > >> > > > > > > > > > >> said by a spirit. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Lalit Mishra. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 You start reading BPHS, your understanding w'd improve, with some common sense you w'd come to know that. Akal ka Tala khul jayega. Lal Kitab ka agla point suru kar le bhai, usaka Jawab bhi mil jayega. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Sir ji REMINDER - STILL WAITING number .1 //1. No two people on the earth > get's identical horoscopes, every body has difference in horoscope. > Where is it written in BPHS?. > regards > Kulbir Bains. > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb wrote: > > > Sir ji, > > I repeat your answer number .1 //1. No two people on the earth get's > > identical horoscopes, every body has different in horoscope. > > Where is it written in BPHS?. > > regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 11:13 PM, utkal.panigrahi < > > utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> You have not read my mail attentively, I have been saying about earth > >> quakes are likely to come since July 2009, had sent around half a dozen > >> mails to KN Rao and other eminent scholars of his Bharti Vidya Bhawan. > >> > >> Accountability for " Truth " and " Mother Devine " s blessings are keys led > >> to make accurate predictions. > >> > >> You are suggested to read " Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra " to understand > >> Vedic Astrology, in the brief I had told about parameters of Vedic > >> Astrology - Desh, Kaal and Patra > >> > >> Feel free to give data whatever you have got, there will be answer for > >> you. > >> > >> I trust, you won't give incorrect data, an incorrect data won't affect > >> us as such cases are already seen but an incorrect data w'd affect you > >> only. > >> > >> I am going ahead from the very first point, Jup in 10'th will surely > >> come. > >> > >> Gyan Ke Lalach me Sharafat, Usool Aur Insaniyat Kho Dene Se Bacho, > >> Usssol gaye to Gyan Kabhi Nahi Milega, Khudai Kanun Aisa hi Hai, Wahi > >> Sare Gyan Ka Malik Hai, Uska hi Kanun Chalata Hai. > >> > >> > >> Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > >> Kulbir Bains > >> lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > > >> > Sir ji, iska jawab rah gaya pehle message mein aapse. // AAPne issse > >> pehle > >> > message mein ik do earthquakes ki baat ki thi? > >> > DIN MEIN DO DAFA TO BAND GHADI KI SOONIYAN BHI SAHI BATA DETI HAIN. > >> > batiye kya method hai aapki astrology mein jo steek bhavoshvani kare > >> > har baar.? > >> > and > >> > //VEDIC satrology se AAPKA kya tatparya hai?// > >> > regards > >> > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > > >> > > Agreed Sir, > >> > > My apologies for the language. > >> > > your answer number .1 //1. No two people on the earth get's > >> identical > >> > > horoscopes, every body has different in horoscope. > >> > > Where is it written in BPHS?. > >> > > YOUR ANSWER NUMBER 2. //All those who died in a calamity, get's > >> Mrityu > >> > > Yog// > >> > > I shall send in data of people who died in accidents at same time. > >> kindly > >> > > show me mrityu yog in it. > >> > > par jupiter 10 wala point abhi tak nahin bataya ji aapne? > >> > > Misra ji aapko galatfahmi ho gayi ; pata nahin quon, main koi > >> dhandebaaz > >> > > nahin; vidhyaratji hoon; jnan aapse mile chahe kahin aur se; kahin > >> se bhi. > >> > > main apni khushkismati samajhta hoon. > >> > > Regards > >> > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:49 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> // > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have > >> identical > >> > >> horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins > >> are not > >> > >> similar. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, > >> > >> earthquakes, war, accidents, Do they have similar horoscopes. do > >> all have > >> > >> mrityu yog? > >> > >> > >> > >> // > >> > >> > >> > >> You raised two points, Take your answers - > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. No two people on the earth get's identical horoscopes, every > >> body has > >> > >> different in horoscope. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2. All those who died in a calamity, get's Mrityu Yog. > >> > >> > >> > >> Vedic astrology works on 3 parameters - Desh, Kaal and Patra. > >> > >> > >> > >> In order to understand what's vedic astrology, do a self study of > >> " Brihad > >> > >> Parashara Hora Shastra " , when you complete it's study, let me know > >> about > >> > >> that, I will tell you what to read next. > >> > >> > >> > >> You take all the points of Lal Kitab one by one and I will be > >> showing > >> > >> where they are incorrect and how to make them correct, alright ! > >> > >> > >> > >> Do not use the words and language I don't like, remember, I don't > >> do first > >> > >> offense but if it's done from other side, I still give one or two > >> chances > >> > >> but after that..... God knows !! > >> > >> > >> > >> Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > >> Kulbir Bains > >> > >> lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Chalie Sahib , Jaisi aapki ICCHA pehle point se hi shuru karte > >> hain. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > AAPNE JUPITER 10 SE BAAT SHURU KI THI, ISSLIYE AAPKI US POINT PE > >> > >> GALATFAHMI > >> > >> > DOOR KARNA CHAHAT THA. kHAIR JAISA AAP CHAHEIN. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > So Bhai ji pehla point hai;- > >> > >> > > >> > >> > In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have > >> identical > >> > >> > horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of > >> twins are > >> > >> not > >> > >> > similar. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, > >> > >> > earthquakes, war, accidents, Do they have similar horoscopes. do > >> all > >> > >> have > >> > >> > mrityu yog? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > AAPne issse pehle message mein ik do earthquakes ki baat ki thi? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > DIN MEIN DO DAFA TO BAND GHADI KI SOONIYAN BHI SAHI BATA DETI > >> HAIN. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > batiye kya method hai aapki astrology mein jo steek bhavoshvani > >> kare har > >> > >> > baar. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Dhandebaaz qaun hai isse logon ko decide karne dijiye. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Aur yeh bhi bata dein ki VEDIC satrology se AAPKA kya tatparya > >> hai? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Regards > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 8:45 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Abe Dam hai tujhme aur teri Lal Kitab me to pahle point se baat > >> kar > >> > >> le. