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Dear friends,

 

The question of who becomes the next President of the USA is difficult to answer because there is some uncertainty about the birth time of the leading candidates, John McCain ®, Hillary Clinton (D) and Barack Obama (D).

 

John McCain has likely 25° Virgo rising

Hillary Clinton likely has 7° Gemini rising

Barack Obama possibly has 24° Libra rising

(see charts below).

 

Given the tight race between Clinton and Obama, which some also consider as ultimately un-electable to the majority of US voters due to one being a woman and the other a black man, there has been some speculation in the media about Al Gore becoming something of a dark horse candidate. There is almost no chance an outsider can be inserted into the electoral process, even if he were in agreement with an attempt to do so. Hence, the choice most likely will be made between Clinton on the one hand and Obama on the other. Even if the final primary ends on June 3, 2008, the contest between Clinton and Obama will likely not be decided until the Democratic National Convention in late August 2008.

 

August 25-28, 2008: Democratic National Convention, Denver, CO.

 

At the present time, the delegate count is in favour of Obama, or 52% of the delegates so far pledged to Clintons 48%, but such a narrow lead with 23% of the total delegates yet to be accounted for cannot be considered decisive.

 

Actual pledged delegates (2,380 of 3,253 total)

Predicted pledged delegates (2,675 of 3,253 total)

Estimated superdelegates (458 of 796 total)

Estimated total delegates (3,133 of 4,047 total; 2,024 needed to win)

 

Barack Obama

Actual: 1,227.5

Predicted: 1,414

Estimated superdelegates: 215

Estimated total delegates: 1,629

 

Hillary Rodham Clinton

Actual: 1,152.5

Predicted: 1,243

Estimated superdelegates: 243

Estimated total delegates: 1,486

 

The final primaries and caucuses will be held from April 22 through June 3, 2008.

Only one state votes in April: Pennsylvania (considered the last chance for Hillary Clinton to catch up with Barack Obama), which will hold a primary for both parties on April 22. Indiana and North Carolina have primaries on May 6. Nebraska's Republican primary will be on May 13, as will the West Virginia primary for Democrats. Kentucky and Oregon hold primaries for both parties on May 20. Idaho votes for Republicans only on May 27. The primary season ends in June, with contests on June 3 in New Mexico (Republican), Montana (Democratic), and South Dakota (both parties). The final primary will be on June 1st in Puerto Rico for the Democrats. Revotes in Michigan and Florida are possible.[28] Michigan Democrats are suggesting a date of June 3.

 

http://news./election/2008/dashboard

 

It is possible the lead of one candidate over the other will be so narrow such that some of the Superdelegates switch their allegiances at the Democratic National Convention resulting in another candidate being chosen. The dramatic transits in late August 2008 suggest as much.

 

As John McCain has already clinched the nomination of the Republican Party, the Republican National Convention in early September, is likely only going to be ceremonial. However, even there some drama should not be ruled out.

 

September 1-4, 2008: Republican National Convention, Saint Paul, MN.

 

In both conventions, the choice of a running mate will be made, potentially affecting the electability of the ticket. Some say, a deal has been made with Mitt Romney to become the VP candidate of the Republican Party. Meanwhile, John Edwards has ruled himself out as a running mate for the Democrats. It is therefore not inconceivable that Clinton and Obama may end up runing together. This is assuming the loser doesn´t become too bloodied or has too much blood on his hands from the battle for the nomination.

 

The chart for September 3, 2008 shows the transit 2nd lord Sun becoming exactly conjunct transit 8th lord Saturn, which also aspects natal Ketu in the 4th house, under aspect also from transit 6th lord Jupiter in the 6th house and natal FM Rahu in the 10th house. Such a major affliction in the chart suggests a very difficult even a dramatic time in the life of the country, especially for the indications of the leader of the country. Fortunately, all the other functional benefics in the chart are well placed, strong and unafflicted at this time. Nevertheless, the time would be tense.

