Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 Dear friends, The question of who becomes the next President of the USA is difficult to answer because there is some uncertainty about the birth time of the leading candidates, John McCain ®, Hillary Clinton (D) and Barack Obama (D). John McCain has likely 25° Virgo rising Hillary Clinton likely has 7° Gemini rising Barack Obama possibly has 24° Libra rising (see charts below). Given the tight race between Clinton and Obama, which some also consider as ultimately un-electable to the majority of US voters due to one being a woman and the other a black man, there has been some speculation in the media about Al Gore becoming something of a dark horse candidate. There is almost no chance an outsider can be inserted into the electoral process, even if he were in agreement with an attempt to do so. Hence, the choice most likely will be made between Clinton on the one hand and Obama on the other. Even if the final primary ends on June 3, 2008, the contest between Clinton and Obama will likely not be decided until the Democratic National Convention in late August 2008. August 25-28, 2008: Democratic National Convention, Denver, CO. At the present time, the delegate count is in favour of Obama, or 52% of the delegates so far pledged to Clintons 48%, but such a narrow lead with 23% of the total delegates yet to be accounted for cannot be considered decisive. Actual pledged delegates (2,380 of 3,253 total) Predicted pledged delegates (2,675 of 3,253 total) Estimated superdelegates (458 of 796 total) Estimated total delegates (3,133 of 4,047 total; 2,024 needed to win) Barack Obama Actual: 1,227.5 Predicted: 1,414 Estimated superdelegates: 215 Estimated total delegates: 1,629 Hillary Rodham Clinton Actual: 1,152.5 Predicted: 1,243 Estimated superdelegates: 243 Estimated total delegates: 1,486 The final primaries and caucuses will be held from April 22 through June 3, 2008. Only one state votes in April: Pennsylvania (considered the last chance for Hillary Clinton to catch up with Barack Obama), which will hold a primary for both parties on April 22. Indiana and North Carolina have primaries on May 6. Nebraska's Republican primary will be on May 13, as will the West Virginia primary for Democrats. Kentucky and Oregon hold primaries for both parties on May 20. Idaho votes for Republicans only on May 27. The primary season ends in June, with contests on June 3 in New Mexico (Republican), Montana (Democratic), and South Dakota (both parties). The final primary will be on June 1st in Puerto Rico for the Democrats. Revotes in Michigan and Florida are possible.[28] Michigan Democrats are suggesting a date of June 3. http://news./election/2008/dashboard It is possible the lead of one candidate over the other will be so narrow such that some of the Superdelegates switch their allegiances at the Democratic National Convention resulting in another candidate being chosen. The dramatic transits in late August 2008 suggest as much. As John McCain has already clinched the nomination of the Republican Party, the Republican National Convention in early September, is likely only going to be ceremonial. However, even there some drama should not be ruled out. September 1-4, 2008: Republican National Convention, Saint Paul, MN. In both conventions, the choice of a running mate will be made, potentially affecting the electability of the ticket. Some say, a deal has been made with Mitt Romney to become the VP candidate of the Republican Party. Meanwhile, John Edwards has ruled himself out as a running mate for the Democrats. It is therefore not inconceivable that Clinton and Obama may end up runing together. This is assuming the loser doesn´t become too bloodied or has too much blood on his hands from the battle for the nomination. The chart for September 3, 2008 shows the transit 2nd lord Sun