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Dhandhe Baaj, Fir Aukat Dikha .... > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > >> > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Kulbir Bains > >> > >> > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Sahib; Batayi to sahi ki aapki sooi Jupiter 10 ke qaun se > >> point pe > >> > >> > > atak > >> > >> > > > gayi. I have send you 5 messages requesting you to tell the > >> same. > >> > >> Plus > >> > >> > > > explaining various principles. But you go on beating around > >> the > >> > >> bush. > >> > >> > > > Now tell me which is BULLSHIT group - yours or some other's. > >> > >> > > > To hell with you. Daffa ho yaar. > >> > >> > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:07 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Agaaz Achha , Andaaz Achha, lekin usake baad kuchh bhi itna > >> thik > >> > >> > > nahi > >> > >> > > > > ki thik kaha jaa sake. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Janha Se Chaho Suru Kar Lo, ek - ek baat examine kar lete > >> hai. > >> > >> dudh > >> > >> > > ka > >> > >> > > > > dudh aur pani ka pani ho jayega. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Hath Kangan ko Arsi Kya... > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > --- In > >> > >> > > > >> Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > >> > >> 40> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > ogroups.com>, > >> > >> > > > > Kulbir Bains > >> > >> > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear lalit misra ji; > >> > >> > > > > > *Fir hesitation kis baat ki; bata do na ki point kya hai. > >> Lets > >> > >> > > debate > >> > >> > > > > on > >> > >> > > > > > that point itself.* > >> > >> > > > > > * > >> > >> > > > > > * > >> > >> > > > > > * Jigar Moradabadi says ;-* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > *vo kaafir aashanaa naa aashnaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii** ** > >> > >> > > > > > hamaari ibtadaa taa intahaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuiN bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > *ta'ajjub kyaa agar rasm-e-vafaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii** > >> > >> ** > >> > >> > > > > > ki husn-o-ishq kaa har masal'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > *kahii.n zarraa kahiin seharaa kahiin qataraa kahiin > >> dariyaa** > >> > >> ** > >> > >> > > > > > muhabbat aur us kaa silasilaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > *vo mujhase puuchhate hain ek maqasad merii hastii kaa** > >> ** > >> > >> > > > > > bataauu.N kyaa ki meraa mudd'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > *ham un se kyaa kahen vo jaane un kii maslahat jaane** ** > >> > >> > > > > > hamaaraa haal-e-dil to baramalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > *na paa lenaa teraa aasaa.N na kho denaa teraa mumakin** > >> ** > >> > >> > > > > > musiibat mein ye jaan-e-mubtalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Regards > >> > >> > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Kulbir, > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > What I speak, I speak with full authority and > >> accountability, > >> > >> > > leave > >> > >> > > > > > > cursory reading, sometimes, even seeing one or two > >> pages of a > >> > >> > > book > >> > >> > > > > is > >> > >> > > > > > > enough to understand how'z the content. > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > You feel free to debate anything you are confident of. > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > That what I said is After a point Lal Kitab is wrong, > >> means > >> > >> > > that's > >> > >> > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > ultimate truth. > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > regards, > >> > >> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > --- In > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > >> > >> 40> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > ogroups.com> > >> > >> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > > > ogroups.com>, > >> > >> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > >> > >> > > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, I am not questioning your > >> intellectual > >> > >> > > > > faculty > >> > >> > > > > > > but i > >> > >> > > > > > > > am 100 percent sure that CURSURY study of any system > >> doesn't > >> > >> > > give > >> > >> > > > > you > >> > >> > > > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > right to comment. It is a CASUAL attitude and doesn't > >> give > >> > >> you > >> > >> > > a > >> > >> > > > > right > >> > >> > > > > > > to > >> > >> > > > > > > > comment. > >> > >> > > > > > > > Either prepare yourself for a full debate or don't > >> display > >> > >> > > your > >> > >> > > > > half > >> > >> > > > > > > baked > >> > >> > > > > > > > rather un kneaded knowledge. PAGE 6. 1952 POINT NO. 4 > >> KISSI > >> > >> > > BAAT > >> > >> > > > > KO > >> > >> > > > > > > AAZMANE > >> > >> > > > > > > > SE PEHLE OSE APNE JATI FAISLE SE GALAT SAMAJHKAR > >> WAHAM KHADA > >> > >> > > KAR > >> > >> > > > > LENA > >> > >> > > > > > > > MAZMOON KI WAQFIAT KE LIYE MADADGAR NA HOGA. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > page 7 1952 POINT NO.9 ;- ISME SHAQ NAHIN KI > >> LADAKAPAN KI > >> > >> > > TABIYAT > >> > >> > > > > > > WAALE > >> > >> > > > > > > > NINDAK ( BADKHOI KARNE WAALA) AUR QUEN KA MENDAK > >> (APNE > >> > >> DAIYRE > >> > >> > > MEIN > >> > >> > > > > > > MEHDOD) > >> > >> > > > > > > > JAISE DIMAGI MAALIK AUR MAKHAUL UDDANE WAALE BHOLE > >> BADSHAH > >> > >> > > > > (BEWAKOOF) > >> > >> > > > > > > SE > >> > >> > > > > > > > KARAHAT AA HI JAYA KARTI HAI. MAGAR DUNIAAVI > >> SAATHIYON KO > >> > >> HASB > >> > >> > > E > >> > >> > > > > > > HASIYAT IS > >> > >> > > > > > > > ILLM SE FAIDA PAHUNCHANA INSAANI SHARAFAT HOGI KYONKI > >> :- KAR > >> > >> > > BHALA > >> > >> > > > > - > >> > >> > > > > > > HO > >> > >> > > > > > > > BHALA AAKHEER BHALE KA BHALA. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > POINT NO. 8 DICTAES - BAT KI ASLIYAT KO PAANE KE LIYE > >> KISSI > >> > >> > > DOOSRE > >> > >> > > > > > > ILLM YA > >> > >> > > > > > > > AALIM KI BADKHOI SE PARHEJ CHAHIYE. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > THAT'S WHY i am stopping here; otherwise AAPKI > >> STATEMENT > >> > >> > > //Only > >> > >> > > > > Vedic > >> > >> > > > > > > > Astrology is eternal and wroks.// KI MAIN DHAJIYAN > >> UDDA > >> > >> DETA. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Regards > >> > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:40 AM, litsol mishra.lalit@ > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Kulbir, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > I have had a cursory study of Lal Kitab last year > >> and I am > >> > >> > > aware > >> > >> > > > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > strong and weak points of content given in the Lal > >> Kitab. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > No doubt that given excerpt is nice. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > regards, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --- In > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > >> > >> 40> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > ogroups.com> > >> > >> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > > > ogroups.com> > >> > >> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > ogroups.com>, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, First Read this, then > >> comment, then > >> > >> I > >> > >> > > > > will > >> > >> > > > > > > remove > >> > >> > > > > > > > > your > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > other doubts also. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Basis of lalkitab sytem Part-1, the need to > >> develop this > >> > >> > > > > system > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > *AAGAAZ* > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > *''HAATH REKHA KO SAMANDAR GINTE, NAZOOM FALLAK > >> KA KAAM > >> > >> > > HUA;* > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > *ILLM KYAFA DONO MILTE , ''LAL KITAB'' NAAM > >> HUA.''* > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > It has been explained in the book metaphorically, > >> 1. a > >> > >> > > young > >> > >> > > > > man > >> > >> > > > > > > full > >> > >> > > > > > > > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all > >> possible > >> > >> > > > > material > >> > >> > > > > > > > > tools of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > success at his disposal decided not to look for > >> any > >> > >> divine > >> > >> > > > > help > >> > >> > > > > > > but > >> > >> > > > > > > > > try to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > succeed by the dint of his hard labour and > >> efforts > >> > >> alone: > >> > >> > > but > >> > >> > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > results > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > were not as expected: instead he saw another > >> person who > >> > >> > > was > >> > >> > > > > far > >> > >> > > > > > > under > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > -qualified ascending the ladder of success by > >> leaps and > >> > >> > > > > bounds, he > >> > >> > > > > > > was > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead > >> and his > >> > >> > > mind > >> > >> > > > > asked > >> > >> > > > > > > him > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > find the reason for this. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > He turned towards study of destiny. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent > >> tools. > >> > >> In > >> > >> > > > > case of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > astrology > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it was observed that so many people have > >> identical > >> > >> > > horoscopes > >> > >> > > > > but > >> > >> > > > > > > > > destinies > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > differ. So much so that destinies of twins are > >> not > >> > >> > > similar. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till > >> 12 > >> > >> years > >> > >> > > at > >> > >> > > > > rapid > >> > >> > > > > > > > > pace; > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > there is less change after 18 years, only > >> branches from > >> > >> > > main > >> > >> > > > > lines > >> > >> > > > > > > > > change; > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > so how to depend on lines that change. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, > >> famine, > >> > >> > > > > > > earthquakes, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > war, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the > >> same time. > >> > >> > > Do > >> > >> > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > have > >> > >> > > > > > > > > similar > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes and palms. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem encountered with astrology > >> was > >> > >> > > > > rectification > >> > >> > > > > > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > birth > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > time; the palmistry portion's limitation was that > >> it > >> > >> > > didn't > >> > >> > > > > > > > > give concrete > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > information about the articles, companions that > >> play a > >> > >> > > crucial > >> > >> > > > > > > role in > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > outcome of destiny. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > *Deep meditation, concentration, elevated > >> consciousness > >> > >> > > and > >> > >> > > > > keen > >> > >> > > > > > > > > observation > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > * led to the answer that; When (as per the divine > >> > >> scheme) > >> > >> > > a > >> > >> > > > > soul > >> > >> > > > > > > > > enters the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic > >> record also > >> > >> > > > > > > accompanies > >> > >> > > > > > > > > it. In > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the first stage, the brain of the child develops, > >> the > >> > >> > > karmic > >> > >> > > > > > > records' > >> > >> > > > > > > > > graph > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > influences the development of the brain, this > >> > >> development > >> > >> > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > brain, in > >> > >> > > > > > > > > turn > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving > >> shape > >> > >> to > >> > >> > > > > various > >> > >> > > > > > > > > limbs and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the > >> palm. > >> > >> > > This > >> > >> > > > > > > karmic > >> > >> > > > > > > > > graph > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope > >> coinciding > >> > >> > > with > >> > >> > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > time > >> > >> > > > > > > > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a > >> body the > >> > >> > > > > planetary > >> > >> > > > > > > > > influence > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > also manifests itself in the native's > >> surroundings, his > >> > >> > > > > relatives, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > animate > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > and inanimate things that accompany or are to > >> accompany > >> > >> > > him. > >> > >> > > > > So > >> > >> > > > > > > > > vaastu, face > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > reading, body structure, body language, > >> handwriting > >> > >> > > analysis, > >> > >> > > > > > > eating > >> > >> > > > > > > > > habits, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. > >> all were > >> > >> > > > > > > synchronized > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to see > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the pattern. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Some of these karmic records' results can be > >> moulded to > >> > >> > > > > native's > >> > >> > > > > > > > > advantage > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to > >> others > >> > >> > > which > >> > >> > > > > are > >> > >> > > > > > > > > treated are > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound > >> to > >> > >> suffer > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > results. Only > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > some person blessed with divine powers has the > >> power to > >> > >> > > alter > >> > >> > > > > > > them: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > But then > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > also the result will be there, it is altered in > >> the > >> > >> sense > >> > >> > > that > >> > >> > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > divine > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > person who alters them transfers the effects unto > >> > >> himself. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > `'duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee > >> daawaa-e-khudayee > >> > >> > > > > naheen " > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is > >> possible > >> > >> > > but > >> > >> > > > > there > >> > >> > > > > > > is > >> > >> > > > > > > > > no > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is > >> a > >> > >> > > subject > >> > >> > > > > which > >> > >> > > > > > > > > introduces > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, > >> it is > >> > >> > > very > >> > >> > > > > much > >> > >> > > > > > > like > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is > >> a tool > >> > >> > > for > >> > >> > > > > > > > > protection for > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > peace of mind `' rooh ki shaanti'' > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > If the destiny promises benefices in the channel > >> of > >> > >> stream > >> > >> > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > fortune > >> > >> > > > > > > > > and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in > >> removing > >> > >> that > >> > >> > > > > > > > > obstruction. But > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it cannot deliver which ,as comprehended through > >> > >> jyotish, > >> > >> > > is > >> > >> > > > > not > >> > >> > > > > > > > > promised. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Of course if there is some danger/threat to the > >> native > >> > >> he > >> > >> > > can > >> > >> > > > > be > >> > >> > > > > > > > > protected > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; > >> if a > >> > >> lion > >> > >> > > > > comes > >> > >> > > > > > > to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > attack > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the native, this knowledge can create a wall for > >> the > >> > >> > > > > protection of > >> > >> > > > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > native; if the attack from lion becomes > >> ferocious; the > >> > >> > > wall > >> > >> > > > > will > >> > >> > > > > > > > > increase > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it's height for protection but neither will it > >> shoot the > >> > >> > > lion > >> > >> > > > > or > >> > >> > > > > > > > > catch hold > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the > >> lion > >> > >> will > >> > >> > > > > yield by > >> > >> > > > > > > > > fatigue > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > and abandon the idea of attacking the native. > >> Lalkitab > >> > >> > > cannot > >> > >> > > > > be > >> > >> > > > > > > used > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > harm others; rather it is a subject which will be > >> > >> helpful > >> > >> > > in > >> > >> > > > > > > > > establishing > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > harmonious relations between inimical tendencies. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Kulbir Bains > >> lalkitabkb@ > >> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just > >> assess > >> > >> > > what's > >> > >> > > > > said > >> > >> > > > > > > > > about > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's > >> cases, > >> > >> > > not > >> > >> > > > > every > >> > >> > > > > > > > > thng seems > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to be said by a spirit.// > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > May I know the exact point. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol > >> mishra.lalit@ > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that > >> his > >> > >> > > > > predictions > >> > >> > > > > > > on > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have > >> checkd > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > > > same > >> > >> > > > > > > on my > >> > >> > > > > > > > > and some > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga > >> has a > >> > >> very > >> > >> > > > > limited > >> > >> > > > > > > > > appliction. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks > >> in order > >> > >> > > to > >> > >> > > > > fit > >> > >> > > > > > > into > >> > >> > > > > > > > > post > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him > >> to > >> > >> > > predict 5 > >> > >> > > > > > > future > >> > >> > > > > > > > > event of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> any 5 people's life, the baloon will get > >> punctured, > >> > >> > > Once I > >> > >> > > > > > > > > challanged either > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> to him or to his chief shishya who runs his > >> group and > >> > >> > > he > >> > >> > > > > left > >> > >> > > > > > > our > >> > >> > > > > > > > > group. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets > >> Guru-Chandaal > >> > >> > > yoga > >> > >> > > > > in > >> > >> > > > > > > their > >> > >> > > > > > > > > charts > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell > >> lies to > >> > >> > > > > distract > >> > >> > > > > > > > > people from > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> the right path and make some name for them. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, > >> therefore, > >> > >> It's > >> > >> > > can > >> > >> > > > > not > >> > >> > > > > > > be > >> > >> > > > > > > > > relied > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> upon for accurate predictions, only use of > >> ashtak > >> > >> verga > >> > >> > > is > >> > >> > > > > > > > > assessment of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> strength of a house and a planet. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to > >> > >> > > understand > >> > >> > > > > > > impact of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> transit, again a limited application. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess > >> what's > >> > >> > > said > >> > >> > > > > about > >> > >> > > > > > > > > 10'th > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> house for Jup in the light of real life's > >> cases, not > >> > >> > > every > >> > >> > > > > thng > >> > >> > > > > > > > > seems to be > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> said by a spirit. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 World is still in danger, even tomorrow a earth quake can come. vedicastrbologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Sir ji REMINDER - STILL WAITING number .1 //1. No two people on the earth > get's identical horoscopes, every body has different in horoscope. > Where is it written in BPHS?. > regards > Kulbir Bains. > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > > Sir ji, > > I repeat your answer number .1 //1. No two people on the earth get's > > identical horoscopes, every body has different in horoscope. > > Where is it written in BPHS?. > > regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 11:13 PM, utkal.panigrahi < > > utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> You have not read my mail attentively, I have been saying about earth > >> quakes are likely to come since July 2009, had sent around half a dozen > >> mails to KN Rao and other eminent scholars of his Bharti Vidya Bhawan. > >> > >> Accountability for " Truth " and " Mother Devine " s blessings are keys led > >> to make accurate predictions. > >> > >> You are suggested to read " Brihad Parashar Hora Shastra " to understand > >> Vedic Astrology, in the brief I had told about parameters of Vedic > >> Astrology - Desh, Kaal and Patra > >> > >> Feel free to give data whatever you have got, there will be answer for > >> you. > >> > >> I trust, you won't give incorrect data, an incorrect data won't affect > >> us as such cases are already seen but an incorrect data w'd affect you > >> only. > >> > >> I am going ahead from the very first point, Jup in 10'th will surely > >> come. > >> > >> Gyan Ke Lalach me Sharafat, Usool Aur Insaniyat Kho Dene Se Bacho, > >> Usssol gaye to Gyan Kabhi Nahi Milega, Khudai Kanun Aisa hi Hai, Wahi > >> Sare Gyan Ka Malik Hai, Uska hi Kanun Chalata Hai. > >> > >> > >> Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40.\ com>, > >> Kulbir Bains > >> <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Sir ji, iska jawab rah gaya pehle message mein aapse. // AAPne issse > >> pehle > >> > message mein ik do earthquakes ki baat ki thi? > >> > DIN MEIN DO DAFA TO BAND GHADI KI SOONIYAN BHI SAHI BATA DETI HAIN. > >> > batiye kya method hai aapki astrology mein jo steek bhavoshvani kare > >> > har baar.? > >> > and > >> > //VEDIC satrology se AAPKA kya tatparya hai?// > >> > regards > >> > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > > >> > > Agreed Sir, > >> > > My apologies for the language. > >> > > your answer number .1 //1. No two people on the earth get's > >> identical > >> > > horoscopes, every body has different in horoscope. > >> > > Where is it written in BPHS?. > >> > > YOUR ANSWER NUMBER 2. //All those who died in a calamity, get's > >> Mrityu > >> > > Yog// > >> > > I shall send in data of people who died in accidents at same time. > >> kindly > >> > > show me mrityu yog in it. > >> > > par jupiter 10 wala point abhi tak nahin bataya ji aapne? > >> > > Misra ji aapko galatfahmi ho gayi ; pata nahin quon, main koi > >> dhandebaaz > >> > > nahin; vidhyaratji hoon; jnan aapse mile chahe kahin aur se; kahin > >> se bhi. > >> > > main apni khushkismati samajhta hoon. > >> > > Regards > >> > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:49 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> // > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have > >> identical > >> > >> horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of twins > >> are not > >> > >> similar. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, > >> > >> earthquakes, war, accidents, Do they have similar horoscopes. do > >> all have > >> > >> mrityu yog? > >> > >> > >> > >> // > >> > >> > >> > >> You raised two points, Take your answers - > >> > >> > >> > >> 1. No two people on the earth get's identical horoscopes, every > >> body has > >> > >> different in horoscope. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2. All those who died in a calamity, get's Mrityu Yog. > >> > >> > >> > >> Vedic astrology works on 3 parameters - Desh, Kaal and Patra. > >> > >> > >> > >> In order to understand what's vedic astrology, do a self study of > >> " Brihad > >> > >> Parashara Hora Shastra " , when you complete it's study, let me know > >> about > >> > >> that, I will tell you what to read next. > >> > >> > >> > >> You take all the points of Lal Kitab one by one and I will be > >> showing > >> > >> where they are incorrect and how to make them correct, alright ! > >> > >> > >> > >> Do not use the words and language I don't like, remember, I don't > >> do first > >> > >> offense but if it's done from other side, I still give one or two > >> chances > >> > >> but after that..... God knows !! > >> > >> > >> > >> Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40.\ com>, > >> Kulbir Bains > >> > >> lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Chalie Sahib , Jaisi aapki ICCHA pehle point se hi shuru karte > >> hain. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > AAPNE JUPITER 10 SE BAAT SHURU KI THI, ISSLIYE AAPKI US POINT PE > >> > >> GALATFAHMI > >> > >> > DOOR KARNA CHAHAT THA. kHAIR JAISA AAP CHAHEIN. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > So Bhai ji pehla point hai;- > >> > >> > > >> > >> > In case of astrology it was observed that so many people have > >> identical > >> > >> > horoscopes but destinies differ. So much so that destinies of > >> twins are > >> > >> not > >> > >> > similar. Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, > >> > >> > earthquakes, war, accidents, Do they have similar horoscopes. do > >> all > >> > >> have > >> > >> > mrityu yog? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > AAPne issse pehle message mein ik do earthquakes ki baat ki thi? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > DIN MEIN DO DAFA TO BAND GHADI KI SOONIYAN BHI SAHI BATA DETI > >> HAIN. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > batiye kya method hai aapki astrology mein jo steek bhavoshvani > >> kare har > >> > >> > baar. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Dhandebaaz qaun hai isse logon ko decide karne dijiye. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Aur yeh bhi bata dein ki VEDIC satrology se AAPKA kya tatparya > >> hai? > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Regards > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 8:45 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Abe Dam hai tujhme aur teri Lal Kitab me to pahle point se baat > >> kar > >> > >> le. > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > Dhandhe Baaj, Fir Aukat Dikha .... > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > --- In Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40.\ com> > >> > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40>, > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Kulbir Bains > >> > >> > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > Sahib; Batayi to sahi ki aapki sooi Jupiter 10 ke qaun se > >> point pe > >> > >> > > atak > >> > >> > > > gayi. I have send you 5 messages requesting you to tell the > >> same. > >> > >> Plus > >> > >> > > > explaining various principles. But you go on beating around > >> the > >> > >> bush. > >> > >> > > > Now tell me which is BULLSHIT group - yours or some other's. > >> > >> > > > To hell with you. Daffa ho yaar. > >> > >> > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:07 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Agaaz Achha , Andaaz Achha, lekin usake baad kuchh bhi itna > >> thik > >> > >> > > nahi > >> > >> > > > > ki thik kaha jaa sake. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Janha Se Chaho Suru Kar Lo, ek - ek baat examine kar lete > >> hai. > >> > >> dudh > >> > >> > > ka > >> > >> > > > > dudh aur pani ka pani ho jayega. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Hath Kangan ko Arsi Kya... > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > --- In > >> > >> > > > >> Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40.\ com> > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > >> > >> 40> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > ogroups.com>, > >> > >> > > > > Kulbir Bains > >> > >> > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Dear lalit misra ji; > >> > >> > > > > > *Fir hesitation kis baat ki; bata do na ki point kya hai. > >> Lets > >> > >> > > debate > >> > >> > > > > on > >> > >> > > > > > that point itself.* > >> > >> > > > > > * > >> > >> > > > > > * > >> > >> > > > > > * Jigar Moradabadi says ;-* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > *vo kaafir aashanaa naa aashnaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii** ** > >> > >> > > > > > hamaari ibtadaa taa intahaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuiN bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > *ta'ajjub kyaa agar rasm-e-vafaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii** > >> > >> ** > >> > >> > > > > > ki husn-o-ishq kaa har masal'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > *kahii.n zarraa kahiin seharaa kahiin qataraa kahiin > >> dariyaa** > >> > >> ** > >> > >> > > > > > muhabbat aur us kaa silasilaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > *vo mujhase puuchhate hain ek maqasad merii hastii kaa** > >> ** > >> > >> > > > > > bataauu.N kyaa ki meraa mudd'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > *ham un se kyaa kahen vo jaane un kii maslahat jaane** ** > >> > >> > > > > > hamaaraa haal-e-dil to baramalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > *na paa lenaa teraa aasaa.N na kho denaa teraa mumakin** > >> ** > >> > >> > > > > > musiibat mein ye jaan-e-mubtalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN > >> bhii* > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > Regards > >> > >> > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, litsol mishra.lalit@ > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Kulbir, > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > What I speak, I speak with full authority and > >> accountability, > >> > >> > > leave > >> > >> > > > > > > cursory reading, sometimes, even seeing one or two > >> pages of a > >> > >> > > book > >> > >> > > > > is > >> > >> > > > > > > enough to understand how'z the content. > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > You feel free to debate anything you are confident of. > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > That what I said is After a point Lal Kitab is wrong, > >> means > >> > >> > > that's > >> > >> > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > ultimate truth. > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > regards, > >> > >> > > > > > > Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > --- In > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40.\ com> > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > >> > >> 40> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > ogroups.com> > >> > >> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > > > ogroups.com>, > >> > >> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > >> > >> > > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, I am not questioning your > >> intellectual > >> > >> > > > > faculty > >> > >> > > > > > > but i > >> > >> > > > > > > > am 100 percent sure that CURSURY study of any system > >> doesn't > >> > >> > > give > >> > >> > > > > you > >> > >> > > > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > right to comment. It is a CASUAL attitude and doesn't > >> give > >> > >> you > >> > >> > > a > >> > >> > > > > right > >> > >> > > > > > > to > >> > >> > > > > > > > comment. > >> > >> > > > > > > > Either prepare yourself for a full debate or don't > >> display > >> > >> > > your > >> > >> > > > > half > >> > >> > > > > > > baked > >> > >> > > > > > > > rather un kneaded knowledge. PAGE 6. 1952 POINT NO. 4 > >> KISSI > >> > >> > > BAAT > >> > >> > > > > KO > >> > >> > > > > > > AAZMANE > >> > >> > > > > > > > SE PEHLE OSE APNE JATI FAISLE SE GALAT SAMAJHKAR > >> WAHAM KHADA > >> > >> > > KAR > >> > >> > > > > LENA > >> > >> > > > > > > > MAZMOON KI WAQFIAT KE LIYE MADADGAR NA HOGA. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > page 7 1952 POINT NO.9 ;- ISME SHAQ NAHIN KI > >> LADAKAPAN KI > >> > >> > > TABIYAT > >> > >> > > > > > > WAALE > >> > >> > > > > > > > NINDAK ( BADKHOI KARNE WAALA) AUR QUEN KA MENDAK > >> (APNE > >> > >> DAIYRE > >> > >> > > MEIN > >> > >> > > > > > > MEHDOD) > >> > >> > > > > > > > JAISE DIMAGI MAALIK AUR MAKHAUL UDDANE WAALE BHOLE > >> BADSHAH > >> > >> > > > > (BEWAKOOF) > >> > >> > > > > > > SE > >> > >> > > > > > > > KARAHAT AA HI JAYA KARTI HAI. MAGAR DUNIAAVI > >> SAATHIYON KO > >> > >> HASB > >> > >> > > E > >> > >> > > > > > > HASIYAT IS > >> > >> > > > > > > > ILLM SE FAIDA PAHUNCHANA INSAANI SHARAFAT HOGI KYONKI > >> :- KAR > >> > >> > > BHALA > >> > >> > > > > - > >> > >> > > > > > > HO > >> > >> > > > > > > > BHALA AAKHEER BHALE KA BHALA. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > POINT NO. 8 DICTAES - BAT KI ASLIYAT KO PAANE KE LIYE > >> KISSI > >> > >> > > DOOSRE > >> > >> > > > > > > ILLM YA > >> > >> > > > > > > > AALIM KI BADKHOI SE PARHEJ CHAHIYE. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > THAT'S WHY i am stopping here; otherwise AAPKI > >> STATEMENT > >> > >> > > //Only > >> > >> > > > > Vedic > >> > >> > > > > > > > Astrology is eternal and wroks.// KI MAIN DHAJIYAN > >> UDDA > >> > >> DETA. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > Regards > >> > >> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:40 AM, litsol mishra.lalit@ > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Kulbir, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > I have had a cursory study of Lal Kitab last year > >> and I am > >> > >> > > aware > >> > >> > > > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > strong and weak points of content given in the Lal > >> Kitab. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > No doubt that given excerpt is nice. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > regards, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Lalit Mishra > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --- In > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >> Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40.