 

In conclusion, the Republican candidate McCain would then be scheduled to meet either Clinton or Obama as the candidate of the Democratic Party on election day, November 4, 2008.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

 

List members are invited to consider these charts and make predictions based on them if they feel strongly enough about them. I have already suggested the proposed Gemini rising chart for Hillary Clinton fits her life quite well. The natal potential of the chart is strong, but the transits and period are not very helpful. She will enter a powerful Sun period at the end of this year. The chart for McCain seems to work and it is helpful for this year, but there is slightly more uncertainty surrounding Barack Obama, with Gemini, Leo and Libra (most often cited) being proposed.

 

Finally, at the International Conference of SA Astrologers held on 23rd and 24th February, 2008 in Gurgaon , India, predicted that Senator Clinton, based on the Gemini rising chart, would win the Presidential election in early November.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

John McCain

Aug 29, 1936 9:00 AM +05:00 EST

Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/VE

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 24:57 Vir Chitra Ma

Sun 13:03 Leo +00:57:59 FM Magha Ke

Moon 04:04 Cap +13:34:47 WK U.Shadya Su

Mars 19:20 Can +00:38:14 FM Aslesha Me

Merc 09:17 Vir +01:11:53 WK U.Phalguni Su

Jupt 22:06 Sco +00:03:16 WK Jyeshtha Me

Ven 29:50 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su

Sat R 27:10 Aqu -00:04:23 FM P.Bhadra Ju

Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:42 FM Mula Ke

Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:42 FM Ardra Ra

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 625 beats

Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM

Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi

Yoga Pt: 20:27 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su

Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Bad Placement,

Moon Good Placement, In Infancy: 18%, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha,

Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha,

Venus Bad Placement, In Old Age: 96%,

Saturn Bad Placement, In Old Age: 43%,

Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 7 * * 5 **

*8 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * SU 13:03 * *

* * * VE 29:50* *

* * * ME 09:17 * * *

*JU 22:06 * 6 AS 24:57 * 4 MA 19:20*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*9 RA 08:29 * 3 KE 08:29 *

** * * **

*10* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*MO 04:04 * 12 * 2 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * SAR27:10 * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 11 * * 1 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 6 * * 4 **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * SU * *

* * * * * SAR *

* * 5 AS * 3 RA *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*8 * 2 *

** * * **

*9 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*MA * * * * *

*VE * 11 MO * 1 *

*KE * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * JU * * ME * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 10 * * 12 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis

========================

Su/Sa 7.3.1936

Su/Me 17.2.1937

Su/Ke 24.12.1937

Su/Ve 1.5.1938

Mo/Mo 2.5.1939

Mo/Ma 1.3.1940

Mo/Ra 30.9.1940

Mo/Ju 1.4.1942

Mo/Sa 1.8.1943

Mo/Me 1.3.1945

Mo/Ke 1.8.1946

Mo/Ve 2.3.1947

Mo/Su 30.10.1948

Ma/Ma 1.5.1949

Ma/Ra 27.9.1949

Ma/Ju 16.10.1950

Ma/Sa 22.9.1951

Ma/Me 30.10.1952

Ma/Ke 28.10.1953

Ma/Ve 26.3.1954

Ma/Su 26.5.1955

Ma/Mo 1.10.1955

Ra/Ra 1.5.1956

Ra/Ju 12.1.1959

Ra/Sa 7.6.1961

Ra/Me 12.4.1964

Ra/Ke 31.10.1966

Ra/Ve 18.11.1967

Ra/Su 18.11.1970

Ra/Mo 13.10.1971

Ra/Ma 13.4.1973

Ju/Ju 1.5.1974

Ju/Sa 18.6.1976

Ju/Me 31.12.1978

Ju/Ke 7.4.1981

Ju/Ve 14.3.1982

Ju/Su 12.11.1984

Ju/Mo 31.8.1985

Ju/Ma 31.12.1986

Ju/Ra 7.12.1987

Sa/Sa 1.5.1990

Sa/Me 4.5.1993

Sa/Ke 12.1.1996

Sa/Ve 20.2.1997

Sa/Su 22.4.2000

Sa/Mo 4.4.2001

Sa/Ma 3.11.2002

Sa/Ra 13.12.2003

Sa/Ju 19.10.2006

Me/Me 1.5.2009

Me/Ke 28.9.2011

Me/Ve 24.9.2012

Me/Su 26.7.2015

Me/Mo 31.5.2016

Me/Ma 31.10.2017

Me/Ra 28.10.2018

Me/Ju 16.5.2021

Me/Sa 22.8.2023

Ke/Ke 1.5.2026

Ke/Ve 27.9.2026

Ke/Su 28.11.2027

Ke/Mo 3.4.2028

Ke/Ma 2.11.2028

Ke/Ra 1.4.2029

Ke/Ju 19.4.2030

Ke/Sa 26.3.2031

Ke/Me 4.5.2032

Ve/Ve 1.5.2033

Ve/Su 31.8.2036

Ve/Mo 31.8.2037

Ve/Ma 2.5.2039

Ve/Ra 1.7.2040

Ve/Ju 1.7.2043

Ve/Sa 1.3.2046

Ve/Me 1.5.2049

Ve/Ke 1.3.2052

Chart Notes:

 

Barack Obama

Aug 4, 1961 1:06 PM +10:00 HST

Honolulu , HI : USA Longitude: 157W52 Latitude: 21N18

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:19 Current Period: JU/VE/ME

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 24:10 Lib Vishakha Ju

Sun 18:58 Can +00:57:28 WK Aslesha Me

Moon 06:41 Tau +12:45:54 WK Krittika Su

Mars 29:05 Leo +00:37:23 WK U.Phalguni Su

Merc 08:29 Can +01:59:50 FM Pushya Sa

JuptR 07:34 Cap -00:07:28 WK U.Shadya Su

Ven 08:10 Gem +01:08:00 ST Ardra Ra

Sat R 02:01 Cap -00:04:07 WK U.Shadya Su

Rahu 03:58 Leo -00:01:04 FM Magha Ke

Ketu 03:58 Aqu -00:01:04 FM Dhanishtha Ma

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 4 beats

Day: Friday Sunrise : 6:08 AM

Tithi: Krishna Navami

Yoga Pt: 28:59 Sc Yogi:Me AviYogi:Ma Dup Yogi: Ma

Dagha Rashis: Leo Sco

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Moon Bad Placement, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, In Old Age: 81%, Weak Dispositor,

Mercury Good Placement, Combust 28%, Weak Dispositor,

Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated,

Conjunct or Aspected by FM: Me ,

Venus Good Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, In Infancy: 59%,

Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

Ketu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 8 * * 6 **

*9 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * RA 03:58*

* * 7 AS 24:10 * 5 MA 29:05*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** SAR02:01 * * ME 08:29 **

*10 JUR07:34 * 4 SU 18:58 *

** * * **

*11* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*KE 03:58 * 1 * 3 VE 08:10*

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * MO 06:41 * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 12 * * 2 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 3 * * 1 **

*4 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * AS * * MO *

* * 2 RA * 12 JUR *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*5 * 11 *