becoming exactly conjunct transit 8th lord Saturn, which also aspects natal Ketu in the 4th house, under aspect also from transit 6th lord Jupiter in the 6th house and natal FM Rahu in the 10th house. Such a major affliction in the chart suggests a very difficult even a dramatic time in the life of the country, especially for the indications of the leader of the country. Fortunately, all the other functional benefics in the chart are well placed, strong and unafflicted at this time. Nevertheless, the time would be tense. In conclusion, the Republican candidate McCain would then be scheduled to meet either Clinton or Obama as the candidate of the Democratic Party on election day, November 4, 2008. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008 List members are invited to consider these charts and make predictions based on them if they feel strongly enough about them. I have already suggested the proposed Gemini rising chart for Hillary Clinton fits her life quite well. The natal potential of the chart is strong, but the transits and period are not very helpful. She will enter a powerful Sun period at the end of this year. The chart for McCain seems to work and it is helpful for this year, but there is slightly more uncertainty surrounding Barack Obama, with Gemini, Leo and Libra (most often cited) being proposed. Finally, at the International Conference of SA Astrologers held on 23rd and 24th February, 2008 in Gurgaon , India, predicted that Senator Clinton, based on the Gemini rising chart, would win the Presidential election in early November. Best wishes, Thor John McCain Aug 29, 1936 9:00 AM +05:00 EST Cocosola , Panama Longitude: 79W56 Latitude: 8N58 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 22:58 Current Period: SA/JU/VE Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 24:57 Vir Chitra Ma Sun 13:03 Leo +00:57:59 FM Magha Ke Moon 04:04 Cap +13:34:47 WK U.Shadya Su Mars 19:20 Can +00:38:14 FM Aslesha Me Merc 09:17 Vir +01:11:53 WK U.Phalguni Su Jupt 22:06 Sco +00:03:16 WK Jyeshtha Me Ven 29:50 Leo +01:13:59 WK U.Phalguni Su Sat R 27:10 Aqu -00:04:23 FM P.Bhadra Ju Rahu 08:29 Sag -00:03:42 FM Mula Ke Ketu 08:29 Gem -00:03:42 FM Ardra Ra True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 625 beats Day: Saturday Sunrise : 6:14 AM Tithi: Shukla Dvadashi Yoga Pt: 20:27 Le Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Su Dagha Rashis: Lib Cap Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Bad Placement, Moon Good Placement, In Infancy: 18%, Bright, Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, Weak Dispositor, Mercury Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated in Navamsha, Venus Bad Placement, In Old Age: 96%, Saturn Bad Placement, In Old Age: 43%, Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 7 * * 5 ** *8 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SU 13:03 * * * * * VE 29:50* * * * * ME 09:17 * * * *JU 22:06 * 6 AS 24:57 * 4 MA 19:20* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *9 RA 08:29 * 3 KE 08:29 * ** * * ** *10* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *MO 04:04 * 12 * 2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SAR27:10 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 11 * * 1 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 6 * * 4 ** *7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SU * * * * * * * SAR * * * 5 AS * 3 RA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *8 * 2 * ** * * ** *9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *MA * * * * * *VE * 11 MO * 1 * *KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * JU * * ME * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 10 * * 12 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Su/Sa 7.3.1936 Su/Me 17.2.1937 Su/Ke 24.12.1937 Su/Ve 1.5.1938 Mo/Mo 2.5.1939 Mo/Ma 1.3.1940 Mo/Ra 30.9.1940 Mo/Ju 1.4.1942 Mo/Sa 