\ com> > >> <Vedic Astrologyandhealing% > >> > >> 40> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > ogroups.com> > >> > >> > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > > > ogroups.com> > >> > >> > > > > > > <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\ > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > ogroups.com>, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, First Read this, then > >> comment, then > >> > >> I > >> > >> > > > > will > >> > >> > > > > > > remove > >> > >> > > > > > > > > your > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > other doubts also. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Basis of lalkitab sytem Part-1, the need to > >> develop this > >> > >> > > > > system > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > *AAGAAZ* > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > *''HAATH REKHA KO SAMANDAR GINTE, NAZOOM FALLAK > >> KA KAAM > >> > >> > > HUA;* > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > *ILLM KYAFA DONO MILTE , ''LAL KITAB'' NAAM > >> HUA.''* > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > It has been explained in the book metaphorically, > >> 1. a > >> > >> > > young > >> > >> > > > > man > >> > >> > > > > > > full > >> > >> > > > > > > > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all > >> possible > >> > >> > > > > material > >> > >> > > > > > > > > tools of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > success at his disposal decided not to look for > >> any > >> > >> divine > >> > >> > > > > help > >> > >> > > > > > > but > >> > >> > > > > > > > > try to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > succeed by the dint of his hard labour and > >> efforts > >> > >> alone: > >> > >> > > but > >> > >> > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > results > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > were not as expected: instead he saw another > >> person who > >> > >> > > was > >> > >> > > > > far > >> > >> > > > > > > under > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > -qualified ascending the ladder of success by > >> leaps and > >> > >> > > > > bounds, he > >> > >> > > > > > > was > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead > >> and his > >> > >> > > mind > >> > >> > > > > asked > >> > >> > > > > > > him > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > find the reason for this. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > He turned towards study of destiny. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent > >> tools. > >> > >> In > >> > >> > > > > case of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > astrology > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it was observed that so many people have > >> identical > >> > >> > > horoscopes > >> > >> > > > > but > >> > >> > > > > > > > > destinies > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > differ. So much so that destinies of twins are > >> not > >> > >> > > similar. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till > >> 12 > >> > >> years > >> > >> > > at > >> > >> > > > > rapid > >> > >> > > > > > > > > pace; > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > there is less change after 18 years, only > >> branches from > >> > >> > > main > >> > >> > > > > lines > >> > >> > > > > > > > > change; > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > so how to depend on lines that change. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, > >> famine, > >> > >> > > > > > > earthquakes, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > war, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the > >> same time. > >> > >> > > Do > >> > >> > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > have > >> > >> > > > > > > > > similar > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > horoscopes and palms. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > The biggest problem encountered with astrology > >> was > >> > >> > > > > rectification > >> > >> > > > > > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > birth > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > time; the palmistry portion's limitation was that > >> it > >> > >> > > didn't > >> > >> > > > > > > > > give concrete > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > information about the articles, companions that > >> play a > >> > >> > > crucial > >> > >> > > > > > > role in > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > outcome of destiny. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > *Deep meditation, concentration, elevated > >> consciousness > >> > >> > > and > >> > >> > > > > keen > >> > >> > > > > > > > > observation > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > * led to the answer that; When (as per the divine > >> > >> scheme) > >> > >> > > a > >> > >> > > > > soul > >> > >> > > > > > > > > enters the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic > >> record also > >> > >> > > > > > > accompanies > >> > >> > > > > > > > > it. In > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the first stage, the brain of the child develops, > >> the > >> > >> > > karmic > >> > >> > > > > > > records' > >> > >> > > > > > > > > graph > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > influences the development of the brain, this > >> > >> development > >> > >> > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > brain, in > >> > >> > > > > > > > > turn > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving > >> shape > >> > >> to > >> > >> > > > > various > >> > >> > > > > > > > > limbs and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the > >> palm. > >> > >> > > This > >> > >> > > > > > > karmic > >> > >> > > > > > > > > graph > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope > >> coinciding > >> > >> > > with > >> > >> > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > time > >> > >> > > > > > > > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a > >> body the > >> > >> > > > > planetary > >> > >> > > > > > > > > influence > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > also manifests itself in the native's > >> surroundings, his > >> > >> > > > > relatives, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > animate > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > and inanimate things that accompany or are to > >> accompany > >> > >> > > him. > >> > >> > > > > So > >> > >> > > > > > > > > vaastu, face > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > reading, body structure, body language, > >> handwriting > >> > >> > > analysis, > >> > >> > > > > > > eating > >> > >> > > > > > > > > habits, > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. > >> all were > >> > >> > > > > > > synchronized > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to see > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the pattern. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Some of these karmic records' results can be > >> moulded to > >> > >> > > > > native's > >> > >> > > > > > > > > advantage > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to > >> others > >> > >> > > which > >> > >> > > > > are > >> > >> > > > > > > > > treated are > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound > >> to > >> > >> suffer > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > results. Only > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > some person blessed with divine powers has the > >> power to > >> > >> > > alter > >> > >> > > > > > > them: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > But then > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > also the result will be there, it is altered in > >> the > >> > >> sense > >> > >> > > that > >> > >> > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > divine > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > person who alters them transfers the effects unto > >> > >> himself. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > `'duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee > >> daawaa-e-khudayee > >> > >> > > > > naheen " > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is > >> possible > >> > >> > > but > >> > >> > > > > there > >> > >> > > > > > > is > >> > >> > > > > > > > > no > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is > >> a > >> > >> > > subject > >> > >> > > > > which > >> > >> > > > > > > > > introduces > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, > >> it is > >> > >> > > very > >> > >> > > > > much > >> > >> > > > > > > like > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is > >> a tool > >> > >> > > for > >> > >> > > > > > > > > protection for > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > peace of mind `' rooh ki shaanti'' > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > If the destiny promises benefices in the channel > >> of > >> > >> stream > >> > >> > > of > >> > >> > > > > > > fortune > >> > >> > > > > > > > > and > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in > >> removing > >> > >> that > >> > >> > > > > > > > > obstruction. But > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it cannot deliver which ,as comprehended through > >> > >> jyotish, > >> > >> > > is > >> > >> > > > > not > >> > >> > > > > > > > > promised. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Of course if there is some danger/threat to the > >> native > >> > >> he > >> > >> > > can > >> > >> > > > > be > >> > >> > > > > > > > > protected > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; > >> if a > >> > >> lion > >> > >> > > > > comes > >> > >> > > > > > > to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > attack > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > the native, this knowledge can create a wall for > >> the > >> > >> > > > > protection of > >> > >> > > > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > native; if the attack from lion becomes > >> ferocious; the > >> > >> > > wall > >> > >> > > > > will > >> > >> > > > > > > > > increase > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > it's height for protection but neither will it > >> shoot the > >> > >> > > lion > >> > >> > > > > or > >> > >> > > > > > > > > catch hold > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the > >> lion > >> > >> will > >> > >> > > > > yield by > >> > >> > > > > > > > > fatigue > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > and abandon the idea of attacking the native. > >> Lalkitab > >> > >> > > cannot > >> > >> > > > > be > >> > >> > > > > > > used > >> > >> > > > > > > > > to > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > harm others; rather it is a subject which will be > >> > >> helpful > >> > >> > > in > >> > >> > > > > > > > > establishing > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > harmonious relations between inimical tendencies. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Kulbir Bains > >> lalkitabkb@ > >> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just > >> assess > >> > >> > > what's > >> > >> > > > > said > >> > >> > > > > > > > > about > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's > >> cases, > >> > >> > > not > >> > >> > > > > every > >> > >> > > > > > > > > thng seems > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > to be said by a spirit.// > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > May I know the exact point. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > regards > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol > >> mishra.lalit@ > >> > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that > >> his > >> > >> > > > > predictions > >> > >> > > > > > > on > >> > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have > >> checkd > >> > >> > > the > >> > >> > > > > same > >> > >> > > > > > > on my > >> > >> > > > > > > > > and some > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga > >> has a > >> > >> very > >> > >> > > > > limited > >> > >> > > > > > > > > appliction. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks > >> in order > >> > >> > > to > >> > >> > > > > fit > >> > >> > > > > > > into > >> > >> > > > > > > > > post > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him > >> to > >> > >> > > predict 5 > >> > >> > > > > > > future > >> > >> > > > > > > > > event of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> any 5 people's life, the baloon will get > >> punctured, > >> > >> > > Once I > >> > >> > > > > > > > > challanged either > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> to him or to his chief shishya who runs his > >> group and > >> > >> > > he > >> > >> > > > > left > >> > >> > > > > > > our > >> > >> > > > > > > > > group. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets > >> Guru-Chandaal > >> > >> > > yoga > >> > >> > > > > in > >> > >> > > > > > > their > >> > >> > > > > > > > > charts > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell > >> lies to > >> > >> > > > > distract > >> > >> > > > > > > > > people from > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> the right path and make some name for them. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, > >> therefore, > >> > >> It's > >> > >> > > can > >> > >> > > > > not > >> > >> > > > > > > be > >> > >> > > > > > > > > relied > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> upon for accurate predictions, only use of > >> ashtak > >> > >> verga > >> > >> > > is > >> > >> > > > > > > > > assessment of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> strength of a house and a planet. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to > >> > >> > > understand > >> > >> > > > > > > impact of > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> transit, again a limited application. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess > >> what's > >> > >> > > said > >> > >> > > > > about > >> > >> > > > > > > > > 10'th > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> house for Jup in the light of real life's > >> cases, not > >> > >> > > every > >> > >> > > > > thng > >> > >> > > > > > > > > seems to be > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> said by a spirit. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> Lalit Mishra. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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