** * * **

*6 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*ME * 8 KE * 10 SAR *

* * * * * *

* * * SU * *

* * * * MA * *

* * * * VE * *

* * * * * *

** 7 * * 9 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis

========================

Su/Me 17.11.1960

Su/Ke 23.9.1961

Su/Ve 29.1.1962

Mo/Mo 30.1.1963

Mo/Ma 30.11.1963

Mo/Ra 30.6.1964

Mo/Ju 30.12.1965

Mo/Sa 1.5.1967

Mo/Me 29.11.1968

Mo/Ke 1.5.1970

Mo/Ve 30.11.1970

Mo/Su 30.7.1972

Ma/Ma 29.1.1973

Ma/Ra 27.6.1973

Ma/Ju 16.7.1974

Ma/Sa 22.6.1975

Ma/Me 30.7.1976

Ma/Ke 28.7.1977

Ma/Ve 24.12.1977

Ma/Su 23.2.1979

Ma/Mo 1.7.1979

Ra/Ra 30.1.1980

Ra/Ju 12.10.1982

Ra/Sa 7.3.1985

Ra/Me 11.1.1988

Ra/Ke 31.7.1990

Ra/Ve 18.8.1991

Ra/Su 18.8.1994

Ra/Mo 13.7.1995

Ra/Ma 11.1.1997

Ju/Ju 29.1.1998

Ju/Sa 18.3.2000

Ju/Me 30.9.2002

Ju/Ke 5.1.2005

Ju/Ve 12.12.2005

Ju/Su 12.8.2008

Ju/Mo 31.5.2009

Ju/Ma 30.9.2010

Ju/Ra 6.9.2011

Sa/Sa 29.1.2014

Sa/Me 1.2.2017

Sa/Ke 12.10.2019

Sa/Ve 20.11.2020

Sa/Su 21.1.2024

Sa/Mo 2.1.2025

Sa/Ma 3.8.2026

Sa/Ra 12.9.2027

Sa/Ju 19.7.2030

Me/Me 29.1.2033

Me/Ke 28.6.2035

Me/Ve 24.6.2036

Me/Su 25.4.2039

Me/Mo 29.2.2040

Me/Ma 31.7.2041

Me/Ra 28.7.2042

Me/Ju 13.2.2045

Me/Sa 22.5.2047

Ke/Ke 29.1.2050

Ke/Ve 27.6.2050

Ke/Su 28.8.2051

Ke/Mo 2.1.2052

Ke/Ma 2.8.2052

Ke/Ra 30.12.2052

Ke/Ju 17.1.2054

Ke/Sa 24.12.2054

Ke/Me 2.2.2056

Ve/Ve 29.1.2057

Ve/Su 31.5.2060

Ve/Mo 31.5.2061

Ve/Ma 30.1.2063

Ve/Ra 31.3.2064

Ve/Ju 31.3.2067

Ve/Sa 29.11.2069

Ve/Me 29.1.2073

Ve/Ke 30.11.2075

Chart Notes:

 

Hillary Clinton

Oct 26, 1947 8:00 PM +06:00 CST

Chicago , IL : USA Longitude: 87W39 Latitude: 41N51

Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SU/RA/JU

 

Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord

================================================

Asc 06:41 Gem Ardra Ra

Sun 09:40 Lib +00:59:51 WK Swati Ra

Moon 06:03 Pis +12:46:40 ST U.Bhadra Sa

Mars 21:08 Can +00:30:49 WK Aslesha Me

MercR 28:11 Lib -00:11:12 WK Vishakha Ju

Jupt 07:29 Sco +00:12:34 WK Anuradha Sa

Ven 23:43 Lib +01:14:51 ST Vishakha Ju

Sat 28:12 Can +00:04:01 WK Aslesha Me

Rahu 00:24 Tau -00:03:14 FM Krittika Su

Ketu 00:24 Sco -00:03:14 FM Vishakha Ju

 

True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 125 beats

Day: Sunday Sunrise : 6:16 AM

Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi

Yoga Pt: 19:03 Sg Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Ju

Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo

 

Sytems Approach Analysis

========================

Sun Good Placement, Debilitated,

Moon Good Placement, Bright,

Mars Good Placement, Debilitated,

Mercury Good Placement, In Old Age: 63%,

Jupiter Bad Placement,

Venus Good Placement,

Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 64%,

Rahu Bad Placement,

Ketu Bad Placement,

 