1.8.1943 Mo/Me 1.3.1945 Mo/Ke 1.8.1946 Mo/Ve 2.3.1947 Mo/Su 30.10.1948 Ma/Ma 1.5.1949 Ma/Ra 27.9.1949 Ma/Ju 16.10.1950 Ma/Sa 22.9.1951 Ma/Me 30.10.1952 Ma/Ke 28.10.1953 Ma/Ve 26.3.1954 Ma/Su 26.5.1955 Ma/Mo 1.10.1955 Ra/Ra 1.5.1956 Ra/Ju 12.1.1959 Ra/Sa 7.6.1961 Ra/Me 12.4.1964 Ra/Ke 31.10.1966 Ra/Ve 18.11.1967 Ra/Su 18.11.1970 Ra/Mo 13.10.1971 Ra/Ma 13.4.1973 Ju/Ju 1.5.1974 Ju/Sa 18.6.1976 Ju/Me 31.12.1978 Ju/Ke 7.4.1981 Ju/Ve 14.3.1982 Ju/Su 12.11.1984 Ju/Mo 31.8.1985 Ju/Ma 31.12.1986 Ju/Ra 7.12.1987 Sa/Sa 1.5.1990 Sa/Me 4.5.1993 Sa/Ke 12.1.1996 Sa/Ve 20.2.1997 Sa/Su 22.4.2000 Sa/Mo 4.4.2001 Sa/Ma 3.11.2002 Sa/Ra 13.12.2003 Sa/Ju 19.10.2006 Me/Me 1.5.2009 Me/Ke 28.9.2011 Me/Ve 24.9.2012 Me/Su 26.7.2015 Me/Mo 31.5.2016 Me/Ma 31.10.2017 Me/Ra 28.10.2018 Me/Ju 16.5.2021 Me/Sa 22.8.2023 Ke/Ke 1.5.2026 Ke/Ve 27.9.2026 Ke/Su 28.11.2027 Ke/Mo 3.4.2028 Ke/Ma 2.11.2028 Ke/Ra 1.4.2029 Ke/Ju 19.4.2030 Ke/Sa 26.3.2031 Ke/Me 4.5.2032 Ve/Ve 1.5.2033 Ve/Su 31.8.2036 Ve/Mo 31.8.2037 Ve/Ma 2.5.2039 Ve/Ra 1.7.2040 Ve/Ju 1.7.2043 Ve/Sa 1.3.2046 Ve/Me 1.5.2049 Ve/Ke 1.3.2052 Chart Notes: Barack Obama Aug 4, 1961 1:06 PM +10:00 HST Honolulu , HI : USA Longitude: 157W52 Latitude: 21N18 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:19 Current Period: JU/VE/ME Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 24:10 Lib Vishakha Ju Sun 18:58 Can +00:57:28 WK Aslesha Me Moon 06:41 Tau +12:45:54 WK Krittika Su Mars 29:05 Leo +00:37:23 WK U.Phalguni Su Merc 08:29 Can +01:59:50 FM Pushya Sa JuptR 07:34 Cap -00:07:28 WK U.Shadya Su Ven 08:10 Gem +01:08:00 ST Ardra Ra Sat R 02:01 Cap -00:04:07 WK U.Shadya Su Rahu 03:58 Leo -00:01:04 FM Magha Ke Ketu 03:58 Aqu -00:01:04 FM Dhanishtha Ma True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 4 beats Day: Friday Sunrise : 6:08 AM Tithi: Krishna Navami Yoga Pt: 28:59 Sc Yogi:Me AviYogi:Ma Dup Yogi: Ma Dagha Rashis: Leo Sco Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Moon Bad Placement, Bright, Mars Good Placement, In Old Age: 81%, Weak Dispositor, Mercury Good Placement, Combust 28%, Weak Dispositor, Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated, Conjunct or Aspected by FM: Me , Venus Good Placement, Saturn Good Placement, In Infancy: 59%, Rahu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 8 * * 6 ** *9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * RA 03:58* * * 7 AS 24:10 * 5 MA 29:05* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** SAR02:01 * * ME 08:29 ** *10 JUR07:34 * 4 SU 18:58 * ** * * ** *11* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *KE 03:58 * 1 * 3 VE 08:10* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * MO 06:41 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 12 * * 2 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 3 * * 1 ** *4 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * AS * * MO * * * 2 RA * 12 JUR * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *5 * 11 * ** * * ** *6 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *ME * 8 KE * 10 SAR * * * * * * * * * * SU * * * * * * MA * * * * * * VE * * * * * * * * ** 7 * * 9 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Su/Me 17.11.1960 Su/Ke 23.9.1961 Su/Ve 29.1.1962 Mo/Mo 30.1.1963 Mo/Ma 30.11.1963 Mo/Ra 30.6.1964 Mo/Ju 30.12.1965 Mo/Sa 1.5.1967 Mo/Me 29.11.1968 Mo/Ke 1.5.1970 Mo/Ve 30.11.1970 Mo/Su 30.7.1972 Ma/Ma 29.1.1973 Ma/Ra 27.6.1973 Ma/Ju 16.7.1974 Ma/Sa 22.6.1975 Ma/Me 30.7.1976 Ma/Ke 28.7.1977 Ma/Ve 24.12.1977 Ma/Su 23.2.1979 Ma/Mo 1.7.1979 Ra/Ra 30.1.1980 Ra/Ju 12.10.1982 Ra/Sa 7.3.1985 Ra/Me 11.1.1988 Ra/Ke 31.7.1990 Ra/Ve 18.8.1991 Ra/Su 18.8.1994 Ra/Mo 13.7.1995 Ra/Ma 11.1.1997 Ju/Ju 29.1.1998 Ju/Sa 18.3.2000 Ju/Me 30.9.2002 Ju/Ke 5.1.2005 Ju/Ve 12.12.2005 Ju/Su 12.8.2008 Ju/Mo 31.5.2009 Ju/Ma 30.9.2010 Ju/Ra 6.9.2011 Sa/Sa 29.1.2014 Sa/Me 1.2.2017 Sa/Ke 12.10.2019 Sa/Ve 20.11.2020 Sa/Su 21.1.2024 Sa/Mo 2.1.2025 Sa/Ma 3.8.2026 Sa/Ra 12.9.2027 Sa/Ju 19.7.2030 Me/Me 29.1.2033 Me/Ke 28.6.2035 Me/Ve 24.6.2036 Me/Su 25.4.2039 Me/Mo 29.2.2040 Me/Ma 31.7.2041 Me/Ra 28.7.2042 Me/Ju 13.2.2045 Me/Sa 22.5.2047 Ke/Ke 29.1.2050 Ke/Ve 27.6.2050 Ke/Su 28.8.2051 Ke/Mo 2.1.2052 Ke/Ma 2.8.2052 Ke/Ra 30.12.2052 Ke/Ju 17.1.2054 Ke/Sa 24.12.2054 Ke/Me 2.2.2056 Ve/Ve 29.1.2057 Ve/Su 31.5.2060 Ve/Mo 31.5.2061 Ve/Ma 30.1.2063 Ve/Ra 31.3.2064 Ve/Ju 31.3.2067 Ve/Sa 29.11.2069 Ve/Me 29.1.2073 Ve/Ke 30.11.2075 Chart Notes: Hillary Clinton Oct 26, 1947 8:00 PM +06:00 CST Chicago , IL : USA Longitude: 87W39 Latitude: 41N51 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:07 Current Period: SU/RA/JU Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 06:41 Gem Ardra Ra Sun 09:40 Lib +00:59:51 WK Swati Ra Moon 06:03 Pis +12:46:40 ST U.Bhadra Sa Mars 21:08 Can +00:30:49 WK Aslesha Me MercR 28:11 Lib -00:11:12 WK Vishakha Ju Jupt 07:29 Sco +00:12:34 WK Anuradha Sa Ven 23:43 Lib +01:14:51 ST Vishakha Ju Sat 28:12 Can +00:04:01 WK Aslesha Me Rahu 00:24 Tau -00:03:14 FM Krittika Su Ketu 00:24 Sco -00:03:14 FM Vishakha Ju True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 125 beats Day: Sunday Sunrise : 6:16 AM Tithi: Shukla Trayodashi Yoga Pt: 19:03 Sg Yogi:Ve AviYogi:Ju Dup Yogi: Ju Dagha Rashis: Tau Leo Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Debilitated, Moon Good Placement, Bright, Mars Good Placement, Debilitated, Mercury Good Placement, In Old Age: 63%, Jupiter Bad Placement, Venus Good Placement, Saturn Good Placement, In Old Age: 64%, Rahu Bad Placement, Ketu Bad Placement, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 4 * * 2 ** *5 * * * * * * * * * * * * * MA 21:08 * * * * * SA 28:12* RA 00:24* * * * * * * * * * 3 AS 06:41 * 1 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *6 * 12 MO 06:03 * ** * * ** *7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *SU 09:40 * * * * * *VE 23:43 * 9 * 11 * *MER28:11 * * * * * * KE 00:24* * * * * * JU 07:29 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 8 * * 10 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 10 * * 8 ** *11* * * * * * * * * * * * * MA * * * * * RA * * * * * * * AS * * * * * 9 SU * 7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *12 SA * 6 JU * ** * * ** *1 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 3 MER * 5 MO * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * VE * * KE * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 2 * * 4 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis ======================== Sa/Me 11.12.1946 Sa/Ke 20.8.1949 Sa/Ve 29.9.1950 Sa/Su 28.11.1953 Sa/Mo 10.11.1954 Sa/Ma 11.6.1956 Sa/Ra 20.7.1957 Sa/Ju 26.5.1960 Me/Me 8.12.1962 Me/Ke 5.5.1965 Me/Ve 3.5.1966 Me/Su 2.3.1969 Me/Mo 7.1.1970 Me/Ma 8.6.1971 Me/Ra 5.6.1972 Me/Ju 23.12.1974 Me/Sa 30.3.1977 Ke/Ke 8.12.1979 Ke/Ve 5.5.1980 Ke/Su 5.7.1981 Ke/Mo 10.11.1981 Ke/Ma 11.6.1982 Ke/Ra 7.11.1982 Ke/Ju 26.11.1983 Ke/Sa 1.11.1984 Ke/Me 11.12.1985 Ve/Ve 8.12.1986 Ve/Su 8.4.1990 Ve/Mo 9.4.1991 Ve/Ma 7.12.1992 Ve/Ra 6.2.1994 Ve/Ju 6.2.1997 Ve/Sa 8.10.1999 Ve/Me 8.12.2002 Ve/Ke 8.10.2005 Su/Su 8.12.2006 Su/Mo 27.3.2007 Su/Ma 26.9.2007 Su/Ra 1.2.2008 Su/Ju 26.12.2008 Su/Sa 14.10.2009 Su/Me 26.9.2010 Su/Ke 2.8.2011 Su/Ve 8.12.2011 Mo/Mo 7.12.2012 Mo/Ma 8.10.2013 Mo/Ra 9.5.2014 Mo/Ju 8.11.2015 Mo/Sa 9.3.2017 Mo/Me 8.10.2018 Mo/Ke 8.3.2020 Mo/Ve 7.10.2020 Mo/Su 8.6.2022 Ma/Ma 8.12.2022 Ma/Ra 6.5.2023 Ma/Ju 23.5.2024 Ma/Sa 29.4.2025 Ma/Me 8.6.2026 Ma/Ke 5.6.2027 Ma/Ve 1.11.2027 Ma/Su 1.1.2029 Ma/Mo 8.5.2029 Ra/Ra 8.12.2029 Ra/Ju 20.8.2032 Ra/Sa 13.1.2035 Ra/Me 19.11.2037 Ra/Ke 8.6.2040 Ra/Ve 26.6.2041 Ra/Su 26.6.2044 Ra/Mo 21.5.2045 Ra/Ma 19.11.2046 Ju/Ju 8.12.2047 Ju/Sa 25.1.2050 Ju/Me 8.8.2052 Ju/Ke 13.11.2054 Ju/Ve 20.10.2055 Ju/Su 20.6.2058 Ju/Mo 9.4.2059 Ju/Ma 8.8.2060 Ju/Ra 14.7.2061 Chart Notes: You rock. 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