Rashi Chart

*******************************************************

** 4 * * 2 **

*5 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * MA 21:08 * * * *

* SA 28:12* RA 00:24* *

* * * * * *

* * 3 AS 06:41 * 1 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*6 * 12 MO 06:03 *

** * * **

*7 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

*SU 09:40 * * * * *

*VE 23:43 * 9 * 11 *

*MER28:11 * * * * *

* KE 00:24* * * *

* * JU 07:29 * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 8 * * 10 **

*******************************************************

 

Navamsha

*******************************************************

** 10 * * 8 **

*11* * * * *

* * * * * *

* * MA * * * *

* RA * * * *

* * * AS * * *

* * 9 SU * 7 *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** * * **

*12 SA * 6 JU *

** * * **

*1 * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * 3 MER * 5 MO *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

* * VE * * KE * *

* * * * * *

* * * * * *

** 2 * * 4 **

*******************************************************

 

Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis

========================

Sa/Me 11.12.1946

Sa/Ke 20.8.1949

Sa/Ve 29.9.1950

Sa/Su 28.11.1953

Sa/Mo 10.11.1954

Sa/Ma 11.6.1956

Sa/Ra 20.7.1957

Sa/Ju 26.5.1960

Me/Me 8.12.1962

Me/Ke 5.5.1965

Me/Ve 3.5.1966

Me/Su 2.3.1969

Me/Mo 7.1.1970

Me/Ma 8.6.1971

Me/Ra 5.6.1972

Me/Ju 23.12.1974

Me/Sa 30.3.1977

Ke/Ke 8.12.1979

Ke/Ve 5.5.1980

Ke/Su 5.7.1981

Ke/Mo 10.11.1981

Ke/Ma 11.6.1982

Ke/Ra 7.11.1982

Ke/Ju 26.11.1983

Ke/Sa 1.11.1984

Ke/Me 11.12.1985

Ve/Ve 8.12.1986

Ve/Su 8.4.1990

Ve/Mo 9.4.1991

Ve/Ma 7.12.1992

Ve/Ra 6.2.1994

Ve/Ju 6.2.1997

Ve/Sa 8.10.1999

Ve/Me 8.12.2002

Ve/Ke 8.10.2005

Su/Su 8.12.2006

Su/Mo 27.3.2007

Su/Ma 26.9.2007

Su/Ra 1.2.2008

Su/Ju 26.12.2008

Su/Sa 14.10.2009

Su/Me 26.9.2010

Su/Ke 2.8.2011

Su/Ve 8.12.2011

Mo/Mo 7.12.2012

Mo/Ma 8.10.2013

Mo/Ra 9.5.2014

Mo/Ju 8.11.2015

Mo/Sa 9.3.2017

Mo/Me 8.10.2018

Mo/Ke 8.3.2020

Mo/Ve 7.10.2020

Mo/Su 8.6.2022

Ma/Ma 8.12.2022

Ma/Ra 6.5.2023

Ma/Ju 23.5.2024

Ma/Sa 29.4.2025

Ma/Me 8.6.2026

Ma/Ke 5.6.2027

Ma/Ve 1.11.2027

Ma/Su 1.1.2029

Ma/Mo 8.5.2029

Ra/Ra 8.12.2029

Ra/Ju 20.8.2032

Ra/Sa 13.1.2035

Ra/Me 19.11.2037

Ra/Ke 8.6.2040

Ra/Ve 26.6.2041

Ra/Su 26.6.2044

Ra/Mo 21.5.2045

Ra/Ma 19.11.2046

Ju/Ju 8.12.2047

Ju/Sa 25.1.2050

Ju/Me 8.8.2052

Ju/Ke 13.11.2054

Ju/Ve 20.10.2055

Ju/Su 20.6.2058

Ju/Mo 9.4.2059

Ju/Ma 8.8.2060

Ju/Ra 14.7.2061

Chart Notes:

 

 

 

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